The Fumblerooski Podcast - Getting Theirs -Ep 225 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Are the Eagles still capable of winning the Super Bowl? Could a backup quarterback make a deep playoff run this year? What is the Packers’ ceiling? Adam Wright, Chris Costich, and CJ Medeiros discuss these topics and more!

The 49ers run the Eagles out of Philly, the Bengals beat the Jaguars and are very much still in the playoff race, and the Packers find themselves in the playoff picture. I'm Adam Wright and you're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. Welcome back. This is the Fumble Ruski Podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with Chris Kostic, and welcome back, CJ Medeiros. It's taken a semester-long hiatus. He's been on the show on and off, but welcome back, dude. Thank you. You're very generous. I appreciate it.

All right. Well, you did come back at a very opportune time as the league is in a very crazy spot. So we're going to talk about a lot of quarterback injuries that have happened over the course of this season, starting from quite literally the first few snaps of the Jets game, the Jets opening game. The 49ers destroying Philly, getting revenge on their NFC Championship rematch from this past season, and the Packers, they seem to be very much in the playoff picture, while Kansas City, looking a little shaky lately. But we'll start with the 49ers destroying the Philadelphia Eagles. How badly? 42-19. Brock Purdy threw, I believe it was four touchdown

passes, 14 yards. And Debo Samuel with two touchdowns, 116 yards, and add a rushing touchdown to that as well. So three total touchdowns.

This was an absolute beatdown. And Debo Samuel wore all black when he was walking into this game. They wanted to make a statement and prove that they were not going to be bullied like they were in the last game, in that they only won last game because Brock Purdy got injured, and they were playing with their fourth-string quarterback. But what do you guys think of this game? What are your takeaways? I'll start with you, Chris. 49ers talk their shit, and they let their nuts drag. That's the best way I can describe it. Debo has run his mouth ever since that NFC Championship game last year.

He said every single corner on that Eagles secondary is trash. And what'd he do? He went out and proved it. You know, on top of that, 49ers are easily just the best team. They proved they're the best team in the nfl right now easy is that brock purdy is now in the lead for the mvp race as well very much deserved but um i don't necessarily think it should be cmc or it should be cmc i don't necessarily think it should be purdy but that's a different story that's a different conversation for a different time um but yeah one of the big

things for the eagles was the past game and their secondary secondary got absolutely exposed and the past game they didn't really get anything going in the past game until like late second half and that was because they had to go to the past game i mean jalen hertz was 26 for 45 these you still had your receivers game going, right? A.J. Brown had eight catches, 114 yards. Devonta Smith had nine catches, 96 yards. But that was all basically when the game was already two scores, and you had to start airing it out at that point.

I think the Eagles will be fine, but I think that 49ers just had their way with the Eagles all day. But Eagles will be fine. 49ers, best team in the NFL. All right, CJ. CJ, you're muted. I muted you. I forgive you. I forgive you. Anyway, the way I look at this is that Philly,

I know you're going from first in the NFC to still first in the NFC, and you're tempted to not be worried. But I just want to say something. For the Eagles fans, you lost something more than the game. You lost a little bit of credibility. Narratives are starting to form maybe just maybe you really did get lucky that Purdy was injured you know because because that's what and Chris mentioned Debo Samuel was running his mouth the entire time and to be fair Philly

fans talked to big game too they said we'll beat you anytime anywhere we'll beat you with or without purdy well now they had purdy and i'm and let's just let's be real let's speak the truth philly went out and got punched in the mouth i mean technically philly's most efficient runner was jalen hertz who was their quarterback who only threw like one touchdown pass on the day, and he did, to be fair, run for one, but that was pretty much it. A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith went off, but why? I mean, they had a good game, but it's literally just empty calories, considering the fact those numbers didn't translate into a win this uh high flying eagles offense let's face it was held to 19 points

but the 49ers though i know we like to point the finger at brock purdy and say oh you're a system guy you're only good because the team around you is good that you know that's what everyone's been saying you know you're fraudulent but is he though like is he actually like really fraudulent no he's not only it's that for you right now he's not yeah you're right i was gonna say that but no no for example if you put kenny pickett on this offense would he do well probably not no adam no no. And I don't have the energy to argue with you. I mean, if I had a week, I couldn't list all the reasons why you're incorrect. But no, no, no.

Kenny Pickett, I don't think would have seen that offense. Zach Wilson probably wouldn't. But no, no, no. Because Purdy still, he's a little more than a game-ender. I mean, 314 yards, four touchdowns, yes, having a bunch of weapons helps. But it's not like a bum can go ahead and do that. And the Niners, the Niners are a scary team. I mean, Javon Kinlaw had himself a game.

You know, he had two sacks. Ambry Thomas and Jair Brown, the defensive backs are starting to come into their own. Javarius Ward's looking all right. And on top, as we mentioned earlier in the year, you traded for chase young this niners team is going to be a real threat to this eagles team and when you look at on the other side of the river you look at the afc and you look at how banged up the teams are and how whoever's

going to make it out of that divisions or that conference going to be bruised and battered the winner of the nfc could very well win the Super Bowl. Yeah, listen, we raised our objections towards this Eagles team earlier this past week. And we agree, both of these teams are electric. These are unbelievable teams that should make deep playoff runs, both of them. I think we can all expect them both to be playing in the conference championship in January. If not, it's a massive disappointment. I want to see a third chapter of these two teams playing. Our issue with this Eagles team was with their passing game.

And like we said, once this team has to legitimately play from behind and keep up with an actually legitimate offense, one that doesn't turn the ball over, Josh Allen, then you're in trouble. And that's what happened here. Now, regarding San Francisco, I'm not trying to say that Brock Purdy isn't an elite quarterback, but I haven't seen enough to suggest that he's not being made to look a lot better with the weapons he has around him. You had that three-game stretch where you lost three straight games against teams that weren't really that good,

and all of a sudden he gets his toys back, and all of a sudden he's back to what he was before then. I just can't unsee that. I can't unsee it. Now, let's see a larger sample size down the road. If he can play better in a few seasons when they don't have as many weapons and they're still competitive, okay. I'll give him the pass. But right now, I'm still a little skeptical.

Adam, I'm going to fight with you until the end of time over this, man. The three games, the first one, he had him in field goal range. That's on the kicker at that point. The other two games, he's hurt. You can't leave it that close to begin with. Sure. Because mistakes like that are going to happen. He still put him in a spot to win the game.

