The Fumblerooski Podcast - Chickening Out -Ep 433 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

On today’s episode, a breakdown of the Maxx Crosby rescinded trade, and where both the Ravens and Raiders go from here. The Patriots make moves on day 2, and Kyler Murray signs with the Vikings. Chris Costich, Justin Tucker, and CJ Medeiros talk all this and more!

On today's episode of the Fulmleruski podcast, probably one of the more unprecedented things that we've ever seen. And it was the biggest story out of the beginning of free agency. Max Crosby. That's all you need to know. Go over some of the Patriots deals. And Kyler Murray signs with the Minnesota Vikings. This is the Fulmuriski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws.

Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get. that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fumble Ruski podcast by Power 88 Dean Radio in Secret Weapon Consulting. We got CJ, we got tuck, we got myself, Chris. Boy, Wednesday night.

One of the most random nights in sports. Yes. Yeah, BAM out of bio dropping 83. I thought it was Tuesday. No, it was Wednesday. Okay, I wasn't Wednesday. Okay, I had a, I don't know, man. Yeah.

Oh, no, it was Tuesday going into Wednesday. Okay, that time frame, yeah, just continue. I'm sorry. Let's play a little, let's do a little icebreaker to ease ourselves into this story. How about BAM out of bio dropping 83? I, congratulations to him. congratulations to getting that milestone. It's now Will Bam,

Kobe, which is insane when you think about it. Which you could also debate that Bam is the leading score. No, we can't. We'll actually hit 100. Okay, Chris,

I know you disagree, but hear me out. It's not that I disagree. I think it's the first time I've ever actually heard anyone like, in real life, confidently say they dropped 100. No, I did. And do you know how I know?

there's literally like a recording of the game. You can listen to it on YouTube. There's literally the audio broadcast of the game. That proves it. Like that audio recording that is still preserved is where that debate starts and ends, like the end. Yeah. And people get it confused because they don't see any like physical proof of it

outside of like the picture of him holding up the hundred. There's actually been audio of it being released. And there have been people that have seen the game admitted. Yeah, he did it. So I don't see it like that. But as far as Bam goes, congrats to him. The last like five minutes of the game, some of the most unethical hoops I've ever seen in my life.

That doesn't take anything away from what he's done. It's just unethical how bad it was. And for the Wizards to let him get to, first off, 70, then get to 80 is insane to me. Yeah. It's one thing that like, and Bam's not really like, he's he's one of the best bigs in the league I'd say yeah and well like he's not known to really be dropping 30 consistently

never mind like 25 to be honest but like never mind like 50 would have been fucking insane for him 80 is like what the fuck did I just well I watch this dude get triple teamed triple teamed like what the fuck usually he wouldn't be this aggressive but then I looked at how many players were out for Miami they had like five players out better usually yeah Yeah, they've heard that night. Andrew Wiggins and Tyler Hero.

If Hero was playing, he's definitely not getting 80. You can, Hero won't allow it. Yeah. For real. Congrats, Ben. You deserve it. Yeah. I'd say, like, 43 free throws is fucking ridiculous.

That's for sure. But, like, the wizards are also, like, bear hugging them at the same time, too. Yeah. That's my thing. It's like they see 43, but is it, like, his fault? or is it like the wizards are actually foul yeah yeah exactly and the wizards are the fucking wizards yeah i mean to be fair this is the most wizards thing that would happen to the wizards you know yeah exactly imagine if try young was playing it could have been 90

that's crazy oh no all right now now into the heavy stuff at least we're talking so max crosbie in a shocking turn of a events, barely not even a week after it's announced that he was traded to the Baltimore Ravens. He shows up to Baltimore on Wednesday, has a physical, fails the physical, which, I mean, he's recovering from knee surgery, but fails the physical. And the Baltimore Ravens rescind the trade returns to the Raiders. and him reporting the physical was I want to say let's call about 10 minutes after the fact after the Raiders announced that the

Ravens had backed out of the trade and there was and everybody was like no further comment like the no further comment from the Raiders you could tell they were fucking pissed I'd be pissed too but again it's so continue so there's a couple things to look

gap from us of course the raiders no longer have two first round picks for this year next year um the ravens get the picks back they don't have max crosbie um which unfortunate because like Baltimore that edge rusher was like the thing you guys fucking needed the like badly um so that all russini comes out with the fact that he failed a physical uh And then I remember seeing a tweet or I think Adam sent the tweet in not too long after. And it was saying, I think it was Pelliserro. And he said, guaranteeing it right now, Trey Hendrickson gets signed to the Ravens tomorrow. All right.

It didn't do now, like sooner than rather than later. And lo and behold, Trey Hendrickson signs a four-year 110 million. dollar deal. Mere hours. Not mere hours. It was pretty much almost a full day. But signs the contract after all of this happens. I think the craziest report that that ended up coming out was NFL network guys.

Ian Rep. Tweeted out like what they're talking points. And one of the reports was that the Ravens planned on having both Max Crosby and Trey Hendrickson at the same time, not one or the other. Which, boy, if you or Joe Burrow, goodness gracious, that would have been, I mean, everybody in the AFC North for that matter, would have been hell. Duck, since you're the Ravens fan here, we'll jump to you, you know, I mean, just take me through that fateful night for me.

Just where were you? What were you doing? Give me your immediate reaction from that night. I was at work doing what I usually do, checking guests and making sure everything's nice and tidy, making sure everything's doing what's supposed to be doing. I look at my phone and I see Adam Schaefter and like an ESPN thing and it says Adam Schaefter, Ravens back out of the Miles Crosby trade. my heart stopped and I went into the group chat and you guys asked me how I was feeling and I said Spain without the S Spain without the S and then eventually I saw what the Raiders posted I was like what happened what exactly happened did he fail a physical or something which turned out to be

the case and I said I need answers like I need oxygen right now. And once the news came out by Palisini that he failed to physical and the Ravens eventually backed out of it. It just made things go from bad to worse. Now we still had her two first round picks, which is nice but I wanted Max Crosby.

