The Fumblerooski Podcast - Defying Logic -Ep 266 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

What are the Falcons really planning with Penix and Cousins? Are the Chiefs bad at drafting WR's? Have the Bears built the best situation ever for a top pick? Adam Wright and CJ Medeiros recap the first round of the 2024 NFL Draft!

The first round of the 2024 NFL Draft has come and gone. Quarterbacks were taken early and often. Tackles and wide receivers dominated round one as well. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Seek a Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros. It was a heck of a day one for the 2024 NFL draft. So as I mentioned, quarterbacks, a lot of them taken in the top 12. In fact, half of the top 12 picks were quarterbacks.

The most quarterbacks taken in such a small stretch in NFL history. And we're going to lead off with this part which is the atlanta falcons who drafted michael pennix jr yes you read that right and if you were watching the nfl draft last night you were probably also in denial when you first saw it you were probably questioning if you're reading this right or if it was just a misprint on the screen no no they drafted michael pennix jr and your memory does not betray you either yes they also signed kirk cousins to a four-year 180 million dollar deal so it's it makes i think it's an understatement to say that this move does not make any sense in the least i get that kirk cousins is old and that michael pennix jr is young with probably higher upside than kirk

cousins but you just signed him to a massive deal and let me also point out point this part out according to spot spot track dot com there is his deal is very backloaded it only has a he only has a 12 million dollar cap hit in the first year then it doubles and then it doubles again the year after that so there's really so what are you going to bench him for the the first for the next two years of his deal so after two years you just you just bench him for the next two years of his deal? So after two years, you just bench him, and he just becomes an expensive cap hit on your bench? Something about this doesn't add up.

There was some sort of miscommunication or something, because I just don't see an argument for Michael Penix Jr. being drafted by the Falcons. I think he was a slam dunk. I think the Falcons were a slam dunk to not pick a quarterback in the first round. And we were all wrong. It just shows how much of a crapshoot the NFL draft really is. But this, even by those standards, is really hard to comprehend. Yeah, Adam, it's just i like most nfl fans and mightily struggling to just comprehend

what was going through the mind of terry fontenot the gm of the falcons i just i mean is this like some kind of 4D chess or something? And I mean, look, we are no stranger to teams drafting young quarterbacks and sitting and developing them, you know, grooming, for lack of a better term, them to become the starter, right? I mean, New England's going to do that with Drake May. I mean, it's more likely than not that Drake May, who New England drafted, you know, is going to sit behind Jacoby Brissett for a year and learn because Brissett is a capable veteran. You know? And it's – I just – but Penix.

And keep in mind, Penix is 24, or at least he will be by the time the season starts. So, I mean, so the clock's already ticking already ticking i mean he's one of the older quarterback prospects and and what's even funnier is how like you said you just signed kirk cousins to a four year deal so like are you just going to trade him halfway through are you going to just have him be like the world's most expensive backup like Like I genuinely cannot comprehend what they were going to go through. And that's not the most damning part. The most damning part is you probably saw Barstool Sports on Twitter post a

video of their GM Fontenot getting chewed out by the owner, Arthur Blank. And Terry Fontenot, he's not explaining the pick. Probably he's more likely explaining why he should keep his job because just based on Blank's body language and just well I mean obviously you didn't hear the audio but based on the exchange Blank did not agree with that pick and probably didn't know it was going to happen Raheem Morris is a defensive guy you know Raheem Morris being the new head coach and I can't imagine he was kept in the loop and we now know for certain that Kirk Cousins was not kept in the loop and Cousins was shocked that they drafted a quarterback and I just I mean what else can I even say other than

just I just don't understand unless there's like really like weird strategy that they're going kind of like that whole oh we're playing uh chess everyone's playing checkers like no no you're not i don't know what kind of game you're playing maybe some kind of like weird tennis but what in the i just i don't get it yeah i don't get it either because you uh if it were a younger quarterback like young maybe but even if it just making 180 million i i know i know i know just i'm just trying trying to make, besides just going back and forth saying this doesn't make sense, let's just at least try to make sense of it. If they at least brought in, let's say they traded up for Drake May or just waited for J.J. McCarthy, who are both younger quarterbacks. That's at least half an argument, right?

So let's say Kirk Cousins plays out his deal. The young quarterback sits and learns from Cousins, who's a very stable quarterback, good leader. And then he takes over, and then you have a good young team for him to take over that is a stable situation. With Penix Jr., once Kirk Cousins' deal is played out, he'll be 28. And he'll be seven years away from being in the same situation as Kirk Cousins is at age 35. Which is not that far off if you think about a quarterback's career.

