The Fumblerooski Podcast - Beasts In The NFC East -Ep 124 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

Should teams be more conservative with calling the two-point conversion? Could The NFC East be the best division in football? Why is the roughing the passer penalty gotten so inconsistent? Adam Wright and CJ Medeiros discuss these topics as well as give you Fantasy waiver wire pickups.

here's edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet edelman comes down with a football they're saying it's a catch it's a catch it's a catch sideline touchdown unbelievable teams are losing games on two-point try attempts and the roughing the roughing the passer penalty is as poorly called as that as ever that's how you know the nfl's in mid-season form this is the fumble rooski podcast by Power88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros.

So I really wasn't kidding about the two-point try. It was a problem this past season, CJ, where I think we saw it a couple times with the Ravens, and it happened one other time where an two point of an extra point ties it, but they go for two and then they, and then it blows up in their faces. And now we're seeing it again. But anyways, CJ, how, how are you anyways? Uh, you know what, Adam guns blazing, you know what, Adam, I'm fine. You know, just a, another day in the world, but Hey, you know, you know, I'm fine. Just another day in the world. But hey, I'm on the podcast. I can't complain. I mean, I won't complain is what I mean.

But it's all good over here. Yeah, same here, man. Same here. And semesters in full swing, and so is the NFL season and as I mentioned we're going to jump right into it and go for go and talk about the Raiders who had a sizable lead against the Chiefs for a while then the Chiefs just came storming back with Patrick Mahomes leaving the charge leading the charge as usual the Raiders eventually came back and big big big time touchdown play, 48 yards, Devante Adams from Derek Carr, and it made it a 29 to 30 game. Extra point ties it. They went for a two point conversion. It failed and the chief and I don't believe the Raiders got the ball back, did they? I don't think so, no.

So they did not get the ball back, and the Chiefs wound up winning the game by one point. When a two-point conversion ties it. Now, we've been seeing that a little bit in recent years. Sometimes it works, and the coach looks like a genius, and other times it doesn't, and the coach looks like a complete jackass in this case uh mr josh mcdaniels has egg in his face right now so cj i wanted to ask you what do you think

about this the two-point conversion try uh these are these aggressive calls late in the game well adam i would like to start a statement by saying this mcdaniels is your problem now vegas enjoy your screens on third and ten anyway oh boy it's just i'll take him over i'll take him over patricia patricia though yeah we have a better record funny how that works their offense has better weapons than ours and we have a better record i just think that's interesting and but either way i would say that uh you're talking about the decision making about these aggressive calls late in games now i don't believe i've ever said this on the show but i have a a personal philosophy. There's, you know, obviously in life, there's good decisions and bad decisions. Now, for me personally, you can't take a decision, you can have all the analytics in the world, but

you can't take the odds at face value. A decision is only good or bad depending on how it goes. You can disagree to your heart's content. However, my convictions stand firm. And I truly believe it's like there's no such thing as a surefire decision. And the outcome solely predicts whether it was good or bad. And these two point tries, they're just a little too risky for my liking. Especially when, like you said, an extra point ties the game. It's like you're getting greedy, you know?

You're trying to paint yourself as kind of a genius. And the NFL, especially, like one play, one play can cost you the entire game. And especially like late in the game, if you're taking unnecessary risks, I don't care what the entire game. And especially like late in the game, if you're taking unnecessary risks, I don't care what the analytics say, that's on you. And if you end up with egg in your face, oh, well. And, you know, I mean, last season,

the Baltimore Ravens going for it on two or for two or going for it on fourth down or anything like that is like unnecessarily risky. And it's literally costing teams games, which is ironic because a lot of our fellow Patriots fans say Bill's coaching scared. He's too conservative. Well, look at the flip side of like people like John Harbaugh or Josh McDaniels. They're too aggressive. Their needless risk-taking is

costing them games. And as a result, they look like colossal fools for lack of a, you know, for instead of a much worse word, I was going to call them Adam. Yeah. I mean, I look at this and I just think when I look at the two point conversion, it's, it's something that you should only be doing if you really need to do it. Like if you look at Superbowl 51, that all those two point conversions, the Patriots made, no one disagreed with those because that was like undisputedly like you have to do it or else it's, or else you're done. You're dead.