And I was, and Ravens fans just wrapped their head around the fact that finally we're making moves that we usually don't do in the offseason. We're being aggressive and we're like, we don't need the picks if we hit and we actually make it to a Super Bowl. If we do, the pigs don't matter. And now you're telling me that we don't have Max Crosby. And I was so deflated when I got home and just so angry about everything. The next day, I'm thinking, okay, maybe we can still do something.

Maybe we can get Max Crosby. maybe we can do this then the third report comes out that we get tray hendricksson four years 112 million dollars with 60 something guaranteed i was like we're paying him twenty eight million dollars a year at 31 years old don't get me wrong if we still get like trey hendrickson when he was with the bengals i'm fine with it especially for the first two years if he gives us that i'm okay with it but when i saw the news that four years in one 12 I fell down to my knees. Oh, my God.

And then the news broke that we were supposed to have Trey Hendrickson and Max Crosby, one on one side, one of the other. Joe Burrow will be in hell every single snap with the back end of Marlon Humphrey, Kyle Hamilton, Malachi Stark, and Nate Wiggins. That would help our secondary. We would have the best defense in the NFL bar none.

I don't think there would be any defense better than the Baltimore Ravens. But that wasn't meant to be because that physical, and I don't know what exactly they saw in the physical, but it's enough for the Ravens to be like, no. And it's not unprecedented for us to do it. We've done it before with Ryan Grant and Michael Brockers. So it's not impossible for us to do it, but it's just like, nah,

I needed Max Crosby on my team. We just got a pass rush, and he's only 29 years old. And he was so looking forward to getting here. And for us to just back out of a trade like that, even though it's both understanding, it just hurt as a Ravens fan just to, like, oh, it was a tough night. And it was tough Wednesday morning, and it was tough Tuesday night when I got the news. I'm like, please tell me this isn't real. Please tell me this is a joke.

Please tell me we can fix this. But no, no fixing whatsoever. And now we don't have the ability to get Max Crosby because he's a Raider going forward. They're not moving on this because I don't think anybody can get him. Or they're not willing to give him up for the amount that he was just recently getting. I don't think anyone can spin for him like that. that anymore because everyone is now landing in spots. And I don't know what you do as the Raiders.

Do they have enough cab space to pull this hole? So I just looked because I figured we were going to end up getting to this part of the conversation. So mind you, the Raiders started top two in terms of salary cap going into this offseason. They still have about 45 mil to work with. Even with all the big contracts that they signed. Okay.

And with Max Crosby coming back, they still have enough to make it work. Yeah. Okay. That's with Crosby still on the system. Because they started with like damn near 140 million. Yes. I was so looking forward to having Max Crosby on the team. And then the thing that goes under the radar right now, even though it's big news,

Lamar Jackson freed up cap space for us this season. and we still have and we're top two in Capspace right now. Top two or three. Yep. Your test. Number two. Yes.

And I was so, I was like, yes, Trey Hendrickson, Max Crosby, Lamar Jackson freeing up Capspace so we can actually go out and get a quality receiver

or something like that. We are making moves here. Why did this happen to me? We are, this hurts so bad. I'm happy that we have. have tree injunction on our team because he's better than what we had last year even though i think um mike green will take another step forward but jeez louise this this defense just went from

historic possibly to i think good i think it'll be good this year unlike last year but this could have been historic if everyone was healthy but they didn't like what they saw from max crossby's physical something scared them off It's not the first time it has happened. There is a precedence for it. It's not unheard of, but man, this just feels so wrong for the ratings to do right now. But I wish Max Crosby all the best. I wish him luck.

It feels very weird that he came out with that post of that video, that 12-minute video, and now he's gone again, and he's back with the Raiders. They're back at square one. But it is what it is. It is what it is. indeed. CJ, I'm about to go to you, but I think Tuck made a pretty solid point

in the fact that teams aren't really going to be able to go out and get go out and get Max Crosby now because of free agency being started up and teams have already made this move. I'll go a step further. I think that it's going to be harder for the Raiders

to even trade Max Crosby because of the failed fiscal. Like the asking price has gone down at this point. And the Raiders obviously don't want, they just had Max Crosby for two first round picks. That's what they're looking for at this point. They're expecting two first round picks. No team's going to want Max Crosby for two first round picks after a failed physical.

CJ, thoughts on that? First, before I get to that, I want to talk about this from the Ravens. I'm just going to be real. That's just shitty of Eric DeCosta to do. It really is. I don't know if you saw that Tom Pelliserra report where an anonymous GM called what the Ravens did, and I quote, bullshit. And that's because it is.

And that's because it is. And I'm sure why Gians feel the same way. If you're the Ravens, good luck swinging a trade probably for us this off season. You've done significant damage to your credibility. And you just look like a generally, you know, DeCosta. I don't know if it's him or the owner Bishadhi or whoever, but you just look like an untrustworthy organization. Moving on.

And I don't, well, actually, no, no, we're not moving on. Don't give me that whole, er, but he failed his physical or whatever nonsense. That might be. Yeah, no shit he failed his physical. Almost like he's coming off surgery and you knew he wouldn't pass it. Like that, that's just like. And this has happened before where teams have traded for an injured star, even if they don't pass the physical right away. It's not about what happens right now.

It's about the future. It's about when can they? And to back out of that and therefore giving the metaphorical bird to years of precedent, I think, is just shameful. Consider and when you consider that because you were waiting for him to take up a huge chunkier cap space, you had to let many other important free agents, most notably Tyler Linderbaum and Dremont Jones, walk in free agency. They are not coming back. Yep. And so now you've got more holes on the roster.

