The Fumblerooski Podcast - How Did We Get Here? -Ep 334 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

In this Tuesday episode, we look at the offensive side of the football and compare position groups for both the Eagles and the Chiefs ahead of the Super Bowl. Cooper Kupp and Myles Garrett also end up on the trade block. Chris Costich and CJ Medeiros talk all of this along with an All-Time draft of the Chiefs and the Eagles. Tune in to see if we know ball!

Super Bowl Sunday is just around the corner as we continue our Super Bowl preview this time with our offensive position comparisons. This is the Baltimore Ruski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws back to back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.

This is the Paul Maruski Podcast powered by Power8018 Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Chris Kostich alongside me, CJ Med medeiros as we thank you for joining us for this tuesday edition of the fumble ruski podcast amongst the wild nba news of the luca donchik trade and speaking of trades cooper cup and miles garrett on the trade block um and this would probably be bigger news in the sports media world if the luca trade never happened but like i'm still thinking about the luca trade and this happened on like saturday night at midnight so it shows you where my head's at sometimes but cooper cup announced on social media saying he's up for trade and it's not him requesting for a trade he would have rather

uh retire as a ram and the rams to say you know what it's time to move on they got their guy puka so time to move on from the 30 year old wide receiver whereas miles garrett is requested a trade uh from the browns so he will end up getting shopped. Both are going to get shopped during the offseason. So it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out, especially for both sides. Garrett and Cup are both 30,

right? Yeah, Garrett's. Yeah, they are. I know who Garrett is. Yeah. Cup. I mean, look, you're not looking. If you're going to go for Cooper Cup or any team,

you could be the Patriots. You could even be the Chiefs. You're not looking for him to give you 10 years and be your franchise guy for the next 10 years, but you could look for him to be a good wide receiver one for the next four years, potentially. But recently, we've seen wide receivers, once they hit the age of 30, they start to fall off. Cup, I don't know if that's going to be the case for him.

The problem is that I think you're not going to get as good of value from Cooper Cup because of this most recent injury history he's had. Miles Garrett, he's still a force to be reckoned with so and it's going to be interesting to see how they play around him and i feel like he's also kind of in the same boat he's kind of had some injury history too especially this year right a little bit a little bit so be interesting to see how high uh picks certain teams try to go after these guys, especially for Myles Garrett. Like I said, he's still a massive force to be reckoned with,

regardless of the age. I think both guys are going to give you solid four extra years on a contract. I think Garrett still has two years left of his deal in cleveland as well i think um i could be very wrong i'm not looking at contracts right now um but regardless of what happens i think that these two guys will still make a difference for at least two years depending on what team they go to cj uh what are your thoughts first and foremost you addressed the lucca trade i just want to say to jerry jones congratulations you are no longer the most hated man in dallas so i had to get that jab in there yeah i think i think jerry jones is breathing a

sigh of relief right now i think everyone's thinking that that's for sure so the thing uh i'll address cooper cup first because the garrett situation is a little more multifaceted so for cooper cup i know he's 30 and look the injury history is there let's be honest ever since he got that yeah he got a triple crown right and then he just decided to live in the hospital ward of sofi stadium so the beauty of cooper cup is that he's not bad not by any stretch of the imagination he's still in many facets a wide receiver one but what i like about him is that he can fill different roles for example god, God forbid the Chiefs, because you mentioned them. The Chiefs, the Bills, the Ravens, he can go to a contender and be like the final piece, right?

Not the Chiefs need a final piece, but you know, he can go somewhere and he can be that piece, right? That one thing that might push you over the edge. Meanwhile, if you're a not-so-great team, for example, I think of the, but if you have a young quarterback, so like the New England Patriots, who've got a very raw but promising young'un in Drake May, or perhaps you're like the Tennessee Titans, who probably might go QB, Cam Waters, Shader Sanders, or someone like that, or heck, maybe the Falcons, who want to nurture Pennix a bit more. You can get him, and he can be like a good mentor wide receiver for your own quarterback.

The situations are different, but think of it kind of like 2019 larry fitzgerald with kyler murray right i mean fitzgerald obviously he's a career cardinal but he wasn't a top 10 receiver in the league anymore but he was a great guy to help kyler's development the only issue is kyler murray love call of duty just a bit too much yeah the thing is i think cooper cup has a home pretty much anywhere yeah garrett that's not the case he has one playoff win his entire career in cleveland and the thing is you can tell this isn't an easy decision for him he loves the browns he loves the organization he loves the fans he loves the community but at the end of the day, he's an athlete. And most athletes, at least ones that I've interacted with, like winning.

And Chris, you're a former quarterback. I imagine you prefer winning, correct? I do prefer winning. Winning's great. Yes. And that's the thing. Miles Garrett, you know, he could in ohio and literally just go from he might just go south could just go from cleveland to canton right because i believe

he's going to end up in the hall of fame he's already he's like on the fast track to it 100 and but it's just the postseason success hasn't been there. They had that fun little run with Baker Mayfield, but, you know. And then, it's just, it didn't have to be this way. The Browns forced him out, but more on that in a sec. So the thing is, Garrett, he's going to a contender. So think Detroit, think Kansas City, think Philly, think Buffalo, think Baltimore. And I've also heard a few people throw around the Commanders. Now, I guess what can you get for him is the main question.

