The Fumblerooski Podcast - Anything Is Possible -Ep 419 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

On today’s episode, special guest Rob from Patrio7s joins the show to talk about Championship Weekend! Is Jarrett Stidham the answer this weekend for the Broncos? Can the Pats defense put up the sam...e performance they have had the last 2 games? A division rematch between the Seahawks and Rams should provide a lot of fireworks, but can Sam Darnold be up for the task and not blow it like last year? Chris Costich, Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, and special guest Rob from Patrio7s talk all this and more!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode of the Fullmerusky podcast, it's NFL championship weekend. Patriots head to Denver to take on Jared Stidham and the Broncos and the Seahawks look to get the job done against MVP favorite Matthew Stafford. This is the Fullerowski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver. is the rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.
Starting point is 00:00:37 Welcome to the Fumbarouski podcast by Power 88 Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Chris Kostitch and we got CJ, we got Adam, and we got special guest Rob from the, from Patriots, P-A-T-R-I-O-7S. Rob, thanks for joining the pod today. Appreciate y'all having me. Got a good one for us in store and obviously NFL championship weekend and boy, the story the storylines just write themselves and this is what makes
Starting point is 00:01:06 football amazing. I just love football so much. Let's start with the AFC championship since that's the 3 o'clock game and lo and behold, we're all Pat's fans, so it makes even better sense to do that. Obviously, the big story for this weekend, Jared Stidham's starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos with Bo Nicks having the broken ankle and done for the rest of the playoffs. Still, I mean, I'm still thinking about just that. one hour span of the Broncos winning that game and then an hour later, Bo Nix,
Starting point is 00:01:37 Sean Payne's up at the podium and saying he's done for the rest of playoffs. Just one of the more surreal moments, I think that we have really seen in the NFL and at least in recent memory. Patriots are four and a half point favorites on the road, which, well, the Vegas ended up to give up point back to Denver for this week, opened up at five and a half. But one of the other big storylines too, of course, is, well, Drake May. Drake May. And the reality really is, well, it's the schedule.
Starting point is 00:02:11 It's the week this, the week that. But the other reality is that Drake May has a chance to do something that no other quarterback has done, which is beat three top five defenses in the league en route to a Super Bowl. Texans and Chargers both top five. I think Texans were top three. Denver, of course, being the best defense in the league. I could have that
Starting point is 00:02:35 a little bit mixed up, but either way, still top five defenses and could be a very historical about that. But in terms of the game, Rob, we'll start with you. Opening thoughts and how are we feeling going into this weekend?
Starting point is 00:02:51 They're going to blow the doors off them. Look, I At the end of the day, Sean Payton and every, just about every Broncos player is just giving Bullets and board material. And we're hearing all the noise. Schedule this, schedule that. I don't give a crap personally. At the end of the day, it's just like the ball has to be played.
Starting point is 00:03:12 And Jared said, hasn't touched the football for years and played against a starting caliber team. I don't care what he did with the Raiders. I don't care if he practiced in his backyard. At the end of the day, this is live action. and he hasn't played all year. The preseason doesn't count to me. You're going to be going in an AFC championship. It's going to be a shock in the system.
Starting point is 00:03:32 And then you're going against one of the best defenses in football. I don't care. Like, something that really bothers me is that Broncos fans, I've seen too much content on the internet about how J.K. Dobbins all in there like snickering. It's like, yeah, you guys don't know what you're getting into. So J.K. Dobbins is all of a sudden better than B. John Robinson. J.K. Dobbins is all of a sudden better than James Cook. I want to know what the hell is in their Kool-A.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Because at the end of the day, when Milton Williams is healthy, and you have Robert Splain also as a linebacker and told that part of the defense, they did not get over 49 yards. So if you can't do that against a defense like this and you become one-dimensional and you have a quarterback that has been known to turn over the ball and have a little bit of happy feet, what the hell you're going to do? You become one-dimensional and you can't run the ball and you can't bleed out the clock and a defense that's punching you in the mouth consistently,
Starting point is 00:04:27 I would like to know what you can do. Because that offensive line is spectacular, but you still played against, you gave up, you only won by two points against the Jets. You had to meet a miraculous fourth quarter comeback against the Giants. I'm telling you right now, you can mark it down right now. They're going to blow the doors off them. I like it.
Starting point is 00:04:48 I like it. I love the confidence, Rob, because that's more than what I've been feeling. That's for sure. Because the problem with me. Just indigestion, dude. You got, you need some peptobismal. I might.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I might. I don't know. Maybe it's because that the Pats, even during the Brady era, can never beat Denver in the playoffs, 0 and 3 to be more exact. And I guess that's still in the back of my mind. But maybe I'm also 0. And 4?
Starting point is 00:05:13 O'N 4. Yeah, but how is that relative to now? Because we've been here about all these things. And, I mean, Mike Rable in his first year, had already passed the landmark for most wins as a Patriot's head coach. in the first year. So we're already hidden precedence. Yeah. So we can't go based off of previous years because we don't know. We don't know if they could beat them in Denver.
Starting point is 00:05:36 We don't know if that's even going to affect us. And with this constant bulletin board material, I'm sorry for cutting you off, with this constant bulletin board material, I mean, Kayshan Bouthey originally just came out and said that, hey, listen, they were talking about they have two weeks of rest. He's like, oh, they can rest in Cancun. Would you hear what Patrick Sartan said in response to that? It's just going back and forth now. I personally don't care because their defense is when they versed top quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:06:07 they have given up 30 points per game. They beat up on bad teams. Meanwhile, we beat up on good teams. What do we hear about this Texans team, the great historic defense? What did we hear about the Chargers team coming into? What did we do to both these teams? I'll leave it at that. You guys can.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Well, said, Adam. Well, you spoke back. Go to CJ. Okay, CJ. No, no, no, go. Go to Adam. Go to Adam. Go to go.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Go, damn it. All right, fine. I guess it's going to be me. Oh. Once again, much like you said, Rob, I like Chris, probably got some of the indigestion in me. For me, look, Denver, look, with the past aside, the past, even that, let's just say it doesn't matter. Denver is still, like, a notoriously tough place to play. You know, the high altitude breathes funny.
Starting point is 00:07:00 I don't know if you guys watch the podcast, dudes on dudes with Jules and Gronk. You had both Edelman and Gronkowski saying how much of a hellscape Denver is to play in. And another thing, too, that Denver has going for them is we all know this. We're all fans. You've all been watching for years.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Games are won and loss in the trenches. Garrett Bowles and Quinn Miners, both of above 90 PFF grades. And I know we're probably all not the biggest PFF fans, but they're only good, for grading lineman and let's be honest that's about it and in you other guys like powers and wittenberg and mcquinchy they're all still pretty good i want to see that new england front get pressure on stidham which i think they can and my weakness i think for new england which
Starting point is 00:07:45 just feels weird to say that the offensive line like especially the left side with campbell and wilson they've been getting pushed around like cinder blocks on skates it's been really weird to see because Campbell I think I don't think it's his arms I don't think it's his foot placement I don't think it's his hands I just think it's that he's a rookie it's the same thing for Jared Wilson too although he's just had more ups and downs I hope it's his knee oh yeah that I hope it's his knee and he's not just he's not just struggling you know what I mean yeah so going against Nick Benito who's ever who's a known speed rusher could be a bit of a problem. Jonathan Cooper has also cooled off, so I have full confidence that Morgan
Starting point is 00:08:30 Moses is going to be able to handle him. But as a whole, though, what's his name there? In the middle, they're Jones. That's it. Jones is also, he's a bit of a gamer too. Sir Tan, of course, you're kind of going to have to employ that throw wherever Sir Tan is not. But they got burnt toast, Riley Moss on the other side. I don't know. how many Broncos games you've watched, but Riley Moss is awful. Walking DPI, too. Unironically, yeah. Wasn't there a stat that he has the most DPI's on this year, or am I thinking of a different guy?