I mean, like maybe Mike Green can step up. You know, you got Trey Hendrickson. That's huge. But, you know, you just lost two big pieces of your team. And, oh, and Isaiah likely is gone. And Titan 3, Charlie Kohler. is gone. So, yeah, so you were banking on Crosby, and now you are poorer, essentially, going out of it

than you were going in because you couldn't sign any of those for agents. And for the Raiders, I remember there were some talk that, oh, they might have to start voiding deals to accommodate Crosby. I thought that was a little much. And it didn't happen, obviously, you know, today's the day, I think, or maybe it was yesterday where all the deals were finalized or whatever. So this is the huge thing, though, for the Raiders. Chris, Mara how you said that they're not going to get as much.

I'm actually, Mara, you said you were going to take, Tux take a step further. Well, I'm going to take your take a step even further. Okay. I think for the Raiders. I think that for the Raiders, you are looking down the barrel of the two most feared words in a trade, salary dump.

What we are going to be looking at could, very well be a pure salary dump and you know the rules of a salary dump you don't get jack maybe can't be honest you get a first round pick raiders if you're lucky like literally if you are lucky you will get a first round pick salary dumps you're not you're usually looking at like a second on a good day maybe max crosbie doesn't go for that but the failed physical well well it was bullshit for the Ravens to a draw, he did still technically fail the physical. And even if, you know, there was that precedent of you still trade for him because not about where he is, about where he'll be. In fact, I think his doctor said something like he's ahead of schedule. Yeah. That's still going

to be a question mark for teams and still enough to plan to see to doubt in a lot of teams' minds. And for the Raiders, you now, you know, you still have that contract. And you're not really hurting for cap space, but you're not afforded as much flexibility as you otherwise would have had. Also, no Max Crosby. Sorry, Ravens. Just, you know that? Just that, that, that, never mind. It's stupid. I just want to say, no, Max Crosby. I'm sorry. Yeah. I think in terms of the prospects, like, of this, too, is that the Ravens, you could argue, ended up getting a luxury instead of a real, like, Trey Hendrickson, obviously is a need. in terms of being a good edge rusher.

He's really good in terms of a pass rush run game, not so much. You probably would have liked Max Crosby more so than Trey Hendrickson, just because Crosby's younger and is better in the run game than Hendrickson. And Hendrickson, of course, is 31, and you sign him for a four-year deal. So by the time that season starts, it's going to be 32. And you're setting up for 30 to see Trey Hendrickson when he's 30. And Lord knows if he's going to still be on top of his game by 34. Or if he's even going to be in the league.

Yeah, shut that too for all we know. Yeah. I mean, it's still not to say that Trey Hendrickson is, or it's not to say that he isn't a good edge rush because he's a damn good edge rusher. But. Guys, no. because it would have been both Max Crosby and Trey Hendrickson on the edge. Justin Matabeeke would have been in the D-Tackle spot. Travis Jones would have been our other D-Tackle,

and then Mike Green would be our utility pass rusher. So eventually he would come in on like second or third downs. This could have been generational here, but it's not. And we still have a first round pick. We could either go offense or defense with that pick. That is how picks work, yes. Yes, but I'm thinking this defense could be special, but now it's not going to be that good. It's not going to be special.

It's going to be better, but it's not going to be that good. My other thing is this, I'm going to be watching Raiders training camp this year. And if anything suspect happens with Max Crosby, I'm going to be pissed if I'm the Raiders. It could be coincidence, but it seems a little bit suspicious that during training camp, Max Crosby can't go. or he gets injured during you. So I'd be suspicious if anything happens to Max Crosby during training camp. Not wishing injury on him or anything like that. Just I'm watching that training camp specifically to see how healthy he is.

Yeah. Wait, hold, before we move on, Tuck, I actually do have a question for you. What do you think the Ravens or what do you want the Ravens to do now in the first round, the draft, that you have your pickback and you have more need? technically we i think we might have to look at the tight end spot and see if sadique will be there at 14 uh we need a wide receiver cornerback wouldn't we can't go db again because we did it two straight time so i don't know who's going to be there at linebacker if sunny styles is there i'm no he's not he's not going to be there i know if he was there i would have been fine with that but

outside of that, I think Peter Woods or something of that ilk will suffice. Because at this point in time, it's either tied-in, wide receiver, linebacker, because Rochwan Smith just ain't doing it right now. I don't know what that was about, but I just wanted your opinion. They can go in a myriad of directions, but right now I see Titan being a massive hole they need to fill because I'm not liking the person we signed. Smythe isn't going to get us anywhere. Well, you signed Durham Smyth from Miami lore?

Yep, he signed him. So, yeah, I need another Titan, too. I just wanted to ask because I didn't see that. I guess I'll ask one more question before we move on. Who do you guys think got chapped at the most, the Raiders of the Ravens? Depends on how healthy Max Crosby is. Really, it does. My gut instinct is probably the Ravens.

Because, like I said, it's a lot about just your franchise credibility has taken a massive hit. And I would imagine other GMs feel the same way that Anonymous one did. But if Max Crosby is legitimately hurt and not ready for week one, then by far it's the Raiders. Ravens fans got shafted the most here. I like that. I like that. I'm hit to agree. Yeah.

I like that a lot. because we don't even care we get the two first round picks back. Just our whole season just changed by one decision and we couldn't see it coming. This was just completely out of left field.

Our expectations were just dashed by that moment. Unbelievable. Unprecedented moment in NFL history. And I say that, not saying that trade back,

happen because they do like failed physicals happen and trades don't go through anymore but just a player to the caliber and star power of Max Crosby the trade itself everything about it

especially during the time just the timing of it all too was just unbelievable yeah all right we're going to take a quick break when we come back we're going to talk about the Patriots moves on day two of free agency. This is the Fulmore risky podcast.

It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.

All right. Patriots made some moves after day one. Day one was when they signed Dremont Jones. Day two. It went out and got Romeo Dobbs for four-year $80 million deal. Then they went out and got Elijah Vera Tucker out of New York.

