The Fumblerooski Podcast - Bill's New Apprentice -Ep 22 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

The 2021 NFL Draft has occurred and there was no shortage of surprises to occur in the first round. Tensions have risen between Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers as their franchise signal-caller has stated that he does not want to be with the team anymore. We discuss these topics and more on Episode 22 of The Fumblerooski Podcast.

Good evening. It is time for the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 Dean Radio. I'm your host, Adam Wright, along with co-host Justin Tucker. We have a great show planned tonight. We have the NFL draft that just went on a few days ago, a few surprises there, some drama going on with Aaron Rodgers and with him between him and his team. So Justin, tell me a little bit about our the whole situation with our school, how we had how we've kind of had to go back. We got sent home and all during the all during the finals process. Yeah. Oh, man, I thought everything was calm. Cool. It was a Wednesday. Everything was fine

until I got done with classes. I'm chilling in the room with Adam. Everything was cool. But I knew something was wrong earlier in the day. The reason I knew something was wrong is because when I look outside, half the lacrosse team is being booted out. So I'm thinking, hmm, this doesn't sound too good. But I'm like, hopefully this doesn't happen to us. But unfortunately, that dreaded email came. Dr. Rooney said that we could not stay on campus past Saturday, May the 1st. It is now May the 4th. So I've been home for the past couple of days. May the 4th be with you. May the 4th be with you. It wasn't with us on May

the 1st because we had to be home. And I'm very upset about that because I did want to stay up there to at least finish my finals and then go home. But that's the way the cookie crumbles. It's an unfortunate situation. I understand why they crumbles. It's an unfortunate situation. I understand why they did it. It's just, why just let us stay on campus? See, for those of you who don't understand,

so our school, the president of our school sent us an email saying that because we had a little bit of a rise in cases, which I actually found out is actually not quite true, by the way. We just had a lot of cases in around the same spot. But I mean, that's a side thing. But they basically said, so we were originally scheduled to move out around May 5th or at least a couple hours after we finish our final exams. But the issue is with a couple of cases that came up, they decided we're going to move out on May 1st. Now, my problem with this is what is for like May 1st versus May 5th or May 3rd for some people, like what's the difference? You know, like you're just creating this big hassle for everybody else. Uh, all these kids who live out of state, such as

Justin, Justin lives in Maryland and, uh, we go to school in Massachusetts. So, you know, this, this became a, just a big, massive bleep show from start to finish all while being in the in the process of doing finals so those all got uh some of those got moved online and they had to improvise and everything it's just um covid just stinks let's just get over with get this over with get the vaccine distributed and get on with our lives this thing thing is just a massive crapshoot. Absolutely unbelievable. But we're all home. We kind of got home early.

So that's kind of the whole situation with us. But enough about us. Let's get into what you guys really tuned in for, and that's our football coverage. And the NFL draft, as I said earlier, that has just taken place. And we have some, uh, we have some surprises, uh, including what we're going to lead off with, which is, um, the 49ers who finally took their quarterback. Um, but it wasn't the quarterback that we actually expected. Uh, and that was Trey Lance. Now it, the 40, there was a report that came out just before the draft that came out that said, okay, they've narrowed their options down to Trey Lance and Mac Jones.

Now, leading up to the draft, the weeks leading up before then, it was all they're going to take Mac Jones. They're going to take Mac Jones. They're going to take Mac Jones. And they go in and they take Trey Lance at number three. Um, we were all worried about them taking Mac Jones because we're like, you trade up and you take this guy, you take this guy when Mac Jones is available. And even Justin Fields is available who dropped down to number 11, I believe 11 or 12 is, it was just absolute. It was absolutely insane. I couldn't believe they were actually thinking of it, but they actually, to me, to me, they took the right pick here.

Justin, what do you think? I absolutely believe. Well, hold on. But since it was between those two, I believe they made the right choice in Trey Lance. However, I really wish they would have taken Justin Fields. And I think Justin Fields in Chicago is going to prove maybe he should have been the second or third quarterback taken out of the draft. But it was between Trey Lance and Mack Jones. So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they chose the right quarterback. Mack Jones is the pick of the letter when it comes to the top five first-round quarterbacks, and that's kind of how it played out in the end.

