The Fumblerooski Podcast - Niners' Dig for Gold - Ep 17 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

Two major trades involving the Dolphins, 49ers, and Eagles completely shake up the first round of the NFL draft. How does this move affect these teams? We analyze how these moves may affect several different teams. We also share our thoughts on the NFL's announcement of extending the NFL season to 17 games. We discuss all of these topics in Episode 17 of The Fumblerooski Podcast.

Good evening, you are listening to the Fumble Roostie podcast by Power 88 Dean Radio. So strap in, because we are in for a wild ride. I am Adam Wright, your host, along with co-host Justin Tucker, the trusty steed. Now, we had a couple trades that went down, a lot of big trades that have shaken up the entire first round of the NFL Draft, at least the entire first half. We also have at the end, we're going to touch on this at the end of the episode, but there was a massive change in the schedule. We now have a 17th game, so we will touch on that. But first, in addressing these trades that have all revolved around Miami, we have brought in our favorite Dolphins fan, Sean Howe. Sean,

how are you doing today? I'm doing fantastic. How are you guys? We're doing great. Just swell. All right. We're going to get right into it. All right. Now, to go into these trades, the first one happened, and it was between the 49ers and the Dolphins. The 49ers wound up trading up to get the number three pick. To do that, they traded to the Dolphins. The 49ers wound up trading up to get the number three pick. To do that, they traded to the Dolphins the number 12 pick that they had in this year's draft, two future first-round picks, and a third-round pick. Just a few minutes later, a second trade happens. The Dolphins, they trade back up from number 12, the pick that they had just required from the 49ers. They get the number six pick from the Eagles. In exchange,

the Eagles get number 12 and a future first round pick. One of the first round picks that they acquired from the 49ers. And they also get a late pick. And so does the Dolphins, but that's not too relevant. Now, this affects a few teams, and throughout this episode, we are going to go into just how this affects each team that we are going to talk about. We are going to dive right into this. This has a lot of different strings that it pulls, and to start off, we are going to go to the 49ers, who trade up to the number three pick, and they give the Dolphins an absolute haul, three first-round picks for it, and a third-round pick. Now, guys, does this guarantee that the 49ers are drafting a quarterback?

Justin. Okay. At this point in time, I think, yeah, it's kind of obvious it's a quarterback. I don't think there's, like, a transcendent edge rusher in the first round, like a Chase Young last year or a Miles Garrett that everybody's like dying to have with like the third or fourth pick. I think some of the pass rushers you'll see will come down later in the draft. So I don't think it's that.

A transcendent left tackle, no. They just re-signed Trent Williams and they have Mike McGlinchey on the right side. So I don't see any particular reason for that. And I don't really want to take any of the wide receivers in one of the top three picks. So as usual, it most likely will be a quarterback in this case. And I think it's going to be Mac Jones. Sorry, Patriots fans. But yeah, I think the 49ers like him way more than most of the other talents at quarterback other than Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson,

because they'll be gone before they can pick. And so, yeah, I think they'll move up to try to get him before anybody else can. And that'll be the quarterback of the future. What happens to Jimmy Garoppolo remains to be seen. I think this is a step for the future down the future what happens to jimmy garoppolo remains to be seen i think this is a step for the future down the line than it is right now right now i'm with you on that i think if they're going to draft a quarterback with the number three pick you you can just look down the down the history of these massive trade draft trades going leading up to the draft, when they give up this much to trade up this high, it's usually to take a quarterback.

And that happens to be something that the 49ers do need. Now, I think the biggest question is who they're going to wind up drafting rather than if they're going to draft a quarterback. Now, you say Mac Jones. That's most likely going to happen based on past reports that's going on. But there's also Trey Lance they could take there's also justin fields that i've you and i justin have we've talked a lot off camera we agree that's what they should take but what they're going to end up taking might end up being mac jones but after after a pro day that he had it may not be so certain you know um so justin fields he lit it up during his pro day via uh i

believe it was today or yesterday um and then mac jones didn't mac jones wasn't so hot so you know maybe it isn't we'll see what happens but you know it's all a matter of which quarterback they take all right so sean what are your thoughts? I have to agree with both you guys. I think they're definitely going to take quarterback. I mean, they gave away a lot to Miami. And there's no reason you would give away that much unless you were trying to take a player that you knew was going to go early. I also agree they're going to go with Mac Jones.