And then they signed another variable guy, Kevin Byard, on a one-year deal. I guess I'll start real quick. Just to sum up the things that I said on Monday, of course, you know, signing Romeo Dobbs. doesn't solve your wide receiver one problem. You still need a bona fide guy, a guy that you know for sure is an 85 catch, a thousand-year receiver guy, which is what Stefan Dix was this past season.

Romeo Dobbs is not that. Now, could he become that? Sure. Sure, he's 25. He's got a long way to go. But in terms of need right now, it could have gone another direction. But all in all,

all I do like the Romeo Dobbs signing. I do think he's a really good receiver. But just for what the Pats need, I think could have just gone somewhere else with it. In terms of Byrd, I kind of like it. Elijah Verrett Tucker, I love it. Get some demo, a line help, especially after what you saw in the Super Bowl.

But DJ, your thoughts. So first addressing the O line, they trade center Garrett Bradbury to the Bears. Then they move guard Jared Wilson over to center, which was his natural positions. It's what he played in college is what he was drafted as. You have there Tucker left guard, Campbell at tackle. A healthy Will Campbell, I might add. You know, so you could say, Irm, Will Campbell's a guard or whatever. I just, I don't care. I don't care what these people think. I just like, I just want to say like he was literally a top 15 tackle and was the high. highest-graded rookie tackle when he was healthy.

And if anyone says, oh, but Membo's better. Well, congratulations on the Jets, because there's that whole debate. Well, Membo's a right tackle. Right tackle is just offensive line on easy mode, unless you have a left-handed quarterback. But whatever. But, yeah, so, you know, a healthy Will Campbell would be great. Vera Tucker there, if he could say healthy's huge also. But I like the Kevin Byard signing, you know, Jalen Hawkins walks.

I think he went to the Ravens actually, Tuck. Yes, he's good, but Kevin Bired, man. I love that, siding. He's so good. Oh, true Vrabble guy. Romeo Dobbs, I don't know how to feel,

because on one hand, I said to myself, Christ Almighty, I say, I don't want him. But I do like him. I'm not crazy about that contract. 80 mill isn't, I think 80 mil is what it could be worth if he hits all his incentives.

and stuff. I don't know what the guaranteed money is. I don't think the guaranteed money is anything more than like 70. That would be max, but I don't even think it's that. I just, I still think you need a number one. And I think Dobbs can develop, but I don't know, apparently I haven't even

closed the door on digs coming back. But either way, you still have a lot of mouths to feed a wide receiver, and I expect they might go wide receiver in round one or round two. It's very possible. So, I'm a little stumped on that.

But I do like the signings, and, you know, Dremont Jones was fine. I know I gave them grief for signing a fullback and Reggie Gilliam, but he is probably one of the best fullbacks in the league, at least like probably number two. Only one better I can think of is Kyle Use Check. Ricard? No, Ricard's number three.

Because Gilliam is versatile. Ricard is not. He's not versatile. I agree to disagree on your definition of versatile. Ricard is not a receiving threat. Gilliam can catch out of the bad. He scored several touchdowns catching the ball. Okay.

Are these touchdowns in the room with us? No, they're not. So I'm just saying, okay, either way, he's top three. All right, fine, if you want to split hairs. But I'm just saying he's just a little more of a, oh, I'm a fan Reggie Gilliam. I like the Draymont Jones signing. you know, Dobbs.

And the thing is, all these fans are complaining that New England didn't go out and make, like, a Milton Williams type signing like last year. These fans anger me so much. Look, if it were perhaps earlier in the day, you'd get yourself a classic CJ yelling, friend. I know we all love those. But, but no, no, no. So all these fans are complaining, oh, my God, we're taking a step backwards.

It's so over. Billions must die. or whatever. Just shut up. You know, just shut up. No, no. I don't,

I like, I like, Dremont Jones. I like that signing. I'm a little if you on Dobbs. I see the upside. I love the Ken Bayard signing. I like the Gilliam sign.

Like Barrett Tucker signing. The only signing New England made that I, like, sincerely do not like, was getting that one Dolphins tight end, Julian Hill. Three years for him is a lot.

for a poor man, Michael Holman-A-Nahuy, essentially. That's what he is. But I assume I was going to go tight in the draft, so I can't complain that much if they grab like John Michael, Jillenborg or Austin Delt-Live. But honestly, what a turnaround, though, for New England, Chris. It was like, oh, they're not doing enough. Then they go out and get Kevin Byard and Romeo Dobbs and AVT. I like that, you know, I can't.

They heard the noise. They heard the noise and said that. Yeah. Yeah. Tuck, outsider's perspective. I think you guys did well. I believe you guys got your deep thread in Romeo Dubs. I think he gets more of a bigger role with the Patriots.

I think he'll get, I think you'll see more of his talents than you didn't in Green Bay. I think he'll get the ball more or more opportunities. I'm not sure if you guys will get Stefan Diggs back, but I think this was a better option than Stefan Diggs. I like what you guys did with Kevin Baird. I like what you, especially what you did online with getting Elijah Vera Tucker. You guys needed that.

I'm not sure if Will Campbell will, you know, sustain. But again, I think a lot of people saw what he was in the later half of the season. But he was battling with injury. So hopefully when he gets back healthy, we saw what he was in the first half. I think you guys made some quality, quality signings. And I think they're underrated for what they are. you guys need to help with the secondary because jalen hawkins went to us so you guys signed kevin and then as far as tight ends i agree with cj but i think you guys are still going to draft the

titan so it doesn't really matter yeah there's still more holes to fill but right now i don't think there's any any complaints to look at when i look at the team itself i'm not sure what I think they're in polls you have. I mean, you know, you'd think that, but the fans have been just, like, screeching nonstop online. And it's like, come on, guys. We made it back to the Super Bowl already, and we don't know how to act. Like, come on now. Yeah.