Because for Cooper Cupp, not only is he 30 with an injury history, he's a bit pricey. So when you take that into consideration, if you're the Rams, I'm sorry if there are any Rams fans listening, but you don't really have leverage. Then again, this seems to be more of an easygoing, like less contentious situation that's going on in Cleveland. So, you know, I feel like they're just more concerned with doing right by Cooper, which I get. As for old Miles in Cleveland, though. Oh, yeah. Now, the Browns immediately came out and said, we have no intent to trade him. And as soon as I said that, I went to this group chat that I'm in with

all the Fumble Rooski crew, you know, them all, Adam, Chris, Tuck, and even Robert, who sometimes comes on. And I said, Oh boy, this is gonna get ugly. Isn't it? However, the masses have a different idea. The masses say, Oh, well, they're just trying to get leverage. Remember, the masses say, Russell Wilson got three first rounders. My counter argument is, okay, cool. He's a quarterback and it's more valuable. Well, remember when Khalil Mack got two first rounders? Well, Khalil Mack was still in his 20s. He was like 27, 28. So let's not sit here and pretend that Garrett isn't 30. And let's also not pretend that no matter their bluster, they're not in the driver's seat here.

Cleveland, you're going to take a late first rounder and you will like it. And that's if you're lucky. And also, I know they're saying they're trying to get more leverage, but ask yourself this, my fellow Americans. Is Cleveland really a team or a front office that you think can you know play the leverage game you know bluff their way into some firsts no i don't think they are and they ran him out let's be honest you had baker mayfield and instead you shipped him off for a Predator.

And the thing with Baker is, yes, yes, yes, I know he had a down year. That's what they all say. But he was playing through a shoulder tear for you, for you. And he would have been fine the next year. Like, he literally put his heart on the line, and you stomped on it. You know, he put everything on the the line put his body on the line put his heart and soul there and you just said eh now buddy you're going to carolina and like i said then you brought in a predator who literally pouted his way out of houston for a year and so

cleveland fans if you're upset don't be mad at garrett be mad at the organization and to the browns organization i say you deserve this you 100 deserve this and by the way chris i don't be mad at Garrett, be mad at the organization. And to the Browns organization, I say, you deserve this. You 100% deserve this. And by the way, Chris, I don't know if you saw, it's getting worse. Joel Petonio, your star guard, is considering retirement because he sees, if you've heard this one before, kids, another rebuild on the horizon. And he's like, oh no no no no i'm gonna

take my chances in retirement bye-bye so yeah cleveland it seems like we say this every year but the future is not very bright no not bright at all um yeah and miles garrett's gonna be a little bit tricky as well because so you're gonna have to pick him up for the rest of the two years you're gonna have to pay him 20 mil a year as well uh he signed a five-year rookie extension uh worth 125 mil so you're gonna have to pay him the rest the rest you're gonna have to pay about 25 mil per 20 to 25 mil per year on miles garrett Uh, if you do end up trading for them and that's going to be a question to see who's willing to pick up that contract or not. Um,

and even if they do, are they also willing to go up a first? I don't think these two constants can exist at once. Yeah. Garrett, Garrett, by the way, it's only 29.

Oh, so it'll be like 30 next year. Yeah. Garrett, by the way, is only 29. Oh. So it'll be like 30 next year. And also, head rushers tend to have a bit of a longer shelf life. Yeah. Especially when you look at Myles Garrett. It doesn't look like he's going to be slowing down anytime soon either. And if he does, which I doubt, it would have to come out of nowhere. Oh, yeah. Which I don't see.

He'd have to have a couple season-ending injuries for it not to be worth it. Yeah. And with Batonio possibly retiring and Garrett wanting out, maybe I'm just being an alarmist but part of me wonders do you think it can cause a ripple effect with some of the other good players you know like i mean granted he's been hurt but you know nick chubb yeah can't imagine wants to save whatever mileage he has left for a contender or Or what about Wyatt Teller or Denzel Ward? What do you think they're thinking?

Maybe, yeah. Warren Joku or anyone like that? Yeah, definitely. I think that that's going to have to depend on if these guys are going to be... Because Nick Chubb isn't getting any younger, and Lord knows how much life he has left in his in his legs at this point. I'm not sure how old and Joku is, but he's been in the league for a little bit now to be considered a veteran.

It's going to be interesting to see how some of these players try to play it out or or we're now in the case where more team where more players are trying to keep their or spend their career at one team now so i think all roads are very open at this rate but it will be interesting to see if how many players decide that they want out of cleveland at this point once again i wouldn't be shocked if this leads to some kind of domino effect. Potentially. But we won't know till maybe next year. And it's going to be interesting to see how the Cup and Garrett sweepstakes play out after the Super Bowl ends.

But we're going to take a quick break when we come back. Offensive comparisons between the Eagles and the Chiefs. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides.

This is the Bumble Rooster Podcast. Chris Kostich, CJ Medeiros. Time to get into our offensive position comparisons. CJ and Adam went through the defensive side of the football on Friday. Now we look at the offensive side of the football. And we

go to the heart of the offense, the O-line for each side. And right off the bat, I'm going to give it to philly on the edge here um look when you have guys like mylotta dickerson jergens beckton lane johnson like really the only piece that you really lost from last season was uh uh jason kelsey that's pretty that's still pretty damn good and consider one of the best old lines in the league and that's not even to shit on guys like joe tooney or crete humphrey mike caliendo like kansas city still has a pretty good old line but i don't think it like obviously you can compare it to Phillies, but I still think that Phillies O-line is much better than what KC has to offer. But both lines are considerably good enough to give defensive linemen a headache to try to get to the quarterback or the running back for that matter.