Patriots got him at 15. And when Trey Lance was there at the third, and it was between him and Mack Jones, I was like, hmm, who are they going to take? Are they going to stick with the same old, same old with Mack Jones? Because they basically have that in Jimmy Garoppolo or Jimmy G. But they went different. I think they value Trey Lance's ability to run, which will help out that offense tremendously, especially with the scheme that Kyle Shanahan likes to do. So I believe it's a good pickup.

And I believe in a couple of years, he'll be a franchise quarterback that will help them win some games and hopefully win the Super Bowl. I don't know. It's pretty hard to control – to compare Mac Jones to porn star Jimmy, that absolute stud. The kid looks like a Greek god comparing to Mac Jones. Did you see the way he walked up to the draft stage on draft night? He was walking up like a substitute teacher walking up to break up a fight in the cafeteria. Yeah. He can't compare to Jimmy G.

Like the way Jimmy G talked to Aaron Andrews and made her blush on live TV. Oh, God. He's an interesting looking dude. But you know who isn't an interesting looking dude is porn star Jimmy. Man, that guy is a stud. All right. Enough drooling over him. Speaking of Matt, speaking of Mac Jones, the Patriots actually wound up taking. So Mac Jones actually wound up falling pretty far. He fell all the way down to number 15, which wasn't expected for most of these past couple months leading up to draft night. We all thought most of the quarterbacks were going to go all up to number – in the top 10, top 12.

But Mac Jones actually fell to them and they take and they took him um and i'm i have to say i'm a little surprised because i actually thought if it was only mac jones available they'd just go defense or it would it would be just like bill belichick to just take something that isn't a need just go for a uh go for an offensive lineman or something stupid like that but they didn't they took their quarterback um now a lot of people like this pick and i gotta say i'm not a big fan it just feels like everybody's comparing him to tom brady and saying oh he's unathletic just like tom brady so he's gonna be great and i gotta say it's not it's a bit of a flawed narrative. Just trying to say, like, because he reminds you as a prospect,

not as a player in the NFL, as a prospect, as Tom Brady, the draft prospect, that all of a sudden this means that they're going to be good. Do you know how many bums have been drafted in the late rounds who look like Tom Brady as the prospect and have, and wound up being absolutely nothing and trying to say, well, this guy has, this guy is like, here's the thing. As much as I'm a, the biggest Tom Brady fan out there, I have voiced that very well. If you were comparing Tom Brady as the draft prospect, the guy who bombed his NFL combine, who looked like skin and bone, who looked like you wanted, you look at him,

you wanted to give him a sandwich. You just felt that urge. And like, you look at him and you compare him to Mac Jones and try to say he's that Mac Jones is going to be good because of that. If you're comparing Mac Jones as a prop as any player, as a prospect to Tom Brady, when he was a prospect, then chances are, he's not a good prospect. That's just the way it works. You know, he, he, it's like Tom, the reason Tom Brady's story is so great is not because of just because of his success in the NFL, but it's because he beat long odds. And he did this as the skinny gangly looking kid, uh, who just comes onto the scene and takes his, takes the team to a super bowl in his second, in his second year in the

league and first year starting. That's the, what, that's what, that's why it was a great story. People didn't look at, people didn't look at Tom Brady't look at tom brady during the during before during the draft process and say oh my god this guy's going to be the greatest of all time yet they're looking people are looking at mac jones that way and like i i gotta say um with his play style uh i know it's worked a couple it's worked before in in the past to be sort of a player who's not quite so mobile but kind of sits back and he's just – he's mainly a pocket passer. Now, that play style works if you have a brain like Tom Brady and you have the work ethic like Tom Brady. But the issue is you have to have that. And I'm just not sure if mac jones does and like i think the

best case scenario this guy turns out to be like kurt cousins i really hope i'm wrong um but you know he he has that same play style um he's good when there's weapons around there's weapons surrounding him he could be a very he could be a solid quarterback, but it's hard for me to believe that he's going to be this great, great quarterback. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'm a Patriots fan. Go Mac Jones. Let's see how you do. But Justin, what are your thoughts?