Starting point is 00:09:08 I think you hit it right on the head. And you know who's in second is Carlton Davis. So get ready to yell at you. I'm going to do a lot of years. Oh, yeah, the DPI bowl, hell yeah. So what scares me for Denver the most, though, is the fact they have six. 71 sacks on the year. And, you know, we've seen Drake May fumble a lot in these playoffs.
Starting point is 00:09:31 But the thing is, it's not like he's turtling in the pocket, bracing for the hit and, you know, and losing the ball. No, he's getting hit while he's throwing. You know, he's cocking his arm back and the defender's just kind of poking the ball out, which we can say May is to feel the pressure. And maybe that's true. But a lot of that's just on the line. Like, if you're getting hit while you're throwing, then you're off.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Then I don't know what to tell you. as a whole, God help me. I am begrudgingly tilting Denver, probably by one. I loki think we're going to be in for a really ugly game. Because Stidham, I think he'll be a game manager, but I also think he's going to make his mistakes. But if he does win this game, then once he leaves Denver and has to play at a neutral site,
Starting point is 00:10:16 he's going to get stomped. So it is what it is. Adam? Let's be clear. When people make the argument that Bo Nix is an average to above average quarterback and then turn around and say, without Bo Nix, you can't win this game, that's an oxymoron. If you really believe that Bo Nix is an average to above average quarterback, which I don't think he is, I think he's actually a pretty solid quarterback. I don't think he has the same abilities as the other kids from the draft class, especially from the other. side line.
Starting point is 00:10:55 If Jared, if we're betting on Jared Stidham to just make one, just one start where he's just average to above average, let's be clear about the Broncos. No one is looking at the Broncos and saying they're afraid of Bo Nix. When they look at the Broncos, they look at the overall team. I've made this argument all season long in favor of the Broncos being a formidable team to beat in the playoffs. elite offensive line, good offensive mind in Sean Peyton, borderline, I would say Hall of Famer, elite defense, and arguably the best home field advantage in football. You could say Arrowhead, but I would say the thin air really brings, really puts them over the top.
Starting point is 00:11:43 And when you bring up that it's a tough place to play in, when you bring up the fact that the Patriots is a franchise. or O and four in that stadium. If you want to say the 80s one is irrelevant, sure, I completely agree. But the fact that Brady's O'N3, the fact that Brady's O'N3, it highlights that it's a tough place to play it. It's just extremely hard to play it. So when you look at those two factors, and I don't love the back and forth between the Broncos and the Patriots right now, I think this is a.
Starting point is 00:12:21 easy game to overlook. I would tilt the Patriots, but something about this young team just has me feeling uneasy. Denver's a very tough place to play in, and I would lean, I would lean the Broncos, but this, I would, I would look at this game as a coin flip. I think, I'll give you, I'll give you this pro Patriots thought. I think we're going to find out very early. on how this game is going to go. If Jarrett Stidham looks terrible early in the game, I don't think he's rebounding from that. He has to start fast.
Starting point is 00:13:00 If the Patriots start out poorly, I think they have a chance to rebound from that because they've done that before. They've played a lot of their best football in the second half, even at the end of the second quarter. They've really executed that double score very well. I think I give the Broncos a much narrower path to win to win this game but they still have a path and it's prominent.
Starting point is 00:13:30 And there's a reason why it's one of the best home field advantages in all of football. So there's my case right there. Can I just say real quick, they're pedestrian for about three quarters of the game. I don't think you can play pedestrian against this because you're not going to be able to win playing good against. And I think that the Patriots defense is hitting on all cylinders at the right time. And if Cidum is good, it's not going to be good enough. They're going to need great. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:14:02 I don't mean to cut you off, but can I just get a clarification on their pedestrian, the team or is it Bo Nix? Their offense in general. Their offense in general is just pedestrian. And if we're, this is my biggest thing. Just as you said, it's an oxymoron. That's also Denver Broncos fans showing their ass because they're saying, hey, listen, well, he's, he, this, it's not that much of a step down. So if you're going to go and say it's not that much of a step down, how are you comparing
Starting point is 00:14:32 Bowenix to Drake May? I didn't. No, no, no, I'm saying Denver Broncos fans because they're saying that like, it's not that much of a drop off if we have Jared Sid them in as opposed to Boonex. So they can't have their cake and eat it too. Well, yeah, that's, that's the argument I had made. You can't say both things at once. It's a lot of the people who said,
Starting point is 00:14:52 who said Bo Nix's average, that he's just an okay quarterback, and then turn around and say, well, Jared Stidham can't play, can play just as well as Bo Nix is. You know what I mean? Like, you can't say that without the player, that you can't win,
Starting point is 00:15:07 and then turn around and say, Bo Nix is out, that that player is just an average player, especially since you went 14 and 3. Like, you can't go 14 and 3 if you're not a good, team, especially if a quarterback is just average to above average. So this is the thing that bothers me, too. Who has the second easiest schedule in the NFL?
Starting point is 00:15:28 It's the Denver Broncos. So when they have versed elite quarterbacks, and what do I would consider Drake May elite quarterback. I mean, he's in the MVP discussion. I would agree. So when they have gone against elite quarterbacks, they have gotten torched. And if Drake may, I'm sorry, like I don't put the text. and the Broncos, yes, they can get to the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:15:50 But in terms of just an overall defense, the Texans is way better. So if Drake May even has a sliver more time and he can play to, because he threw three touchdowns against that Texans defense, could have had more if he just would get a little bit more time in the pocket, woulda could have should have did it regardless. If they're putting up, if they're giving up 30 points per game pretty much around that to elite quarterbacks, what do you think is going to happen when you have to account for?
Starting point is 00:16:19 Because like where are the Patriots weak? Where are their weaknesses? Well, which elite quarterbacks did they get torched by outside of Josh Allen? I'd have to really think about that. But there was a stat that they gave up like 30 points to like elite quarterbacks. I just can search in real quick. They gave up 19 to Patrick. Morehomes.
Starting point is 00:16:48 They did give up 34 to Trevor Lawrence, if you want to call him elite. I mean, he's at an elite season. Yeah. This year, yes, absolutely. They gave up three to Justin Herbert and the Chargers. I wouldn't call him elite, but he's a solid. He's definitely not. Division rival, division rival, I'll call it.
Starting point is 00:17:07 32 against Jackson, but they also split. So the Chargers also beat them earlier in the year. They did, they did, however, beat the Eagles. Eagles scored 17 points on him. I mean, Jalen Hertz is running back at this point. Yeah, I was about to say that could be a conversation. I don't know if we're even considering them elite. And that, I will say those divisions, that division around, I know that, I know that the, I know that the, I know that the bills are rivals, but that game was a coin flip.
