The Fumblerooski Podcast - For Real This Time -Ep 372 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

On today's episode, Chris Costich and Adam Wright talk fantasy football. More specifically, the most underrated QBs and TEs. PSA: STOP FALLING FOR THE KYLE PITTS TRAP. Why Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren could be in for a solid rookie season. JJ McCarthy, high risk high reward? Should you take a flier on Geno Smith? All this and more including the retirement of Tyrann Mathieu.

We are just that much closer to the NFL season training camp. It's basically here. Hall of Fame game. That's next week. You're listening to the Full Marouski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back to back games where he has three touchdowns.

Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fumbaruski podcast by Powerade18 radio and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm your host Chris Kostich and it's just me today. No CJ today, but we do still have Adam backstage running the show for us shout out to Adam and apologies real quick for the

Show coming out or this episode coming out late a lot of a lot of different schedule Lot of different scheduling going on here hear me out hear me out. Yeah Try to gather myself after that one Today's episode we're gonna be going through underrated and I was about to say overrated, but underrated fantasy quarterbacks and tight ends to look at for this season. But first, some quick NFL news. Tyron Matthew announces his retirement. That was probably the biggest news of today and probably just this week in general is

a bit of a slower news cycle. But announces retirement, 12 seasons in the league was just with the Saints Super Bowl champion, all pro safety. And of course, an amazing career over at LSU, just an amazing career in general. Shout out to him. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people will probably remember him for trash talking Tom Brady and the Super Bowl and then getting it shoved right back into his face, respectively. Other than that, in other news, Kyron Williams is going to be practicing, says emphatically he'll be practicing full go amid ongoing negotiations. One of a few negotiations. One of many, one of a few notable contract talks that are going on. Another one most notably Terry McLaurin in Rapport just came out earlier today.

By the way, still still recording on Tuesday night. It's currently 1151. Adam and I. Yeah, I'm AI with the braids. Get that out of here. Jesus Christ. Can you imagine that the majority of these memes are really from, made by CJ, but Terry McLaurin not present for conditioning tests, still seeking a new contract, verbatim from Ian Rapoport. And that's, you know, if you were listening to our episode last week, kind of the same ordeal. And if Terry McLaurin is a guy that's been there, right? He's been through the suck. He's been a guy that has gone through two name changes, Washington football team and

then the Washington commanders, terrible quarterbacks. Of course, the ownership change This I feel like this is a guy that you need to do right by Do something about it Washington you gotta do something about it. Um Tim McClure and expressed his frustration publicly last week and now stays away this week as two sides still work on a new contract Another tweet from in Rapport. Other news, Panther's releasing veteran Josie Jewell linebacker. So kind of interesting to see which defense or which team would like to add a veteran linebacker like him. He's not bad. He did very solid over in Denver. It could be a very solid pickup. Bucks plays Tristan Wirfs and Chris Godwin on the Pupp list to begin camp.

Other Pupp list, new Stefan Diggs, of course, towards ACL last year. He's good to go. He's basically good to go. That's pretty much the overall consensus in New England right now. If you've seen any of the off-season workouts he's been doing he's been going a hundred percent Non-stop this entire offseason. So Very excited to see him throughout training camp. And of course week one once we get there Back to

Tyron Matthew real quick Saints found their replacement for the honey badger as they signed Julian Blackman another safety of course So yeah our last played for the Indianapolis Colts Raiders also signing a handful of veterans Pro Bowl former Pro Bowl safety Jamal Adams in Philip Dorsett Patriots legend and Colts.ts legend, Philip Dorsett, I should add. Matt Stafford, got a back issue right now, but nothing gonna be crazy about that. And of course, actually, I think this was the biggest news of the last couple of days, the new uniforms.

All the uniforms that are coming out, the charters just unveiled. They're all golds, all Navy blues. The Bills just announced that they're going with the red helmet throwback to the 90s. They're going to be debuting that. The last regular season game at Highmark Stadium. Long time coming. Josh Allen was kind of teasing it the last couple of years at some of the training camps.

The in-stadium season ticket holder training camp practices. And finally, they're going to do it. Officially official, of course, Soss Gardner to his contract extension. And I think there was one other, well, the Bucks in there, away Crames Coles, but that was last week. And I think that's all the Jersey talk that I can really think of at the moment. Other than that, let's get to business. We're going to start with underrated fantasy tight ends coming into this season.

