The Frank Skinner Show - This is all very well...

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

On today's podcast there's some Strictly chat including a case of mistaken identity, a discussion around podcast themes and Frank reveals the details of a recent coffee morning. Brace yourselves readers! Contact the podcast on X and Instagram and you can email [e-mail] Frank Off The Radio: The Frank Skinner Podcast is an Avalon Production Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's Frank off the radio featuring him and that posh lady-o and the one with the French name from South Africa came, they're all here open brackets array, close brackets today. Hello, this is Frank off the radio. I'm joined by Emily Dean and Pierre Novelli. Follow the podcast on X and Instagram. You can email the podcast via Frank off the radio at AvalonUK.com and relax. So I came in on the bus today. As is your right. Yeah and a man got, because we don't get cars on the podcasts, we have not got the golden age. I love the fact that you reveal all this information.

Well, I think, you know, get it out there. And a bloke walked past me and he put his hand on my shoulder and said, funny comedian. And I thought, I wonder if he's just walking around going, old age pensioner, man with very bad hair. I'm just doing that all day. He likes a man who likes to categorize. But anyway, when I got off, I said, I'll see you. And he said, I don't get talking about me on the television. And I thought, you are woefully out of time. You said I won't. Oh I had a

moment I've got to tell you I was I was in Malmesbury. You may have heard of it, a home of William of Malmesbury, the historian. The liar. Who famous, was he a liar? He's a bit of a fantasist. Is he a fake news historian? Yes. Okay. Well, what I liked about him is he described William the Conqueror as a man of extraordinary corpulence. A very early and Very early in elaborate fat-shaming. Anyway, so I was in Malmesbury and I went to Mass there and I was with Omar Khan. Omar Khan! Well wait, we've had a lot of correspondents which we'll get to about. Oh God, is it unacceptable?

Oh, we've gone early. And Steve Hall, who is my support act, because my previous support act went off to do his own tour. That's Pierre, by the way, just in case anyone was unaware. Anyway, not only did we go to mass, they came with me to mass, the two of them. Do you make them go to mass? I don't make them. No. They just come, I think, just to keep an eye on me. And lest I should pray against them.

You want security. Exactly. Yeah, what was he mumbling then about me? My heart! Anyway, we not only went to Mass, we did something I never did. Catholic churches often have coffee after in the church hall. Oh, you never told me that, Frank. I might come along. I love a coffee morning. Well, I don't go normally because she gets asked to do things. Anyway, Omar said, well, I was going to grab a coffee anyway. And I thought, okay, we'll go.

So I went in and I just sat and talked to the local Catholic villagers. And it was very nice. We sat around chatting. I had a tea and a biscuit. I didn't put anything in the cup. And then we've been chatting for a bit and I was surrounded. Money saving expert. Yeah, I was like Martin Lewis.

That's the sort of stuff Martin Lewis should come out with. Martin Lewis in his suit on Good Morning Britain saying, sneak into a church. Is that what it's called? Money saving expert of this week's guest, Keir Starmer. Just become Prime Minister, you can get your spectacles, suits, Arsenal tickets, a little trip there from right from the top. Anyway, we were sitting, it was lovely and I was enjoying it, it was very warm-hearted and I had, I was surrounded by about six villagers all chatting about their lives. Oh, not with pitchforks, but with coffee cups. And then eventually this woman said, anyway, this is all very well, but how are we going

to get you back on television? No! Oh, the pain of it. God, I mean, if that isn't the plot of one of those awful British Council films. I mean, I don't know what they're doing about that as we speak. That would be completely in the realm of like, calendar girls. Yeah, it would. That would be completely in the realm of like calendar girls. Yeah, it would wouldn't it? Hearty group of English Catholic villagers conspire to get you.

With Hugh Grant. Hugh Grant playing the Fided Star. Hugh Grant these days would be the evil BBC commissioner. Oh yeah. He's got to be sort of prayed into the grave. He's changed lanes a bit hasn't he? Yes, he's a naughty. He's embracing his evil side.

I'm here for it. It's much better I think. Oh, Frank side. Yes. I'm here for it. It's much better, I think. Oh, Frank, how do you... It was always there, I thought. Just off set. Even in person. Frank, how did you deal with the, how are we going to get you back on...

Well, how can you deal with it? I... Tip a chair. I overturned the trestle tables like Jesus in the temple. Now I just said, yes, well that would be very helpful if you could do that, but inside I was dying. What a thing to raise. How are we going to? It's a bit how do we solve a problem like Maria.