Starting point is 00:17:40 And Josh Allen turned it over three times for that. that that is a factor there and are i whether they still put up how much 30 they did put up 30 okay whether we like it or not our current quarterback has turned the ball over a few oh yeah which is i look he's a young kid they those tend to have fumbling issues but we're we're not looking towards the future when he's a veteran we're looking towards now when the patriots are like it or not in championship contention so that is something to to to pay attention to you. I hope the kid and Josh McDaniels are working on their ball security because turnovers are the great equalizer when it comes to playoff football. If they fall into more
Starting point is 00:18:29 turnover trouble, then that could put the game in jeopardy right there. I don't know if you saw the video clip from today. I believe they were doing drills where Drake May and they were doing like a time clock and they're having him get the ball out quick. So they're working on it. But you named the two quotes. So was there any more? Because when we're saying elite, I'm thinking top eight. So we did bring up Josh Allen. We did bring up Patrick Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:18:58 So there's two right there. Trevor Lawrence, I think, has been elite this season. Oh, absolutely this season. 100%. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we can include that one. But, I mean, overall, like, they've had a really good defense this year.
Starting point is 00:19:11 So all I'm saying is I'm just showing respect. back to our adversaries before we face them. I'm not a big fan of trash talking the team that we're about to face because, I mean, think about this argument. This is one that it's a pet peeve of mind.
Starting point is 00:19:30 So let's say you talk trash about a team that you're about to face. You beat the team and then you brag about it. Well, you just said that that team was really bad. You badmouthed them. So why not if you build them up, if they're, you know, these
Starting point is 00:19:45 this is one of the better defenses in the league, three times facing a top five defense in the same postseason and no team has beaten three top five defenses in the same playoffs. That would be a great achievement for the Patriots. And I'm definitely not bad-mouthing this Broncos defense that has Jonathan Cooper, Nick Benito, and that Allen kid on the interior, who I believe is a BC product, by the way, is able to break through. They're a formidable defense. I think. And their offensive line is elite, too.
Starting point is 00:20:20 I think my biggest thing is I'm not so much trashing them as opposed to what I'm trying to bring up the fact that, like, this guy hasn't touched the football in three years. That's why, because it's like a damn. At some point, it's going to break. So at some point, he's going to have to make a special play. And can he bring that out of them when he's played so little football? Look, I've seen miracles happen.
Starting point is 00:20:45 I mean, we've seen Rocky. We've seen what Nick Foles has done. But Nick Foles has an extensive, more of a portfolio of games that he's played with. This guy has played four games, and he hasn't played a snap in two years. So that's why I'm getting, look, they can definitely beat us. It's in Mile High, like you said. My biggest thing is the guy hasn't taken a snap in two years, and I don't count preseason. But we'll see.
Starting point is 00:21:16 No, I agree. I mean, when you, like, obviously we can have all the doubts in the world about it. But like Broncos have a great defense. We're going a mile high. But it's also Jared Stidham. Like the one pass that Jared Stidham through in his time in New England when he was backing up Brady was a pick six. We talked about it on Tuesday, too. So that's how I see that.
Starting point is 00:21:41 And of course, when you bring up the one win, And you also have to bring up the fact that that one was against the 49ers defense, which was the top defense in the league as well at that time. But I think everyone makes some great points. I'm going Patriots, of course, too. You shitting me? Who do you think I am? Also, Josh McDaniels had him not once but twice,
Starting point is 00:22:01 and he wanted him a third time, according to reports. They wanted him when he first came back, when Josh McDaniels first came back. So there's something that he wants to get out of him, or he's just, he has so much experience with Josh McDaniels that he just wants a, a backup who can kind of, who kind of understands the McDaniels offense. Well, what was it that is deep in? But he's wanted him multiple times, but he's only ever been wanted as a backup. So if he's a guy who's making $6 million as a backup and he's brought in to win one game,
Starting point is 00:22:33 I obviously feel, if I'm a Broncos fan, I feel much better if it's just a regular season game or a few. But the championship game, we're only asking him to win one game. a game in which they're home, and you have a defense that is capable of keeping games close. So if the groundwork is there for Jared Stidham, if he has a good game to potentially win it, if things go right,
Starting point is 00:22:58 and the Patriots are right to be favored, and they should win. I'm just looking at a lot of different factors that this young Patriots team, things could go wrong. Yeah. I think that I think he's, uh, Jared Stidham's agent was, I think his, uh, spiel or his pitch for Jared Stedom, either to Vrabel or Peyton, one of the two. I think it was when Vrable was trying to sign him. But, uh, I think the pitch was, uh, if you
Starting point is 00:23:34 don't want your quarterback getting hurt, this is who you sign. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, anything else from this game that we want to touch on. Who to the equivalent does he have as far as Devante Adams or Jacoby Myers? Because that's the game that he had like an exorbitant amount of yards. The only his equivalent at that point would be Cortland Sutton and Troy Franklin, I'd say. And I don't think that Jacobi Myers was there. I think their top past tetras were Devonte Adams and. Oh, yeah, no, Jacobi Wallet went on the paths at that point, I'm pretty sure.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Okay, so he definitely had Devante Adams, I misspoke. But who else did he have? That's a great question. Darren Waller? Darren Waller. Yeah. Okay. Well, Darren Wallers was still a stud.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Josh Jacobs. Who is going to match up to that, like, who's going to be that type of level? The closest one would be R.J. Harvey. And do you mention J.K. Dobbins earlier, too? Like, they just opened up the practice window. And it's like, so don't even know if he, he's even going to be available. He's got a Liz Frank injury,
Starting point is 00:24:45 and he's trying to make a comeback that usually it's a injury that lasts three months. There's also, here's another pro-Patriots thought, now that we're on the running backs, they have a, yeah, so the Broncos do have an elite offensive line. This is probably the best offensive line that the Patriots have faced besides Buffalo.
Starting point is 00:25:07 And the last time Milton Williams and Robert Spillane were healthy, they were able to not only contain, James Cook, but they were able to also get to Josh Allen on the interior, which is arguably, not even arguably, it is the best part of the Patriots Front seven. If they, if, if, if Milton Williams can find a way to break through that interior line, which it looks like there's a really good chance they get their, their, their starting center back from I.R. If he can break through, I'm not sure if Jared Stiddam can survive that. I'm the only reason I'm skeptical is because this is the best offensive line in football.
Starting point is 00:25:47 But Milton Williams has been tested before. Let's see what happens there. But you still have Corey Durdin, Liza Ponder, Kaira, it's like a NASCAR package. So like how much beating can that center take? I agree.
Starting point is 00:26:07 It's the only reason that I'm skeptical of the other guys is it seems like they all play their best when they have Milton Williams there. Because they were all there during the same span of time where the Patriots defense kind of fell apart during the latter half of the season. So look, they're still effective pieces, but they're all rotational pieces.
Starting point is 00:26:27 I mean, Christian Barmore was not nearly the same player once Milton Williams went down to IR. Same thing with Corey Durden, same thing with Chiris Tonga. They lost their players. And then once they, they lost their best, player in that interior, and that made the other ones worse. So the facts that Milton Williams is back, in essence, huge for the Patriots. Spillane being back is also a massive.
