The Fumblerooski Podcast - 2 Year Special -Ep 141 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: December 10, 2022

Should we be surprised that Tua is the early leader in Pro Bowl voting? Was the Giants' 6-1 start to the season fool's gold? How are the Rams 4-9 just a year removed from a Super Bowl victory? Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, and Justin Tucker celebrate our show's 2-year anniversary hosting several special guests and loyal listeners in this fun and exciting episode!

Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football, they're saying it's a catch. It's in, caught, to Gates! Sideline, touchdown, unbelievable! our podcast has now as of today been running for two years ladies and gentlemen my name is adam wright with justin tucker and cj medeiros you are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast on episode 141. It is now, so it's December 9th, and two years ago today, myself, Justin, and another co-host who is not named CJ Medeiros, somebody else, we came together and we said, let's start a podcast. We've been talking about it for years.

Let's do it and so one of us weren't uh wasn't able to keep going just wasn't interested but tuck and i have been going on ever since and cj has joined us and we're having plenty of guests on to uh help us celebrate. So without further ado, we have guests, Brian Sierra and Connor Fallon. So guys, welcome to the show. I believe this is both of your first times, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, you guys can go one at a time. Why don't you introduce yourselves to our listeners? All right. I'll start.

Hi, my name is Connor Fallon. I live in the Chicagoland area, big Bears fan. And I'm really excited to be on this podcast. All right, Brian. What up? My name is Brian, big time New York Giants fan, everything New York Giants. I'm rocking with them to the end. I'm in the New Jersey area, but I'm familiar with you guys because me and Tuck played football together a few years back at Dean.

If anybody was wondering, I play safety and linebacker, though. I play safety for my junior team. team so we're all defense huh tuck say tuck's been a linebacker at dean all right guys well we have a great show planned for you guys tonight so So we have the Pro Bowl voting leaders who have been revealed so far as voting has opened up. We're going to talk about the Giants and how they've been kind of sputtering since their 6-1 start. The Rams, who are now 4-9, just a year removed from a Super Bowl victory.

We're going to get to our fantasy stardom sit-em. But first, so instead of having a guest segment, what we usually do where people, whoever's a guest, gets to talk about whatever they want, we're going to do rapid fire. Whoever's on as a guest gets to give their hottest take possible in sports right now.

And it like any strong feeling you have about any topic in sports. So Connor or Brian, if you guys have anything who wants to go, who wants to go first? I'll start it off. I think the Rams are looking real good with Baker Mayfield. They might be a problem coming in now on. They might go on a little streak.

I think that's just how I'm going. Super might be a problem coming in now on. They might go on a little streak, I think. That's just how I'm thinking. Super Bowl champions? I don't know. Playoff streak? I think that they could make a push for, like, the playoffs, depending on how things go out with their other. But I think that I really believe in Baker Mayfield cooking up two days into the new offense.

I might sound crazy, but I don't know many quarterbacks that could go 98 or 96 yards in two minutes, let alone a quarterback doing it two days into the new offense. So I think Sean McVay and Baker Mayfield might have something up their sleeve. That's interesting. I think the 49ers should, I think, probably stay with Jimmy G and not try to look for a new quarterback. He's already led you to the Super Bowl.

Just keep going with him, and I think he's the perfect fit for their team. All right. That's not a bad take. I don't – yeah. I think they're both pretty good takes. The only problem with the Rams, though, is they're – I'm looking at the standings right now. They're 4-9, right? Yeah, they won't make the playoffs, but –

They're 4-9. They would just have to leapfrog. They would have to be one of those in the hunt teams that could – I don't know. Yeah, they would have to leapfrog eight teams if they're going to make a playoff pitch. But, like, you mean, like, they get hot, win a couple games, go into next season feeling good about themselves. I got an even better take, though.

I feel like the Eagles get bound first round. Okay. That's a better one. That's actually funny because like obviously like first round they're gonna get the first round by most likely but they're gonna get balanced in the playoffs they're overrated football team that's actually funny because cj's been saying it for months yeah it's just their schedule is softer than Albert Hainsworth in Washington. I don't know about a soft schedule. It's NFL any given Sunday, but I just feel like, I don't know,

they're winning too many games. They're a little bit too hot right now. Still got to get cold someday, so they might get bound sooner than. So who's going to be on the football? Who do you think is going to be on the football? someday, so they might get bounced sooner than sooner. Maybe a little bit of the Bears fan bias in me, but Justin Fields wins MVP

in the next three seasons. You never know. You got to give him a line first. Yeah, that offensive line needs to get better. That kid's getting killed. I feel so bad for him. Oh, and more receivers not named Darnell mooney i mean they got claypool oh yeah you're right you're right i forgot i forgot but still

yeah yeah they got claypool they're probably they're probably gonna get a topic they're gonna get a top pick in the draft so i don't i don't think they would take a receiver with their first round pick they're probably gonna take like will anderson yeah help their defense right now they're the second worst team in uh in the in uh all of football so they'll they'll get it they'll get a top pick yeah i mean yeah they're back's not their need i would say yeah get will anderson you'd be a good uh replacement for cleo mack but here's the thing connor so the so the top three projected picks are going to be quarterbacks so do you see them moving back trading back and finding another guy tackle wide receiver piece on defense what do you think yeah that's that's what um that's what my dad was talking about yesterday.

He was saying he doesn't think that the Bears are going to keep that pick. He thinks that they're going to try to trade down to get future assets in the years coming. Maybe trade to a team like the Lions, who have been kind of hot, who may not get that pick. I mean, maybe, but don't the Lions have the Rams first rounder that's shaping up to be a top ten? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes.

So the Rams don't have any picks. I think that's a top five pick. For a while. It's a top five pick right now. I think it might be, yeah. I think it's like four. I know because. a top five pick. It's a top five pick right now. I think it might be, yeah. I think it's like four. I know because when I was looking at it the other day before Thursday Night Football, I know it was at number three, but they just won last night, which was wild.

That's another story. We were cheering for the Rams, so then we can get that number two pick. Well, they're at number three now. I think you're already at the number two pick right now. Yeah, just so then we stay at the number two. Yeah. Yeah. I just think you might want to trade back with that pick

because it's going to be one, two, three at quarterback most likely. Well, Adam, hear me out. Don't sleep on Will Anderson. You see, look, I know it's a quarterback-heavy draft, but sometimes you've got to take the best player available. And you can make a solid case that Will Anderson is arguably one of, if not the best player in the draft. I mean, quarterbacks, you never know.

What about the D-tackle from Georgia? Huh. What about the D-tackle from Georgia? Huh? What about the D-tackle from Georgia? What's his name again? Carter. Oh, Jalen Carter, is that his? Yes. I'd take Will Anderson just slightly, but, you know, that's just –

well, yeah, there's an argument to be made. I mean, I'm not going to say he's the best player, but I think he's the best defensive player, you know. Like I said, you've got to take the best player available sometimes, you know. I mean, that Bears team needs a lot of help at a lot of places. Other than quarterback and I think running back. Look, here's my – I will die on this hill with David Montgomery. And maybe this is biased because I've been drafting him in fantasy for years

and he hasn't exactly lived up to his potential, but if he had a better offensive line, just a better, just a better offense in general to work with, he could be a top 10 pick in all of fantasy. Oh yeah. That makes, that makes perfect sense.

Put them, put them in Jonathan Taylor's shoes. And he puts up similar results. Yes. Without the injuries. Exactly. And Taylor gets hurt too. Yep.

So I don't know. But I do want to get going on our agenda for today. So the Pro Bowl voting leaders have been revealed, and it is as follows. You guys ready for this? So, I'll start from the bottom because the number one is wow. So, Travis Kelsey is fifth with 131,000. Tyreek Hill is fourth, 132,000.

Patrick Mahomes, 13 133 000 at three then for uh at two it's justin jefferson with 137 000 number one to a tongue of iloa with 138 000 votes unbelievable and i'll give it to this kid he he has played his ass off this year he is he's had a pretty good season and he and uh three of the four games that miami has lost have been where tua has went the majority if not all of the game not playing because one of those losses he technically started. He went a quarter and a half, and that was where he almost got his head ripped off. Yeah.

