The Fumblerooski Podcast - Faces Of The Future -Ep 177 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Should the Panthers take Bryce Youngor CJ Stroud 1st overall? Is Anthony Richardson worth the hype and where will he end up? Could your team trade up for a QB? CJ Medeiros and Justin Tucker debate these topics and more!

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Good evening. You are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast, powered by Power 88 and sponsored by Secret Weapon Consulting. Now, you probably know us already if you're listening, but I'm C.J. Medeiros, our resident draft guy, and with me is my favorite Ravens fan on the face of the earth, Mr. Justin Tucker. Tuck, how are we doing today, man? I'm doing good. I'm doing all right. Not too bad. Still got a lot of work to be done, but let's get into this draft stuff. Yeah. I just want to point out to all our listeners, good old Tuck is a senior. Yeah. And we're going to miss him. And I'll miss this award winner right next to me.

Thanks, Tuck. So now this is an exciting time, especially for me, because we're going into draft coverage. And for those of you at home may know, I'm a big draft guy. And I can say that because Adam's not here now. So we have some fun topics. We're going to talk about Anthony Richardson's best fits, teams that are threatening to trade up. But first, oh yeah, we're going to talk about Anthony Richardson's best fits, teams that are threatening to trade up. But first, oh, yeah, we're going to answer the question on everyone's lips. Bryce Young or C.J. Stroud? Who's better? Who's going number one?

So, Justin, what's your take on that? To be honest, I think either work could work. To me, I was always a bryce young guy but that cj stroud guy is creeping up on me i i still think if anybody should go first it should be bryce young because of the accomplishments and the feats but as far as like ability and overall production either or i I could see going first overall. I know if it's the Carolina Panthers, this one's more of a tricky one because I always thought that C.J. Stroud was going to them if they ever had the opportunity.

But now that I'm hearing about Bryce Young being their guy, I don't know what Houston's going to do. So to be honest, I'm still a Bryce Young guy. I don't care about his height. I still think he'll be successful in the NFL. But this is a tricky one. Yeah, I agree. And frankly, I like both Young and Stroud as quarterbacks. Now you look at Bryce Young, his NFL comparison is Drew B drew breeze and let me tell you something though this guy is the definition of pro ready comes from a pro style offense of the university of alabama he's known for his fourth quarter comebacks he can manipulate defenses he's got great pocket

mobility and some good speed on him he can rer reroute receivers. He's very accurate. He's everything you want. He's polished. He's seasoned. You can throw him on out there if you're the Panthers and draft him. But there is the question of his height. Now, that's an ongoing debate about whether or not height truly matters as a quarterback, but he's 5'10 and hovering somewhere around 204 to 200 pounds. And here's a fun fact.

Since 2003, no quarterback weighing fewer than 207 pounds has been drafted around one. And he's very slight, and they say there could be some durability issues there. But I really don't know. Because remember way back when all those draft experts were saying Joe Burrow's very risky because, and I quote, his hands were too small. And now he's a top five quarterback in the league. So sometimes the analysts are wrong. It can be a little silly.

What do you think, Justin? I think it's silly. I'm sick and tired of talking hand sizes. I mean, to be honest, if you can hold a football and you can throw it and you have not, not,

not much discomfort, a hand size doesn't matter to me. I could care less about that. What I care about is your accuracy, your capabilities and your overall potential. That's what I care about is your accuracy your capabilities and your overall potential that's what i care about the most everything else i could put aside but those are the three things i usually look for yeah me personally i'm gonna put all the cards on the table i'm a c CJ Stroud fan. I really am. And no, not because, you know, we're both named CJ. Ha, funny.

But seriously, he – I'm trying to think of how to put this. He's a game manager, but he can put the team on his back. He's got a great arm. He's got good accuracy, great techniques. He can go through his progressions. And he's extremely accurate, even more so than Bryce Young, and just puts the ball on a rope. But I want to point out, he can be a game manager,

which I think shows maturity, you know, that he's not always trying to play hero ball 24-7. So, yeah, so we have both the quarterbacks here you know all cards on the table justin so play gm here you're the carolina panthers you trade it up to number one overall and you have your pick of the litter the world is your oyster do you take bryce young, do you take Bryce Young or do you take C.J. Stroud? And keep in mind, I'm not asking you who you think they will take. I'm asking you who you would take.

Well, for the personnel that's surrounding them, if I was the Carolina Panthers based on everything that's surrounding them, I would take C.J. Stroud. Yeah. Honestly, I'm inclined to agree. You can't go wrong either or.