They're supposed to play for what? A good one could play for 15 to 20 years? This guy, if he's done by 28, that means maybe you get 12 years out of him. That's if he's able to play well at the age of 40, and that's if he actually pans out. So I really don't understand. Again, I wanted to say I'm trying to make sense of this pick, but I don't understand this pick. There's really no argument we can make for it. There's none. I have, I'm, I'm yet to hear something from somebody. Have you? Usually there's some idiot on the internet who's trying to say something that on why it works, but I haven't heard from anybody no one i don't i i don't know i haven't heard anyone and like literally i don't know how you can make sense of this even the most diehard falcons fans are just like left scratching their heads over this yeah and i will say this i think michael pennix jr has a higher ceiling than kirk cousins

well i didn't really i didn't really agree with them giving him the con that contract anyways he's 35 and he's never proven that he can win a super bowl with the weapons that he has worked with throughout his career he has never been able to even come close to winning a Super Bowl. I think he's won one playoff game, right? And he's had Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen, Jordan Addison this past year, Dalvin Cook as his running back. Kyle Rudolph and TJ Hawkinson. Kyle Rudolph, TJ Hawkinson.

Don't forget that KJ Osborne has become an afterthought every time we mention the vikings weapons when on any other team he might be a wide receiver too alexander madison as well alexand no i mean he was a good two he was a good two let's be honest with ourselves i guess he. He was a good two. He could step up every now and then. He was down to stay healthy. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I didn't agree with the Kirk Cousins contract anyways. I thought they should have brought in maybe Justin Fields. I thought they should have went to the draft like they just did here. Just not both.

Like, at least have a direction. It seems like you're going the young, kind of young route, and also the signing of a veteran free agent, right? Because, I mean, Penix is not going to be young once this contract is up. So what is the point of all this? What's the point? I wouldn't know. Just, and at the end of the day, and I said this off camera,

the real loser in all of this is Michael Penix. Because you have analysts, fans, and even players that are just looking at this pick going, huh? Why? And everybody is calling already the Atlanta Falcons the biggest losers of the first round. It's being panned as probably the worst pick of the first round. And you're going to a city that probably is going to have

at least 80% of the fan base now hates you because they viewed you, you without cousins as a massive, massive reach. So I just, my heart goes out to the guy doing, you guys that get reached on or just like that or just like weird picks, like the fan base like instantly hates them. And it's just, you feel for the guy. Yeah. Yeah. No, I yeah no i i totally get that um i think uh in a way you could also say that pennix kind of won in this situation

because now you have a lot of people who feel for Michael Penix rather than... Because a lot of people were saying that... In the same way a lot of people really liked Penix, there were a lot of people who also didn't like him as a prospect. There were very few people who were indifferent. Now that he was a reach and he's going to be sitting for four years, everyone is going to be feeling for the guy and more angry at the Falcons organization than they are at Pennix.

So it kind of shifts the blame for him. And by the time he's ready to start, by the time he's 28, he'll probably be more big league ready than any of these quarterbacks in this draft just because he had all of this grooming sitting behind Kirk Cousins. Okay. Hey, Adam, I don't know if you've seen this as just like a quick bit of news, but But the NFL is going to allow its players to wear the Guardian caps during games. You know those weird igloo-looking things they have on their heads at practice? Yeah. They have been authorized for in-game use.

It's not mandatory, but they're saying if you want to you can and while i know they're not mandatory i would like to pose the question to our viewers before we move on to the next subject how long until it is sure yeah sure all right um we're gonna move on and uh we're still gonna stick to the the topic of quarterbacks but just how many that were taken within the first 12 in fact half of them were taken in the top 12 um half half the 12 picks worse were quarterbacks that's next this is the fumble ruski podcast it may not have always showed it in the stat sheet but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns someone's gotta get that six or seven spot he's an elite wide receiver as a rookie truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.

Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros. So, yeah, as I teased before the end of last segment, not only were quarterbacks taken early and often, out of the top 12 picks, six of those were quarterbacks, half of them. That has never happened before in NFL history. So those picks were at one, two, three, it went Caleb Williams to the Bears, Jaden Daniels to the Commanders, Drake May to the Patriots. That was all expected. Then we go to number eight overall, which was Michael Pennix Jr. to the Falcons, as we discussed in the last segment.