So right off the bat, we're going to get into probably the most interesting situation, I would say, in terms of tight end. I would say it's in Chicago. Colson Loveland and Colkham at Colson Loveland, of course, being the newest draft pick or first round draft pick for the Bears this season or this past draft. Goodness, you could tell you could tell how late it is. Because my brain's kind of on empty at the moment, but It's gonna be interesting, especially when you have Ben Johnson as your new head coach Very good with two tight ends set just an offensive mastermind in general, right? So it's gonna be interesting to see how

really Both of these tight ends are used right because you got cool command Who's the veteran you would think that he would be tight end one but Colson Loveland a lot of promise in this kit so you could probably really make a case for both of them being tight end one and according to fantasy pros right now Colson Loveland is currently ranked higher in terms of tier in terms of ranking right now they have Colson Loveland is currently ranked higher in terms of tier, in terms of ranking. Right now they have Colson Loveland in tier four, highest tight end in tier four by the way at 16th and Colt Komet kind of in the middle of the pack of tier five of this ranking

at 30. I would say both tight ends would be a very good pick, especially with, you know, this is a very good, this should set up to be a very good offense, but we'll see how Caleb Williams does in year two. And a lot of people are expecting Caleb Williams to make that jump here in year two as well. Now that you have a head coach and a GM that are both under contract at the same time, both, excuse me, both guys finally in the right mindset, basically. That's all you're looking for. That's all you're looking for is just a sense of, now I'm losing the term. Now I'm losing the term.

Now I'm losing the term. Either way, you guys know what I'm trying to get at. It's a more stable situation. That's what I'm looking for. It's a more stable situation for the Bears at this point because we talked about this before in the past. It was always, you know, you have a coach that doesn't get the quarterback that they want. So they go and draft another guy and then they fire the coach.

Same thing with the GM. They end up having a guy that they don't want. It's just a whole mess. Now the Bears finally figured it out a year too late, maybe potentially, but it's still year two, technically year two of Caleb Williams. So we'll see what happens. Another one that Adam and I had been talking about with Tyler Warren, and he's currently ranked in tier three, kind of in that middle pack at number 12. But this is a guy that was supposed to be the highest ranked tight end coming out of this past draft class ends up being the second tight end taking off the board. And it really kind of just depends on who's that quarterback, I guess, right? Because

it's Anthony, it's either Anthony Richardson or Daniel Jones. And signs are kind of pointing to the fact that it could potentially be Daniel Jones at QB1. Either way, you have to expect Tyler Warren's going to be a high value target in this offense, right? So that's why we're thinking Tyler Warren as a pretty underrated guy. And then another guy that really flies under the radar. Oh, speak of the devil, here's Adam Wright himself. I couldn't stay away from it. Good. It gets tiring talking to yourself sometimes.

Well, technically I'm not talking to myself, I'm talking to the audience, but. Okay. John Ouse Smith. You and I were talking about this before the show John who Smith You know, he ended up having a bit of a bad light and it was mainly because of his tenure in New England It didn't and you and I can attest to this as Pats fans. It did not go the way that we had hoped to go We thought we were gonna see rock and Hernandez to point out. And also without the murder and it was anything but it was just a failed situation.

Johnny Smith goes to Atlanta is alright in Atlanta. What then he goes to Miami. But then he goes to Miami. Andrew start to pile up. He starts to be one of the more valued tight ends. Just one more value players at the very least on the Dolphins. One more value tight ends in fantasy and really flew under the radar. And for anyone that had him in fantasy can attest to this. You probably saved a lot of a lot of teams and their seasons.

So I think that and now you look at him in Pittsburgh. Yeah, he's probably gonna have to fight for share of the ball with DK Metcalf. But there's a lot of this good setup for another solid year from John Smith. So I say don't be afraid to take a meet probably Honestly, don't be afraid to take a missed your tight end one. I Like yeah, this is a guy who I really like Johnny Smith as As a sleeper the reason I like him is because not just he's been good everywhere He's been except for New England like he's been good everywhere good everywhere he's been except for New England. Like he's been good everywhere.

It's not just that. It's that he went to the Steelers who have a track record with tight ends, right? Not just Pat Fryermuth, but also Eric Ebron before him. Ebron is a guy who kind of jumped around. He had all these injury issues. He goes to the Steelers and he was actually a very productive tight end. Was he the best tight end? No, but he got some, you know, he got some touchdowns. He got some receptions. He got some yards. He was very productive. And who's to say that John New Smith can't do that.