Yeah. C.J. Stroud, it's just I know there's a supposed Ohio State curse, but I truly believe C.J. Stroud is the best quarterback that they've put out in a decent bid. is the best quarterback that they've put out in a decent bit right that's quarterback they've ever put out oh in terms of a prospect and keep in mind although i wasn't on the show when he was drafted i was also a big justin fields fan so me personally i like like CJ Stroud. But Mike Stroud was pretty good too. And the Texans at number two, no matter how you slice it,

I think they're going to get a good – it's a good consolation prize. You know, like because whoever – because whether it's Stroud or Young taken first, you've definitely got a good one coming down the pipe at number two so the texans i really don't think have anything to worry about i don't know if they don't get bryce young they could trade out of it because apparently they're not sold on cj stroud they only want bryce young that's stupid silly to me also i have i've heard that too and I've heard that they might take Will Anderson or just trade back. That's silly. That's just ridiculous.

Oh, because they win the extra game. Why? Why don't they like CJ Stroud? Do we know? No. Not off the top of my head, no. Good Lord. I don't know why they have they're just stuck on bryce young but i i think cj stroud is a good is a good second place is it not i would i personally i i'm

on record saying that i like him better than bryce young that's what i'm saying so either or you shouldn't be getting a franchise quarterback out of those two. Either that or I feel like it's all just smoke or something. I really don't know. I hope so because number two overall, and they decide to go Anthony Richardson. Oh, my. Oh, wow. Oh, my.

That's not something I even thought of. If they go Anthony Richardson at number two oh now that and keep in mind anthony richardson we'll talk about him in a sec really interesting player he's gonna take some time to develop and if you draft him that high and the project fails that could very well cost a GM his job. Fair enough. Yeah. Justin agrees. So, yeah.

You know what? I think we've talked this to death. Young, Stroud, both good. I think we both lean towards C.J. Stroud. But we're going to talk about another quarterback coming up, and that is the controversial Anthony Richardson. Not controversial for anything he does off the field controversial in play style and in consensus so you're not going to want to miss that because we're finally going to really unpackage this once and for all so don't go anywhere this This is the Fumble Whiskey Podcast. Slamming the bell. Welcome back.

This is the Fumble Rooski podcast by Powered18 Radio and Seeker Weapon Consulting. I'm your host, CJ Medeiros, along with my good friend, Justin Tucker. No Adam Wright, but you know, we can run a pretty respectable show. I think so. Oh, thank you, Justin. See, Justin's 110% on board. So now we talked about C.J. Stroud. We talked about Bryce Young.

But now we're going to something a little bit different. Anthony Richardson. Step right up. Oh, boy. Now, I mentioned that he's controversial. It's not about character. It's not about off the field. He seems to be a very good guy, good locker room guy.

But people are split on him. So here's the deal. He's a physical freak. He's 6'4", 244 pounds, running a 4-4-3 with a 40-and-a-half-inch vertical jump. That's insane for a quarterback. And you could argue that he's got the best arm in this class. I mean, he's got an absolute cannon. He can throw a 50-yard bomb for a touchdown,

or he can do a 50-yard scramble for a touchdown. He's that good. But his weaknesses, we'll dive into those real quick. He's very inaccurate. I think he threw, he had like a completion percentage of, correct me if I'm wrong, I want to say about 54%. Is that sound about right, Justin? Sounds about it.

Yeah, 54% completion percentage. He struggles with his progressions, often staring down his number one receiver. He just throws the ball like a laser every play. Definitely needs to take some spice off it. This is for the NFL website. Quote, needs to take some spice off his short throws. And I agree. And another thing that worries me about him is that he has a lot of trouble reading defenses.

His touch and placement, just manipulating coverage, not a fan. And oftentimes he throws into danger. Now, for me, I see him as a very, very raw prospect. He is the project's project. But let me tell you something. If you develop him right, the reward will be insane. Far and away, Anthony Richardson has the highest ceiling in this draft, but he also has the lowest floor of the big four quarterbacks. You know, the big four being Stroud, Young, Richardson, and Will Levis, who we're actually not really touching on, but that's okay. Anyone who leads that are going to feel is not a quarterback in my book.

Yeah, he does that look it up so justin what do you make of anthony richardson oh man uh where do i even begin i think he is the third best quarterback in this draft even better than will levis yes i think that. I think overall what he brings with the tools and his ability overall, I think he can be the best quarterback in this draft, but he can also have the potential to be the worst. That's just either you hit or miss with him. I think he is a project quarterback. I don't think he's as bad as the tape tells. I think that there's things that he obviously needs to work on. I think over time, if you give him like an offseason or like a full season to work on instead of just throwing him into the fire, I think he can iron it out depending on the system and the personnel you put around him.

