The Fumblerooski Podcast - Don’t You Forget About D -Ep 260 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: April 6, 2024

Is extending Derrick Brown a step in the right direction for the Panthers? Are there too many defensive draft prospects being overlooked in 2024? Who are the best defensive prospects at each position? Chris Costich and CJ Medeiros debate this topic and more.

Derek Brown signing a four-year, $96 million deal with the Panthers, including $68 million guaranteed. We'll also go through our favorite defensive back prospects, along with our favorite front seven prospects. You are listening to the Fumble Rooster Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven

spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. You are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 Dean Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting. Chris Kostich alongside me, CJ Medeiros. Sorry for the postponement again. A lot of busy schedules on our end to say the least, but we're still getting episodes out. And right now we're going to start with the most recent signing of the week. Derek Brown, defensive tackle for the Panthers, getting a big four-year $96 million deal with 63 mil guaranteed.

And pretty good one at that as well. He was second in tackles for this defensive team. He led the entire defensive line in tackles with 103 total, along with two sacks, seven tackles for loss. Played all 17 games as well, which is huge. And a guy that's been with the Panthers this entire time as well. So in general, on paper, it seems like a pretty solid guy for the Panthers to have gone back

or to at least have for another four years. Yeah, I think you're right. The thing with this signing is that after letting a guy like Brian Burns walk, you absolutely have to grab somebody else. I mean, or at least retain them which is why derrick brown who's a easily like i believe after last season especially like a what is like a top five defensive tackle these days i definitely think this is a wise investment because as you know last year you drafted a kid uh bryce young first overall you had to build some kind of a team around him on offense and on defense and after getting rid of guys like dante jackson and uh brian burns

and jeremy chin well you're going to need to rebuild raise the floor of the team and this is a small step in the right direction because derrick brown is just a scary scary just guy to go up against you know yeah and led all d tackles as you said in uh led all d tackles in tackles this year, as mentioned, 106. And this was something that, as you said, with Brian Burns leaving, you needed to keep some sort of big defensive presence. And with all things going wrong in Carolina, they don't have a first-round pick. Their future is looking so bleak right now. And so you're,

you gotta do whatever you can to kind of stop the bleeding at this point. And that kind of is what makes this signing pretty solid signing at the end of the day. Yeah. Because as it sits right now, if you look at the rest of that defense, right. And by the way, I didn't even touch on the fact they also lost a linebacker,

Frankie Lou who as well. And it the way, I didn't even touch on the fact they also lost linebacker Frankie Louvu as well. And it's just weird because their defense isn't terrible. Because you already have Derek Brown, but you also got A'shaun Robinson. You signed DJ Wanham as well recently. They still have linebacker Shaq Thompson but then they also got guys like Josie Jewell and Jadavion Clowney you got Dane Jackson from Buffalo and you signed other guys like Jordan Fuller so it's just they're not terrible but as I've mentioned before it's really kind of about raising the floor because this team probably won't be competing

this year because, you know, you're trying to salvage Bryce Young after you put him through the ringer his rookie year. I mean, your running backs are still, you have Miles Sanders and Shuba Hubbard. There's also, I guess, he's thrown to Deontay Johnson, Adam Thielen, and Jonathan Mingo, which isn't great, but not terrible. Your starting tight end, I think, is like Tommy Tremble.

So, yeah, I understand what they're trying to do, especially with some of the recent O-line signings. Like, if I recall correctly, they did bring in a really good pair of guards like Damian Lewis from Seattle and Robert Hunt from Miami. But overall, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. That's really as much as I can say. But I will give them a polite little golf clap for at least extending, as it sits now, what could be the best player on their team.

Yeah, and that's all it is at this point. You just got to stop the bleeding and hope for the best to try to give yourself a better chance at a better future. And that's what it is at this point. You handed Chicago the first round pick or the first overall pick. It's not good. We've said it so many times this past year that the Panthers are in just such a shitty situation. And they put themselves in this shitty situation. And it's – what's the term for it?

