The Fumblerooski Podcast - Not So Wild Card Weekend -Ep 328 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

The Wild Card Weekend is now behind us and boy was it underwhelming. The only close game was the Commanders upsetting the Bucs in a thriller, other than that everything was a stinker. Should Mike Tomlin be fired? (Yes) What does the Broncos future look like going forward? Did Sam Darnold play himself out of extension? (Also yes) Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, and Chris Costich talk all this and more!

Wild Card Weekend is behind us, Division Round matchups are set, and Mike Rabel is the new head coach of the New England Patriots. I'm Adam Wright, you're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's gotta get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright

with Chris Kostich, CJ Medeiros, and we have a great episode planned for you guys yet again. So lots of stuff happening. Texans beat the Chargers. The Ravens beat the Steelers. The Bills beat the Broncos. Eagles beat the Packers. The Commanders beat the Bucks in a close one. And Sam Darnold, well, he looks like the Sam Darnold that you would expect from years past, not from what we've gotten in 2024, which in 25, which is, that was something else. But listen, the division matchups are set and it is as follows. So on Saturday, January 18th, we have our first matchup being the Texans visiting the Chiefs, who have the number one seed yet again. That game is at 4.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. You have the Commanders, who are visiting the Lions. That game is on primetime. That is at 8 o'clock PM. Then on Sunday, January 19th, we have the Rams who are

being hosted by the Eagles. That one's at three. And then we have the Ravens and the Bills in a showdown. Buffalo is hosting that one. The top two MVP candidates, and this is, wow, that's a matchup that I can't wait to preview on Friday. That deserves to be the main event of the weekend. If we were still doing games of the week for the playoffs, that would be one, but we're going to preview all of them because they're all the game of the week. This is the playoffs.

This is a different animal. This ain't the cheap shit regular season in 2024 where every single regular season game was bad. But I will say that this, as far as wildcard weekend matchups, I mean, they're usually not the best ones, but this was a whole nother level of bad. And we're going to start with the first game, which was the chargers who were beat by the Texans 32 to 12. And, um, just the, the big story from this one is that Justin Herbert threw four picks in this one. Um threw the ball 32 times and completed less than 50% of his passes. 14 completions when throwing the ball 32 times. It was about as bad a game as I have ever seen

Justin Herbert play. And he threw three interceptions all season long and now lad mcconkey his number one wide receiver his rookie was awesome nine receptions 197 yards and a touchdown i believe that's what the third best single singular game in postseason history by a wide receiver as far as receiving yards go? Fact check. I can fact check that. But CJ, listen, it's not even to say that the Texans were necessarily all that good. They did what they needed to do to win. CJ Stroud, 22 for 33, 282 yards, a touchdown and an interception. Joe Mixon had himself a nice game, 25 carries, 106 yards, and a touchdown. He did lose a fumble, however.

Nico Collins, seven receptions, 122 yards, and one touchdown. He has been their most consistent wide receiver this season, which doesn't say too much because he was hurt for a big chunk of the season, but he still eclipsed a thousand yards this year. So he has been a big part of the Texans who have been riddled with injuries, an offensive line that's underperformed dramatically. And CJ Stroud has regressed a little bit. It sucks to say he had a great rookie year, but he has taken a few steps back it's not to say that he was bad he is only in his second year in the league so maybe maybe he has some more

developing developing to do who knows but either way the texans are back in the divisional round and they are here's your uh here's your fact check. Sorry to interrupt you. 11th best receiving day of all time. 11th best. That's still pretty good to be a rookie in your first playoff game ever. He could have been a Patriot too. You guys want to guess who the top guy is? Give it to me.