Let's say we have a decent year from Aaron Rodgers in his final season. He can very much lean on a guy like John who Smith in the dinkin dunk game to get him the ball while DK Metcalf is going deep. Exactly. And do bring up past Steelers tight ends. Let's throw in Heath Miller as well that guy was a freaking dog or I say the guy's name right wrong I think so well that's embarrassing yeah Heath Miller I got it right he but that was that was earlier Steelers days. Point still stands, like in the last 20 years, the Steelers have done pretty well in terms

of the tight end department. Yeah. I mean, you've covered, as far as all the other tight ends, I think you did a good job of covering the two tight ends in Chicago. Both have intrigue. Tyler Warren is another one. The only reason we're hesitant on the rookies here. Yes. The big reason is because they're rookies. With tight ends you very rarely see an electric rookie season. What we

got from Brock Bowers is a bit of an anomaly and what we got from Kyle Pitts his rookie year was an anomaly and you can tell that because look at how Kyle Pitts has been ever since then. And now we got our mention of Kyle Pitts for CJ, who created our thumbnail without looking to us and saying, well, are you guys going to mention him? He imposed it on us. Yeah. But he goes on vacation, is is like let's fuck everyone up The one thing I'll say about Cal pits is that if you think about drafting him

Honestly, if you just think about drafting him at all The only reason that you draft him is because you're accidentally autopicked Yes, that's the Six beers was talking to you You're in the 12th. You're in the 12th round. It talks to you like the green. The call pets is like, oh, my God.

If you're not any of what we just listed, then you're just a fucking idiot, to be honest. Yeah, I like if you choose them as like a tight end to tight end three, if you're really going that far into tight end depth sure don't just don't even but that roster spot just exactly another running back or a wide receiver yeah like your pretty or use Kyle Pitts as your add drop guy like that's that's what you use that roster spot for I guess listen with tight ends is a lot of people take backups.

I will admit to you, I never take backups. No. When it comes to tight ends. I'd rather get the value in more wide receivers and running backs, and if you really need the other tight end, trade some of it to go and get that extra tight end. Yeah.

Because tight ends are so so meaningless. And when it comes to fantasy. It's, it's just not worth it. Just go find somebody who get who get a touch, get a touchdown or something. Yeah. That's all the tight ends I really had in mind. I think one other one I would throw out there is maybe Zach Gertz. And you saw in the playoff game last year, he's got a lot left in the tank. He was the biggest performer in that playoff game against the Eagles where they got absolutely

shellacked. And when you take it like Terry McLorin's most likely probably going to play this year, right? But either way, regardless of Terry plays or not, he's still going to be a high value target for Jaden Daniels. Yeah. The only thing that I question there is his age. Yeah, obviously.

Maybe he falls off the cliff. Tight end is a very punishing position. Let's say he let's say he does fall off the cliff. And he physically it's not there. None of his talent from before even matters anymore. So that's all gonna matter. That's what it that's what it that's what it's like when it comes to the NFL. You're always flying high until you're not. Yeah, you're just it's just boom. It it's as Max Kellerman used to put it you fall off a cliff become a bum in short order most of the

time Max Kellerman is right in making that point but just the guy who was talking about just ended up playing for another eight fucking years. Yes, and won multiple Super Bowls, won another league MVP. Oh boy, that was multiple 40 plus touchdown seasons. Unbelievable stuff. Yeah. All right. Let's move on. Unless you add one other thing, but I think I'm good.

Cool. All right. We're going to move on when we get back. We're going to get into our underrated fantasy quarterbacks heading into the 2025 season. This is the Fumaruski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws.

Back to back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fomoroski Podcast. I'm Chris Kostich. He's Adam Wright. We're going to get into our underrated fantasy quarterbacks heading into this season.