Starting point is 00:26:54 If they win, they are going to be X-back factors in this game. There's one thing I'd like to add. It's not even, like, about the game. It's just Denver fans, I just want to point out, we were talking about hypocrisy earlier. I want to bring this up. Denver fans, I'm sure you've seen, have been talking egregious. amounts of shit online and say, oh, you're not ready for Jared Stedham. You don't have any film on them, you know, kind of like what you guys were saying,
Starting point is 00:27:24 or at least you, Rob, were saying. And how much are you willing to bet with how much they've been gassing them up and how they're circulating that alleged story that he made the Broncos defense look bad earlier in the year? How much you're willing to bet that if they lose, they're going to have a nuclear temper tantrum and cry and whine about we win if we have been. Bo Nix. The duality of man is bad to be frightening. One last thought before we go to the next conference championship.
Starting point is 00:27:55 I've heard a ton of gassing up from that Broncos team of Jared Stidham. And good for them because that's what you're going to need it. That's what they should be doing. But how much of it do you think is artificial? Because if you guys read the kind of, if you guys heard that one clip of Sean Payton, not the part where he's saying you're going to get two and a half weeks of rest. It's the portion where he says that he's going to, Stimim's going to rip it, that he's going to throw it all over the fields.
Starting point is 00:28:34 It sounds confident when you read it on words, but if you listen to his tone of voice, he looks defeated. He does not look like he has much confidence and he's much more. he seems like he's of the mindset that they're they're throwing a hail mary with he looked he looked after he said that they had two weeks off he looked like he was about the backtrack that's what it that's what it sounded like and a key to leave by the way also came out and said that like he would he watched him play against the ones now if they get if he does nothing that's that's that's not going to look good
Starting point is 00:29:11 I think that the fact that John Payton has a nickname for him says enough. All right. Let's wrap this John up. It's going to be a fun game. It's going to be a fun game to watch, I think. So, all right, let's move on to the next game. We're going to take a quick break first. When we come back, we'll get into the NFC championship,
Starting point is 00:29:35 the Seahawks, taken on the Rams. This is the Hulmarovsky podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Welcome back to the Fulmourski podcast. Let's get into our NFC championship game. The Seahawks, two and a half point favorites at home against the Los Angeles Rams. Well, kind of two sides of a different. coin here in terms of this matchup. You look at the Seahawks and they just got done putting belt to ass on the 49ers last week. It wasn't even a game.
Starting point is 00:30:22 And then on the other side, you got the Rams going into Chicago and winning ugly. We'll call it ugly just because, you know, this was snow. Offenses weren't doing great. Both defenses like the freaking 85 bears, no pun intended. But I feel like this is also going to be like the two games that. we saw on the regular season are great precursors for what we're going to see on Sunday night, Sunday evening, Sunday night. And even when you look at the stats to the head-to-head matchup between these two teams, it's almost identical. And the difference between these two teams as well
Starting point is 00:31:00 is literally two points in the two games that they played against each other. It's pretty insane. So I think this is also going to be a bar and the thing that I'm I'm curious about is how the Rams will handle this type of cold. You know, you talk about Chicago cold. Seattle cold, obviously, it's not as ridiculous. But when you think about the way that the Rams played in that game, making the Chicago Bears look like the 85 bears of the past. And the way that Shaw McVeigh kind of called that game,
Starting point is 00:31:36 you kind of wonder how it's going to go against the Seahawks, especially with the, like we talked about it even this time last week before that game against the Niners. The Seahawks have shown that you could have a bad day or a mediocre day from Sam Darnold, and they're still going to find a way to win. So that's kind of how I sort of view this, but I'll pass it off to you guys. Rob, since you're our guests, let you have first crack at this as well. So I look at both quarterbacks, and I feel like they're just like, both like Jackal and Hyde.
Starting point is 00:32:12 It's like, what version are you going to get a Matt Stafford? What version are you going to get Sam Darnold? Sam Darnel recently came out and said he's basically, if you see someone open, he's going to let it Rick. He's playing with House Money. Meanwhile, Matt Stafford, MVP frontrunner, right? He's got all the chips at the casino right in front of it. He's putting all on red, putting all on black, whatever it may be.
Starting point is 00:32:35 All the pressures on him. Sam Donald's playing with House Money. Nobody's in expecting him to even make it this far. I mean, like, the fact that this guy has won 14 games in back-to-back seasons, and the only quarterback to do that was Tom Brady, is pretty remarkable. So he really, whatever he does is just extra. So all the pressure is going to fall on Matt Safford in the Rams. And they have not played good as of late, dropping one to Atlanta,
Starting point is 00:33:05 playing really close to a not-so-great Panthers team. So like what version of Matt Staffer were going to get? Because Sam Darnel really could just sling it all across the field. I have more faith in the Seahawks than I do it with the Rams because the Rams tend to, it's not saying anything bad about other teams, but they tend to play down to the competition. 100%. If you get the best version of the Rams,
Starting point is 00:33:32 they are an absolute problem. The problem is we haven't seen that version of the Rams for a while. And it seems that Matt Stafford is dealing with some kind of, lingering issue whether I mean we've seen him bounce his hand off of off a defender's helmet he doesn't he doesn't seem right but maybe that's just me over analyzing could be could be not i mean i i'm with you as well i'm favoring the seahawks in this game as well because i feel like they're just more all around sound and the way that like never mind stafford what kind of game we're going to get out of staffer but what kind of game are we even going to get out of the ramps defense this
Starting point is 00:34:08 has been one of the more inconsistent units that we've seen, or at least amongst the playoff teams, this Rams defense is one of the more inconsistent units that we've seen to end the regular season, to start the postseason. You don't really know what you're going to get out of them either. The whole team feels like a mixed bag when, really, when we were at week 10, everyone was talking about the Rams as the Super Bowl favorites, that they were gangbusters, this and that. And now it feels like a little bit of different story. Would you agree with that?
Starting point is 00:34:41 Maybe it's the fact that they were sipping their own Kool-Aid because I feel like once you punch them in the mouth, they don't respond well. They do not respond well. Usually when you punch them mouth, i.e. Atlanta Falcons, i.e. the Panthers. They don't respond well. And Matt Stafford turns into Nathan Peterman.
Starting point is 00:35:03 That is quite the swing of comparison right there, Nathan. I would have never thought to get Matt Stafford. I'm just saying from like a turnover perspective, he starts to become very inaccurate, and he starts to have happy feet in the pocket. He's a very good quarterback. Hell, I probably would give him the MVP this season just because of his gaudy numbers and his sat padding.
Starting point is 00:35:29 But the guy, like when he starts to get happy feet, throwing the ball in triple coverage, and it's just like, I don't know if you can do that against the Seahawks team that, like, is playing with house money. They're not, they're not expected to win this game, even if it is in Seattle. Yeah. CJ, what says you? Well, this game's for all the marbles, isn't it, folks? You know, they split the season series.
Starting point is 00:35:58 It all comes down to this one last game for the crown of the NFC in Seattle. I'll tell you what, the script writer's really cooked with this one. So first, let's break down the Rams, as we've been saying. Yeah, Stafford in the weather has been, to put it very mildly, iffy. And, you know, like you said, you know, Seattle's going to be cold. Is it going to be Chicago cold? I'm checking it right now, 44 degrees, I believe, I kick off. Seattle's never cold.