Eric Mould's Buffalo versus the Dolphins in 1999. What was his line? 240. And then after that, it's Anthony Carter with the Vikings in 1988 against the Niners. T.Y. Hilton against the Chiefs. No, never mind. I was going to say I think it was that wild playoff game where the Colts made that

uh big comeback but this one was uh 2014 um reggie wayne in 05 steve smith and 06 against the bears uh jerry rice against the bangles 89 calvin johnson against the saints in 12. Demarius Thomas, that overtime game with Tim Tebow against the Steelers. Most recent one was Gabe – besides McConaughey, most recent one was Gabe Davis in that 201-yard – he had 201 in that 13-second game. That was back in 2021, correct? 22. The 21 postseason. The year was 2022 yeah yeah nice uh i mean i would expect that from a game like that didn't he have like three touchdown

receptions too yeah i think like two of them were on the last two drives yeah within like seconds of each other too what a game that was But this one was nothing close to that. And listen, we can talk a little bit about the Texans, but I'd rather keep more of an emphasis towards the Chargers. I think that's a little bigger of a story because I thought the Chargers were winning this one. I thought they would be the team to go on the road and pull the upset. Out of all the matchups this wildcard weekend, and they completely laid an egg, the fact that

Justin Herbert threw 32 times, your star quarterback threw the ball 32 times, and it made you worse. That's a little eye-opening. I don't love the way that this Chargers team is built as far as running the ball. I think you should be building around your team, but regardless, if Justin Herbert is the star that you believe he is, it doesn't matter if past Ladd-McConkie your best receivers are Quentin Johnson and Josh Palmer. You should be able to make your wide receivers better. You should be throwing good enough balls so that your completion percentage is not below 50% for the game, so that you're not throwing four picks. That's not on

Quentin Johnson or Josh Palmer. That's on the quarterback. And you can't even blame coaching anymore. That's not an excuse anymore in LA because now you have Jim Harbaugh. Now, Jim Harbaugh is more, my only gripe with him is that he's a dink and dunk quarterback. He's a dink and dunk coach. He's kind of the guy who, he loves to, he loves to run the ball and he likes to play conservative ball. That's going to cause for less turnovers, not more. So, I mean, you have to look at Justin Herbert at this one. And I'll pass it off to you, CJ, because you had a take a couple years ago about him being comparable to Matthew Stafford during his days in Detroit.

But I'll give you the floor. Well, well, well. Well, about two years ago, I voiced some concerns with Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert, saying, you know, it seems like he has everything, but every time he goes to the playoffs, which has now been twice, he just folds. And, yeah, this is comparable to Stafford. But, see, the thing is, then at least we could blame the Chargers' just god-awful coaching under the human waste of space himself, Brandon Staley. But now you have Jim Harbaugh.

What's the excuse? I guess you could say play calling a look. Harbaugh, we all know, plays conservative. He's a run first, you you know defense running the ball team and look we can go back and forth about how much of a place that type of football has in 2025 but i think the real issue is why are you running that play style with just Herbert, who has one of the better arms in the league. And yeah, I know the coverage pretty bear receiver, but Conky, he's pretty good. Josh Palmer is, and Quentin Johnston, you know, couldn't catch COVID in a Wuhan lab. I am very well aware that Quentin Johnston is that good. But still, like, air out the ball, do something.

But they did in the postseason, and it didn't work because they're a run-first team. And obviously, when you're a run-first team and you're down by, like, two or three scores, it's not like you can, you know, just start running the ball and hope it all works out because then that's going to bleed the clock. Running the ball is for when you're up and trying to salt away the game, not when you're playing from behind. And Justin Herbert, look, once again, we can blame play calling, which I do in part, but let's not pretend Herbert's innocent here. He threw four interceptions during the game, and he threw three all year. And look, Chris and I were talking off camera about, hey, you know,

there's this one where he rolled out to one side, and that was a stupid play call. But still, Herbert didn't have to throw the ball. He threw the ball back across his body, which, you know, that's a stupid play call. You can't allow yourself to make a stupid throw on top of it he threw back across his body and like right until was that stingley that he was at that pick i i don't remember well he threw it right to the db's lap

essentially and and yeah so i just this performance shows that even though we can point all the fingers at Harbaugh that we want, I am genuinely concerned about Herbert. And maybe when he gets some more weapons, it's a different story. But literally throwing more interceptions in one postseason game than you did the entire regular season, I'm sorry. That is actually, like, that is quite literally on you. No ifs, ands, or buts. And that's why I said he's going to be Stafford, because it doesn't matter how great he looks or how much he stuffs the stat sheet in the regular season.