I can't think of it right now, but it's a PR term. But anyways, you get what I'm trying to say. You're trying to not what was that is it like damage control yeah damage control thank you it's this is all just damage control at this point you're trying to not put more gasoline on the fire than you already have yeah yeah that's basically what it is and i've mentioned that the panthers really aren't going to contend this year but it's literally just about trying to save bryce young and maybe just maybe next year you could probably hope to be around or above 500 yeah it all depends what they do in this draft because like you said you know they chucked off their first round pick to chicago and it just so happens this is the first team

since i want to say the cleveland browns who are going to earn the number on overall pick and back-to-back years except for the fact well it's not really your pick now is it yeah it's true and now we'll just have to see how panthers gm dan morgan can draft at this point this is because obviously you can draft as well as you can in the first two rounds but but sometimes the money is made in the late rounds and that's where dan morgan's gonna have to get after at this point um you got anything else to add for this one? No, this is pretty cut and dry there, sir. Yeah, I'd say so myself.

We'll move on. We'll take a quick break. When we come back, we'll go through our favorite defensive back prospects. Actually, just CJ's defensive back prospects, Mr. Draft Guy over here. You're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot.

He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. You are listening to the Fulbruski Podcast presented by Powered 18 Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting. Chris Kostic, CJ Medeiros. And now it's time for CJ's bread and butter, the draft. The draft section of today's podcast. First, we're going to go through the defensive back prospects.

And yeah, the big story really is the quarterbacks, obviously. But there are some good defensive backs in this draft coming up. Terrian Arnold, Quinian Mitchell, Nate Wiggins, Kool-Aid, McKinstry. And potentially our first starting white cornerback since, what, 2003, 2001, whatever it is, Cooper Dejean from Iowa. So that's just five that I kind of just rattled off right there. Would you say that those would be the top five defensive prospects that I just rattled off?

I mean, it seems that way just from like, it seems that way just from the research for most of these prospecting, researching sites and whatnot. But is there another name that you would probably throw in there? Now, as it sits right now, I'm just looking at corners. All right. And I do want to give a quick disclaimer chris this is something that you've already mentioned and i think you're more right than you realize they when i say they i mean just mean the nfl in general as it sits now and the media they seem to have forgotten that uh this is a pretty decent dare i say above average defensive draft because we always are talking about oh you know the

quarterbacks it's a deep receiver class lots of o-linemen the defenders have gotten extremely overlooked and this is actually a pretty deep corner class if i do say so myself so you already mentioned terry and arnold there's also quinn yam mitchell nate wiggins clay mckinstry and cooper dejean but there are some other guys that just intrigue me as perhaps late first early second round picks i'm talking about ennis rake straw jr out of Missouri. Kamari Lasseter out of Georgia. DJ James out of Auburn and Iowa State's TJ Tampa as well. And another one that's been crawling up draft boards is Rutgers' very own Max Melton. So when it comes to corners, real quick, I just want to talk about the top two in my eyes.

You could call them 1A and 1B. That's Alabama's Terion Arnold and Toledo's Quinion Mitchell. I just want to talk about the top two in my eyes. You could call them 1A and 1B. That's Alabama's Terryon Arnold and Toledo's Quinion Mitchell. So Arnold, he is my number one. Some people have Mitchell number one. This is nothing against Mitchell. I just really like Arnold. You know, Alabama can churn out some pretty darn good defensive backs.