About his work ethic, as far as I'm concerned, I don't think it's Tom Brady's, but I don't think it's nothing to scoff at. He did go to Alabama. Their work ethic is ridiculous. So I'm not going to just poo-poo it and say, oh, he doesn't have a good work ethic. I think he has a great one. I'm just not sure it's at that Tom Brady level yet. So what I want him to do is sit and learn about the offense and learn about the nuances of Josh McDaniel's offense to like learn all the bells and

whistles of it before I want him under center. That's why you have Cam Newton there who's going to save your season. Mark my words. You guys might make the playoffs with him as your quarterback. Superman saved the day. But anyway, it's not about Cam. It's about Mac Jones. As much as I just crapped all over Mac Jones, I'd rather have Mac Jones than Cam Newton. You don't want Superman on your roster? I've told you plenty of times, and I don't see why you can't get that through your head.

Because I think now that he has weapons, he can finally do a little something now. I think you guys can go 9-7 to 10-6 and might be able to scrape into the playoffs. There's only so much you can do and you have a noodle for an arm. It felt like the majority, like 75% of his production was with his legs. That's nothing that any sort of weapons can enhance really. only do sign so many tight ends and wide receivers and run and uh running backs and some protection uh just for cam newton to run 10 15 yards before he gets caught but that's the first down it's a

well if he actually makes it past the line of scrimmage or if he doesn't decide to throw it and you know drops it and your receiver drops it. And your receiver drops it. That was not the issue this year. Okay. Okay, we're just going to ignore it. All right, enough about Cam. As far as Meg Jones is concerned, I'm happy you guys took him because I actually thought for a second there you guys were going to go defense

because it was only him. I was like, is Bill Belichick really going to do this to the Patriots? I'd love it as a Ravens fan to see it happen. But I was like, you guys need a quarterback of the future, and you guys believe Cam Newton is not that. So you guys have to take Mac Jones now. I mean, I just think they need to take him. They can't just take a quarterback just because it's a need.

You've got to take the right guy guy especially since it's that quarterback I mean that quarterbacks mainly they define your franchise you know and like when you kind of just go for a quarterback just for the sake of doing it I mean do we know that Mac Jones is the right guy I sure hope so but if it turns out they just took him just so that that bill belichick could satisfy the fan base and just kind of uh make bell bob craft a little more happy i mean i don't want that i'd rather go with a bridge quarterback for a year and then wait for our guy to come along because you know this is a process feels like i mean and it feels like when you take any quarterback just for the sake of taking him it sets you back because you have to give him a chance for a couple of years

before you can even come to the conclusion that you need a quarterback again. Well, you got to see it. You give him this year to learn and then next year to see what he has. And if he doesn't have anything you want, you go into next year's draft. Or, I mean, the year after, like 2023, Bryce Hall from Alabama. And I can't say the guy's name from Clemson's name. It's DJ something. I just can't pronounce it. Forgive me. But you can go into that draft and see, all right, there's some quality quarterbacks that we can take, but you still have to give him

the opportunity to show what he has. Now, of course, he looked phenomenal last year at Alabama. He had weapons on top of weapons on top of weapons from Jalen Waddell to Devontae Smith to Najee Harris and that vaunted Alabama O-line. But I believe with the Patriots, he'll be able to develop as a quarterback, learn under the offense and be able to be at best a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback quarterback i'm not sure he'll be top five because being top five means you are very very good but if worse comes to worse if you guys don't want to go through the draft and do it i could see y'all going to green bay either trading for aaron rogers or or you guys can try to get jordan love from. I mean, that's just my personal opinion.

I'm sorry, at running back? No. I'm talking Jordan Love, as in the quarterback out of Utah State that the Packers took last year. I was – sorry, I confused him with Bryce Love no uh the other guy um I mean honestly as much as I've talked about Cam like if we're just looking at a bridge year um kind of just run with this team and you know go nine-7, or sorry, 10-7, 9-8, and then kind of just go from there. And, you know, that's what a lot of teams have done before in the past. I just don't know.