But do you think he deserves this? We'll go around the table. We'll start with Connor and then go to Brian, and then we'll go to the co-hosts. What do you guys think? I mean, he has been playing amazing. So he's the number one quarterback right now. He's the number one player right now.

Yep. I mean, I don't – yeah, he probably is. If it's not him, it would have been Mahomes or Hurts, maybe Burrow. But I think that's a little surprising, but not as surprising as I assumed it would be. Yeah. All right, Brian. I actually think it's very surprising, given I don't really think he's even the

best quarterback in his division. You can make that argument. I think Josh Allen's way more deserving of more, if like equal or like, if not more votes than Tua Tungvalu. I mean, I'm not saying that Tua is like trash. He's been stinking it up. He's been playing phenomenal when he's in. But you have Josh Allen who's just like playing lights out. He's not even playing up to his potential, I'm not saying that Tua is like trash. He's been stinking it up. He's been playing phenomenal when he's in. But you have Josh Allen, who's just like playing lights out.

He's not even playing up to his potential, I feel like. And I feel like Tua right now is playing to his best that he's going to be. I don't really see Tua being – I'm not saying that he's not playing good, but like I really kind of find it hard to see Tua balling at the level he's going to ball at for years and years and games and games to come on. I just feel like Josh Allen is a little bit more deserving. But that's not even the most surprising on the list because you said Travis Kelsey was at five. I feel like this year tight ends really even haven't even really been going crazy this year. Like tight end is such a weird

position this year because you thought there were going to be some tight ends who were going to go crazy. Kyle Pitts, I know somebody had him in fantasy. I thought you and I thought he were going to be some tight ends who were going to go crazy. Kyle Pitts, I know. Somebody had him in fantasy. I thought you and I, Kyle, thought he was going to go crazy. Oh, no. Kyle Pitts hasn't really been doing much. I mean, there's not really a lot of tight ends that were really balling. I would expect them to. Another one would be like Darren Waller. Another one would be like George Kittle.

It hasn't really been a good year for tight ends, so for me to see Kittle at number five of all votes is crazy. Very surprising list, though, in my opinion. Yeah, I'll say that much. CJ? I'm not surprised at Tua. And it's not because I, you know, wanted him to be here. It's more of a cynical thing.

And let me tell you why. The NFL, you know, wanted him to be here. It's more of a cynical thing. And let me tell you why. The NFL, you know, there's a saying, recency bias is a hell of a thing. And it's true. Tua Tagovailoa is not a top three quarterback. You could argue he is not a top five quarterback. I mean, personally, that's a bit of a gray air for me, but I know he's not top three. He's not better than Patrick Mahomes, nor is he better than Josh Allen. And I mean, that's as far as I'd like to go as far as like the AFC is concerned.

But are we really going to forget how this man was the spitting definition of mediocrity before he got Tyreek Hill. Even when Tua had, I'm blanking on his name, just Jalen Waddle's wide receiver one, he wasn't really that good. And we just look at last season, 2,653 yards, 16 touchdowns, 10 picks. That's not very good. So, I mean, it's not an indictment on his playing. It's just like, of course there there's the you know the young new hot shot people are gonna come out in droves to vote for them that's just how it is unfortunately like i said recency bias it's a magical thing isn't it yeah all right talk

all right the first thing i'm gonna say is when i saw the list that you showed me i was like i don't see Saquon on here that's kind of surprising to me that he didn't make top five I really thought Saquon would easily make top five because he's in the New York market he's like one of the reasons the Giants have a 500 above 500 record right now so I was shocked when I saw it and he didn't make it. Then I saw number one, I saw two and I was like, how in the world did Tua Tagovaiola, not saying that he's having a bad season or that he's not good because he is. I was like, how did he skyrocket over Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen to be the number one spot? Everybody else, I understand where they're at, but Tua shocked

me a lot when I saw it. I was like, Tua? Don't get me wrong. If he was like top 15, I'd get it. But top number one of the whole list? Don't really get it right now. All right. So Tua missed three games. Technically, he started one of those games.

But he only played like a quarter and a half of it but he put so in how in how many games has it has he been in it's been so the team is what nine in so the all right here here it is right now teams eight and four he missed three games so eight and that's nine that's nine games in nine games uh where tua has played 21 touchdowns to five interceptions nearly 3 000 yards that's not just being carried by your wide receiver is good that's like i that's like on another level like if this guy played all three of the games that he missed, which we know he couldn't, but let's say he never got hurt

and he actually played those games, then we're talking about a very, very different MVP race. And we might see Tua as the lead candidate right now. Just based on the projections. He's probably going to get over 30 touchdown passes as it is while missing three games. That's just insane to me. And, like, I get it.

He hasn't been great in his first two seasons. But that's why my criteria for quarterbacks has always been the same give them three years give them three seasons and if after three seasons you don't see anything then you give them the boot and look at and we we've uh josh allen i believe has been mentioned um so in this in this segment but look look at Josh Allen's statistics in his second season. They're not that good. They're just like, okay. Like he shows, he shows some improvement, but the leap from year two to year three is

very much kind of is very much like the year, the leap that Tua has taken from year two to year three. And it, and part of that has a little bit to do with the weapons around him. Same thing with Josh Allen. He didn't have much when he first got to Buffalo. Then they started giving him some weapons. They got him Cole Beasley. They got him John Brown.

And he was a little, he got better. But then they gave him Stephon Biggs. And then this guy lit it up. And of course, like that's, that's part of football. Everyone needs their pieces. You need to kind, you need to have a little bit of time to throw and you also need some pieces to throw to Josh Allen got that. And he's ever since been one of the best quarterbacks in the league to one now has that he had, he had rookie Jalen Waddle and now he has,

he has prime Tyreek Hill and jalen waddle going into his second season so and they also got don't don't forget they also got this guy protection they got him taryn armstead and this guy has shown tremendous improvement and they also got they also got him a new head coach who actually believes in him, who doesn't, who isn't itching to pull the trigger on a Deshaun Watson trade every 10 minutes. So I, I'm pretty impressed. And like, I would say it is surprising that this guy became, you know, that this guy is the lead voter, the lead in, in votes, but like you got, people look at the new shiny object and I think everyone was pulling for Tua over this off season to be, to be good. And once that kind of came true in this dolphins team, whenever Tua's leading just wins games, everyone's just turned on by it.

Everyone loves that. And I can't, I can't lie. I kind of like it too. It's kind of, it's kind of cool to see this kid who's been kind of up and down for most of his career, finally showing that he can do it at, at the NFL level. I'm pretty, I, I, I w I'd like to see him in the pro bowl. I think this is, I think this is fun. I think this is good to see that the Miami Dolphins and the rest of the AFC East is really showing out this year. So that's my two cents. I don't think you'll have much pushback here.

That's not a bad take at all. I mean, his stats speak for themselves. 21 touchdowns to five interceptions is crazy. That means he has, like, he's making good decisions, getting the ball where it needs to be. He's not doing more than what's asked of him. He's not doing less than what's asked for him. He's in the best offense I think he could be in with the weapons he has.

He has a good, decent run game. He has a decent defense. They're not asking him to go out and put 40, 30 points per game. When they're winning these games with Tua, they're winning it very decidedly. And I don't think it's by luck. They're not winning these games on a coin toss. They're not winning these games on a final drive. They're winning these games pretty fair and square.

And you can't really doubt that they're a really good team. But the question is, how long could he do it for? Yeah, absolutely. And I just wanted to follow up on Josh Allen in his second season in the league. So in 2019, he threw for 3,000 yards. So good for him. 20 touchdowns to nine interceptions. So those are good statistics. A little better than two was last year. But you wouldn't, like, especially like,

I remember going into that third season, everyone thought Stephon Diggs was going to get worse once they traded for him, once the Bills traded for him. And then he got better because he kind of got an upgrade at quarterback. Turns out Josh Allen in his third year developed into that quarterback that the Bills were hoping it would be. So kind of the same thing with Tua Tungavailoa here. Yeah, I mean, you can argue that Diggs got better when he got Josh Allen.