Starting point is 00:36:32 It's such a fake cold place. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it depends. The Pacific Northwest is known for its rain. So if it's a weather game, that could definitely be a problem. Because come rain or snow, Stafford plays well in neither. And something that I've noticed about the Rams is that I would say at least 60% of their
Starting point is 00:36:52 offensive production comes from Puka Nakua. So basically, especially with Stafford, you're literally hoping that Puka does not have an off game because if he does, it's going to be a rough one. How about that Rams defense and why they disappeared? I have a solution. The front seven, I think, is very good, elite even at times. You know what guys like Byron Young, Braden Fisk, Jared vurs, etc. But I don't like that back four.
Starting point is 00:37:20 That back four gets burned. And let me tell you something. A lot of times that front seven really hides how bad the back four is because we've seen that when the Rams can't get pressure on the quarterback, that back four completely collapses. Now let's talk about Seattle. Look, maybe I'm just letting the name get too much into my head. I can tell you that's happened.
Starting point is 00:37:48 I'm that kind of guy. But Sam Darnold, hey, he could very well be the first quarterback from that 2018 class to go to a Super Bowl. Crazy world we live in. But some of his worst games have come against the Rams. Even the one where they came back in one, he was turned the ball over a lot, got to the point where the old McDonnell's meme came back. The worst version of Sam Darnold comes out against the Rams. It happened even when he was on the Vikings, and it happened twice now this year.
Starting point is 00:38:23 And one of the, we love JSN, right? Rashid Shaheed is a speedster. But one of the sneaky good parts of that Seattle, offense is that two-headed monster they have at running back, Kenneth Gainwell and Zach Charbonnet. Except... One. Kenneth Gainwell.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Kenneth Walker. Oh, my God. Wow. Wow. Charbonne is also done, too. Yeah, I know. Kenneth Walker. You stole my point from me. But that's what I was going to say. So the two-headed monster just got
Starting point is 00:38:57 a head chopped off. So, and if you stop Kenneth Gainwell, oh my god i only say this how the hell do you know the bad one that charbonnet hawks all of his touchdowns if you have if you have either in fantasy
Starting point is 00:39:13 you know because i had charbonne and i reap the benefit from him taking all walker's touchdowns so if you stop kenneth walker then their run game practically dies because they kind of have their own version of sonic and knuckles you know like they have in detroit with montgomery and gins so if one of them doesn't play well
Starting point is 00:39:33 then you've always got the other to pick up the slack. Now it's just one. And George Holani is their RB3. And if he scares you, I don't know what to tell you, man. So if Kenneth Walker gets stopped, they become one-dimensional. And then you can freely double Jackson Smith and Jigma. I think this is going to be the game where McDarnold's reopens to quote the meme. And give me the Rams in a shootout.
Starting point is 00:40:03 I'll shoot that. Adam, what says you? I agree with the analysis on both of these teams individually from you guys. Individually. But when they face each other, being division rivals is the great equalizer. They face each other twice a year. And they collectively, head to head, have a one point difference. The first game was decided by two points.
Starting point is 00:40:33 The other game decided by one point. these two games have been wars and this is a game where I truly, I'm actually, even just as a football fan, I'm extremely excited to watch this game because I do think this is going to be a war. And I, the problem with I had with the Seahawks, if it weren't Sam Darnold playing, if it weren't Sam Darnold that quarterback and it was just some other, it was in an actual elite quarterback, I'd say, this is the slam dunk. favorite to win the Super Bowl. But it's Sam Darnold. It's Sam Darnold over there. And just thinking about, I've said this on the show before, but just thinking in my head, the thought of him raising a Lombardi trophy, even just a conference championship
Starting point is 00:41:25 trophy, just looks photoshopped. It's weird. And at least Stafford has actually gotten there. I think it just it's a big equalizer the fact that these are these two are division division rivals and one way or another, whether it's this round or next round, Sam Donald is going to ruin this season for the Seahawks. And Stafford has at least won one. So he's at least been there.
Starting point is 00:41:53 And Sean McVeigh has been there and won one. Mike McDonald and Sam Donald have not. In fact, Sam Donald has a massive choking. problem. Even as he has turned around in the last two years, his performances has become actually a pretty good quarterback. He has a massive choking problem against teams above 500. The only reason that I think this is going to be a war is because Darnold has been kind of coming out of it as late. He just won a postseason game. His first playoff win, congrats to Sam Darnold. He came, he first came out of it where it really caught my eye was that Thursday night football game.
Starting point is 00:42:39 And it was sloppy. You could clearly tell that he was fighting some things. But he scraped the stuff together that he absolutely needed to do. He made the throws that he needed to make when he absolutely needed to make them. And they won the game. One could say it was a collective effort because the Seahawks defense also forced four straight L.A. punts, which was huge to end. overtime. And yes, Sam Darnold marched, excuse me, Matthew Stafford marched right back down
Starting point is 00:43:11 the field to start overtime to score the touchdown. But then Darnold did it. And then he completed the two point. That was where I was like, all right, okay, Sam. I think this is going to be a very close game. And I'm just going to lean the better quarterback here, which is Matthew Stafford. I think the Rams go on to the Super Bowl. And that's where they'll have a very good chance to win the title. Well, history would be on your side considering the Rams have won for the last six played in Seattle. But Seahawks are 17 and 8 against the Rams all time in this all-time series. Anything else we want to touch on from this game, I feel like we're only scraping out the barrel on at this one.
Starting point is 00:44:05 We pretty much all have the same take. It's just. Rob, who'd you pick again? You picked Seahawks? I'm picking Seattle just because as of late seeing Matt Stafford, he just doesn't look right. But then again, Donald can turn into a pumpkin and the clock can strike 12. Like, we don't, like, I could be very much, very much wrong on this one.
Starting point is 00:44:30 I think we could all be very wrong. on this, that's for sure. Every game up in the playoffs right now is just a toss-up. It's just how, it's just execution. Every game's going to come to inches. Yeah, this is one just as a football fan where I'm like, this is going to be a good one. And something controversial is going to,
Starting point is 00:44:51 something crazy is going to happen at the end and we're all just going to be talking about it for two days straight. But I do have to say, I do agree with you, that if Sam Donald does make it to his, Super Bowl, no matter who comes out of the AFC is winning the Super Bowl. You think the Broncos are? I just, yeah. I think whoever comes out of the AFC, if it's not Mass Stafford out of the NFC, will win
Starting point is 00:45:14 the Super Bowl. Look, it sounds crazy, but Stidham, if he does pull off this against the Patriots, that that's all you need, man, a little bit of confidence. Think about that. Two years prior, if somebody were to tell me that the Super Bowl matchup would be the Jared Stidham Broncos versus the Sam Darnold Seahawks. Something went horribly wrong, some sort of apocalypse. But here we are.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Football's crazy, man. Some kindergartner just took random helmets and started putting them on the desk. And these two teams interverse each other and just these two teams happen to have Jared Stidham and Sam Donald. And only the Patriots can break that curse. Imagine even better if it's a Stidham. darn old Super Bowl and they both turn back into pumpkins and the game's like three nothing.
Starting point is 00:46:07 It's like, well, it's combined interceptions. Yeah. Yeah. You laugh, but that can very much happen. That's the problem that could very well happen. It's so within the realm of possibilities. The touchdowns come from the defense. Like, it's just like, what the hell am I watching? Look, like I said, every dog has its day.