That's exactly the dead that's exactly the that's exactly what the two-point conversion is for not to go go and just do it just needlessly when a when an extra point ties it like if if there were an if there were an instance in that super bowl where an extra point tied it and they went for two that would have been stupid but a two-point conversion tied it so they had to it's just it the whole thing is just it's got it's gotten out of hand and i think it's all the anal it's all the uh it's all the analytics and you know the sports nerds who are all saying well if they make the two-point conversion then they win then there's a better chance they win the game or like a lot of the

like it says x amount of times that out of x amount of times that they're going to make it so therefore it's a good decision no it's still a really really risky decision it's just it's just needless you're putting your you're you're just putting your team in position to potentially lose almost for your own ego because if it works then then you're on you're up on a pedestal everyone's thinking wow what a ballsy move he made it he he knew there was something there when he really just took the risk just it was the 2016 season i believe it was week one or week two one of the one of the weeks um it was and it was the it was the oakland raiders at the time jack del rio decided to go for two uh with derrick carr and he he made, and everyone was praising him for it. It's like, wow, Jack Del Rio's really showing off his offensive skill set.

He's really showing that he can do it, and that was really ballsy. This is going to be a great season, and it was a great season for the Raiders that year. They went 12-4. Derek Carr looked like a stud, and so did Amari Cooper and Michael Crabtree, Latavius Murray at the time. That was a great offense. I took advantage of it through fantasy football. But either way, he only looked good because it worked.

And yeah, good for them that it worked, but if that failed, then the narrative would be completely flipped. So you are right. It is turned on to if it works, then it was a good move. If it doesn't, then it was a stupid move. It's just a risky and needless decision.

It's just a risky, it's just a risky and needless decision. Like it's, it's unnecessary. Go for the tie and give yourself a chance to win afterwards. Like, I understand you're going against Patrick Mahomes who who's having a great season, but you have to, you have to keep yourself into, in it. And you have to show, you have to show faith in your team that you can, that you can hold against patrick mahomes that derrick carr can march march down the field and make another drive like that with with davante adams and darren waller and hunter renfro at your disposal like you just you just can't do that and here's another side note this is all this is kind of this kind of goes off from

our narrative of the two-point try but patrick mahomes might be my pick for league mvp this year yeah same with what he's working with four touchdown passes i believe that's what 15 to this point in the season to like two picks i'll have to look at the stats but he's been incredible it's like he hasn't missed a beat he might be better than he was last year and he had more to like two picks. I'll have to look at the stats, but he's been incredible. It's like, he hasn't missed a beat. He might be better than he was last year. And he had more weapons last year. Yeah.

I 100% agree. And, uh, as someone that has been fantasy, I can say, uh, I think he deserves it. Oh,

so you do have bias in this. You do. I don't have bias. I don't even, I just, I just think he's, he's doing great i'm respecting the greatness i am well i am too i'm just saying i personally can attest yeah all right well we do want to move on and we're going to talk about so this is kind of something that's

gone around like it's a sort of around a few different NFL games. We're not just covering one matchup or one game, but each team in the NFC East, outside of Washington, sorry, Washington, has been just really overachieving here, doing incredible, and we're going to break this division down and talk about the possibility of this being the best division in football. We'll get to this next. You're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. The pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football.

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Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros here. And so the NFC East really flexed its muscles this week. Again, outside of Washington. I think they're what, like one in four? And I really feel bad in excluding them from this, but the rest of this division has just been so incredible. So the Giants started off, they won in London on Sunday. And then you had the Eagles who continued their brilliance

starting off with their 5-0 start. And Cooper Rush and company on the Cowboys pulled off the upset. I don't care about the record, sorry. It's just early in the season against the Rams. And all of a sudden, Cowboys are 4-1, Eagles are 5-0, the Giants are 4-1? Holy crap. How is this happening?

CJ, are you buying into this potentially being the best division in the NFL? Oh, that's a tricky one, but am I buying into it? Yes and no. Yes. For the records, you know, there's an old saying that says you are what your record says you are. And frankly, it's something I disagree with, you know, cause I always say, oh, you could be greater than the sum of your parts. For example, the giantsants, everyone and their mother knows the Giants are fool's gold. They are far and away the worst 4-1 team. And if you pull up their quarterback Daniel Jones' stats, he has 848 passing yards, three touchdowns, and two picks over five games.

But it's like he's not going to win you anything in a shootout. They're basically – they're using him like New England's using Bailey Zappi right now, and Daniel Jones is not the guy. They're basically – he's like the game manager's game manager. He hasn't thrown for 3,000 yards since his rookie year, and I just don't see him as the long-term option. And the Giants' whole offense depends solely on how Saquon Barkley does. They're probably going to lose if he has a horrible game,

but if he's lighting it up, then I think they're going to be fine. And the Cowboys. The Cowboys are an interesting group because Cooper Rush, as you know, backup quarterback, comes in for Dak and is undefeated as a starter thus far. He has a 61% completion percentage for 839 yards, four touchdowns, no picks. Once again, more of a game manager, but it's the Cowboys defense that for some reason has come alive and bottled up the Rams. Then there's Philly. Philly's undefeated, and that roster is legitimate. You know, you have Jalen Hurts, who shows that he could be the guy, and you have

a scary receiver duo of A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith and a tenacious defense as well. And then there's just poor, pitiful Washington, the commies, I like to call them. But I just, but to answer your question, Adam, after I just gave like a breakdown there, ah, boy. I mean, in terms of the record, they're the best. But in terms of talent, I disagree. So I'm going to hold off on it going on. And I know I make the question banners and I make all the questions in the segment. But I thought it's just something that we could explore.

