The Frank Skinner Show - Pass the Grapes

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

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Falling in love with love is playing the fool. Okay, this is a Frank off the radio. And I've got a piece of paper somewhere. There it is. I'm joined by Sarah Barron and Finley Christie again. Great to have them back. That wasn't ironic. It felt real.

Yeah, good. Follow the podcast. On X and Instagram, you can email the podcast via Frank Offder Radio at Avalonuk.com. Uh, WhatsApp. I say what's up? Is that the same button? Let me hear you say, what's up? Yeah.

Wow. Wow. Wow. So anyway, that's safe. So vulnerable. So, yeah. It's really vulnerable. So I was interviewed by your husband this week, Sarah.

I think you guys had, it's not for me to say, but I think that we're close enough that you will push back if you feel I'm about to misrepresent something. Okay. I think you and him had a breakthrough. Well, I, basically, I was doing an interview, Finley, just plug in this improvised show that my stand-up show ceases to be a stand-up show. and becomes an improv show with two other comedians. Yeah, I actually saw myself, I booked a ticket for that and then I saw a poster for it and realized my name was on it. So you're doing it?

Yeah. Great. And you've bought a ticket. Well, yeah. Let's hope it's not the same. No, imagine. We'll refund you. So just tell them, use my name.

Oh, that's great. You're doing it. Yeah. Are you doing it, Sarah? I think you've gone before it starts. That was a real fast save there, Frank. Don't you think? No.

I think you were asked. We should discuss this because I think, I mean, should we, I think I was asked to trial it. Oh. And I really actually don't have much of an ego on me with a lot of things. That's not quite how I roll. We didn't trial it. Then maybe I was. But you said absolutely not.

No, I thought I was being, I thought that I was asked on the wrong day. I thought. You were asked on the wrong day. Oh, God, is this a woman's problem? No, no, no. No, no. She has Christ. Yeah, you know what, it fucking is a woman's problem.

I knew it. Okay. I thought I was being at, you know, like sometimes if you're asked in the right day, you're like, sure. I thought I was being asked, in fact, I thought I was being asked to work for free. You get asked on the right day and then the day that you're supposed to be doing it is the wrong day. That's the wrong day. So I, anyway, let's, we'll shove that for the moment. But no, I'm not doing it.

Can I say that there was no trialing. We didn't do a trial. with just the shows everyone was paid. So if you were asked, perhaps there was a miscommunication between me and my representation. We'll edit this out. We'll edit this out.

No, don't edit this out. Don't edit this out. We'll edit this out. Nothing is edited out of this show. Oh, shh. It's fine. Maybe it was our fault. I don't know how long we should dwell on this.

No, no, no, we should move on. So anyway, I forgot. Oh, yes. You're promoing this and you do an interview with my other half. So, so you probably know Finley that Jeff Lloyd, a Virgin Radio, is Sarah's husband. Finley and I don't know each other, really.

I understand, I know 5% of the names of people that you say. Okay, fair. That's reasonable. Yeah. Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm forgetting almost all of them. So soon we'll be leveling out. My conversations with people are like, you know, when you see political prisoners' letters and they're blocked out, that's what.

conversations so like. Redacted. Yeah. In the, what's that? The KGB have been through your stories. They've been through my memory.

Yeah. And they've done a great job. So I got interviewed by Jeff Lloyd. And who was, I should say then as a bit of background as was like, did the radio one breakfast show and all, he was like a, he's a big radio guy.

This is your husband? My husband. Okay. Jack Lloyd. And I've met him. several times. From McElwold. You've been listening.

And so we did the inter... When I got in there, he was in one of these really sort of cool hotels where there was like weird sculptures and stuff. I liked it. But the room he was in, what I can only describe... You're all right, Finney. You look like you're joking. I put a grape in my mouth and then I thought,

why have I done that? Because it's going to be on... Yeah. Are you going to be able to hear it? Is it... So I was chewing off mic. No, it's like, it physically, if I may, it was one of the most dramatic things I've ever seen someone do during a podcast record. It was so over the top in terms of my movement, but now I understand he was trying to spare people from listening to chewing.