Then 10 was J.J. McCarthy. The Vikings, I don't know who the Vikings were bidding against to move up one spot to go and get J.J. McCarthy, especially since the Jets were obviously not going to be taking a quarterback. But whoever they bid against, they won, and they got their guy, J.J. McCarthy. Then we go to pick number 12, where the Denver Broncos got afraid of their own shadow and reached for Bo Nix. Now it's important to understand that most of, if not all of the teams that were left in the first round, we're not in the market for a quarterback. I guess you

can make an argument for the Raiders. And that's probably the best argument you can make there is that the Raiders were hot on their heels. Bo Nix is the last quarterback left on the board who was really a highly touted prospect, a first-round type of player. And the Raiders, clearly it looked like they were going to take him. So here we are, Bo Nix at No. 12. And it kind of speaks to how quarterback-hungry these teams are. so here we are Bo Nix at number 12. Um,

and it kind of speaks to how quarterback hungry these teams are. And I look at this past, these past couple of seasons, um, the ending the Superbowl, uh, who won it and what quarterback was it? And what kind of pieces did he have around him to win the super bowl

i think i think in this sense the quarterback in this sense the chiefs are good for football in recognizing that the quarterback is the most important position on the field if you have that guy who can win if you have that one guy who is able to erase all of at least a good amount of your deficiencies, that you will have a chance. I think a lot of the league has noticed that and you are seeing a lot of quarterbacks being drafted. And a lot of these quarterback needy teams got even more needy with such a massive quarterback draft. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't really think it's like worth discussing Williams to Chicago, Daniels to Washington and made a new England, because like you said, we know we were, we, we know why they went there and we knew that it was going to happen. So Pennix was just weird.

You know, the Vikings, you know, did trade up. They just went one spot for McCarthy, which, you know, I think there was a little bit of desperation setting in. But I don't hate that pick for them, especially because there were rumors they were going to trade up, you know, give up a haul for the top five, right, to get up there. So, I mean, that's good. Yeah.

But Denver, when they drafted Knicks, and I said this, because Adam, you know, you, me, Chris, who's not here, and some others, you know, were at Buffalo Wild Wings watching this, and I said right there, that was a pure panic move. Chris, who's not here, and some others, you know, were at Buffalo Wild Wings watching this. And I said right there, that was a pure panic move. And you mentioned it right now. You just said they got scared of their own shadow. I mean, they did. That was desperation. And you reached and you took Bo Nix at 12, who probably should not have gone in the first round. Maybe, maybe, maybe like tail end but i don't know but yeah so well when you look at like the past two dynasties you know in recent vintage you have mahomes's chiefs and before that

brady's patriots it didn't matter who was on the roster because they found a way to win like mahomes yeah i mean granted he has you know taylor Swift's boyfriend there to throw to. But Rasheed Rice, Nicole Hardman, and probably some other bum I'm forgetting, those aren't good receivers. You have to remember that a lot of people have mentioned before that Tom Brady never really had a true elite game-breaking wide receiver one except for those few years he had randy moss and even then the super bowl exactly i mean you know we had julian edelman who was good i mean but to be fair that guy was a beast in the postseason i mean he obviously had gronk gronk

who is an argument to be the best tight end of all time and there's uh you, but he's also had guys like Troy Brown, I guess, Wes Butterfingers-Welker, Deion Branch, you know, Danny Amendola. So, I mean, my point is he's never been surrounded with elite talent. So the hunt is really on to find that next quarterback. And now the league has finally gotten it drilled into their skulls that a good quarterback on a middling team can do more than a middling quarterback with a great team yeah and when you see this new quarterback craze that has swept the league i just think it's symptomatic of that and not even

just quarterbacks this draft i really think shows the pivot to we can officially kill the phrase defense wins championships, or as you said, you know, I would say defense and running the ball. No, that error is dead. What good is a good defense going to do when you have teams that are just high-powered and flashy that can drop 28 in like a quarter. Yeah, I strongly believe balance wins championships above anything else, right? Look at the past couple of teams.

Look at the past couple of teams. The Chiefs this past season, their offense was a little lackluster, but it was good enough. Patrick Mahomes was able to make throws that he needed to make. Last year's Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes won league MVP, and the defense was, again, good enough. The Rams had a good defense and a good offense. The Buccaneers, good offense, good defense, right?