So you're not going to answer your own question, that's what I'm hearing. Yes. Wow. Because I just want to bring it to light, you know? But I think this is something that I'm open to. I'm intrigued by the idea that the NFC East going forward could be the best

division in football. It's really early, but when you start four and one and you're the giants, I understand they haven't beaten the best teams. They started off by beating the Titans who I believe are three and two now, correct? Like they've actually figured things out. I think it's a bit early to say they figured

things out but i guess they're maybe turning a corner kind of okay for for argument's sake record wise they've figured it out you got the panthers who are who have their own issues they're figuring out they've okay so they lost to the cowboys that's their only loss they beat the bears no nothing nothing to say there here. Here's the one that's intriguing. The Green Bay Packers they beat. The Packers. That's a pretty good... Listen, as much as we love to talk about how they don't have nearly as much firepower as they have in the past, that's a very lethal defense. They have talent all around the field, especially in that secondary. They have a very good running back duo in A.J. Dillon and Aaron Jones.

And then we can't forget about the quarterback they have back there. So the fact that they were able to beat that team and come all the way back i'm not sure what the comeback was but i believe they were down a fair amount of points at one point in the game i'm bringing up they were down so they were down 20 to they were down 20-10 at one point. So 10 points. At this point, it was midway through the third quarter where they started to mount a comeback. And they held Green Bay scoreless. So Aaron Rodgers and company, and they were able to score on that Green Bay defense, which is pretty stingy.

So I am intrigued by the idea that the giants can play and it's not like we have to rely on on daniel jones to pull these things off they have they have a pretty decent defense the giants have nice front seven that was bullying aaron rogers all all morning and we'll say morning because we're in the Eastern time zone, and I believe that it's one o'clock in London at that point in the time. But let's hold on that team because they're built on kind of defense and running the ball with Saquon Barkley, who remains remains healthy to this point. And you do have a pretty good, dare I say, pretty good wide receiver core when it's healthy. And notice I say when it's healthy, because when he gets, when it's healthy, it is pretty talented. I like Kadarius Tony.

I know Sterling Shepard's done for the year. Darius Slayton's always shown flashes of brilliance. And on top of that, you have Kenny Galladay, who did have some pretty good days in Detroit. Granted, he was playing with Matthew Stafford, but good days. The Eagles, and so going on to the other teams, the Eagles, they look really good. They look like the team to beat right now in the NFC. And they're beating teams like it's nothing almost. And I'm pretty sold on that team at this point in the year. I know it's early, but I'm sold. And the Cowboys, that's another team that I wouldn't say I'm sold on as a contender,

but I'm getting around to the point where I think that they're, that they, this is a wild, at least a wild card team playoff playoff team at least because they're winning games on defense and running the ball, which is a very, which is actually a fairly sustainable way of, of winning games. You let your quarterback not turn the ball over, and you have weapons in the passing game where if you do need to throw it, you can do it. You have CeeDee Lamb. You have Michael Gallup. You have Dalton Schultz. Those are all pieces that you can throw to you and can come through in timely fashion, as we know as Patriots fans looking back at C.D. Lamb's game against, oh boy, we very nearly had that game, but we won't go in depth with that.

But this is a division that I wouldn't say I'm buying into it quite yet, but I'm intrigued by how they're playing. And they do have some talent if you look closer at the team i know it's easy to just clown on the giants and say it's a paper four and one but they do have some talent there saquon barkley when he's when he's healthy and it is a is the real deal and he showed that that defense led by cave on tibideau and that the rest of that front seven really was performing. And they do have pieces to throw to when they're healthy. So I do like this division, and I think I wouldn't rule out the possibility this could continue. I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not ruling it out, but mark my words.