I felt it should have been a podcast on ancient Rome. I felt if Mary Beard had put that grape into your mouth, that would have been perfect. Now, I know who that is weird. There you go. But that was a weird. Yeah, somehow. But we've gotten through the grape. You're through the grape now.

to the other side. There's still, you know, when you eat a grape, the skin gets stuck in your teeth. We're dealing with that. Oh, it's such a faff, a grape. You can see why the ruler's had them peeled. Yeah. Yeah.

It's such a fath. A grape. It is. It is. I don't bother with them normally. And then once you get inside, you're waiting for the stranger. You know what I mean?

It could be around any corner. So, um, I, uh, So I arrived at this cool hotel. I went into this room. Jeff was sitting there with a couple of radio associates. In a room which looked like a red velvet amphitheater, continuing the Roman theme, it was stacked cushions.

And of course, my first thought was, I want to sit right at the top there. So we literally climbed this stack of red things. Our heads were touching the ceiling. And we sat at the top and did this interview. So we did the interview. It was good. It was interesting questions.

I'm not saying I, there's one I didn't understand, so I answered a different question. And then he asked it again, and I thought, I'm going to have to go deep here. Okay. But it was good. It was a really good, different question. He didn't ask me, get this,

he didn't ask me whether woe could stop people from doing stand-up comedy. I wouldn't be married to him if he would ask you that question. You'd beat that out of it. Yeah, exactly. I don't slum it. And then at the end, when we're still on air, we're still talking.

He says to me, it's odd, we've never really, there's always been somewhat strange between us, isn't that? And I've always thought, I immediately thought this is my kind of radio. And I said, yeah, but I aspire to awkwardness. And he said, no, but we've got mutual friends, we've got mutual interest, but there's always been summit that stopped us from really communicating. And I said, to me, it feels like a chiffon curtain between us.

So we can never, we can reach out, but we can't quite touch the surface. And we went quite deep on it. I don't know. I mean, I don't imagine. He played it for me. I think he was, if I'm allowed to say, I think he was really proud of it as a piece of radio because it was really good. But did it go out? Oh, I don't know.

But he felt like something that wouldn't go out. Oh, oh, if he has anything to say about it, it will go out because it was a great bit of radio. I love the idea of confronting someone for, you know, not confronting, but, you know, doing an interview with someone. And then suddenly being like, do you even, do you even like me? That's the main thing I wanted to ask. Yeah. And I think, you know. I said to him, I always assumed that you didn't like me.

He's always assumed that you don't like him. And he'll say, tale is oldest time, Finley. And he said, you know, what if you were coming up. Teal as old as time. True as it can be. He was going to interview Frank And Frank and I, if I, we've always gotten on, I think, quite easily. And, you know, Jeff, I'll say, oh, I'm going to do this.

And he'll say, and then he'll be like, well, that's because Frank likes you. Frank doesn't like me. And I'm like, I don't know that that's true. And I'll be like, Frank doesn't like me. Well, I know what he means. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think. But it's not not liking him.

You two can't find each other. Now I can't find him. You don't, he doesn't have the right techniques to come in with you. And you don't have the right techniques to come in with him. But actually, the seeming sort of facade of the mics, because you're both in different ways, you're both showmen. That allows the most honest versions of you both to agree each other. But he said this is probably the best conversation we've ever had.

And I said that that's because it's performance. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But also both of you, to both of your credits in your respective fields, you can sometimes bring the most honest version of yourselves to the performance, the way the good performers do. But we should. Two people who can have that conversation should get on, because most broadcasters wouldn't go anywhere near a conversation.

No, but that's what's always been so annoying about your two's inability to find each other in a certain way, because you both like all the same shit. But I have to say, now that you've actually sort of in some way been a bit more intimate with each other. I think it's only going to make things worse between you when we all try to go to dinner together one time. Because it'll feel like, it'll be like,

it'll be like, you fucked one night and now you have to like look at each other. That's what I was going to say. I think that's the logical conclusion. This tension keeps building up between you two. It can only go one way. Yeah. Well,

I've got a dual thing going on. I mean, in a velvet, you just keep described this sex dungeon that you did. It was almost sexual. It was almost sexual. It was, I'm picturing you two at the top of this amphitheat,

you know, surrounded by cushions. being like, well, you know, I just, I just, I don't think I went up there because I thought we don't get on that well in the real world. Let's go to the top of Mount Olympus. Well, let's keep going higher with him. Yeah. You know, see, see a different altitude. Does it, you know, if you, I don't know, go up Arthur's seat one day. Yeah.