Both times where he went to the postseason, he folded and he folded hard. And I'm hoping he proves me wrong, because I like Justin Herbert. I do. He seems like a nice guy, and he folded hard. And I'm hoping he proves me wrong because I like Justin Herbert. I do. He seems like a nice guy, and he's a pretty fun quarterback to watch. But, like I said, I'm just hoping the Chargers go back to the drawing board, you know, maybe tweak some things, definitely get some more receiver help for him, and maybe it'll be different.

But, oh, my God, if it happens again, then we're going to need to have an even more uncomfortable conversation. Yeah. I mean, you guys mentioned wanting to keep this on the Chargers, and I'll keep it on both sides, really, because I think that a lot of the credit still has to go to this Texans defense for having an insane game plan against the Chargers. In terms of Justin Herbert yeah like this is like an all-time terrible quarterback performance if he didn't have the

one touchdown then it would be probably one if not already the worst but I was did some quick research uh while you guys are talking and about the pressure rate that herbert had to deal with because i like yeah herbert had four interceptions but i don't think i we can put all the blame on herbert because according to nfl pro justin herbert was pressured on 19 of 36 of his dropbacks which is over 50 based 11 quick pressures including five unblocked pressures resulting in his highest quick pressure rate based in any career regular or postseason game heavy pressure correlated with an average time to throw of 3.57 seconds which is the longest of his career including playoffs um the o-line was not good in this game by any means necessary.

Granted, I'm finding this whole thread on Reddit right now, which is citing NFL Pro, but this guy also put in a six-minute clip of him being pressured. That's ridiculous. Six minutes of Justin Herbert having dark blue jerseys in his face. Like, I, yeah, obviously, like, Herbert had a terrible game, but the deep, pardon, Houston's defense was all in his face the entire day. And honestly, it's not surprising that Herbert's going to throw four interceptions at that point. Does that mean that I don't think that Herbert's still a generational

talent that's still an amazing quarterback no but we could still say that maybe he is going to have that 10 maybe he will be that guy that just shrivels up in big games and big moments, which is unfortunate because like, I really want Herbert to be successful, but it just seems that in this generation of quarterbacks, he's just going to end up being filled. All roads lead back to Phillip rivers at this point. So yeah, at the end of the day though,

I, I think that the Texans still should get the majority of the credit for basically giving Justin Herbert an absolute, just absolute hell all day long. Yeah, I mean, the defense was pretty good in this game. I mean, when you sack the quarterback four times with the offensive line that the Chargers have, that speaks to D'Amico Ryans. It speaks to some of the personnel that the Chargers have that speaks to D'Amico Ryans, that speaks to some of the personnel that the Texans have. I mean, they have a pretty good defense. The only thing with Houston is that I was expecting more offense from them this year. I expected Stroud working with Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Stephon Diggs to be more explosive. And when all three of them were healthy, it really wasn't there.

And you can give them half a pass now because all they have left is Nico Collins and Dalton Schultz. But you still, I mean, the offensive line has been bad. And CJ Stroud is not the same quarterback he was last year. I'm hesitant to say that he's not as good as we thought he was because he's just in his second year so i i want i just want to give him some time second year with all the bullshit around as well with the receivers being out and the o-line just being a complete mess and the line shouldn't have been a mess because they have

good players laramie tunsell and tit Titus Howard is a pretty good tackle duo. And you have a couple, you had a couple good players on the interior of that line. It's just, oh, it's been, it's been bad. So maybe they definitely need to work on the interior. It's mainly on the interior where things are going wrong. But, I mean, this offseason, whenever the Texans are eliminated or I don't think they're going to the Super Bowl, but they're definitely going to be thinking about the interior of that line first. Obviously, you're not thinking about the quarterback.

