The Fumblerooski Podcast - Meeting The Deadline -Ep 308 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

A big trade deadline saw some key pieces being moved around and teams like the Commanders buying and getting better, while others had to sell because they suck and they know they suck, and then there's the Cowboys spending a 4th round pick on Mingo. It's also ELECTION DAY! We review the polls that you voted on for our Midseason Awards; Jayden Daniels for OROY? Lamar going back-to-back MVPs? Chiefs also improve to 8-0 and the combination of Mahomes and DHop is DEADLY, along with guys like Travis Kelce finally finding their stride. Adam Wright and CJ Medeiros talk all this and more, along with our Week 9 Top 3 Bottom 3!

the trade deadline is today at 4 p.m eastern standard time we give our mid-season nfl honors awards in honor of election day today and the chiefs remain undefeated in such an unconvincing fashion i'm adam right you're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fumble Rooski Podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros. We have a great show planned for you guys.

We are getting into... So, first of all, happy election day. If you guys haven't already, we're not a partisan... We're definitely not a partisan uh show at all but definitely get out there and vote if you haven't already um but also happy trade deadline day and let's elect drake may for president oh yeah we we are electing drake may for president with this one kids. That's who I endorse. And that's who I wrote in probably. I mean, I mean, most of, listen,

most of the, most of the NFL fans, we're all, we're all in on trade deadline day as well. And that's what we'll get to next. But in honor of election day, we kind of, so we put out on our Instagram page, a few polls for you guys to elect all of the AP honors awards for the mid season. Since we're, we're, we just got through week nine. We're more than halfway through the season. I wanted to see where people's heads are at. And, uh, we, so we give these predictions before the season starts as well. So let's see how these things did. So as far as offensive rookie of the year, currently Jaden Daniels is leading by a lot with 138 votes, 87%. Then it's Bo Nix at 9%.

Caleb Williams at 2%. Brian Thomas Jr. also at 2%. Man, has Caleb Williams fallen. Because it wasn't long ago where I was pointing out how Caleb was slowly getting better. And you had that absolute bleep show against the commanders both team both quarterbacks were not very good but caleb was particularly bad and then following that up with the game against arizona where he was even worse i mean if this kid can play which i still wouldn't

rule out um it probably isn't going we're probably not going to see it to the fullest extent until next year or the year after he's one of those quarterbacks as we've stated before excuse me um usually quarterbacks aren't playing at their complete best until year two or three. It's very, anybody who tries to tell you that quarterbacks should always be playing well, the rookie year, tune them out because it's,

it's a stupid argument. It almost never happens that way. Almost every quarterback you have ever seen in your entire life is playing their best. They're playing their absolute best football in year two or three. They're almost never doing it their rookie years. Um, which, which is what makes what Jaden Daniels is doing so spectacular. And the fact that we've seen it in back-to-back years tells me maybe we're seeing more of this

and it'll start to, it'll be a little bit more of a normal thing. Doesn't mean that if you're not good your first year that you're going to be, um, that you're going to be, you know, good, um, not good at all, um, in the future, because that's usually when quarterbacks are playing at their best. Look at Josh Allen, his rookie year, and look at Dak Prescott, his rookie year. One was better than the other, but now one is the opposite is better than the other. But now the opposite is better than the other now. Anybody who tries to say Dak Prescott is a better quarterback than Josh Allen is an idiot. Or just a Cowboys fan.

Or that. I was going to say, they're not mutually exclusive. Not always exclusive. There's some good Cowboys fans out there. No, no, no. i'm sure it's the vocal few who are just ruining it for everyone else but still listen anybody who tries to say dak prescott is better than josh allen even though one had a better rookie year than the other tune them out right and justin herbert wasn't even the best quarter was justin herbert was the offensive

rookie of the year um uh his rookie year um but he wasn't still wasn't the best quarterback in his class joe burrow is the better one and it's yes joe Burrow is the better one. Come on. I mean, I don't know. I mean, skill-wise, yeah, but injuries, man. Yeah, injuries have gotten to him, but even with the injuries, I mean, one is still better than the other. Yeah, Bo Nix is a quarterback who's shown some promise but also not some promise. He's been very – it's been a mixed bag, his rookie year.

I think he has the lowest ceiling of all the rookie quarterbacks in this class. True. Drake May, I believe has shown more promise because he's, he's been working with less and has shown some better physical abilities. I think he's a guy who can push the ball down the field a little better. He can do with more athleticism. He can make plays with his legs. Not to say that Bo Nix won't be a good quarterback, but I think Nix has probably the lowest ceiling of all the quarterbacks in this draft class. Yeah. And it's still a pretty decent ceiling too. you know and to give you brian thomas jr wow i knew that i thought that both of these both wide receivers coming out of lsu in the first round were going to be good i didn't know that it would be this close where you can see either of them making a

strong case for offensive rookie of the year malik neighbors isn't on here because we only listed the top four in betting odds. And since neighbors miss too much time, he's kind of out of the running. And plus there are so many quarterbacks who are playing very well right now that neighbors has turned into an afterthought and Brian Thomas jr. Did not miss any time. So he's fourth in odds than odds right now um all right as far as defensive rookie of the year jared verse is first with 57 votes laitu latu is 32 votes he has he is at 24 percent quinion mitchell is at 24 percent as well kamari lassiter is 10 percent um half of these guys are cornerbacks which is it just shows that the value of the cornerback position is rising um it also shows that this is not the best defensive class in the world

not really no i mean there are a lot of good guys but we said i said at the time it was going to take a bit because what there wasn't a defender taken to like what pick 15 or 16 something like that that in and of itself should have been indicative of what we were getting into. It was an offensive players draft. And there's players who we mentioned for the offensive rookie of the year race. Well, there's players we haven't mentioned that could easily be, if this was a different draft class than that they were in, you know, like again, Drake May and Bo Nix, if you put them in next year's draft draft or last year's draft they're going number one they're going number not last year's not last year's probably not last year's next year's though yeah no they're they're gonna definitely go number one drake may could go

number two overall last year but how how much did we like bryce young last year i but how, how much did we like Bryce Young last year? I did not. How much did we like last year? Because Drake, Drake may was supposed to be the number two overall pick. He slipped a little bit and also Jaden Daniels had a meteoric rise. Um, all right, but enough, enough with the, enough with that part that part uh since we already talked offensive rookie of the year offensive player of the year this is where it gets good but it also showed a runaway 68 of all votes went to derrick henry which makes sense he is having an unbelievable year if he reaches 2 000 yards uh dunk yards, he's a shoo-in. There's no other runner up there.