So, you know, he's a little on the lighter side of being 189 pounds, but he's a little tall for a corner. He's about six feet flat. And, you know, he's got 4.540. That's pretty good. He's very athletic. I would definitely say he's more of a man cover guy. So if you run a man scheme, that's definitely, like, something great to have. So he's a very lanky corner you know i mean like i said uh six feet tall 189 pounds he's very agile his man coverage like i said that's the thing that's where he plays with confidence he can press he can play off but he sticks to you a very sticky He's got, and he's a fluid mover. And this

is what you're looking for, especially in today's air raid offense. He's aggressive. This man attacks the ball and hey, coach Saban taught him well. That's all I got to say. But there is a drawback to this. And this is something that scares me. There's often a downside with a lot of man corners. He's physical, right? He attacks the ball, but he can be too aggressive. And NFLDraftBuzz.com says it best. Quote, well, physical can be prone to drawing penalties due to over-aggressive play in man coverage. And you're going to go to the NFL where there are receivers that are experts at drawing flags heck we're now seeing a large part of the game where quarterbacks will just chuck it up

have a receiver flop a la the nba and in hopes of drawing a flag you know what happens i'm not going to look at anyone travis kelsey but you know that is just how it is. So the thing is, I feel like if Arnold wasn't in this draft class with all these elite receivers and quarterbacks, I'd definitely call him a lock for the top 10. But you know, I think if my most recent mock draft, we have them like somewhere in like the 12 to 15 range. You know, that makes sense. Because just.

Yeah, no. And that's, that's the, that's the big story, right? It's, it's a very offensive heavy draft class. And that, like we were saying this this that's the big story of this and so a lot so a lot of these defensive guys are going to be kind of thrown off to the side but especially the defensive backs there's it's a pretty strong class by the looks of it so my question is at that point with it being such an offensive heavy class would you expect to see that maybe these top five guys don't make it don't make it past the uh or they won't get drafted till late dare i say

wait third round uh maybe in the case of guys like TJ Tampa and DJ James, but Mitchell and Arnold are definite first round mocks. I'm not saying guys like Mitchell and Arnold or anything like that or Wiggins. I'm saying more towards

maybe Nubin or Dajin, guys like you mentioned as well. So I could definitely see the argument for Nubin lasting in Kinchin's as safeties, but we'll get to safeties. But real quick, I do want to take a quick glance at Quinion Mitchell. Mitchell, for me, is one of the most intriguing prospects. You know, out of Toledo, probably a big school, you know,

six feet, 195 pounds. I remember how I mentioned, you know, Arnold or Terryon Arnold being a good man cover guy. This kid, Quinion Mitchell, is a force in zone. And he, you know, just

can, you know, just sit in his zone and just wait for the ball and can easily uh despite his wiry frame he can definitely move a receiver or two could actually runs a 4-3-3-40 and just in an elite vertical as well i scary, just explosive. And like I said, he's fast, elite athlete, and just the vision. He's a very cerebral, very heady kind of guy. This man knows the playbook front and back. You know what I mean? And he is elite at recognizing plays, practically lives in the film room. And when you pair that with that athleticism oh he's deadly why there's

one thing that concerns me he's not despite the fact he's a good zone guy i would say he's not really a ball hawk he doesn't attack the ball he's a good physical guy but he's not going to grab you those highlight reel picks. For example, I believe last season he had 18 what they call passes defensed. That's pretty darn good. One pick. One. So if you're looking for like the corners nowadays,

or it gets you six to seven picks a season, I don't know if Mitchell is going to be that out of the gate. And I have to say, I wouldn't be doing my due diligence if I just let this one slide. Being from Toledo is a little concerning. Yeah, that was going to be my next question. Yeah, could we see a guy like Mitchell kind of slide in the draft because he's from Toledo? And, you know, just looking off of Toledo's schedule real quick,

you know, the best team that they probably play, I mean, there's not really many great teams that they play. I mean, maybe you could say the best team they played was Wyoming, and they played them in the Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl and lost to them. But most of these games were kind of just one way, like they won most their games between besides their home or besides the opener against illinois where they lost by two but you know you're toledo's playing teams like illinois san jose state northern illinois umass and they only won by 17 to umass but uh ball state eastern michigan central michigan it it's not like you're playing it's not like you're playing like oregon or well oregon yeah exactly but you get what i mean because if he

goes to the league and you're gonna you know be playing like just much better receivers the learning curve could be steep and there is somebody that you were talking about before this episode that i do want to give a quick mention to, just for sheer kindness reasons. Hooper DeGene out of Iowa. Yeah. So, you know, another, so I don't know if you noticed, but Corner's getting taller. This is another six footer. He's 203.