It is, but as I've said many times, it's one of the tremendous drawbacks of being seen as approachable. Anyway, that happened. And then I got in the, I don't know if we explain this fully on previous podcasts, but this studio that we record the podcast in is adjoined by perhaps the coolest cafe I've ever been in. And there was a lady sitting next to me when I sat down who had two jazz albums at her side. I mean, that's worth carrying if you want to, if anyone's questioning your core credentials. And then the waiter came over, he was polite, but not a smile on his face. And I thought, this is the trouble we call. Frank is out there right now.

No, I say he was very polite and helpful and very quick, but I wondered if he might be profoundly sad. I don't mean sad in the mod, I mean pathetic, I mean melancholy. So I asked the lady with the jazz albums, I said, you're cool. Do you smile? Is it all right for you to smile? And she said, I do, but a lot of people in this cafe don't because it's not that cool. And I said, and I think this is true, I said, when I came in last week, I think there was some alarm that I'd entered this

place. And I think it was like, you know when you've got a bit of food left over, people say, don't put it in the fridge when it's still warm or the general coldness will be diminished. That's what happened when I walked in the cafe. It's like you'd put a steaming bowl into the fridge. Yes, well I am a steaming bowl. You've been called that a few times. I have been called that, there's more to that description.

It's a podcast I know, but you know, let's not go too far. Oh Frank, when are we going to get you back on telly again? I know, I love to do Strictrictly that's the way forward I think. Well actually our readers have been getting in touch about Strictly, can we go to our readers? Oh of course yeah one of the reasons I was wary about doing a podcast apart from the obvious loss of personal dignity is that I really like when people just texted in in the old days on the radio show I felt like they were with us but I found that like that last time or I don't think I don't if

we did any readers last time that was my fault but but when we got it felt to be even though it's slightly a retrospective, I still felt their presence. Well, they're not holding back. No, good. So we have Peter getting in touch regarding Strictly and the email is entitled, we should say how people can get in touch with us by the way, it's Frank off the radio at AvalonUK.com. And I did, I did say that. I know, but you have to keep reminding them. Okay.

This is from Peter. Welcome back, Frank, Emily and Pierre. Frank, in this show's previous incarnation, you used to say, I don't want to remind you of this but he's right, you didn't like seeing Wyn Evans who plays the Go Compare Man being his real self. No. Knowing you're a Strictly viewer, how are you coping, I love the idea of you somehow struggling to cope, seeing Wyn Evans as a contestant on the current series? Well my problem with the adverts is that what they did was he was in those adverts the go compare man. And then he was confronted by Wyn Evans, the person who plays. I felt it was too meta. They turned into a sort of baroque storyline.

It went a bit meerkat didn't it? I thought it was okay. It was like a Brecht play. Constantly being challenged the walls of reality. It's a theatre of alienation. I forgot why we were there. You have to compare the Go Compare man with his true self. And I didn't like it. And he seemed like a dour and uncolourful character compared to this cartoon opera singer.

But I find that Wyn Evans on Strictly has brought both to the table, but in his own self. And he is, I think it's fair to say, a man of extraordinary corpulence. But I do think it's a bit... He started saying that. Have you noticed? Has he? He started saying, I'm a man of extraordinary corpulence.

No, he'll refer to his weight a lot. He really did. Yeah. Because I thought Claudia was a bit... I don't know how to handle this because he said something like, I'm a fat man, you know, and she was going, oh my God, what am I supposed to do? Say, no, you aren't. No.

She said, oh my God. You are not like that. Claudia! She said, Omar can't. You are not like them. I'm glad you probably think I'm a fat man. Yeah. What I, Lissy Darby by the way has also got in touch. I really feel sorry for Tess by the way. You know Tess has got this thing where a lot of the talking she has to do is over quite load of applause and cheering. And I'm saying to

Kath that I'm watching it with, we can't even hear it because she can hear this, going on in the, and you can't hear any of it. And I'm thinking, can we not just have a little carved out area where she can speak to us. I have to tell you, read this strictly, I never thought I'd say this, Pete Wicks is really growing on me. Yeah I think he's growing on Jovita. Aye! Aye! Oh my god. Anyway. I'm going to double check who Pete Wicks is. Pete Wicks is Joe Wicks' brother. He's a very, very... No, he's not.

Isn't he? No, he's not remotely related to Joe Wicks. Oh, I thought he was Joe Wicks. I've been saying that for weeks. No wonder he's fit, I've been saying. Gets it all free onto the counter. Why did you assume they were brothers? Perhaps they look alike.