A distant second was Saquon Barkley at 24%. Yeah, he's had a really good year. And again, this is all being overshadowed by Derrick Henry. And it's the same thing with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. Two wide receivers who are having pretty good years. But again, he's, they're all stuck in the shadow of Derek Henry. You can't bring up the offensive player of the year award without first mentioning Derek Henry and saying, yeah, he's the winner. You, you just can't, there's no discussion that's being had

here. And maybery gets worse maybe henry regresses or he gets hurt and then it opens the door for the door for saquon barkley or justin jefferson but as of right now it's it's derrick henry in a landslide it's not close like no it shouldn't be either he already has over a thousand yards i think on the ground yeah all right defensive player of the year this one's an interesting one um because there's a lot of good edge rushers out there and there are some interior linemen who are gaining some attention as well um but right now it's still it's TJ Watt with 64%. Will Anderson is at 12%. He's in third place with 18. Chris Jones is at 8%.

Dexter Lawrence is the distant second to TJ Watt. He's at 16%, which again, that's a very distant second, but I think a lot of it, I believe a lot of it is name recognition. And if anyone has ever heard me talk about TJ Watt, if you haven't, I'll just, I'll give it to you quick. Um, I think TJ Watt is arguably the best defender of this generation. My key phrase is arguably. And the reason a lot of Steelers fans and a lot of other fans will think it's not even close is because of the amount of sacks that he gets. The problem is, I believe it's arguable because he is never double teamed.

He never faces any challenges now i can't say i can't hold it completely against him because you can't i don't know if he would still be as dominant if he was double teamed as much as micah parsons was or miles garrett or nick bosa or his literal or literally his teammate Alex Highsmith like 14% of the snaps he takes he's double teamed that is a very small amount for a guy who is the best edge rusher in the game the reason I think it's arguable is because he never faces the challenges again I can't hold it completely against him because if he wasn't double teamed we don't if he was double teamed we don't know if he would still be as dominant as he is but i like just ask yourself do you believe that that uh tj watt would be as dominant as micah park if micah part if he was double teamed as much as Micah Parsons, who has double teamed

virtually half of the snaps that he takes. And I don't want to hear it about, well, they don't know what to do because he can drop into coverage too. TJ Watt hasn't dropped into coverage for a significant amount of snaps since his rookie year. So it's just not an argument to be made. Second of all, Micah Parsons can drop into coverage too, and they still double team him. So there's not a good argument to be made against the fact that he never gets double teamed. That's a problem. That being said, I still believe he is arguably the best of his generation. So I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying when somebody says it's not close, I say, hang on a second. That's all I'm saying. And we got slammed for the reel that we

posted on Instagram by all the angry Steelers fans who just can't, they just cannot handle any form of disagreement. Anything said against their best edge rusher in the game, then it's a terrible thing to do. You're not allowed to do it. You're not allowed to say anything that you might disagree with. Yeah. And the thing is, we're not even saying he's bad. It's just at the end of the day, numbers don't lie. He does not get double teamed even half as much as miles garrett or michael parsons or max crosby or anybody else and and when you look at what the pittsburgh fans the yinzers as they're called when you look at what they say they don't even yeah and i'm about to i'm about to call them all out they don't even like refute our point they just say like you're stupid or you don't know ball it's like

okay can i have a statistical counter argument or are you just going to act like a child it's and they'll always act like children because it's what they do if you're if you're biased towards your own team then then there's no hope for you like if we're we are not a biased podcast we try to be as down the middle as completely possible, meaning we don't have any bias towards the Patriots, even though we want our quarterback to be the president of the United States. Which he should be, yes. I thought that was a given.

No, we're joking. We joke. You're going to hear, and we're going, while we're on this topic, if the Chiefs make a deep play off run, we are going to give them their, give them their flowers as they deserve. If they do that with the team that they have, you're going to hit a lot of people saying these are all chiefs fans, because that's what, that's, that's what sports fans think. They think that because you say anything positive about any

team or anything negative about one of their rival teams then it's because we're a certain fan of a of a certain base which is ridiculous we tell it how it is we stay as unbiased as possible if you want bias then just okay if you want a bias then just go go watch your local sports radio or just go sit at the kids table because the adults are talking here all right um lost my place we are we already did we just did defensive player of the year so what's next coach of the year comeback player of the year all right now this is an interesting one take it away this was an interesting one but 45 of it went to kirk cousins 25 went to joe burrow 23 went to jk dobbins and i'll tell i'll give let you in on a little secret aaron rogers we i mentioned earlier in this segment that we

listed the top four in betting odds. Aaron Rodgers was not fourth. You want to know who was fourth? You want to know? Damar Hamlin. What did he do? Not only do I not believe that he deserved it last year but he's already been back what the hell is he coming back from at this point and furthermore

they changed they changed the guidelines they changed the requirements for eligibility to win this award from they changed it into you have to come back to and from an injury demar hamlin is no longer coming back from an injury last year he played he did joe flacco was in the position where he came back from just being on the couch at least that was an argument that could be made it's like it's not really a comeback because you're not coming back from an injury. You can't make that argument for DeMar Hamlin anymore. Yeah. At least not after last season, you know, where he played. And not only that, like he was on the active roster. He even saw the field because I remember he was the 12th man when like the

opposing team buckles went up against. I don't remember who like missed a kick or something and he cost his team the game there. I remember that, but I don't think that quite qualifies you for comeback player of the year. Well, listen, Kirk Cousins, Joe Burrow, Aaron Rodgers. Yes, I put in Aaron Rodgers as the replacement because Aaron Rodgers came back from an Achilles tear. DeMar Hamlin came back from playing five snaps last season.

And one of the snaps, he was one of the too many men on the field in a potentially game came back from an Achilles tear. DeMar Hamlin came back from playing five snaps last season, and one of the snaps, he was one of the too many men on the field in a potentially game-winning field goal for the Bills. Yeah. That's not a good argument. Achilles tears for a 39-year-old to come back from that? That's a better argument. So spare me with the he-almost-died business. Spare me.

That was two years ago um and also he didn't come back to anything he played five snaps spare me um all right so these three quarterbacks who are listed they're all kind of they all kind of make the same case which is that the quarterback came back from a lower leg injury and he managed to be pretty much the same that he was before that um also joe burrow had a had a wrist thing i was thinking about the calf also but he had all kinds of injuries um kurt cousins achilles tear he looks pretty much the same as he has his entire career um aaron rogers i'm gonna say he looks pretty much the same i know the numbers haven't shown it but if you look at if you just look at his arm talent it's still there he does look old but i don't

think it's because of his achilles i think it's more so the fact that he's been smacked around by a terrible offensive line. And also when he does have time to throw, he looks mostly like himself. What I want to narrow down is J.K. Dobbins because he's not leading. He's not even second on our list in terms of this election result, but I think he's the guy who should win by the end of the year. I hope like I'll change. I'll rephrase. I think he should win. I believe he should win. My opinion is that he should win. How many, if you look at the list of running backs who have torn their Achilles, almost every single one of them was out of the

league right after. They would play a few games every now and then, but then they would be bottom of the roster fodder, maybe practice squad. They'd be out of the league. And the only two exceptions where it's actually kind of worked is where they were mediocre at best. Cam Akers is not the same running back that he was before the Achilles tear. He's not even close. He's a journeyman. He's not even starting, I don't think. He was supposed to be this incredible running back,

like a workhorse back, one of the best in the league. And coming back, he had that one year where he had over 700 yards he's still just giving the eye test he didn't look right and the rams agreed with me because they let him go and that's the truth um the other guy is deontay foreman i like deontay foreman i think he's the best starter though he was never Yes, but that was before he tore his Achilles. He was still trying to establish himself as a good back, and I thought there was something there, and then he tore his Achilles. And he had that one year where he had 200 carries, 900 yards.