Starting point is 00:46:26 So I, I, while I joke about the fact that I can't even, it even looks photoshopped in my head. he did win that Thursday night football game did impress me. And I know it's Thursday night football, but if he has it in him in a big moment to go out and win himself a big game, I mean, it might be out there somewhere, especially against the Broncos. Like I,
Starting point is 00:46:54 Jared Stedham kind of blows. Now he's coming around to it. Now he's coming around to it. I'm just saying that he's capable of one game. I didn't say two. Who knows? Maybe he is capable of two. I mean, say with me, Sam Darnel's Super Bowl champion.
Starting point is 00:47:11 It sounds like a freaking circus, circicter freak type crap. Yeah. Super Bowl MVP. No. Now the real question. Now you need to get drug tested. The real question I feel like we should be asking is what's the reaction from Jets fans if he does end up winning, never mind making the Super Bowl about winning the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:47:33 What's, if you're a Jets fan, you're probably feeling like shit. Oh, I'm telling you right now. Oh, I am telling you right now. If the Patriots lose this game, I am in the Seahawks win theirs, I'm cheering because I just want to see them just squirm. Yeah. Because the amount of Jets fans somehow in my mentions, your franchise is abysmal. And you've drafted Gino Smith, who, I'll,
Starting point is 00:48:00 be it he hadn't had a good season last season. But he went on to do pretty damn good things with Seattle. And then, yes, Sam Donald went on. You guys just will never amount to anything. I like it. A Pat Seahawks Super Bowl would just, no matter who wins, the city of East Rutherford, New Jersey is just going to fall into a chasm. It will cease to exist, like, no matter who wins.
Starting point is 00:48:24 It's the anti-Jet Super Bowl. And why? As long as you record it. As long as you record it. I don't want to just have a scene out of. Batman, where the damn city just caves in. Yeah. Just keep the cameras roll.
Starting point is 00:48:41 All right. Anything else from this game? I think we're good. Let's move on. We need to hustle. We just get right into the house queen and then just general NFL news. We won't even take a break. Some interesting stuff out of the Bills camp.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Bill's owner, Terry Pagula, thought it was a great idea to do an owner's press conference. And, you know, it's these, these are really fun because owners aren't really that, uh, that media savvy, really, or sometimes not that media savvy. And if you're Terry Pagula, you decide that, well, today I'm going to make a point to pin the drafting of my second round wide receiver who seems to have an attitude problem on the head coach that I just fired. Uh, and the rest of his coaching staff. So that's fun. I think the loser in all of this, of course, is Keon Coleman. He's kind of just, you know, obviously, when you look at this season, it wasn't great. And he had some issues.
Starting point is 00:49:44 He was a healthy scratch for two games. And a lot of questions start coming up. But what year is this? Year two? I'm already blanking on what year he is. Two, this is a second year. Yeah, this being year two, next year, year three. I think it would be smart not to be dogging on this young receiver, by the way,
Starting point is 00:50:05 still a young receiver, still trying to make his way. It's one thing that you bench him and try to get his mind right. That's one thing. But to then dog on them in the offseason right after the season ends, what the hell? Adam, you look like you're ready to talk off a cliff on this one. Yeah, I was just going to say, we can just keep this as an open conversation. We don't need to go around the table because this is, I mean,
Starting point is 00:50:27 I feel that we have all those. all the same thoughts generally. But I did pick this Bill's team to next season, have a bounce back year. I figure if you have the elite quarterback, the rest of the rebuild or the reload takes two seconds. But this is not a good start. And I'm going to make a quick prediction. I think they're going to figure it out anyways.
Starting point is 00:50:49 Because some way, somehow, if you have the quarterback, we've seen Aaron Rogers with the inept packers, they figure out a way to stay in contention. and they're going to find a way to find that number one, and they're not going to learn from their mistakes, just like the Packers always do. They fall on that one elite quarterback, and they make all of these organizational mistakes. They piss people off, and it still somehow works out.
Starting point is 00:51:16 They fall just short, and they keep doing the same things. It's going to happen the same way. This is part of why, I mean, it's good to have the elite quarterback, But I'm just saying if you're inept and the quarterback still makes the team look good, then they're never going to change. And that's kind of the spot the Packers are in. The bills are in danger of falling in that same spot. I will say, though, that Bean, you could tell he's media trained because the way he handle
Starting point is 00:51:47 himself, whether it's his fault or not, is how you're supposed to handle yourself. However, the bill's owner is a complete ass. the guy's still on your roster and you're slamming him and we've seen what happens when you just let the kid develop Julian Edelman we didn't know what he was going to be Kisham Boutte Bouti
Starting point is 00:52:07 look what he's turned out to you cannot say these type of things or whatever may be whether you're backing him or not that there's still development that needs to be had he can turn into a star exactly so if he turns out to be a star you just made an ass
Starting point is 00:52:23 of yourself these are types of things that's like oh crap i just put my foot in my mouth it's really bad like being a free agent or being a a drafty how do you feel confident going to a franchise that dogs a second year wire receiver that i mean whether he has maturity issues or not he's so young i think the wildest part even too like you don't you normally hear like hear anybody front office owner gm you don't hear really anyone talk about a player in this light, as Terry Pagula is with Keon Coleman. Usually they wait until after they're not on the team anymore to even be dogging on them like this.
Starting point is 00:53:09 CJ, you have anything you wanted to add to this? Yeah, yeah. I don't think we can overstate enough just how terrible it must be. Like, imagine for Keon Coleman, now imagine, like put yourself in Keon Coleman. shoes and the most well-known discourse about you isn't even where you're going to develop. Do you have an ad to problem? It's your ex-head coach, your current owner and current GM pointing figures they turn like, no, it's your fault we drafted him.
Starting point is 00:53:39 No, it's your fault. Well, he sucks. It's your fault. He sucks so much. You should get fired. What's that going to do? And I said this to you guys off camera, but I'll say it again for the audience. if Keon Coleman
Starting point is 00:53:53 flames out and becomes a bust, I genuinely can't blame him because this team is already like signaled they have no faith in you after. I mean, he already is kind of a bust. It seems like I'm not trying to back the owner here, but take away what the owner just said. Just go back in time two days.
Starting point is 00:54:18 And your opinion on Keon Coleman, would be the guy's been an ass, he's been lazy, he's been a terrible leader, he hasn't been anything he was supposed to be. So it sounds like he's pissed some people off. He's been a healthy scratch. How many times? At least two. Like, what's that?
Starting point is 00:54:35 It was at least two. Right. But then again, he's still young. Like, we say he's ass now, but I usually make my assumption of players after year three. And if he can, I mean, He can put it in the groundwork and he's still young. And I'm not saying I didn't want us to draft him.
Starting point is 00:54:56 But I'm saying that like it's, I mean, I think it's a little too early to call him a bust. So after year three, how about Jalen Polk or Javon Baker? Because the Patriots kind of did the same reverse, except they didn't say public terrible things about. Yeah, but we didn't set them up for any type of success. Like it's like we just, and when you have a coaching staff, that's led by Gerard Mayo and first time head coach, first time, signal caller, first time DC.