It's called Wicks. I'm sure... You absolutely should have known. No, you're not related to Lynyrd Skynyrd. Which one of you should say that? Uncle Lynyrd? Yeah. If he'd been related to Joe Wicks, they would have been an emotional bit where they interviewed him.

Maybe they don't get on. I was always in the shadow of the jumping jacks. Yeah. It was sad, you know, my brother eclipsed me with his fitness programs and now I'm here to reclaim. Can we just establish they definitely aren't related. But that narrative was going on but in my head. I'm absolutely gobsmacked that he's not Joe Wicks' brother. No, not related at all. Oh God. That was the best joke, by the way, of the whole series was Chris McCausland said

we're all so excited to actually be in the same room as a GP. That was a great joke. And you don't get proper jokes, really, on Strictly. But I feel that Wyn, Wyn Evans, and Chris McCausland, it's like a battle of the giants. They're coming out with all sorts of fun Is Wynne a witty man? He is! Turns out Sharpe's a tack! The thing is though he is... Opera and corpulent. He's doomed to always be called Go Compare. Yes of course.

Like Boone or something everyone just calls him Go Compare. What's gonna when he when he be after this I think he's going to become a star and be presenting shows and stuff like that. Wyn Evans. Are we gonna get you back on TV, go compare? Yeah, what's the headline gonna be when he's interviewed and he's become a bigger star? Oh, beyond compare. Beyond compare, of course, of course.

Or maybe win-win situation, one spelt in the Welsh. Craig's been trying to crowbar that in every week with a win pun. He said, well darlings, it's win-win-win. Craig slightly broke the fourth wall himself because you know that the result show which they have to pretend is filmed on Sunday night, it's just filmed on Saturday after the other one. They're not going to get a whole crew and everything and spend the money again. No.

But he had a lot of make-up on as Jack Sparrow in his thing and he couldn't get it all off. So it just, it was, I thought it was Robert Smith from The Cure who would judge it tonight. I've just slept in my make-up. Yeah, they just couldn't get it all off. One lone hoop earring tragically hanging. Oh, yes. It's the Frank Skinner podcast. A new winter change is blowing.

It's the Frank Skinner podcast. I'm not totally sure how it's going. By the way, Pete has also added, seeing how well your fellow comedian, Chris McCausland is doing, despite being blind, are you encouraged to give Strictly a go yourself, Frank? No. Okay.

I've been offered it. Next question. I'll tell offered it. Next question. I tell you what, I can't- Are the people of Malmesbury? That's the thing. No, they might be working on it now. Malmesbury mafia. No, I tell you what, there's a thing that happens on Strictly which honestly chills me

to the core. What is it? And that is you see people in the rehearsal room in shorts but like patent dress shoes. And it's like those, you know those Harryhausen films when they were like centaurs, like those minotaurs on terrible pointy hooves. The long hooves that are like high heels. Oh yeah, it's like that. It's really...

It's like dog in socks or something. Even talking about it, no sense of shiver through me. Patent leather shoes and little shorts is very Walter the Softie. Hang on, patent? Is that what it is? Patent? I've always said patent. I've always said patent, but it doesn't mean it's right. I know, okay. Either way, Walter the Softie. Yes.

That's his style. Yeah, but they have to dance in it and they got it, oh it looks so terribly, terribly wrong. Also Frank, there is another problem with this which is you don't want to dance. It makes you cringe, the idea of dancing. I'm very, very self-conscious about dancing. And you know when people say, dance like there's no one watching, that's the definition of freedom. But you can't do that if you're a Catholic. There's always someone watching.

It's an atheist instruction. You know people make this fuss about CCTV. We're never asked about CCTV, it's everywhere now. Makes no difference to me whatsoever. You just call that live. What you need is the God algorithm. Then you'll know what it's like to be hounded. Oh my goodness me. So there you have it.

Oh, we're finished now? No, I think we've got time left. Oh, OK. Can I also share this with you? Because this is very, very important that you're aware of this. We have had someone get in touch with us from Arrow Words. Oh, wow.

In case you don't remember, on a previous show, I talked about being on the cover of Arrow Words of the School of Posler, which is a crossword book. I presume an arrow word is a specific kind of crossword, is it? A special species of it. You know, you get things like, what are those really easy ones? You just have to put a highlighter through the word that's already written. A word search.