That's the point. You were playing against P.J. Walker. Still put him in a spot to win the game. Also, don't the Browns have one of the best defenses in the league? That too. and even still and i know you could say okay but but he should have won all right then will that same argument apply to all the elite offenses the jets have clamped up george kittle brandon iuk christian mccaffrey at that point you still had uh you still had your left tackle your your bodyguard, Trent Williams.

You lose just Debo Samuel, and you did lose Christian McCaffrey halfway through that game, but you got him back in the next two games. I'm sorry, but I'm still a little – I'm not jumping to any conclusions here. I'm just saying I'm skeptical because it was a small sample size. What you're saying could be true. It could be. I'm just saying that in those three games, I cannot unsee what I just saw in the same way that I can't unsee the other games that he played very well, but he had a lot of great weapons around him during that stretch. Well, at this point, he's played well enough. I feel like the sample size is large enough at this point

where he's had so many good games that should be able to cancel out those three bad games. Those are the only three games that he has played without those weapons, and it didn't look great. Now, it is a small sample size that's what i'm saying i'm it's a small sample small sample size but you know i'd rather see him when he's not on concussion protocol right but he came out of it yeah yeah so purdy himself was banged up too and that's what you're conveniently leaving out i'm not leaving that out i'm saying literally didn't address it until chris did everything you are saying could be true i am just saying we can't we can't just discount it though we can't be so quick to discount it

it's he's automatically an elite quarterback he's automatically this okay who said he was automatically elite we just said that. I'd say he's top 10. Did I say outright and I quote automatically elite? I'm just saying I don't remember saying that. I'd say he's top 10. I'm not saying he's not. I want to see him without these weapons. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying he is elite. I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he's not fraudulent. I'm not saying he is fraudulent. I just want to see him without these weapons for an extended amount of time because he's surrounded with more weapons than ISIS. Patrick Mahomes, when he first entered the league, he had a full arsenal of weapons. He had a machine gun in Tyreek Hill and a bazooka in Travis Kelsey. You lose the machine gun in Tyreek Hill, okay, you replace him with a pistol in Juju Smith-Schuster. You got by. The bazooka, Tyreek Hill, has aged a little bit. It's having a down here and the the pistol you you lose it you're you're going with your hands right now you got marquez valdez scantling which

is a which is a gun that doesn't work but doesn't this kind of like what i said last time sorry chris i don't want to cut you off i'm just saying where i said that how offenses evolve so much to the point where a quarterback can rely on weapons because even patrick mahomes himself is looking shaky and even still i haven't heard anyone especially not you refer to him as fraudulent but he's still been a solid quarterback this year he's thrown for 22 touchdowns to 10 interceptions and he's on pace for over 4 000 yards he's going to end up throwing for over 30 touchdowns and the chiefs that goes back to what aaron rogers once said down years for me are career years for other quarterbacks and this is a down year for and for patrick mahomes by his standards he still could make it to a pro bowl he's still okay and the pro bowls popularity contest what are you trying to

prove he's still he's statistically he is worthy as he is worthy of a pro bowl he is worthy of that don't invoke the pro bowl argument man just drop it now do not invoke the Pro Bowl argument, man. Just drop it now. Do not invoke the Pro Bowl. Mitch Trubisky and Mac Jones disagree. 30 plus touchdown passes does not need to mention the Pro Bowl. And you know what? Fine. Tom Brady threw for 40 touchdown passes. Was that a down year for him? He didn't make the Pro Bowl. Exactly. So you literally just feed your own point. So why are you invoking the Pro Bowl if the Pro Bowl is literally just such a mindless popularity contest? I'm talking about what's worthy. I'm not talking about what ends up happening.

I'm saying he is still putting up a solid season without weapons. But like I said, all I'm saying is – Put Brock Purdy in that situation in Kansas City. Is he doing well? Is he? Because I don't see that i think he'd do the same thing as mahomes in the sense that he's going to put it in the receiver's hands and they're going to drop it you can't fix bad receivers i mean you literally can't he's not putting up like i said it literally was the point

i made last time i was here but i said offense has evolved so much to the point where quarterbacks now need to rely on high-end weapons the arab Arab defense of running the ball is over. And the fact that we have a quarterback as great as Patrick Mahomes, who is not immune to this, says volumes. I'm not attacking Purdy. I'm not attacking Mahomes. I'm just saying this is the way the NFL is now, like it or not. I agree. You need some sort of weapons, but I think you also can't rely on those. And it gets to that point with some quarterbacks where they may not be as good. They may be still solid quarterbacks, but they're not as good as the weapons are showing them to be.

This is evident through Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott as well. These are very good quarterbacks, but they also have CeeDee Lamb and Justin Jefferson perennially, and they still are among the league leaders in interceptions every single year. They're having good years. They're still incredible players, but they throw a lot of interceptions, and when they don't have those players, they don't play nearly as well. On your point? My point is, we do not know brock purdy is this good i once again that's

that's great that we don't know that because i never technically said he was okay i mean you're literally trying to defeat a point that i didn't make but whatever he's trying to defeat a point that i've made yeah i. I thought it was directed at me. I forgive you. I ended up more stepping away because I thought I turned into you two going at each other, so I kind of just stepped away. Why don't we focus a little bit more on the game for a couple more minutes before we end this segment? 49ers and the Eagles.

So they've both traded blowouts here. The only difference is Philly did it without, when the 49ers were playing without Brock Purdy, they were playing with Josh Johnson for a couple of, and it was a one score game up until the end of the first half. And it was a two score game up until basically the fourth quarter. They have a great supporting cast. Philly does as well.

And I also want to try to make the argument here, or I'll make the argument, that things aren't as bad as they seem for Philly right now. I don't think they are. This isn't a test on which team is better. This is a test about if the 49ers could answer what just happened back in January, that they weren't as bad as we thought they were. I think we are going to figure out that Philly can still hold their own in January. I'm not saying that they aren't.

They were down in this game and they couldn't come back. Yeah, it was against the 49ers. They were also down the last two weeks, and they had to make a comeback the last two weeks prior to this past weekend. I'm not going to say that they can't play from behind. I think that the 49ers are just the best team in the league, and it wasn't Philly's day yeah uh cj you're also muted can you turn can you is there a way you can turn the gain down on your mic it's just picking up everything the what uh How's this? Does this work? How's that?