Got a 4540, which isn't terrible. And he's kind of like a jack of all trades. He's good in zone. He's good in man. He's a really good tackler, though, given that there's nothing that he's truly elite in. And I wouldn't say he's also a very physical corner. You know, he's a little heavier than some of the others, but that's muscle. Let let me tell you this guy can muscle around dbs but there's kind of a trade-off being a heavy more muscular corner might sacrifice his speed and fluidity if that makes sense but but i don't know how much that's gonna hurt him if he's still like just sticking to him you know and just uh muscling around he's got some good burst though i'll give him that he's a really just good athlete regardless and his

technique is darn near flawless now he's weird because i have seen quite a few rumors that they might transition him to safety, which, I mean, maybe. I wouldn't hate it, but I think they could go late first round. That's my grade. And it's not like – I mean, him transitioning to safety wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I mean, we have seen a lot of defensive backs that start out as corners that have to transition to safety because they're not transitioning as well to the league as a cornerback and they have to try to play safety to kind of get that roster spot and they end up excelling at safety like

Devin McCourty for the Patriots he started out as a cornerback and then had to transition to safety because he was struggling and wasn't playing well as a corner and ended up being one of the best safeties in the league after that so it's not like it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world but if it comes time to having to do that transition how is he going to how will he progress with that transition that's the only thing yeah i i mean that's that's a valid point then real quick i do want to take a quick gander at these safeties there are two that catch my eye minnesota's tyler newbin and miami's cameron kitchens so i mean you could throw george's deval bullard there too but Newben and Miami's Cameron Kinchens.

So, I mean, you could throw in Georgia's Javon Bullard there too, but Newben and Kinchens I think are the best. So Tyler Newben, this is a prospect, is pretty good. So I would say he's undersized, maybe not as fast as you want, but I will die on the hill that he is a, probably a late, maybe mid first round pick, like late, like around the later part of the middle first round to basically he's going on the first round. If this wasn't, you know, the quarterback craze and if the wide receiver and offensive tackle class wasn't as deep as it is. So Newman has extreme explosiveness, as I've said before, very fluid mover.

He's another one that knows his playbook well and can read an offense great. He's a leader. He's a good locker room guy. Just the instincts are nuts. But he's a fluid mover, but he lacks that burst you know i mean the overall explosiveness that you would want which if you're playing safety i guess it's not the worst thing in the world as if you're playing corner but i don't know he's more of like a ball hawking type of guy, if that makes sense. He's there. He's going to have the pick.

He's going to knock down the ball. He's going to contest every catch. But it's the tackling thing that can kind of be a bit of a red flag. And in where you know we're moving more towards positionless defense especially with safeties well full disclosure i think newbin can play free and strong both sides but he's not going to be playing run defense you know i mean he's not going to go out there and make the tackle yeah and as for kitchens kitchens is weird because he used to be my number one safety, but Newman overtook him. And Kinchins is just, I mean, he's good, but he's underrated. I'll give him that.

He's average speed. I'd say, like, you know, he's a good this but once a lot of it is instinct for him he's he's a he's quote ball hawking in nature he's a big hitter he's a strong and he's got strong anticipation you know i mean just the springiness that just allows him to just not think, but just do. That's what you want. And it's just, but the thing is, though, the instincts are great, but the overall physical attributes might be what holds him back. Because he's one of those weird defenders that can tackle and can tackle well, but only if it's like a hit stick you know what i mean

whereas like yeah he if he's gonna hit you he's gonna run you down he's not gonna arm tackle and twist you you know what i mean like so just do with that what you would overall though i don't see newman or kitchens going first round just because that's just the nature of this draft but if i had to guess as far as corners go i definitely believe that uh that arnold mitchell and other guys that we didn't mention like nate wiggins kool-aid mckinstry and when we did mention to gene our first round locks and maybe ennis rake straw junior kamari lassiter sneak in the first round. So who of these guys would you say could you see slide the most? That's tough.

