The Fumblerooski Podcast - Not Dead Yet -Ep 403 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

On today’s episode, the Chiefs do it again and keep their season alive. Have they cracked the code to beat the Colts? The Cowboys come back down 21 and beat the Eagles at home, continuing their home... dominance at home against NFC East teams, as well as peeping through the playoff window. The Bears are 8-3 and at the top of the NFC North, while the Ravens take control of the AFC North. Bucs are at rock bottom, but the Panthers help them out by not showing up offensively on Monday Night Football. Chris Costich, CJ Medeiros, and Justin Tucker talk all this and more!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode, the Chiefs keep their playoff hopes alive and get the win against the Colts and comeback fashion. The Bears hold on to the NFC North lead beating the Steelers. And thanks to that, the Ravens have now taken the lead in the AFC North. Sunday night football, Stafford Pads is MVP case and the bucks while they're in trouble. And the Cowboys, 21 point comeback to get the win over the. Eagles. After that, a recap of Monday night football in top three, bottom three. This is the Pumbaruski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws, back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fulmuriski podcast by Power 88, Dean Radio, and Secret Weptain Consulting. We got C.J. Medeiros, Justin Tucker, Adam Wright in the back. I'm Chris Costich, week 12, not officially in the books. Still got Monday night football later tonight. Panthers and Niners are, well, already happened from when you're listening, but we'll be recapping that later on in the show.
Starting point is 00:01:19 But let's start with our Ruski game of the week, the Chiefs, and the Colts. And the beginning of this game, it looks like the Colts had this in the bag. and all of those dome team allegations were going to go to waste, a.k. myself, I was getting ready to take that back. But the Chiefs down in this game, a huge second half, including a fourth quarter where they outscored Indianapolis 11 to nothing and then got the win 2320 in overtime. So the way that the standings look,
Starting point is 00:01:58 now in terms of the playoffs because of it. Patriots, because of the Colts losing, officially currently are holding the top seed in the AFC. The Chiefs currently are in 10th in the AFC behind the Texans and the Steelers. The bill is currently holding the last playoff spot at 7 and 4. The Steelers, Texans, and Chiefs all at 6 and 5. But all those teams currently, the teams are, above the Chiefs right now, currently holding the tiebreaker in terms of
Starting point is 00:02:32 win percentage in conference games because the Chiefs are at one and two Steelers and Texans, 2-1 and 3-1 respectively. Well, we knew that the Chiefs playoff hopes or the playoff percentages were going to be slim to none if they lost this game. And we were talking last week as well in terms of how, you know, if they lose that game against the Broncos, which they did, the chances of them winning the division are slim to none, never mind making the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:03:02 In this case, they're keeping the hopes alive in the fact that they could get a wild card spot. And Patrick Mahomes doing what Patrick Mahomes does, of course. Anyways, thoughts from you, fellas. We'll start with CJ. Well, Chris, well, you were concerned about your take about Indy being a dome team falling down. For me, my take about Indy looks alive and well. You remember what I said about how to beat them?
Starting point is 00:03:31 I literally said, sell out to stop the run every play. Sure, Daniel Jones is going to get some plays. He did have, you know, two touchdown passes. But it became clear, especially later in the game, that Kansas City stopped Jonathan Taylor. You know, he's held the 3.6 yards of carry, 58 yards on the ground on 16 carries. Because Kansas City, like, you could see every play. they were stacking the box. And sure, Daniel Jones, he's not terrible, at least anymore,
Starting point is 00:04:01 but Kansas City selling out to stop the run every play really hurt the Colts. So especially at the end of the game where you can see Kansas City mounting a comeback, right? And, you know, and the Colts won't play keepaway, you know, and just run Jonathan Taylor. No, stuff again and again and again. And I said that was going to be the key. You have to make Daniel Jones be. you. Granted, he almost did, but it's clear he just didn't have enough to get it done, especially in overtime. You know, every time they try to run with Jonathan Taylor, just there is nowhere for
Starting point is 00:04:36 him to go. And so, once again, I will say it, the key to stopping the Colts is make them beat you with Daniel Jones, because when Jonathan Taylor has an off day, the Colts do not win. And we have seen it now thrice. And as for Kansas City, like you said, they did keep their playoff hopes alive. That's good. And it's funny, though, they were, they dropped to 10th, actually, in the total AFC standings after winning that game, you know, because like you said, Pittsburgh, Houston, old tiebreakers. We'll see if that holds currently, uh, as of last night. I think they have a 56% shot to make the playoff. So it's still essentially a coin flip. That was one weird game. Does anyone else feel?
Starting point is 00:05:23 that the chiefs could have won this in regular in the before overtime when they got the ball to the one and yet somehow stalled out on offense no one else finds that weird i thought i thought that could have been the reason they could have lost that game and when the colts got the ball in overtime to start i was like well here we go let's see what the colts have and they got it to third and one i was like okay this should be easy to get i wouldn't have done a straight like draw i would done a talk or something like that but the chief sold out to stop the run they stopped the running now they got the ball back i was like the moment they got the ball back i was like this game is over and i turned to something else because i have no faith in the colts defense once they've
Starting point is 00:06:07 been on the field for that long against that player in patrick mahomes so i knew after the the end of the regular the end of regulation they got the ball in overtime i'm like they're getting they're winning this game because the colts did nothing on offense to score points Once that happened, I was like, this game, this game is over. They're going to win, and then they're going to move on. Patrick Mahomes didn't have his best game, but he did just enough to win them in the game. Kareem Hunt actually outplayed Jonathan Taylor had 80-something yards on the ground, like 84, 85, something like that. Kreme Hunt had over 100 yards on 30 carries.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Really? I stopped listening to 80-something, but I was like, damn, Kareem Hunt is actually looking like his prime version of Kareem Hunt. And then that Kansas City defense, say what you want. When they need to get the ball back, they can actually get the ball back for their offense. Not surprising, not shocking. I knew that the Colts had the potential to lose this game, even though they really shouldn't lose this game. Congrats to Kansas City and now it's done to move on to other teams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Yeah, CJ, you mentioned it's basically a coin flip in terms of the Chiefs making the playoffs real quick on your Jonathan Taylor take as well. In the three games that the Colts have lost, including yesterday, so Taylor ran for 58 yards on 16 carries this past week, 14 carries for 45 yards, no touchdowns against the Steelers, and then the Rams, which was their first loss of the season, 17 carries, 76 yards. yards, no touchdowns. So your key, keep them to under 80 yards, I guess. But to wrap it up in terms of the chiefs, you mentioned what was the percentage there, C.J., 56%, 54%. As of last night, I saw it on the NFL app for their playoff picture. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:10 And as we mentioned, you know, you look at the teams that are above the chiefs in the standings right now and just mentioned the Steelers and the Texans, the Bills, Jaguars, Chargers. The Chargers are falling apart. Jaguars don't know what team you get. They're 7 and 4 somehow. The Steelers, you're just expecting a collapse out of them. The Texans, they're hot with Davis Mills, but are they really going to make this big of a run with Davis Mills or whenever C.J. Straub comes back with Stroud to pick it up.