It's still picking up a lot. I don't know. There's two knobs on the thing. I can't adjust. I don't know. It's a powerful thing. So how does it sound? It sounds better now.

All right. I just... Anyway, sorry about that. Anyway, we'll work on it later. But my point is about philly it's not that you lost it's not even about who you lost to it's about what can you do after this loss and adam and chris as pats fans we've seen this before where our teams have been flying high specifically in 2018, 2019, 2015, 2019.

And to a lesser extent, 2021, where they go on a win streak, they get hot, they get, there's one game that they drop, but they have no business losing. You know,

they just get punched in the mouth. And then, then all of a sudden you can't stop the bleeding. You know what I mean? All of a sudden you drop like five out of your last seven. I mean, you're still like around the number one seed, but it's not the same. You know what i mean all of a sudden you drop like five out of your last seven i mean you're still like around the number one seed but it's not the same you know i mean for philly it's going to be about how do you stop the bleeding it's about you just got punched in the mouth because they have

one other loss now it's the jets but even still that was a one score game you did not get blown out here you just got blown out so for me the question is it's not about who's the better team it's about how does philly respond it's not a test of physical toughness it's a test about mental toughness and if you can bounce back you can go out and uh next on their schedule is another toughie you're going to be in dallas if you can go out you could beat dallas you should be fine i'm glad you bring that up then maybe that could be a little dicey it's no big indictment but maybe i'm glad you brought that up because dallas has won 14 straight home games and they're all they've also become red hot

themselves and um the one of those wins was against you, the Philadelphia Eagles. So they have proven that they can beat you in the regular season at home when they are in their house. So I wouldn't rule out – this is just the Eagles' second loss. I wouldn't rule out another one of those. Although – Could happen this next week. Eagles' second loss, I wouldn't rule out another one of those. Although. Could happen this next week. They got Cowboys on Sunday Night Football.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. If they're going to lose another game, it's going to be against Dallas because Dallas is hot and they don't lose at home lately. So that's a game that I could very i could very much see them um them losing as well after that it gets softer they have the seahawks giants cardinals and then giants again so if they're gonna lose another one here it is um and if they could still make another run because they lost to him last year and they ended up back in the Superbowl. So I think there'll be all right.

Yeah. All right. We're going to move on. So on Monday night football, you, the Bengals without Joe Burrow are still in the playoff hunt at seven and six. If you can believe it.

That's next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. And the pass is no sign yet. Hamilton comes down with a football. They're saying it's a catch. It's in. Oh! Takes! Sideline! Touchdown!

Unbelievable! Slings it way down the field to Watkins! Sammy Watkins for the touchdown! Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski Podcast by Power 88 and Seeker Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, and Chris Kostic. All right. Monday Night Football was a classic. It was an incredible game. Went to overtime, game-winning field goal, all of that. The Bengals beating the Jacksonville Jaguars. Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence were going at it. Did I say Joe Burrow

and Trevor Lawrence? Yeah. It wasn't them. It was their backups going back and forth. So CJ Bethard for the Jacksonville Jaguars and Jake Browning for the Cincinnati Bengals Browning through four 30, 334 yards and a touchdown. Um, and Trevor Lawrence did play for most of the game. He threw for, uh, two touchdowns, 258 yards. Uh, Beathard went, went nine for 10 for 63. Um, but guys, this has been an unbelievable year where, uh, players are just getting hurt left and right, particularly quarterbacks. Let me go through the list real quick. Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson, Kirk Cousins, Anthony Richardson, Trevor Lawrence now, Daniel Jones, Ryan Tannehill.

All starting quarterbacks going into this season, and now they are gone. That is eight, which makes up a quarter of the league's starting quarterbacks by the way never mind the starting quarterbacks just a lot of players in general getting hurt it's just a weird year for the nfl yeah it has i I mean, I there's always been injuries that have been involved to some extent, but I don't remember it being like this where there's quarterbacks getting hurt every week, it seems. And I don't know what to blame it on, because this week, Trevor Lawrence, I mean, he just had his ankle stepped on. You can't blame it on the turf. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you really can't blame that on the turf. Oh, and Lord knows people will try. But anyway, the thing is with the, let's just pivot over to, for me,

you know, the Bengals Jags game, right? I just, I don't know i i genuinely don't know how to react because i feel like this is something we may have you guys may have expressed why i wasn't on the show but when you look at the jacksonville jaguars they're they're good don't don't get me wrong you know they're first in the AFC South. They're now eight and four. But I feel like Brecker might be a little deceiving.

They're a very underwhelming eight and four. Because, I mean, off camera, we spoke about this quite a bit, about how this Jaguars team that has Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne, Christian Kirk, Calvin Ridley, and Evan Ingram feels kind of sluggish. It's like they're not blowing teams out the way they should on paper. And I don't know why, but let's just take a quick look. So you narrowly beat the Texans, who, I mean, they're good, but still, they have a rookie in CJ Stravich who only beat by three. You lost to the Bengals, who were

starting, what's his name, that Browning were starting what's his name that browning guy what's his name again jake browning yeah jake browning yeah you lost to them you know you beat the titans but you know they're the titans you get violated by the san francisco 49ers you can only beat the lowly steelers by 10 you You can only beat the lowly Saints by seven. That's their last six games. What is going on? Like, I mean, they're winning, but they're not convincing wins. And with Lawrence out, what did they say, high ankle sprain?

Yeah, as of three hours ago, just a high ankle sprain. Wouldn't put a timetable on Lawrence's recovery, but didn't rule him out for this week and it's not season ending well yeah i mean i'd say at least he's going to be out the next game and the body christian sprang he's going to be out for at least christian kirk is basically done for the season oh yeah oh yeah let's talk about that that's even worse and now that christian is gone no hear me out teams can now just double team calvin ridley to their heart's content and unless evan ingram or whoever the hell else they have feels the need to step up i'm not gonna make any grand predictions

but even though you're eight and four, Indy and Houston are both seven and five. Yeah. Jaguars are in trouble. It's probably the best way to say it. I, I guess, um, Trevor Lawrence, even if he misses a couple of weeks, you got to imagine, he's going to end up coming back too early. So then they can make this last push for the playoffs. It's week 14. You know,

we already got teams that are starting to clinch the playoff spot now. Right? So Jaguars, if it really gets down to it, they might end, they might end up putting Trevor Lawrence back into soon, which could really hurt them on top of that. Christian Kirk's done for the year.