At least the ones that I'd say are first-rounders. I feel that DeGene and McKinstry could very well slide. Heck, I've a few mock drafts where mckinstry isn't even in the first round which i think is personally blasphemous because uh he he and arnold were menaces at alabama but you know it's all about just where they go and what their situation is because quick bit on kool-Aid McKinstry, this man, this man, I truly believe has what, just when it comes to his play style, not even his physical attributes, but just how he is in coverage and just playing just pure air defense could very well have the highest ceiling in the draft as far as corners go. But there are a few things that worry me.

You know how they say quarterbacks need to have short memory? Well, DBs needed to, and this guy, if he gets burned a few times, might start playing conservative. But the reason I say his ceiling is so high is every issue he has can be coachable. You know what I mean? Like he doesn't have a lot of patience. There's a lot of wasted motion in his transition play. And he can be a little aggressive.

But like I said, these are coachable issues. But I wouldn't be shocked if McKinstry or Dajin end up sliding. I think those are all good points. And like you said, a lot of these issues that you mentioned are very coachable. And if they allow themselves to be coachable, they'll be great corners at the end of the day. Could it mean that the coachable issues turn them into a top five cornerback now it doesn't necessarily mean that but it means that it could

at least extend their life shelf in the league yeah anything else you would like to add before we move on uh no that's all i got on the way of corners there like i said but this is like a sneakily deep corner class so don't be shocked if like i said guys like tj tampa kamari laster and his rake straw might creep into the first the chip yeah and who knows obviously and who knows maybe some of these defensive guys end up overtaking some of the top heavy offensive guys guys in the draft as well and kind of sneak their way in. Maybe they sneak their way into the top ten at that point. You never know.

They won't be. So we'll move on for a short break. When we come back, we'll go through the favorite front seven prospects for this upcoming draft. Not as deep or sneakily deep as the defensive back prospects, but there's definitely some good ones. We'll be back after the break. You're listening to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.

You're listening to the Full Marusk Podcast, Power 88 Dean Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting, Chris Kostich and our draft guy, C.J. Medeiros. We'll move on to our last subject, C.J.'s favorite front seven prospects for this upcoming draft. And we were talking about this before the show. The front seven is not as deep as the defensive back prospects. And we'll probably see more front seven guys kind of slide back

more so than the corners and the safeties will. But not to say that we couldn't see a linebacker or an edge rusher be in the top 20 or top 25, but it isn't as lovely as a picture as the defensive backs. Yeah. So when I said it's not as deep, I was strictly talking about linebackers, like the true Mike guys, like Fred Warners. Not many of them here in fact i would go as far as to say that as it sits right now on the day of recording april 6 2024

i do not think there will be a pure linebacker you know like a fred warner type taken in the first round there will not be i mean there's some guys like uh jeremiah trotter jr out of clemson or edgar and cooper from texas a&m that i think might go second round perhaps but i just i don't know what it is these guys just aren't even just considered. A lot of it, I think, is do I think that Cooper and Trotter Jr. could go in the first round if it were any other year? Yeah. Yeah, I do. But what did I say about DBs? This is just another case where the nature of this year's draft is pushing some really good defensive prospects out of the first round. Because let face it there are only 32 first round picks right which means i mean not not everybody not every good prospect can go first round

and i definitely think that both cooper and trotter jr could be steals or they go but real quick as far as we're talking about strict linebackers, let me talk to you about Jeremiah Trotter Jr. out of Clemson. The man, you know, obviously you can tell, former Philly linebacker Jeremiah Trotter Sr.'s son. So Trotter Jr., one reason that he isn't, you know, looked upon super high from his time at clemson is that he's undersized that's really what it is not anything to do with play style he's just undersized and i know what you're thinking oh but cj ray lewis was undersized i'm like yes

oh it's just about to say something about ray lewis too he was a real killer on the field let's be honest despite being undersized but jeremiah trotter jr is six feet tall and 228 pounds for the record for those who keep track at home you know uh myself and chris are both six feet tall. So, I'm kidding, Coach. I weigh a lot less. I weigh a lot less, that's for sure. Understandable. So, he runs a 4'6", 40. You know, his bench was okay. But it's just, it's how he plays. This guy puts his heart and soul into everything he does on the field.