Some good ones. I like the quarterback position and this is probably, you know, when you talk about fantasy football quarterbacks, I even made this point to Adam and the fact of, you know, we originally were going to do a top five fantasy quarterbacks, but that could have easily correlated with our top five quarterbacks in general. And then I also made the point of, you know, the, like Tom Brady was debatably the best quarterback for however many years, but he wasn't necessarily the best fantasy quarterback. Like I like there were some years I won't

even consider him a top five fantasy quarterback. But either way, Adam, give me a actually, we'll just start with Drake May. We'll just start with Drake May. I'm sending you to the sin with Drake May. Yeah, we'll just start with Drake May. Look, we're talking about a situation, like if we're talking like Caleb Williams having a pretty solid situation in year two, I think Drake May is right up there with them and maybe even better. Stephon Diggs coming off ACL tear looking better than ever. Just a revamped offense,

revamped defense. Mike Vribel at the helm. You got Josh McDaniels back as your OC. Great OC, terrible head coach. I think that's very, very, very fair to say. I mean, this is the same guy that turned Mac Jones into a Pro Bowl, even though Pro Bowl is, uh, even though Pro Bowl doesn't really mean anything anymore. It's still a, he still made Mac Jones look insanely good. Um, so I expect the same thing from Drake May, essentially, especially from what we saw last year. Don't even look at the box score because the box score doesn't show the promise that

Drake May has. If you look at his stats, that's because of how terrible of an offense the Pats had last year. Yeah. I mean, the way I look at it, they literally had none of anything when it comes to Drake May. I didn't want him to start his rookie year. I was very upfront of it on it

when I was an actual host on this show, constantly claiming it is a very bad idea to start Drake May in this offense. You're not gonna gain anything from it. I think he would learn much more while just getting practice raps rather than getting his head ripped off by defenses. Praise God that he got through that season safe and uninjured. I was scared to death that entire season.

That being said, this off season they completely 180 their roster. They remade the offensive line even if it's 25% better that's still it keeps Drake May on his feet for as long as he needs to be to be there. Coaching is much better. Mike Vrabel, Josh McDaniels, those two are going to completely 180 this offense as far as their scheme. I'm very excited and encouraged from this past week's news on the physically unable to perform list. Stephon Diggs was not on it, which means that all of the hype about Stephon Diggs speed speedy recovery it was all real. There's a lot of times where you see a guy you know some training camp reps some

practice reps when he's like down south just training with his trainer you'll see it all the time whether there you get all this hype oh my god he still has it look at you know look at Des Bryant in these practice reps, he can really do it, and they end up doing nothing. It becomes a nothing burger. This seems like it's not. And if they have Stefan Diggs in a functional offensive line, good coaching, if Drake Mays anywhere, even if he stays the the same then he's a 20 plus touchdown

quarterback. A lot of people are saying they're making the case that if Drake that Drake may if he stays the same that it's it's it's bad if he stays the same then his stats aren't going to be the same. Because with his production last year, if he has the offensive line and the weapons, then that means that that season is not going to be 15 touchdowns to 10 interceptions, it's probably going to be more like 20 to 25 touchdowns to 10 interceptions, and maybe even less. If he gets the same stats, that means he regressed. Because if you have a better offensive line, better weapons, better coaching, that means you regressed.

So he has a better situation around him. I'm very excited about Drake May this year. I think he's going to have, I can see why people overlook him because of the stats, because of, you know, he don't we don't know much but I Think he's a guy who flies under the radar here, too Had at least 17 fantasy points in six of his last 12 starts last year Like we said retooled offensive line a lot more talent to work with now just a lot just more to work with

That's all it is. That's literally all you have to look at. We're also talking JJ McCarthy as potentially an underrated quarterback as well. We've had a lot of differing conversations about JJ McCarthy this off season, right? Because we really don't know what to expect of him because he missed an entire year with an ACL injury. But the fact of the matter is, you have to look at who JJ McCarthy is throwing to and who he has around him. That's really it. TJ Hawkinson, Jordan Addison, Justin Jefferson, Aaron Jones of the backfield again, or they brought Aaron Jones for another year again.