I just don't know about this kid. I really, I'm very iffy on him. I really hope he winds up panning out but i mean we're like i think best case scenario he'll turn out to be maybe a kurt cousins maybe a little better but i i i don't know call me a pessimist if you want but i'm i'm but I don't love the pick. You're being a pessimist. If he turns out to be a better version of Kirk Cousins, he's a top 10 quarterback. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Like a slightly better version of Kirk Cousins? I mean, I don't think Kirk Cousins is all that great of a receiver, or sorry, quarterback. I know he's not a good receiver, but he's a top 15 quarterback when he's on.

I believe when he's on, he's a top 10. So I think if he can be a better version of that, Maggie Jones can be a top 10 quarterback. Right, but it feels like Kirk Cousins, he mainly benefits from the talent around him. For most of his time in Minnesota, he's had pretty good talent around him. He's had targets to throw to you. In Kyle Rudolph, he's had Adam Thielen.

Stephon Diggs for most of his time. And then when Stephon Diggs gets traded, he gets, uh, Justin Jefferson, who's almost a Stefan Diggs clone. You know, it's, it's kind of like, uh, I just think he's, I just think he's benefited from, uh, an offense where he hasn't even had to in, in recent years, it hasn't really had to do much because it's turned into a run first offense too with Dalvin cook on the team. So, uh, it's like a, a player of Kirk cousins caliber. Um, if we're comparing him to Mac Jones, if that's the case, then three, then Mac Jones is going to need a lot of weapons in order to be effective in this league.

So I really hope I really, I still hope I'm wrong. Even if he winds up being a Kirk Cousins, like I don't think I want that because it feels like Minnesota in recent years has just been stuck in football purgatory where they have talent everywhere else, but the quarterback is just good, just okay. That's somewhere I don't want to go i don't want to go to seven and nine either but i don't want to go to the i don't want to go to what the vikings have done where they're just flip-flopping around kind of in the playoffs kind of not yeah i i get what you're saying but all you guys have to do is get like a true number one receiver but the patriots

aren't good at that they're good at getting tight ends but not a number one receiver so that's something you have to work on well it depends on how they do it if they they sign one or trade for one then they can do it they can get a good receiver it's just drafting one uh they have been able to draft tight ends but doesn't look like they'll have to do that since they've already signed Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith. So, I mean, I was just a little – if there's anything I was going to be disappointed about during this offseason, it's the fact that they didn't really go that big at wide receiver. They kind of went with Nelson Aguilar and this other kid who's been kind of an afterthought in the 49ers offense in Kendrick Bourne. Now I get he's kind of he had a good year this past year, but if you think about it, that

49ers offense was injured all year long. And it felt like Kendrick Bourne was just kind of left to take all the scraps. All those targets where when George Kittle was out, all those targets when Deebo Samuel was out, when Brandon Ayuk was out, all those players were in and out of the lineup all season long. And there was also all the what all the running backs that the that the quarterbacks throw to those those guys were getting hurt all the time it was just an injury prone team and it felt like kendrick bourne was just kind of there just to benefit from it so it's you know i like their i i like their position better now that they have Mac Jones,

but I want to love their position. I don't want to just be like, oh, they could win a couple games. They could, you know, one of those things. All right, well, we're going to go on to the Cincinnati Bengals, who at number five made a bold move where everybody thought they were going to address the offensive line. We've been hearing all this blowback from literally everywhere, the media, the fans, about how Joe Burrow was not protected last year, and he tore his ACL because of it, and he was out for the rest of the year. So you would think, the whole world is thinking, all right, they're going to get Penny Sewell and they're going to address the offensive line

and they're going to protect their franchise quarterback. Wrong. Instead, let's go with, let's take another wide receiver when they already have Tyler Boyd on the team, when they already have T. Higgins on the team, and when they have a – they do have a running back as much as people don't like him. He is – Joe Mixon is serviceable to say the least. He does have some fight in him. He does have some fight in him. They have a running back, and so you – and they address the defense a lot during this during this offseason