You seeing the trend here? The Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, good defense right you seeing the trend here the chief good defense good offense the 2018 patriots yeah my point is that 2018 new england team isn't really gonna wouldn't do a whole lot like these days because you can't just have a met offense but a lights out defense that will not do it anymore you know where it's like just keep handing the ball off and let your defense do the work that era is dead and that i believe has been exemplified by the fact that just moving away from the six quarterbacks in the top 12 yeah but i don't think that i don't think that patriots team was built to win the super bowl i

think they they really eked that one out. I think a good way to look at it was the – What's that? I said, well, okay, yes, they eked that one out. Yes, you've read a scoreboard. Good job. But my point is it's just like that era of football is dead. That is just the point I'm trying to make.

I mean there has to be more balance. Just having a lights out defense and a meh offense won't do it anymore i think the 14 and 16 patriots wipe mop the floor with the 23 chiefs the 14 and 16 patriots both of those teams were stacked okay well well yeah i mean because you know you would like julian edelman rob gronkowski like so it's not like they were it's not like they had bums on those teams i just never said like maybe they're not game breakers okay well bronc was but you know but that's either here

or there and if i may finish my point i was just saying i think that this transition into the more offense driven league has officially been solidified by the fact that it's not just six quarterbacks in the top 12. There was not a defender taken until pick 15. This is the first time I think maybe ever that one side of the ball was taken entirely in the top 10. Yep. And just offensively, it was all offensive linemen, quarterbacks, and wide receivers. And I think maybe Brock Bowers, but he's basically a receiver. And even after that, later in the first round, you were getting another burst of tackles and wide receivers.

So it didn't stop. And it won't tonight when we have names like uh, key, uh, Keon Coleman. And then, uh, you know, Troy, Troy Franklin is still out there. Um, Ladd McConkie is still there, so it's not going to stop. And there's still other tackles out there, maybe not big league ready just yet, but they could be groomed to become starters. So it's not over. I mean, there's still a lot of good prospects out there on defense, and I expect there to be another burst, but it's also just an offense-heavy draft. This is a draft that was stacked with talent, particularly on the offensive side of the ball.

So we were just expecting this to happen. I definitely think so but it's just it's it's kind of uh weird you know just like seeing just like this go down like about how like the football that at least you and i grew up with probably doesn't exist anymore probably not but um i don't think i mean when we grew up with the football that we grew up with, I don't think it was ever – I don't think it was ever defense winning championships. I think there was that one year with the – It's worse now than like now at least. It's definitely worse.

It's definitely gotten worse now. I also think defense isn't allowed to be played anymore. Oh, no, yeah. You have a very valid point where it's like, yeah, I mean, how you just like, I don't know. I mean, I know I like to say it as a joke, but I genuinely see a future within like the next 15 years where they're just going to say, F it, it's flags. But let me also tell you something. I know that I just said defenses aren't allowed to be played quite as much anymore.

You're not entirely wrong. But in that same sense, this past year, offense was down and defense was up. So maybe teams just didn't need that much of defense to begin with because everyone's defense was actually pretty good. Most. I say most. I say that in general. And offensive numbers were down and the quarterback needy teams got more quarterback needy because the offense was actually really bad. I mean, the Patriots were, I don't think I've seen a Patriots offense that was that bad in my entire

life. It doesn't say much because I was born in 2000, but still it was bad, like really, really bad. And the Chicago Bears, I know they believe that Justin Fields was the guy and maybe Fields can still play somewhere else, but I think we're letting him off way too much for the amount of offensive talent that he really did have. DJ Moore is a real wide receiver one. And Cole Komet is a very good tight end. Who's a good number two target for you. And Darnell Mooney is also a decent wide receiver. I think he's a solid number three option. And your offensive line was not as bad as what people say it is. And I'm sorry, I don't blame the offensive line when your quarterback is taking four seconds to throw

every single time he got sacked. That doesn't say offensive line that says quarterback. Sacks are a quarterback stat, fellas. Yeah. So, like, offensive numbers were down and therefore teams needed offense and they didn't need defense as much because everyone's defense is solid even our patriots after they lost some of their players their defenses were still fine they were it was a good it was a solid defense if they're off if their offense last year was as good as their defense they might be in playoff contention so it's just something to think about all right we're gonna move on to

more generalities and we're going to head into our draft day winners and losers who won day one of the draft who lost who had a really bad draft day and who had a good day? That's next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot.

He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski Podcast by Power 88 Secret Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros. Our annual draft day winners and losers. Winners and losers from the first round of the draft. CJ, give me your first pick. Who won this draft?