You know, I don't know why. I personally would have gotten Justin Fields, but that's their choice. I think they're going to go with Mac Jones, I don't know why. I personally would have gotten Justin Fields, but that's their choice. I think they're going to go with Mac Jones. I think they really liked him, and I think Jimmy G might have a different future ahead of him. Right. Jimmy G is possibly going to have a new team, and we will touch on that later on in the show.

But moving on to your Miami your miami dolphins sean they move up to number six the number six overall pick after trading back from number three so all this movement in just in just a matter of minutes you have to wonder what they're up to so sean give us a brief analysis of what you think they're up to right now well Well, when I saw the first trade come across, I was a little concerned thinking, you know, classic Miami fashion. We're looking too far ahead and not at what's right in front of us. Team at one game went away from the playoffs last year. Why are we going to look that far ahead? Then I saw the second trade come across and I realized that front office finally knows exactly what they're doing. I mean, we picked up a couple of first round picks for later on. We were able to move back up.

I definitely see us taking a wide receiver with that sixth pick. We didn't need the third pick. We can get exactly who we wanted, which I think is going to be Jalen Waddell. And then we have that later pick where we can take an offensive lineman. So we can definitely work on that old line. We can definitely pick up another weapon. Obviously the front office has shown has shown faith in tua i think he's going to be the face of the franchise for the next few seasons and we've lined ourselves up pretty good for the next two years even though we had to give back one of our first round picks to the eagles now we've got the first round pick next year we've got one with the two years from now and then we also have our own picks coming in obviously two years from now so we've set ourselves up quite nicely for future drafts as well as for this

year to come. So it looks pretty good on the horizon for us. Right. We are here with Sean Howe, lifelong Dolphins fan. I have to say it is interesting how they traded back to number 12 from number three and back to six. It tells me that they, they have, maybe they have their sights on somebody in this draft, and they felt like he was going to go later than six, later than three. And they were like, we don't need to pick this guy at number three if he's going to wind up last until six. So let's pick up a few more

assets in the process. So I think this is a great idea. I think an interesting thing to note is that the guy who is projected to be around that six spot, but not in the three spot, Jamar Chase. I think they're targeting Jamar Chase. I think they know that he's going to last longer than number three. And right around that sixth spot, they decide they want to take a few other assets at the same time. How many picks did they wind up with? They wound up with about three first-round picks in these couple of trades, and they get their guy at number six in Jamar Chase. So if they want to surround Tua and give him his shot, here it is. If they wind up with Jamar Chase, think about this for a second.

They already have Devontae Parker before this offseason. They had Mike Jasicki too as a tight end. this for a second they already have davante parker from the before this offseason they had mike joseki too as a tight end they signed will fuller and then they draft jamar chase like holy crap what an what an offense that uh two was going to be working with and if he and if he can't succeed in this offense then he can't succeed at all in this league that's just my basic two cents on this. Justin? I think this is a step in the right direction for Miami. I think they've made steps for right now and in the future. They'll have picks to build upon for hopefully Super Bowl success later on. Not going to happen, but they will have a chance to at least contend in the playoffs unlike last year I think they will have

a chance to draft a skill position for Tua I think they do need to add that one more piece I think Jamar Chase will fill in nicely I thought back way back when it could have been Devontae Smith but after his comments revolving around to it not really I don't think it's going to be him anymore so hopefully Jamar Chase will be there so he can be the number one receiver. And then Devontae can be the number two to get all the tough catches and Jamar can get all the backyard catches and hopefully make Tua to be a little more successful in his second year than his first year was. Great job on Miami.

Right. I think we can all stand in agreement, Sean, even as a Patriots fan, that good move by Miami. I think Jamar Chase is one of those players who's extremely underrated at this point, where just Devontae Smith, the Heisman winner, the comments that he's made, he's been kind of in the, in the spotlight. And I think everybody's just forgetting how good Jamar Chase is and how great of a ride receiver school LSU really is. I mean, go, go down the list just from last year, Justin Jefferson, he bursts onto the scene. He gets 1400 yards and he gets seven touchdown pat touchdown catches and before that Jarvis Landry Odell Beckham Jr you know that's just that's a wide receiver uh that's a wide receiver uh school