It's, it's, uh, you're very. Can I say that's a local landmark? Yes. Do people not know that? Well, they might not know it. Never assume people know anything. And it's not, it's actually a, it's actually a big hill. Yeah.

People will think, oh, I bet that's a gay club. But it's, it's, it's, that's what people will think. That people will think that. That's where they usually begin. Yeah. Well, so you would be there with Jeff. They're both, yeah. They're both bottoms.

That's the problem. Well, I think we'd go there for it. Yeah. And then that, and that's the terrible thing is you, is you, that you would have sex. And then you'd go, well, that, it. didn't quite, there was something that didn't, and it's because you're both bottoms. No, I think I'm the top. Frank, keep telling yourself that.

You are, you are. I don't know, I haven't tried it yet, but I'm on about in the abstract. I'm abstract top. Abstract top. I don't know if you remember abstract top. There were a heavy metal band from the most fabulous. There's a great film about abstract top. You've got to see it.

There's probably gay comedians listening to this right now being like a kind of. I can't believe I'm not involved in this conversation about what Frank Skinner's gay sexual preferences would be. Yeah. They're screaming. My money is still abstract top. Abstract top. But I don't, you never know, do you? Once you've, you know, I didn't know I liked ice skate until about three years ago.

That's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, it was, it was like a cardiovascular workout. And I don't mean clambering up the cushion. I mean that conversation. It'd be a shame really if it doesn't pay off, but I know what you mean. No, they'll put it, they'll put that out.

And I think that you are at your best with a bit of a awkwardness. Yeah. And I think he's it like the way I think he's always needed to feel a little bit in charge. Not in charge, but do you know what I mean? Like if someone's afraid of, if you feel a little bit afraid of someone, which I do think he's always felt a little afraid of you, then if he feels it his most comfortable. if he can like arm himself with questions. That's his job.

And there'll be good questions and they'll be thoughtful. And I'll go, well, I might be afraid of Frank, but I'm going to really dazzle him with my questions because he's going to know they're good. I think in an attempt to prove that he wasn't afraid of me, one of the questions was, when you hear yourself described as a public intellectual, do you think that standards must have dropped?

Yeah, that's very him. That's very him. It doesn't sound like fear. Yeah. It sounds like contempt. It's a bit, it's a bit, it is,

of course it's, like, surely you've heard this phrase the bigger the front, the bigger the back. Like the more you perform fearlessness, the more afraid you are.

That's what the fearlessy's giggling at that, the bigger the front, the bigger the back. You know what back? You know what back means? No, what does it mean? To work to our generation.

What does it mean? Means arse. Oh. Oh, does it? Okay. Yeah, well, as a top, of course. Abstract.

That's my. target. Yeah. Abstract top, yeah. Like a Jackson Pollock in here. Abstract back is quite hard to say. The bigger. So you're thinking like the bigger the boobs, the bigger the butt. Disgusting pigs. Oh, how did we get here? It's thank God we're not recording this in Notre Dame. It's so funny that Finley sat here as like the translator between us and the young men. I love that now. I love that. I like, I was, I've been really delving into ick moments just like this. Oh, brilliant. Tell me more.

You'll love this. I don't think so, man. Because I, I had my own name for these things because I've had so many of them. And that is when you're dating or not even, you're beginning to date someone and something happens. They do or say something and you think this can never, I need to get out of this immediately. And for me, I need to get out of this immediately. For me, I finished with a woman because she didn't know George Galloway was. So you never know what the it moment is going to be.

And I was calling them flash frames. Do you know you have flash frames on television? It's an illegal thing and people would put up a subliminal message. It was like that. It just flashed and I thought, oh, no, that was it. But I like the it moment. So I've, a woman, a young woman in the audience, the ick thing to me and since I've just been remembering loads of all these things where you

thought I can't be dealing with this yeah yeah I once got icked out because um uh you know when you sort of ask for the you you want to get the waiter's attention yeah and you sort of raise your hand but you can't but you can't do it too high if you put her hand all the way up and you're like no oh I know someone who split with a bloke because when he got into bed he used to put his hands together and do a sort of mock diving into water that's terrible And I think that's great. Somebody ditched me, I found out, because I use a handkerchief. Yep, my husband uses a handkerchief and I hate it about him.