but what did they do they went wide receiver you know what this is reminiscent of to me you know what this is reminiscent of the cowboys what happened last year the cowboys when they needed defense they went cd lamb and you know that offense wound up being pretty damn good that year up until Dak Prescott's unfortunate injury. But that defense was horrible, and if they end up killing Joe Burrow in the same way that the Colts killed Andrew Luck, then that's another potential franchise quarterback down the drain. Now, I've always preached, if you try to take a franchise quarterback,

you need to protect him. You need to take care of him, especially in the early years of his career, because that's when he's most vulnerable. That's when his mental state is at a point where you want to hit the ground running. And we don't want to ruin Joe Burrow. He's a kid with a lot of promise, with a lot of talent, and despite such a rough season, he showed a lot of promise. And I love the way he played with T. Higgins and Tyler Boyd. Now, Jamar Chase could wind up making that offense a lot better. But Joe Burrow is now going to get killed. And this is a real head-scratcher for me. So we'll see how this goes. They did address the offensive line earlier on in the year, but, or sorry, later on in the draft a little bit, but I just, you need to, that's your top priority. I just don't understand this pick, but Justin. I understand it. You want to give

your boy a weapon as good as like Jamar Chase. I get it. I understand it. You want to give your boy a weapon as good as like Jamar Chase. I get it. I understand it. And I believe they looked at the deaf at O-line this year and thought we could get Jamar Chase now and get an O-line in later. Or we can get like Pene Sewell now and probably get an Elijah Moore like in the second round. So I think it was just like trying to pick between those two, and I think they went with the former. And I'm not happy about it whatsoever.

I was upset when it happened. They didn't need it at all. They didn't need it. They don't need a wide receiver at all. They don't need Elijah Moore. They don't need Jamar Chase. Just address offensive line. The LSU connection.

That LSU connection between joey burrow and jamar chase i guess they'll be lighting it up in the league together it'll be a problem if joe burrow's on his ass all the time but it is what it is so i just hope they can fix that o-line situation for joe burrow because they are ruining him in the same way the Colts ruined Andrew Luck. And it's not even on the same level because Andrew Luck didn't have like a torn ACL in his rookie year. Joe Burrow did. So it's like you're not off to the best start with him. If he's my long term investment, I'm doing everything I can to make sure he stays upright. Because if you saw him last year, he was actually having a pretty good season on his way to like a 4,000-yard season.

And then tragedy struck. So why am I putting him in position to be in that line of fire again? No, give me Panay Sewell. Let me move Jonah Williams to left guard where he belongs. Keep Billy Price at center. That'll short my left side of the line. And that'll stop basically most people from getting through and hurting my quarterback. So I got at least four years of good line protection.

And then I have a good enough wide receiver core with T. Higgins and Tyler Boyd, who is very underrated in my opinion, but doesn't get the recognition he deserves. And we'll see what we can do on the AFC North. The problem, I don't mind that after some time, I don't mind the Jamar chase pick because I'm like, all right, they believe that he'll be a nice little weapon for him and he can get yak yards, which is fine. If, if he didn't have to go on the AFC North where the cornerbacks are very good and very plentiful, especially on the Ravens. Because where is he going to go? Outside is Marlon and Marcus. Inside is now Sean Wade. And then our safeties are starting caliber safety. So I'm like, OK, this isn't going to end too well for them. So hopefully they made the right pick. But I'm having a bad feeling about this for Joe Burrow. Exactly.