Starting point is 00:55:25 I mean, I don't know if anybody could truly develop them, especially with so much dysfunction and finger pointing. Yeah, 100%. So do you think that they got the wrong guys when it comes to that, or is it more so that they couldn't develop them? Because they could have just, they could have stuck with them, and then you have Josh McDaniels who's working with them, and then maybe things are a little better.
Starting point is 00:55:46 I think Josh McDaniels can turn anybody into a good player if given the right attitude out of that player I'm sorry I've seen the guy do it too many times so do you think that if they kept if they held on to Jalen Polk then maybe that could have because I don't think so I don't think that
Starting point is 00:56:09 Jalen Polk was anything I never liked the pick to be honest I don't think we were going to keep them I don't think we were going to keep them to begin with because of maybe their attitudes, maybe how they operate on social media. And because they weren't drafted under the regime of how it's currently constituted that they want their own guys.
Starting point is 00:56:31 So if I may, Rob, that is just my point because what I was saying is Keon Coleman was a healthy scratch. It seems like there's something happening within the organization where he's pissing some people off and they don't want him even in a uniform. I mean, that's kind of like, I'm not. Again, I'm not saying Terry Pagula was right. All I am saying is that there has to be something that happened for him to piss off the entire organization. To the point where they don't even want him dressing.
Starting point is 00:57:03 This is a second overall pick, excuse me, this is a second round pick, a guy who has just drafted five minutes ago. And they're already saying, we don't want this guy dressing and even giving us a chance to win. Very valid point. But that's my, that's just my thoughts. Thoughts indeed. In terms of other news, NFL award finalists got released. I'd say probably the biggest thing out of this outside of like coach of the year, which ended up being three first time head coach,
Starting point is 00:57:36 or first year head coaches being in the next, Ben Johnson, Liam Cohen, Mike Ravel, no big surprise there. The one other thing that I probably caught most people's eye was MVP and offensive player of the year. Drake May is up for MVP and offense player of the year. Matt Stapper is only up for MVP. That's just another way of saying
Starting point is 00:57:57 that Drake May is not getting MVP. Yeah. Interesting. Wait. I was, so I want to get your thoughts. I want to get your thoughts on this because I was, we were going back and forth in our group chat. But so my thought process
Starting point is 00:58:13 was that these are, these guys are all, these voters are all voting for the same things. They put Drake May on two different ballots on MVP and offensive player the year. They discluded Matthew Stafford. And to further add to this point, the all pro splits based on who won it and who came in second were the exact same as Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, which Lamar got all pro. Josh Allen didn't. Josh Allen got MVP. My thought process is this is more pro-Drake-May MVP than anything. But I just wanted to get your thoughts on that kind of narrative
Starting point is 00:58:54 because that's kind of my thought process there. I don't think it's pro-Dragmey at all because of this whole narrative about the schedule and this ad and the other without taking all the other things into context. Like who the hell he's throwing to? Like Matt Saffer being in that system for how many years now? Drake May had to basically learn a whole new system, a whole new this, whole new that. and what he's over, I mean, Stefan Diggs, nice receiver, but he's no Pooka Nakuwa, no Devante Adams. Who, like, if we're going to compare rosters, Drake May is running for his life.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Yes, okay, so average pressure for the Patriots offensive line in the regular season was 2.4 seconds. When you go look at his time to throw, it's 2.8 seconds. That means he's having the run for his damn life for about a half a second to throw the damn ball. And not only is he doing that, he has a hundred less. pass attempts and if you can't tell me that he had a hundred more pass attempts, he wouldn't be a little bit more closer to make touchdowns he is. How many one-yard touchdowns is Matt Stafford has? I'll answer the question, it's 13.
Starting point is 00:59:58 This guy is, and you could see that like, Sean McVeigh was really like, okay, we need to get him this MVP, so let's stat pad in this game against the Cardinals and throw as many goddamn balls as he possibly can. But doesn't that mean that if their vote, if they have Drake May, up for offensive player in the year and not Matthew Stafford. Doesn't that mean the voters believe in Drake May and they see through the easy schedule and playing with the, doesn't that mean that they see through it? I mean, I surely hope so, but then I seen a damn, a voter that came out on Twitter and he said, well, I can't, I'm paraphrasing, obviously, basically was making it a note
Starting point is 01:00:39 that Drake May being sacked as much as he is was on him. And I know a lot of, of those sacks can be put on him because he likes to extend the plays. But they're not taking into consideration all the factors. They're just reading 46, 48 touchdowns, 10 touchdowns, 10 touchdown discrepancy. And I've seen fans and I've seen the discourse completely throwing out the 400 rushing yards and four touchdowns that he has on the ground. Like it didn't exist. And how Josh Allen, when you do the side-by-side comparison against Lamar Jackson, last year when it was the MVP discussion.
Starting point is 01:01:18 Josh Allen did not beat him in just about any statistical category, but they still gave it to Josh Allen. So if we're keeping a spade a spade and we're keeping that as the precedent, where the hell outside of passing touchdowns and made with, I think he had a little bit more passing yards? Does Matt Stafford have Drake May beat? Well, doesn't that mean that they would be staying consistent here? I think Josh Allen was the MVP over Lamar Jackson just because he had,
Starting point is 01:01:50 Josh Allen had a worse situation than Lamar Jackson did. He just put up better statistics. Josh Allen was able to finish as a higher seed despite working with a worse record. And the voters saw that. And this is kind of a similar situation. Drake May has a higher seed. He has a worse supporting cast. And he managed to, he managed to take the team.
Starting point is 01:02:15 based off the eye test, you can see Drake May was the better player. And he would be the most valuable player, but Matthew Stafford has the more touchdown passes. And touchdown interception ratio is the one that is the sexier stat that catches people's eyes. But if the voters actually see through that, then that would mean just like last year that Drake May would win MVP rather than Matthew Stafford. I mean, I mean, I hope. At the end of the day, I hope. But then again, there's a storyline going around. Even Tom Brady said it.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Drake Mays Young, he'll have another chance. If that is a narrative, if that is the narrative, can I curse on here? I think it's already. Okay. Okay, I apologize. No, you're good. That's bullshit. That's bullshit.
Starting point is 01:03:06 It's bullshit. I try to keep people from doing it, but I've given up a long time ago. Okay, well, it'll be it'll be. be my last time, but like, it is BS because I agree. That should not be the reason why this is not a career award. This is a what have you done this year award? I'll leave it at that. I agree.
Starting point is 01:03:29 I hope they don't give it based off that. They won't. They won't. Matt Stafford is going to win it. I still think Stafford's had an amazing year. And if he did win it and they're saying, okay, we were giving it to him based on what he's accomplished. Okay, sure.
Starting point is 01:03:43 But I would disagree, but I'd say, all right, fine. If they're saying, well, he's had a great career. He hasn't won it yet. Let's give it to him. Drake May is going to have another opportunity. I'd say, dude, what is this MVP award becoming? I think. If I may just add one other narrative to this MVP conversation,
Starting point is 01:04:06 because I was going to tie it into my opening take for the AFC and NFC championships. But let's say in a world that the Patriots and the Rams are facing off against each other, which, by the way, amazing storylines, because you have the battle of the top two MVP candidates. If you're a Patriots fan or a Rams fan, you don't want that MVP award. Because I think, I know it's, I know people call it a curse. But I think there is some, some legitimate, uh, legitimate, uh, correlation to why MVPs don't win. Super Bowls because the team is relying on them to come through. And if you're relying on Drake May to win you the game, which they have been, but their defense has been coming through and their past catchers, it turns out they're a lot better
Starting point is 01:04:55 than we thought. If it turns out, and I agree wholeheartedly, the Rams, when Matthew Stafford doesn't play well, it's hard for them to win. So let's say Milton Williams breaks through into the interior. a million times and destroys Matthew Stafford. Let's say Drake May wins MVP and let's say his fumbling problems come out again. Or, you know, he gets through to the, he gets through the front seven gets through to Drake May and it actually costs him this time. I think there is some water held into winning MVP.