I mean so is Alabama but you know one guy weighed in at 170 pounds the other one Jalen Waddell I personally think he's a bust so now you know this is one of the I don't know yeah the thing is is like either way Miami knew exactly what they were doing I mean the trades happened within what minutes of each other so they knew that they were going to be able to get back whatever they planned on originally drafting with that first pick so they knew in the end that this was going to work out in their favor they got picks for later on they were still able to get back to where they pretty much started yeah we're three picks down but we traded with a team that's obviously we just as we discussed is looking to take a quarterback most likely the two teams ahead of them probably are going to go for

offensive linemen so really they pretty much are going to get whoever they want the only reason that i said waddle over chase is uh we're currently hurting for a returner and i know waddle kind of specialized in that and speed over jamar chase so i feel like that could also help us out because we were pretty weak in that field as well because there's also the special teams aspect of it where we did struggle a little bit so i feel like they're looking at both pieces rather than just as an offensive weapon as a loan just put that kentucky player back there yeah that's true too it's a possibility but i i don't i mean i'm bothered that any team would try and take it would try and take and address special teams at the number six pick no i'm just

saying the he can do what we need him to do on the offense. But special teams, obviously, I mean, it's important where you start with the ball. And I just think a team that needs someone back there, I mean, our returns last year weren't exactly anything spectacular. So it could definitely help us there. And I think helping all three aspects of the game at this point are to get us over that final hurdle, to get us into the playoffs. I mean, we had everything we needed last year to get into the playoffs and everything went against us. Any little piece will help us get there. Pick returner or it's,

you know, a wide receiver or somebody who can do both. It'll be that piece we need to get to the playoffs, which is the first step to getting better. We are joined by Sean Howe. He is a lifelong Miami Dolphins fan. We're talking about, we are going on about the Miami Dolphins in this trade. So now going on to another team that was also involved in this trade, that this affects

very strongly, the Philadelphia Eagles. Now what they do is they were originally what they were originally with this number six pick that we've been talking about. They had a high pick and they kind of retreat. They trade back to the number 12, 12 overall pick and they collect a future first round pick overall. Now this is a bit of a this is a bit of a blunt question but do the eagles know what the hell they're doing at this point yes and no i think they're just moving back in the draft to get capital, but at the same time, why are they doing that? They need

talent now. I think you can do that with the number six overall pick. I don't understand why you're going to number 12 when there are much more valuable players that you could get with the number six pick. Hopefully at the number 12 pick, they might be interested in getting a tackle because as much as I like Jason Peters, he's done for uh it's just that simple uh so hopefully they get a tackle to replace him sooner rather than later um i think they're just trying to amass picks so they can either trade back and hopefully get more assets for like later drafts or maybe trade back into the first round and getting more players but outside of that I don't know why they would do that it's a tough situation they're kind of hard to tell at this point they're kind of a dumpster fire when it comes to I don't want to

count the front office they can say that they're trying to count this season out yet but it seems like they're very much preparing for the road ahead of them next year than they are right now. I mean, they picked up a first-round draft pick next year, so obviously they'll have a couple picks next year to play with. But I don't know what they're trying to accomplish this year by working backwards in a team that, as Justin said, needs talent now. It's weird what they're doing doing and I'm not sure why

all right now they had the number six pick in the draft and this high in the draft there's a lot of talent out there there's a new quarterback they could have taken there's two wide receivers out there and and Devante Smith and Jamar Chase. Even Jalen Waddell, who they could have taken. You know, there's all this talent up here in the draft, and they trade back. You know, look at the draft projections on just about any this year, or just about any mock draft right now. Who are they going to pick at number 12? Who can they pick at number 12?

You had the pick, you had the number six pick, and you had the chance to draft Jamar Chase or Devontae Smith, address a real need and surround Jalen Hurts with some real talent. And what do you do? You retreat and you go back and you collect another asset? To me, this tells me that they're kind of just scared all right they don't know they don't want to mess up so they just want to pick up assets for next year's draft and trade back so that there's lower expectations they can look forward they can look back towards next next year's draft and they don't have to worry about the number six pick and now you have now the dolphins have it they're gonna draft Jamar Chase or some other talented player,

and they're going to be sitting here twiddling their thumbs, wondering how they can play not to lose. All right? The Dolphins right now, as much as I hate the Dolphins as a Patriots fan, they're going for it right now. They're going for it. They're saying, screw it, let's go for the win. The Eagles, they're just playing not to lose.

They don't want egg in their faces. They don't want that publicity. They've already faced some issues late in the season, this whole controversy with their coach. They had to fire Doug Peterson. This is a whole thing where they don't know what they they're doing and they're afraid to mess up. They've gotten gun shy and they're going to pass on Jamar Chase. Who are they going to draft? Kyle Pitts? When you have Dallas Goddard? If Kyle Pitts even winds up falling there. But, you know, there's not much over there that they actually need with that number 12 pick. And yes, they pick up a first round next year, but you're just prolonging the inevitable.