Yeah, that. They do that sometimes on daytime TV, don't they? Where you can win 50,000 and then... I think of it as a sort of Wagamama menu detail. Anyway, Lisa Patrick, who is the content editor of Arrow Words. Oh, wow. Yeah. The Lisa Patrick. Yeah. She's from Puzzler. Words. Oh wow. The Elisa Patrick. Yeah.

She's from puzzler.com. She is. Yeah. Thanks so much for the shout out on your podcast. I hope she wears like a onesie with question marks on like the riddle. Or a black and white sort of checkers. Oh that'd be great. Like a crossword, yeah. Yeah.

Does she answer everything like Ron Paul Stiltskin as well? My first is in! She says, thanks so much for the shout out on your podcast, it made my day. And if Frank wants to become, wait for it, the face of the puzzler media brand… Oh, interesting work offers coming in through her. Let's get Frank back onto the Puzzler Media brand. And I'm sure we can work something out. This is like Rhinestone Cowboy, you know that bit where he says an offer is coming over the fall. This is like when I did 15 to 1 and who was that woman on Dragon's Den who ran a haulage company?

That was Hilary DeVay. Hilary Devay. So Adam Hills was doing a piece to camera and Hilary Devay was it you know you sort of stand at a lectern he was doing a piece to camera she went Frank Frank and I thought I said he's doing Frank you fancy doing a corporate in France. We're doing a face to the camera. Live business. An arrow words puzzle is a variant of a crossword. They're in single squares, the arrows point in a direction that the clue applies. Oh, he's been on the Google.

So they don't have down or across, they have arrows. Yeah. That would be my guess. Sometimes they will have small regions with a photo embedded. For instance, a celebrity. Oh. Anyway, Lisa says, I'm sure we can work something out. So we'll pass this onto your management team. What I won't be able to work out is probably the arrow words. Wouldn't it be nice if they ever stretched towards Sudoku? Wouldn't it be nice if you were walking around and a weird guy put his hand on your shoulder and said, face of puzzles? Yeah. And walked away.

Oh, great puzzles. Did I ever tell you there was a man called Enigma who was in, it was like Jim somebody's circus. It was a very sexy alternative burlesque type circus thing. Cirque du Soleil? No, no. It was much darker and dirtier than that. What is this circus? I don't know about a sexy circus.

Yeah, it was called Jim something's thingy circus. Jim Davidson? No, it wasn't him. Okay. And it was much cooler. Jim Davidson's sexy circus. Jim Davidson's sexy it wasn't him. Okay. And it was much cooler. Jim Davidson's Sexy Circus. Jim Davidson's Sexy Circus. Roll up, roll up. It's a normal circus but everyone's nude. Anyway, there was a man. A lady's wearing brown passes. He's not northern by the way. No he's not. Oh no, who am I thinking of? You're thinking of Bernard Manning. That's

right. No longer with us. No. You've got oddly respectful of Bernard Manning. Just have a moment there. Anyway, I forgot, where was I going? Sexy Circus. You were talking about Sexy Circus. Enigma. So Enigma was a man who had had his entire skin covered in jigsaw painting thing. So it was clear.

Like the outlines of a jigsaw? The outlines of a jigsaw. So he looked like he was a jigsaw. I was not very sexy. And he'd also had coral implants in his head to grow two horns. Can I say the producer is literally in tears at this point. That's because she had a one-night stand with him in 1994. Anyway, you can still see the scratches on the headboard. She still never solved that puzzle.

Anyway. What was the piece missing? So I was in a hotel in Australia and Enigma got in and there was a little kid in there and he was absolutely staring at him, you know, and he said to to his mom he's like a puzzle. I think he expected gasps and fear. He'd been reduced. He was basically a bookmark in arrow words. I think maybe that's why he'd done the horns thing because he'd gone puzzles first, puzzle piece tattoo first all over his body And then people just going oh look you're a puzzle. He thought this is not

So much, but also they don't go together Or you've got to start again. You've got to get rid of the jigsaw, which would be a big job She was tattooed. I mean I say all over yeah, or everything you could see I think he just wore wore leather pants in the circus. It would be quite an easy jigsaw to do. That's obviously the bum. Start there. Build up the rest of the gear. I love that we can say bum now. Do you think we could have discussed Enigma Man in our last...