You're not thinking about the receiving core that was littered with injuries. But the Texans' defense was good. I'm not saying it wasn't, and it was pretty good this year. But I was expecting a more high-powered Houston offense. This was a very underwhelming Texans team. They survived all of the issues that they had to the point they made the playoffs, unlike the Jaguars the year before them, when they had their issues.

But, I mean, this is... They're going to have to do some looking around on their roster and kind of try to figure out what the issue was, what went wrong, because I saw this team as a Super Bowl contender this year, and they're clearly not. So that's going to be something to look at. But if we've already covered everything we needed to cover in this game,

again, it's Justin Herbert that I look at in this game. And listen, Drake Mays comp was Justin Herbert, and it was Josh Allen as well. I'm praying to God that he doesn't turn out like Justin Herbert. Yeah. I'm at that. Wow. I really hope he doesn't.

I got some breaking news for you guys at the top of the hour as well. Give it to me. Oh, boy. Star quarterback Skyler Thompson has signed with the Steelers. All right. Move on. Jesus Christ. Might as well talk to the Steelers. Your pillow are hot tonight, Chris.

Oh, please. Yeah, I hope you just don't sleep i just i hope you're you're so warm that even even sleeping without clothes you'll just be that's it i i hope i hope i'm warm because it's fucking 20 degrees out so yeah i hope i am warm you know what freeze something i i wish i i wish harm upon you all right all right we're gonna move on to the ravens and the steelers uh ravens winning and it really wasn't close steelers have plenty of question marks going into the offseason and sort of the direction they've been going in or a lack thereof in the last decade that's next you're listening to the Fumble Rooski Podcast.

It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski podcast. Adam Wright, Chris Kostic, CJ Medeiros.

So the Steelers make the playoffs again, and they come out without a playoff victory again. And we are now out at a point. Do you know when their last playoff victory was? 2016. 2017, technically. It was the 2016 season. 2016 season.

It was over the Miami Dolphins, and they didn't even have Ryan Tannehill, by the way. That was the Matt Moore game, and he got cracked. I remember that. Oh, yeah, Timmons got him, right? Yep. I remember. The other AFC East team that was in the playoffs that year.

But that was the last time. And so they made the AFC Championship that year. They lost to the Patriots in a blowout. They were expecting to get back there in the AFC championship the following year, and they got gashed in an embarrassing loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars. That 2017 defense was ferocious for that Jaguars defense. But I mean, for a team as talented as them, they shouldn't have lost, and they've never been the same since. Not even close. They lost all of their star talent since then.

Their star quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, aged, and eventually he could barely throw the football. The guy they replaced him with was Kenny Pickett. Then they replaced him with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. And those two stooges did jack shit as you could might think. Um, Russell Wilson was okay at first, but you replace one old quarterback with another who is kind of on his way out of the league. You, the results are as expected. And I think that's, look, I expected the Ravens to win this game and we can talk plenty again about the Ravens and how Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry have been

an awesome combo this season. Uh, we thought that Lamar Jackson was going to be a slam dunk to win league MVP at first, but Josh Allen's having an incredible year himself over in Buffalo. That's going to be a fun game again this weekend. But Russell Wilson and this Steelers offense just doesn't seem to be able to, it seems like this is an issue every year ever since their last playoff win they've been a they've never been a bad team but they've never been able to they've never been able to be good enough to make any sort of playoff run it seems like every year they're nine and eight ten and seven their defense has always been great but it seems like it's just year they're 9-8, 10-7. Their defense has always been great, but it seems like it's just predictable. They're always just running after the quarterback.

They're always playing zone defense. I mean, Tom Brady back in the day would always pick them apart year in, year out. And it just seems like they don't want to fix their issues. And they haven't been able to go and get a quality starting quarterback ever since Roethlisberger retired. He aged. They didn't find a backup plan. They took a quarterback in the first round of maybe the worst quarterback draft in recent memory.