Have you guys made an extended Christian Gonzalez yet? No, I saw a report that said something like it's essentially, like, they didn't say a matter of when, not if, but that's basically what they said. He's probably going to get. extended. Yeah. Better to be. You deserve to be extended after the way you play and the... Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I just... But the problem is, this is something that I've noticed. Have you ever noticed that New England, like, corner ones rarely get a second contract? I think the last corner one New England had who did was, like, a tie law. Because think about it. Asante Samuel,

Kib to leave, Dorel, Rivas, Malcolm Butler, Stefan Gilmore, and J.C. Jackson. Ned didn't get a second contract. Do with that one. But not immediately. J.C. Jackson did get a second stem with the Patriots. So he did get another count.

That doesn't count. And you know it. Not as Corner 1. That's why I specified Corner 1. But, you know, like, if they actually Trey Gonzalez, I'll just go say, do you hate corners? That's why I do not own a Christian Gonzalez jersey, not until he gets an extension. Did he, did Stefan Gilmore didn't get a contract extension? No, he didn't.

we traded him to like Carolina or some other team like that for a pittance because that's what salary dumps get your kids oh well since we're bringing up conversations from the last episode I'll bring up this one as well since tuck wasn't around for it the 985 pilled conversation um in terms in terms of trading gonzalez not actually trading him but like in terms of the process. Oh, like Chris. What was that term you used again? 985 pilled.

My man. I wish I could like damp you up for the computer that was. Yeah, right. Nice. I mean, I hate, I hate 985 unless the paths are actually playing more like just a bunch of anybody. But anyways, or maybe it wasn't 985.

I don't remember if it was 985 or 937. I don't know. I just saw a clip of it. And they're talking about like, oh, like, Maybe it wouldn't be like the worst thing in the world to trade Gonzalez considering that like playing at the take that they had was playing at an elite tier level of corner. Like a lot of these guys don't only have to play at an elite level enough to sustain a NFL because there's a chance that we're going to be touching McDuffie money here. in terms of Gonzalez's worth.

Yes. And it's hard to sustain elite cornerback play for consecutive years at a time. And like most guys that that do play at an elite level at one point or another, they don't do it at an elite level for those consecutive years, like normally more than three years. It depends on who you are. You have to be like elite of the elite. Oh, yeah.

That's what I was saying. the last episode, like, there's not many people that are like Champ Bailey, you know. There's not many people that are Champ Bailey, Dion Sanders, or Namdi. You have to be like that type of player. Wait.

Did you sneak Namdi Asama in there? Yeah. I did not sneak him. He's like that. I say it was a scheme merchant. Nomdi, the ski merchant? That not, that not the awesome thing. You're good at Oakland.

Not so much of Philly. Okay, I hate that everyone calls him a scheme merchant, even though, even in his first season in Philly, he was a pro bowler when it actually mattered. Back in his day, the pro bowl actually mattered. Okay, okay, okay, no, I guess, but he signed, I believe, a four-year deal. Okay, he did that in his first year. That means there's three years left, and you want to know what happened in those next three years. Nothing. Still a better corner than Assante Samuel.

still a better corner than Asante Samuel. And they called him the problem. Yes. Asante Samuels was more injured and still got targeted more than Namdi did while he's with the Eagles. And yet everyone kept calling Namdi track. But the thing is, that doesn't mean that... Namdi was never a pro bowler with Philly, by the way. He was a pro-ball alternate, wasn't he?

I'm looking at pro football reference right now. He is not a pro bowler. That is. also samuel had more picks too so when he stayed longer and nomdi awesome was uh best years when he was in oakland whereas last three years in oakland three consecutive years uh outside of an ap second team that he made back in o six but uh he lasted three more three years in the NFL after oakland again i don't understand why everyone thinks that nomdi isn't as good as he was I don't understand where this comes from.

If we wouldn't be saying that at all. But, you know, it's a scheme fit type of deal. I'm telling you. Nnamd was like that when he was in his prime. And I will die on that hill. Yeah, no, I'm not saying that he wasn't. Like, I think you're just. That he wasn't.

I think you're just overextending what his prime actually was. I'm not. I don't understand why you guys think for some reason, like four or five years a great, isn't good enough to be in that echelon. That's my issue. Well, because when you go somewhere else and you suck, it puts things in two contexts now, doesn't it? He didn't suck when he was with Eagles.

His last year with the Eagles, yes, not his first year. And yet, he was down all across the board. So, yeah. I'm not going to argue why that was. I'm not going to argue that. Yeah. No, nor should. This is not the time.

This is not that. We are so far off track. We're talking about... That's fine. That's fine. That's okay. I can probably name 10 corners better than him. So what are we on?

Do that right now. Do that work. Wonderful. Okay. Wonderful. First of all, wait, do we... Charles Woodson, he can play corner or safety.

Charles Woodson. I'll give you Charles. And Rod, and Rod. Dionne Sanders, Chandlery, Emlyn Tunnel, Night Train Lane, Tybalt. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Revis.

There's a lot of finish real quick. I didn't hear all the names. Did he say Charles Woodson and after Charles Woodson, who wasn't? Rod Watson? Rod Wilson. Continue. Dion Sanders. Yes.

Emlyn Tunnel. No, but continue. Complete lack of ball knowledge. I know who he is. No. Daryl Green. You said Night Train Lane. Late train, also.

So that's two more. Champ Bailey. Yes. High law. You know, I'm just saying. Ironically, I would also rather have Ronde Barber over him. I would rather have Dorel Revis over him. I would take Patrick Peterson over him.

No. No. I would also take Richard Sherman over him. No. So I have literally named more than 10 that I would take over Namdiasa. Go to anyone's list and he is not in the top 10. I'm not taking Richard over 90. If we're talking career, yes.

If we're talking capabilities, no. At their absolute peaks, I'm not in it. They should just make a trophy for what if and capabilities. If that's the case, that Justin Herbert would win it every fucking year. Well, what is? What he's capable of? Like, okay.