Starting point is 00:08:48 or is Strau going to pick up right where Davis-Mills left off? So that's, I mean, if you're the Chiefs, it's not a terrible spot to be in. You're six and five. You're a lot, like I said, playoff hopes are alive. Things are looking a little bit better than what they did at the end of last week against the Broncos. Anything else you guys want to touch on?
Starting point is 00:09:11 Nope. All right. We'll step aside when you come back. Bears getting the win against the Steelers. Caleb Williams showing out again with a three touchdown performance. This is the Bulmaruski podcast.
Starting point is 00:09:23 It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fulmbriski podcast.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Let's talk about the Bears. The Bears. 31 to 28 win against the Steelers. This is a bit of a weird one. I feel like that the Bears should have probably won this by a little bit more than what they ended up doing. But credit to Mason Rudolph and the Steelers kept it a game for as long as possible.
Starting point is 00:10:05 But we're going to keep it to the Bears for the moment. Caleb Williams, 19 for 35, three touchdowns, 239 yards. DJ Moore, been having a bit of a slow season, two touchdowns in this one. and common on guy how about him 12 carries 48 yards and a touchdown he was he was the lead back in this one over dandre swift bears are 8 and 3 top of the nfc north and seeing the way that some of these other teams in the nmc north are playing right now the lions are
Starting point is 00:10:42 the lions have kind of become a team where i don't know what to expect of the lion at this point. They lose 16-9 against the Eagles. They get taken to O.T. by the Giants this week. The Packers, their offense is sluggish. Josh Jacobs is hurt. Their defense is still really good. But the Packers have become a team where Jordan Love, it's Toyotathon, and Jordan Love is nowhere to be found. I'm liking the Bears right now to take the NFC North.
Starting point is 00:11:16 It's weird to say right now, but the Bears taking the division is seemingly a lot more likely than one would think. Tuck, we'll start with you. Yeah, it's looking more and more likely that the Bears, surprisingly, might take the NFC North away from the Lions, who we all thought would come out of the North as the prohibitive favorites. I thought the bears were still in the second year of Caleb Williams, the first year of Ben Johnson. I thought it might take a while for them to progress and actually get to the point where they are now. But I've been presently surprised. I didn't think they would be eight and three after 12 weeks, which is a credit to them.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Their defense is solid. Their offense is better than it was last year. Caleb Williams, I think, is better than last year. All around, all they needed was a quality head coach in order to turn this thing around. round. They have the talent. I'm not totally convinced of all of their weapons yet. I think they just need one more quality, like a true number one receiver because I'm not sure DJ Moore is that guy right now and maybe a little more help in the run game. But outside of that, I think next year, people are going to be more surprised about the bears because I think another year, another, like, another year of experience under this offense for Caleb Williams, I think the sky could be the limit. this year it's not totally unlikely based upon how the season is going for them to win the nfc north i don't see them just outright winning it because i still believe in detroit but it's not impossible not totally impossible so as of right now the bears i mean less off beat around
Starting point is 00:13:03 the bush they've been really good you know they're taking the nfc or at least the nmc north by storm their third in the overall playoff picture. However, I think it's important to admit that the odds makers don't really believe in them, if he can believe it. They only, despite being the third seed in the NFC and leading the NFC north, they only have a 62%
Starting point is 00:13:23 shot to make the playoffs. By the way, quick fix, Kansas City is actually at 54. The odds changed. It just looked. This is per NFL.com. And the Packers are still favored over them at 78%. Even the lions, even though right now they're out of the playoff picture. They're the eighth
Starting point is 00:13:38 seed they're at 76 so clearly not a lot of love for Chicago going on right there and I want to point out Chicago might be getting hot at the right time because when they beat Pittsburgh granted I think they let Pittsburgh hang around a little longer than they should have I think we all think that but this was I believe their first victory against a team above 500 this season or a team that's still above 500 so hats off to them they finally got over that hump that's huge But now what we have to look at is what's the remaining schedule, right? I have it up right now, if you don't already. I know.
Starting point is 00:14:20 I do. I have it up. So Friday, November 28th, they're going to the link. They're playing Philly. Then they're going to the tundra of Green Bay, Wisconsin. then they're hosting the Browns. Then you're hosting Green Bay. Then you're going to San Fran,
Starting point is 00:14:43 which I don't know what the hell to make of that team. Are they good or they not? They're injured, but sometimes they win. And then you're hosting Detroit. So you're running the gauntlet. Do I think they make the playoffs? I don't care if that 60-some odd percent says, I think they do.