I don't know what to say here. It just seems like they're not going in a good direction, and they don't want to get rid of their head coach, Mike Tomlin. But CJ, I'll hand it off to you. Thank you. You're very generous. Try to stay consistent with the order. Yeah, well, he didn't want to go to me first.

That's okay. Understandable. But no, I'm joking. I'm joking, Chris. We're all W fans here. Good to see you, by the way. So the game itself went about the way we expected. Pittsburgh really didn't have a shot.

They were dead from the word go. The Ravens just used Derrick Henry beat them over the head they surrendered damn near 300 rushing yards and yeah here's a sad stat TJ Watt literally has never won a playoff game because Pittsburgh is just terrible and why is Pittsburgh terrible my fellow Americans is it really is it really unreasonable to assume that the answer is Mike Tomlin? In fact, Adam, I'll take your point. I'll go a step further. Mike Tomlin's got to go. He needs to be fired. And I know that's controversial and all the stat nerds are going to be like, erm, erm, he's never had a losing season. Well, I got news for you.

Not all winning seasons are created equal. They're just not. I mean, he used to get 14, 12 wins a year, but now he's going 10 and 7. He's going 9 and 8. Like, he's not really winning the division and when he does they're usually the four seed and every time the Steelers have won the division since since like what 2017 2018 every time they do it's literally because the rest of their division is injured

or everybody else sucks and it'd be one thing if everyone else sucked and you were still getting anywhere from 12 to 14 wins a season, but you're not. You're still terrible. And that does fall on the feet of Tomlin. And I hear all these people and they say these things like, oh, but he doesn't have control over the roster. Yes, he does. Any argument to the contrary is a flat-out lie. The amount of power he has in that organization is nuts for a head coach. He literally gets the final say on most everything. And normally that wouldn't be a problem. But we are starting to see that he cares more about that never-had-an-undefeated-season record

than actually winning a playoff games. They have literally lost their last six playoff games and it's predictable. What happens? They start out hot and then they fall off a cliff or every so often they'll start out sluggish and the year really hot and either way they're just out in the wild card round. And why would you keep settling for mediocrity, I guess, just because he's never had a winning season. Like I said, he only goes 10-7, he only goes 9-8. And just that aside, just the lack of playoff production aside, the fact that he's wasting TJ Watt's career aside, the fact that he's wasting T.J. Watt's career aside, he has surrounded himself with some god-awful people. Even when the Steelers were good in the so-called Killer Bees era, remember that? Ben Bell Brown, that's what they called him. The Steelers fans had to suffer

through two idiots at coordinator, Randy Featner and Keith Butler. They were awful. And yet Tomlin just dragged them around because Tomlin doesn't value ingenuity. Tomlin doesn't value creativity. He doesn't even value contention. He values the status quo. He values yes men. Why else do you think Matt Canada overstayed his welcome? Why else do you

think they chose Arthur Smith as O.T.? And even still, it gets worse. I can sum it up in two words. George Pickens. This dude is a nightmare. In fact, there are rumors that they're not even going to give him a contract extension because he is this much of a head case. And that's what Pittsburgh does. They export head cases the way China exports iPhones. Every wide receiver the Steelers have had since Antonio Brown has been just insane, like right out the asylum. Antonio Brown, Martavis Bryant, Juju Smith-Schuster, Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool, now George Pickens. And look at the defense, some of the fun guys they've had, like Tyson Aluoglu, Vince Williams, Mike Mitchell, Artie Burns.