And who'd they get that first round pick from? The 49ers. Do you think the 49ers are going to be that bad that that pick is going to be high? Absolutely not. This is an absolute—I don't know what the hell to think about this Eagles team. There's a reason why they only have one Super Bowl victory in their entire existence because they are a dumpster fire of a franchise. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

First off, I wonder who they got that against. Second off, wait a minute. You better watch your mouth, Justin. Wait, we're not going to just disrespect them. We're not going to be flagrant with them. I will say this. Nick Foles is who they got them against. The point is they do have a Super Bowl ring on their resume,

so let's give them their credit. But I do question on their just, like, what are they doing? Because as much as I like what Philly is doing, they don't even know if they even want Jalen Hurts at their quarterback spot. They need a number one wide receiver. I think that's very apparent. If you saw the way the Eagles were, they don't have a true number one receiver, even though I do like Jalen Rager. I think he's going to be the number two where they should have drafted a number one. They won't be able to draft a number one because I don't think Devontae Smith, Jamar Chase, or Jalen Mott will last that long. Their first-round pick next year won't be too good because the 49ers will not be as bad as they were this year

because I believe everybody else will be healthy. The 49ers are going to be good next year. Yeah, I think they're going to make the playoffs if everybody can stay healthy. I thought their draft pick for 2022 2022 was is it the 49ers i thought it was the other one i thought it was our original pick is it the 49ers pick it no matter what i believe both of them no but i feel like that makes a huge difference if you're picking late in the first round with the potential playoff team versus the 49ers who probably won't fall as deep. But I think both will make the playoffs. Either way, it's a setback.

I mean, they're going to be farther behind the eight. They're not going to get a top ten pick out of it. So it's, you know, what are they trying to accomplish from it? Not only will they not get a top ten pick, they probably won't address any of the necessary needs like cornerback or wide receiver. And it's not a very good situation right now for Jalen Hurts. And he really didn't need a number one receiver. I mean, just ask anybody in their second year once they had a number one receiver.

Josh Allen looked phenomenal once he had a number one receiver. Deont Jury Hopkins helped make Kyler Murray that much better with a number one wide receiver. That's kind of how these things work. And I think they made a huge mistake not giving him that weapon this year. And I think they will try to draft another quarterback next year when Jalen Hurts doesn't have the necessary weapons to compete, and they'll probably bench him sooner rather than later. They don't know what the hell they're doing.

And for someone who's saying that you that you you like what they're doing you sure aren't showing a lot of optimism in what they're doing either all right i like the past few seasons i mean they got miles sanders so they know talent when they see it this first round pick is in the middle of the first round of the draft this year right now 12 it's at number 12 it's towards the middle of the draft okay this first that first round pick next year the 49ers are not going to be bad enough they're not going to be they're probably going to be good next year so that pick is probably going to wind up towards the bottom half of the first round. So you just traded the number six pick for two picks that are okay first round picks. But you could have just stuck with that high pick and taken a Jamar Chase, a legitimate weapon. And if Jalen Hurts doesn't work out, that's fine.

Go to next year's draft. But now, look where you are now look where they are now they're they're not they're screwed and i was i was gonna say what says you know based on how they're gonna finish next year they could have ended up finishing with a higher draft pick now who knows where that draft pick's gonna fall yeah so it's like what what are they trying to accomplish right now, I guess, is the question. Like, do they know what they're trying to accomplish as an organization right now? Because it doesn't seem clear.

Yeah. I need more clarity about it. I have no idea what they're – I don't think they know what they're trying to accomplish right now, quite frankly. You know, they have – what do they have on that roster at all? You know, they have Jalen Hurts, okay. They have Jalen Hurts, who they're not even sure of. They have Dallas Goddard, who they're also not sure of because they may be taking Kyle Pitts. And I like Kyle Pitts.

I just don't think he's a need for that team. Out of all the needs that they have, they managed to choose. They managed, and I don't want to get them in trouble for something I haven't done yet, but they would manage to pick one position where they don't actually need. They have wide receiver, everywhere on defense, offensive line, and you decide for tight end? Yeah.

Give me a break. Not that he'll even last that long anyway. Kyle Pitts? I don't think he's making it to 12. To number 12? Right. So what are they going to take? Like, really?