But I, you know, I didn't even get a chance to defend myself. There's certain cultures where the idea of sneezing into something and putting it back in your pocket. Yeah. No, I use it mainly to say farewell to seafarers. It's a tool. Yeah. Yeah. Your summer travels deserve an upgrade.

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At Real Canadian Superstore, when you're ready, we're ready with a whole world and more. But yeah, it was a very interesting interview. Yeah, God, I've tried. That's what's so interesting now to think about it is more like, oh, I wonder what all the things were that I did that were ick for others. Oh, I see. That's more where my brain would go now. I can have a guess. I'm joking. Siddly. I didn't know you want to make that joke.

Let's hear those guesses. No, no. What is it? Do I seem like I'm trying too hard? No, no, no, no. You know, the first time I met... Give it to me, I can take it. I'd like to hear.

The first time I met you, sir, you was so nice to me. Uh-huh. You were so unbelievably nice. I was so new and fresh in comedy. And I was sweet. And you were so sweet. But it feels like there's a big, fat butt coming here, man.

Now I'm being nice and reassuring. Just nice, right? A big fan back. I'm evading. your earlier question. I just, I would, I think that I'm, you know, your skin gets thick as a comic and I think no it doesn't. Oh, I think my skin is virtually.

I have no, I have no skin. I have, my nerves are now. They're just out. They're just out. Yeah, I think I'm nice, right? You were so nice. You said, I was, I was, I was very, you asked me where I was from in London. And I was worried to tell you.

because I thought you'd think I was this, I was, you know, I thought you'd think I was this young, posh, cun comic who had just, I'd been loved too much as a child and now was like on stage. And I told you where, you know, in this nice area of Islington where I lived, and you went, you know, I always walk past that street and I always think, you know, I hope the people that live in those houses are nice people. And now I've met you when I'm so relieved that they are. That's good.

That's a good. That's a good thing. So sweet. Yeah, that's true. You are nice. And it's funny because I forgot how nice you were. And I've been like, oh, it's nice to be around Finley today because he's actually like, you're really sweet.

Don't you think, no, you know, is this making you uncomfortable? This is, I'm doing the ick right now. No. I'm doing it in real time. As you say. I can feel that it's happening. These little shits are laughing at me. As you say, awkwardness is my natural environment.

I interviewed Pamela Anderson for the second time. When? And she couldn't remember me interviewing it at the first time. And then halfway through the second interview, she said, oh, hold on now I do, I do remember it now. I remember the awkwardness. Wow. But do you not think sometimes like awkwardness is just a decent conversation? Like in other words, like when you're talking about like the awkwardness of you and Jeff or whatever,

it's like I get that it's awkward, but really what it is is like a genuine chat in an environment where what you're sort of expecting is something quite like. I think it would have been an awkward. I think I would have found it. more awkward if it wasn't awkward if it wasn't on air well yeah sure i'm happy on it on air yeah same i know what you mean yeah many years ago a comedian called rory motion oh jesus that's good that's more like drag queen than comic uh well he was very much not that he was very he gave me i remember as a gift autobiography of a yogi uh-huh and he said to me i worry about you you seem more at

on stage than you are off state. And I thought great. Yeah, that's, I know someone who will remain nameless. They're a writer. And they're nameless. Yeah, they're going to be nameless for the purposes of this anecdote, Frank. And this person is so talented as a writer. Holy, holy crap. So emotionally astute, so sensitive, so empathic. You meet them in person. They're an absolute asshole, I think. I'm glad this is on my podcast, or 90% of the people would have assumed this was me. No, they wouldn't have. No, they think he's not that good a writer. You're a great writer, Frank.

What we're not getting anyway. You haven't told us anything about your edit. I don't ever know why you're here. Why are you here? Okay, first of all, can we just take a beat? And I like that we're getting more intimate as friends, but a lot of this has been, Finley, Finley, Finley, what's it like to be the hot thing? It's so nice to be here with the hot young thing.

Sarah, what the fuck are you even doing at this festival? That's because you don't think asks me a question and then you answer it. I'm sorry. Is that with the ick thing then, Finley? That's the trouble with it, isn't it? Women talking over men. Have I talked over you a lot? No.

It was irony. I can... I'm calling it satire. What about that? Call it satire. I'm here because Jeff is here for work. Which, let me tell you something. I'm going to have another grape.