Exactly. It's – I don't know. It's – they're really – it reminds me so much of Andrew Luck on the Colts. And, you know, they definitely looked at that Joe Burrow to Jamar Chase connection. They wanted to reunite them. They just couldn't resist. I understand the temptation of it,

but you have to resist that temptation. You just have to. And they really screwed themselves over because this is their franchise quarterback i get that jamar chase might be a absolute stud in this league but it's it's quarterbacks over receivers quarterbacks and wide receivers are more disposable quarterbacks last longer and they're they are your franchise they are the star of the show they they run the whole offense and if you're not going to protect him then you're going to screw yourselves over

you know you're just going to ruin him this early in his career you you almost you already came close with this acl tear i hope he's all right yeah um but i mean he's he's bound to get the crap beat out of him again especially in the north with that o-line it's not going to get any better exactly it's we hope for the best for him but it's not going to look good against the ravens or the steelers and not even the browns either because they just fixed their defense too oh my god I feel bad get well Joe get well it's it's it's a tough situation all right now moving off from the draft and on to another onto another topic that's actually getting a lot of attention, which is that Aaron Rodgers has actually voiced, there's been a lot of reports saying that

Aaron Rodgers does not want to be with the Green Bay Packers anymore. Now, the Green Bay Packers have been very, have still been, they've dug their heels in the stand. They said, we're still not trading him. He's our guy. We're holding on to him. But the damage is done. He doesn't want to be here.

There was reports that said that they were trying to trade him earlier on in the season. And then they told him, well, we're just going to hold on to you. And then he kind of just said, well, like, regardless, I'm out of here. So this is a really interesting situation. Obviously, one of the top, perennially one of the top quarterbacks in the league in the past five or so years. It's been, he's, it's an interesting situation. in the past five or so years. It's an interesting situation. But Justin, what are your thoughts on it? It's not the last five. For a decade, this man has been top five.

For over a decade, you could considerably say he's been a top five quarterback. And it's not even just to say. So the way they treated him after he got you a Super Bowl ring, after he's gotten you consistently to at least, what, five now NFC championship games, and you guys do him the way you guys have been doing him, it's just not right. As a Packers fan, I'd be upset at the organization. Every chance you've had to get to slight this man you have, you said you were going to trade him prior to the 2019 season you then

decided i want to keep him and but then draft his successor what is that how do you think he's going to take that that's a slap in his face and then he goes out and has this mvp season brings you out to the nfc championship game again thought he had four tries at it which is probably why he thought maybe i could fit this into davante adams and he goes and goes incomplete is probably why he thought, hmm, maybe I could fit this into Devontae Adams and it goes incomplete. He probably thought he had four shots at it. Then Matt LaFleur said, uh-uh, we're kicking the field goal and said, I trust Kevin King more than Aaron Rodgers. That's what happened. Oh my God. He trusted Kevin King over Aaron Rodgers. That cannot be forgiven. Y'all don't give him any help. Y'all don't give him any skill positions. The last time they had a skill position player was Javon Walker in 05. No, somewhere around that time. Forgive me if I don't remember. Oh, it's up. It's been 15

years since I've given him a first round receiver. Now you guys got lucky in getting Devontae Adams lucky because he shouldn't have been there in the second round, but you guys got him. So fair play. And you guys treat him this way. It's unbelievable how much crap he's been dealing with. And then all he wants is like a contract extension and you guys refuse to give it to him. What are you doing? Or not exactly not give it to him, Give it to him the way he wants it because he doesn't have any guaranteed money right now. So I'm like, give him some more guaranteed money. It's Aaron Rodgers. How hard can this be?

Why are you making this more difficult than it is? He is your future for right now. I understand you guys took a high draft pick, a first round draft pick on Jordan Love. It was a mistake. Should have gave this man more help. Now we're fighting on it. And you were waiting to get Justin Jefferson in the first round? Trade up to get him. Don't wait there Devontae Smith, I mean, Devontae Adams and Justin Jefferson could be on the same team. It's unforgivable. It's very unforgivable. If I'm Rodgers, I would have left today. I would have left today after the NFC championship game. So here's the thing. There's a couple of ways that you can, there's a couple of ways you could look at this, and I understand both sides. So on one hand, you could look at it through the way that you're seeing it, which is that this team hasn't really helped them out a lot, and I think in some instances they really haven't. Another way you could look at it is they could – in some ways they really have kind of catered to him a little bit. For example, when they – when he didn't want Mike McCarthy on the team anymore and they brought in Matt Matt Lafleur to basically let him do whatever the hell he wants. And they didn't, and, and he didn't. And on top of that, you have one,

you have the best wide receiver in the league and Devante Adams. Um, you have a very solid tight end now in robert tunyon you have you have uh you have what has been a serviceable supporting cast in alan lazard um we can say it we can say all we want about 50 fit mr 50 50 ball mvs uh marquez valdez scantling butScantling, but he's a serviceable toy. You've had one of the best – for the past couple of years, you've had one of the better running backs in the league in Aaron Jones. And along with a left tackle who is one of the best in the league. And the defense has gotten much better over the past couple of years. So I real, like on one end you can say like, yeah, he hasn't helped.