Starting point is 01:05:36 I think if you're a Patriots fan, you don't want that award. I think if you're a Rams fan, you don't want that award. Keep it away. Keep it on the other side. And then the narrative, you have a target on your back if you win it. And the other team can use that as bulletin material. Drake May, you didn't win MVP. Why don't you go out there and prove who was the MVP?
Starting point is 01:05:57 So you're saying that on either side of the aisle, it ends up being a switch of a mindset a little bit. I think it's bulletin material for the other side, doesn't it? Well, that's what I mean. it's like you're saying that it's bolts in for one side and on the other it uh you have a little extra pressure i'm going to rely on you more a lot more pressure yeah a lot more pressure you're the MVP go play like the MVP yeah it's like well the super bowl is already a high in a big enough uh the super bowl's already a big enough stage and i'm nervous for for drake may winning it because i think again he's a kid losing super bowl's this early in your career is tough enough
Starting point is 01:06:36 I think if you win MVP and then also lose the Super Bowl, I think that could, that, I'm not saying it will. I think that could, that could cause some psychological issues. And then making it back there might be tough again. I think there's, I think there's some correlation there. All I'm saying is you may not want the MVP award if you're a fan of that, the team that the player is on. That's all I'm saying, especially if you're Matthew Stafford or Drake May. all I ask is that voters have to write at least two pages as to why they picked who are they picked.
Starting point is 01:07:14 I agree with that. I like that a lot. That was my only last take on that because it's like I want you to give me an in-depth analysis. And I don't want you just point out touchdowns. It needs to be. And it barely not be fillers. Like you know you could just put, you could kind of, oh, that kid definitely just made up some BS to get his paper done. No, I want to see what you have to write.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Give me a reason. Or not even make them write a paper. Like, give me bullet points as to why you picked who you picked. There you go. 250 words synopsis. If you're, and you have to turn it in.
Starting point is 01:07:54 MLA formatting. Yeah, exactly. If you're like, I like that even better. And that will also determine if that person should get, and should get their vote again. Also,
Starting point is 01:08:06 their weighted votes. So I think. I see Drake May never falling below two. I could see one where Stafford falls below two across the 50 votes. It just depends on whether or not Josh Allen or Christian McCaffrey steal a vote away. Yeah. All right. I've pretty much made my case.
Starting point is 01:08:30 But, yeah, let's see what happens as far as it's going to be an interesting honors ceremony. So 100%. 100%. So, CJ, I feel like we've neglected you for the last. I mean, I've already said my case like a billion times before. You know what I think?
Starting point is 01:08:49 I just, I can't say anything you guys haven't already said. It's just more of, all right. Whoever gets it, gets it. I am kind of wary about the curse
Starting point is 01:08:59 and the pressure that comes with it. Curse or not, like, you know, you want the fire under them. And we do have some other like housekeeping stuff. to just rapid fire before we end and we're still under an hour 10 we can just do it chris if you
Starting point is 01:09:15 want me to like fire off just some quick bullet points here yeah you can fire it off uh ravens just hired a new head coach just under correct yes that's right so but we'll go crawl on to order since last episode lightning round here Detroit lions hired drew petzing as offensive coordinator mike macdmanuel was actually uh in the running and there was like a person difference allegedly between him and Campbell. Shocker. Chiefs, bring back a familiar face as O.C. Eric B. Enemy. How do you like that? Great for that. The original Mahomes maestro or Mahomes Merchant, depending on how you look at it. And we have yet another head coach hiring the Miami Dolphins who moved on for the aforementioned Mike McDaniel hire Jeff Hapley as Packers Defensive
Starting point is 01:10:02 Coordinator, or former Packers defensive coordinator. We'll see. Think it might have been a little early, but another head coaching news, Robert Sala, finally getting another shot, or finally it's only been a year, but he will now be the head coach of the Tennessee Titans. Hopefully he doesn't get Jets again, we can only hope. We're going to be the new offensive coordinator of the L.A. Chargers. Wow, give your big armed quarterback a past first offensive coordinator.
Starting point is 01:10:33 Genius. And this is two for one here about the, Falcons. Atlanta Falcons have hired former Browns offensive coordinator Tommy Reeves to be their new OC with Kevin Stifansky and their old OC, Zach Robinson, is now the offensive coordinator for the division rival Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So do with that what you will. And Cowboys grab the Eagles defensive back coach Christian Parker to be their new defensive coordinator. God love when you can coach a coach for a rival, always a good day. And, Finally, this was just before we started recording, the Baltimore Ravens are officially
Starting point is 01:11:13 fall into the post-Harbaugh era as they have hired Chargers Defensive Coordinator, Jesse Minter, as their new head coach. And that's housekeeping kids. You kind of called it, CJ, that Harbaugh is, at least the defensive coordinator, was going to get poached. I love the Eric B. Enemy signing. I wanted him to be the Patriots head offensive coordinator, if not Josh McDaniels. I honestly think he's so good.
Starting point is 01:11:39 You can draw a line in Drake, in Patrick Mahom's statistics from Matt Nagy to Eric B. Enemy, but. Wasn't Nagy getting calls for head coach? He was. Inexplicably, yes. And he probably might get a role. Disgusting. Not commodity, God knows why.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Like, there's, like Adam said, you could literally draw a line for where Mahomes falls off after Bienerie leaves, and Nagy comes in. And for when all the, their star players. started to age or got traded, but, you know, it's... Yeah. There's a lot of different factors.
Starting point is 01:12:12 We could save that for a different day when we preview the Chiefs in like three months. All right. Not Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, without... Preview is ACL. Yeah, we'll preview the ACL. That's all the scheduled content that we have for you today. Rob, thanks again for joining us.
Starting point is 01:12:30 You want to plug your content while you're at it or plug anything else? I mean, it's right down there below. Patriots with a 7. Instead of the last T, it's a 7. 7.S. So it's really that. I'm on all platforms pretty much. And DM me, whatever you guys.
Starting point is 01:12:49 I respond to all DMs. I like it. Don't be afraid to hit up, Rob. He's going to respond to you. Maybe very nicely. Maybe not. Well, we'll see. Depends on what your take is.
Starting point is 01:13:02 We'll see. We'll see. That'll be it for us today. Thank you for tuning in to another Friday episode of Fumble Ruski podcast, new episode coming out on Tuesday at 8.m. And be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel. We also have all our episodes available on Spotify, Speaker, Apple Podcast, IHeartRadio, Google Podcasts, and anywhere that you can stream podcasts. Be sure to follow our Instagram, FumbleRiski underscore podcast to keep up with the pod and the latest coverage on the NFL. Otherwise, we will see you on Tuesday over now.

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