If Saquon puts together a string of bad games or goes down the offense is done their season's over right like that entire team literally hinges on saquon barkley's ability to produce and you know and and unlike you i will actually say that this is a paper four and one i mean they're not beating anyone good except i mean do we even count green bay anymore i mean they just have rogers and some decent pieces on defense but i'm not sure i think with the way that they're built as long as they play to the script the the game flow as as uh if you will then yes i think that this is a team that you can call that you can call it at the very least competitive especially since you have aaron rogers back there

all right fair enough you know well as far as the giants go i'd say let's just reopen this case a few weeks from now and we'll see where we stand right because if they went lose the next three games and we could throw this take this this potential take, out the window. Yeah, yeah, of course. And I'm sure, like I said, I am sure the Cowboys will be in the mix at that point. And the Eagles, I am sold on. My dog's, my two-year-old pup is rummaging around.

I hope he doesn't do anything. Oh, he's gotten into something. Jesus, Doug. All right. Well, we do want to move on, and we'll put this to rest until later on in the season. But the roughing the passer penalty, and the question of the way it is called has arisen again. So there were a couple of questionable calls this past weekend. And I wanted to touch on that and how we feel about the way it's called

and what it means for the rest of the season. We'll get to that next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. F comes down with a football. They're saying it's a catch. It's in. Oh! Diggs! Skyline!

Touchdown! Unbelievable! Slings it way down the field. The walk-in! Sammy Watkins for the touchdown! Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski podcast. Adam Wright here with CJ Medeiros. So we've moved on to the next portion of this show where we're going to go over a couple of these roughing the passer calls that happened.

One, the first happening with Tom Brady where he was thrown to the ground and it looked like a clean sack. But they called it roughing the passer anyways. It was pretty, you know, normal. Nothing happened. And everyone turned around and said, well, look at this. It's Tom Brady getting away with calls again. He's getting calls. Then on Monday Night Football, it happened yet again.

Chris Jones breaks the defensive tackle chris jones breaks through the defensive the offensive line and sacks derrick carr stripping the ball away now at this point he has the ball in his hand by the time it was called and ian rapaport some but some insider tweeted this is the first this might be the first time ever where and a roughing the passer has been called when the ball is in the defender's hands so cj what do you think about how the roughing the passer penalty is uh is being managed here hmm now let me tell you something i i'm gonna cross sports real quick now as you may know i'm a basketball guy as well and this is and the roughing the

passer call is getting to be as ridiculous and downright asinine as a technical foul in the NBA. And if you watch the NBA, then you know their technical foul situation is out of control. And frankly, I don't think it's really any surprise that we're seeing an uptick in stupid roughing the passer calls after Tua Tagovailoa gets his brains turned into mashed potatoes. It's the NFL saying, oh, hey, yeah, we care. Here's a flag. Maybe it is. Maybe it's not.

I don't know, but it wouldn't shock me. And furthermore, I really thought it was just the ref showing favoritism to, like, Tom Brady. And, you know, but they also do that for Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. But they did to Derek Carr. And I'm noticing that, like, you can't touch the quarterback anymore and like you said it could have been a roughing the passer because the ball was already in the defender's hands and and it's like now they have all these rules like oh you can't put all your body weight on the quarterback you can't hit him below the knees well while he's in the pocket and now it's like you can't hit him

below the knees when he's out of the pocket they made that change and now uh and now as soon as it's gonna be like you have to count to seven mississippi before you blitz it's or it's like you can't make eye contact with the quarterback but this is where we're going adam and this may sound extreme but is it really is it really extreme i personally don't think so and the n NFL and the Players Association and all the odds and ends there need to sit down and say, all right, this is roughing the passer and this is not. You know? I mean, you'd think they'd do that. But the fact that it's so up to interpretation aggravates me it's just and like i said and then you have jerome boger who keep in mind was literally had his crew ejected from the playoffs for his bungling of the bangles and

raiders game he literally said you know about the tom brady uh roughing the passers like oh yeah well there was intent to injure there's like it was unnecessary How do you know that? You don't. All right. So I brought up a little stat sheet here of these four NFL quarterbacks who are in the league currently and the roughing the passer penalties that have been called since 2012. So keep in mind, two of these players weren't even in the league. So Tom Brady in 235 career games, 27 roughing the passer penalties. Aaron Rodgers in 216 career games, 28 roughing the passer penalties.