I'm fucking happy. Don't do it. You know what happened last time? No, I think it's a sign of him relaxing. I think that's good. Here's what I'd like to talk about. Finley's crouched again as he choose. Yeah.

We traveled up. ISM all. Yeah, that's very appealing. We travel up and we upgrade, which is the only time I ever upgrade to first class on a train is if I'm coming to Edinburgh during the fringe because you need the extra space for your suitcase. Okay.

So we're in the first class train carriage. And it's packed. There's not a free seat on there. So it's all these people with money who have paid to be where they are so they can have a little bit of extra space, not getting the space that they thought they were going to get. So these people are at these four tops. Anyone who's coming to Edinburgh for space? Yeah, I know. As mistaken what you get here.

Totally. Yeah. But what I, it's like one of my favorite privilege to parts of the fringe is coming up in a first class train carriage and looking at rich people who are getting angry because there's a stranger sat next to them. And they're kind of, and you're going, oh, I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm actually booked in to 16B. And you can see this sort of twitch as they have to accommodate to have some peasant

closer to them than they were ready for. You're describing like me. Yeah. Do you know what's interesting? So you're posh, but because... It's good we're getting both sides of the story here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get another perspective.

I'm fuming on the way up that there's anyone near. You know people talk about private jets. Yeah, you need one of those. If I can have a private train. I'm not fussed about the idea of a private jet. It doesn't appeal to me, but... Yeah, yeah. Have you considered a car?

It doesn't have quite the same. appeal to me. Okay. Why? Because you want someone to drive. You want privacy and you want to be checked out. Driverless car. It's nearly here. No, I'm not getting one of those for like 20 years. No, I really understand the appeal of that. Because it wouldn't need, I think I think you think about driverless car, it wouldn't need to be laid out like a normal car. You wouldn't need a wheel or anything. Yeah. Well, it would need, it would need wheels.

Do you mean a steering wheel? If you're dreaming of a hover, it's a one. It's a one. It's a wheel. It's a No, yes, you wouldn't need a steering wheel. You wouldn't need, I'd strip it out in the middle and have a bed. Oh, yeah. But you wouldn't, the problem with a driverless car or any car in comparison to a train. I'm thinking of that now, of course, through the context of being an abstract top. I think your next show might be called abstract top.

What's doing on the M4 with Jeff Lloyd? Abstract top. As clowns. He's really changed. he started doing his new clowning act. He really is. And since he saw baby spaghetti. Oh my God.

Wait, what was it called Lady Bolanese? Yes. Fine. Don't ask me memory questions. No, no, no. No, no. That's just cruel. But you got to, anyway, so that's been the best thing that's happened to me is I like

watching people. Like, I will put my bag down in a seat and be like, I know this is bad behavior. But the way that I can justify this is that the second someone comes on and goes, sorry, is this take, sorry, can I sit here? I go, oh my God, of course, I'm so, like, I'm such a piece of trash that I even thought to put my bag on the seat. I never put my bag on the seat. Well, you got to start. No, I don't like people who do.

Well, I've got to tell you that. That's fair, but I do it. And the way that I justify that is by acting like I'm a real asshole the second someone asks for the seat. That way, I hopefully keep the seat to myself. Yeah. But I behave as though I'm a bad person for having done it in the first place. And I got it on the way up here was, you know, in the single seat on a train. That was what I accidentally booked.

And that was like a gift. Were you on the right side of the train? So you got the view of the water? I didn't care about that. I think I was on the right side of the train. And it's a beautiful view. But the best view was the fact there was no one next to me. I would rather sit.

You know those seats in the vestibule? Yeah. I would rather sit in one of those. And it feels like my own private. apartment than sit next to someone. Well, I went on trains in the 90s, in the 80s probably, when I drank perno on trains that were running before 9 a.m. And I never had this problem with people sitting close to me.