Just an elite competitor. The energy is just there. Top-level motor. And his deal – he's a big coverage linebacker, you know. He works in coverage, jumps in front of the ball, and can definitely knock around some tight ends. And he's another one that gets the playbook, lives in the film room. And just but he's just an athlete.

You know what I mean? Just like a pure athlete, not the fastest, not the strongest. But oh, my God, this guy is going to be a problem. And not to mention using a small size, he gets under the radar. He can get under pads. He can blitz. And every hit with this man is a hit stick. But the thing is, the size can't hurt.

Because when it's just pure run defense, bigger offensive linemen can just easily toss him aside and what if he's going up against a running back like in the nfl what if he runs into derrick henry i mean derrick henry who's like what is he but he's like 6 2 240 scary man at least if you're a defender so yeah like these bigger like power backs they with him which is why i don't think he's going in the first round but just the just being undersized is gonna hurt him immensely which is why i don't think he's going in the first round but make no mistake whoever does draft him energy and just the will

and the want will not be a problem. Because while in Clemson, 87 total tackles, five and a half sacks, two forced fumbles is kind of like a box of safety. You can't hate it. You really can't. But when it comes to defense, we're talking about the front not even the front seven the front four that's where this draft makes okay and oh boy oh boy oh boy first we're going to talk about the defensive tackles there are two big time prospects that i that i know of and the ones i can see going in the first round. Right?

Now, I don't know about you, but like I said, I really only have two defensive tackle prospects going here. And that, of course, is Jerzan Newton from Illinois. And, oh, my God, I can't believe his name is getting me aggravating. He's a guy from Texas, not Tavondre Sweat, the other one. Byron Murphy. Yeah, Byron Murphy, that's it. I was trying to grab it with my computer.

Rose. Yeah, no, the site I'm on has completely just shut down. So whatever. All right. Well, I got the site up right now, so we can go off of myself here. So yeah, the player that you're talking about or that you're referring to is Byron Murphy.

That's it. And then two other guys. Well, we can save this for, we can save this for when we get into the edge rushers and whatnot. But yeah, Byron Murphy being one of them, John Nguyen from Illinois, Tavondre Sweat, who I just mentioned as well.

And another guy on here as well that was part of a really good defense and a national championship defense as well, Chris Jenkins. So there's some dogs in this list, and a lot of the dogs that we were talking about were competing in the college football playoff as well, one of them being a national champion. So definitely some good prospects in that sense. They know what it takes to win already in that sense

and have shown that they can cause problems for offenses. It's just a matter of if they can – obviously, this is for everyone, obviously, but can it translate to the NFL and this this and that it's that's obviously the question for every single prospect but ever so it's it's more so because you got these guys that performed at a very high level and we're compete and we're were competing for the big prize as well. So that's what makes them more of a fishbowl, per se. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

And there's one thing that I do want to note about these defensive tackles, from Newton to Murphy to other guys like darius robinson and chris jenkins and even other ones like braden fisk and rook uh i think it's like arohoro they're under and i notice i'm leaving out to vandre sweat i'll get there these guys are undersized for defensive tackles you know john newton is 6-2- 4 byron murphy's 6 feet 297 these are like the smaller more aaron donald type pass rushing defensive tackles but then there's tovandre sweat who sees this and just chucks that narrative out the window at 6 4 366 pounds he's your typical like big man you know like a vince wilfork you know i mean like a vince