And obviously Josh Allen got better when he got Diggs. It's like the combo. Every good receiver needs its good quarterback. Exactly. And vice versa. You know? You kind of need, like, people forget. Like, when they compare quarterbacks,

they talk about it as if it's like a boxing match or something. It's a one-on-one tussle. You need like a good, a great quarterback needs a good offensive line needs to be able to stay, stand on their feet needs to, you know, the offensive line to keep them on his feet. They need their, need the weapons, you know, people, teams, players to throw to. And on top of that, you, of need a pretty solid run game. And some of the great quarterbacks can overshadow a little bit of that,

but we're seeing it right now from some of the elite quarterbacks in this league. Aaron Rodgers does not have any weapons to throw to. And therefore, the team kind of sucks. And Rodgers is having one of his worst seasons I've ever seen him have. So, I mean, he ever since I've been like introduced to football, especially as a Bears fan, Aaron Rodgers has been the enemy and basically one of the best, if not the best quarterback in the NFL. So seeing him struggle is very surprising. Yeah. No, I completely.

And honestly, I'll be honest with you. I thought the Bears were going to win that game. I went into that thinking. I was at that game. I went into that thinking. I was at that game. I was at the game. Yes. Ooh. Ooh, I'm sorry, man.

I know. It was so bad. It started off. It all went downhill once the tipped field goal happened. After that, we just. No bueno. field goal happened after that we just no boy no hey it shows that that team is close to surpassing the packers because now now i can see that you guys have your quarterback now you have justin fields he's shown some improvement from year one to year two now the team needs to surround him with some pieces get him an offensive line get him some pieces to throw to,

and he'll be golden. Also work on that defense because as quick as they became one of the best defenses in the league, it became one of the worst just as fast. Yep. I mean, it doesn't help when Roquan Smith, after being gone for a few weeks, still leads the team in tackles. Yeah.

That's all right, guys. But I want to move on to our next topic. So the New York Giants, so we're talking about surprises this episode. The 6-1 start by the New York Giants was about surprising as it gets in the, in the NFL, especially this year. And as quick as they got off to a six and one start, they were just as quick to go to a one, three and one follow-up ever since that, ever since

that start to the season. Uh, and we're going to talk about that next and whether or not this Giants team is legit. This is the Fumble Rooski podcast. Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football and they're saying it's a catch. It's a catch! It's a catch! Side-line! Touchdown!

Unbelievable! Slings it way down the field the walk-ins you were listening to the fumble ruski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros, Justin Tucker, and special guests, Connor Fallon and Brian Sierra. So the New York Giants. All right. So the Giants started 6-1 to the season. And we were also watching the New Yorkork jets on the other side who were enjoying

some success during that same stretch it was like football in uh in new york really is looking up since then one three and one and all right so b, I promised I'd start with you. Talk to me, dude. What's going on with your Giants? It's not really what's going on with the Giants. It's kind of like defenses are now noticing what our plan to win is. The Giants don't have all the offensive weapons. We all know they have Saquon Barkley who's a threat with his legs Daniel Jones the threat with his legs and his arm and the receiver has really been injured kind of all of them throughout the whole season you know they're number one two and three going into the season you could say would have been Kenny Galladay, Kadarius Toney, Sterling Shepard or their second

round draft pick Wandel Robinson well we know Kadarius Toneyony traded to the cheese and he's been hurt ever since he's been in the league um sterling shepherd tears his acl midway through the season actually he probably throws acl like maybe the fourth game of the season i know he tore his acl early on wandell robinson tears his acl and kenny galladay has kind of been a no-show since he's been signed to the giants you know he still hasn't had a touchdown, a receiving touchdown. He's been signed to a five-year, $72 million contract. He's maybe had 400-yard games and not even one touchdown to show for it. So that's kind of like the Giants don't really have crazy weapons. Their really only legitimate weapon is Saquon Barkley,

and other defenses are noticing that. So they're just stacking the box and challenging the Giants, beat us with Daniel Jones with his arm talent. And so they're just lining up in a box. They're playing heavy box defense and other defenses are stopping Saquon Barkley. When the Giants, when Saquon Barkley does good, the Giants win. When he doesn't do good, the Giants don't win. So that's what teams are noticing. So they're like, we're going to make Daniel Jones beat us with his arm,

which he hasn't really proven. He's a good quarterback, in my opinion, but he hasn't really proven to take that next step to elevate his players. He's not one of those quarterbacks who are going to elevate his players like Josh Allen. Josh Allen could roll out the pocket, make plays with his legs, throw the ball down when he has to. I'm not saying Daniel Jones can't do that, but he can't do it on a consistent basis, or he has to show it on a consistent basis.

You can see Patrick Mahomes. They're like, oh, what is he going to do without Tyreek Hill? I mean, he still has Travis Kelsey with him, but he has, I would say, a bunch of receivers who aren't really going to pop off the screen because they have a Juju Smith-Schuster. They have a Kadarius Tone who's also been injured because they traded with him for the Giants. Their rookie running back, Isaiah Pacheco, has been doing a lot of work since he's been in the league. But I just feel like the Giants' downfall or their little lack of luck, I would say, is because other teams are stopping them on defense. I don't think that they're a bad team. I don't think that they've been getting lucky. But I just feel like on this next stretch of games, the Giants know that they

have to win these games because these are all must-win games because the Giants very well can make it to the playoffs, and they could very well get bounced out of the playoffs. And I feel like if they don't make the playoffs or they don't really win these next games, the coach may lose the locker room because the players are like, we started off so good. You're being so aggressive to start off the year. Now, like the past few games, the Giants kind of have been playing, like play to not lose.

They haven't really been playing play to win offense, in my opinion. They're running the ball on like second and seven, where I think they should be more pass heavy. When Daniel Jones passes the ball, which he rarely does, when he passes the ball, like second and seven when i think they should be more pass heavy when daniel jones passes the ball which he rarely does when he passes the ball they do good i just don't feel the giants have the most confidence in daniel jones like the fans do all right solid take um connor i have a question for you the pure the giants fan here i would say do you guys do you think you're getting obj see everybody likes to talk about this obj stuff i don't really i would be happy if the giants got him of course obj prime athlete but i don't really feel the need that the giants really

need an obj on their team to be honest i mean I mean, what is he? He's 29-30, two ACL tears and a broken ankle. Yeah, I understand if Odell was at his prime, I would love OBJ. But I just feel like at this point in the season, and there's been rumors that he's not even going to be ready up until the playoffs. So I feel like if the Giants don't even make the playoffs, which they well could not make the playoffs, if they don't even make the playoffs, they're just going to kind of waste money and waste cap for next year,

signing Odell, a player that's not even fully 100% healthy. And I kind of feel like he's been in headlines too much, and he's not even playing. I understand he's not a player who's just not going to want attention on him. He's Odell Beckham Jr. He has, like, what, 4 million followers on Instagram. He's going to bring attention. But that'll be good for the team and bad for the team because if they don't do good,

they're going to banter OBJ on the post-game conferences. They're going to be like, are you – so you made the right decision coming to New York. And I just feel like it'll mess with the chemistry of the team because the Giants do have a lot of young talent in the wide receiver room. Absolutely. All right. Oh, yeah. You know, I think I'm kind of opposite on you, man. I think adding a player like Odell Beckham Jr. would be amazing for this team.

I mean, you said that their wide receiver room is, to be honest, not the greatest. I mean, maybe it's – they're probably about the same level with the Bears, maybe a little bit better, maybe a little bit worse. I don't know. I can't really determine that. But I think if you add a player like OBJ, even if you guys don't make the playoffs, you guys see how they started off 6-1 this year.