Seriously, what are they going to take? A tackle? I mean, sure. But I think they could use, you know, you have a flashy potential star in Jamar Chase. You have another guy if you don't – if for some reason you don't like Jamar Chase, you could take Devontae Smith, the Heisman winner. You could take Jalen Waddle. He may not even last that long.

And I don't really like Jalen Waddle. But if any of those players fall to number 12, it's going to be Jalen Waddell. And if Jalen Waddell falls there, I'm sorry. I hate to be the – we haven't seen him. If he winds up being good, then I'll admit I'm wrong. But if they're going to rely on Jalen Waddell to be a star, then they're screwed. You are way too hard on Jalen Waddell. You are way too hard. I'm not hard on Jalen Waddell. You are way too hard.

Jalen Waddell. I'm not a big Jalen Waddell fan. I just – he hasn't done – he hasn't done anything, really. He has some nice punt returns, but that's about it. I mean, look at that Alabama wide receiver tree he was under. Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs, Devontae Smith. I mean, he's arguably the fourth best receiver out of those four. And he's still a first-round talent,

which just still says how talented that receiving core was. If he's such a star, then why hasn't he been able to at least hold his own? He really hasn't. I haven't seen it. You can't see it in the stats. Because he got injured this season. If you actually look at the stats when healthy, I think he had 22 yards per reception, which is actually pretty good.

That has something to do with it. That's part of it, his being able to stay on the field. And, you know, he's a senior at this point so he's played all of these years and he hasn't been able to make an impact really at all i think you're being way too harsh as far as i can say i really think you're gonna give him a chance you gotta give him a chance like i said if if i, I'm wrong. But I just don't like Jalen Waddell. If we're picking out of Jamar Chase, Devontae Smith, and Jalen Waddell, which one of those receivers is going to be a bust, it's Jalen Waddell.

Nine times out of ten. Of course, because it's Jamar Chase and Devontae Smith. I mean, you can't argue with the stats. There's a slight chance that Devontae Smith at 170 pounds becomes. That's the nine times where that comes. Now, we are with Sean Howe, the lifelong Dolphins fan. We are going on about this this trade and he joins us now going on to the next team that or several there could be several teams that this affects but

there's been a lot of talk about Jimmy Garoppolo and before this trade in fact and now that this trade happens and a lot and it's widely considered, in fact, almost guaranteed that the 49ers are going to take a quarterback, it raises a lot more questions about Jimmy Garoppolo and his availability. A team that he's been linked to has been the New England Patriots. Now, he could be traded somewhere else, but he's been widely rumored to go there. Now, do these two trades make Jimmy Garoppolo available now to be traded in the future? In the future, yes.

As of right now, no. If we're all in agreement that they're going to pick a quarterback right now, I think he's safely assured that he'll at least play this season. Because I think they'll probably want to make him a bridge quarterback to where, let's say, Mac Jones will learn under him and develop as a player and hopefully get better. And then over time, he'll take over the starting position. And then they'll trade Jimmy Garoppolo with his contract to somewhere like, let's say, the Patriots, for an example. Because after Cam Newton's contract is done, because it's only a year contract, they'll be looking for another quarterback again. So they'll probably just try to take Jimmy Garoppolo with his contract. And they still might be a playoff team, because I think that'll be an upgrade at quarterback. So I think he will be available in the near future, not now currently.

Sean? I was going to say, I think he's going to stick around at least a couple more seasons. I don't think they're going to throw Mac Jones in there like that. I think they're going to keep him. Again, like you were saying, Cam Newton's contract is only one year. So who knows if New England makes a move or if another team makes a move on him in a couple seasons to come. But I think for now he's going to sit put. Now, this move – yeah, so this move, the writing's on the wall long term.

Jimmy Garoppolo, whether it's in the near future or in the distant future, he's gone because they're going to take this quarterback. They obviously have the intentions at number the number three pick to start this kid whether it's uh whether it's this season or in a in a season or two he's going to wind up starting the writing's on the wall long term it's a the big question i guess the the the question is will he be available So it's a matter of whether he'll be available in the near future. And I think it's unlikely, but I also think with how they continuously try to say, Jimmy Garoppolo isn't available, Jimmy Garoppolo isn't available, Jimmy Garoppolo's our guy.