Patrick Mahomes in 79 career games. Keep in mind, he just got in the league in 2017. Didn't start until 2018. 20 roughing the passer penalties. Good lord. Josh Allen in 73 career games. 24 roughing the passer penalties. So, the roughing the passer penalty,

it started off with Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers with protecting their star players. Now that Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen have taken over the league and Brady and Rodgers are still there, but now that Mahomes and Allen are the faces of the league, it's getting worse than ever. Especially since the 2018 season that's when this really started coming up where there were issues remember when remember when clay matthews was having this trouble oh my god yeah yeah yeah because he

there was yep there was also he put his body weight on the quarterback or something yeah stupid and it was happening all year with all defenders throughout the league. And I remember there was the AFC championship game where it was just inconsistently called. There was one play where a player barely touched Patrick Mahomes and then they made it a – or no, they barely touched Tom Brady and they called it. And then there was one play where Patrick Mahomes nearly got killed and they didn't call it. And then there was, there were, it happened all throughout that season. And it's just such,

like, you gotta be consistent with it. If you're going to, if you're going to call whenever he gets killed, or if you're going to call whenever he gets killed or if you're going to call whenever he barely gets touched, I'd say that's fine. Just pick a side. I would rather it be when he gets killed because that's actually when it matters. But that's just me.

But at least stay consistent with it. Because it's really causing issues within... The league and their officials are losing credibility and you're going to get to the point where it's like the nba with officials calling the their superstars on on on uh traveling because you see it all the time and it never gets called yeah it almost never gets called and when they do you, you've got the LeBron Jameses and the Giannis Antetokounmpo's of the world having the audacity to argue with it.

Like this dude walked, like ran halfway across the court and LeBron James thinks it's a civil right to go ahead and question a call that you violated. The whole thing is just ridiculous. And it's, it's, it's happening now with the quarterbacks in the NFL. Yeah, Adam, I agree. And here's something that really burns me about this. Are you ready? It's not evenly applied. If you're someone like Geno Smith, a defender could take your head off

and the NFL would not give a singular damn. But if you breathe on someone like Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady, you're lucky if you don't get suspended. It's just, it's the favoritism that I hate among all else. And, uh, yeah, that's just, that's just my rant of the day. Oh, trust me. I have plenty to rant about. Luckily with both of these, with both of these calls, I really didn't have my, me personally, I didn't have a dog in this fight. I don't care much for what Tom Brady does. He's already, even as a Brady fan, he's already accomplished enough regardless of whether he wins or loses this year.

And he does have a chance. Not the strongest team he's had in Tampa. But in this Raiders game, so it was called against the Chiefs, but the Chiefs won anyways, as we covered on a couple segments ago. Pretty dumb decision by the Raiders, but we've already covered that as well. But I don't know. I mean, unless it happens in a big game, I'm not going to be standing up ranting about this,

but it is something that I wanted to look at because this is just a lot of, it's just stupid. It's really bad. But do you have anything else to cover before we reach our Fumble Rooski fantasy fix? No, no, I do not. All right. Well, we are, in fact, ready to move to our fantasy football segment.

Note is the Fumble Rooski Fantasy Fix. We're going to get to some waiver wire pickups this time around as the waiver period is almost here. So don't go anywhere. You are listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. here's edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet edelman comes down with a football they're saying it's a catch This is the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright here with CJ Medeiros. We have reached the Fumble Rooski Fantasy Fix,

where we're going to cover anything fantasy football. On Fridays, of course, we have our Stardom Sit-Ums. But on Tuesdays, such as today, we have our stardom sit-ums but on Tuesdays such as today we have our waiver wire pickups so we're going to jump right into it and start with running backs we got Latavius Murray who was just freshly picked up by the Broncos and we also have Kenneth Walker for the Seahawks now that Rashad Penny has gone down. And for Latavius Murray, Javante Williams is gone, which leaves only Melvin Gordon back there and Mike Boone. But I love me some Latavius Murray.

I've been loving that guy for the past few years. Whenever he's a backup and he steps in for the RB1, he always does great things. So go and pick up Latavius Murray. Kenneth Walker as well. Then going on to wide receivers, we're going to hit on Randall Cobb. And with so much uncertainty, and I feel like we've gone over a few different Green Bay wide receivers for these waiver pickups, but with so much uncertainty in that wide receiver core for the green bay packers anyone who puts up a good performance go pick them up because god forbid they pick up some consistency and you

don't get them then you have egg on your face because you didn't pick the right green bay wide receiver there's also jacoby myers who just came back for new eng, and he showed out with Bailey Zappi. Go pick him up. We also have, for tight end, we have Hayden Hurst, who's starting to gain some steam with Joe Burrow as his new quarterback. And we also have Evan Engram for the Jaguars, who is doing some great things, the former first-rounder, and so is Hayden Hurst. So go pick either of those guys up.