And I think within one or two years, I think he can start producing for you at the highest level. It's just a matter of how much time you're willing to give him and how much time you're going to let him strive for. Yeah, you know what? I think that's a very good point. I do. And the thing is, he's, like I mentioned, very raw, and Justin mentioned that as well.

And I've said it once, and I will say it again. I truly believe that Anthony Richardson should have spent another year in Florida. Another year in Florida? You really think so? I do. If he stays for one more year and comes out the next year i would like him a whole lot more because like i said he's just he's too raw i mean like i said you could single-handedly land the best quarterback in the draft but if you screw him up it's gonna cost the gm his job all right so what if they draft him and what if the patriots draft him at 14? Don't mention that. I don't want a quarterback in this draft. It's not even Anthony Richard.

You may not want it, but he might be there. I just do not want a quarterback. You may not want it, but he might be there. You might have to take him. Why? He doesn't fit our scheme. And you know Bill's not going to change it for him. He's going to jam a square peg into a round hole.

You know it, and I know it. I don't know. He may not fit all the way, but I believe he'll have some reliable checkdowns from the two tight ends set. So in case he does get into trouble, there's obviously, like, checkdowns for him. Well, we're not going to talk about that for fear of me having a heart attack. Although we'll see on draft night because, you know, us Pats fans can relate. Bill Belichick is very creative in finding ways to rip our heart out on draft night.

Believe you me, I am aware of this. So, yeah, I'll admit, not the biggest Anthony Richardson guy, but the potential's there. Like I said, strong arm, amazing dual threat ability. And if he learns to read defenses and just gets a little more accurate, it's over. And also, one thing that I wanted to mention about Anthony Richardson is that you have time to develop him. As it sits right now, he's 20. And by the time the first season rolls around he'll be 21 so chances which is another reason you know kind of what kind of why i wanted to stay in florida so if you if he takes a year or two to develop worst case scenario he's 22 23 which is a really

good age to draft a quarterback and and you might already have yours. But that's if he pans out. See, it's all a big game of if. And another thing that I want to touch on with Anthony Richardson, and Tucker kind of brought this up, he said he couldn't go to New England. I am dead set against this. Come on, just let him go to the Boston area. What. Just let him go to the Boston area. What?

Just let him go to the Boston area. Come on and join. Hey, hey, you know, if we end up getting the next big thing, that's great. I'll admit I'm wrong, but I'm still sold on Mac. This is obviously Mac's put up or shut up year. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see.

But, oh, boy. Until then, Jerry's still out. But Justin did bring this up when he talked about Richardson going to New England. And that is, what are his best fits? We gave you the rundown. You know, Tucker and I gave you the rundown on Anthony Richardson, but we talked about his strengths and his weaknesses, but where should he go? I don't know about you, Justin, but I'm seeing a lot of mock drafts saying that Indy takes him at

four or they do a pick swap with the Cardinals to move up to three and take him. I won't lie. This isn't an indictment on him, but I don't like the fit of him in Indy. I don't like him there at first. I think they need to get a veteran quarterback to just sure that up. If they get a veteran quarterback for him to sit down a year, I think that's a very underrated place for him to go because they have the line. They'll have the weapons. They'll have the defense. So I don't think that's a bad place for him to develop.

Hmm. You know where I think could be an interesting place. Where? The Vikings. Again, they already have a quarterback. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Kirk Cousins is on the last year of his deal, Justin.

He is. He is. I mean, feel free to Google it. I don't need to Google the guaranteed deal that Kirk Cousins has. Well, let me tell you a little something about Kirk Cousins. Top 10 quarterback in the game. Talk to me. I'm not Adam Wright.

I'm not going to get into this with you. All right. Let's continue. I know you and Adam go round and round on this, but you will not bait any such debate out of me i didn't know i'm i'm wise to your tricks see justin you are crafty but i didn't think it was debatable no no no i'm not playing this game with you you you're smart i will grant but i'm i'm just gonna stay away i'm not touching that argument. That's a you and Adam thing. So as I was going to say, Kirk Cousins, his deal expires in 2023.

And he's 34. He's average. You're not going to win anything with him. So why not have a young explosive guy behind him, behind the offensive- kevin o'connell i'm just saying it makes sense and then when he's good and ready you'll have a dalvin cook for him to throw to the best receiver in the game and justin jefferson a top five arguably top three tight end and tj hockinson with and uh o-line that's getting a little better, you know, and you got a serviceable wide receiver two in KJ Osborne.