If they can do it again next year with OBJ healthy, with Daniel Jones improving and Saquon Barkley improving, if they resign him, because I think he may be a free agent this year yeah yeah if they resign Saquon Barkley and get Daniel Jones to keep improving and I think that can be amazing for the team but there are a lot of rumors of him going to like the Cowboys yeah and obviously all this all this Daniel Jones talk I mean how many chances of him going to like the cowboys yeah and obviously all this all this daniel jones talk i mean how many chances are we going to give daniel jones before we talk about him being not even out the league or being like a serviceable backup you know mac jones got two years and people

already writing him off you know this is daniel jones his fourth year and everybody's saying oh he doesn't have enough chances he doesn't have this he doesn't have that you can make the argument for i mean any other quarterback who's kind of been not really that good. Any quarterback who really is good, they, Daniel Jones has shown he could be that guy. I mean, he has flashes where he's going down on a two-minute drill and he has flashes where he takes accountability for his losses. He's not a quarterback out here saying that his team is not good enough for him. I guess we all heard about what Zach Wilson said on the Jets. He puts up like 22 yards in the second half.

They ask him, oh, was this loss your fault? He says no. I don't think Zach Wilson is a franchise quarterback, but I feel like Daniel Jones, the way he handles himself, the way he goes about press conferences, the way he works in the offseason. You can see that he's trying to do better for the team. I just feel like he's just been in a really bad situation. But then again, really good quarterbacks thrive even when they're not in the best of situations. I think that's another route that you guys could go. maybe package over the offseason, maybe package a player who's maybe on their contract season in the next few years with a few draft picks to trade up, maybe with the Bears, for that second overall pick

to take a guy like C.J. Stroud or Bryce Young if he falls past the Texans. For sure. I mean, there are a lot of routes with this team, and I hope for you as a Giants fan that they make the right one. Yeah, I do too. All right. CJ, what are your thoughts? Now, the question here, was the Giants 6-1 start fool's gold?

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Brian, no disrespect, obviously. But I said it. I kept saying it. If you're ordering the season, I'm like, something's up. I mean, is this team great on the sum of their parts? Turns out, no, they're not.

Not having a receiver will do that. And I think Brian put it really well when he said the Giants have figured out if you can stop Saquon Barkley, you've effectively stopped the offense. And if Daniel Jones has to beat you with his arm, you're going to win. So long story short, I don't want to eat up too much time. But, yeah, it was 100% fool's gold. And I also say I i gotta agree with connor you know when it's like just i don't know package like a few picks and like move up and take like a

bryce young or cj stroud or will levis or whoever goes first or any of those quarterbacks actually better than daniel jones i mean i'm Jones? I mean, I don't know. I don't think so. I think Bryce Young is the most NFL. I mean, you can make the argument for right now. Yeah, I think Young is the most NFL ready. Stroud, I don't know. Maybe, you know, Ohio State curse.

I mean, you could say Fields has broken it, but we don't know yet. And we'll leave this. They're 7-4-1, though. We can't even look at the Giants taking one of those quarterbacks. Because unless they trade off. That's what I was saying. That's what I think they should do. That's what I think they're going to do.

But they're a rebuilding football team. Like, whoever thought the beginning of the season, the Giants were going to start off a 6-1 football team. Everybody thought the Giants were going to tank at the number one pick and see what they were going to do from there. So I feel like the Giants being 6-1, you're going to have to make a push for it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

This last stretch, though, has really been bad. That loss to the Texans, I think, really broke the team down a whole bunch because any team going into the going into the line you think oh it's the Lions week you know we're gonna kind of take this off and I kind of felt like that was a game the Giants could have lost because the Texans are a good team you see their offense putting up 40 points a game you see them making stops when they have to you see that they

never quit kind of similar to the Giants but in order to beat the Lions, you're going to have to beat them in a shootout. And I just don't think that's the team the Giants are yet. I was going to say, didn't the Giants beat the Texans? Yeah, they beat them 24-16. Did I say Texans? I meant the Lions. Yeah, you said Texans. I meant the Lions.

Yeah, and they dropped 31 as well. If you put more than 25 on the Giants, you're probably going to beat them because of the lack of offense. And the defense is pretty good, but once you keep scoring and scoring and the offense can't score, points are going to pile up. That's for anybody. All right. I want to get to the last two of us and then move on to our next topic.

But, Tuck, what are your thoughts on the Giants this year? I'm going to keep it short and sweet. This offense only can go as far as Saquon. If he has a monster day, they can very much get a win. But if he has a mediocre type of day, like only 31 rushing yards and maybe like 25 receiving yards, then, yeah, this offense will die a slow death. And it's unfortunate that this is still the offense that it's been since 2018 that they have to rely on Saquon so much.

But this is what happens when you spend big on free agency and you're not getting back what you're supposed to. Kenny Galladay has been a bust, a scrub if you will, if we're just being honest here. I don't know why you guys traded Kadarius Tony and not used him more often as you should have, but again, it is what it is. I think you guys should have tried to invest more into the weapons surrounding Daniel Jones, even though I don't think Daniel Jones is great.

I think he's solid enough quarterback to win you some games. The problem with that is I don't think they have the weapons surrounding him enough to be able to win those games. Now, they did do him a favor by getting him by drafting Evan Neal for him to help shore up that offensive line. But outside of that, I don't think they have the necessary weapons around him to win. Outside of Darius Slayton, I don't really trust anybody going deep or, like, threateningly deep. So as long as you can shut him down, that offense isn't going anywhere, and they can just put, like, eight or nine people in the box to stop Saquon. So until they can figure out a way to add more people into the offense,

you're just going to continue to die a slow death unless Saquon just has morester games. All right. just has morester games all right so there's a couple factors to look at with this giants team and it's kind of all on the offense and i think i think brian uh summed it up pretty well how this offense really does live and die with saquon barkley and we this is. And we all knew that this was what the Giants were, even during their 6-1 stretch. They were a defense and running the ball team. But the thing with that type of scheme is that you can't only run the ball. You have to have kind of a serviceable passing game

so that the opposing defenses can respect the run or rather respect the passing game. But the problem is over the course of this season, all of the Giants' wide receivers have gotten hurt. And then on top of that, what we really haven't touched on so far this segment is Daniel Jones is tied for the second most times from any quarterback to be sacked. Tied for second. He's tied with Joe Burrow with 37, and at number one is Justin Fields. So, yikes.

And to think, this Giants team addressed it over the offseason. They got Evan Neal with a top pick. That the Bears traded. Yep. So they picked up Evan Neal, and he was playing really well, just he's hurt. Yeah. So, like, this is kind of

tough luck for them they're doing everything they can just to to improve this team and to surround Daniel Jones with some sort of talent to to put him in the best the best uh environment to succeed for a young quarterback but it's not working out they go out and they buy Kenny Galladay, who is having really good seasons with the Lions. Didn't work out. They went and got in with a first pick in 2020. Excuse me, 2021. They got Kadarius Toney. Kid looks good, but he can't stay healthy.

It's just not looking good. And it really is just a lot of bad luck because this team looked really good. And that defense and running the ball scheme was working until it didn't in the same stretch of time when all of their wide receivers were getting hurt. All of Daniel Jones' protection got hurt. So obviously there's going to be stacked boxes. You're not going to produce enough offense, and you're not going to be able to get things going.

And ultimately that's going to trickle over to the defense because it's going to get everyone on that team tired as the game goes on. It doesn't matter who you are, if you're Kayvon Thibodeau or if you're name the player. You're going to get tired. But anyways, we actually have another – hang on. So we have – I believe this is Aaron Wise who's trying to join. But he needs to – yeah, it says it's not connected. Would either of you – Tuck or CJ, would you be able to send him a message or something through the Fumble Rooski?

Email through the Fumble Rooski and just let him know he has to connect his devices. I know he's trying to join. You're welcome to come on, dude, but we'll see how. It's not letting me connect him you know this is probably a perfect time for me to say this but I gotta head out right now so I really

appreciate you guys having me on the show and if I can make it Tuesday I'll definitely join but once again thank you for having me on the show and i love you guys's content and hope to keep talking with you guys yeah appreciate you coming on we enjoy your fan box responses too a lot of good stuff so yeah definitely we'll have you on again

if you want to come on on tuesday then you're welcome but thanks for joining we had we enjoyed having you all right thanks all joining. We enjoyed having you. All right. Thanks. See you guys. I'll see you around, man. Of course, T-Man. Peace.