So when it comes to, you you know just overall draft winners just i mean you could argue rightfully that it's low-hanging fruit but i mean is it not chicago i mean granted i said that if they take a dunze that's kind of a weird pick because he's essentially going to be like your third receiver because he doesn't have that much of a case as of now to start over Keenan Allen or DJ Moore. But that offense is loaded, is it not? Yes. That's just what it comes down to. And I mean, I'm still not a massive fan of the pick, like I said, just because you had probably more pressing needs because it's kind of like a luxury but oh

it's a damn good luxury and especially with caleb williams everybody's saying oh he's like a smaller mahomes well and to your credit adam you said last night that we're gonna know right away if he can play or not because there's yep because with an O-line that's very underrated, and hopefully Williams won't be taking four seconds to throw the ball, when you combine that with a decent ground game and three good starting caliber receivers and Cole commit. I mean, there, there's no excuse to lose, right? Unless your defense just magically becomes terrible.

Um, yeah, definitely the bears. And I got to say, listen, he doesn't need to start over DJ Moore or Keenan Allen, because Keenan Allen is a slot receiver, and DJ Moore is just one of your two starting wideouts. So there is a spot for a Dunzay to start, and you have Cole Komet, and you have DeAndre Swift, and you have a young offensive line that is continuing to get better. So I'm kind of happy with how this draft day turned out for them. And I think their defense is good enough so that they can continue to progress as a team collectively and i think

this is i think this is going to be a good year for him and again like i said during our live stream last night if caleb williams can play we will find out very soon we'll find out right away almost it will not be two to three years down the road we're talking about justin field and saying give him a couple more years he'll be be fine. Give him another year. Give him another year. Or like one of those morons who after three years thinks that you need to give him another chance. Yeah, this is Caleb with Caleb Williams. You're going to find out right away. And then if we want to, if you want to, if you want to turn tail and run and go to another quarterback a couple of years down the road road you can do that and you still

have a good young team with dj moore and uh and roma dunze because yes keenan allen will be older but you still have a good uh pass catching core intact so i think they're in a good spot right now i really do um and sometimes sometimes you have to be in the same way that the, that I'm going to cross sports with the Celtics here in the NBA, you could be the Boston Celtics who can still win and be, and will yourself into contention in the meantime with good picks. Sometimes you have to be the, the Philadelphia 76ers where you're just every year fishing for draft picks and going and going out and eventually getting that franchise guy in Joel Embi bead right sometimes you have to do that it's a different situation situation for every franchise and i'm not it's i'm not crazy to cross sports because

um some teams can do that the bengals fished for a draft pick they went and got joe burrell the very next year they got jamar chase they ended up in the super bowl so you can do it we'll see how it goes um my i think my winner yeah it has to be the new england patriots i think i know a lot of people wanted Marvin Harrison Jr., but I made this point on the live stream. It is significantly harder for you to find a franchise quarterback than it is to find an elite wide receiver. You can find those in most uh in most drafts and you can you don't have to find them early on in the first round either i mean justin jefferson was the 23rd overall pick

in 2020 um and cd lamb was in the same draft around that same area so and also, where was Jordan Addison picked? I want to say late first, somewhere in the 20s, maybe. Another late first round, Jordan Addison, right? Zay Flowers was drafted later in the first round. T. Higgins was a day two pick. Brandon Ayuk was a late first round pick. So you can find those wide receiver ones anywhere, but to find a franchise quarterback who could win you a Superbowl, those don't grow on trees. If you, if you think you have the guy go and get him,

do not, don't mess around with that pick. So I think when they looked at Drake May, I think he is, um, he's the youngest, he's the rawest talent out there. I think he has good arm talent. He has great physical abilities. He's a great athlete. He's a little raw, but he's also one of the youngest quarterbacks in this draft. J.J. McCarthy beats him out by a couple of months. So if he sits for a couple of years, a year or two,

by the time he's 22, 23, he'll be ready to start. Hopefully you will have learned your lesson from recent years and have built a team around him by the time he's ready to start and you're ready to contend right away. Right? I mean, Patrick Mahomes wasn't ready to start his first year. They benched him his first season. They let him sit behind Alex Smith. They had a team built around him. By the time he was ready to take over, he was all set. It was all systems go. Four of his six years, he was in the Super Bowl, and he won three of those. And he's 28. He's 28 and is a three-time world champion. So don't tell me that sitting a quarterback for a year is a waste of time because they took that one year and now look where they

are. Would Patrick Mahomes be the same quarterback if he started his rookie year? I don't know, maybe, but I think it worked out pretty well with how they did it. And also the Ravens did the same thing, by the way. And Tom Brady technically didn't start his rookie year either. So a lot of quarterbacks did not start right away and it actually helped them out. So bench Drake May, go find yourself a good tackle, go find yourself a wide receiver one and have this team ready for Drake May to take over by 2025 or 2026. I think that's a fair, I think that's a fair direction to go in, in a professional one that a buttoned up organization like the New England Patriots should be making. So I think the Patriots are good, they made a good move today or yesterday.