And if Anthony Richardson can reach his full potential, that offense is going to be terrifying. What do you think? I think it has the potential to be terrifying. I still think they need more weapons because I think they're missing, like, wide receiver three since Thielen left. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. But let me tell you a fit I don't like.

What don't you like? I've seen a few mock drafts suggesting this. I'm seeing the Titans move up to number three, leapfrogging the Colts. They already have a quarterback. I don't see them taking another one again. But if you're a Titans fan, you can't be happy with Tannehill. You just can't be. I don't think they are.

I think they're just hoping malik willis will pan out do you really think malik willis is gonna pan out if they didn't if they do something different within that offense that he could i think they need to start spread it out more yeah so malik Yeah. So Malik Willis is interesting because he was, I want to say, a third round pick last year, right? Yep. He won in the third round. Yeah. So I was never the biggest Willis fan, but in 2022, Oh boy. You know, I said third round pick had a completion percentage of 50.8% through for 276 yards, no touchdowns,

but three interceptions with a rating, you know, a passer rating of 42.8. Is that in two games or in one game? He played in five. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he played in five games. That doesn't mean he started five. I don't know how many games he started, though.

I know what he played in. I think he started at least two. Yeah. And in those two, I think he went 0-2. And in games where he does play, he's 1-4.

Hopefully he's taking more strides, but if they really don't believe in Willis, they could. They could. Yeah. The more question is, what are they going to do with Derrick Henry? Because I heard that he's on the trading block. Yeah. You know what?

We'll pivot to this real quick. I mean, I don't want to get too much off topic, but yeah, the Derrick Henry situation is interesting because let me tell you something. They want a haul for him. They want the premium. But you just don't trade for 29-year-old running backs at a premium. You just don't do that. This isn't the 90s. But if there was a guy, if there was a running back you would do it for it might be king henry

because he's the only i don't know christian mccaffrey was arguably the best running back last year and what they get for him like a second yeah i think they got like yeah i think it was like a second round pick but i don't know king him demand as much as they i mean look at austin eckler austin eckler is like the second-best dual threat back in the game, a top-ten running back to say the least, and his market is bone dry after he requested a trade from L.A. Yeah. I wish the running back market was better, but it just is what it is.

They don't last long and they don't. Yeah. Well, let me tell you, a running back that can give you 800 yards and five touchdowns in a season, those are like a dime a dozen. You know, and that's unfortunate because when you look at the great running backs of the past just to see, like, how replaceable that position has become, especially in a pass-first world. It's just something else.

And that's why running backs tend not to go the first round unless they're like a really exceptional talent. Yeah, that's why we're giving B.J. Robinson so much credit. Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, I mean, we don't want to get too off topic, but that's just our two cents. So long story short, Anthony Richardson, I like the Vikings. And Tucker, where do you think he should go?

I still like the Colts. I don't think it's a bad place to go if they get a veteran quarterback because I don't think he'll start. Yeah. So, yeah, so we've gotten all the quarterback controversies out of the way, except for Will Levis. That's not a controversy. He eats banana peels, and I don't like it. So before we leave, we're going to touch on teams that could trade up

because the Cardinals are more than likely going to surrender the third overall pick. And could your team trade up? Nobody knows. That's the fun. So don't go anywhere. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football, they're saying it's a catch. It's a pass!

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I'm CJ Medeiros with my good friend Justin Tucker. And now we've reached our final segment, which teams could trade up? Now, let me give you some background. So the Arizona Cardinals currently sit at number three and all signs are pointing to them trading back you know so that is just something that i find interesting because we've heard that like six teams have called the cardinals about trading up and i at this point in time, I probably put money on it. They're going to trade back.

So which begs the question, which team will trade up? What do you think, Justin? I'll let you go first. It's difficult because sometimes you look at a team and go, like, they need a quarterback or a year and a season, they'll need a quarterback. But at the same time, do you see them taking a quarterback this year? For an example, you brought up this point.

I think the Vikings, I could see them trading up for a quarterback now. I'm not sure if it'll be Levis or Anthony Richardson, but I could see it happening. Which one do one call it? There's a few other teams that elude me. Perhaps the Titans? The Titans. I don't see them trading up.

I see them trading picks, but I don't see them trading up. I think they can add a first-round pick, but I don't see them. For the quarterback position, I assume they would. But at the same time, I'm just not used to them doing it. Yeah. I could see the Saints trading up. Hmm. Perhaps.