Very good. Downhill runner. If you're a runner like that, it's very hard to stay in the league like that and take 200 carries, 900 yards. Very good. Downhill runner. If you're a runner like that, it's very hard to stay in the league like that and take 200 carries. The problem is, if that's the best you can do for me, for all of the league's history and Achilles tears for running backs, if that's the best you can do, you'll have to do better. But J.K. Dobbins, let me tell you about J.K. Dobbins this year.

This is a guy who's on pace for 1300 yards right now and 15 touchdowns might be 10, but, um, this is a guy who is on pace for an incredible season, not just a good season by ACL or by Achilles standards, but a good season in general in relation to the rest of the league to come back from an achilles tear on an injury that for running backs has been historically a career-ending injury no matter the age that is definitionally a comeback player of the year. You can kind of see quarterbacks coming back from it. You don't see running backs coming back from it. You never see it. They don't even come back to the field.

They're done for the career. They don't even see the field because teams see it. They see it in practices. They see it in training camps. They see it in preseasons. James Robinson is another one. James Robinson tore his Achilles at the end of 2020, came back in 2021. He was good at first, quickly gassed out, and he was out of the league. Travis Etienne took over that backfield for the jaguars that was it

it was history from there he's been bouncing around teams and has barely even been taking any snaps anywhere in fact i don't think he's taken a regular season snap since his time with the jaguars we'll have to double check that but yeah i know he was i think he spent some time with the bears and the pats at least i know the pats i think he might have the bears but i don't think he ever saw the playing field at least the fact is what jk dobbins is doing is unbelievable so he's on pace for 13 touchdowns so somewhere in between 13 touchdowns 1300 yards and he's averaging 4.9 yards of carry, just under five yards. Oh, and let the record show, Achilles Terrasai, this isn't even the first year he's been hurt.

Dude's literally been hurt for like the past two and a half, three years. And the fact that he has been this hurt for that long came back to a new team, new system, and didn't miss a beat. Look, we all love Kirk Cousins. We all love Joe Burrow. But I'm sorry, how is it not Dobbins, considering the fact he plays a more physically demanding position on an entirely new team?

But it is kind of a QB award now, like many things tend to be. Which is ridiculous. it's mostly worse it's 150 percent worse i mean like i can see a i can see mvp being a quarterback dominant award because that is the most valuable position if the most valuable player at a position happens to be the best player like statistically then it's a slam dunk they win the award and it's not close like if who are you going to give derrick henry who scores who gets 2 000 yards and 15 touchdowns or patrick mahomes who gets 50 touchdowns and 5 000 yards and leads his team to the number one seed because the quarterback is going to be the more valuable position.

If the quarterback is thriving, your team is thriving. Most of the time. So, especially if you get the one seed. If that quarterback is that good and is winning you games, I don't care how many yards the best running back is getting. The quarterback gets it 10 times out of 10. All right. But like we, we have a couple of good,

we have a couple of pretty good candidates for that award. A couple of quarterbacks, as we've mentioned, Kirk Cousins looks pretty much like himself. Joe Burrow is kind of having a career year, but no one's noticing it because his team is so mediocre. That defense is terrible. And we'll get to what they're doing at the trade deadline right now because it's clear they're buyers.

They're not bad enough to sell, but they're good enough so that they're going to try and save their season. And it's possible. We'll see. Their defense is terrible though um all right elect your coach of the year at number one we have dan quinn he got 50 of all of the votes dan quinn is taking a very he's taking a very mediocre offensive line and made it one of the best in the league he's taking a rookie quarterback and turning him into a borderline mvp candidate and the defense the defense hasn't been great but it hasn't been costing them games yeah defense just got a little better of. We'll get to that in a sec.

But Dan Quinn wasn't someone I had on my Coach of the Year bingo card. But they are first in the NFC East. They are 7-2. And the roster has some talent, but nothing that will blow you away. It's literally just coaching. And by the way, they're 7-2 with a rookie. So, I mean, look, I know some of the other candidates that were there. You know, you had, like, O'Connell and Harbaugh, the Chargers one, not the Ravens one.

But, I mean, it would have to be Dan Quinn, right? Just given the current criteria as we understand them. We'll also give you the other candidates because we have some other good ones that are just, they're becoming afterthoughts just because Dan Quinn's season has become so good. And I think we're seeing kind of a trend with this election, at least just ours,

is that you see some really good candidates for other positions, but it's just the leader is so good that you just can't even have a conversation. It's like offensive player of the year. There are so many offensive players who are having great years, but you can't even have a conversation about them because of how dominant Derrick henry has been which is a great problem to have but it's it would be nice if some of these conversations

would be better uh so kevin o'connell is a uh 22 he's the distance second with sam darnold and pretty good personnel otherwise, just the fact that you're working with Sam Darnold and actually winning games with him, no one has been able to do that. Nobody. He's always had the physical abilities. He's never been able to put it together on the NFL level.

Until now. Where he's looked overall. He hasn't collapsed yet. Sean Payton is the last place guy at 10%. Again, a guy who's become an afterthought. He brought in a rookie quarterback and currently, what are they, five and four? I believe so, yeah. And not just any rookie quarterback, Bo Nix,

who was, I believe, the last of the six taken in the first round. He is the guy who we believe is the lowest ceiling quarterback. He has a high floor, fairly low ceiling, and they're winning games with him with not the best roster. So I think that's, that's indicative of Sean Payton. He's a quarterbacks. He's a quarterbacks coach.

He put together a solid offensive line. That's keeping Knicks afloat and their defense is pretty solid too overall pretty balanced attack are the are the broncos going to the playoffs probably not maybe they make it at the at they barely sneak in but i mean with the way the ravens manhandled them didn't look great jim harbaugh is the distant third. He is at 18%. This is one who I've been praising all season long. He's working with a young quarterback who has the makings to be one of the best in the league. The offensive line has been the best that Justin Herbert has ever worked with and it's kept him afloat. And it turns out if you have a

good offensive line and you give your star quarterback time to throw, he makes his wide receivers a little better. Quentin Johnson has actually been a productive, half productive wide receiver. Josh Palmer is a pretty decent receiver. Who's been an afterthought in years past with Mike Williams and Keenan Allen being on this team in years, in the past few seasons. You also have Ladd McConkie, who's a decent wide receiver. Now that Justin Herbert has time to throw, he's actually finding these guys. Isn't that amazing?