All right. So anything else we want to say on the Giants here? Watch this run that we go on. Watch this run. It's going to start off this Sunday beating the Eagles. I wish you would. I wish. No. I actually wish

you would beat Philly because it'd be funny. I'm rooting for you. I really am. Of course you're rooting for them. It's full of soul, but one can dream. Three of the next five games that they have, or three of the last five because they only have five games left, against NFC East opponents.

So they have the Eagles twice. So you at least got to split that one in order to make the playoffs probably. Then you also have the Commanders, who have been no pushover ever since Taylor Heineke took over for Carson Wentz. And the two games in between. So the Colts, that's a game I would hope if you're a playoff team, you could win. Yeah.

And that's been a really unpredictable team, though. They've been able to hang with some of the better teams in the league. Then the other game is the Vikings. I don't see that as a win. Good teams win. If the Giants win out or at least win the next three games, then they deserve to be a playoff team. If they lose these games, then you know, yeah, 6-1 was a fluke. But good teams win, undeniable.

You cannot deny a good team from winning. You can't take away wins from teams. That's what I'm saying. I'm not taking anything away from the Eagles. They're a good team. They're a hell of a football team. But it's a divisional game, and you never know with divisional games. You know how these divisional games go.

It could be, for example, the Jets and the Bills, divisional game. Everybody thought the Bills were hot. They're going to steamroll the Jets. The Jets, they're pretty good. They have a good record. But they've just been lucky. The Jets beat the Bills. So we're just going to see how it all falls out.

I think good teams win the Giants know that these games are must wins I think there's a game we can win this week yeah well if they they have some they have some challenges coming up so it's going to be it's going to be interesting but um we have another guest coming on and it's a returner and Aaron Weiss dude you've been on on my this is what our third time your third time on the show yeah rounder yeah welcome back man but uh would you would you be able to uh reintroduce yourselves to some of our new listeners we might have oh yeah so i'm aaron wise and uh i'm from illinois Illinois. Awesome. Brian here,

Brian Sierra, one of our new listeners, is a Giants fan. From my understanding, you're a Jets fan. Yeah, I'm a Jets fan. Who's the better team? I'm going to say Giants. I'm going to say Giants.

You could ask me, do I think the Giants are better than the Chiefs? I'm going to say the Giants. I think the Giants are the best team in the NFL. That's just me being a fan. So, like, I'm just going to say that as a fan. I feel like the Giants could keep up with everybody. You can call me delusional.

I definitely don't think the Jets are a better team. That's like saying your little brother could beat you up. Would anybody in here admit that your little brother could beat me up? I don't think so. I little brother could beat me up i don't think so i'll die on the hill think the giants are better than the jets no matter what that's just my team all right aaron two minutes uninterrupted okay so honestly though so i know the giant i know the giants were six and one but uh personally though i think that was just a fluke, man. It's starting to come now. Like, now they're starting to lose games because I was surprised they were good.

I was not expecting to be 6-1. I was surprised. Like, man, like, how are the Giants winning? But now it's starting to catch up because, I don't know. I think my prediction right now, I think the Giants will miss the playoffs. Ooh. I think Washington's going to get in and Seattle's going to get in. And the Giants are going to stumble out.

Are the Jets making it? I'm getting nervous. I'm getting a little nervous because the Patriots got a tightroker over us and the Chargers are now starting to breathe on their necks now. We play the Bills next, which I hope my team wins, but

I don't know. I'm not really full on the Mike White train yet because a lot of Jet fans are on the Mike White train now because Zach Olsen plays so bad against New England like he had to get benched. But I don't know. The division, we're not going to win the division, personally. I don't think we're going to win the division. Personally, for me. That's to win the division, personally. I don't think we're going to win the division. For me –

That's out of the question. Yeah. I think if we could win the division, we basically kind of need just to win out. We need to beat – we got to beat Buffalo again and the Dolphins, I think, personally, if we're going to have a chance at winning the division. But you know, I'm so surprised we got swept by them. I'm really actually surprised finally. Like, I think we honestly should have swept you guys.

No offense, but, yeah, we kind of let those two games slip from us. All right. You know, so I think that Jets team was a lot more formidable when you had Brees Hall. And now that Brees Hall is hurt, and Michael Carter is all right. He's a solid running back. I've always liked him. And James Robinson, he hasn't quite been the same since his torn Achilles,

but he's still a solid running back now. And I'm sure, like, with modern-day medicine, it looks like running backs are getting a lot better now coming off those uh um achilles tears but it's i mean it was the running game that was getting you guys going man in the defense that defense it's still ferocious but if you're if your offense can't keep the defense off the field and keep them well rested then it's going to get tired and they're not going to be as effective. Yeah. Yeah, but, like, honestly, though, like, honestly, though, like, I know that we lost Brees Hall and everything,

but me personally as a Jet fan, I'm over that because that was, like, weeks ago because, like, I don't know, me personally as a Jet fan, I kind of move on with that and not make too much excuses of it. But, like, Bam Knight is looking pretty good. I've never heard of this guy until he started running pretty good but james robinson i'm a fan of him if i'm being honest he's looking really slow like he can't get yards man he's can't do it i don't know what's going on like i don't know why he all of a sudden he looks really slow now. He looks slow and chunky. I'm telling you, it's the Achilles tear.

Running backs are almost never the same after that. The only running back who's actually shown that he could be anywhere close to his former self has been Deontay Foreman. He was a good young running back for the Texans who looked like he had a bright future. A few games into his career, or maybe it was a year or so, he tears his Achilles, and he hasn't been the same until this past calendar year where he's really, really looked good. Yeah, or for example, I know it's not the same injury,

but Adrian Peterson, when he toured the ACL, I think 2011, and then every next year he had an MVP year, like 2,000 yards. But not everybody is going to be like Adrian Peterson. So that's pretty rare. That's kind of a flash in the pan. And ACL tears, you see running backs coming back from that. But it's usually they take a whole season of being not very good before the very next season after that where they're lighting it up.

Saquon Barkley, for instance. He tore his ACL, came back last season. He was awful. And this season he's been awesome. Dalvin Cook. In his rookie year, he tore his ACL. He came back his sophomore year. Sucked.

Ever since then, the years since then, he's been one of the best running backs in the league. But Achilles tears are kind of a different deal where it takes you a year where you're not going to be very good. Then the year after, you're going to be lighting it up just like before. And I think that's probably going to be the same thing with Brees Hall, sadly. Because I was pulling for him. And that has nothing to do with the fact I've drafted him in two fantasy leagues.

I mean, Brees Hall, he's only a rookie, though. But we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But, like, with Saquon, though, I like Saquon Barkley. But the problem with the whole Giants is that, like, they're running him to the ground. And, like, if Saquon Barkley can't get yards, then the Giants always can't do much anything. Hopefully, Odell goes to the Giants.

I don't know if Giants fans want that. Me, personally, if I'm a Giants fan, I don't want Odell Beckham because he tore two ACLs already. That's what I said. I'm kind of off the Odell Beckham because he tore two ACLs already. That's what I said. I'm kind of off the Odell Beckham wagon. I like Odell Beckham, but the ACLs, man. So, Brian, that's the second guess that we've had so far. So the guy who was on before you, Connor Fallon, said the exact same thing. But Brian has other thoughts.

Yeah, I mean, the uh the giants they're just a really okay they're i'm not gonna say that they're a really lucky team but they're winning these games with a little bit of fate you know i mean uh like but you can't take it away because the giants beat some pretty tough teams like they beat the ravens they beat the texans i'm not the texans they beat the titans uh who else wouldans. They beat the Titans. Who else would they beat? They'd be pretty good teams. I feel like they lost to the Cowboys twice. Yeah, but both of those games, you could have easily

won. I don't know. From now on, I just feel like Giants are going to get hot. They're going to be the team to beat. Call me delusional. When I come back, just know i started it right here giant's gonna win on sunday then giant's gonna go and they're gonna beat the commanders because they tied them they'd be like nah you know what mess that whatever that was we played like crap

we're gonna come we're gonna beat you guys they're gonna beat the commanders they might lose to like the coach or whatever the viking but then they'll just run the table after that. I feel like the Giants will lose one game in the next stretch. All right. Well, I'm going to have you back on the show when this all happens. For sure. And you can tell us all that you told us so. How about that? Oh, yeah.