Good offensive line. Great offensive minded heck. Look what he did with Sam Darnold last year. Now we're still trying to figure out if that was just a one-off from Sam Darnold last year. Now, we're still trying to figure out if that was just a one off from Sam Darnold or not. But still, the fact of the matter is Kevin O'Connell is a quarterback whisperer. He knows what he's doing. There's a reason why he was coach of the year last year. The keys are there for him. He's just got to be able to perform now I think this goes to like kind of in the Zach Ertz term right high-risk high

reward I think that's what we're looking at in terms of JJ McCarthy if you do choose them to be your fancy quarterback now if you want to play it safe and choose him as your QB2, good, fine. That's fine. Because you will quickly see on the bench in the first couple of weeks, if you do have him sit on your bench behind whoever you do choose as your QB1, we're going to quickly see in the first couple of weeks what he has in store. You've said everything that's needed to be said about JJ McCarthy. I mean, as far as adding on to that, I think there's value to be had when you're actually sitting, even if you're injured. If just getting face time with coaches, getting to see some game film, you have some time to work on your mechanics during the time that you get healthy

There's a lot to be there's There's a lot of value there that people don't understand everyone thinks that you have to be developed just by getting game reps I completely disagree with that Just look at Just look at Jordan Love, who five minutes ago started his first NFL game after being drafted all the way back in 2020. And he looked terrible when he first entered the league. Now look at how he is.

It's the same deal here, right? I mean... Patrick Mahomes. Exactly, Patrick Malm's exactly Patrick Malm's. A lot of people trying to make the argument Patrick Malm's probably would have made the playoffs if he started his rookie year. And maybe that would have been true. But how good would he have been? What do you invent a 50 touchdown quarterback? The idea of like, they weren't holding out Patrick Mahomes because then Alex Smith

I'm sorry, but that's such a bad argument If if you if Patrick Mahomes is anything like what you believe he will be you're not letting Alex Smith get in the way and I think the issue is you You want to look at player development. Maybe Drake may, excuse me, maybe Patrick Mahomes is the guy. In the same way that you look at J.J. McCarthy, maybe he is the guy. But you want to be patient with that guy.

I care more about the 15 years of dominance than that one year where you're trying to rush being a contender. It spells impatience. Speaking of impatience, if you don't mind, I'd love to segue into our next guy. I wanted to throw one more quick thing about JJ McCarthy. Just going off of NFL.com writer Adam rank He currently has JJ McCart. He Has JJ McCarthy on his roster for sure this season and that his floor is Brock Purdy who averaged 17.79 fancy points per game, which was 13th In all fantasy football last season the ceiling boat the ceiling bone next 18.66 fancy points per game, which was seventh last

year. So we rock party ceiling of bone necks. Yeah, it's really the difference of like, it's really the difference of one point next is, I mean, I like bone necks, I think he's good, but we don't know how good he is. It's good. Brock Perny is technically. It's the point of how it's the point of like the just the fancy season that they both had last year. Bonex had a pretty solid fantasy year at like averaging 18 points, 18 fancy points in your rookie season. That's pretty solid. that's pretty solid that's pretty solid yeah looking at guys who have good potential you want to be

patient on Caleb Williams is a guy who everyone has looked at and has written off because he had by the eye test a rough rookie year. Notice how I said by the eye test. It's weird because the stats actually say that he was actually he was a pretty good rookie but they look at the eye test when it's convenient to them which is interesting. Yeah. Right. And I will I will say by the eye test, it was extremely inconsistent. But notice how I said inconsistent, because there is still something there with him. And he had a really bad coaching system. Coaching was just not there. The weapons were there, but the offensive line was extremely spotty. What did they do this offseason? They improved the interior of their offensive line, and they improved their coaching staff. Two things that were glaring needs for them, and they nailed them extremely early in the offseason, before free agency even started, if you remember.

They got all of their interior offensive linemen, that's what they needed. They got Ben Johnson, obviously before Free agency started because that's when coaching hires happen. They got all of that early One thing I love about Ryan Poles. He is probably the most productive GM in all of football He is as pro. He is as proactive as it gets. And it's shown in the past few off-seasons. Has it translated into a post-season berth? Not yet. But be patient with Caleb Williams. I think they have something with him.

Yeah. It's very easy to not be totally confident in this guy, right? Like, it's very easy to not be totally confident in this guy, right? Like it's very easy, but I think you put it best, just be patient. Like it, it's probably one of those things, right? Like that we, we, I just said about JJ McCarthy, maybe you choose Caleb Williams as your number two guy and wait a couple of weeks, see how it works out. See what happens. Um, did you have anyone else you want to throw out there? Give me one more real quick. Okay, give me a Michael panics. The reason he slept on is mainly because he hasn't gotten many game wraps. But like we said, you don't need many game reps in order to develop. You can develop through practice. And he showed some good promise in the

few reps that he got at the end of the season. If he played the entire season, I guarantee you, I believe that he wouldn't be as good. If you look at Michael Penick's now, now that he's gotten a lot of training reps, he's gotten a lot of face time with coaches, plenty of NFL coaching over the last year and a half. You go into now, this season, with him being a full-time starter, good roster around him, good offensive line. Coaching remains to be seen, but I'm encouraged. Michael