Yeah, I mean, it's just, well the one thing that worries me for new England about may as not actually something may himself can even control. Just hear me out. I just, I'm worried that if new England keeps losing craft is going to have a temper tantrum and like force may in, like I said, not something he can control but i do think it's something that's like worth wondering about does that make sense i mean for example the colts drafted anthony richardson

with the sole intention on like sitting him and developing him for a year and jim ursae got impatient and forced him out I mean granted he looked fine but then he got hurt yeah so I really I don't I hope that doesn't happen oh I do too but you never know um but like I mean you can't rush these things you already did that with with uh with Mac Jones and it didn't work out whether you believe he was the right guy or not is one thing he would have been a hell of a lot better if they actually waited on him if they actually tried to build a team around him um because i i saw a little bit of of potential in him in his rookie year i did i saw a little bit

i didn't think he was the guy like ever but i think he surprised me a little bit and if he gets another chance then i mean that's, then that's a whole other topic. But yeah, looking at other winners out of this draft, let me think. I think, uh, I think the Jaguars gave themselves a little bit more, um, time in their championship contention window by bringing in Brian Thomas to replace Calvin Ridley, Calvin Ridley's 29, uh,

Brian Thomas. He's a high upside wide receiver who was looked at as one of the top four wide receivers in this draft. And he was the fourth one taken. And I, I honestly think it's closer. It's closer than people think between him and neighbors. So the Jaguars brought him in. Um, if they get their head screwed on straight and push out press Taylor, then maybe him and Trevor Lawrence are on the same page and things end up working out for them. Uh, but I think that, I think, I think they're, they're right there.

Also the, also the Vikings, um, they liked, uh, JJ McCarthy and we thought they were going to trade up. We were sure of it. But it turns out they didn't have to. They waited, and right at 10, they traded up one spot. Obviously, they were bidding against somebody for the Jets. And thankfully, they only had to move up one spot. They got JJ McCarthy. They also replaced Daniel Hunter, their star defensive end with Dallas Turner,

who is regarded as arguably the best edge rusher, um, in this draft. So they got their quarterback and they got a player on the defensive side of the ball. You could look at them as winners. If he, if JJ McCarthy pans out, they like ball. You could look at them as winners if J.J. McCarthy pans out. They like him, so I think it's a win for them. Yeah, I mean, obviously, McCarthy panning out is you also could have mentioned is that they also grabbed Dallas Turner as well, the Vikings. Yeah, I mentioned that. Oh, you did? All right.

Fair, fair. And when we talk about other winners, I, uh, I'm not going to lie. Like I feel, I mean, a lot of these guys just did. Okay. You know what I mean? It's like,

there's just, I mean, just the first round. So you're going to have to, you know, like kind of reach on some of these, but I kind of, but I like the Detroit lions,

right. Who traded up for Terryry and arnold who many myself included believe at this time to be the best corner in the draft and not just that you wheat frogged green bay to do it you know because like we all said on the show we liked arnold we were shocked that he fell like as far as he did and you know, cause like we all said on the show, we liked Arnold. We were shocked that he fell like as far as he did. And, you know, there are rumors that Green Bay was going to go defensive backfield and Detroit,

who is a lower pick in Green Bay needed it. And they swung a deal with the Dallas to then leapfrog the Packers and grab their guy. It's reasonable. I mean, think about it. So it's not just that they got their guy. It's that they screwed over a division rival to do it as well. Yeah.

And it makes all the sense in the world because the Lions needed a corner badly. They lost Cam Sutton, who was their prized free agent acquisition from last year. And at that point, the cupboard is bare, and you already didn't have the best secondary last year. That was probably the Achilles heel that you had out of that entire team. So bringing in Terry and Arnold, that was a win for them. And I think they are one of the guys who benefited from these defensive prospects who fell so far in drafts because of the offensive rush in the early part of it. I want to move on to losers if that's okay with you. I don't know if you had any other winners no no no that's fine i know you want to

mention a certain team that plays up north in the afc east the other team up north not the one in new england yeah but yes but i wanted to give another one that people keep on saying this team's a winner, but I don't like Xavier Worthy. The Kansas City Chiefs, I'll grant them this. They have a type in their wide receivers. They love those speedy guys who can stretch the fields, and they're quick. They have some quickness to them as well. Xavier Worthy kind of has that. The only problem is, I honestly think he's John Ross part two.