You don't have to tell me. I wasn't planning on doing that already. All right. Well, the spirit. Oh, yeah. Well, guess what? What's up? So I got a Jets jersey for my birthday. And it was a Zach Wilson jersey, which I think I might have regret buying that now.

But. Ah. Yeah. All right. Well, we have another special guest on so john hey so you're so john warren we've been friends for a pretty long time but i i'm pretty sure this is this is your first time on the show so john welcome on yeah and uh why don't you introduce yourself to some of our new listeners? So, yeah, I'm John. Me and Adam have been hometown friends for a while.

And, yeah, I just wanted to pop in for the anniversary. All right, welcome. I appreciate you joining us. And you're here just in time for us to start on our next segment where we're going to talk about the Rams. So removed from a world championship, and it's very rare that a team coming off of a Super Bowl misses the playoffs the next season.

The Rams not only are not going to make the playoffs, most likely, but, and then some. I believe they are right now the third worst team in all of football based on record. So we're going to touch on that next. Don't go anywhere. You're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football and they're saying it's a catch.

It's a catch! It's a catch! Sideline! Touchdown! Unbelievable! Swings it way down the field to Watkins! Sammy Watt takes for the touchdown! Welcome back. You are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright here with CJ Medeiros, Justin Tucker, special guests Brian Sierra, Aaron Wise, and John Warren. All right. So as I teased right before this segment the rams not uh four and nine coming

off a world championship so they not only that but they're now without matthew stafford and cooper cup for the season and they've been without uh alan robinson even though when even when he has been around he hasn't really been his true self. And on top of that, meanwhile, Detroit over there, courtesy of the Rams, will now have two first-round picks. And their highest one is going to be the Rams at, I believe, it's number four right now. Either three or four, right? I know they were three when I was researching for this topic, it was right before Thursday night football. And they, they, they pulled off

that miraculous win of course, with, with their new quarterback Baker Mayfield. But guys, so this all in approach that the Rams took and it did get a super, they did get a super bowl out of it. But do you guys have any, any different, any new thoughts on it ever since this has happened? John, I'll start with you. Yeah, I mean, I guess you see it all the time, just teams going on like a run. And to be completely honest with you, I mean,

it looks like all the injuries kind of caught up to Matt Stafford really quickly. I mean, I thought they were you know, like all the injuries kind of caught up to Matt Stafford really quickly. I mean, I thought they were going to be pretty solid this year, but they had that major loss to their own line. As well as they had losses, honestly, with Robert Woods gone. And then now they literally are only throwing to Cooper Cup as it looked like Allen Robinson was just inconsistent. So, doing all of it, yeah, it was really surprising, you know, just to see it all.

It's kind of very interesting. So, the other time, you know detroit's looking pretty good so all right well we actually have so before we before we continue we have another special guest bryant johnson so another kid who i've known for a couple of years this is your first time being on the show as well so bryant welcome back to the show um Why don't you introduce yourself to our listeners, if you can hear us? Oh, yeah, I can hear you guys. So I'm Bryant. I went to school with Adam and John, and I'm an avid Colts fan.

And, you know, it's been a very disappointing year for us. But more disappointing than the Rams, actually. I had very high expectations, as they all know, from my fantasy picks, Michael Pittman. But it's really been disappointing. I'm glad to be here, you know. So what are we talking about? The Rams? Yeah, so we're talking about the Rams.

So, again, 4-9 just a year after they won a Super Bowl. So they made this all-in approach. There was literally, like, you know, the slogan, F them picks. And are they saying that now? Like, so, like, do you think it's still a good idea to go all-in on these championships? And I'll go to you, Brian. What do you think? I'm going to say first, Jalen Ramsey's a fake.

No, I'm just kidding. Jalen Ramsey's fake. No, I'm just kidding. Jalen Ramsey's locked down. But I just, right now, I think it's kind of the injuries that are plaguing them. But also, you know, I think a lot of people are starting to figure out that Sean McVay system, you know. So, I think that plays a role. But also, just like, just the team in general as in staying healthy. And a lot of the moves they made they really didn't need to make like the alan robinson move like everybody really

knew that al robinson's got a number two receiver he thrives when he's the number one target number two target to cooper top that would have been fine just having sporadic there but i'm starting to see them like figure out their path and i don't really think like i don't remember i think next year they'll have a nice bounce back here but you know selling all the picks is just that's gonna cost them because they're not gonna have any new talent coming in yeah that's a pretty good point and like alan robinson now that i mean and you think about it now like alan robinson's always been the number one guy no matter where he's been, whether it's been Jacksonville or Chicago. And he's thrived in that spot.

And it's, I mean, you could make an argument that it's because of, he gets all that volume from all the targets, and that racks up all the production that he gets. But Aaron, what are your thoughts on the rams this year um personally i'm i'm a little bit i was a little bit surprised that there are 419 because before the season started i thought they were gonna be like one of the best teams in nfl and uh you know what the whole uh trying to think of the uh hangover is usually is usually the team that loses the Super Bowl, usually has a big hangover, which I thought was going to be the Bengals, but they exceeded that.

I think they were like eight and four. So I thought it would be the Bengals and the Rams were going to still be fine. But, yeah, a lot has been the injuries. And also, too, me personally, I the rams don't seem all that motivated i don't know they just they already got a ring they probably like they're probably thinking i don't really got anything else to prove really i already got my paycheck i'm good yeah that's what i got with the rams but i mean they did win a super bowl and they went all in for it and that's what they got and maybe they wanted more than just one

super bowl but i mean they could get better after this year they they still have their pieces they're going to get cooper cut back next year and they have they still have matthew stafford whenever he gets healthy maybe that maybe next year they get right again you never know baker yeah you think baker will be the future come on man they come on they won it they went in for they they went in for they traded all of that those assets for matthew stafford they you got to roll with your guy especially if you won you a super bowl all right uh brian what are your thoughts i mean people ask themselves do they win or lose that uh stafford trade any team who wins the super bowl after the trade wins that trade but at what cost

you know they gave away all their picks they signed basically everybody who kind of helped them win that super bowl to big contracts you look at aaron donald big contract look at jaylen ramsey big contract look at stafford big contract um kind of knew, that's kind of like a recipe for disaster. Not really, because you win a Super Bowl, like it's an odd situation. Like when you see teams who go all in, they usually stick around for like two, three years. Like you see the Buccaneers, they win the Super Bowl, but they come back, they're still the Buccaneers. You know what I mean? They're no pushover. They're Chiefs. They win the Super Bowl. They still stick around. They're not no pushover. Even when Tom Brady left the Patriots, they made it to the playoffs like a few years with matt jones

even though it was one year like they didn't have a drop off how like this rams had a crazy drop off i feel like players really have been having like a bad string of luck like jaylen ramsey he's playing good defense but these every it's like every receiver who plays against jaylen ramsey is like randy moss you know like they're making these crazy catches everybody's going crazy playing against jaylen rams he's not a bad corner by any means it's just he's getting really unlucky they're having a really bad stretch of luck cooper cup getting hurt um stafford getting hurt um losing a lot of games have no picks i kind of see they're still a good team. Like they have the players to become a good team. I feel like it's not like they don't have the talent to win games.

It's just like bad luck, bad Super Bowl hangover, I guess you would say. That's really all I have to say about that. Hopefully they can start kicking it up maybe next year. I feel like they still have enough talent to be a pretty good team, somebody to be scared of. But just this year didn't go to plan, I think. All right. CJ.

I'm not going to tell you whether or not they won the Matt Stafford trade. I'm not going to. I mean, we all know they're in a Super Bowl hangover. But this, this season, this epic collapse, if you will, I think is indicative of a much more serious question. Selling out your team's immediate future for a year, maybe two, of a wide open Super Bowl window, is it really worth it?

Now, obviously, there's no right or wrong answer. I mean, we're all entitled to what we think but bear in mind this team's not going to be good for a while sean mcveigh there's been hints that he might leave and he already has a broadcasting deal lined up when he goes aaron donald was this close to retiring last season jalen ramsey hasn't really been all that good this year. Injuries abound. Stafford's old. So, and you got to remember, look at all of these awful, awful contracts that they're still going to have to pay out years down the line. And someone said to me, hey, don't worry.