It can be packed and I'd have four seats to myself because people are very menaced. I don't know if it's the aniseed. It's a strong smell. It is, yeah. Dogs love it, apparently. Really? Anna seed is a big thing that's how they train

hunting dogs and stuff just saying it's great great detail there yeah what do you think about this for an idea for a podcast Frank please please please

can we have a bonus podcast series of Emily emily is who I normally do this show with Emily listening and responding to the Edinburgh based episodes my enjoyment of three strangers on a train I think that was the last episode

was emphasized by imagining her reaction at various moments that's from Stuart Wilson I nearly read some praise at him but I... You redacted at the last moment but it's an interesting idea that is because I've left my regular team

behind me in London it would be good wouldn't it if they were would it be good if they did a Like a director's commentary. Well, Sarah and Jeff did a big, a very successful succession podcast, which was talking about those episodes. It'd be the similar thing, wouldn't it? But with more, it'd be more personal interest.

I think it might come across quite sad. Yeah. Like a conversation that you... Say that like it's a bad thing. No, maybe it'd be sort of interesting in a bleak way. But certainly, if it's certainly, I was like, you know, reacting to a conversation that I could have been part of, but I didn't, you know, I wasn't there. And I'm like, oh, I probably, I probably would have said this there.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's too much pressure. And Matt's suggesting that Emily can't handle pressure. Of course she can. I think it's too much pressure on her. Let her be free. Let her be free. I think she's, for these few weeks. I'm not, she can have Costco as well, the other, our other regular. The two women talking about, you know, the idea of of me being a bottom or a top. I think there's got, that's like my list. Maybe that would be fun for her. I think, I think if there's going to be any kind of reaction episode,

I mean, could Jeff send us a recording of that interview? Oh, that's good. And then we just put that out. I don't think Virgin Radio would stand for that. No, probably not. Yeah. It was at the Virgin Hotel as well. It's all so branded.

So Virgin. So Virgin. I mean, it's nice, though. It's a nice, though. Nice place. Yeah, I'm Catholic. I'm into the whole virgin concept. Don't get me wrong.

I did other radio. I did, um, heart. Have you done that? It's on a boss in Bristow Square here in Edinburgh. It's on that interview. You're doing all the press, Frank. Yeah, I'm selling the improvised show. The, uh, the, um, I don't want people to come anymore to them, to the work in progress.

Come on, Frank. I'd rather do it into a desolate void. Do you want to use some of it? depressing but like not on i mean i course yeah you do right a friend of mine recently was like the the let's say the star

of a huge amount of press like the dream the spread the picks the thing would you like to know how many tickets it sold for this person how many? Zero was it Prince Andrew

it was Prince Andrew I knew it I knew it It didn't necessarily equal box office. I remember thinking that at the time. Anyway, just a little piece of information for all of us. How can that work? Because that's how much influence these things have now.

That's reassuring to hear that. Isn't it? Now, there were like other off air, I'll tell you the backstory, and there's like other positive things that happened off the back of it. But in terms of moving tickets to the thing. And also the piece went viral. Like it was a whole situation. It moved zero tickets.

And I just think that like, if we're all running around being like, and I'm going to do this and I'm doing to this because I'm moving tickets for this, it's like, was it like a cancellation? Did they say something terrible and that killed off? No, it wasn't like that. The trick is if you really want press,

if you really want to sell out your run, what you do is go to Italy, murder one of your close friends. Get arrested for it, then get off. then come to the, now, I mean, I think I have to say that the law said that she did at this. Oh, yeah, she didn't.

She didn't do it. Can I just put that up front? You want to hear what I heard? Yeah. Let's just like delve into the gossip. Now, you're lonely. You need this. We should explain what we're talking about.

Okay, you explain what we're talking about. Amanda Knox was an American woman who you will remember was accused of killing her college friend and was then, I believe, I'm not guilty. Yeah. Yeah. She's doing a stand-up show talking about that episode in her life. Yeah. I remember a moment on Matthew Wright's daytime show when they had a texting, Foxy Noxie, would you or wouldn't you?

Right? We deal with murder differently nowadays, I think. You would. No one. She's very pretty. Yeah. Well, I don't know if I'm, I don't know. Maybe at her flat where I know killing me would be.

more inconvenient. But I'm not at mine. No, anyway, anyway, just carry on. Well, I was just going to say some people who's, this means nothing to any of you, but if you seem like you might respect my taste, these are people whose tastes I really respect. And they went to the show. Okay.

And they said, you ready? I'm ready. You ready, man? Yeah. They said it was excellent. Really? Wow. Wow.

They said it was excellent as a piece of performance and theater. And that it was just incredibly good. You know, I'm trying to work out whether I'm surprised by that or not. It's such a good story. I think I am surprised. Is it funny, though? No, I don't, I don't know that it's. It's stand-up.