Well, there was another man in the circus, he used to have tremendous weights hanging from his gentleman's conveniences. Really? Yeah. He's hanging gardens of Babylon and he had massive weights which really was a very... Did you see him in the lift as well? No, I don't know what the kid would have said about him. It looks like an elephant. Anyway,

so I've been looking into the whole podcast business. Okay. Because it's, you know, I do a poetry podcast, but it's not like, you know, it's very specialist. Whereas you two are more podcast literary, you know, you do, well let's not plug them on here. Yeah you can plug them if you like. Thank you. But I found... I feel really like I'm able to now. Well no, Emily takes a celebrity and a dog for a walk and interviews them and Pierre talks to Phil Wang, sits with his friend Phil Wang. Yeah, and they talk about doll tams But people do tend to have themes I mean maybe podcast isn't a good example. There's a lot people have themes podcast isn't a good example. There's a lot, people have themes and I thought we should we, like if you look at the podcast charts which obviously I have

this week, there's a lot of... Heavy theming. Yeah there's like the rest is history. Yeah. Which obviously I'm still quite touchy about. You know I... Because that was your title wasn't it? I had a Radio 4 show that did two series called The Rest is History. That's how we met. Exactly. Is it alright to just take that? If we called this podcast The Archers, they'd be on us like a shot. The Archers, except we're talking about sexy circuses. No, but arrow words. Or, you know, Brain of Britain. Have you ever listened to Brain of Britain? No.

Surely we've got Pierre Nivellion. We could call it that legitimately. We have him in the studio. Have you never heard Brain of Britain? No, what is it? I hear it in the car like half 11 at night. And it's all, I mean, it really is. It says the BBC in London.

It really is like that. I've never felt more like smoking a pipe than when I listen to Brain of Britain. What do they do on Brain of Britain? It's a quiz, but it is a quiz from the 50s. Oh, I love it. And it's a madly difficult one. But if we call it, I do all right, honestly. But if we called it brain of Britain, there'd be trouble. Anyway, that's a different thing. But all these things, there's no several the rest is, isn't there?

But they also, a lot of podcasts, I mean, food is a big thing. They like talking about food. Oh, I hate food. Okay. I don't know why anyone would want to talk about it. Do you know what I mean? For our American listeners, he said, I hate food. Reminds me of being back in... I hate food. All the Americans listening are going, so what? It's kind of a weird kind of nostalgia this guy goes in for.

Very broad. Okay. You hate broad. Yeah. Okay. You hate food. Yeah. So it can't be food. I don't fancy that. Self-help.

Therapy's big in podcasting. Yeah. Frank gives very good advice, I find. Do I though? Yeah. You've taken me into the incident room a few times. Well, a lot of them have guests. Yeah.

Which is always a risk. Well, a but also easier isn't it? Yes. You're sort of saying we take in the credit. Oh sorry. No it's hard though, it's very difficult don't get me wrong. Oh this is awkward. No it is a bit. My only issue. Should we have guests on this ever? Yeah but what did you say when we, do you remember when we let our final show on the radio? Do you remember what you said? No, I was in tears. Okay, you said something along the lines of, I would thank...

No, tears was the local gay club. I got so drunk I couldn't remember what I'd said on the radio show. You said, I would thank the guests, but to be honest, what did he say, Pierre? He said, I haven't really enjoyed having them on. I think they haven't contributed very much. Did I say that? Most of them were a failure or something. Yeah I got an email from David Baddiel saying I was a very good guest. So that was a mistake that I said that. And he hadn't even heard the last episode.

Yeah, he was just reminding me, oh I'll get it about once before. I just think our collective knowledge base is a little bit specialist interest. Yeah, I think it could be, sometimes it was a difficult pool for them to swim in. I know, I'm talking about the theme. If we do a theme... Oh sorry. What about if we called it The Guest is History? Suggests that it's an obsolete idea in the podcast world. People are going in for it, you know. It's a bit staid. The theme is that there will never be a guest. Yeah, but we might have a guest, you know, if someone is someone interesting. I had to look through, because I wrote down some of the textings that we had that made me laugh.

I kept in my journal. Did you? And I thought maybe a texting could become a theme for a show. I looked at one text and and thought, this isn't going to work. And it was, the question was, what statue would you like to impose a scenario on? How do we get to that? I'll tell you what it was. I've been on Wall Street.

Oh. I'll tell you what it was. I've been on Wall Street and there's a statue on Wall Street of a bull and it's like sort of confronting a small child. Right. And I- Is this to do with the stock exchange thing? I don't know. They have bulls on the stock exchange. They added the child later.

Oh, okay. They did the bull for a while and then they thought we'll put a child there to make it clever. Yeah. Okay. That's what I did with my relationship. In the beginning I was just the bull. And I thought I wonder what the story is behind this and there must be loads of statues you could impose a scenario on.