They'll be good again in three years. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Three years is probably when they're going to have a clean slate. Three years is when they can start rebuilding. So in reality, they're probably not going to be good for like six to seven years. But I mean, as your organization falls apart around you and your team reverts back into something, Jeff Fisher wouldn't look at twice.

I guess the real question is, is it worth it? I mean, one Superbowl for like a decade maybe of failure i don't know i'd grapple with that one all right talk all right if i'm looking at the ram season as a whole for what our projections were for the rams to what they are now it's been an abysmalmal season. Matthew Stafford has looked overrated in my eyes. He hasn't looked the same. Cooper Cup is injured. Allen Robinson isn't the same. Even when he doesn't get targets, and even when he does get targets,

they're almost never completed. That defense isn't what they once were. Jalen Ramsey, every time I watch his games, feels like he's getting burnt on every play. I don't know what it is. He's supposed to be this all-pro corner, but it's just one of those years where he's just having a bad year by his standards. Just overall, this team is just having a major Super Bowl slump. So when CJ started to bring up about is it worth it, at the same time, what they're're going through it doesn't feel like it but we

got to remember they did win a super bowl if you do sell out and win a super bowl yes it is worth it i don't care what the end results may come we can deal with that down the line but if you have an opportunity to win a super bowl championship you take that and you run with it i don't care if i'm not good for the next two years, three years, however long it takes. If I can get a Super Bowl ring to, you know, I want to say congratulate our fans or whatever and congratulate our players, you're damn right I'm going for it. I'm going for a Super Bowl title. And I'm not going to be apologetic for it if I go all in now just to get it. So it's a slump.

It's a hangover. But at the same time, it's well worth the hangover because of what they achieved last year. All right. So maybe you can – What's up? I got a special guest. I'm with a friend that wants to say something about the Rams.

All right. Let's hear it. It wasn't something general. Jalen Ramsey is a frog this year. Is a frog what? He's a frog. He's getting burned. Burned left and right.

Maybe by the grade. Maybe they're the best receivers in the league, but you want to be with the best. You got to hang with the best. Can he do it this year? No. They're 4-9. Okay.

It's just something. I heard no lies. He is having a down year, I will say. He's been kind of up and down just throughout his career. That's something like Not this up and down. Not this down. Yeah, this year's down.

But in other years, he's been all pro caliber now every every corner does get burned and i think our standards for for a top corner are just so high and in today's league in today's nfl where it's just kind of offense based when you put usually when you put the best wide receiver in the game against the best corner in the game, the wide receiver wins out. It's just kind of today's day and age in the NFL. But looking at this Rams team, I mean, you could call it a Super Bowl hangover, but usually you don't experience those with a Super Bowl win. Usually you make the playoffs.

And out of the 55 Super Bowl victors, 16 of them have missed the playoffs. That's it. Most of the time you make it. And I believe there's only been like one in the past 15 years. One, two. Somewhere around that. I know the – didn't the Giants miss both times after they won theirs in the past 15 years? I don't know, but Denver did.

Denver – yeah, Denver did. Yeah, I know Baltimore did. When Joe Flacco won that Super Bowl the next year, they went 8-8 and missed. Yeah. So there's been a handful. I'm just thinking off the top of my head. But usually, like, what I think this is is kind of just bad injury luck and the inability to replace.

And I'm blanking on their left tackles. Andrew Whitworth, their inability to replace him. Noteboom was supposed to be the guy to replace him because in the small sample size that we had where Whitworth wasn't able to play, he was good. He was good. I mean, he helped get past the Buccaneers in that one playoff game in the divisional round against that elite pass rush for the Buccaneers.

He helped him get passed. But this season, over a full season, he hasn't been that good. Also, he's hurt. That's another thing. So there's that. Then Cooper Cupp gets hurt. I mean, and on top of that, even when Stafford has time to throw, he has always been kind of – he hasn't been the most accurate.

Last year he threw 17 picks, which I believe was league leading. 17 interceptions. And on top of that, then you lose your left tackle. You're not able to replace him. And then the guy you try to replace him with gets hurt. And then you're going to turn the ball over a few more times and then get hurt. And on top of that, Allen Robinson has not been able to replace the production that Odell Beckham Jr. brought and that Robert Woods brought before him as the wide receiver too. And Cam Akers hasn't been the same guy since coming

back from the Achilles tear. It was impressive seeing him come back so quick because Achilles tears are death sentences usually for running backs careers, but he still hasn't looked like his old self. And until he can show that he was what he was the promising young kid before he tore it, then that's kind of what it's going to be. So, I mean, it's kind of just bad injury luck. That's kind of the way I see it. Yeah, you could argue that. So, like, I don't know.

I just don't believe. Like, when it comes to winning the Super Bowl, I just don't believe in Super Bowl hangovers. Because teams make the playoffs left and right after winning a Super Bowl. It's losing the Super Bowl that really, really kills you. No matter how good you look the season after, what you do in free agency, the draft, I mean you you don't look the same i mean the it's impressive what the bengals are doing right now a year after um a year after losing the super bowl and that offensive line that looked improved it looked like they they turned it they turned a corner complete 180 not really it's the same deal uh joe burrow is still the second most sacked quarterback in all of football so um but do we have do we have any other thoughts before we move on to our next segment yeah yeah i got one um talk i guess the biggest difference too is honestly age like you got to think about like when they were going for that run you know they also had Vaughn Miller that was you know just by himself it's not

your force and like you see the name Vaughn Miller you're gonna have to game plan against him and him going to Buffalo honestly I think is an underrated loss that people don't talk about because seriously like he was like it's Vaughn Miller like he's still that guy yeah there's no replacing him yeah even though they have linebackers like floyd or aaron donald like you still no matter what you do you can't replace yeah mm-hmm yeah i mean it happens in everything else but it just speaks on like honestly like it speaks more if anything on like the success of the Bengals, just because of how young, how talented that wide receiver core is the best wide receiver core right now in the NFL, for sure, hands down.

And I mean, yeah, it just speaks to that and just the youth that they had and really just seeing like going all in um it like it works but you know you just deal with the consequences afterwards because you can get like a one and done type deal like um the miami heat did that back in the day they pretty much went all in got that and then they kind of were like mid for like the longest time so before lebron but uh yeah anyways um thanks for having me i gotta run but uh it's been a pleasure all right thanks john thanks for joining us all right that was john warren he's been a follower of the show that was his first time on so uh we appreciate you joining us and hope to have you on again. All right, guys.

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This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright here, CJ Medeiros, Justin Tucker, special guests Aaron Wise and Brian Sierra. All right, we have reached the Fumble Rooski Fantasy Fix. And on Fridays, we have our Stardom Sit-Ums. So your official week 14 Stardom Sit-Ums for fantasy football by the Fumble Rooski podcast. Starting off with running backs, as always, we're going to start Deontay Foreman at Seattle and Ezekiel Elliott versus Houston. We're going to

sit Bam Knight at Buffalo and Leonard Fournette at San Francisco. For wide receivers, we're going to start Jerry Judy versus Kansas City and Marquise Brown versus New England. We're going to sit Darius Slayton versus Philly and Gabriel Davis versus the Jets. As for tight ends, we're going to start TJ Hawkinson at Detroit and Hunter Henry at Arizona. For sits, we're going with Tyler Conklin at Buffalo and Evan Engram at Tennessee. For quarterbacks, we're going to start Kirk C Kirk cousins at Detroit and Derek car at the Rams. Uh, for sits,

we're going to go with Tom Brady at San Francisco and Daniel Jones versus Philly, uh, for defense. We're going to start Cardinals versus New York, uh, excuse me, versus new England,

uh, chiefs at Denver. Uh, We're going to start Cardinals versus New York, excuse me, versus New England. Chiefs at Denver. We're going to sit the Vikings at Denver, excuse me, at Detroit, and the Jets at Buffalo. All right. So I'll let our guests chime in a little bit. Do you guys have any – give us – and try to be brief because we're running hot we're running pretty far up there on time give us give us a stardom uh i don't have any stardoms but when you said

sit there is slayton that's kind of uh i understand maybe i mean i may be biased as a giant maybe okay so the best team in the league according to you okay but like okay okay but but look at these stats last game six receptions 90 yards average 15 yards per game i mean 15 yards per catch the game before that three catches 63 yards the game before that five catches 86 yards the game before that three catches 90 95 yards the game before that five catches 66 yards he's putting up the numbers that he has to be even though you might think oh he's on the giants not a number one receiver he's a fifth round pick he's putting those numbers up he's had up the numbers that he has to be. Even though you might think, oh, he's on the Giants, he's not a number one receiver, he's a fifth-round pick. He's putting those numbers up. He's had that chemistry with Dana Jones since he's been with the league,

and the numbers just keep getting better and better and better ever since they've been having the injury bug. So I just feel like Darius Slayton might be a little bit, like, you know, he might be tough. I'm starting him. You'd want to start him? I would start him. He started for me.