And what was Bo Jackson capable of? before he got hurt. Like, come on. We saw what NAMD was. He was literally either one or two best corner in the league. And we're trying to talk. All right. I'm going to cut in here because, you know, like,

tuck does have a point that there were, that like point out four years of his career. Four out of five years he was a. Where he was a top two corner in the league. You know, AP first team all pro or two-time first team, AP all pro, two-time first team, AP all-pro, two-time second-team AP All-Pro. For some reason, the year that he got the second team,

he wasn't a pro-bowler, and he had eight interceptions. I don't really understand that, but whatever. Doesn't make sense. Anyways, like, I think just to cut in and move on, like, he was a very damn good corner. For his time, yes. And then he broke down 2012. Oh, also in 2011, yeah.

one also for people I forgot Hall of Famer Mike Haynes like Did you just say Pittsburgh Steelers Hall of Fame or Mike Haynes? Oh no no no no no NFL Hall of Fame or Mike Haynes Wrong person

Move on Move it was a damn good corner Or just I can't believe in 2026 We're doing non-di-a-respect Amen And no one gives him the respect He deserves which is insane to me

Fair enough. We're going to take a quick break when we come back. We'll get into the Kyler-Murie signing. This is the Flambertsky podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot.

He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. All right. earlier recording this Thursday night earlier this Thursday night it was announced that Calder Murray is going to sign with the Minnesota Vikings quarterback controversy yeah come on fire me up so yeah this might say something about what they have with J.J. McCarthy I mean who knows maybe Caller Murray to Justin Jefferson is going to be fun.

Maybe. I don't know. I mean, if there's going to be any faith in seeing if Kyler Murray's going to be good this coming season,

well, your faith relies, of course, with Kevin O'Connell. And that's, that's really it. I think that's really the only,

uh, the only real reason you can give to say Kyle Murray's going to have a good season. I mean, just look what he did with Sam Darnold, you know, da, da, da, da,

obviously, same can't be said with what J.J. McCarthy's doing, but yeah. So it definitely feels like a more odd situation going on now in Minnesota. Side note, they also brought back Aaron Jones, right? Yes. Yes. I like that. I like that. But yeah, Callie Murray to the Vikings, it's odd. It's odd.

Thoughts from you guys. Justin Jefferson has a competent quarterback throwing him the ball again. Now he'll actually be by far the best receiver in the game because he was having a thousand yards with nine, Carson Wentz, and the other quarterback throwing him the ball. So with all due respect, I think Kyler Murray is better than those quarterbacks right now. And I think Justin Jefferson can return to form. even though at times he might be frustrated that he has a toddler at quarterback,

I think he'll be just fine doing what he's doing. I think Kyler will bring something to the offense. I think he has better legs than J.J. McCarthy. I think he can add to the running attack. I think he opens things up for that offense, but at the same time, I'm not sure how much of a, how big of a ceiling he pushes it. So I think it's, let's see how far it goes. I don't think he'll have the turnovers that the other quarterbacks had,

but at the same time, it remains to be seen how good he'll be with the Minnesota Vikings. C.J. Well, this obviously is a short contract, no disrespect to Kyler Murray. And it's a, I believe it's like one year. So, and 36.8 million. And I think there's a no tag clause as well. which I believe I saw in like bleach report or somewhere like that. So that's cool.

So yeah, I'm shocked if you don't see no tag clauses more. But, you know, what do I know? So I actually kind of like this fit. Like Tuck said, he could actually gasp, expand the run game. He offers more scheme versatility. And his arm ain't shabby either. So he could just roll out of the pocket and just fire deep to, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, T.J. Hawkinson, whoever.

So, yeah, we all knew Kyler Murray was going to, you know, bind work. But for me, what does this say about J.J. McCarthy? Because I think we all saw the Tony Pauline report that said that the Vikings are just practically done with him. It's two years and they've all but given up. I mean, maybe they just want to develop him behind Murray for a year and give him another shot. maybe that helps but when your total efficiency is on par with that of jermarchus russell i think you know we all saw those numbers right we spoke about it during the season uh when those are your numbers you yeah i'm not going to lie to yet it's a little concerning just just a little bit

so uh honestly this i think is more about nine as it were than it does about Kyler Murray because I'm going to be real I can see actually no I would I would put a Texas penny $100 for those who don't know on Murray being number one

on the depth chart from training camp and they're like ooh QB controversy there's going to be a QB battle no no there's not Murray is QB1 that is it unless he gets hurt yeah there

Yeah. There's obviously a couple different quarterbacks that were in the cycle in terms of potentially going to Minnesota. Mac Jones, of course, being one of them. I don't know if you guys saw the most recent report, but it's kind of similar to, I think, something I said from last week. And it's, well, the asking price for Mac Jones is left, like, so ridiculously high that, like, it's too high type of thing. like what a second round pick I didn't say specifically but they're probably asking for first rounders I'm assuming yeah that was our reaction

which is just more to show that the 49ers may love Mac Jones like a little too much I mean he did well while Brock Purdy was injured so I understand why they feel that way it's hard to find competent backups in the game so once you find one you don't really want to give them

up. The Ravens figured that out once Snoop left and we had to rely on Cooper Rush. Yeah. Cooper Rush. Yeah. He's good with Dallas, but. Yeah, he just didn't fit the Raven system. So that. Yeah. I always thought that like Cooper Rush on the Ravens was just weird. That never felt right. like Snoop could have easily just been the career backup to Lamar and that would have been fine. I just, I just didn't think we would, Lamar would get injured and we wouldn't have to worry about it like that. But then, yep, Kansas City happened. You didn't think you would get injured?

Like you do not think Lamar would get injured with that injury history, really? It's not as bad as Joe Burroughs. Yeah, but it's still prevalent. He's gotten better. It's prevalent enough where you guys have missed the playoffs because of it. Yeah. Yes, but for the last two seasons, he's been healthy. So I was thinking, okay, he'll be mostly healthy this season.