That's BS, okay? Because you just traded up to number three three and you're going to tell me that jimmy garoppolo is still your guy no he's not you obviously made this trade because you want to go for a quarterback shanahan wants his guy all right that's what he's wanted for a long time he's never drafted a quarterback out of the first round this – he just started becoming a coach. He wants to get an established guy, be like the Bill Belichick to whoever this kid's Tom Brady is. And by doing this, I think they're just putting up a front to say like, okay, who's going to be stupid?

Are the Jets just going to get stupid? Are the Patriots just going to get stupid? Are the Patriots just going to get stupid? They already are. What do you mean? The Jets. Exactly. So that's why they're doing it, I think. It's to kind of say, OK, let's sit here.

Let's just say Jimmy Garoppolo is not available. And also, while simultaneously trading up here maybe a team is going to get stupid and they trade they trade a big haul for this quarterback and they wind up and they wind up trading him anyways but at the same time they could also they could also be actually just holding on to him this this 49ers team is built to win now, just looking at the defense, the offensive weapons that they have, the offensive line. That whole team, all they need is the quarterback. And Jimmy Garoppolo is the guy to plug in there and everything just functions right. And if they really want to have this kid sit for a year while jimmy garoppolo

takes them to contention and maybe a super bowl again they already did it once all right they could do that they could do that again for one season and have this kid sit and then jimmy garoppolo's out of there he they trade him. They transition into this new quarterback, and that could be how this whole thing transpires. The Kansas City Chiefs did it earlier on, and I believe it was 2016. They drafted in the 2016 draft. No, it was the 2017 draft. They drafted Patrick Mahomes. They had Alex Smith starting over him for a year alex smith

gets booted he goes to washington and meanwhile the 40 the meanwhile patrick mahomes mvp caliber season 50 50 touchdown passes 5 000 yards could be something like that now it's just a matter of whether or not they can hit on this pick because it's it says a it's a it's a big if if they can get a Patrick Mahomes even half of Patrick Mahomes to be honest well do they so you know are they going to go with that approach where they're going to take him for a year or are they going to take what Miami did last year which I remember with Fitzpatrick where they'll leave Jimmy G in there until they think Mac Jones is ready and then make the transition mid-season because the original plan down in Miami was before the bye weeks got all switched up was Fitzpatrick was going to play into the bye

and then if Tua was ready they were going to install Tua and make the transition and run with Tua and keep Fitzpatrick as a backup until the end of the season at which we determined you know Tua is the guy and we let Fitzpatrick go. Is that something we're seeing here? Are they going to wait, try and put Mac Jones in there, see how he does before they officially say, hey, we're ready to let you go? Or are they going to go with the one-year thing like you were saying? I guess it's a risk-reward they want to take.

It's possible. But when has it ever worked out legitimately with a rookie quarterback I'm not saying it's going to work out what I'm saying is like maybe they want to try him out in like maybe they try to put him in you know they put him in now they have the option to say okay he's clearly not ready let's put Jimmy G back in you know and it just gives them a baseline of where they want to start for next year because you also don't want to assume that a rookie's going to be ready and then he's not ready and it gives them a baseline it also depends on your definition of success because the 2018 Ravens made the playoffs and it was with the rookie Lamar Jackson

so it really depends that wasn't prime Lam Lamar Jackson. You can see a clear difference between 2018 Lamar Jackson and 2019 Lamar Jackson. Yeah, but at the same time, he was still plugged into play and he still succeeded with a six and one record. He'll absolutely, you know, he'll get better, obviously, over the first offseason. Most rookies do. They go into their first full year of training camp. What I'm saying is you'll see the potential is their potential there like a lot of people say too what the potential isn't there and a lot of people argue it is but miami's front office thinks it's there and so they let fitzpatrick go they said we don't need you anymore but they had him around at the time that they were trying to figure out if his potential was there just in case it

wasn't they resigned fitzpatrick letpatrick, let Tua go, whatever. You know, Deshaun Watson was at one point in the conversation of a trade with Miami. Obviously, Houston's holding out on him. So it's a matter of does San Francisco feel comfortable with whoever they're pulling in, or do they want to try him out a little bit before they fully let Jimmy G go and commit to this?

Because committing to a quarterback is a hard decision for any team to make. It's possible I mean yeah now like to give him reps like to that extent just give him some reps see if see what he's got that makes sense I just hope I just don't want him to get hurt all right like you know you you this guy is your number three number three pick the franchise he's your he's your future and um you don't want to overwork it now well you hope i understand now like the reality is most the vast majority in fact there's never been a quarterback to lead a team to in his rookie season to a super bowl there's only been two who have who have in their first starting, have ever won a Super Bowl. Can you guess those players?