For me, I'm also going with Philly. And I know technically the Chiefs had like a better, higher PFF grade throughout the year. However, that's PFF and their grading system is ridiculous as i think most fans agree so the thing is right you don't have jason kelsey anymore if you're philly but you still have cam jergens and i think he's a darn good replacement the only thing that scares me is that he's hurt i think he's got a back injury but he's expected to be back for the super bowl that's huge jergens and dickerson were both hurt for that nfc championship game actually i've heard dickinson's going to be back for the Super Bowl. That's huge. Jurgens and Dickerson were both hurt for that NFC Championship game, actually. I've heard Dickinson's going to be back.

Jurgens, we don't necessarily know yet. But I would imagine they're going to play. Yeah. Then Kansas City. Well, technically, they performed a little bit better throughout the year, once again, according to those losers at PFF. I am concerned for one reason. Chris, you obviously know the most important position on the offensive line

is the tackle. Left tackle, I meant i meant yes thank you uh your left tackle is joe tooney who's a guard and everyone's like oh he played well in the afc championship game no he didn't no he did not he was the second weakest part of that O-line, you know, behind Mike Caliendo, who I don't hate. I think he's good. It's just, you know. The thing is, the strength of the Chiefs came from the interior, right? And Tooney now has to play tackle because Sue Mattia is too young and raw.

Pause. is too young and raw pause uh yeah that other one dj humphries has been a shell of himself so i don't necessarily i mean once again like it's really interior for that uh for the cheese so i don't necessarily believe that's gonna help them in like any facet, so I've got to go with Philly just because of that. Because Philly's about to get healthy. Unless Joe Tooney for one game can put up an Anthony Munoz performance, then I'm still going with Philly.

Anthony Munoz. Nice pull. Appreciate it. Best left tackle of all time. Come on, man. Yeah, come on. Don't play with me! Tight ends. I feel like this could potentially be a toss-up. If you're not convinced by Travis Kelsey, I like Noah Gray a lot on the Kansas City side.

Dallas Goddard, you don't need to say much about him. He's an absolute dog. I'm a little bit – I don't know how much I'm really sold on Calcaterra. I feel like he's a little weak when it comes to the run game in terms of blocking and and since we're going to talk about run game Travis Kelsey is never out there for the run game

Noah Gray and Payton Hendershot are usually the guys that are out there for the run game. Noah Gray does it all. And obviously Kansas City sent him a three-year contract, basically telling us he's going to be taken over for Kelsey once he retires, whenever that is.

It could be this year based off of my prediction and what I've seen from Jason. I don't know. I'm going to give the slightest of slightest edges to Kansas City because Travis Kelsey still shows up for the big game. And I think when you don't have Travis Kelsey out there, you still have a lot of faith in Noah Gray. Whereas on the Eagles side, it's basically just Dallas Goddard

and you hope that Grant Calcaterra can hold up his end of the bargain. I'm just not completely sold on Calcaterra can't hold up his end of the bargain. I'm just not completely sold on Calcaterra at all. And that's basically it. Yeah, this is a strength in numbers kind of pick, shall we say. Yeah, yeah. Kelsey has a down year and he's still technically outproduced Goddard because Kelsey though he's old and inexplicably still gets left wide open which is where a bunch of his targets came because he's not really beating double teams as much as he used to but uh but either way but Goddard

you gotta think about it's like the third option depending on the day and even still i would take noah gray over uh grant calcaterra like 10 at 10 times so i don't think it's a massive difference but noah gray in and of himself is enough for me to take the chief's tight end room over phill. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm just biased for Noah Gray being a Lemster guy, Central Mass area guy, but like every time I feel

like every time I watch a Chiefs game, Noah Gray is out there making at least one big play, whether it be like a five yard game that gets them at least a yard or maybe a first down or something like that. Maybe he's in for a touchdown. I,

I, I just like no gray a lot. He's, he's fun to bet. Anytime touchdown on. Wouldn't be surprised if I bet anytime touchdown on him in the Superbowl here. Uh,

man, running backs, um, Eagles, Eagles, uh, Running backs Eagles Eagles And that's not a shot at Cream Hunter Isaiah Pacheco But like Literally just Saquon and himself

And you can also get Kenneth Gainwell for some solid carries As well regardless Who has the ball for philly they're running it behind what probably the best old line in the league saquon 2000 yard rusher um kansas like kareem hunt has did a solid job when isaiah pacheco is out samash perrine is solid for big time third downs pacheco he runs like a, like his life depends on it, which I love. Runs angry.