And maybe he pans out, maybe he becomes Tyreek Hill, but I don't think there's an in-between. It's either he's John Ross or he's Tyreek Hill. And maybe you can find some middle ground with Mikko Hardman, but what's that going to do for you? That's not going to help at all because they have Mikko Hardman. What I think is that I look at the Chiefs' track record of drafting wide receivers over the past decade or so. How many of them have turned out to be superstars? Think about that for a second.

How many? I know you're thinking about that one guy, but besides him? I mean, obviously there's Hill, but I'm just trying to think of some others in recent vintage. I mean, it's too early to tell if it was She-Rice. Nicole Hardman was actually a second rounder. And even still, I wouldn't necessarily say he was great.

And I'm just trying to think of the receivers that they had had. I mean, Demarcus Robinson was okay. Chris Conley was okay. I just see a lot of guys that were just okay. And maybe that might be a little generous, but, you know. So, you see what I mean, though? So they definitely have a type. They like those speedy guys.

It's not just that they take them through the draft. They're taking them through free agency with the signing of Marquise Brown. They like trading for him as they traded for cadareous tony so they like these guys uh i guess you could bring i guess you could bring up juju smith schuster they like bringing in these guys but how many of them i don't think the chiefs have a good track record of bringing in superstar wide receivers they don't now they really haven't i mean you gotta remember like back in when it was like the alex smith days even before they got a tyree kill like there was i mean the ahead duane bow i guess i mean i know like jamal

charles was the engine that made that offense go. So that's pretty much it. Right. So, yes, the Chiefs have been very good at drafting pretty much in general. But at the wide receiver position specifically, they haven't done that well. That's kind of what I'm trying to point out. They struck gold on Tyree Kill in the fifth round, but that's it. That's all they've gotten. I guess Rasheed has been okay we'll see how he is if he lasts in the league with the way he acts off the field but um i just it's it seems like they definitely have a type they have their their guys who they like but they don't pan out that often in fact

most of the time they don't i can only name one where it really panned out where they've got a superstar out of it so why should we believe that xavier uh xavier worthy is going to work for him yeah now you have a point so for me when it comes to my loser, how is it not Buffalo? Because here's the thing. You need a receiver, right? And you're just sitting pretty, I believe, 28, right? And what happens? What do you do?

You trade down with the Chiefs who just won the Super Bowl. Granted, Adam isn't a pile worthy, but either way, if he does become Tyreek Hill, then Buffalo, you've gotten fleeced again after you traded back to let them get Mahomes. But it's not just that. It's that they then traded, of course, as I said, went down to 32. And you want to tell me what they did? They got their fans' hopes up again and did a double trade down where you put

Xavier Worthy out of your reach and you also put Xavier Leguette out of your reach. But I will give them a skosh of credit. Somehow, some way, Adonai Mitchell is still on the board. I don't quite know how that happened, but he's still there. And right now it's about 3.40 p.m. when we're recording this. I'm sure it's going to be earlier today. But at 7 p.m., round round two the draft is going to start and right hand to god if you

don't take mitchell i just i gotta look at your funny yeah so there there are three there are three wide receivers who uh jump out to me for the second round uh lad mcconkey is one but ad mitchell and keon coleman as well and there's two teams in the first two picks uh who are in desperate need of a wide receiver in the first two picks of the second round the buffalo bills and the new england patriots something tells me one and two of those two picks are both going to be they're both going to be wide receivers it just depends on if they draft the right guy yeah i wouldn't be shocked if buffalo goes corner too because you know their defensive backfield got obliterated in free agency yeah so there's that and plus new england might go tackle because well you know they lost that big useless mound of nothing and trent

brown i'll rephrase then what they should both do is go wide receiver yeah you could argue that i don't think there's much left at tackle i really don't i don't think there's enough big league ready tackles out there after that frenzy of um what we just got in the first round. And we haven't even gotten to talking about any of those teams. Yeah, no, I think that Kingsley, Sue, Mattias, or Mattia, however it's pronounced, is probably the last one that I myself would quantify as like can start day one, but we'll see. Speaking of tackles, I'll give you one more loser.

I'll give you the LA Chargers. I know they brought in Joe Alt. I feel like we're going to say it for the same reason, but continue. I know they brought in Joe Alt, but as we were teasing, when we brought up this trade that we expected them to pull off with the Vikings, they have multiple needs. They don't just need a tackle. They also need a wide receiver.