Now heading over to our quarterback streamers. We have Geno Smith versus Arizona. That is a juicy matchup against a Cardinals secondary that continues to struggle against quarterbacks. And Geno Smith has been red hot this season, throwing to Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. And the next guy is Jimmy Garoppolo with a nice matchup Jimmy Garoppolo is always a nice fan uh streaming option if he has a good matchup

he's always he's serviceable he has a nice he has a nice high floor I'll say um not the highest ceiling but if you need if you need quarterback, go get Jimmy Garoppolo and Geno Smith. We also have for defense and special teams streamers, we have the Commanders defense at Chicago, and we have the Bengals at New Orleans. So take advantage of any defense going against Chicago because that offensive line is so bad and Justin Fields continues to turn over the ball. Until that stops, keep starting Chicago's defense.

Also Bengals against New Orleans. Turns out Jameis Winston, his turnover issues are the same as are returning to what they have been for most of the season so there you have it that is our fumble ruski fantasy fix with our waiver wire pickups but cj do you have anything to add before we move on to our fumble ruski fan box uh no i do not all right well we are going to move on talks where we talk about this uh at this time around we're going to talk about some of the most disappointing players the underachievers

in individual performances so far this season we'll hit on that next and your answers and give our reactions don't go anywhere this is the fumble ruski podcast here's edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet edelman comes down with a football. They're saying it's a catch. It's caught. It's a catch. It's a catch.

It's a catch. It's a catch. It's a catch. It's a catch. Touchdown. Unbelievable. Swings it way down the field to Watkins. Sammy Watkins for the touchdown. You are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting.

I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros. We have reached the Fumble Rooski fan box where we post a question filter on our Instagram every Monday and you can respond with hot takes, questions, and more. And we will discuss it and give you a shout out on our podcast. Respond to next week's fan box question to be featured on our show. Now, the question of the week was, which player has underachieved the most this season? So a lot of good answers, starting with Cola DJ,

who said James Conner. And I would agree. That offense, as a whole, is really underachieving. Kind of a middling Arizona team where we thought they would be pretty good. And James Conner is in the epicenter of that who had a great season, but he was a little touchdown dependent last season. Yeah. Going on.

We have cash withers who said CD lamb. Here's what I'll say. He's not underachieving because when you have a back is Cooper rush. That's my point. You got Cooper rush throwing to you. And Cooper Rush has been pretty good throwing to CeeDee Lamb. He does lean on him a lot. But when you succeed like that with a backup, I've got to say, not too bad.

Yeah. Not too bad. He's been pretty good with CeeDee Lamb. Patrick Williver said Kyle Pitts by a million and i i would agree his yardage is way down he is not playing the same as he was and he hasn't improved on his touchdown production which i predicted would improve yeah i remember that adam despite uh despite his uh regressed quarterback play over there, I didn't think that would be an issue. I had seen other tight ends be able to succeed

despite a lack of quarterback play. We saw George Kittle back in 2018, I believe, where he had 1,300 yards and around 10 to 13 touchdown recept touchdown receptions and i thought he was pretty good with nick mullins but and cj bethard yeah and it worked out then but whatever i'll uh i'll call it a cold it ain't over till it's over kyle 10 catch pits they call him yeah tyson tate said alan robinson and i would agree the Stafford ate him or something because he only throws to Cooper Cup either either he either they have some issues with money and uh and girl problems or who knows but it could be he's not getting open but he's really not being utilized in that offense.

And you've got to wonder if, especially since the turnovers are really racking up for Stafford early on in the season and the losses are, are starting to rack up. Maybe he's lean, maybe Stafford's leaning on Cooper cup a little too much, so much so that he forgets so much so that he forgets the rest of the offense even exists um but let's see where's my spot all right nick norman said baker or russ take your pick

and you would be right with both of them yeah mayfield man baker mayfield and Alan, excuse me. And, and Russell Wilson. And we got a lot of picks for, for both of them. So we'll have plenty of time. We'll have plenty of time to touch on that secret weapons consult, weapon consulting said Russell Wilson. And I guess we'll touch on it now since someone else said, we, I mean, we, we touched on it on our last episode that this team is just, they seem too fat and happy. They feel like they, it seems like they wanted to, they felt like they were going to show up and become contenders. And I understand what they, that they might think that because they do have a lot of talent,

but talent means Jack. If you don't do anything with it and you don't work a famous man known as kevin durant once said hard work meets beats talent when talent does not work hard and alan uh and russell wilson is swimming around in uh in all his money saying broncos country let's ride and thinking of other new catchphrases to say during press conferences um Derek Hull said Kyle Pitts yeah uh like I said I would I hope he and part of it's not his fault because the quarterback play is pretty bad yeah but Ted catches all the season man i don't know about that through five weeks that's not good like it's and so good pick uh eli turner said please force

russ to cook broncos country that's right maybe that will be part of you know how there's these contracts are starting to have these requirements yeah Russ to cook. Russ, you have to work hard. Work as if you feel like you're going to be traded tomorrow like you were in Seattle. Because apparently they were trying to trade him the whole time. No wonder why they felt

why he felt like he had to work so hard because he felt like he could be putting on a different uniform any day now. Now he has that security and he has that fire is out um ian mulhern said matt ryan and that would be correct i i thought that the colts could be a dark horse team to contend in the afc especially since matt r Ryan has a track record of leading some playoff teams. This was probably the best roster he's had in years, and he's done nothing with it so far.