And their defense has been, with the personnel that they have had, finally playing how they should be playing. I'm not going to say that they have a good defense, but they're overperforming. And that smells like Jim Harbaugh to me. So the fact that this Chargers team that has perennially been underperforming is finally overperforming for a change, it feels weird, but it also feels good. You feel happy for this Chargers team that's just been going through it. Yeah, and one of the reasons being that you mentioned, and you hit the nail on the head, it's coaching. It's literally coaching. We said in years past they had a good team, but unfortunately their head coach was more of a ball and chain

rather than a leader. And I am, of course, referring to defensive mastermind Bob Staley. And now that you actually have a real, like, competent, normal human being and Jim Harbaugh is a head coach. Things just get better. Shocking. I know. Yeah.

Okay. Let's move on to MVP. All right. So at number one for the league MVP, we have Lamar Jackson at 53%. It's another runaway. And you kind of understand it because we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. Lamar Jackson is playing the best football, in my opinion, in his entire career. And the reason for that is because of his improved

passing ability. He's not just making plays with his legs like he did in 2019. In 2019, he had a pretty good arm too. But this year it feels like his arm is the better quality. It's not that he can't make plays with his legs. It's just that you have an incredible running back now who can take some pressure off Lamar Jackson so he can throw it a little more. And he's actually done pretty well at it, much better than I ever thought he could do. And for that, I do believe

that he should be league MVP. And it's not close either. And again, like the trend that we have been giving throughout this entire segment, there's other candidates who could be worthy of this award if it weren't for the leader being so much better than everybody else. Josh Allen, for example, currently on the season, he has thrown for, I believe it's 16 touchdowns to two interceptions. Is that correct? Something like that, yeah. 17 touchdowns to two interceptions. This is a great year for Josh Allen because usually he's throwing a lot of picks. He's been a turnover-prone quarterback.

It's always worked out because he throws a million more touchdowns and for a gazillion more yards, and it ends up working out. Currently, Allen is projected 32 touchdowns of four picks nearly 4 000 yards this in any other year would be a would be worthy of a league mvp season problem is lamar jackson's playing out of his mind and i'll give you another one jared goff. Goff, he is a guy, you know he's capable of the big games. No one questions that, and anyone who does, again, tune them out. Because we've all seen him get in the shootouts, and we've seen him win the shootouts. You remember back in 2018, that one game against the Chiefs?

There were a combined, like, 80 points scored. This is all off the top of my head. I believe so, yeah. But Jared Goff has gotten into shootouts time and time again, and he's won them time and time again. Goff has 14 touchdowns to four picks. He is on pace for just under 4,000 yards, 30 touchdowns, nine interceptions. This is another great year. And the thing is, this Lions team overall is so well-rounded that they can beat teams in so many different ways, and you don't need Jared Goff to put up the stats. And I think that's a big reason why he's not higher up on this MVP list, is because they don't need him to do much. If they pushed it to Jamison Williams and Amin Ra St. Brown, Sam Laporta, boy, would he be putting up the yards in the statistics.

And maybe him and Lamar Jackson will be neck and neck. Problem is they don't need him to do that because they have a great running game. They have a defense that can win you games as well. You have a good coach who is aggressive and pushes the note. And you can have Jaredared goff throw it you don't need jared goff that much because this team is so well-rounded um which i guess doesn't bode well for goff's mvp odds probably not because the thing for the ravens is that even though they got Derek Henry right they still need Lamar they need Lamar the Bills oh my god Josh Allen is the engine that makes that team go and he has single-handedly saved Sean McDermott's job but Jared Goff he's good but I wouldn't say he is the piece for the Lions you know I would not say that I mean he's

important yeah but he but his importance to the Lions I would argue is not comparable to the importance Lamar Jackson has to the Ravens or Josh Allen to the Bills as far as other MVP candidates go yeah so what I was just saying is this the fact that they don't rely on him as much it doesn't bode well for his mvp chances but he's probably more happy about the fact they are they have a really good chance to represent to go to the super bowl and perhaps win it i mean who's beating him who's beating this team maybe i mean we'll talk about the chiefs in a couple segments maybe the chiefs and who beats them to to get to the super bowl i'm i'm getting stumped there myself maybe the commanders but jayden daniels is too young he's not there he doesn't have the

experience i don't think um yeah and the last one and we brought him up in the offensive rookie of the conversation because his performance has been so sensational we're bringing him up in the league mvp conversation because again he is not the fourth leading candidate the leading candidate is patrick mahomes and that's record that's name and record we all know that you've said this before let's just move on to uh daniels yeah so daniels daniels is a guy who has had a very good year and he has taken the commanders to heights that we did not see he would take them to this season. We thought that he would be okay. We didn't think he would be this great.

And this is a great rookie year. This is the second straight year where a rookie quarterback has exceeded expectations their first season. I don't think he's winning it. It would take a historic second half to the season stranger things have happened but i don't see an offensive rookie of the year also winning league mvp it would probably break the league and at that point you might as well give him offensive player of the year too if he does both of those things they probably won't because you can't give one player three awards that just makes it boring but don't rule it out if you if he wins two of them he may

get a third one so we'll see what happens there all right that concludes our election special guys again get out and vote um we're not telling you who to vote vote drake may 2024 um for president yeah he will overthrow the iranian government all right all right next we're going to get to the trade deadline news there's a lot of stuff that just broke some stuff that broke during the show that we had to get into um we're gonna get to that next this is the fumble ruski podcast it may not have always showed it in the stat sheet but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns someone's gotta get that six or seven spot he's an elite wide receiver as a rookie truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides

welcome back to the fumble ruski podcast by power 88 and secret weapon consulting adam right with cj medeiros it's obviously election night, but more importantly, it's the trade deadline for the league and lots of action and call me crazy, but I'm starting to see more and more action as the season, as the years go on. I think more teams get more needy during the season and they just need to buy. I think they should push more needy during the season and they just need to buy. I think they should push it to later in the season because that's when teams really need help. But that's just me. And for right now, it's after week nine, which again, I disagree with.

I think they should have it at least week 11. That's my opinion there. But opinions are like belly buttons. We're going to the trade deadline for week nine. But before we get to that, we're going to get to real quick. We'll just touch on it fast. Saints head coach Dennis Allen was fired. And it's about damn time. Are we really no we're not shocked but it kind of just

shows how this saints team really doesn't have any urgency to make changes that quickly they won't make any changes to the salary cap they refuse to to do a rebuild, even though they've had to do it for years, ever since Drew Brees left. Like, this team needs a rebuild. And we're going to get into how they just sold one of their big pieces in a couple seconds. I'm sorry. If I may, what you just said, you've known me for a while now.