He, they've in, in some ways they really didn't help him. But on another end you could say, well, there has been times where they have, and they have surrounded him with some good talent. Even before the Devante Adams, there was, uh, there was Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb on the roster the Devante Adams there was uh there was Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb on the roster and Devante Adams on the same team so like and you can understand what you can in a sense you can understand I don't agree with uh I don't agree with um the draft pick either I think they you don't draft Jordan Love but you can understand why they'd be like okay you are we've done all these things for you and you're still not you're still not okay with it all right

then we're just going to take this next guy and maybe we'll just push we'll just push you away and we're just going to move on without you you know they they haven't they've been you. They've had talent on this roster outside of Aaron Rodgers, and they have one Super Bowl victory to show for it. And every time they go to the NFC Championship, I think there's only been one time where it was actually close, and it was this this past year and it was and it wasn't exactly a good oh i guess i guess uh 2014 was was pretty close too but good lord how do you not win an nfc championship dude and do more with the best wide receiver in the game that let's can we stop acting like they he hasn't had? Because I really hate that narrative. He's had plenty of weapons over his career.

Just saying. And I get it. His defenses haven't been great. But I feel like you should never, if you're Aaron Rodgers, you should never finish below.500 at all. And he's done that a couple of times. I don't know. As like, quarterback?

Or as like, overall? Like seasons? Overall, seasons. Alright, so as for the seasons, injuries. If he's not injured, they finish above 500. I mean, don't injuries also play a part in it too? You gotta stay healthy. You can't always be living for the highlight real

plays. You got to play smart. Condition yourself well. Sometimes it happens. Like in 2017, they were 4-1. He took a bad hit by Anthony VAR in week 6 I believe, and he was out for the season because of a shoulder

injury for most of that season. So if he stays healthy, they're good. I'm going to knock out like every point you brought up one by one. The Mike McCarthy situation, it was only inevitable at the point because I think the relationship was like, he's not helping. He's more like hurting. And if you look at Dallas, I mean, he's not exactly helping them either. So I'm like, okay, I can stretch myself to see where Aaron's coming from in that – from that juncture. But when it came to actually – to, like, put his input on who the head coach should be, because as a quarterback, you should at least have some input as to who your head coach should be. They gave him no time of day with that and basically said, you play, we'll get the coach. And then they hired Matt LaFleur,

who granted is not a bad pick. 26 and six, I believe is the record. But again, you don't do that to your franchise quarterback, the one that you... And then why don't you tell him ahead of time that you're drafting his successor? I don't think he knew that they were drafting Jordan Love. So I think you blindside him with that, tell him to play and just let us hire the coach, and don't let him have any input into the organizational things when he's the franchise of your team, and he's the reason you guys are in these games most of the time. I think that's quite unfair to him. And as far as the weapons are concerned, I think Devontae't become like the number one

guy until 2017 if you look at like 2015 and 2016 their best it's kind of hard to say like oh my god they were like phenomenal they had a good wide receiving court but you weren't looking at them as if oh my god jordy nelson's like jordy nelson or randall cob is like Randall Cobb of 2014. And like Devontae Adams was like 2018, 2019 Devontae Adams that we now proclaim is the best wide receiver in the game right now. They were good pieces and Rogers made them better. And I wholeheartedly agree with that. Like I,

I will take that one to the grave. The fact that he took that team like on a six game winning streak and went all the way to the NFC championship game was a testament to how good he actually was and uh yeah of course he he has talent I think he's a very good player I just think um I just think the attitude plays into it I I think um at this point you you have to take into account the fact that that he's not winning the whole thing at all. And when it matters most, he doesn't elevate – he just doesn't elevate the team. I mean you look at players like a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady.