Although if they make the Superbowl, he'll be available for it. But it's not going to matter because they're not going to make the Super Bowl. And on the Cincy side, Jake Browning, Washington legend. He's a Husky. Remember that one. Only five incomplete passes on 37 pass attempts. That's impressive. Impressive.

354 yards on what? His third start? Unreal. Joe Mixon came alive. Two touchdowns. Jamar Chase, 11 catches on 12 targets. Almost 150 yards. Bengals got themselves back into the playoff race, basically.

They're back in the hunt. And someone's got to get that six or seven seed. Someone's got to get it. And it might just be Jake Browning and the Cincinnati Bengals. Not saying that's going to happen, but someone's got to get that six or seven seed. All right. not saying that's going to happen but someone's got to get that six or seven seed all right look they are mathematically still in it but who do i feel has more of a chance to get those six and seven seeds uh i think denver has a lot of good momentum and they have good talent and they still have a healthy starting quarterback.

C.J. Stroud and company, they're 7-5. Gardner, Minshew, and Co., I don't believe in them too much. Cleveland has a ferocious defense, but forget about it with DTR and P.J. Walker. And I honestly give Buffalo a little bit of a better shot they have their starting quarterback that offense has come alive since they fired ken dorsey surprisingly i'm just i'm like it's just i want to believe in the bengals but you just can't that like they're not even if they do make playoffs, they're not going to do anything in it.

All of their Super Bowl hopes hinged upon Joe Burrow's health, and now he's gone. I mean, they're basically punting until next year. The locker room may have some energy, but the front office knows damn well where this team's going. Well, yeah, obviously. But it doesn't mean the team still can't play at 100% and make that run. They can make the run.

Teams play to win. Organizations don't give a crap. You're right. They're going to try because it's football. They carry that us-against-them mentality. But they're not going anywhere. They're just not. The way the AFC is, though, someone's got to get that last seed.

The last seed, maybe. But then what about when they get there? Who cares? Someone's going to have to get it. They're not making a run in the playoffs, but, you know, you made the playoffs. Houston could get it. Denver could get it. Houston could get it.

Houston could also win the division. They could. At this point, maybe, because now Trevor Lawrence is out with a high ankle sprain. I think we are over, I think we are over underestimating just how bad high ankle sprains can be. Yeah. Especially with, I mean, underestimating just how bad high ankle sprains can be yeah especially with i mean it's not often

where you see a player like patrick mahomes coming back from a high ankle sprain and it's it's just 90 i definitely i'm telling you that was such a misdiagnosis it was obviously a low ankle sprain such a misdiagnosis there because if you have a high ankle sprain, those you don't come back from for a few weeks, at least a few, it could be seven. So, uh, yeah, you might be right. Houston might be taking this division now a week after we thought that they had it locked up. The unthinkable happens. They lose Trevor Lawrence, their star quarterback.

It really stinks. I can't stand injuries. But I'm just saying, the way it goes with backup quarterbacks, unless your name is Nick Foles in specifically the year 2017, in the month of January, it doesn't work out that way. It just doesn't. All right. I think we've covered this quite enough.

I want to move on to the Packers, who with their starting quarterback, are now starting to look like the Packers of old with Aaron Rodgers. We'll get into that next and what it means about the Packers for this season, but also the future for this organization. That's next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football and they're saying it's a catch.

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All right, we have reached the Sunday night football portion of this show between the Packers who are visiting Kansas City Chiefs. Rather, other way around. Chiefs were visiting the Packers. Yeah. Packers pull off the upset 27-19. They were home underdogs in this matchup. And Jordan Love, don't look now.

This guy is having statistically, on pace, statistically a better season than Aaron Rodgers in his first year starting in the league. And not only that, statistically, that's one thing. On top of that, this team is competitive. They are 6-6, and their remaining schedule is an absolute joke. They have the Giants next, then the Buccaneers, then the Panthers, then the Vikings, and then the Bears. That is an absolute joke of a schedule, and this team could very easily finish 11-6. And don't look now. They're doing it without

an offensive line, but don't look now. It looks like they have found their third straight franchise quarterback, back to back to back, going all the way back to the early 90s on Kansas City's side we'll get to that in a minute but I wanted to touch on the Packers first what do you guys think yeah I mean this this Packers team is hot they've won four of the last five now I mean and this is the thing like Jordan Love, there's now three straight games without a turnover, back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. And let me remind you guys that this is also the fourth time this year already that Jordan Love has thrown for three touchdowns this season.

And in his last five games, almost 1,400 yards, averaging eight yards per reception, 11 touchdowns, two interceptions. And those two interceptions came against a very good Pittsburgh defense where they lost 23-19. Jordan Love could very well put the Packers in that 6 or 7 spot. Like I said with the AFC, someone's got to get that 6 or 7 spot. The Packers can do that. If Jordan Love can keep playing the way he's playing,

the defense is also playing a lot better than what they used to play when they had Rodgers at the helm. Packers can definitely get the – they're getting the wheels going. And with the schedule that he put out, Adam, they can make themselves an 11th and 6th team. I'd say more 10-7, if anything, at the high end. But someone's got to get that 6th, 7th seed, man. I think the Packers can do it. They already have it right now, actually. I forgot to get that six, seven seed, man. I think the Packers can do it. They already have it right now, actually.

I forgot to mention that. Well, there you go. I think that they'll sit there. I think that they'll just sit there. Nice and pretty. Well, let's gain some ground. How about the six seed? They're percentage points away from the Vikings.

Yeah, and they're going to pass the Vikings. The Vikings aren't going to last very long. I don't think they are either because I don't think Josh Dobbs was the answer the entire time. Nah, I mean, Josh Dobbs is a great feel-good story, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day, he's not the answer. We've mentioned numerous times that these backup quarterbacks, like that Nick Foles miracle run, or once in a blue moon,

you get someone like Tom Brady, then no. Nine times out of ten, backups are backups for a reason. And when we look at the Green Bay Packers, think about who else that they've beaten. They're on a three-game win streak you know so they just beat the chiefs before that they march into detroit and beat the lions on thanksgiving where you know the lions who i believe are currently leading that division and then before that you beat the packers who record wise aren't great but they're i'd say bigger than the sum of their parts but but you know you kept just kept Justin Herbert and company to 20 points.