Mike Tomlin is a player's coach. He feeds just their egos, and they become insufferable they get themselves ran out of town even roethlisberger was a pain and look at what happened with levion bell too like it's clear that he takes these players ones that really don't even have personality flaws the only ones that did in college was Pickens. And he just turns them into just monsters for all intents and purposes. And when you take that with the fact that he can't manage a locker room and that these guys literally become locker room cancers on his watch, you take that and you combine it with the fact that his coordinators are basically just mannequins they don't think for

themselves they're just faces to be his yes men and you combine that service helping a mediocrity you got the pittsburgh steelers he needs to go this isn't even about the playoffs there is no reason that mike tomlin shouldn't be on the hot seat but hell pittsburgh's not going to do anything they're one of the most prideful organizations in the league. They never fire coaches. I know what you're thinking. Oh, they fired Matt Canada. Okay, cool. Do you know the last time they fired a coach or a coordinator or anything mid-season? That was during World War II. Yeah, and here's the thing. Even the two coordinators mentioned earlier, like Randy Featner and Keith Butler,

they were never fired. Pittsburgh literally just let their contracts expire and they weren't re-signed. So Steelers fans who want Tomlin gone, he's not going anywhere. Expect more of the same. And as for the Ravens, congrats on the playoff game. The real work begins now. They had the Steel Curtain dynasty in the 70s and then ben roethlisberger won two championships there and other than that it's just been flat out mediocrity and that's really it but

chris yeah uh i mean like you said cj it's really not gonna nothing's really gonna happen until tomlin retires i guess because like and the sad thing is that like this is the chuck noel route of career that mike tomlin is on right now like chuck noel at the end of his career was also dealing with the same things that mike tomlin is dealing with right now, just absolutely sucking. And he retired in 91. Of the last three head coaches that Pittsburgh has had, Tomlin, Bill Cowher, and Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher has been the only one that has ridden off to the sunset.

He retired on top, winning a Super Bowl, Super Bowl XL, against the Seahawks. And it just looks like Tomlin is just in the Chuck Knoll era of his Steelers tenure now, and it's just a matter of time until they finally just send him off on his way. Mike Tomlin also just does not like you mentioned the coaches that he brings in as well. Like they're not innovators. Mike Tomlin does,

doesn't have a coaching tree. Like the only one, the only one that you could probably consider part of the coaching tree is Bruce Arians, but Bruce Arians was already there for the bill cower era. So really Mike Tomlin does't he doesn't have like has never had like uh um what's his fucking name i already forget his name oc for detroit what's his fucking name again ben johnson ben john like he's never had a ben johnson or like a josh ms type of innovative coach that sets the world on fire.

And that's been the history for the Steelers. And you could also talk about how bad the Steelers' offense has been. The Steelers' defense has been probably worse. And that was because of Blake Bortles and the Jaguars. So since this game against the Ravens was the first time since the Patriots game, actually, the Patriots beat them 36 to 17 in 2016. And since then, the Steelers had not given up less than 30 points in a playoff game up until this past weekend like the Steelers defense in the playoffs also is absolutely atrocious so it's an all-around

it's not just one side of the football it is all parts of the Steelers. That is a mess. They need to move on from Mike Tomlin. They just need to realize that every year that they have Mike Tomlin, they're going to be stuck in football purgatory and that they're going to constantly have the 16th or the 20th pick in the draft. And they just have to realize that and be like, you know what? Let's clean house. Let's get ourselves a top 10 pick, top five pick, whatever, and go from there.

They just have to have a massive reset. But they're not going to have that because, as you said, CJ, it is a prideful organization. Yeah, and it doesn't seem like that they even want to make a direction change. But all the credit to the Ravens for taking advantage of it. This organization, the Ravens, ever since they came into existence and from being the old Cleveland Browns, basically. Overall, they've been a very proactive organization.

They make aggressive moves to improve their franchise. They've been doing it year in, year out, and they've had some tremendous success in the 21st century. And potential for more this postseason. They play the Bills in this upcoming weekend, the divisional round. See what comes of that. Speaking of the Bills, they destroyed the Broncos. We'll talk about the Broncos and their future.

Much brighter so far than the Steelers. And the Bills, could we get a potential Super Bowl run out of this? That's all next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot.