So it would have made a lot of sense for them to trade for those two first round picks that the Vikings had so that they could tackle the wide receiver position and the tackle position on the same night because they need both like they're in dire need for both and they didn't do that now granted they did get the best tackle in this in this draft with Joe Alt so um Rashawn Slater is now paired up with Joe Alt which might be might make for one of the best bookend tackle duos in the league right now, but you don't have a wide receiver. The best player that Justin Herbert has to throw to is Josh Palmer. No, I am not mentioning Quentin Johnson. He is not their wide receiver one. It's Josh Palmer. Is that good enough for him?

No. No. You're wasting a career of a quarterback who's, quite frankly, one of the better ones in the league. And the fact that out of all of this time you've had Justin Herbert, you've only made the playoffs once, and you barely squeaked in, that's an absolute travesty, especially for the amount of talent that you have had around him during all this time.

You've added a lot to that offensive line, yet it still sucks year in, year out. You have some really good wide receivers with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and also Gerald Everett in the tight end core. And you had Austin Eckler to dump it off to as well and hand it off to. How did you never make the playoffs with that? And yes, they made the playoffs that one time. But then what happened once you got there? They blew a lead. 27-7 lead.

27-3, 27-7, whichever it was. That's bad. And now you just made it worse for yourself. Yeah, you brought in Jim Harbaugh for a better coach. But if you don't have the talent, then what are we going to do? What are we doing here? Yeah. There is one other team that I think might need to be mentioned yes the san francisco

49ers at pick 31 took florida wide receiver ricky pierce all i don't know what you at home might be thinking oh but cj you were a fan of ricky pierce all you said he was underrated. Yeah, I did. First round, though? First round. I mean, granted, late first, but huh? And forget the fact that that was a reach where you could have had Mitchell or Franklin or McConkie. Forget that for a second. Think about the implications. There are already rumors swirling that you were going to dump off Iuke. And now there's a report that says Debo Samuel might be more likely to be traded than Brandon Iuke. And even if you can't swing a trade for either of them, you've basically just said, well, old Ricky here is going to replace you. So you've probably pissed them off,

or whichever one's leaving. So you may or may not have just dug your own grave. Well, I have seen the contract situations for both players. And I'm not saying I agree with it, but I also will say that I kind of understand. Because Debo Samuel has two years on his deal left, and Brandon Ayuk has one. So you may end up, no matter what, losing one of those two players. So to bring in a guy for some insurance,

while it might piss off one of the two, it makes sense. Yeah, but I mean, there is a future, though, where I think they could have retained both. And now you've shot that future right to hell by drafting him. And even still, even if he is insurance, he's still a reach. And a pretty bad one. Yeah, I'll say that. Yeah. So I just, i don't know and not to mention out the first round of the draft is over especially if you're trading debo you've basically kneecapped yourself at what you

can get back because now you have forfeited your leverage no teams could give up next year's first i mean maybe they would but i wouldn't recommend. And maybe you can get like a second for him, but that's a second for Debo Samuel? And especially with how the receiver market is now with trades, how Stephon Diggs didn't even fetch a first. You needlessly hinder yourself, I think. Yeah. Well, I didn't think they were getting a first for him anyways,

especially with how Stephon Diggs just got... I mean, he's getting more like an Iuke, though. I mean, Iuke you probably wouldn't, but Samuel you maybe could have. Brandon Iuke and Tee Higgins are both on the last years of their contract. And usually in those situations, you don't get a first-round pick out of him. In fact, I can't remember a time where it hasn't. Maybe A.J. Brown with the Titans, he got a first. It was like a pick swap, wasn't it? Was it a pick swap? Yeah, it might have been a pick swap. I can't say for certain, but I feel like it might have been.

So then he was a throw-in in the deal, in a pick swap. Yeah. That's not good. So I never thought Brandon Ayuk and Tee Higgins, neither of those players were going to fetch a first-round pick, and I thought they were going to go for second-round picks at most. And here the New England Patriots andots and buffalo bills sit good wide receivers available and they do need a wide receiver they could draft they could trade for t higgins or

brandon iuk um if the 49ers or cincinnati bengals did want to draft a new young wide receiver to replace him, that's something that could make a little bit of sense. Because the Patriots do need, I think they should go and get Teagans. I think they should. But that's another topic for 7 o'clock tonight. Before we end the show, I'll go with the low hanging fruit that we already talked about. The Falcons.

That'll just be a mention. We don't need to explain it. We already ranted about it for 20 minutes. Um, do you have any others, any other thoughts? Uh, we're,

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