Starting point is 00:14:59 But winning the NFC North, that's a different thing entirely. Yeah, I think that. problem you look at, especially with the bears in this upcoming schedule. I think the issue that you look at is how they performed against the Lions earlier this year. And since then, they haven't played competition that you would probably deem up to the level that the Lions are at. And as you mentioned, now you're going up against five teams in the next six weeks that are going to be playoff contenders in the Packers, the Lions, twice against the Packers, I should say, the Lions and the Niners. The only credit that you, or the only gift you really have
Starting point is 00:15:45 in the last six weeks is three of your last four games are at home. That's, that's probably the biggest gift that you can get at that point. And you mentioned the Lions having a higher shot. Their path is a little bit easier. They do have the Packers again at home. Then they got the Cowboys on Thursday night football, Rams on the road, Steelers at home. And then last two games on the road, Vikings, and as we mentioned, the Bears. So it's a bit of an easier path so I can see why the probability is a little bit more leaning to Detroit in that sense. But we've also seen Detroit not show up in some of these games
Starting point is 00:16:29 recently. As we mentioned already, only winning by just barely beating the Giants in O.T. this past weekend. Anything else we want to touch on from this? Not really, no. All right. So we'll look at the other side of
Starting point is 00:16:49 this for at least the AFC North. Talk about the Ravens. We'll just get right into it. Ravens getting their fifth straight win this week against the Jets. A bit of a, bit of a scary one, if you're a guy named Justin Tucker, getting the win 2317. But a win, a win, a win tuck. And now the Ravens are at the top of the AFC North. And what a turnaround considering where you guys were at for through weeks. six you guys were dead in the water injuries galore lamar comes back now here we are
Starting point is 00:17:33 here we are first and foremost uh i'm i'm happy but i'm not content we're six and five we still have a long way to go before we can even say we're safe in the afc north but i will say this the steelers better prepare because they got the bills coming up we have cincinnati coming up and by no means is that going to be an easy game because because, of course, they're going to play us tough while they give up 40-something points to everyone else. But they're going to play us tough. I expect that to be a hard one game, but I still expect this to win because, again, I don't care if it's Joe Burrow or Joe Flacco.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Joe Cool is losing. I don't care which one. So I think we'll get the job done because it's at the bank. Maybe it don't be more difficult if it's at Cincinnati. But since it's at the bank, on Thanksgiving, I think that's going to be enough to give us the edge in this. divisional rivalry. I think Lamar Jackson is going to be just fine. I don't think he'll be Lamar Jackson like as he's been in the past because I'm not sure how healthy he is at this moment in time, but I think he'll do just enough to win the game. I do not think the bank
Starting point is 00:18:42 goes can stop the rushing attack, even with the abysmal guard play I have. I think we'll do just enough to win the game. And as far as everything else is concerned in the AFC North, the Browns finally have competent quarterback play too little too late. We don't see them again, so I'm happy. And the Steelers are the only real threat that we have in the AFC North. They have a tough schedule, but we see them twice anyway. So if we are able to either split or outright beat them and sweep them, I think we win
Starting point is 00:19:18 the AFC North. But it really comes down to whether or not we can beat them. If we can beat them, yeah, we'll win the division. Everything else should be able to take care of themselves. But as a right now, I'm happy, but I'm not exactly confident that we can keep this lead until we actually face the Steelers. I need to see what I'm dealing with with them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Well, Tuck, I will say you might be on heart attack watch for the next six weeks. It's Eric Nat, you know, you mentioned that. You still have to play the Bengals and the Steelers. twice. You also got to play the Patriots, and you also have to play the Packers. I'm not worried about the Packers. Really? Really? Not yet. A moment.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I don't know what I'm getting with the Packers. That's why. It's Toyotathon. How about that? Well, this was what? The first week of Toyotathon and Jordan Love didn't really perform. And they won. And they still won. And they won. So, yeah, consider that, if you will. consider it. All right, whatever.
Starting point is 00:20:22 So, Chris, I guess it's me now. The Ravens, you know, congrats to you guys, you know, division leader to division leader. Yeah, you grab the four seed. That's cool. Look at the probabilities right now. The Ravens have an 80% shot to make the playoffs. That's as good as it's been all year. Nice job, man.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Pittsburgh, with that loss, is officially out. You know, they're out. They're on the outside of the 8th seed, and their odds went from, like, 50 to 28. So, yeah, and the rest of your division, you know, the Bengals are injured, and the Browns are the Browns. So they already may as well be eliminated. Both their odds are less than 1%. So overall, as for the game itself, the Jets are one of those sneaky tough teams where, you know, obviously any given Sunday, but, hey, a double-digit win against the Jets who still play a hard. You know, Aaron Glenn's going to motivate his guys regardless. So that, that's huge.
Starting point is 00:21:24 You know, you can't sneeze at that. You know, first in the AFC North. And, you know, everybody's starting to come back. You know, Lamar didn't have the best game, but he did what he had to do. Got two touchdowns from King Henry. And I do have some Ravens News. A quarterback Joe Burrow is expected to play. Why? That's what I wanted to talk about why i just saw i just literally got a notification from the nflbts like joe burrow tow expected to play thanksgiving versus the ravens uh because you know what tuck as for why your guess is good as mine i already said like i think they should just shut them down for the year since they're already out of contention but but uh as for lamar i i do expect you guys to to win that game
Starting point is 00:22:14 and i can't really say a lot that hasn't been said already other than kind of like we said about the Bears. You guys are going to be running the gauntlet at the end of the year. So I still think Pittsburgh's not going to catch you guys again. I think they're on a downward trajectory anyway. It's the Tomlin cycle. We all know that. Maybe they get in as the 7th C.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Maybe they don't. But I think for the most of you guys are fine. Can we talk before we go, can we talk about something? I don't know why it feels that way, but I know you guys are Patriots fans. and so you felt like this once before. Why does it feel like it's only happening to the Ravens? Why is Joe Burroughs starting against the Ravens? Well, actually, it's very simple.
Starting point is 00:22:59 He could have started this week against New England, but you can't rush him back on a short week. I feel like if the Bengals weren't playing on Thanksgiving, we would have seen him on Sunday. That's why. Tell him to sit his hobbled ass down. They are three. He wants the money, and he wants to earn it.
Starting point is 00:23:18 He is three and eight. And if they lose, they're going to be eight and nine. At best, there is, why even take the risk right now? Why even do that to yourself? They're three and eight. They have no chance of making the playoffs. Are you going to know with the term bad teams stay bad? This, that's my answer.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Say the Bengals get the sweep on you. They also have the bills and then the Dolphins Cardinals Browns. I mean, the chances of them running to the table are somewhat probable. Unlikely. Unlikely. They're actually very unlikely. Their odds are less than 1% to make the playoffs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:58 The other thing, too, is that they've also lost eight of their last nine. Yeah. And to finish up on the Steelers, too, you know, like Aaron Rogers is hurt. But we were talking to, like, Mason Rudolph, Flokie kind of looked better than had the offense looking better than Aaron Rogers. Andy K. Meckoff is dealing with, I believe, a calf injury or hamstring injury, one of the two. So, there you go. All right. We'll take a quick break when we come back.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Stafford and the Rams get the win against the bucks. And boy, bucks are in trouble. Another injury to their name. This is the Lumbergsky podcast. It may not have always showed it in the statute, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie.
Starting point is 00:24:50 Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fulburwski podcast. Get into the Sunday night matchup from this past weekend. The Rams and the Bucks. And this game was over by halftime. It was 31 to 7 at halftime. And credits of the bucks, they only held the ramps to three points in the second half, but they didn't score any in the second half.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Big story from this game. Besides Stafford having another MVP performance and looking at the odds at the moment, according to Draft Kings, not a paid sponsor. Stafford currently leading still at plus 115, Drake May, and second at plus 125. So that's where that stance. but I want to keep it to the bucks here because, you know, obviously we were talking last week about how in trouble they were, how, like, they were in a bad spot. They had Chris Godwin back for this game, but, like, Chris Godwin has not been looking good out of his injury.