You know, that's nothing to sneeze at. So they're not terrible, obviously. And, you know, I guess you could say that the Chiefs-Packers game, even though you kind of just outlasted Kansas City, it was a bit of a statement win. So at the end of the day day if you're the Packers and you look at your paper soft schedule you should be fine as long as you know you don't fall into any of those trap games which let's face it we're sports fans you know trap games are a real thing

and oh man they were paying when they happened but Green Bay you could get the sixth seed. The ball is in your court. And if you fall apart, then Jordan Love might not be the answer. But if you get in, if they get into the playoffs, I fully think there's an outside chance they could make some noise because we all know the top dogs are philly and the niners and the lions and you know the falcons if you can believe it but but i mean look at who's else competing for the wild card you have the dallas cowboys the la rams seahawks minnesota vikings

so when you look at the packers i just want to look at them and say, why not them? I mean, I'd say they're better than most of the teams I mentioned. Well, obviously, except for Dallas. I'd say they're better than the Rams. They're like a little better. They already beat the Rams five games ago, CJ. They are. Yeah.

I mean, a little better. I mean, just on paper, the Rams, I feel like the Rams have like, the Rams are top heavy. They have a little more talent. I'm just talking about on paper. Calm down. Pack feel like the Rams have like, the Rams are top heavy and they have a little more talent. I'm just talking about on paper, calm down. Packers are obviously better than the Vikings. I'd give them the edge over Seattle.

And they're better than anyone in the abysmal, just dumpster fire that we could call the NFC South. So for the Packers, once again, why not? Just avoid the trap games. Just playing on your plane just literally just stay the course and you should be fine yep yep but oh god if you never gonna let you hear the end of it i second that i second that cj why not the pack yeah yeah why not them yeah yeah why can't the cheese be just another type of cheese i don't like swiss cheese more of a cheddar guy that's because you haven't had it the right way i've decided what well what's the right way i don't know melted on a cuban you're welcome oh that's an idea cheese melted is the only way i can't the only cheese i can eat alone is american cheese

anything else cultured you are um you know i mean we're not going to debate this cheese because you know what you can have like alone i mean like just eating a slice you can't just eat a slice of cheddar cheese i can't do that we should but on a burger back on topic because you know this isn't a packers podcast yeah yeah cheese i did a fun yeah but they have it's a block of swiss cheese it's like i don't know well like i mean if it's just a block of cheddar cheese it's just a big yellow square so i kind of understand i get it all right next we have trivia and then week 13 top three bottom three all by chris kostich our special co-host this is next you're gonna call me a special guest weren't you no unreal force of habit oh he's special all right force of habit you were you were a guest on our show like yeah yeah go to break yeah go to break

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have use a muscle memory or speech memory, whatever it's called. Nah, here's the thing. This is the first time that's ever happened in the, what is it, December? The three months that I've been here. That's the first time. That's impressive. I appreciate it. This is only the first time.

Thank you. I appreciate it. It's all tablet. You'll be fine. I'll work on it for real, though. Yeah, one slip-up. All right. Take us away with your trivia.

Fewest points allowed since week nine. CJ, since you're returning, I'll let you go first. So it's scoring defenses, right? Basically, fewest points allowed since week nine? Yep. Well, I would assume New England's up there. Yeah. 46 points allowed.

They have allowed the fewest amount of points since week nine. And they're 0-4. And not one win. Jesus. And they've lost all four games. They are. Hold on, Adam. hold on Adam they the Patriots are the first team since 1938 to allow 10 or fewer points in three straight games and lose all three of them that's just horrifying 1938 FDR was in office

oh my god Adam your guess was the 49ers, their second at 49. Yep. 49. How about that? 49ers score 49 points. That is really something. And also being one of the best teams in all of football, but we won't hold that against the Patriots.

49ers are 4-0 since week nine. CJ, your turn. There's a few I'm debating. I might go out on a bit of a limb here, perhaps, and say maybe the Texans, perhaps? I don't know. Not the Texans. Ah, well, that hurts. Okay.

Okay, okay, okay. The Eagles have gotten into a couple shootouts. I won't go with them. How about the Chiefs? I think the Chiefs have had one of the better scoring defenses in football. Chiefs are a top five defense in football, but they are not top five in the fewest points allowed since week nine. Damn, I literally saw this post.

CJ, your turn. San Fran's been on a bit of a hot streak. What about them? Adam already guessed them. Oh, sorry. I'm not guessed them. Oh, sorry. I'm not paying attention. I'm sorry. I'll forgive myself.

Yeah, you better. Well, all right. The Jets? Not the Jets. That's honestly not a bad guess, though. It's not a terrible guess. I hear Adam typing in the background. I swear to God, Adam, if you're looking up these answers,

I am going to come down to your hometown and whoop your ass. I know where you live, buddy. I hate that you know where I live. And you can legitimately say you know where I live. Yeah. As a legitimate threat. I'll just lock my doors and let the dog out. I'll probably show you a where I live. Yeah. As a legitimate threat. I'll just lock my doors and let the dog out. I'll probably show you a toy and wiggle.

Alright. I'm going to go with because the Chargers are always involved in some of the weirdest stat anomalies of all time. I'm going to mention them. You're going to go with the Chargers? Yes. No. No. The're going to go with the Chargers? Yes. No.

No. The Chargers are one of the worst defenses in the league. CJ, your turn. Could it be? I don't know. Screw it. The Bills. Not the Bills.

Give me Dallas. Not Dallas. Miami's defense has been good i'll give you a hint last three what i said uh before you give the hint miami yep miami they've allowed 62 points since week nine their record three and one so it's currently two to one Steelers. What Steelers now? Did I say that? I say, uh, okay.

Okay. Uh, no, can't be them. Oh, I'm trying to, I'm really trying to rack my brain here. Could it,

uh, well, that game would. No. Indy? Indy is correct. CJ with the win again. Adam continues to stink at trivia. Colts 67 points allowed since week nine.

They are 4-0. Colts, 67 points allowed since week nine. They are 4-0. Colts, extremely underrated defense. That is going to be the lesson learned from this trivia is that the Colts have an extremely underrated defense. And the fact that you said that the Colts weren't going to make a wild card spot, someone's got to get that 6 or 7 spot, Adam. And I think the Colts also have a great chance at that. They could. They could.