Pennex is a good guy to look at. I like it. I mean, especially like just looking at, you know, some quick articles, just reading headlines, not really diving into anything real deep here. It's, Michael Pennex is talking very highly about, you know, having to sit behind Kirk Cousins and learning a lot just through mental reps. It's kind of what we just said the same thing about JD McCarthy. Mental reps can be probably the best thing for a young quarterback. Michael Penex isn't necessarily the youngest quarterback in the league, right? Like he's what? 28 or whatever. One of the older or not 28, but you know what I mean?

25, 25. Either way, mental reps at any stage are good reps, and that's all you can take away from that. Yeah, that's that's who I have. I think that's I think can take away from that. Yeah. That's, that's who I have. I think that's, I think those are the guys and you'll notice that it's almost the entire 2024 NFL draft class, which is, um, which is telling because I believe that it's going to be one of the best draft classes of all time. Yeah.

Um, I guess one more I'm I'll throw out there but with caution is Trevor Lawrence but that's you're really you're really betting on him to really actually take over. You're really betting on Liam Cohen to be the saving grace that Trevor Lawrence needs. They haven't fired Pres Taylor yet. Yeah, no they have. That was the whole reason why Liam Cohen got hired in the first place. the saving grace that Trevor Lawrence needs. They haven't fired Pres Taylor yet. Yeah, no, they have. That was the whole reason why Liam Cohen got hired in the first place. No, you're thinking of Doug Peterson.

No, they fired Pres Taylor. Liam Cohen is...hang on. The whole reason why Liam Cohen even accepted the job was because they fired Pres Taylor. I swear they did not. No they did. Trust me. I mean, I'm back checking myself here. If we're talking about Pres Taylor, if Pres Taylor's gone and Liam Cohen's just running

the whole show, becoming his own offensive coordinator, that is quite the gamble too on himself because I'll press wait press Taylor the OC for summary. I was thinking the GM for some reason Yes, yeah, they they did fire their GM but yeah, they're still there. That's Okay, I miss under Bad that was a bad misread there. That's for sure but Listen, they have good weapons right now. I like Travis hunter. I think he's going to be pretty good. They have Brian Thomas So they they have their guys. It's just a question of

What is Trevor Lawrence, I don't think we all even know yet. We're going into year, what, four with him? Five. 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. Yeah. Year four or five. Five. We don't know what he is right now and that is extremely troublesome which is why a lot of people are sleeping on him. So as far

as fantasy goes, yeah sure, but you know who else people really sleep on is Dak Prescott. But Dak Prescott year in in, year out, puts on pretty good fantasy seasons. And he deserves to be slept on because in real life, when it comes to winning championships, it's just not there. Postseason production is not there. He becomes a pumpkin. But we're talking about regular season. So if we're talking about Trevor Lawrence, just the potential to have that one season where he's putting up good fantasy stats. Yeah, sure. It's there.

But I think he just you get a bad rep. You get a bad reputation on what you're looking for. Because Trevor Lawrence has not played up to snuff. Yeah, he was lauded as the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck and he is not even close to living up to that. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to justify like drafting a guy that's cracked 25 touchdowns once in his first four seasons and having 14 or more interceptions in half of those seasons as well.

Of course, last year missing seven games with the injury. Trust me, trust us. It's very hard to justify it, but it's why we throw it out there because you really never know. And he's played four seasons, by the way. Yeah. He's going into five. Yeah, that's why, man.

He's going into his fifth season. Okay. So we were on the same page as just our phrasing. Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's, I'd say that's pretty good under a QB list. I wanted to go, since we shit on one tight end, I'll not necessarily shit on a quarterback,

but I'll say if you're going to look at one quarterback to stray away from that as is a top 15 guy in the league, it's Justin Herbert, cause he's still like, imagine the year he had last year, copy and paste. That's all I have to say to you. Like you're not like, he's going to do well in not throwing picks, but you're really not going to get a lot of yards or touchdowns out of them. Cause it's still just lad McConkney.