Starting point is 00:26:05 At Buka, we're talking about this. All you got to do is double team them. They can't find Kada. And now Baker Mayfield's hurt. and now Baker Mayfield is hurt what was the official injury that they came out with
Starting point is 00:26:19 it was a AC joint sprain he's who a C joint sprain that's uh that's gonna sideline you for a couple weeks that is for sure
Starting point is 00:26:28 um that's in his left shoulder though so not his throwing shoulder which is good but goodness it's a big Baker's a tough motherfucker
Starting point is 00:26:41 that's That's for one thing. But we've also seen what a hurt Baker can do, and it's not many good things. Granted, when he was hurt on the Browns, it was actually his throwing shoulder. So that's a bit of a difference. They have the Cardinals this week,
Starting point is 00:27:02 so that could potentially turn into a trap game. So we'll see how this, it was 100% his left shoulder, though, Adam. he was because he his last play was the long hill mary that todd bulls made him throw and when he came up he was holding his left shoulder um anyways uh oh the one of the browns okay never mind uh anyways so you look at where the bucks are it's not good especially with the panthers clipping out their heels they got the 49ers tonight as we were talking about And say the Panthers get the upset win against the Niners, we're looking at the Panthers at the top of the NFC South. Not great. Not great.
Starting point is 00:27:58 C.J., your thoughts. Yeah, there's a lot at stake here. And unfortunately, look, it's not news to anyone here. I think that Carolina caught the injury bug, but they just caught it at the worst possible time. This is about like the worst time to get hurt, you know, as teams are starting to get eliminated from playoff contention. Some teams have a significantly tougher schedule.
Starting point is 00:28:28 You know, like you're gearing up for a playoff push. And now you're hurt. You know, Evans out for the year. Godwin, I'm sorry. don't think Godwin's healthy. He's playing injured. You still don't have Bucky Irving. Allegedly he might be back next week.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Bakers hurt. If your QB goes down, only in rare scenarios are you still in good shape? I think Teddy Bridgewater's a passable quarterback. He didn't look all that good against the Rams, but, you know, when you're thrust in almost immediately in the game, I mean, that's usually not a recipe for
Starting point is 00:29:04 success. Especially when you consider the Rams are like one of the best teams. the league right now. Yeah, exactly. But it's not just that if, it's not just that, it's what you said about the Panthers. I want to expand on that.
Starting point is 00:29:20 It's that the Bucks no longer control their own destiny. Like you said, Carolina wins. They're in, like, they lead the division and Tampa, they don't just get knocked down to the five, six, or seven seed. Oh, no. If, if Carolina
Starting point is 00:29:36 wins tonight, which I do think an upset is possible, then I think then Tampa's out of the playoff picture. And honestly, if Baker's injury is really that bad, who knows if they get back in?
Starting point is 00:29:53 Because Carolina, you know, from one southern cat team to another, they're literally just the NFC equivalent of Jacksonville. So So, yeah, but yeah, essentially, you know, for Tampa, you still have an 83% shot to make the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:30:19 I don't want to say like it's over, but you're getting her at the worst possible time. It seems like the wheels were already kind of wobbling, but now I think the wheels are falling off. tuck it just whenever i think about the bucks and i think about like their team the thing that always kills them is like deaf like they they always get injured they don't have players healthy and they don't have people to replace them chris godwin just for one reason another always seems like he's injured i'm glad they have a mecca obuca because quite frankly they need it with both chris got one and mike evans injured bucky ervin is injured now. I don't know what's up with that offensive line, but it doesn't seem healthy right now either.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Tristan works got bullied all game by Jared verse. Baker Mayfield is now unhealthy. The one reliable guy that you had on offense when it came to health is now injured. And it's now, it just seems like if it's not one thing, it's another. And this happens year after year with the bucks. Luckily, they always managed to get healthy enough to make the playoffs. But right now, I'm not sure if that's possible. I think eventually it could be possible, but right now it just seems unlikely due to everything that's going on and the Panthers actually looking decent all around.
Starting point is 00:31:42 So I think it's still a possibility they make the playoffs, but damn, will they be crawling into it unhealthy? I think that they'll definitely get healthy once we get into the middle of December. I mean, Mike Evans is supposed to be back by Christmas time in terms of his recovery timetable but it's a matter of where you are at that point with three weeks left in the season in looking at their upcoming schedule
Starting point is 00:32:09 in terms of the bucks they have to face all of the they have to face all of their NFC South opponents at least one more time the Saints, Falcons and they still have to play the Panthers twice. I mentioned the Cardinals that they're playing this coming week and they also have Miami week 17.
Starting point is 00:32:28 so it's winnable it's winnable but you really got to slug it out up until christmas they need baker though they need baker to pull this out yeah i don't think they're going to win with that i'm like no like you're not winning without qb1 even with teddy i think they can win with teddy against the saints yeah against the saints can you not hear yourself there the saints they still have the saints I think it's a possibility against the Cardinals, because I'm not sure if Baker will be healthy enough to go. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Jacoy Bursett's been playing well, but they also have no defense, so maybe we get a shootout. We can only hope. All right. Cowboys Eagles. I don't know how the hell the Cowboys are still alive. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Like, you know, you start with trading Michael Parsons before the season starts. the defense is terrible and then you trade for Quinn and Williams and everyone's just like this is the year that you're going to this is the year you're going to trade and say hey we're going all in this year it doesn't make sense but goodness gracious the Cowboys are hunting for a playoff spot
Starting point is 00:33:50 somehow some way and now they're 500 I don't get it. They're 5 and 5 and 1. And they come back down 21, beat the Eagles at home. And now they're, what was the record now? It's 22 and 2 at home against NFC East opponents. Something about Dak and the Cowboys when they play a division rival at home is,
Starting point is 00:34:18 is something else to say the least. And there was some times during this comeback where I was. just like, how are they even in this game? Because they would have one bad mistake. I mean, grand, the whole first half, the whole whole first, we'll call it, 25 minutes of the game was just dog shit from the Cowboys. And the second half was a slow crawl into getting it into a tie game. And then, of course, Brandon Aubrey kicking the game winning field goal to end it.