This is something I have said for years. And you know what they're doing? They're doing what the Indianapolis Colts did. Remember before they went with Anthony Richardson? We can debate whether or not that was a good pick, but how for years Indy just kept riding the QB carousel. That is what the Saints are doing, and it's not going to work. And it's a starts at the top and forget Dennis Allen Mickey Loomis has to be on the chopping block because every year they start out like 70 million in the hole and they do their gymnastics with the cap to just kick the can down the road again and all these stupid drunken Bourbon Street squatters and the Saints fans are like,

oh, that's why we're so great. To which I say, before we move on, I just want to say, what does it get you? Quickly, though. What have you gotten out of this? You were mid for the longest time, and now you're below mid. You had all this hope when you started out. What was it? You dropped like 91 points or something over the span of two weeks start out two and oh and then you lost seven straight you are back down to earth mickey

loomis has got to go next because if he's not you will just continue to spin the wheels of futility and spencer rattler is not the answer either adam yeah well i was going to get to some of the stuff we've already covered in the instagram post but we already have one that just broke literally right now. The Rams are trading two-time Pro Bowl cornerback Tredavious White to the Ravens. We don't have, we don't yet have the return. Yeah, you can make the post. We don't yet have the return, but this is one that makes sense for the Ravens. On defense, they have been very, very suspect. And if there's anything that's

going to sink this Ravens team, it's their defense. On offense, they're almost unstoppable. But looking at their defense, they have some really good players. Just, they need to put it all together. Their secondary now has Tredavious White. You have Marlon Humphrey. I'm forgetting the kid that you just, that you drafted. Oh, Wiggins from Clemson. Yes.

You have some personnel there. Put it all together. because the Ravens defense has been the staple of this team for decades. If you go all the way back to even 2000 to 2012, to some of the middling Joe Flacco led teams that would sneak into the playoffs and give the Patriots fits like those, those defenses were the staple of your team. Now that offense is taking over, you still need to win with balance because the reality is only 11 teams have ever won a Superbowl without a top 10 defense. You have the offense, you need the balance. So the defense is going to have to get there um so this is this

is a trade that does make sense to me and it's quite the splash i might add yeah i would definitely say that it makes sense for baltimore i mean you mentioned how their defense is underperformed and i wouldn't say that's a personnel issue because you mentioned that you have the pieces it's just you gotta remember their defensive coordinator is now coaching in Seattle. And that is something a lot of people tend to forget. A lot of people just don't value coordinators all that much. But it does hurt. And this might go a long way in mitigating some of the problems you have with giving up punk plays because pairing

him up with wiggins and uh hamilton and like marlon humphrey wait is humphrey hurt um let me check that real quick but i don't know you have some decent pieces in the secondary so i would definitely say yeah it helps a lot yeah um yeah you know no he's he's not hurt um yeah so you got humphrey you have hamilton you got Wiggins. This helps immensely. Yeah. All right. The next one, this was from earlier this morning. The Cleveland Browns traded edge rusher Zedaria Smith in a seventh round pick to the Detroit Lions in exchange for a fifth and sixth round pick. This was huge. And we called it a few weeks ago. We said, now that Zedaria Smith and Preston Smith are on the trade block, expect the Lions to be one of the teams that calls in.

They got one of the best ones on the market in Zedaria Smith. They lost Aiden Hutchinson to a broken leg, and it sucks because he was having an incredible year. He was the staple of that defense. I still have the Lions winning the Super Bowl, and I still think their defense is solid. I think their ceiling got a lot lower once their best player, Aiden Hutchinson, got hurt.

But this plugs the hole a little bit. It makes it a little better. Because Z'Darrius Smith is a pretty good edge rusher. So that was a bit, it was a move that I saw coming, and it was also one that makes so much sense, it'd be stupid to not make it. The next trade that was made earlier today this morning was the chicago bears trading uh running back khalil herbert to the cincinnati bengals for a seventh round pick

another no-brainer because their running back core is depleted. It is gone. Zach Moss is out with a neck injury. Their running back core was already missing a lot of depth. Since Joe Mixon left, it hasn't been quite the same. It's forced Joe Burrow to throw a lot more. And as we mentioned before, this Bengals team is still in contention, at least for the playoffs. They're 4-5 right now. They have a lot of winnable games coming up.

They have a tough week coming up against the Ravens. They need all the help they can get, and if they're going to stay in contention, number one, they probably need to do a lot more than this. They definitely need some cornerback help and they need some edge rusher help um number two they they need to this running back core is it's bad and they didn't adam replacing zach i'll let you get replacing zach moss replacing joe makes it with zach moss was a stupid mistake there were so many better running backs out there you could have gone after what were you saying even the draft yes

but uh the full trade has been released for tradavious white the rams are sending corner tradavious white and a 2027 seventh round pick to the ravens for a 2026 seventh round pick weird they basically got him for nothing but essentially yes i mean that for for the um for the ravens that's that trade is a no-brainer because that team is in contention as far as this trade for the rams it's weird that they didn't get as much back he is a veteran so that i'm sure that plays a lot into it because he's probably like he's under a one-year deal so it doesn't really help him beyond this year so why are the rate why would the ravens give up that much more um yeah all right

and then jonathan mingo was traded from the carolina panthers the wide receiver who is in his second year by the way which is weird um you usually don't give up on wide receivers that early especially running wide receivers who are drafted that early, that quick, uh, that early in the draft rather, uh, to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a fourth round pick. So again, the fourth round pick is because he's young. We don't know exactly what he will be so far. He looks more like a bus than anything, but the Cowboys are desperate right now. They are really reeling. I believe they're, what, 3-6? 3-5 because I think they have their bye week.

Either way, they're in one of the worst positions I have seen in years. And I don't know if Jonathan mingo is going to fix it but maybe this is one of those value picks where they just hope that it turns into something um here's the big news excuse me from today fighting a colds um the new orleans saints traded star cornerback marshawn latimore and a fifth round pick to the washington commanders for a third fourth and sixth round pick uh this is big it's not only is not only did the best cornerback on the trade market get traded but it went to the commanders, which tells you where they believe they are. Not only is this team seven and two,

but they are playing like a team that just wants, that they won't, they don't want to just be a good team and say, look, look at this, the future. They want to win right now too. And they're blown there. I mean, they're blowing at this, the future. They want to win right now too. And, um, they're blown there.

I mean, they're blowing out a lot of teams. Their core, their, their rookie quarterback is playing like he's been in the league for three years. Um, he just won a game hurt against one of the better defenses in the league in the bears. Um, why not go all in and see how this goes i mean marshall latimore is going to be on the team for multiple years so this isn't this is a this is a trade that doesn't just help them for this year it helps them for years beyond as well um so it makes all the sense in the world that they would trip that they would trade for this guy it also makes all the sense in

the world that the saints finally sell a little bit and give off their best players because it's getting ridiculous. Like they, they should not be trying to be competitive right now. They should be selling off and trying to win a few years down the road, maybe three, four years. Um,

yeah. And if you look at, um, there's a lot of players. can also trade off um some of them they can't if you give out if you give off chris olave then that franchise should probably delete itself yeah no no not olave but do they still have cameron jordan they have camaro yeah oh you're gonna have to probably chuck off to the great beyond and honestly not even trade just released it might be time to part ways with ryan ramchak for the sole reason of he's probably

with that injury he's probably never playing ball again oh yeah um here's another so there were back-to-back moves done by the steelers so they first they led off by trading for mike williams uh for a fifth round pick then they immediately followed off with uh followed up with uh trading for green bay packers edge rusher preston smith which tells me they believe they're better than they actually are or at least they want to get better than they are because with the record that they have with the record that they have they should not be this good with the quarterback situation they have justin fields helped them to a record that i did not see coming i believe he led him to a four and two record and russell wilson kind of continued that and showed some flashes of his old self so if this team continues to play well and improves more with now george pickens and

mike williams and pat fryer move and you already for edge rushers you already had tj watt you already had alex high smith now you add preston smith that, that's a good front seven. So this is a very balanced Steelers attack. And depending on how good Russell Wilson is this year, they could be a playoff team. And maybe they win a couple playoff games. Who knows? I don't think it'll happen.