Even with Derek Carr, though? Yeah. I could see that happening. And besides, I could see them trading up to get a quarterback that they need and then saying like one to two years later, if Derek Carr doesn't pan out, they can just move on to anything Richard said or Will Loves. So I could see that happening. I don't see Oakland training up.

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be dealt with. With more money on the back end? I could see it happening. I'm not saying they're going to do it, but I could see it happening if it's for the right quarterback. Yeah, yeah. I think so. I think so. So who you got? Like I said, the Vikings are one to watch out for, but here's something.

Do you think that the Tampa Bay Bccaneers could make a run at number three i mean no more brady you signed baker mayfield and uh you also have kyle trask oh boy don't those names just inspire confidence uh i don't see them trading up now I think they want to see what they got I think they'll stay but next year if they don't like what they see I think they go quarterback but I think they're fine for right now

yeah let me tell you something right now do you know it's not even if they will but do you know who should trade up? Who? Hear me out, the Colts. Oh, brother.

Why? Why? No. Why do you hurt me in this way? Huh? No, no, no, no. Hear me out, okay? I have a reason.

And may I explain? Let me hear this. So here's the thing. I'm not saying it'd be a smart move because I don't know what the Cardinals are going to want in return. But if you're the Colts, this is a move done sheerly out of caution because we all know that the Cardinals will, like I said, at this point, I put money on it, that they will trade out of the third overall pick,

barring some shocker. So here's the deal with, with Indy. All right. Like I said, it's a move out of caution because you can bet your bottom dollar that Arizona is going to trade back. And you cannot run the risk of a qb needy team

like i said like we mentioned the vikings maybe the titans leapfrogging you because let's just say you're the colts and maybe of your sights on anthony richardson then boom you get leapfrogged anthony richardson's gone now do you settle for Will Levis or what? So I'm saying, I'm not saying like they, like it'd be a smart idea, but I'm saying just out of, just to be safe, they probably should. Because Justin, once again, I need you to put your GM hat on. Do you run that risk?

Do you run the risk of a team leapfrog you to potentially take the guy you want yes all right explain i am not giving up like a third and a fourth just to trade up to get another quarterback i just i'm more of collect the picks and we see how this thing goes type of guy. I'm not giving up picks needlessly if I'm at number four. If it's number two or number one, maybe we can have this conversation. But not at number three. If I'm right next to him, and it depends on who's trading up for who.

I don't know. Let's just say Vikings trading up for Anthony Richardson. The way I see it, let's see, CJ, for some reason, Brighton goes number one. And the Houston Texans decide they don't want CJ Stroud

and they trade out. Then if I'm the Colts, I'll trade up. I could see that happening. So you think it's a wait and see? I said, so you think it's going it's a wait and see? Hmm? I said, so you think it's going to be a wait and see kind of deal? Yeah, I think it's a wait and see.

Interesting. You know, I think so. I could totally see that. I can, I can. But I do want to entertain that a little bit. So you really think that if Bryce Young goes number one, the Texans are going to pass on C.J. Stroud? Thank you. I don't think they should.

That's a really stupid idea. I don't think they should either. That's what they're probably going to do based upon the fact that they didn't get the quarterback of their choice. So do you think they stand pat at number two or do they trade back if they don't get if they don't get bryce young they will trade back and hopefully the colts will be smart enough to move up and take cj stroud yeah yeah i i agree because especially, like you said, if Young goes at number one, the Texans decide to trade back, you better be lighting up their phone. But that's just a thought.

Because if C.J. Stroud's on the board, every team, even teams with a small quarterback controversy i think will be trying to trade up no yeah if they need a quarterback they should try and trade up yeah we'll see but we won't know and this is one of those things that i think won't happen until draft day i think if the cardinals do trade back, it will be on the 27th. What do you think? Yeah, I think it's going to be the day of type of thing. Yeah.

Let me tell you something. I hate these trades. You know, you spend all this time meticulously crafting your mock draft, and boom, a trade screws you. Yeah. That's just how it is, folks. I don't make the rules. So that about does it for the show. Justin, do you have anything else you want to say or bring up?

No, I'm good for right now. All right, then. So that'll do it for us tonight. Thanks for listening. We have new episodes out on Tuesdays and Fridays about 7 30 p.m eastern time be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel and we also have all our episodes available on Spotify, Spreaker, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Google Podcasts and so much more also be sure to follow our Instagram at FumbleRooski underscore podcast to keep up with our podcast and the latest coverage on the NFL otherwise we will see you next week over and out underscore podcast to keep up with our podcast and the latest coverage on the NFL. Otherwise, we will see you next week. Over and out.