Starting point is 00:34:51 But, you know, you had DAC throwing bad passes through an interstate. in the end zone at one point in the third or fourth quarter. I'm pretty sure it was the fourth quarter. On top of that, the play where the Cowboys punched out, got a fumble recovery on the punt return, and got to the one yard line. They didn't even score in that drive and still ended up somehow winning the game. First of all, total class from the Eagles. But I think the bigger story here is the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:35:22 That's where we're at. Breaking news, though, on the Cowboys side, Tyler Guyton suffered a high ankle sprain left tackle for the Cowboys, expected to miss their Thanksgiving game against the Chiefs. So that could be interesting. But real quick, in terms of the playoff picture where the Cowboys stand, there's still a couple spots out. They're in 10th behind the Panthers Lions,
Starting point is 00:35:50 49ers holding the last playoff spot. But with this win, it seems a little more doable. And for some reason, the defense is starting to make plays. I don't get it. We knew what the offense could do with George Pickens, C.D. Lamb, Javante Williams is playing out of his mind. But now we're in a spot where we're thinking, wow, the Cowboys can, they could make a run. They could actually make a run here.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Tuck, we'll start with you. I knew that they could make some noise based upon the trade and what they were going to do with Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark. I knew that, but I did not think they would come back down 21-0 against the Eagles and somehow pull off the miracle upset. I don't know how they did that. I need answers because I did not think they were good enough to win that game at certain points. For example, CD Lamb had a couple of drops. He's had seven drops against the Eagles. two games. That is not good at all. And yet somehow the Cowboys were able to keep the Eagles
Starting point is 00:37:04 scoreless in the second half, score 21 points, and then ultimately kick the game deciding field goal to win it. I don't know how they're five, five, and one. I don't know how they still have a chance to make the playoffs. I don't know how they traded Michael Parsons away at the beginning before the beginning of the season and still managed to still be in the playoff picture this long ahead in the season I congrats to them they didn't quit they didn't roll over they still have a chance which is surprising but I want to see what happens the rest of the way with the Cowboys horrible game from the Eagles that I think this says more about the Eagles than it does about the Cowboys I by my personal account
Starting point is 00:37:49 because I don't know what's going on with their offense. They were rolling in the first half, and then the second half, and then the second half, this happens? It's not a good look for Jalen Hurts in that offense. But overall, a good win from the Cowboys. It lets me know they can come back from Leeds when you need to. Dak Prescott isn't just a game manager.
Starting point is 00:38:08 He's a game decider. I can't believe I have to say that, but down 21 points and you're still able to win that game. Pretty damn impressive. So, oh, no, not bad. Not bad for the Caliators. Cowboys, very bad for the Eagles. And this is a bad look going into the playoffs relatively quickly because if you get stalled
Starting point is 00:38:26 down in the second half, you're going to lose some of those games. Yeah, and, you know, you get injuries on the offensive line and that ends up hurting, like, Sequin only had 10 carries in this game. And they threw the ball 39 times, which now, Jill, it hurts, 27 for 39 and a touchdown, but the run game, not there. and we've seen now a few throughout the season when the O-line isn't fully healthy, that run game comes to a complete halt. But, you know, I also say this, I've said this a few times with the Eagles, you know, they have a tough schedule. They had an extremely tough schedule to start the season, and you don't expect to win every single one of those games, especially when you have a, like said, a bit of a tougher schedule.
Starting point is 00:39:18 schedule in a divisional game where your divisional rival, it happens to be pretty fucking good against you at when you go to their place. So I don't think it says as much about the Eagles as we think in that regard. But I don't know, CJ, what do you think? It does because Sequel Barkley has been terrible. He's not even averaging four yards of carry this season. He's averaging a career low 3.7. is four touchdowns so far this season.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Horrific, actually. And don't get me wrong, Philly's still about like a 98, 99% shot to make the playoffs. But, you know, they were at the one seed. They're now number two. They're going to be playing the bears soon. That's going to have huge seating implications. So as for the Cowboys, I don't think they're making the playoffs. I think they're only at like 10%.
Starting point is 00:40:13 And I know why they're doing good now, at least I think. And so they're rallying around the unfortunate tragedy of Marshaun Nieland's passing. You know, obviously prayers out for his family. That was horrible. But, yeah, I mean, I think it's bringing them together. And, you know, they obviously want to win for Marshawn and rightfully so. But for me, the biggest issue isn't what happened on the field. Like, yeah, giving up 24 on answer to lose isn't great.
Starting point is 00:40:43 It's what happened in the post-game presser. They asked Jalen Hertz. if he was surprised that the Eagles offense hasn't found consistency. And he said, no. So, yeah, they said, oh, hey, Jailen, are you, you know, are you surprised that your offense hasn't found its consistency yet? And he just said, no. He's not surprised.
Starting point is 00:41:04 That right there, that speaks volumes. I don't care what their record says. I do not care if they're 8 and 3. I don't care that they're leading the division. I don't care that they're a slam dunk to make the playoffs. this off season, maybe sooner rather than later, Kevin Petullo has to be fired. He has to be fired.
Starting point is 00:41:24 And I'm so concerned, at least for Eagles fans, and I'm sure our good friends squawking Eagles would agree that they, that Eagles just be like, oh, but, but we're eight and three. We don't have to make any changes. Yes, you do. They're so, I don't say they're unserior. They're just unconvincing as a team. And until you get rid of Petulow, you're not going anywhere.
Starting point is 00:41:52 They're winning because of the defense. That's, that's 100% sure. There's no denying that. My only issue with saying fire, Kevin Petulow is like Jalen Hertz has had a different OC in each of his first, his first six seasons in the league. Granted, it's brought them to two Super Bowls and getting a ring, but. Well, it's not like they keep firing them. Two of them just got poached by, uh, no, that's, that, that's 100%, you're 100% right
Starting point is 00:42:27 about that, but that's not the most ideal scenario you want to give a quarterback. No, and it also doesn't help that their head coach seems to be very coordinator-reliant. Yeah. They're so lucky Fangio didn't get poached on this off season. and otherwise the defense would have collapsed. Like, remember, they lost both their coordinators after they lost the chiefs in the Super Bowl. And, yeah, maybe it takes a second approach. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Maybe the Eagles just need to do what some other teams have started to figure out, kind of like what the commanders are doing. They get a guy like Cliff Clingsbury who had a head coaching stint is known to be a very good offensive coach, had an head coaching stint, and said, I don't want to be a head coach anymore. Vic Fangio had a head coaching stint. He's like, I'm all set with head coaching. I think I'm good as a DC. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And here is right. McDaniels and OC this offseason, aren't they? Yeah. Honestly, I could see that happening. McDaniels going to the Eagles at that point to be the new host. That'd be pretty interesting. All right. We'll take a quick break when we come back.