That'll be the most important part for Preston Smith. That's another reason for TJj watt not to get double teamed that's true i'm kidding i'm yeah which they weren't going to double team him anyway he can't even this isn't even on him the just going back quickly to the double teaming i'm on i am on tj watt's side he can't don't he can't just say tell teams, don't double team me and act like a coward. He has no control over that. He's going to face what is given to him. So I'm not even holding against him. He's not a coward. He's a guy who he takes advantage of it. He makes teams pay for it. My question is, why are they not double teaming him more why is he not getting doubled none of it makes any

sense there and again if you keep on using the excuse well he drops into coverage so does micah parsons so i don't want to hear it and again i feel for him in this situation because you can't he can't control all right so that's all we have gotten so far and we will continue to cover throughout the rest of the show but we are at 56 minutes on the episode so anything that we get we won't spend too much time on but in the meantime we're going to get to the kansas city chiefs who just extended their winning streak to start the season, remain unbeaten, and did it in,

I wouldn't say unconvincing fashion, because they kind of looked a little bit like their old selves. We're going to get into that next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns someone's gotta get that six or seven spot he's an elite wide receiver as a rookie truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides welcome back to the fumble ruski podcast by power 88 and secret weapon consulting i'm adam right

with cj maderos so the kansas city chiefs remain undefeated that's right they are eight and oh they beat the buccaneers 30 to 24 a game that had a few lead changes that went into overtime and the chiefs ended up winning on a walk-off uh on a walk-off touchdown by kareem hunt um so patrick mahomes threw for 291 yards three touchdowns he threw the ball 44 times in the process, but he completed 34 passes. This, he looked like his normal self for once this season. And now we're at the point in the last two games, five to nothing, touchdown to interception ratio, 11 to nine on the season. It's been an ugly year for Mahomes. But I also believe you can't really watch the scoreboard, the box score, too much.

Because if you look at the games, you know if this Chiefs team does not have Mahomes, they don't even have a winning record. They're winning because of him. I'm sorry. Anyone who tries to say they're winning in spite of Patrick Mahomes, they're either that biased against the Chiefs or they just don't watch football. Either that or come on coaching. Yeah. I mean, coaching has helped immensely, especially on defense. But we know that that's a, we know that coaching is a positive.

Like if you just have coaching, you need, you need three factors in order to be a Superbowl contender at the bare minimum. You need a coach, you need the elite quarterback, and you need the line to keep him on his feet. That's what you need on the, at least on the offensive side of the ball. And the D the coaching kind of leaks over to the defense because defensive schemes do help a lot. lot um and just look at what's happening over in in la right now with the chargers they went from one coach to another and the defense looks completely different so that just tells you about how much coaching matters in the league so yeah you're right i'm just saying if you don't have the quarterback either they don't have a winning

record that's all i'm saying yeah fair no no we probably this is one of those situations where we agree on more than we think and then we just end up arguing like two old men just saying get off my lawn um yeah and this buccane team, even without some of the players that they had, um, Mike Williams is out until at least week 11, Chris Godwin, obviously out for the year with that dislocated ankle. Um, they've shown, they've shown some fight during those couple of games and they, if you look at the rest of the, listen, we have to, we just have to, I know that they've been an unconvincing team, but we have to start the conversation. They're eight and no now. They next have the five and four Broncos. They have the seven and two Bills,

the two and seven Panthers, the two and seven Raiders, the five and three Chargers, the two and seven Browns, the six and three Texans, six and two Steelers, the five and three chargers, the two and seven Browns, the six and three Texans, six and two Steelers, the five and four Broncos. That's the remaining schedule. CJ, are they going undefeated to finish this season? You know, probably more so than many of us would care to admit it's possible you know it's honestly i wouldn't even say it's more likely than not or completely not going to happen this is a cop-out but i really believe it's a coin flip 50 50 for for a few reasons one we know they're gonna i mean yeah i know we can say ha they have the refs on their side look at

that false start not called on the game winner they're still probably gonna win the game let's be honest that's almost a non-factor but for the chief schedule you gotta like you said you gotta look so the thing is you've got denver the raiders and Chargers, which they're all going to be in Arrowhead, but maybe not as much the Raiders, but the Chargers and maybe Denver might give them a little scare because we said weird stuff happens in divisional games. That's not new. But I am looking at the Bills specifically and maybe the Texans, because the Texans are hurting right now, you know,

for the sole reason of they're just too injured. But they're probably going to have Nico Collins backs that should mitigate some stuff. But their performances, win or lose, even if it's an unconvincing win against the Bills and the Texans, and honestly, maybe even the Steelers are going to be telling, you know. And like I said, they have some divisional games as well. It's well within the realm of possibility for them to go undefeated.

But especially now with an extra game, it's just tough. You know, my gut instinct tells me no. However, and one reason is, too to their final game is in denver and you know we know denver is kind of over performing but here's a factor you might not have considered it's that if the chiefs by then will probably have the one seed then they're going to sit mahomes we'll sit kelsey all their starters're going to sit Mahomes, they're going to sit Kelsey, all their starters are going to be resting. So maybe they drop that one.

See, that's something a lot of people always forget about. The final week of the season, if you have the number one seed locked up, there's literally no reason to play. Unless you're playing for pride and playing for that record. In that case, I hate to be that guy, but you're rolling the dice, aren't you?

What if you want that undefeated record so you leave all your starters out there and Christ forbid Mahomes or Chris Jones or a big name goes down? You know they're going to do it. If you're 16-0, you're on the edge of doing what Tom Brady and Randy Moss and Wes Welker couldn't do.

You have a chance to do that? Oh, man, they're taking that chance. Sorry, they're doing it. If they're 16-0 and they have the Broncos, who are about as middling as it gets. Overperforming, but still middling, yeah. Overperforming, yeah. Anddling. Yeah. Overperforming. Yeah.