It would be easier if they had Anthony Richardson. It would be. And Shaq Leonard. Maybe I just have something against career backups. And maybe I just hold that grudge because Nick Foles lit up the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Well, Gardner Minshew is a dog. So

he alright. I don't know. Everybody thought he was good that one time. Well, Gardner Minshew is a dog, so he all right. I don't know. Everybody thought he was good that one time. It's like, oh, funny mustache. Oh, boy. Yeah. All right, Chris, take it away with your top three, bottom three. Let's hear it.

Week 13, top three, bottom three, 49ers. Talk their shit. Let their nuts drag. That's... Jesus. It's supposed to be a family show. Whatever. Bengals. They kept themselves in the hunt.

And Browning with a career game. Said this earlier. Maybe they get that six or seven spot. Or the five spot. Anything could happen, man. And the Packers. Jordan Love is playing like a top five QB right now. Three-game winning streak, one for the last five.

I'm not saying he's a top five QB, but he's playing like one right now. He's not a top five QB. He's playing like one right now, though. Aaron Rodgers, baby. Rodgers! I just wish that that I just wish that meme hit that should have that thing should have blown up I blame the Instagram algorithm yeah it sucks you already know how I feel about it yes so so what are you guys opinions on the top three or do you not have any opinions and just go straight to the bottom three? That one.

I will go to the bottom three. I was going to say something. Say something then. All right, listen. The Bengals, they surprised me and uh i they have a good team around them to the point where a career backup could play very well um so yeah either way good win for them but the packers this wasn't just a win for this week this is a win for their next 20 years. They found their next guy.

I firmly believe they found their next guy. And the Packers can't keep getting away with this with the way they mistreat all of their quarterbacks. And I'm very excited for their one ring in that next span of 20 years. So that's going to be fun. But either way, they found their next years. So that's going to be fun. But either way, they found their next guy. So they're going to be in some conference championships. They might make a few Super Bowls. They may mess around and win one.

But this is huge for their franchise. Anything you want to add, CJ? I'm assuming not. No, no. I mean, so far, so good. Bottom three. First time that we've had a top three, bottom three, where two teams from the same game made it to the bottom three.

I can only guess. You stole my line there from the group chat. Yeah, I did. From the group chat, but whatever. Never in Fumble Rooski history has this ever happened. Yep. Patriots and Chargers. We'll start with the Patriots.

Officially, I think this is officially rock bottom. They literally couldn't move the ball on one of the worst defenses in the league. But I think the big thing to take away is that this Patriots defense is one of the more underrated defenses in the league. Granted, they have played some pretty crappy teams, but they're at least keeping the Pats in the game. The defense is at least keeping themselves in the game. The Chargers, they just took part in one of the worst games of all time brandon staley

needs to get fired like now i can't believe he hasn't been fired yet that defense is so awful and i mean congrats you let up zero points to the patriots who have the worst offense in the league but you probably also shouldn't have only won 6-0. Granted, the weather was really bad. And I was at this game too. So even more reason to get these two teams on the bottom three. The only reason I tuned into this game was because I am rooting for a top pick in this draft. My rooting interest is the opposite of what most sports fans want.

Actually, another reason for the Chargers to be on the bottom three is that I didn't even care that the Pats sucked. I was happy to go see Justin Herbert, Eckler, Keenan Allen. They didn't do jack squat. I had Justin Herbert in fantasy. They belong here. I just, I sat in the cold rain for nothing for diddly squat. Uh,

last team jets should have just stayed with Zach Wilson, no matter what way you look at it, they should have just stuck with Zach Wilson. And now you've got the reports coming out that Zach Wilson doesn't want to go on the field, which I don't blame him. I wouldn't want to play for a guy that doesn't believe in me. That hates me. Robert Sala hates Zach Wilson.

Robert Sala should get fired. Whoa. Yep. I don't know, man. That might be taking it. I mean, I am far from a Jets apologist, but I'm a bit of a solid guy. I used to be a solid guy, but no. Honestly, I'm not a big Zach Wilson guy.

I just don't like Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson was a mistake. He was never going to be good. Let's be honest. Let's take the truth. But damn. Do you really think that Tim Boyle and Charles Sinian are the answer? They're worse than Zach Wilson.

You know what? This is all because Rodgers went down. Let's be honest. It is. As much as I hate the Jets, as much as I hate Aaron Rodgers, this is literally it. So I don't know. Zach Wilson is, I don't know, call him Biden because it's Jover.

It is Jover. The craziest gives you your best chance to win with rogers out the craziest part about this is that robert sala wants the craziest part about this whole thing is that robert sala wants to put zach wilson back in but according to reports he doesn't even want to exactly like come back in because he gets so much verbal abuse from the media well you're in new york that's too bad i'm sorry the number one thing as an athlete the number one cardinal sin is listening to the haters listening to the media in nba terms ben simmons was a prime example of that in philly just to jump off topic that's how it is i agree you never do that and look and i know new york media is

somehow even more ruthless than boston media i think we're agreeing a lot more than you think cj i forgive you but can i please finish making my point oh yeah sure thank you listen and it just goes back to one of zach wilson's wilson's weaknesses believe it or not, there are very few. Just the ones that he has are the ones that make or break his whole career. Let's not forget the Jets O-line sucks. This guy has some incredible abilities, something that we saw early in the season in that game against Kansas City.

He went toe-to-toe with Aaron Rodgers and actually did well, which shows how much potential he has. Only problem is he's an idiot. Kansas City. He went toe-to-toe with Aaron Rodgers and actually did well, which shows how much potential he has. Only problem is he's an idiot. He's an idiot, he's stupid, and he's mentally weak. Remember last year? I forget which game that he was playing in. It was the post-game press conference, and one of the reporters asked if he takes responsibility for the loss. After throwing like two picks, he said, no, no, I don't. Mentally weak. You can't take responsibility for your team. That's a bit of a problem.

I'm going to pump the brakes on you there, Adam. He's a much different person this year. He has taken a lot of blame this year. If you actually watch those press conferences, he is a lot different player than he was last year. Not saying that he didn't say those things, but now that

he's actually taking the blame for the offensive struggles this year compared to last year. Okay. Sure. He actually has to an extent but he's either way the point is that he has he said it doesn't matter that he has if he's still literally because of the blame there shouldn't be any blame to take cool take because if he was good that he wouldn't be in the situation cool now he's taking the blame and he doesn't want to go back in

so like that that's in. So that's, I feel like that's just as bad. Like your boss wants, your boss needs help. Like, damn, that's crazy. Good luck though. You're a professional athlete.