Starting point is 00:43:36 We'll have the recap of the Panthers 49ers. after this, along with week 12, top three, bottom three. This is the Fullmer'ski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fulmuriski podcast, Monday Night Football. Geez, I, 49ers win, but this was an ugly one. Ugly, defense showed up. I'm more specifying Brock Purdy, throwing three interceptions in this game. They get the win 20 to 9.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Bryce Young didn't have his have a great game either. He threw 4669 yards, two interceptions, 18 for 29. Run game wasn't there. Or, well, the run game was. there, but they didn't, they couldn't possess the ball long enough to even do anything with it. But looking at San Francisco real quick, Chris McCaffrey, looking like his old self, 89 yards, touchdown, seven catches, 53 yards. George Kittle was getting involved a lot in this game as well,
Starting point is 00:45:01 Juan Jennings with a touchdown catch. But the real story here was Brock Purdy throwing three interceptions in the first half. and the Panthers did nothing with it. Like, you look at this game in the viewpoint of the Panthers, right? You just saw the Buccaneers get spanked on Sunday night football against the Rams, right? And now with a win, you go atop the NFC South and you blow it. You blow it. Granted, it's the 49ers.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Robert Salas defense is always going to be tough. Doesn't injuries, no injuries, does not matter. and brought, but Panthers defense forced Brock Purdy to make some bad plays tonight. The offense was given a lot of opportunities. They should have came away with, I believe, at least nine points from those three interceptions, and they only came away with three. And the final score, of course, being 20 to 9.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Just too many missed opportunities for the Panthers. And once again, it's one of those teams where like they lose you and then all of a sudden you get reeled back in you think they're all in and then they have a game like this. CJ had the take of you know this is the
Starting point is 00:46:25 just the NFC version of the Jacksonville Jaguars just with a worst record. That's pretty much the only difference. That's really the only difference. CJ, we'll start with you since I just quoted you but your thoughts. There must be, like, you know, like, Chris set off camera, a weird swap between Monday night and Thursday night in spirit. Because good God, Carolina, actually, Chris, I'm going to quote you, there's something you set off camera.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Every time you're out on them, they reel you back in. then when you're like, okay, maybe there's something there. They say, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, you fool, and proceed to stab me in the back. This is what it was. And, you know, I refer to them earlier this episode as the Jaguars of the NFC. And not just because they're a cat team from the South. It's because they're horrifically inconsistent. They are chaos incarnate.
Starting point is 00:47:32 You have no idea what you're going to get from them. And as for the Niners, I'm just going to be frank. you got lucky it seems like most other teams that are above 500 would have made you pay after getting not one not two but three interceptions you know you got a rock purdy putting on his best nathan peterman performance and honestly the fact that they what came away with three points after get a field goal off of three interceptions that's horrible the people Panthers had the ability to win this game. They were set up in some solid field position multiple times, and they just couldn't capitalize on it. The defense
Starting point is 00:48:17 was solid. I mean, it was fine, especially, but, you know, towards the end, you know, the Niners are able to put it away. But especially in the beginning, I thought the defense was solid. Yeah. But,
Starting point is 00:48:33 I don't know. They just couldn't, they really didn't have an answer for Christian McCaffrey. And even when Carolina had to air the ball out when playing from behind, Bryce Young also had a turnover of his own. I think he had two, actually. He did. So, yeah, then, yeah, you know, San Fran's giving them the ball. Carolina's giving them the ball right back.
Starting point is 00:48:53 So it really doesn't matter. I think Carolinas, I don't care if they're six and six. They're not a contender. And as for the Niners, oh, you think I'm going to be nice. Oh, no. no no no you're fake there's a reason you're a wildcard team maybe that's just because of the injuries it could very well be we can all admit that but i can't get behind this they're they they are reeking of fraudulence and i expect them fully to be a first round exit and uh before i hand
Starting point is 00:49:28 the spotlight back to you guys i'd like to point out there's a playoff update nineers are still the seventh seed but their playoff odds have jumped to 86%. And with this, Carolina, even though they're 6 and 6, their odds are down to 14. Yeah, that makes sense, considering that the only way that you
Starting point is 00:49:48 could probably see the Panthers making the playoffs at this point is winning the division. I'll give you another reason why the 49ers playoff. I said Tampa just got saved. Yeah. Tampa should be making their lucky stars right now. I'll tell you what. 100%.
Starting point is 00:50:03 And I'll give you another reason why the 49ers chances are so high it's because their conference record is 8 and 2 8 and 2 that's going to be pretty good for a tie breaker over anybody and for reference the lions who are the last
Starting point is 00:50:22 team out right now 4 and 3 in the conference just for reference tuck this game was abysmal from start to end. I was thinking this was going to be a little bit of a shootout because first series,
Starting point is 00:50:42 the 49ers go marching down the field with McCaffrey touching the ball eight times and then finishing with the Rashad Jennings touchdown. I'm like, okay, here we go. Here goes to the 49ers. Bryce Young proceeds to do nothing on the offensive side of the ball. Okay, not so bad. Then they kick it. Then the 49ers get the ball back. Interception. And then from then on, I saw some of the worst quarterback play i think i've ever seen in quite some time and i've seen nathan peterman throw five interceptions in one game this was almost as bad as that oh oh my god first of the 49ers did not deserve to win this game they survived this game because that carolina panthers defense which is very underrated by the way considering all the injuries they're dealing with had three
Starting point is 00:51:27 interceptions, had four, almost had a fourth one, but went through the safety's hands, and quite frankly, almost got a forced fumble recovery, but thankfully the 49ers got back on the ball. They've had ample opportunities to help this offense, and this offense got only three points off turnovers. Hell, one was even in the red zone, and they couldn't turn that into points. I don't know what's going on with the Carolina Panthers. This was supposed to be their big opportunity is showing prime time that they can hang with some of the contenders in the NFC.
Starting point is 00:52:00 They didn't show that. They show they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. They don't deserve to. This was a playoff game for them, and they just pissed the bed. Because now the Bucks are now back atop of the NFC South, and I don't see them losing it to this Buc's team. I mean, this Panthers team.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Oh my God. Bryce Young, he's not there yet. McMillan Those two drops were horrible The third down and two drop Where he had black gloves on And then he switched over to white Because they were more his field
Starting point is 00:52:33 Whatever He redeemed himself with that 29-yard touchdown But again I agree with you, Tuck They said it I was like, what? Like I get it I get it, I do
Starting point is 00:52:44 But at the time I was like Are we probably being for real right now But I mean outside from a little mini-plays from Rico Dottle and Chuba Hubbard, this offense wasn't even mid. It was just bad. It's just abysmal. The 49er offense was better, but again, the turnovers were killer.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Outside of that, they deserve to win this game, but at the same time, Brock Purdy's game today was horrid. Against any other team in the NFC, they would not have won this game. But against the Panthers, they survived. Congratulations to them. they got the W, which is hard to do in this league, but wasn't deserved, wasn't earned, and the I mean, and the Panthers just gave it to them. That's how I feel about this game.
Starting point is 00:53:31 It's wild, too, considering the fact that they just put up 41 points last week against Arizona and Brock Purdy's first game back as well in game two. I will say second half was a little bit better for Brock, all things considered since he didn't throw any more interceptions. Um, also more credits of the Panthers defense, uh, because J.C. Horn, he had two interceptions that I ended up, um, ended up missing the second half because he was thrown out after the second pick. I don't remember if they said he had a headache or something, but like, they said it was a concussion. Okay. I was about to say the, the minute they were like, yeah, he was throwing up
Starting point is 00:54:11 after the second pick. I was like, that's a concussion. But I, I didn't want to, didn't want to speak out of my ass, you know. They said it was a concussion on air, but. Yeah, that's not too. He did his job. He gave you two picks. He spotted jawed two picks and you did nothing with it. Yeah, he did his job.