And a lot of it's their schedule. If they, if that's what they have left and they can go 16 and oh, there's rather 17 and oh, they're doing it. They're going for it. I don't know if they'll get it because maybe the Broncos at that point play up,

but they're going to go for it. And how, yeah, how hilarious would it be? I wouldn't say hilarious because it sucks to see injuries happen, but let's say, uh, how comical would it be if they went for it in one of their key pieces goes down in the process, they go 17 and 0 but they end up being a first round exit or an earl sometime first second round because of it because they tried so hard to get it they're gonna go for it if that ends up happening but oh boy if you're in that spot they're not benching their starters i i hope you know probably not but then like i said you never ever tempt fate and i know a lot of these guys have a clean bill of health but if you roll the dice and like i said god forbid like chris jones or patrick mahomes goes down especially mahomes your season is over

yeah if mahomes goes then the year's over and that sucks because you go 17 and oh and then you're a first round exit because your quarterback tore his acl in the process oh by the way um that one injury where everyone just lost their breath um patrick mahomes in the process of throwing the game tying touchdown how about that that was insane um it's unbelievable that he was able to come right back into the into the game i i'm truly as much as i i hate patrick mahomes we need him in the league oh yeah he makes it fun you know everyone needs a villain you know like how tom brady was he gives you a villain he gives people something to watch for their team to try and beat it doesn't mean we have to love them it means like if mahomes goes down and the chiefs are

just a nothing burger of a team the rest of the way that's not the league isn't as fun nobody looks at the lions as a villain at that point they're just like yay we get to see you win the super bowl i mean maybe like the ravens i guess but i don't i can't think of anybody outside of the afc north that like really hates lamar yeah if it would turn into raven i got nothing wrong lamar i love lamar if it turned into ravens lions then nobody is hating either team on that side they're just enjoying a fun super bowl I got nothing wrong with Lamar. I love Lamar. If it turned into Ravens-Lions, then nobody is hating either team on that side. They're just enjoying a fun Super Bowl.

If it's Chiefs-Lions, if it's Chiefs-Lions this Super Bowl, you better believe everyone's becoming a Lions fan. So that's my point. Everyone has reason to root against the Chiefs because nobody wants to see them win which is good for the league i'm not saying that they should win it every year i'm saying when they are in contention it's more fun to see your team beat them than anybody else in the league which is the way it was when the patriots were around well they're still around so they're like that

they're like that they're like that 15 year old dog who's just like they're they're still around so they're like that they're like that they're like that 15 year old dog who's just like they're they're alive but they're just kind of not doing very well and you know that you just gotta a lot of people know the feeling but uh you get what i mean like the the league needs the chiefs um but i mean i'm rambling a little bit from our original topic of talking about that in my home's injury um it was a non-contact injury which i think is what scared us the most because those are the ones that turn into oh it's an acl tear it's an achilles tear um and i wouldn't be surprised if it was a table of swift dark magic who just from the sidelines just cast a spell and then just heal magically healed his achilles and

his acl and just brought him back out that happened to me once magic um but, another part of why I, I believe it's now back on the table that they go 17 and now they traded for Deandre Hopkins, who clearly looks like himself. Like he looks like the wide receiver who they wanted to trade for, which is huge. And it also shows that Will Levis was the problem. Also looking at Calvin Ridley, i never thought that mason rudolph would be an upgrade from anybody but now that you have mason rudolph in there throwing passes to calvin ridley he looks like the the number one wide receiver that he always was um so clearly these guys weren't just washed they had a terrible quarterback throwing to him which makes me wonder like i'm now curious how bad will levis actually is because like if you like mason rudolph is a below average quarterback like he is bad if he's if he's

your qb1 you're probably a seller dwelling team which the titans are yeah but the fact that he made that team look better like how bad is will levis well adam you can kind you kind of answered your own question because if you remember and i bring this up all the time but only because you were correct about what you said before the season started when we were talking about we had like a whole episode dedicated to titans basically you said and i'm paraphrasing here we're gonna find out real quick if this kid can play being will levis and uh he can't play yes i know and i i know i'm i know i'm right about that i didn't know it would be this right because usually they the team looks at least a little better because i i also said even if will levis is average barely below average with the roster that they have around them then they should at least be a competitive team like a maybe around

500 team nine and eight eight and nine they weren't even that like he made the rest of the team that's an armored roster around him look bad like he made he made calvin ridley and deandre hopkins look washed he made it so that the chiefs wound up getting hopkins for nothing and now he looks like a one again like how bad i didn't realize it was that bad usually the team he the team makes the quarterback look a little better if the quarterback's not that good you see to a tug of iloa over in miami the team's playing the team around him is really good and it makes two will look a lot better not to say that two is bad but two looks like an elite quarterback with tyreek hill and jaylen waddle being thrown to. If he was on another team like the Patriots right now,

he would not be very good. So that's what I thought. But Will Levis made the rest of the roster look bad, which is very hard to do. It was actually comical how bad Will Levis was. Yeah, I have no idea how he pulled that off. And I didn't even feel bad for the kid. Like the guy is just, he just looks like a douchebag.

Did you see that one clip where he dove for a first down on the sidelines, took out an elderly ball boy who ended up having to be carted off the field in a in an air cast like destroyed his knee did not check to see if the guy was okay ran ran across the sideline and celebrated the first down yeah well you know too much mayo well we'll do that too you know i just yeah he he might just not be a good guy overall because like usually if a player is bad you just don't care about them you're just indifferent it's like it's an afterthought yeah to be bad and also for people to genuinely hate you at the same time is very hard to do because usually they just don't care about the fans are just like get them out of the get them

off the field get a new quarterback whatever this guy is actually hateable he really is ironically yes and like listen that one girlfriend of his who left him before the season started i actually felt bad for him at at first because i'm like damn you left him because what does she in the draft. She dodged a bullet. She dodged a bullet. She knew something. She is the good guy in this. And I was about to take his side. I'm like, damn, she left him because he fell in the draft?

It was a lot more to it. Maybe she left him because maybe he's a bit of a character, is all I'll say. I mean, he dove for a first down, took out an old guy's leg, didn't even acknowledge him, and then celebrated the first down. What a douchebag.

Just saying. All right. We move on to our final segment, which is the weekly top three, bottom three. That's T3B3. For week nine, that's next. This is the FumbleRisky Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns someone's gotta get that six or seven spot he's an elite

wide receiver as a rookie truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides welcome back to the fumble ruski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros. We are on to the top three, bottom three portion of our show, where we give you the best and worst performances for that slate of action. So week nine, best and worst. We're going to stop with the top three, as always. The Cincinnati Bengals.