And, but I would take Saquon though, like you could take Samaj Perrine, Kareem Hunt, Isaiah Pacheco, all balled up into one, and I'd still take Saquon. Yeah. So this is kind of like an inverse of what Adam and I were debating the linebackers because I said, cause when we were comparing their linebacker rooms, I said, the Eagles got one guy at Zach bond. They used to have Nicoby Dean, but Nicoby Dean's not

going to play. I said, the chiefs have nobody as good as Zach Bond, but you could take Nick Bolton, Leo Chennault, Andrew Tranquil, and I think they're better than Bond. So when I say this is the opposite is that, like you said, you can take Pacheco, you can take Pirine, or Pirine or whatever it's pronounced. Sorry, Samaj, if you're hearing this my bad uh so you can take all that and you can take uh that Kareem Hunt and still I you can put you can make you can combine all their stats you can make them into one player and I would still rather Saquon yeah I mean leading rusher in the league, that in and of itself gives it to Philly. I bet you that I don't have the stats in front of me, but Saquon's yards and touchdowns probably are way more than what those three have combined.

No disrespect, but. I don't have the stats in front of me either, so I can't say definitively, but I would not be surprised yeah uh wide receivers hand up this is pretty fucking easy too it goes to the eagles i mean i i've said before that like you know the eagles when i when it comes to the eagles all really is is aj brown devonta smith and then after that like it's just a who's who of whoever like like they don't like after devonta smith there's really not much depth whereas for the chiefs like yeah they got hollywood brown back they have worthy who's making plays um you know if they had rashid rice not out for the season with an acl tear would probably be a little different but then you got guys like freaking juju

smith schuster and then deandre hopkins who's losing snaps to juju smith schuster and it's just out there running routes and just playing with his cock at this point. Um, D hop is not the same D hop when he was 24. That's for certain. Um, Juju Smith Schuster is not the same receiver as he was when he was a rookie with Pittsburgh and AJ Brown and Devonta Smith are light years better than Hollywood Brown and Xavier worthy.

Um, and it, it's kind of better than Hollywood Brown and Xavier worthy. Um, and it, it's kind of the same thing with the Saquon argument, right? Like I would take AJ Brown and Devonta Smith over, uh, the four guys that I just named for Kansas city balled up into one. Exactly.

And I want to say one thing. Who do you think is Kansas city city's one because it literally depends game to game couldn't tell you yeah exactly so let's just say i've seen a lot of depth charts saying that it is uh the rookie xavier worthy let's just say it's him well all i'm gonna say is the the reason you know you gotta take philly here is if you put Xavier Worthy on Eagles, at best, he's wide receiver three. Yeah. And probably option number four behind Dallas Goddard. So that's, it's really easy.

Once again, you just, you got to give me Philly. They have, they, Philly, or I mean, Kansas City has a bunch of twos. Philly has two ones yeah like it like when you talk about the chiefs like obviously people talk about the patriots dynasty when you look at both dynasties like the chiefs in terms of the wide receiver core is basically we're it's basically like talking about what the patriots have for receivers for their Super Bowl runs. Especially like the first one. Yeah, especially the first one because they had freaking David Patton,

Troy Brown. Old Troy Brown. Don't forget that. Older Troy Brown. Well, he wasn't that old just yet. He didn't really start aging until after 04 or 03. He was like 30, wasn't he? Was he didn't really start aging until after oh four or three did he was like 30 wasn't he was he something like that yeah i know he was not a spring chicken that's not with respect to david brown patriots legend by the way we love david brown or david troy brown

troy brown good lord i have brought dishonor or david paton. David Gibbons wasn't on it. Yeah, Patton was there. Was Gibbons there yet or no? No, Gibbons didn't give it until like 2002 or 2003. And tight end Daniel Graham, remember him? Daniel Graham wasn't even on the team then.

If we're talking 2001, that was... No, no, it was... He was a big motherfucker too um it's blanking on me i'm gonna do a quick google search but yeah so my point is it's like perhaps the cupboard isn't as bare as it was for those patriots dynasties but the point we're trying to make is that he's still doing more with less and still pretty impressive yeah um they have rod rutledge as their tight end which definitely isn't right uh it was definitely someone else that was getting all the all the looks i know that much it was jermaine wiggins that's who i'm thinking oh oh it was wiggins yeah i thought jermaine Wiggins. That's who I'm thinking. Oh, oh, it was Wiggins.

Yeah. I thought Jermaine and I said, coming in, I don't know why, but yeah, Jermaine Wiggins. Yeah. But anyways,

like if you were to ball up a bunch of receivers that the Patriots faced in a lot of these Superbowls, you would take the lap, the receivers that the Patriots were facing. Like that Rams team, I would have, I would have taken Isaac Bruce and story hole, uh,

Troy Brown and David given or David Patton. I keep wanting St. Givens, but I would have taken those guys over the Patriots wide receiver room. I would have taken, uh, I would have maybe taken Steve Smith and, uh,

Moses Muhammad for the Panthers. I probably would have taken Terrell Owens on the Eagles. Yeah, we're like Dion Branch and those guys. Yeah. Yeah, that was during the Dion Branch era too, though. I got to take that. I mean, probably the only one, even though we're Pats fans and bias. Sorry, listeners.

The only one, the only room that I would, the only Super Bowl where I'd take New England's receiver room is probably Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. Patriots receiver room that year was pretty good. Brandon LaFell. LaFell, Edelman, Amendola.