It's built a stand-up. I know stand-up doesn't have to be funny all the way through. No, no, no. But I think, I don't know that it's like, no, no, you don't get it. This is a stand-up. I don't think that's the point. I think that their point was as a performer, she is astonishingly good. That's slightly worrying about the verdict.

That's what you really need to know. She's a great, convincing performer. Oh, wow. But I thought that was really, really interesting. Like, you know, I like talking about, you know, there's a million ways that you can dissect a stand-up performance and you can go, oh, the writing this or oh, the performance, this, and so you'd think, well, but surely she's not a performer. Like, and surely that's going to be uncomfortable to watch. And therefore was like, no, she's really good at that.

I suspect that the big plus of that show is the thing that Buffalo Bill picked up on in the turn of the century is that if you're recreating Wild West battles and you actually have sitting bull. you actually have, are people, even if they're not performers, that's them. That's the actual person. And that's what he did. He hired the real people. And this is Amanda Knox, the person who was on the news every day and was called Foxy Knoxie and all that stuff. And there she is. So already, I think that gives a 50% of just being there. So now you're completely contradicting what you said earlier about people coming to see you.

Which was what? Earlier you were like, well, people come to see me. The expectation's too high because they know. But now you're saying, oh, just to see that person in the room is a great thing. I don't think the expectation is too high. It's great. I'm great. I'm not denying that.

Yeah. I just take the wrong people come. It's like if people came to the Amanda Knox show who were anti-murder. Yeah. Yeah. They're not the right people. Bro, you need a pro-murder crowd. You need the true crime people.

Yeah. Pro murder. Yeah. They're what you can rely on then. Look, it's been really great having you two on. Thank you so much for doing these last two shows. Can I say that the, do you want to plot? You don't need to plug your show, do you, Finley, because it's sold out.

I'd love to plug my, what was, hang on, something's going on. What happened? No, it's just, it's the whole, like, Finley. What I'm coming to you? No, I don't have any. to plug. I just want to say I'm really sorry if I talked over you, but I think it's because I'm intimidated. Go to, go to, go to Sarah first. She needs this. But Tara doesn't have a show for me to plug. But she'll be doing things in the few years. Your show shot. You're doing one show and it's

old out. Is that right? No. I, I just want to apologize to Finley if I talked over you. It's because I'm insecure about the success that you didn't talk. You didn't talk over me at all that you're having and feeling small around you because I'm old and no, no, no. The boys in the room where you're You're laughing, they're laughing at me right now because they love you so much and they think I'm a pathetic piece of shirt. Thank you. Thank you, Frank. I mean, what, this is like the ascent of man this podcast. Yeah, it is.

The evolution graph. Yeah, exactly. Finley, are you entirely sold out? No, I'm not at all. No, I've got plenty of tickets left the rest of the run. And my tour is in October. Oh, well, go on. Plug away.

Yes, champagne cast and no. I feel bad now doing it. Go on. Come on. Champagne cast and over. Can you stop talking over me, sir. I've got the rest of the fringe run, plenty of tickets left, and the tour starts in October.

It's called Champagne Castanova. It's about me getting robbed in New Orleans and all sorts of other stuff. Wow, that sounds great. Sarah, anything you want to... There's a honey trap. Anything you... Oh, was it? Yeah, yeah.

Top or bottom? Sarah, do you want to plug something? Hey? I'm glad I didn't say that to Finland. That's my big new guy chat upline. Do you want to plug something? That's great. I was slow on the pickup of that one.

You know, people can follow me on social media. I'm trying to participate on it now. It's Sarah spelled Sarah Barron with two hours and a million after it, which is just an absolute marketing nightmare. Do you still do the podcast where you analyze television? No. Okay. Jeff and I can't work together anymore.

It was really bad for our relationship. Yeah, I don't think I could work with my wife regularly. It's not good for us. No. We're still together. And also, Jeff, so fucking difficult to get on. Anyway, look, the next episode of Frank Skinner's radio days is out on Wednesday. We're still in 2014, and I'm going for a run.

Well, I've bought some running gear. Plus, I'm learning to read music. That never happened, can I just say? All the running, how terrible, our broken hopes and aspirations. Again, thank you, guys. It's been. pleasure. Thank you.

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