You are the number one, number two, overall pick by your team. You are playing out. You are living out your dream. Apparently you don't want to go out there because things are getting hard. That's not a good look for you. No. no and what what even is the rest of their schedule let me what are the games that they need them to put against the texans okay against the dolphins okay the commanders you're telling the number two overall pick can't beat the commanders

the browns without with whoever the hell they have a quarter at starting quarterback the patriots who can't who can't even score right now just say about three ones like if you were the number two overall pick you shouldn't be afraid of any of these teams you shouldn't. CJ Stroud was the number two overall pick. He's doing pretty well. Now, I will say Robert Sala did go on a press conference yesterday, immediately after those claims were made, and said that he had a long talk with Zach Wilson.

That's also the other thing, too, is that if Zach Wilson didn't want to go out and play for the Jets, he wouldn't be on the Jets now he'd be somewhere else he would have been gone five weeks ago six weeks ago or even released it all together yeah yeah maybe all right well All right. Well, just, I guess putrid the play around the league has gotten. It really is that bad. And I did have a thought, but I completely forgot it in the rant, in the absolute battle that we just had about Jets quarterback Zach Wilson. So we'll just move on.

Let's just go to the fan box. All right. Fumble Rooski fan box. We post a question filter on our Instagram every Monday, and you can respond with hot takes questions and more, and we will discuss it and give you a shout out on our podcast respond to next week's fan box question to be featured on our show all right so getting into these responses um here we go and we are going to lead off with patrick williver and he said Patrick Williver

and Marcus oh okay so you put both they both said and Marcus Morales said Dak Prescott and I gotta say he's putting up the numbers

and the team's winning and i am glad this is this wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for him to win because it's not only a quarterback driven award which this wouldn't solve that issue i'll tell you what issue it will solve which is that recently the team with the number one seed with one of the top seeds is always the team that gets the league MVP. This breaks that narrative because they're a wildcard team right now. And it hasn't happened often if you think about it. I think the last time that it happened where a team that wasn't a number one seed had an MVP, it was Matt Ryan in 2016.

Before that, it was Adrian Peterson in 2012. Then that's it. I'm pretty sure the next one is in 2000. Steve McNair and Payne Manning were co-MVPs. Back in 2002. 2003. 2003. Either way, co-MVPs. Back in 2002. 2003. 2003. Either way, co-MVP is stupid.

Three times. Sorry. That's three times in the last quarter century. Sorry, I just wanted to watch my house. Can we even count the co-MVP? It's so stupid. It really is. It's not.

It literally is. Then why haven't we done it since? Steve McNair's name right now. No. What? I like him, but no, no. It's not even a Steve McNair thing. I actually like him.

I just think Co-MVP is stupid. For example, can you imagine if the United States elected a co-president? No, you wouldn't because that would be stupid. All right. Let's move on. Conrad Sperry said Jalen Hurts. No. I don't see it.

I like Hurts, but I don't see it. I'll put Dak Prescott over Jalen Hurts for MVP. Regrettably, yes. I'll argue for it since you guys don't see it because a lot of people do see it. The guy is having a pretty good season and this is what he's having a pretty good season. Is he having a Dak Prescott?

This is what you, this is what you get from a dual threat quarterback, a quarterback who doesn't, who doesn't inflate the passing statistics, but puts up a balance of a little bit of both. No, but his rushing touchdowns are, Christ, what was the word that you just used? Inflated.

His rushing touchdowns are inflated. Pretty much all of his rushing touchdowns are one-yard QB sneaks. Don't get me started. No, no, no. So what? It's still a rushing touchdown. Touchdown's a touchdown. Remember what Nick Sirianni said. It's still a rushing touchdown, but everybody would do it.

And he's done it nine times. Yes, you want it banned too, or what? I don't want it banned. What was that? No, I'm talking to Costas. So what? If you're going to take umbrage to it, why don't you say what you really think and say you want it bad?

I don't know what. I don't want it bad. I don't want it bad. I don't know what CJ is arguing. Then why are you whining about it? I think that's two different things. So what? So what if they're all one young rushing touchdowns?

The rushing touchdowns are. All right, then why isn't any other quarterback doing it? If it's just that easy to inflate. Let me give you a hot take. Because they can't do it as successful. Let me give you a hot take. The push is not an individual play. It is a team play, the ultimate team play, which is why I don't think that an individual or a team play

should go into so much – I mean, yeah, you can – that's a rushing touchdown for Jalen Hurts. I'm not taking that away from him, but when you look at most of those rushing touchdowns, they're on the push. Let me see the rushing touchdowns where he got from more than five

yards or more than one yard, five yards, ten yards. You don't think he's capable of it? No, I'm not saying that he's not capable of it. He just did it a couple weeks ago against Buffalo. I'm not saying he's not capable of it. He just did it a couple weeks ago against Buffalo. I'm not saying he's not capable of it. I'm saying that it's all washed out by these – you're not seeing him do it as –

I'm saying that most of his rushing touchdowns are mostly from the tush push. You haven't seen him much doing the shit that he did against Buffalo. It's part of my language. But you get what I'm... Like, what, that was once the first time for most of the year that he did that? I mean, I guess we're just going to disagree on this, but it's like, I mean, it doesn't matter if it inflates his stats.

It doesn't matter what you think, because it literally just will still go, you know, it will still just count as a rushing touchdown for him. And even if it wasn't a push push, he'd still be getting in. I'd wager 90% of the time. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Duke could squat 500. There's no doubting that. Right. Um, I'm just saying, I'm just saying like here, here's my argument. He's one. He's not only is he a dual threat quarterback, i would argue he's one of the best dual threat quarterbacks we've seen um and you can make an and i'm gonna piss off a lot of ravens fans you can make an argument even better than lamar jackson because i think i think jalen

hurts his passing ability is better than lamar jackson's i don't know where he is, but I know Tuck heard you and is cursing at the sky right now. Oh, man. I'm going to clip that and send it to the chat later. I'm clipping that. Okay. I think you can make a case because he actually legitimately wins in the postseason.

He wins in the regular season season and he hasn't really gotten hurt not not to the point where it where it hinders his abilities and we've we haven't really seen something like this where a rushing quarterback can actually win super bowls they had a chance uh well i mean i'll bring you he runs speed option he runs i guess but here's the thing ross is a smart scrambler he's not looking to rip for the touchdown every time he just gets the first down and then slides or ducks out of bounds that's why he's not an explosive runner but he is a runner i don't get me wrong yeah i guess you could especially earlier on in his career in 2013 that that'll. That'll be an exception.