First year starting. Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner. First year starting. I can't guess the second one off the top. Are you talking about Tom Brady? It rhymes with Tom Grady. I just said Tom Grady.

Tom Grady. Two players ever to win in their first year starting, and none have ever won in their rookie years. All right. Now, but the second years, the second years are where players in the league is where players absolutely explode. Carson Wentz, his rookie year, he wasn't – it was all potential from him. Second year, MVP candidate. Jared Goff could barely throw the football.

Next year, he's – next year, legitimate starting quarterback. Year after that, MVP candidate. Patrick Mahomes didn't start his first year. Second year, legitimate starting quarterback. Year after that, MVP candidate. Patrick Mahomes didn't start his first year. Second year, MVP. Lamar Jackson, he was mainly a running back almost. He barely threw the ball. Second year, massive leap, unanimous MVP. First year, Tom Brady didn't start. Second year, he wins his first Super Bowl,

he bursts onto the scene. It's always that second year. And you have to be careful with how you treat your rookie quarterback because you don't want to ruin him. Yeah, it's that first offseason where they finally get adjusted to the program and get to get that first, like, full experience, because you'll notice that with every quarterback that's come through. The second year is always better, but I feel like there's things that front offices look for to see potential in players, because it's, I don't want to say it's easy, but you can tell, like, what a player's, what you can work on, and then things that just aren't going to change about a player, and I think that's what Miami did with Tua and I think that's what San Francisco might do here with Matt Jones you go okay yes he is a perfect fit you know we're going

to work with him this offseason we're going to let Jimmy G go we see he can do what we want him to do we just got to get him there or no he can't do what we want him to do we're going to trade him away get some draft picks out of him and re-sign jimmy g you know and i think it comes down to is he what they're looking for or can they mesh him into the quarterback they're looking for right we're we certainly hope that you know if imagine this winds up being a massive this guy winds up being a bust and they traded all these plus yeah that would be it'd be reminiscent to when the redskins traded up to get rg3 they traded all that draft capital to get rg3 and rg3 winds up being a bust i mean his rookie year he did help the team get to the playoffs he was never the same after that knee injury it really is unfortunate what happened to him.

There was a lot of other players. The Jets traded up for Sam Darnold. We still don't know what Sam Darnold is, by the way. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, two other players that teams traded up for. They're doing okay. They've had some success here and there, but that is something to pay attention to. Teams that trade up this far and give up this much to go up and take a quarterback high, it's not much of a track record.

I believe it was Field Yates who pointed that out. All right. Now, we're going to go a little bit away. We're going to go away from the trades that happened. We're going to go away from the draft, and we're going to talk about the NFL season, and the NFL has announced that they have extended their season to 17 regular season games. They'll be taking away one preseason game. Now, there's been a lot of mixed reviews about this from around the league, from players, fans, media members alike. Now, what do you guys think of this?

I personally don't like it because I'm still trying to figure out how will all of this work i'm usually used to seeing like 16 games as as much as i want to see a 17th game if i'm in the position like the dolphins uh last year where i have to at least win the game to at least maintain i'm not i'm not really too much happy about it because you can always lose and there goes your playoff spot so I'm like why not just keep it a 16 game and give

us a week off I'm not sure how will this work will we get two weeks off or will it just be the regular one bye week they already said there was no extra bye week and also like Will it just be the regular one bi-week? They already said there was no extra bi-week. Well, there's that. And also, like, it's just weird.

Like, 10-7, 9-8, 16-1. Adam was pointing these things out to me. It's like it sounds wrong when you're thinking about it now. And there's players in the league right now that don't necessarily like the idea of playing 17 games because we agreed to 16 when we signed the contracts. 12 and 5. I mean, I just think it opens a can of worms that shouldn't have to be opened. 13 and 4. Doesn't that just bother you?