They beat the Raiders. Five touchdowns from Joe Burrow, too. Joe Burrow, five touchdown passes. Low-key having the best season of any quarterback in the league. If not for Lamar Jackson, it's arguable now. But 20 touchdowns? And he's on pace for 5 000 yards just the bangles are wasting him though god damn this is worse than carson palmer on the bangles this is worse this is getting worse than i mean

this is getting worse than uh than mattheword on the Lions. It's getting to that level. Because Matthew Stafford, he was very inconsistent at times. And, like, sometimes you can kind of blame him because he would have that one game where it's like, holy crap, dude. He got the name Stat Padford for a reason because he would play like crap the first three quarters and then throw like a hundred yards and a touchdown or two in the fourth and just be like see i'm good and that's

why he's not a hall of famer kids remember that which like at least joe burrow takes this terrible franchise that is the cincinnati bengals to two afc championships one super bowl where you lost by one score and if it weren't for a terrible offensive line, you could be champions right now in a little bit of officiating. All right. Our next one is the Baltimore Ravens. We have raved over this Ravens team. God, that was terrible. I need to retire the entire podcast after that. That was, that came up off the top of my head if you unfollow or delete the podcast and unfollow everything i completely understand holy crap no i don't

understand and you may not rave for the ravens you might as well just move to canada okay man aside from that all right the ravens also hung 41 points just like the bengals did um and they held the broncos for only 10 points one of the few situations where the where the the ravens defense actually showed to be pretty decent um derrick henry with over 100 yards yet again he had two touchdowns again derrick henry is on pace for 2 000 yards and 21 touchdowns he's averaging 6.3 yards a carry and lamar jackson threw another three touchdowns he's also thrown 20 touchdown passes this year and two picks another guy who is on pace for 4,500 yards 38 touchdowns to four picks again this is the best i have seen lamar jackson as a passer and it's what's going to win him league mvp this year um all right our next one is this one comes at a little bit of a surprise because you could have

also given the commanders who continue to roll but i gave it to the chargers the chargers because i mentioned this earlier on in the show they have the quarterback they have the coach they have the line three factors that are the bare minimum for being a contending team. I am not saying they are contending, but they're five and three, and they're much better this year than I thought that they would. Maybe they make the playoffs, which is much better than I thought they'd be. So if they work on the team a little bit more in the off season, make some good moves. This team could be a contender next year, maybe. I'm not saying they will. I've liked what I've seen from the Chargers.

They've been steadily a pretty good team this year, and I'm not afraid to admit that. All right, now let's go to the bottom three. We have the New Orleans Saints, who just sold off their best player on the defense marshawn latimore to the washington commanders they need to continue to sell because this team isn't close to contention their salary cap situation is a dumpster fire it has been every single year since drew breeze left the league they need to they're long overdue for a rebuild they need to sell off the team

um they need to start from scratch they need to get younger they need to bring in some good young players um they have some good players right now but if they just trade some of their pieces away they can get younger quicker all right um oh and adam cherry on top they lost to the panthers yeah other than that so you mentioned their cap space was bad right i don't know if i mentioned this i don't think i did but here's the extra cherry on top. This offseason, they're going to have negative 77 million in cap space. Delete the franchise. Start over.

That franchise needs to delete themselves. They need to just get rid of themselves. All right. Jesus, I'm so sorry. it's really no problem yeah well next we have the chicago bears who continue to skid a little bit after a really nice stretch um of three straight games where caleb williams was playing out of his mind. Now we're seeing the other extreme where he looks really bad. And there's a lot of factors that could go into it as well. Number one is the most likely, I don't think he's ready yet.

I think this is another reason why I don't think quarterbacks should start, typically week one. It's very rare where you see a situation where a quarterback his first year is league ready and has the roster around him caleb williams does have the roster for the most part but i just don't think he's developmentally there and i think he will later on maybe one to two years from now. But this is just a year where it just doesn't look like he's completely there. He's shown flashes. I like what I've seen.

Clearly he's not there yet. Also, the coaching has been terrible. I don't know how they kept Matt Iverflus after getting a new quarterback. I don't know why they keep making this mistake, but they keep doing it. And worst case scenario, they could end up ruining him even if he was the guy. And I'm not trying to say that Caleb Williams shouldn't start.

They have a good enough team so that he can start week one. It's just that I don't think he's ready to be a contending quarterback. If he is an elite quarterback, we're going to see it a year from now, maybe two. That's if he is. But right now, even if he is, he's not there yet. Also, that offensive line is terrible. With the personnel that they've put around them from my understanding it seems that it's the interior that's the biggest issue

they had a pretty decent center and cody white here but they let him go they didn't do much to replace him and then they also nate davis the guard has been in years past been a very good guard he's not anymore so it seems like it's the interior that's the biggest issue um there's their tackle duo is fine braxton jones is a decent starting level left tackle, which is pretty valuable because usually starting level tackles don't exist. You don't see many of them. Darnell Wright is a pretty good right tackle. They just, they have some things to work on. So this off season, they better be busy. They better fire Matt Eberflus. They better work on the interior of that offensive line. And I still believe in Caleb Williams. Clearly he's not as far as I thought he would be along this year. So there's the takeaway there. Could the Bears still be competitive? Yeah.

But this is the problem. A lot of rookies experience turbulence. That's what we're seeing from Caleb Williams. It shouldn't be a surprise. It shouldn't draw conclusions that he's a bust. It just means that he's not there yet. If he will get there, maybe he doesn't, but if he is, that doesn't mean because he's struggling now that he won't pan out later on down the road. All right. Last team.

The Vegas Raiders. Oh, boy. um all right last team ah the vegas raiders oh boy a team that has sold off most of their pieces and then got dunked on by the very desperate cincinnati bangles who are just hungry for wins after an abysmal start to the season. I don't know what to say about this team. They keep on players on the roster who don't want to be there. Max Crosby. And they allow their head coach. I'm not saying I disagree with him, but when you constantly call out your own roster to the media saying they're all making business decisions,

I'm not saying I disagree with you. I'm just saying you need to keep your relationship with the players true you need to there needs to be some sort of balance i'm not saying that you let them do what they're doing but you have to try and kind of yeah it's a lot needs to be about it to the media you say it to them you talk to them you tell them look that what happened was thing. You don't say it to the media. You say it to them. You talk to them. You tell them, look, that what happened was not good. You don't go to the media and rant about your own players to the public. Now everybody knows that you don't have a good locker room, which is not good for you, especially if you did it week one.

Amen. What a way to start off. Holy crap, is that dumb. That was so funny. But, Adam. It was a funny quote. I mean, he's like's like oh we got some players out here making business decisions like oh my god but yeah adam two things so one this loss resulted in them cleaning house on the offensive side of the ball they got rid of their offensive coordinator luke getze, who probably had a job as beyond me.

I don't remember their names, but their quarterbacks coach and their offensive line coach have also been fired. And it's so bad that you have to bring in like Norv Turner as like a consultant kind of guy to help get something out of the offense. And second, as of right now, as of our recording, it is 4.01 p.m. The trade deadline is over. Yep, I saw. So that's it. Trade deadline passed. Nothing's going to happen from when we publish to now. I hope.

There you go. Yeah. All right. so i hope there you go um yeah all right that's all the scheduled content we have for today but do you have any other thoughts uh no yeah i have nothing either uh my patriots are going to get mac jo' force of habit. They're going to get Drake May killed. Probably, yes. The objective A right now for the Patriots, if anybody cares about the opinion for the team that I am a fan of, they need to survive this season.

Drake May has to survive healthy. If they get him seriously injured, then it sets their rebuild back for a very long time. All right. Well, that'll do it for us tonight. Thank you for listening to us. We have new episodes out Tuesdays at 7.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel.

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