It's still just lad McConkney. It's still just lad and everyone else. Yeah, but it's still Justin Herbert. Yeah. It's mainly the way they use them. They've become very dink and dunk since they brought in Jim Harbaugh. Well because they don't have anyone to throw to besides Ladd. Like there's like, there's no trust to throw the ball down the field really. Not no trust in Justin Herbert, of course, because he's got a great arm.

But it's like, like I said, but behind Ladd, there's almost nobody. You want one guy who's a deep sleeper who I was actually about to say stay away from him But the more I think about it, you know Smith. Oh He has a solid floor he's already worked with Pete Carroll the offensive line is better in Vegas than it was in Seattle. You have Brock Bowers and Mr. Wide Receiver Two over there who left the Patriots. He's their one, but you know what I'm talking about. Jacoby Myers, Brock Bowers is the number one, Myers is the two, decent coaching,

at least familiar coaching, I'll say, can have a better run game. Oh, much better run game with. Like Geno Smith was working with like no run game last year because last time Pete Carroll had an elite running back like that. Marshawn. So deep sleeper there. He probably won't even get drafted in your league. He's a guy who will probably be one of those. Probably will be a quarterback streamer type of guy where you don't have the real QB one.

So you just keep on streaming guys, which is what you can do. You can get away with by the way. I've done that a few times and made the playoffs by the way it's quarterback and tight end these are a couple of the most meaningless uh positions in all of fantasy for their own reasons court uh tight end because it just doesn't produce anywhere quarterback because production grows on trees Yeah, what you can get from like from the Joe burrows and Lamar Jackson's of the world you could get from streaming Various quarterbacks throughout the season you can get that at least at least close to it. So Yeah, it's pretty pretty solid list that we've compiled there. That was good Before we end the show

Want it? There's one quarterback here that Adam rank NFL comm writer threw in this is this is where we shit on the writer himself now Not the quarterback down a rabbit hole man. I know but I this I Saw this and I just can't I just can't look at this and not say something about it I know that I know we want to go to bed, but He has Justin Fields ranked ninth Above Kyler Murray Caleb Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Brock Purdy, Drake May, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, CJ Stroud, JJ McCarthy, Matt Stafford, Bryce

Young, Tua Gino, Darnold. I don't even, I'm not even gonna say the rest because at that point we're just getting into like the bottom of the barrel and they actually deserve to be ranked that low, but just terrible. And the description he put in, "'I'm buying into Justin Fields for reaching his full potential with the Jets this year.

The veteran QB has the pieces around him to succeed and Fields plays likely to make OC Tanner Engstrand a highly sought after coaching candidate. He can't throw the ball. He cannot read a defense. We've seen the clips from his Bears days of him literally not being able to see multiple open receivers down the field and running into the pile for the sack. You saw the clip. You saw that play. He can't do it. And then he went to the Steelers. They were winning games and they still benched him. He couldn't know that he can't do it.

He couldn't beat out Russell Wilson for the starting job. Well, he got the starting job. That's what I'm saying. He got the starting job. Because he's hurt. And they went four and two and they still benched him because they knew they were winning in spite of him. They were winning because he runs a little bit. He can run for some touchdowns, but he can't throw. His throwing ability is not there.

And his, I'm sorry, he just doesn't process the game in a way that he can actually read a defense and be able to make the right plays and make the right decisions. It just doesn't happen with him. Good kid, maybe he could be a solid quarterback somewhere in the right system where you're loaded to the gills with weapons. But I'm not sold on him. I'm never gonna be sold on. If you want him for the value of that,

he's gonna get you rushing touchdowns and rushing touchdowns tend to do actually. Are worth more than passing touchdowns sure go for it. Be my guest enlighten yourself. What don't even bother that that's yeah. Now we're now we're going too far with it at this point, but We're at 45 minutes. Let's just say hey man. You're the one that decided to join in the show I did but i'm like I can't This is a golden opportunity. I gotta I gotta make my appearance. You are you're the fancy guy

Amongst the four of us. So it it's hard not to have you in studio for this But that'll do it for us tonight. Thank you for tuning in. Apologies again for the delay on this episode being posted. Like I said, scheduling issues. So this is what we had to do. New episode coming out next Tuesday at 7.30 PM Eastern Standard. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel. Also have all our episodes available on Spotify, Spreaker, Apple Podcasts, IR, Radio, Google

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