That was a good receiver room. It really was. Last position comparison, quarterback. That's pretty easy. This might be the easiest one yeah my homes i mean like yeah i think if we're like obviously my homes can perform at the highest level uh game in and game out he's proven it game in and game out but jalen hurts has also proven he can also perform at a high level especially in the super bowl via three years ago uh two years ago pardon when they lost to the chiefs in the super bowl like jalen hurts went fucking off in that game granted it didn't amount to anything because

it was a loss but he still had a very good game um so it's i think it's just gonna be a matter of how the eagles end up playing this one out in the Superbowl, but it Mahomes is inevitable. I would, and he just like, it's not like Mahomes is doing a ton, like both, both quarterbacks aren't doing a ton, right? Especially this year. They're just doing, they're just doing enough they're making the right plays they're not trying to wow like with the cheat like both teams in terms of play calling is designed where they're not trying to go for the big shot unless the opportunity's there they're just going for what the defense is giving them at the time and then go for the shot or go for the big play.

Like they're just they're not trying to absolutely wow you with certain plays and whatnot. Yeah, that's the thing, especially Mahomes has been more of a game manager this year, and it's really been more of the chief system than mahomes but but either way just like on paper you'd still rather have mahomes i i would argue i saw a good take about this and it was uh remember when mel kuyper uh made that take that too high safety should be banned from the nfl uh yeah and he's still a moron so the reason for for that take is that uh you mentioned mahomes being more of a game manager this year right so yeah not usually but this year especially this year that that's more because total drives in games like total in-game drives, have gone down significantly since 2014, I think it was. And I think it's only like about 22 is the total amount of drives

for both teams combined. So you have less drives to work with now. And with that, less points are being scored. So we're seeing more games being decided by one score via the chiefs that seem basically every game that they're playing in is decided by one score besides a couple and that's because they're more or less just managing the clock game managing just trying to it's ball control. They're just playing ball control. Yeah. Yeah.

But yes, either way, it's still Casey. It's still my house. Yeah. It's still my homes. Obviously. Yeah. We're going to take a quick break.

When we come back special little segment for us, we're going to do an all time draft of the Eagles and the chiefs. This is going to be a fun one. I'm excited for this. That's next on the Full Maruski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns.

Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides this is the bumble ruski podcast by power 88 dean radio and secret weapon consulting chris kostich cj maderos as this last and final segment of the day we're going to be doing an eagles and chiefs all-time draft so the way that we're going to be doing this, it's going to be snake draft, and we're going to take one player in one position each turn. So if it was me, I would choose a quarterback for the Chiefs and a quarterback for the Eagles.

Or for CJ, it would be a wide receiver for the Chiefs or a wide receiver for the Eagles. So that's how it would go. All right, CJ, make your call. Heads or tails? Heads, in the words of Matthew Slater. Flip a coin. I'm asking Siri.

Heads. Woo-hoo! Matthew Slater never fails. All right, CJ, first fails. All right, CJ. First pick. All right, QB. Well, you can choose any position really, but I thought we're going to go in order

but whatever. Well, we can go in order. It doesn't matter. I would prefer that. It'd be easier for the audience to. All right, let's go in order then. So for quarterback, so I picked both right or just one. I thought we said we were going to do both. Okay, yeah. So for the all-time Chiefs team, QB's got to be Mahomes.

Look, I'm a big Len Dawson fan, but come on, Mahomes got more rings. He's already got more MVPs, so it's got to be Mahomes. And for Eagles, that's tough. But because Michael Vick was good, you know, Ron Jaworski, he was pretty solid. But I still think it's McNabb. And I know Nick Foles won a Super Bowl, but he really had that Linsanity run that kind of fell off. But McNabb, man, man, he was special.

For the Chiefs, I'm in between Len Dawson and maybe Alex Smith and Trent Green. Len Dawson has the Super Bowl. I actually took him to three back in the day when the Super Bowl was first new. Trent Green was a dog in the day when the Super Bowl was first new. Trent Green was a dog in the early 2000s. Alex Smith was really good. I don't know.

Well, for the Eagles, I'm actually going to go Randall Cunningham. Okay, fair, fair, fair. I'll go there. The Chiefs. I'm going to go Alex Smith. Fuck it. Yeah, I get more of a mind. You know what?

Fuck it. No. I'm going to go Len Dawson. I'll go Len Dawson. All right, all right. All right. All right. All right. Running backs. All right.

So, yeah, it's back to me, I guess. Or wouldn't it be back to me, actually? Oh, no, no. It is back to you. Sorry. There is no more reason for me getting confused than I am stupid, if you know me. All right. Running backs for the Eagles.

I feel like they got a history of good running backs, man. They really do. I know. I feel like that you have to go Saquon, but there's also Shady. There's also Brian Westbrook. The fuck? Well, for Chiefs, I i'm gonna go jamal charles uh priest holmes is also a great pick too but jamal charles was just such a dog that like it felt like he was rushing for at least he rushed for like 200 yards in a game like at least least once a season. So I'm going to go Jamal Charles for the chiefs and for the Eagles.

I'll just go say one. Yeah. Understandable. So for Philly, get out. I respect Brian Westbrook, but you gotta give me a little Sean McCoy, man.

Westbrook's more of a receiving back, but you want a man who can get it done on the ground, you go with LaShawn McCoy. And for the Chiefs, you know, the thing with KC is you could go with Jamal Charles, but I like Priest Holmes. To be fair, both of them were cut down by injuries way too soon, but man, Priest Holmes was putting the fear of God into people, so I'm going Priest Holmes. That guy is a little different. You really can't go wrong with either, honestly.