wilfork and donald King Sue, somebody like that. Oh, yeah. And this draft is just showing the way that the NFL is headed. You know, like I said, with these smaller pass rushing defensive tackles, not so much nose tackles these days. But then, of course, we got the edge rushers. And, oh, boy, there are a lot of them this is a very and i mean a very deep edge rusher class one of the so there are three that stand out as bona fide first round picks i mean these

guys are all going top 20 two i think are going top 10 there is dallas turner from alabama jared verse from florida state and leotu latu from ucla and then also in the first round there's penn state's chop robinson who i who i said i believe is going in the first and that's pretty much it for that i mean there are others maybe that could uh slide in but those are like my big four and after guys like turner verse and lotto and even with robinson then there's kind of a drop off with guys like kansas austin booker Washington's Braylon Trice, Chris Braswell from Alabama, Jonah Ellis from Utah. But there are four bona fide first rounders and I will die on this hill. That is Turner versus Lottie Lynn Robinson. So with all that being said, all the names that we just threw out there into the wind or you threw out

there into the wind um who would you say especially from this top four who would you say is probably the more underrated and who would you me is Chop Robinson out of Penn State. This man, oh my God, he's going to be a problem. Now, he's more of a project. So I view him kind of like, remember Trayvon Walker coming out of Georgia? Yeah. That's how I view Chop Robinson. He's very raw, but but oh if you can tap

into his potential he will be very scary indeed so 6-3-2-54 right runs a sub 4-5-40 has a 34.5 inch vertical and a 4.25 shuttle. Once again, that's scary hours. And he's an elite pass rusher where I think he'll have to get a little better, got a little boning up to do on run defense. But when it comes to pass rushing, oh, it is, it is just scary. He's just that long, just long-armed, agile, just freak of nature. That's kind of like what the modern NFL is shifting to. Just the energy that he plays with, the passion, like I said, high motor, just chef's kiss, beautiful. He's very explosive. He is a lethal

first step. He's got the good bend that you would want to get around defensive linemen and not to mention top 10 on bruce feldman's freak athlete list for college ball and when it comes to this is it's just it's like i said he needs to just kind of diversify his arsenal you know i mean he's a good power rusher, right? Very explosive. However, he's more of a... I'm trying to think of how to put this. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but Chris is gone.

But don't worry, it'll be fine. Robinson is much more like i said he's he's a project that's the nicest way i can put that but i do like him very much and since chris asked me who my favorite one was out of all these guys that has to be Florida State's Jared Verse. Oh, this man. He's what you want on the D-line. 6'4", 254 pounds, runs a sub-4 640, got a great vertical, great broad jump, scary bench press too. I think he did like what, 31 reps? Yeah, that is something else. Just the power, just what we would call a bag, if that makes sense. You know, he's got a lot of just moves in his arsenal. You know, the swim move, the bull rush, just everything, just insane.

His strength that he brings is just phenomenal. He can easily toss aside uh defense offensive lineman as an edge rusher that's something that cannot be overstated enough and like i said just the explosiveness is what you want well the only real weaknesses that i see from him is that he's not a very good run defender, if that makes sense. Whereas he's more prone to chase sacks rather than just outright run defend. And just when it comes to tackling, it could be an issue where he's known to arm tackle, which is good when you're strong, but in the league, strict arm tackling will not cut it. So there you go.

That's basically what we think of all the defensive prospects in this draft from the front seven to the back four. So, by the way, we are not supposed to pull back the curtain here, but Chris's laptop just died. So it looks like I'm going to be the one doing the wrap-up so so above all just keep that in mind when it comes time for our mock draft which should be i believe so for those of you who don't know we do have a big group mock draft that we do before draft day that if the day is right should be tuesday the 23rd so definitely stick around for that as we go through more of our draft coverage overall that'll do it for us tonight thanks for listening to us we have new episodes out on tuesdays at 7 30 p.m eastern time and be sure to subscribe to our youtube channel and don't forget about our instagram page at fumble

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