I didn't think he would miss the amount of games he would. And then Cooper Rush just exploded. Yeah. Anything else you want to, do you guys want to touch on in terms of Calais Murray? No. No, no. Hold on. Expectations for Kyler this year?

Okay. Expectations for Kyler. I don't know. I'm not expecting him to have like the craziest year. I don't know. I could see him just being a 20 touchdown 10 interception guy this year. You know, is it wrong that I want more than that? You know, with that, with those weapons, I would expect you to, you know,

do more. Yeah. In an ideal world, I'd say 400 or 4,000 yards, but apparently that's a big ask. And I know it's a new scheme, but with those weapons, come on, man, let it rip. So I'm going to temper myself a bit. I think somewhere between 37 and 3,800 yards, 25 touchdowns, 10ish picks, anything, 20 or below is just, that's just not going to cut it to me. Yeah.

Especially, if he was on like a. mid-team that I would take that. But on team, like I said, where you are throwing to Justin Jefferson, T.J. Hawkinson, and Jordan Addison, those numbers just are not going to cut it. Oh, Tuck, what are you thinking? I'm thinking, I think he will pass for 30 touchdowns because I don't think he had the weapons that he has now in Minnesota, because when I look at Arizona, he did have Larry Fitzgerald at the end of prime D'Anjahawkins.

and then A.J. Green passed his prime boat. I think Justin Jefferson in his prime right now and Jordan Addison in his prime is just better. So I think he'll have more opportunities. And then I could see him throwing for like a little over 30 touchdowns and 3,700 yards. I could see that because they do have a quality defense. So I think he'll get more opportunities. Fair. And throw four to 500 yards on the ground, too.

He's a speedy little. Yeah. All right. Time for... The Vikings released Harrison. What was that? What? I didn't know the Vikings released Harrison Smith.

Pain. Yeah. It's rough. I wouldn't mind having him low-key because he's very smart. He's one of the better safeties in the league. I think he's past his prime, but when he was in his prime, oh, yeah. He was top three safety in the league. He'd still be a good veteran safety to have.

Yeah, I want him on my team because I want him around to teach the young guys like Malachi and maybe Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, for sure. Because he could teach them something. Yeah. I'm looking at his stats and low-key. I think he's got a Hall of Fame case. The only problem is, you know, he rotted away on the Vikings for his entire career. so he's not going to get that love.

I think he would get the love because he was with the Vikings. The problem was he didn't have an Eric Weddell type career where he came back and won a Super Bowl. Yeah. If he did that, oh yeah, he's a Hall of Famer. But that's really tough. Yeah. All right, macula grid. Before we get started,

fucking Sleeper and ESPN gave me a heart attack because it was SGA rewrites history. and the first words were Shea Gilgis Alexander breaks Will Chamberlain's record I was like And then I saw one The only numbers I saw were 129 and 100

I was like Or 120 Or something like that I forget I was like What 126 27 Shegild just passed in

For the most 20 point games Yeah I almost shot myself For a second there And of course They're playing the Celtics tonight too So I was like what the fuck

all right macula grid looking for a player that played for the dolphins and the bears the dolphins and the niners dolphins and giants a player that played for the bills

and the bears the bills in the niners the bills and the giants and a well basically I have to pull someone from the 85 Chicago Bears team uh gravy

crib bowl champ that played for the 49ers and a champ that played for the Giants. Can we do the hefty lefty for the Giants Super Bowl champion? Do you think that's a big pull? Lorenzo. Yeah, he's on the team at that point, right? Yeah.

But did he play a snap? Does he have to play a snap in the Super Bowl? Must have to play. What about Lin-Vold Joseph for the Giants? I never, we used him last episode. Oh, so I guess. Nope. Lin-Val Joseph?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He did play for. Yeah, a lot of people forget about them. No, L-I-N-V-A-L. That's right. Yep. Point one percent.

That's crazy. That's awesome. For the dolphins and bears, I have another one. Once again, Matt in knowledge here. Tight end. No, no, no, tight end. Dion Sims. Hmm.

No, D-I-O-N. 0.1. That's crazy. Well, for Dolphins' giants, it would be Darren Waller, but that seems too on the nose right now. Or O'Dell. Yeah, or O'Dell.

Odell would probably be way for a lot. You like Apple ever play for the dolphins? Yes. That seems like something, that seems like a place. But I can't guarantee it. You can't guarantee that. Chris, don't do it yet.

don't do it. I got a I think he I think he did yes. He did. He played in 2023. Did he not? Yeah, for the dolphins. All right, do it,

do it, do it, do it. 4%. Ah, I mean, that's fine. That's still good. All right, let's get a 85 beer real quick.

The only ones off the top of my head are Jim McMahon, sweetness, William refrigerator, Perry, Richard Dent, Mike Singleton. Harry.

Dan Hampton? Yeah, I was just trying to think of Hampton. There's another one. He was a corner. Or Jeff Fisher played on that team. Gary Finzick? Gary Finzick. Hmm, I forgot about him.

2%. Nice. Same Paul. Now, was Jeff Fisher a coach on the 85 Bears, or did he actually play? He was a coach, right? Year after. Yeah, he had to have a coach. So a Niners Super Bowl champ.

Wow. Got a dust off the old cassette. taste for this one kids uh got a lot of them can't go past 95 though that's the issue yeah can't go past 95 because they haven't won a super bowl since because oh yeah oh i thought you meant oh yeah yeah uh hmm got a pulling out here who was that guy that made the catch like dwight clark was it yeah dwight clark dway clark i was thinking of the one that caught it caught the catch in the Super Bowl. Brent Jones?

Wasn't Brent? No. Yeah, no, I was just thinking about Niners players that people don't think of. Charles Haley's another one, five rings. Yeah. Ricky Waters. Ricky Waters to,

uh, maybe it's niche enough. Ricky Waters may just be niche enough. Did? Or no, who just got inducted into the Hall of Fame? Roger Craig. Roger Craig, that's one.