In fact, he's probably one of the worst pieces of it so far. Does he lead the league in interceptions and fumbles? Yeah, something like that. It's not good. Yeah, but look, Adam, here's the thing. Indy, this is an indictment on you. You keep trying to put a Band-Aid on, like, a severed limb. Like, you have to find a franchise quarterback.

You've had bridge quarterbacks since, like, what, 2017, 2018? Since Andrew Luck in his last season. And even before then, there were a couple years and even before that there were a couple years where they were trying to stuff like jacoby brissett and name the other backup quarterback they had while they were waiting for andrew luck to get healthy so they've been they've been having trouble for most of the 2010s and now into the 20s 2020s so that's been that's becoming an issue for the colts and i don't know i just thought this time would be different because it was matt ryan and i thought maybe it wouldn't be like patch like uh like peyton manning on the broncos but

it would be like close to it because it's Matt Ryan and he is a pretty good passer at his prime. Slater Griff, is it Slater Griffith? It's Slater underscore G underscore 12. And I know you've pronounced his name yourself. Just it's hard. It's hard to find, look into the names because we get so many responses. Yeah.

Is it Slater Griffiniffin griffith i think it might be griffith i don't know i don't have it something like that he said a rod is nothing without davante and i touched on this early and i touched this earlier on in the episode in his defense it's very tough to play without any targets as a quarterback. It's tough. Even in our years watching Tom Brady as a New England Patriot, in 2013, in let's say 2005, 2009, when you have trouble with targets, you're not going to be as good. We saw it in 2019 with Tom Brady.

When you have targets versus when you do, the stats are just night and day. And it doesn't mean you're not a good quarterback. You can still figure things out, as Rodgers clearly is because they're 3-2 and were 3-1 until they lost at the last second to a team that's a gritty Giants team so far. I know you think it's paper. three and one until they lost at the last second to a team that's a gritty giants team so far i know you think it's it's paper um i don't know like you know it's he's doing the best he can with what he has and i'm i i do have a little bit more respect for him that he's buying into a team that doesn't have as many weapons

because usually you see him crying over the fact that he doesn't and now he's work he's doing his best with what he has and the team's just not designed for the for rogers to put up statistics and i am applauding him for being okay with that because usually he's not yeah um all right and robert shelly said baker i was rooting for him but he went from badass to ass ass real quick isn't that the truth all right listen i know i was never a big baker guy and i guess i bought into him a little bit before last season but if this doesn't confirm that he's not really the real deal, that he's going to another team that also has talent

and is not doing anything with it, then I don't know what does. Well, I mean, his coach is terrible. Yeah, I was going to say maybe Matt Rule, and now he's fired, so let's see what happens now. And maybe the offensive line, because they don't really have too much there. But Christian McCaffrey is healthy for an extended period of time now, which feels weird because usually by this time at like week three he's hurt,

and he's done until like halfway through the season. Then he plays three games, then he gets hurt again. Yep. And so we'll see. We'll see with him. Brian Cody said Justin Fields. The Ohio State QB curse is real. And you could say that Justin Fields is how you could say that.

Like he hasn't been very good. And you could also say that it's because I didn't, you didn't really have many expectations for him to begin with. Because even if this kid can play, he's not going to get the chance to throw before he gets a defender in his face. I mean, that's what happened a couple of games last year. Miles Garrett was in his face and sacked him six times. It was unbelievable. But yeah, that is a good pick.