They don't just jump out on the stat sheets. You take the eye test, you look at them and their ability to win and come through in these big moments, and they do. I don't really see that from Aaron Rodgers. You see it in regular season games, but you don't see it in the post season, and you don't see it during meaningful regular season games either. I disagree. When you ask him to perform, I think he does perform. In 2016 against the Cowboys, he performed when you asked him to perform. Against the Seahawks in the playoffs, asked to perform, he performs. Sealed the deal.

So it's not like it doesn't happen. On that six-game winning streak, when they absolutely had to win to make the playoffs, he did that. Which season against the Seahawks is this? 2018, 2019, 2019, 2020. 2019, 2020. They went 13-3 in the playoffs. Yeah, but that was just a better – that Packers team was just a better team. But again, he still had to, like, deliver.

If he loses that game, we're looking like, oh, Aaron Rodgers again can't perform. He delivered in that. And then in the NFC Championships games, I hold one to two of them against him, and that's the Falcons one, and I'm not sure about the San Francisco one. I don't hold Tampa Bay against them. And I don't hold, am I missing? And I, yeah, I don't hold, I don't hold Tampa Bay against them. I'm like, Kevin King needs to be cut today. I'm still upset about that one. I just feel like when you lose all these NFC championship games, it's not an accident at that point. They've made it to one Super Bowl.

They've made one Super Bowl. Okay, but he only made one. And the reason they got there that year is because of the defense, by the way. I disagree with that. But I do believe the defense did play a big part of that. But the reason they weren't contenders was because of Aaron Rodgers after a while,

because that defense wasn't as good as it was made out to be. True, they had Clay Matthews, but after that, it wasn't really much. Charles Woodson? He left after 2013? No, he was on that team. No, but Charles, this was during their championship year. Oh, you mean that year? Yeah.

Yeah. But then he got injured in the Super Bowl. So, like, I think after halftime he didn't play. Right. So Aaron Rodgers came through in the Super Bowl, but it was the NFC Championship game where he was struggling After halftime, he didn't play. Right. So Aaron Rodgers came through in the Super Bowl, but he didn't. But it was the NFC Championship game where he was struggling a little bit, and he needed a little bit of help from the defense. Yeah.

Not the best game from – not the best of games, but I'm happy he was able to overcome that to get to the Super Bowl. I'm like, okay, time to perform. What do you have? And he performed quite well under the circumstances Bowl. I'm like, okay, time to perform. What do you have? And he performed quite well under the circumstances. So I'm like, okay, he got one for Titletown, just like Brett Favre did. So I was expecting more from them. I was expecting like two or three rings from Aaron Rodgers. Did he give me that? No, but I don't always hold that against him. I hold that to some of the lackluster things that the Packers did overall.

And to prove a point, he's an MVP this year. So if they chose Jordan Love with the fact that he looks like he's on a downgrade, he looks like he's on a slope, and then he does that. Now you're in the dilemma you're in now because now he wants to leave and you don't believe Jordan Love is anywhere near the development he needs to be. So it's like, okay, what do you do now? Do you try to keep Aaron Rodgers? Do you just try to force Jordan Love out there to see what he has? And I think the situation they're in now, they completely deserve it. Yeah. Well, it's interesting.

We'll see how it all plays out but um we'll we'll see i feel this is going to be a blockbuster whenever he leaves i feel like it's going he's going to be he's going to stay on the team uh during the he's going to stay on the team for the 2021 season, and I think during the next offseason he'll be out, and then that'll be it. It depends on where he'll be from then. But that's another conversation to be had on where he ends up going. But it'll be a good conversation because he's Aaron Rodgers and I kind of want to see where he goes

that'll do it for us tonight thank you for listening to us make sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel check us out on Spotify and Google Play also be sure to follow our Instagram at FumbleRooski underscore podcast to keep up with our podcast and the latest coverage on the NFL

otherwise we will see you next week. Over and out.