Alright, wide receivers? Alright, wide receivers. All right, wide receivers. First of all, for Philly, give me T.O. Look, the man played the Super Bowl on a broken leg. Yeah, come on now. Come on. He did give New England some grief, and I'll admit that. I am a Pats fan.

So, yeah, come on. We got to give him his flowers. And for the Chiefs, there's a few ways you could go. They don't have, like, the flashiest. And if you want to go at Flash, you could go at Tyreek. You could go at Dante Hall. But I'm going to make a deep poll here. What do you know about Otis Taylor? Otis Taylor. Oh, yeah.

Let me tell you something. This man, he was different. Yeah, he was. I personally think he's the best receiver that has ever suited up in KC. And don't get me wrong. he's an old head, right? But, oh, my God, from 65 to 75, this man, he put the league on notice. And this was, like, really before passing became, like, a really big thing. But, yeah.

I like it. I was thinking of going Chris Carter for the Eagles, but I was looking at his stats, and when you really think about Chris Carter, though, the problem with him is that he didn't really start blowing up until he went to the Vikings. True. So that's the other thing, I guess.

Are we picking them based off of career, or are we picking them based off of their time on the team, I guess? I don't know. Do whatever your heart tells you. I personally go with time on the team. Yeah, because if we were going career, then I would have picked Mike Vick over Randall Cunningham then. Yeah, but no, I feel like just time on the team

yeah so i'm gonna go away from chris carter but most yards he had in a season was what was it it was like he didn't break a thousand i think it was about 970 it seemed. In terms of wide receivers for the Eagles, who else do they have? I got to keep looking. Dude, you're missing a big one, man. I don't want to help you, but. No, I know. I know I'm missing. I could go Harold Carmichael.

Who else? Who else? Who else? No more? Yeah. Oh, there's also Deshaun Jackson. Yeah, I'm going to go Jackson on this one for the Eagles. Damn. Me personally, I would have gone with Carmichael, but all right.

Well, you're up for tight ends. I haven't given mine for my wide receiver for the chiefs yet um oh oh who was uh who was dante hall the human joystick fair fair i get that right yeah no no that's him It's just I've always viewed him more as like a Devin Hester type, but yeah. Yeah, honestly. I mean, like where he wasn't a bad receiver, it's just, you know. No, he wasn't. Or I could just go Tyreek. No, fuck it.

I just realized you didn't even pick Tyreek, so give me Tyreek. No, no. No, I went with those. Taylor, CI. Yeah, honestly. Yeah, give me Tyreek. All right. Tight ends Alright, tight ends. Eagles

tight ends. Well, for Chiefs tight ends, you could either go Travis Kelsey or Tony Gonzalez. And with Eagles tight ends, there's not a ton to pick from. Like, your best tight ends, there's not a ton to pick from. Like your best tight ends really that you're thinking of at this point is

Zacherts or Dallas Goddard. Actually, yeah, pretty much. That's pretty much. Yeah. So I think I'm going to go. It's actually got him a Super Bowl, so I'm going to go Zach Ertz. All right. KC, that's also a tough

one where you have two Hall of Famers. Hall of Famer, one future. Yeah. Give me Tony Gonzalez because he actually run blocks. Then I'll just take the leftovers there with Travis Kelsey and Dallas Goddard. Yeah.

Both very solid picks, though. I feel like those are four very good tight ends that you can't go wrong on. No, you can't. O-line. You're up cj so are we just so i i want to touch base on that again before i pick so is it just like one o-lineman yeah one o-line all right so the eagles i feel like have more plentiful linemen to choose from. There are definitely... I think it's a toss-up. You can go with Jason Kelsey or Jason Peters.

It's a battle of the Jasons. But... I'm going to have to go with Jason Kelsey. First team All- pro six times. And then Kansas City. There are a few linemen that you could go with, but I'm going with Hall of Famer Willie Rofe. That's incredible. incredible sorry i'm did i take one of yours i'm sorry no no no i'm i'm i forgot to

write down your first so for the eagles you said jason peters no jason kelsey jason kelsey yeah he had like like i said he had like six first teamteam all-pros. And for Casey, Hall of Famer Willie Rope. He was nasty the day, I tell you. Yeah. I'll take Jason Peters on the Eagles side. Fair enough. Can't go wrong with either. It's a coin flip.

No. I'm going to go Will Shields. Will Shields for the chiefs um yeah will shields hey understandable yeah now defense oh oh dt okay dt yeah i'm going i i i had it i i had it as dt first sorry all Sorry. All right. Cool, cool, cool. All good in the metaphorical hood. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You know it. You know it.

Defensive tackle. The only one that really comes to mind in terms of D tackle for the Eagles is Fletcher Cox. Yeah. So I think I'm going to go Fletcher Cox in terms of D tackle. um yeah so I think I'm going to go Fletcher Cox in terms of D tackle um the Chiefs

I feel like I have more of a history in terms of D line but the problem is that it's more edge rusher um but I'm going to go with an old one on the Chiefs and I'm going to go with an old one on the Chiefs, and I'm going to go Buck Buchanan.