It's okay. Deep breaths. Like the thought of 10-7 on a record. There's no more 8-8. It's either 8-9 or 9-8. 9-8. 4. If you win 16 games, that doesn't mean you're undefeated anymore it means you have a

big fat loss just think about that for a second no and i and i think it you know it's weird and it's interesting but it also opens up what happens to salaries now you know you told this player like justin was saying you're you know we're signing you for 25 million to play 16 games so do you now pay them extra do you pay them the same and space out their paycheck and now what happens to salary cap so if you have to you know pay them more and teams start going over the salary cap because they're told you know oh you have to pay them for the extra week now what happens is the salary cap goes. I really think this has just opened a lot of conversations that are going to have to happen before the season, or otherwise you're going to have salary cap problems,

players saying they're not making enough. So it just opened up a can of worms that I think they shouldn't even have gone near, touched anywhere close to. They should have let it be 16 games was enough. I don't see why they decided to open this can of worms, but they did. That's a very good point. We're here with Sean Howe. He's a lifelong Miami Dolphins fan. He's our personal friend. Now, looking at, looking at this NFL season being extended there are so many there's now look i'm there i'm i'm very on the fence about this it's either that now there's some great there's some very good things about this where

you get more football of course and there's more there's more of a chance for teams to make make the playoffs now on the other side there's, there's some bad things about this, where the NFL, this creates higher risk of injury, because now players have to play a full 17 games rather than 16. This could shorten players' careers in a way. I wonder if this will make a difference, that one extra game. But teams play 16 games a week, and that extra – every game counts because those are such – there's only a few NFL weeks. There's only 16.

Now there's 17. And that's another thing to add on is that now that there's more games, the games don't have quite as much meaning. It's always a playoff battle. And I wonder if this is going to affect the competitiveness early on in the season where they're just like, oh, we have a full 17 games. We have an extra game to make it in. You know, it may not make that big of a difference, but it could show a little bit if the NFL season is getting extended. I mean, I love having the extra football, don't get me wrong,

but there could be some extra repercussions to this. I never even thought about your point, Sean, to say, you know, that this could affect their salaries too because maybe they want, I mean, I wonder if that's going to be spread out throughout the games a little more or, you know, we don't know. Maybe they want to be paid extra now or maybe the salary cap goes up because now players want to get paid more and they can't pay them more because there's the salary cap and they want to be paid to play that extra game.

Like this season, the way it is, it's a grind's a grind. It, you know, there's a reason why there's a whole injury report where players are dealing with injuries throughout the season. It's because NFL football's tough and now they have to play an extra game of it and they're going to want to get paid a little more. And on top of that, they may, they might make the playoffs and a team that wins the Superbowl or goes to the Superbow Bowl, they're going to wind up playing 20 games in a season where they're going to have to give it their all. It's just – I don't know how I feel about it. I love it and I also hate it.

And I guess that's the way I'll say about that. I did see a thing earlier that was mentioning that if the league is going to do this they might as well just make the playoffs have eight teams instead of seven and have no buys and they should if they're going to extend the season they should allow another team in uh I was listening to that earlier on somebody else's show so I don't know if they're going to go that way but i was listening to that so i don't know how much the nfl is planning on changing i don't know you know obviously we already talked about the salary cap and stuff but it's like are they going to add another team to the playoffs i mean they did it last year and as we saw this what was it super wild card super wild card weekend or whatever was you know it went well

and so is there an argument for another team to be added to the playoffs, or do they leave that the way it is, or do they go for a complete overhaul? They should keep the playoffs. That's a different argument to be had, but I think they should – I mean, to touch on that real quick, they should absolutely keep the playoffs how they are. No, people were just bringing it up relevant to the Week 17 conversation of if we're adding this, should we add another team? Which is another conversation that the NFL might have to have with its players too.

They already have seven, which I think right now is a little too much. I like two teams having a bye. I don't know. Maybe I just like things staying the same, but I do like – it's a big – it's more of a fight in the regular season fight for the playoff spot and playoff seeding rather than some crummy wildcard round where it's the 10-7 Cleveland Browns versus the 11-6 – God, the 11-6 New England Patriots, you know? Like, I just don't want to see that. I want to see late regular season fights. I 100% agree with you. It was something I came across where everyone's like, well, if they're doing this, you know, they're opening this can of worms.

Should they go there? And I was just curious what you guys thought. I bet you wish it was, A, so the Dolphins can make the playoff. Listen, that was last year i'm we're moving past that it honestly even if we made the playoffs we would have had to play patrick holmes and i don't know how that would have went so y'all would have been the seventh seed and y'all probably would have been we would have been the eighth seed it would have been the last seed yeah would. Would have faced the Ravens. So maybe that would have been a free pass to the divisional round. Right?

Psych. We're killing them. We're killing them. Nope. Nope. Nope. We're winning that game. They're winning that game.

They're just not beating us. Absolutely not. We weren't going to win that. No, it's too bad as a rookie. We weren't. Three picks. The golden sombrero. Three interceptions.

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