No, no, Adam, I do agree with you, though. Scramble-first quarterbacks or quarterbacks that are known as true dual threats usually don't win the Super Bowl. And no, I don't count Patrick Mahomes as a dual threat. Debate a while. And there's a reason Russell Wilson has slowly over his career become more of a pocket passer. When he stands there,

he looks more like Peyton Manning than he does look like Russell Wilson right now. Well, yeah. And Mike Vick did the same thing. Randall Cunningham did the same thing. It's just a, it's what every mobile quarterback does. All right.

Should we move on? I feel like we should. All right. Yeah. Cause we have a couple of a couple more responses stephen parker said brock purdy or cmc and brock rock brock purdy is one of the leading candidates right now according to the the espn odds so this is what I was just saying about – yeah, I was just saying that earlier. And this is the conversation we're going to have now. So –

I don't know. There was someone else that said Brock – or, oh, that's the one that you just read. My bad. I thought you were looking at one of the guys that said Tyree Kill in CMC. Yeah, there was only one person who said Brock Purdy. But Christian McCaffrey, if there's going – this would be – there's no non-quarterback who's favored to win MVP this year.

But I feel like this would be the year we'd want that because I think all of the leaders right now are not – It should. All of the leaders right now are not that good. They're not having that great of seasons. I know Dak Prescott's having a very good year, but I think if you put him in any other season, he's not even close. And same thing with Dak Prescott. If Dak Prescott broke his numbers last year, then no.

Same thing with Purdy. He's having a very good year, but not that good. And also, I'm going to bring up his talent again. He has some unbelievable talents around him. All right. Owen Van Slak said McCaffrey or Hill, but unfortunately it is a quarterback award. Owen Van Slak is right. It should be named probably MVQB.

Let's keep it a buck. It is the Tom Brady MVP award. Literally, yeah. I understand why it's been predominantly a quarterback award, but it has gone way the hell in that one direction. But, I mean, it's a quarterback-driven league. On any of these contending teams if the quarterback gets hurt they're not only are their super bowl hopes dead their postseason hopes are almost gone like they may not win another game if that happens so like i understand why it is so

it's kind of just a tough situation to argue but i think there should be some years where we look at all of the quarterbacks and we say you know what let's go for tyreek hill who might just not only break 2k but destroy it by like 200 yards because every single week like i mean with the with the miami dolphins right now if you take. If you take Tyreek off this roster, then they're not nearly as good. Not nearly as good. Tua is a just okay quarterback if that happens. Tyreek is on pace to break the receiving yards record as well. That's what I'm saying.

He's going to crush it. Yeah. And he's not even getting MVP looks. Yeah. And same thing with Christian McCaffrey, who's having a very good year in his own right. Well, the thing with CMC, he scored a touchdown basically every single game.

You might as well just throw it at him at this rate. And you look at, you'll even look at the game this past week. He went off as well. Give me a sec. I pull it up. It was, oh my God.

I'm killing myself over here. McCaffrey, 17 carries, 93 yards. Throw in another touchdown. Tyree Kill, the problem that I have with Tyree Kill winning, I think he deserves MVP just as much as CMC. The problem is, if you didn't give Cooper Cup an MVP award when he broke the receiving yards record, why are you going to give it to Terry Kill? Because Hill's

probably going to eclipse 2000. And I've said this before, and I'll wrap up real quick. The only way a wide receiver can get MVP, because let's face it, it takes two to tango. You know, a quarterback's got to throw him the ball. Only way a wide receiver gets gets is A, he breaks a record, and B, he does it with multiple quarterbacks.

That one quarterback can't steal all the credit. That's the only way a wide receiver, even as a snowball's chance in hell, at winning MVP. And also, if that quarterback, if that quarterback, all of the production comes from that wide receiver, and he has like two, let's say the wide, the wide receiver has 2000 yards and 18 touchdowns, touchdown catches. And the quarterback has 2000 yards and 18 touchdown touchdown passes.

Then it could be something like that where he's just terrible without him and he's lost. But like, yeah, I get that argument as well. That's actually something I never thought about, but it makes a lot of sense because the wide receiver the the wide receiver gets the ball from the quarterback um all right next one ian mulhern gave a gave an interesting one it got a lot of attention a couple of weeks ago and i think it needs to be revisited

got to give it to stroud most consistent quarterback yeah but i mean he's a rookie and i'm not saying he shouldn't at least be in the conversation but they never give it to a rookie isn't it unbelievable how many guidelines there are that aren't guidelines but they're just there yeah no no i hear you i do but unfortunately that is like unironically how it is and i'm not saying that because my that's my opinion i'm saying it because it's the truth don't we miss the days of kickers winning mvp no that happened by the way that happened that was when they had the uh that was when they had like the nfl replacements or whatever that year well in 2019 when the team, I think it was either 2019 or 2020, the Patriots released their MVP of their team.

And it was Jake Bailey, which I could not agree with more because Jake Bailey was actually incredible. And those 2019 and 2020 teams were absolutely god-awful. Alright. Our last one. Isaac... Actually, we have two. Isaac Zonana... We only have one, actually.

Isaac Zonana said Tua or Tyreek. I'd rather Tyreek. Yeah uh i mean no i don't know remember what adam said about brock purdy if you believe what adam said then you can probably make that same argument towards tua i don't know who's making that noise but cut cut it out. It's me. Okay, cut it out. I will. But yeah, like I said, if you believe Adam about Purdy, then I think the same principle would apply to Tula.

Yeah. And we have one more. Benny Dolphin said Hill. Yeah, well, yeah, fair enough. Everyone said two different answers, which is kind of hard to go over. And we already made our argument for Tyreek. And I think if a wide receiver is going to win it, it should be this year. Now, like, Tua without Tyreek, we've seen him before Tyreek has joined the Dolphins. He was nothing to write home about.

Even as he had another wide receiver one at his disposal at in Jalen Waddle and now all of a sudden uh you add Tyreek and Tua looks like a pro bowler that I mean you can put two and two together there it's I think I think this would be the year a wide receiver should win league MVP. All right. Um, that's all the content we have. Do you guys have any other thoughts before we end the show tonight? Uh,

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