Nice, nice. Great pull. Yes. What do you got? So who'd you go for Philly again? Fletcher Cox. All right. This is tough

for Philly because I feel like it's going to be the toughest. But they had this elite defensive tackle who was literally just on the fast track to go to Pro Football Hall of Fame

before he died. I don't care. This is out of respect. Ladies and gentlemen, but he played too short, though. He played 87. He only played for five years, though. That's God. Well, what did he do in those five years, though?

That's the thing. He was a beast though i tell you uh he was already a two-time pro bowler he was like one of the best run stuffers in the league i was thinking about defensive tackle jerome brown uh he he's a he's a scary man that's all that's what I'll go with there. But I'll circle back to that. For Kansas City, though, I'll go with another Hall of Famer. And now look, as much as I love Chris Jones, now look, I love Buck Buchanan.

Chris, you took mine. But there's another Hall of Famer, Curly Culp. He's literally, he's another Hall of Famer. And look, like I said, I love Chris Jones. No disrespect to Chris Jones. But, but, come on. A gold jacket trumps all. I don't know who said that, but whoever said it is probably very wise.

I actually don't know. Maybe someone did say that but uh for philly dt though that's that that's just another one where where it's just oh i might have to go with jerome brown just because like look i'm not gonna say sympathy but, that man was just a game wrecker in his five years in the league. Rest in peace. Yeah. It's not sympathy, though. That was a poor choice of words.

This guy, ooh, he was scary. Anyone will tell you. Wait, who'd you pick for the Eagles again? Jerome Brown. Jerome Brown. All right, give me your edge rushers. rushers all right philly low difficulty reggie white the man himself oh what a i say you want to talk about people that are just scary he's arguably the greatest eagle of all time. Yeah. And Kansas City

for edge rushers Derek Thomas. Once again, another Hall of Famer. Guy that just ran through defenses day in and day out. Not really hard. I just realized I put Reggie White in the chief spot for you

by accident. Ah yes, chiefs realize they put Reggie White in the chief spot for you by accident. Ah, yes. Chiefs legend Reggie White. Never forget. Chiefs legend Reggie White. Reggie White and I am going Derek Thomas for pass rushers. Just doesn't really have to be defensive ends, you know,

folks, for listening at home. Just pass rushers. Just doesn't really have to be defensive ends, you know, folks for listening at home, just pass rushers. Yeah. There's another edge rusher that I'm trying to think of that was in the mid 2010s. Or Casey. Yeah. I'm blanking on his name. Houston, perhaps.

Justin Houston. Yes. That's what I'm thinking of. I want to go Justin Houston on the edge. Makes sense. Eagles. The Eagles. Might be a little bit tougher here.

Not necessarily. Not necessarily, but could still be a little bit tough. Um, a lot of these were a lot of these. We were looking through as well. Cause we're not, you know, sometimes you gotta go deep in your bag.

You know, that's just how it is. Yeah. Um, right. I mean, it's just how it is. Yeah. Part of me wants to go Trent Cole. Alright. That's what I was thinking. Trent Cole.

Yeah, I'm just gonna go Trent Cole. Makes sense. He was a beast. Yeah. Second all-time in sacks. Mm-hmm. If I... Wait, did I read that right for philly i think second in franchise history in sacks yeah yeah linebacker uh give me norm van brocklin for the eagles i said the wrong name uh chuck benerick for the eagles uh van bro Brocklin sounds like

a linebacker name, though. It really does, but doesn't he have the most passing yards in a game or something like that? Yes, he does. Thank you, Madden. You learned me that. Literally. It's sad that Norm Van Brocklin

at this point is only known for some of our generation just for being at the top of passing yards in the game i mean what's up people at least uh um my other linebacker i'm gonna go with on uh casey because you can put them all there um another linebacker for casey i'll go uh bobby bell because he can put them all there. Another linebacker for KC, I'll go Bobby Bell.

Yeah, oh yeah, Bobby Bell, that's a pull, man. That is a pull. He was something else. But yeah, you took Bernardrick from me. Dang. He was another beast. Still other solid guys for linebackers for the eagles though yeah yeah no no they they've had a lot they had a lot maxie bond is one but he's another one that uh only played for like five years because you know they played harder back then. I mean, no offense to the guys that play now, but...

Yeah, no. But as for Kansas City, you know, you mentioned Bobby Bell. What? Oh. They've had some. They've had Derek Johnson, Cheryl Hedrick, Jim Lynch. But I'll have to go with Willie Lanier.

This man, I know he was a hard hitter. He was, he did everything you wanted. Oh, but as for Philly though, just, I'm thinking Bond, but I'm not Zach Bond. Different one. Actually, Holden, there's one escaping me. Yeah, Jeremiah Trotter. Now talk about a guy who could take your head off. Jeremiah Trotter, folks.

Jeremiah Trotter. All right, cornerbacks. Two more position groups to go. Oh, yeah. Corners. Now, Philly isn't necessarily known, I would argue, for their corners. You know, not by any stretch of the imagination. No.

But they've had some. You know, Troy Vinson was one. Eric Allen, of course, is one that I'm thinking of. But as a whole, once again, I just... You know, you could say Asante Samuel, but me? I had to stop and think, but I'm going Eric Allen. And by the way, can you give him his gold jacket already? He's, he's criminally underrated.