That's not niche enough. Did, I know, wait, hold up. Did the Niners win the Super Bowl in 94? Because I know Ed McCaffrey was there. Yeah. Are we pulling Ed McCaffrey again? Yeah, but I don't know if the Niners won the Super Bowl in the 99.

Yeah, it was 94th season, for sure. Yeah, do we want to do. I mean, this is something we can look up. Oh, is that cheating, though? No. Okay. Well, we're just double checking when the 49ers won the Super Bowl. because I know Ed McCaffrey was there in 94.

I just don't know if. Okay. Technically, it's 1994 would be it. Yeah. Okay. So do we want to go? Ed McCaffrey? Is he that niche?

Sure. Well, he was on the Niners and most people known for his Broncos days. Yeah. Should we send it or what do you guys think? Sure. Right. 0.5%. All right.

Now the tough. that's lit. All right. Well, there's an obvious one for 49ers bills. Frank Gore, obviously, right? Yeah. I was going T.O. T.O.

Now, Frank Gore, T.O. Kyle Orton seems like he would have played for the Niners. He did. Huh? Did he? Yeah. How Orden might be obscure enough to work. The neck beard. Kyle the neck beard, Orton, remember?

But I don't think he did. I don't think he did, though. It was like his last stop after Buffalo. Yeah, but like, I don't think he did. Actually, you're right because I don't think he actually played in a count. Yeah. I don't believe he did, no. You could take Kyle Orton for here, Bill's Bears.

Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yeah, that might be obscure enough, Kyle Orton for Bill's Bears. Yep, that actually works. Hopefully it is. Should be. 5%. Jesus. Dancing Christ.

It was obscure enough to be 5% or our. Okay. Dolphins, Niners. It would be a good one for dolphins and niners. I'm trying to think of like, I guess the old teens or something. Actually, Frank Gore played for the dolphins, right? Yeah.

Yes. He played for every AFC team or every AFC East team except New England. But did Dante Pettus ever play for Miami? Ooh. That is a tough. Why didn't you? I don't know. Dante Pettis could have filled up Dolphins, New York.

Is Ted in too obvious? Yes. I think, wait, did Reggie Bush, I think? also? Yes, he did. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not sure about the 49. He didn't play for the Niners. He played for Dolphins, Saints, and Lines. Rahim Mosterts another one. Yeah. Oh, my God. I think I thought of one. Do you guys remember that Niners running back Matt Breda? Yes. Yes, Matt Breda. There we go.

Now we're cooking. If I can only spell Breda's last name. Bingo. Oh, 4%. That's got to be like, that's got to be sub one, dude. I thought it would be. Still a good poll. Giants bills or some bills. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Giants bills probably going to be wrong. I'm going to freaking shoot myself. Okay. Well, obviously Frank Gore is the obvious one. Takeo Spikes is another one. All right. If you want to be edgy and be a little. little chuckle man.

You could go with OJ Simpson. He played for the Niners? I believe he did, yes. T.O. is another one, obviously. Should I just send OJ? You could, but I don't know how obvious it would be. You know who did, though? But many people only know him for playing on the bills.

Yeah. Yeah. But he's also a big game. So, yeah. What about Ray Ray McLeod? he also i believe play for the niners you know the return guy yeah no i know

i just didn't realize he did wait uh what about mvs did he play for the niners no not to my knowledge no no maybe you did fuck dude

I'm I'm trying to figure out giants bills we'll get there when we get there oh the wide receiver stevie johnson i think did as well i thought he Stevie Johnson, he played for the 49ers? Yeah.

I don't know that. I know who Stevie Johnson is. All right. Stevie Johnson. 2%. Nice. Any of Roe Revis fan knows who Stevie Johnson is. Oh, yeah.

University of Kentucky legend, Stevie Johnson. Hell yeah. All right. Now, Bill's, Giants. Did Frank Gore ever play for the Giants? No. No. No, he didn't make it there.

You know, Lindvald Joseph would be another one here, but we used them already. Devin Singletary off the top of my head would be one. Tyrod Taylor, I think, was on the Giants at one point. Yep, yep. Did he play in the regular season? I'm going to type of devil's single terry for now. Just for now. If there's anyone else.

Oh. I got nothing coming to. of mind. There was this really horrible offensive lineman who played for the Patriots named Marshall Newhouse. I don't know if you remember Chris, the horrible 2019 year. The evil

Marshall Newhouse. I remember seeing his status as a journeyman and thinking, wow, we're going to get Brady killed. I think, I know he played for the Giants, but I don't know if he played for the bills. I'm not sure. I hate Marshall

House. He, he He almost got somebody killed. I'm sure he's a nice dude, though. No hate. All right. I think I'm going to go Devin Singletary and call it a night. All right. 31%.

That just shot. Wait, what was that? 31. Oh, Chris. Average score 6.7. Yeah, but that average could have been so much better. Yeah. So, so what was Devin single Terry?

60s, Devon. What was Devin Singletary, though? What was his number? Devin Singletary was 31. Good, Grave. You should have got a Markle new house, Chris. It would have been funny. Yeah. I just wasn't sure of it.

Either way, I think we did good. Most popular. Jay Cutler, no big surprise. Mitchell Trubisky, no big surprise. Walter Payton, no big surprise. Joe Montana, Eli Manning, no big surprise. Frank Gore. Yeah.

Rahe Mooster. Good thing we didn't go there. Obie J. For dolphins, giants. Good thing we didn't go there. Yeah, and Tyrod Taylor, of course, he popped up a couple times. And yeah, most people got the Giants and 49ers correct. Okay.

I think we did good. I thought, I think we did a great job. Ball knowledge has been good today, boys. Look, I don't feel like I need to study more. Yeah. because we're just going up the top of our minds now. Yeah. We need to have like just a glossary of players or something.

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