Diego Larios said, not a player, but Zach Taylor and his play calling. His play calling was an issue last year. But the good thing was Joe Burrow and company were able to overshadow it, and the defense was able to be serviceable and win them some games. Now they're not winning games and zach taylor's play calling is sticking out like a sore thumb now yeah whereas before nobody's improved and so is the o-line just the coaching can you imagine if somebody like mike tomlin or bill belichick had that team yep yep all right diego huertas said by far russell wilson is not even a question

it isn't a question that he hasn't underachieved it's been bad and i i i've he's always been a guy who i've respected i loved his work ethic he's like a grit he was a really gritty guy in seattle he was never the best quarterback but he played his heart out and he never backed down from a fight and he worked he worked hard with some really lacking for a lack of a better term seahawks teams where they really didn't have too much i remember a couple years tyler lockett was their top receiver and not no disrespect towards tylo lockett he's maybe a low-end wide receiver one maybe he's more of a wide receiver too but he worked with that and was able to bring them to a playoff to a playoff a playoff spot they didn't win any games and they lost to the

cowboys in the playoffs which does say a little bit because he lost to the cowboys in the playoffs but he was a he made that happen and now he has he was able to do more with less in seattle now he has more and he's doing less with more which is not a good look on his part well adam you know what they say broncos country let's rise jesus if i hear that one more freaking time from you and And it won't be the last for the rest of the season. It's only going to get louder. Oh, yeah. Jack Briel said Najee Harris. Yeah, that Pittsburgh O-line's doing him no favors.

That offensive line sucks. It's like having to walk through quicksand. Jesus. You also don't have Ben Roethlisberger peppering him with targets and bringing his PPR status like through the roof I remember there was a game he had like 19 catches and he he put up like 30 points or something like that it was incredible but you know there's no Roethlisberger to do that it's all

Kenny Pickett and you know Mitch Trubisky. But it's still a good pick. I mean, he hasn't been great. A lot of it's not his fault, but still. Grayson Mortimer said, Alan Robinson, again, get this guy some targets and you might start winning games, Rams. And I am looking at you, blanking on the head coach's name, and I shouldn't be.

Sean McVay. I'm looking at you, Sean McVay. As you are one of the best on coach name, and you are yet to utilize, you are allowing your quarterback, Matthew Stafford, to just force feed Cooper Cup. And I get it. Cooper Cup had an incredible year,

but if you continue to force feed them, then you're not going to win games because everyone knows where the ball's going. And that becomes a problem when defense and defenses can guess when you're, what you're doing. John Warren said Raiders, but Derek Carr, mostly.

Yeah. Josh McDaniels. I just said that. I'd say Josh McDaniels too. He's just not a good coach, no matter how much talent he has. But even so, I feel like Derek Carr should have a lot less interceptions to this point.

Oh yeah, absolutely. He has, he has four picks and only eight touchdown passes. He has 1200 yards, which is good. He always racks up the yardage, but when you have

when you have davante adams to add into a wide a pass catching corpse that already had uh uh darren waller and uh hunter renfro then uh you start to look at the quarterback and you think what's going on dude especially when you have josh jacobs who's having a kind of a career year low-key um all right and so our last response is jad noem noah man no let me know in the comments what uh or in the dm i know a lot of you guys hop in the dms after i post the fan boxes you said ross so we can do our last russell wilson rant of the of the uh of the night before we end our show because that is our last response but anything else you want to add because we've we've uh we've crapped all over quite a bit i'm not gonna say it i'm not oh who am i i'm gonna say it. I'm not. Oh, who am I kidding?

I'm going to say it. Broncos country. Let's ride. You were fighting. You were fighting demons when you were, when you're fighting not to say that. I'm sorry. It's so funny how confident he was.

And then he came in and just rested on his laurels. I mean, he doesn't care. It's so plainly obvious. He doesn't care. It's so plainly obvious he doesn't care. And now Broncos country let's ride is just like the mantra of just underachieving. And it looks bad that he continues to say it. Yeah, he does. He was so cavalier after losing. I honest to God wonder if he cares.

He said after asked about what he feels about the team struggling so far and underachieving, he said, no, I'm having a lot of fun right now. He literally said that. He literally admitted at that point. That's basically admitting that he thinks that losing is fun. If you are, and this is what separates him from the and i'll say aaron rogers too the aaron rogers the josh allens the tom brady's the mahomes the mahomes is the world this is what separates him from all those guys because they they hate they hate losing more than they love winning they think if they lose they can't fathom losing and i look at tom brady more than the other

the other three guys that we mentioned especially aaron rogers i'm sure he loves winning and i'm sure he hates losing i mean he gets bitchy when he doesn't win but like still there's i don't see i don't see i don't see russell wilson feeling this I mean, even Devontae Adams, who left Aaron Rodgers, and I'm not condoning his behavior at all, but he slammed his helmet down. He pushed a guy down because they lost the game. And the team's 1-4. At that point, a lot of guys would just turtle and just be like,

oh, well, this guy was pissed. And Russell Wilson's saying, let's ride. He just seems so, oh, well, this guy was pissed. And Russell Wilson's saying, let's ride. He just seems so, oh, boy. That's, I hope he gets his head screwed on straight because this guy is too likable to not, to be hated like this. He's, I don't know. All right.

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