Wait, you said that? Wait, sorry. Eric Allen for which one? Corner. Eric Allen. For those of you who don't know, you you gotta look into him this man scary man uh corners the chiefs don't really have that many i I mean, you had Marcus Peters for a bit. Albert Lewis, Jim Marsalis was good.

But some people that are longer tenured, like Emmett Thomas, is one that I would consider. Now, for those of you who don't know, Emmitt Thomas, he was also a coach, but yeah, number 18 in red. Ooh, what a scary guy. By the way, for safeties, right? I kid you not. 58 interceptions, and at one point had 12 in a season.

Give me Emmitt Thomas at corner. For the Chiefs? For the Chiefs. One point ahead 12 in a season. Give me Emmett Thomas at corner. For the Chiefs? For the Chiefs. And I know they're not the sexiest names in the world, but come on. Yeah. They were those guys that would just put you out of your misery every game. Hard hitting. Fly around the field.

Ball hawks. Shut down one side. And that's what you want in a corner. For my corners, I'm going to go with Mr. Pick 6 himself. Asante Samuel for the Eagles. Might be a hot take, but I'm going with it. I love Asante Samuel.

And for the Chiefs, I'll just go Marcus Peters for the Chiefs. Showing my recency bias, but who cares? All those 70-year-olds are going to need their blood pressure meds after this one. Yeah, right. Safeties. Eagles, Brian Dawkins.

Easy. One of the hardest-hitting motherfuckers of all time. The Wolverine. I love watching his edits on YouTube and TikTok. They're absolutely disgusting. There was one highlight that sticks in my memory, and it was when Michael Vick threw Algie Crumpler a hospital pass and Brian Dawkins just stuck him. And then he later in the game, Mike Vick tried scrambling and Brian Dawkins laid him out at the goal line.

Yep, that was totally a flag today, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. Only if you hit like Mahomes or josh allen yeah seriously um the chiefs i feel like there's i feel like that there was solid safeties for the chiefs in the last 20 years that a lot are you kidding me yeah I'm like blanking on names right now, though. I know some. Come on. Yeah, do you?

Johnny Robinson, Kevin Ross, Darren Cherry, Gary Barbaro, Tyron Matthew, Eric Berry. Oh, yeah, the fucking Honey Badger. Forgot about him. He was really good. But do I want to go the Honey Badger? Yeah, you could. He got that nickname for a reason. Takes what he wants. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll keep it recent. I'll go a Tyron Matthew. Yeah. So for me, safeties, Eagles, as much as I don't like him for his dirty hit on Brandon cooks, come on.

Malcolm Jenkins was that guy when he played. Malcolm Jenkins. Can't forget about him. Yeah. And for safeties, give me Eric Berry for Kansas City. Nice. He was another one where he was criminally underrated,rated but yeah Eric Berry and I don't care if I'm Showing my recency bias grab your heart

Meds old heads That'll do it for our drafts This is a good one Just go down the list CJ has For the Chiefs Patrick Holmes Priest Holmes Otis Taylor Travis Kelsey Willie Rowe Curly Cup

Colt Derek Thomas, Willie Lanier, Emmitt Thomas, and Eric Berry. For me, Len Dawson, Jamal Charles, Tyree Kill, Tony Gonzalez, Will Shields, Buck Buchanan, Justin Houston, Bobby Bell, Marcus Peters, Tyron Matthew. Wait, hold on. I don't have Marcus Peters. Or is that you? No, I said I have Marcus Peters.

You mentioned you, too. Sorry, I phased. There you go. CJ for the Eagles, McNabb, LaShawn McCoy, T.O., Dallas Goddard, Jason Kelsey, Jerome Brown, Derek Thomas, Jeremiah Trotter, Eric Allen, and Malcolm Jenkins for me on the Eagle side, Randall Cunningham, Saquon, uh, Deshaun Jackson, Zach Ertz, Jason Peters, Fletcher Cox,

Trent Cole, Chuck Benerick, Asante Samuel, and Brian Dawkins. I feel like a lot of people are going to be like Asante Samuel, what the fuck? But he was a dog. He was a dog back then.

He really was. Now he just mostly complains about Bill Belichick. Yeah. But yeah, that's that is our all-time draft for the eagles and chiefs that was that was good i i liked that a lot oh you know i enjoyed it immensely yeah that was that was fun that was that was a lot of fun it really was but uh yeah that's that's all we have for scheduled content here today. CJ, you got anything else you want to add? No, I just want to say thank you.

In NBA news, thank God for the Luca trade because now nobody's paying attention to Justin Tugger. Yeah, right. Yeah, sure. Seriously. Oh, man, they must have freaking hated him at dallas i i tell you how do you only how do you only give how do you only get one first round pick and it's a pick you're not gonna see for fucking four years that's literally just how the nba works man it's literally

like all future picks how do you think the thunder got so good yeah well that's the other thing is that if you wanted picks you could have just shopped around and went to the thunder the spurs the rockets or a team that has a shit ton of picks that they can like that's kind of the problem with the thunder right now is that they have a ton of picks and it's like all right what are you actually going to do with these picks though like you all you already have a great team go get yourself a suit go trade for a fucking superstar like but this isn't the this is not an nba show it's really not no but that'll do it for us i'm sorry i had to make a joke at justin tucker's expense not the the kicker justin tucker not our of course well maybe well maybe we are talking about our justin tucker, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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