I don't think anyone ever replied to that though. So maybe that wouldn't work. Yeah, I don't know if that's the populist audience routing text in we need. What are you reading at the moment? You see what I'm going with this? What about that? What if that was a theme? Oh, what are you reading? Books eh? Ah, books, okay, good answer. I expected more.

A lot of very labour intensive though. Yeah, that's the trouble, is if you have a guest on and say what books you're reading, like Maybe the Wicks Brothers could come on. I imagine they shared lots of, when they were kids they probably both read Wimpy Kid and stuff like that. Frank, they're not brothers, I just want to reiterate. I honestly think they look a lot like the brothers Wicks. I think my partner told me that that was Joe Wicks' brother. No, they're from very different ends of the spectrum. Are they?

In what respect? They look alike. They're both, you know, unchallenging. Well, no, I was... They do look alike. They do? They're both going for the kind of long haired, short bearded. Both good looking. Both muscular.

I would describe, I would say Joe Wicks is more sort of family friendly. Yeah, but you often get that with brothers, don't you? Oh, okay. Yeah, so twins. Like you and our Keith. A good and an evil. Yeah, exactly. Pete Wicks is just night Joe Wicks.

I'm going to use my template as Cain and Abel. You know, Cain killed Abel and I think probably Pete would kill Joe. Pete looks like if Joe Wicks smoked. Yeah. Because he's got tattoos and leather jackets and things. You know, I think you're right. He's night time. He's night time Joe Wicks.

That's what he could be. Night Wicks. You know when your phone goes down at night? That's what happens to Joe Wicks. That's what he could be. Night Wicks. You know when your phone goes down, that's what happens to Joe Wicks. That's about seven o'clock, he turns into Pete Lee. And then he starts doing sexy dancing, tattoos appear. This would be a great film, like a Marvel film. I'd watch that.

Night Wicks. Yeah, Night Wicks. The Wicker Man. Oh. Not quite. Not quite. Can I tell you, I did, I did, I explained that, I explained, I explained last week, which is like a very explosive explanation.

Now what I did was I did a, I said a Yoda joke that I'd only tried once on stage and it never worked. Yeah? Syntax one. Yeah, yeah, but when I, the punchline I didn't get quite right, do you know I actually lay awake in bed for about 90 minutes thinking, no it's supposed to be, the worst teacher I've ever had was the one that taught him syntax and I didn't, I said the worst teacher was syntax. And it's really, I can't get over it, it's as simple as that.

Did you say, this is what you said on the podcast last week? Yeah. Oh, I got it wrong. This could be the theme, regrets. Yeah, regrets. Regrets. Isn't there already a regrets podcast? Well, there must be somewhere.

Couldn't we do something, I mean, you two are very passionate about things like abbeys and things, aren't you? Cathedrals. Yeah, but who, you know, people, no one else is. Oh yeah. The rest is medievalism. Oh yeah. I heart abbeys. I did Clacton on Sea the other night. I did a gig there. Nigel country. That's what it says on there. You are now entering Nigel country. I don't even want to advertise that. And we passed Sudbury. Now if you remember in our radio days, there was a regular Simon of Sudbury and I thought

I wonder if he'll be there tonight but I heard nothing. Really? A lot of peep. They forget very quickly. No, I'm sure he'll be in touch Simon of Sudbury. Well, I don't know, they've probably moved on. Can I say, I want to say, I need to tell, ask Frank something, I'm so sorry. Regarding Arrow Words, I meant to mention this to you because J.M. Hodgson also got in touch via Twitter. from the 19th century. J.M. Hodgson. My name is J.M. Hodgson. Yes.

And J.M. Hodgson says, somewhat controversially, regarding your Arrow Words cover, definitely blow drying his hair these days. Well, I wasn't. I just sit in a chair and it's like when you see a pit stop in a Grand Prix. I'm surrounded by, I say that, there used to be a thing, makeup used to be a thing I'd look forward to because it was, at the end of it, you'd come up, you'd done your show, you'd come in, you'd sit in the chair and someone, often you'd get a hot towel. You'd get there, you'd get someone to take all your makeup off, then they'd moisturize you. Yeah, I found nowadays you come off the makeup room is empty and there's just two wet wipes drying on the side

Cleft for you. Oh It's not like it was when you used to be on telly. No. No, this is Starmus Britain No, no, this is Starmus Britain! Thanks for listening to the podcast. Make sure to like and follow so you never miss an episode and if you want to get in touch you can email the podcast via Frank off the radio at AvalonUK.com