Starting point is 00:54:28 The offense just didn't do it. Yeah. He has more, he's the only player on the team that has more, that has multiple picks this year and he has five now. I think he's staying healthy. He's become like a top 10 corner in the league. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:46 They were showing this. on TV. When Brock Perry throws the ball like 15 plus yards down the field, the touchdown to interception ratio was one touchdown six interceptions. Yeah. Damn. How do you expect to win with that? And I'm
Starting point is 00:55:02 not saying Brock Purdy's a bad quarterback. Is that this year? Yes. He's having a very bad stretch of games right now. Jeez. I mean, he's been... And what's supposed to be so good because I saw what Brock Purdy did against the Cardinals. And then
Starting point is 00:55:17 I saw what Bryce Young did against the Falcons, very respectable defenses. I'm like, okay, let's see what's going to happen on prime time. And then this happened. Wasn't expecting it. Just mid, just awful quarterback play, just bad all around from the Carolina Panthers. Chris McAfree did show up, though. I'm happy about that. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Yeah, that was good to see him get going again. um all right let's move on to week 12 top three bottom three CJ can you please uh calculate the pickum results please if you haven't already week three top three bottom three week 12 top three bottom three fucking hey man that's back to back weeks I fucked up top three uh we'll start with the chief Chris so much Chris all right buddy I'm messing around Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to start with the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Come back win against the Colts, backs against the wall, count the Chiefs out, what do they do, and come away with a big win. And a comeback win against a Colts team that, well, they've been disgusting all year long. And for all we know, maybe they've cracked the code and figuring out how to beat the Colts, and we were talking about this earlier,
Starting point is 00:56:37 maybe all it is is just holding Jonathan Taylor to under 80 yards. Maybe that's just the key. The Texans, boy, pulling out a win, a big win on Thursday night against Josh Allen and the bills forcing Josh Allen to throw two picks, no touchdowns allowed. And, I mean, another team where backs against the wall, playoff, like playoff hopes are kind of riding on this game. And you show up. show up and get the job done at home.
Starting point is 00:57:18 Cowboys, obviously there's a theme to this top three, and it's teams that are on the cusp of this is potentially going to be the game to decide what you end up doing with the season. We're at that point. We're right before Thanksgiving. And the Cowboys, down 21-0 at home against the top team in the conference. And what do they do? They come back and score 24 unanswered in the final.
Starting point is 00:57:44 three quarters and beat the Eagles. Fun fact, the Eagles apparently still don't want to fire Kevin Petulah. I'm sure our good friends at squawking Eagles are not thrilled. Yeah, we should ask him about that. Yeah, but not brave enough. I've done it before. I'll do it again.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Tuck, you want to touch on anything? No, not even the bottom three. All right. Bottom three, we'll start with the Vikings. Back-to-back weeks making it to the bottom three, unfortunately. And it's really because of the nine effect. It's the nine effect. It's really because of J.J. McCarthy. We were talking about this earlier, too.
Starting point is 00:58:29 There's this new Twitter account called QB. Gami. So anyone that knows what a score of Gami is basically translate that to a quarterback and their overall statistics. So in this case, this would, J.J. McCarthy's stat line was 87 yards, no touchdowns, two interceptions. They don't take into account completion percentage. And this is the first time since David Carr in 2002 that a quarterback has put up this stat line. On top of that, on top of that now, J.J. McCarthy is now on concussion protocol.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Yeah. Also, I got a stat as well. I'm sorry. Soft benching. Yeah, pretty much. Also, I wanted to mention there's a stat that I saw. I believe since 2000, there are 852 quarterbacks that qualify for this stat, you know, EPA per play, right? J.J. McCarthy is 851 out of 852. EPA per play every quarterback qualifying since 2000. The only quarterback that's worse, Jamarcus Russell. Oh, that's insane that you say that because I saw a part of my take did a blind resume, and it was two quarterbacks, player A was like six touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 57 QBR, quarterback B was five touchdowns, three interceptions, 76.1 QBR. I forget what the completion percentage was if there was. but those were like the McCarthy's complete percentage, by the way, is 54.1. McCarthy?
Starting point is 01:00:18 Yeah. Anyways, player A was J.J. McCarthy. Player B was Jamarcus Russell. Yeah. So McCarthy, like you said, to go over for everyone listening at home to make sure we're all on the same page here, McCarthy across six games is 929 yards, 54.1% completion percentage, six touchdowns, 10 picks,
Starting point is 01:00:41 And I googled it just to make sure McCarthy, as far as EPA per dropback, still 851 of 852, only QB versus Jamarcus Russell. So it's literally not hyperbole to say he is in Jamarcus Russell territory. So, yeah, and that was Jamarcus, the staff for Jamarcus Russell that I gave was in his first six games as well. I just wanted to make that one. Talk, do you want to say anything about that? Jabba the Hut, Jamarcus Russell. If you're in that level of quarterback play, I am concerned, I am worried, I need you to get better. For everyone's sake, you need to play better than Jamarcus Russell.
Starting point is 01:01:26 And Jamarcus Russell didn't even read the fucking playbook or didn't even watch film. Yes. Please get better, J.J. McCarthy. I know there's something in there, but please, please play better. Dear God, you're making Justin Jefferson look like an average wide receiver. That's not normal. We all thought the other joke was, and I've said it before, that we all thought that Jefferson was kind of like DeAndre Hopkins in the sense he was like quarterback proof. He was going to ball out no matter who was throwing him the ball.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Congratulations, J.J. McCarthy. You have un-quarterback proof Justin Jefferson. Not entirely sure you managed to do that, but you did. I used to be able to say, fuck it. just throw it up there. Justin Jefferson's going to get it. I can't say that anymore because last time I've seen him do it, it got intercepted twice. It doesn't work anymore.
Starting point is 01:02:19 He's broken him. Yeah. Last team on the, or I haven't even gone to the second team. Yeah, Jesus. Second team on the bottom three, the bucks, they've hit rock bottom at this point in terms of what's going on with their team. They lose 34 to 7 in a game that was over by the first half. credit to their defense they only gave up three points the rest of the way but um but now you got
Starting point is 01:02:46 baker mayfield hurt and a on a team that has just been riddled with injuries all year i mean baker mayfield are not in the second half they were not winning that they were not going to come back and win that game on the road in l.a that's just a matter of fact and uh injuries have finally like really caught up to them at this point The Raiders, the last team on the bottom three. Losing 24 to 10 to the Shadur Brown, Shadur Sanders Browns. Hey, perfect timing. Perfect timing.