All right. So the reason why I don't have him as a start is because he's the only – so I agree with you. I really like Darius Slayton. I think he's one of the more underrated wide receivers out there. And especially through a fantasy football perspective, he's been – especially for the past month or so, he's been performing. The reason I have him as a sit is because he's facing that for the past month or so he's been he's been performing uh the reason i

have him as a sit is because he's facing that philly defense and philly ranks number five in yards allowed against wide receivers and they only have one guy to focus on in darius layton so it's going to be easy to game plan for a wide receiver who's going to be the only one. And Philly knows it. That's the guy who Daniel Jones is going to target. And besides a few dump-offs to Saquon Barkley, that's really going to be it. So that's kind of my logic there.

And looking at the wide receivers, the teams that they've been going against, Washington, they've been kind of middle of the pack against wide receivers. Dallas has been solid. Trevon Diggs is a little bit overrated. I like him. He's a playmaker, but if you look at yards allowed, he allowed almost 1,000 yards last season.

And he's on pace to do it again this year. Detroit, they're still young in the secondary. Houston, they have Derek Stingley Jr., who's been stingy, pun intended. But then there's Seattle. Scoring 11 points against Seattle and Tariq Woolen, it's pretty impressive because that kid's not allowing any yards. Jacksonville, where he got 15 points. That team's still young in the secondary.

As good as he's been and as underrated as he is, he has been taking advantage of defenses that are just kind of okay against wide receivers. And now he's going up against Philly. And I think the only thing he has going for him is that you can pretty much bet on it that the Giants are going to be playing from behind. So game script is going to be in this guy's favor. Because they're going to have to throw it a lot in order to stay in the game. But other than that, the secondary is really good. I mean, it's really

good. If you have James Bradbury as your number two corner to Darius Slay, wow. That's a good secondary. And I just think it's going... He's due to put up one of those duds, and people will be reminded for, you know, that he's a good wide receiver, but he's not great. He's not the type whose matchup proof wear.

It doesn't matter what the matchup is, the Justin Jefferson, the Stephon Diggs. It doesn't matter what the matchup is. You set it and you forget it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do you guys have any other thoughts before we end the show tonight?

I don't know if you said his name. Did you start Garrett Wilson? So Garrett Wilson for me has kind of become that one guy that I'm starting regardless. He's getting to that level where – and you probably could have started it. I probably could have included him. But I wanted to go a different direction because I believe he has a pretty good matchup, and he's been lighting it up. Garrett Wilson.

Yeah, like the past games, he had eight catches, 162 yards, five catches, 95 yards. Against the Patriots, he didn't really do too hard, two for 12. But then you look at the Bills, eight for 92. Patriots, again, the game before that, that six for 115 he's putting up the numbers no matter he's I might think it might be too early to say this he might be quarterback proof you know I'm saying because he's putting good numbers up with Zach Wilson he's putting up good numbers with Mike White how good those two are yet we can kind of see where Zach Wilson's at but we really don't know how good Mike White is yeah and another reason why I have him as why I would start him regardless,

he's facing Buffalo. And as I said before with Slayton, game script is going to be in his favor because the Bills just throw up a million points. And in order to keep up with that offense, they're going to have to throw it a lot. And Garrett Wilson's going to be at the front of the line there and also buffalo is not actually that good defending against uh wide receivers this year they're just 21st in the league and a lot of that has to do with uh uh uh tre davis white uh being out and he he has just come back but it takes some time to come back from an acl tear

and the kid they took in the first round the wide receipt uh the court the corner um i believe he's he's still out so they have those two set they have the two safeties in micah hyde and jordan poyer but that's kind it. And they've been kind of middling against – what's up? Oh, sorry. Sorry, I actually had something to add too with this. I think no bias. I'm not trying to say I have bias because I'm a Jet fan, but I would start Garrett Wilson.

It's because the Bills' defense, they can't just focus on Garrett Wilson all the time. Because Corey Davis is back. Elijah Moore is there. And we got tight ends. And we have a quarterback that actually knows what he's doing. And that just runs around with his head cut off. So, yeah, that too. And Von Miller is up for the year.

And I don't remember who that other linebacker, what's his name, Milano? I don't remember what his name is. But that other Bills linebacker, I heard he's going to play this Sunday. Yeah, yeah, I heard he's questionable. So, like, that opens up for all the receivers to get open. So, yeah, and the Bills defense, they can't focus on one guy because they do that. Then Cordes can get open. Then that. That court doesn't get open. That last more is going to get open.

So I think we're good. Yeah, I agree. I think that wide receiver core for the Jets is actually kind of underrated. And they have – like Corey Davis has always been underrated to me, even going back to his Titans days was he was a pretty solid number two to aj brown i thought he was i thought he was pretty solid with with the role he played especially when you have ryan tannehill as your quarterback i think that's pretty good that's not bad they they worked with what they had and i think cory davis especially i mean and he's playing well

with the jetsets as well. And you talk about Elijah Moore. He was putting up good numbers last year, so we see the potential. Yeah, I completely agree with you there. What's up? Oh, yeah, yeah. I got one more to add with this. And the first time we played Buffalo, they gave up 174 yards on the ground, so we also just run it two.

Hopefully it works again. Hopefully it works again. Hopefully they didn't figure this out, but I decided to put that out there. All right. Yeah, we'll see how it works. All right. You guys have any other thoughts before we end the show tonight? Nope. All right. alright you guys have any other thoughts before we end the show tonight nope

alright well Aaron thanks for joining us again it's always a pleasure Brian welcome to the show I appreciate you coming on hope to have you on soon I'll be back next week after the challenge play

oh my hey hey hey just remember who's also rooting for him you know what I'm saying back next week after the Giants play. Oh, my God. Hey, hey, hey, remember, just remember who's also rooting for him, you know what I'm saying? No friendly fire. All right. Well, that'll do it for us tonight. What's up? I got one more thing.

I got a question. I got a question. Are you a Patriots fan? Who? You. Yes. All right. question. Are you a Patriots fan? Who? You. Yes. All right. I think CJ's a Patriots. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to beat Philly. I want to beat Philly. I don't want the people of Philadelphia to have anything nice. All right. All right. So since you two are Patriots fans, okay, I'm a Jet fan, right? Yep.

I hate to say this, okay? We're good friends, man. But the Patriots have to lose to the Cardinals, bro. Okay? They have to lose. Because you want your Jets to make the playoffs. I'm getting nervous. I'm getting nervous. I'm getting nervous, man, because if we lose, you guys win.

We're out. I'm getting nervous. It's okay. Yeah, but guys win. We're out. I'm getting nervous. It's okay. Yeah, but there's still five games left. I'm not sure if I'm – You should be used to it now. I'm not sure if I'm completely – I'm not sure if I have full confidence in the Patriots to make it,

even if they do win this weekend. So I think you might be set there. Oh, it looks like, it looks like Brian left. But all right, but we do need to end the show tonight. So do you have any other thoughts, anything else?

No, I'm good. Nope. All right. Well, that'll do it for us tonight. Thank you for listening to us. We have new episodes out Tuesdays and Fridays at 7 30 PM.

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