Starting point is 01:03:21 Against all odds. Against all odds, guys. Against all odds. I believed in him. No, honestly, I thought he could be fine. And you guys know, I had him above Dylan Gabriel, at least. And you know how bad it was for the Raiders? Shador Sanders has become the first Brown.
Starting point is 01:03:39 quarterback since they were reintroduced in the NFL in 99 to win their first career start congratulations raiders you quite literally out browns the browns yeah the raiders uh had 13 penalties they had more first downs in the browns um they were four for 17 on third down which doesn't matter in this case to be honest but um it's not great though they no not great at all uh they also had 13 more minutes of time of position than the browns and and to lost to top it all off uh gino smith also seen flipping off his fan flipping off raiders fans after the game and he was sack 10 times i'd be pissed too if i got sack 10 times and everyone's blaming me also miles garridge should win d p o wide but he's probably not and that's the travesty of this season that's coming for a raven's fan
Starting point is 01:04:41 yes this man has 18 sacks on the season and it's not even what we're only 12 games through and he's not going to weigh it through the season yes he he's on case to destroy this season high sack record but he's not they're not going to give him credit for that and he won't win d p o why who's going to win it not him how do you know he's not going to make the playoffs that doesn't mean anything um it'd be the first time in a while that somebody wanted without making the playoffs miles garrett is currently leading everybody in defensive player of the year odds yeah so going to say according to draft no draft kings has him at minus a thousand he's winning defensive player of the year yeah
Starting point is 01:05:30 yeah because he's just clearly head and shoulders above everyone else i think thing is like obviously he should win it but for some reason i thought they would like take like winning into account no they they only do that maybe the only stat were winning mean they're the only awards or winning means anything or coach of the year and MVP yeah like offensive player of the year jonathan taylor currently leads in that in that category um she like that um yeah the only other player that i like i don't think he will win obviously I don't think it'd be close, but Kyle Hamilton. That's about it.
Starting point is 01:06:09 But I don't see anyone else close to Miles Garrett. Is it Kyle Hamilton to win defensive player of the year? No, I'm not saying he should win it. I'm saying the only person that should be in the conversation. I would argue Bonito from Denver as like a distant second. Benito and then Will Anderson. You see the Benito. Oh, Will Anderson, of course.
Starting point is 01:06:32 Yeah, I forgot. All right. Here's where it's at. now. Miles Garrett's first, Micah, Will Anderson, Nick Benito, Brian Burns, Aidan Hutchinson, in that order. Like, I would also consider all those guys before I even consider giving Kyle Hamilton a thought. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. The defensive player of the year, Tuck, is a very past rusher centric award. I mean, I know Sir Tann won it last year, but correct me if I'm wrong. The last DB to win.
Starting point is 01:07:04 before Surtan, I think, was Stefan Gilmore back in 2019. Yes. So you got 2020, 21, 22, and 23. So that's like four years between another defensive backwing, this entire presidential term. I don't think you got, like, I don't think people understand, like, how good Kyle Hamilton is. No, he is. Tuck. I understand.
Starting point is 01:07:29 He's revolutionizing what we're doing. I'm not saying he should win it because Miles Garrett is such a. beast. But it's not like he should be top five. And I don't think he gets the credit he deserves because he's a safety. And he's on a Zach Orr defense. So I do it that way you will. If you were telling me Kyle Hamilton at like 10 interceptions this year, you would have sold me. But like I'm not trying, and that's not me trying to discredit what Kyle Hamilton does for your team. That's just that that's just how it is. No, even at 10 interceptions, it's not like Doron Bland or Trayvon Diggs were going to win D.P. O.Y.
Starting point is 01:08:05 Well, no, because they also gave up on a golly amount of touchdowns, especially Diggs. As Cal Hamilton played all 11 games this year? Probably, yes. I believe so. Okay, for some reason, I was trying to remember if he was one of the many that was injured on your team or not. No, he wasn't. He was the only solid piece on my. defense for all throughout the season.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Yeah, but, like, another reason why I bring up the interceptions part is that a lot of times, like, you, granted, you have your Doron Blan or, or Trevion Degg situation, but, like, a lot of times you do end up, like, if you get a lot of picks, like, Champ Bailey, Stefan Digg, or Stefan Gilmore, you're going to win DPO, like, Champ Bailey did not win. defensive player of the year in like the best year he ever had and it was because jason taylor won like that's like to really like push the point home on that i think he should get a lot more credit than he's getting i'm not saying he should win it because i think mowles garrett is a beast specifically this season i just think he should be getting a lot more credit than he's getting we can agree on that originally you were talking talking him up like he is the MVP. That was my name. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:09:38 Or the defense player of the year, I should say. No, he's not that. It's Miles by one shot. Yeah, Miles Garrett being minus a thousand to win defense player of the year at this point of the season is that's And he's just suffering. That's disgusting. That's disgusting.
Starting point is 01:09:58 I want to see what he's on pace for right now. You were saying to break the record. By the way, Brian Burns 13 sacks this season, and he's top 5 and odds. In terms of projected sacks this year,
Starting point is 01:10:15 27 sacks. 27.8. So it's really like 28 sacks. That's wild. Which one destroyed the record. And I don't know who's going to stop him. No one. Literally no one can.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Yeah. Unless the Brown said, this season sucks, we're sitting you for next season. And I wish they would. That would be pretty heinous. I need them to finally get this record, because it's been around for far too long. You want to know something
Starting point is 01:10:48 crazier, too. What? The first, like, up until this Steelers game on October 12th, Miles Garrett only had four sacks. So basically what I'm telling you is that in the last five games, he has 14 sacks. Yes.
Starting point is 01:11:13 Odie. Odie. All right. I think that's a good spot to wrap up the show on. Oh, another thing about the Raiders, Chip Kelly got fired. Yeah, and the Giants fired Shambone as well. Yep. Fun fact, Chip Kelly, when he was higher this offseason, was,
Starting point is 01:11:32 made the highest paid coordinator in the league getting $6 million a year. Never change, Raiders. Just add on to the Raiders being on bottom three. I love it. All right. That'll do it for us tonight or today. Thank you for tuning in to another Tuesday episode of the Fumbler's podcast. A new episode coming out on Friday at 8am.
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Starting point is 01:12:13 We'll see you on Friday. Actually, that's a lie. That's all a lie. That's all a lie. Good thing I caught myself. Next episode is Wednesday. We'll not have a Friday episode. Wednesday at 8.m.
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