He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski Podcast. Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, Chris Kostic. And so the Broncos, they had a promising season and they made the playoffs against most people's expectations, I would say. And they did score the first touchdown of the game. And it was a beautiful ball thrown by Bo Nix to Troy Franklin unfortunately this unfortunately that was it and the Buffalo Bills scored 31 unanswered points and they routed the Broncos in this one.

They move on to the divisional round. They face the Ravens. But, I mean, this was a promising year for Bo Nix, for the Denver Broncos. Their offensive line is nailed down. Their only free agent, I believe they have, on that offensive line, was Garrett Bowles, and they already extended him.

So really the only thing they need to do, they need to work on their running game. They really don't have anything there. It doesn't seem like Javante Williams really has it. He just doesn't. And you can't put too much pressure on your quarterback. It makes you too predictable for defenses. Sean Payton, it looks like he's much more comfortable with this quarterback than he was with Russell Wilson the year prior. It's clear that Sean Payton didn't want Russell Wilson on his roster

and he wanted somebody different. I will give credit where credit's due. Denver was the only war room. They were the only people in the entire country celebrating the Bo Nix pick. Everyone else was calling him idiots. Who's laughing now? And the kid has been tremendous. He's surpassed my expectations.

And we'll get to the Bills because this team could have a Super Bowl run in them. But what do we make of the Broncos' future? How much more can Bo Nix improve? Could he be one of the NFL's elite what are we thinking well I think the Broncos definitely have a bright future considering like you take you take the Broncos and I think that you put them in the same idea as the Chargers right like this broncos team you didn't expect them to make the playoffs and here they are they were able to make it granted as a seven or a six seed pardon but they still made it and they made they fought or seven seed they were a seven seed i don't know

what i'm saying they fought really hard to get there. Their defense improved tremendously from last year. The offense analytically was still the same thing under Bo Nix, but sometimes it's not all under the stats. It's how you can get the job done in certain scenarios. And Bo Nix, I think has a bright future. I think the Denver has a good future in front of them. All around this season was a success,

no matter the way that they had this first-round exit and the way it happened. I think that if you're a Broncos fan, you're definitely happy about what's in store for next year. And I think that if you're Bo Nix, the biggest thing you really need to work on is your footwork. And that probably solves half of the issues at that point for Bo Nix. And when you look at this game altogether,

Denver had a lot of plays where they had the perfect defense set, but they had to go, but they had Josh Allen on the other side playing better offense. And I think that's kind of what the epitome of this game was, was that you had Josh Allen on one side, figuring out a way to get around some of these looks at the Broncos were thrown out. I mean,

look at the fourth and two that Josh Allen threw to Ty Johnson in the back of the end zone. Like, this was the perfect defensive play call that Vance Joseph threw out there. Like, Josh Allen is looking to roll out and run. They set the edge. They did everything perfectly and forced him back in the pocket, but it just took a better throw and a better play on the offensive

end to beat them. So I think that this Broncos team definitely has a bright future ahead of them. It's just a matter of if just things can bounce their way at the end. As far as I go, I would say if you're a Broncos fan, you should be cautiously optimistic. Like, you know, don't just say, oh yeah, we're going to get better because sometimes with quarterbacks, they have a really good rookie year and they're still good, but they never quite progress from that.

Like they're going to be good, but not great. Where for Bo Nix, he was a good quarterback. I mean, sure his stats didn't wow you. But in the words of Adam, you could see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. But whatever. But, yeah, I mean, you could see him doing that. And, you know, he was a really good game manager. The question is, does he take that next step from game manager to star?

I don't know. Because even still, arm strength isn't something that you can really improve. I mean, you can, but you're not going to go from, like, Daniel Jones to Patrick Mahomes over the course of a few seasons, you know? You have a ceiling ceiling is my point and nicks i mean he's mobile he's always a threat to run but i wouldn't necessarily call him a run first quarterback he's a good decision maker i think he should get his footwork set but overall you know you're not going to get like in your division you're not going to get another mahomes i could get another Herbert, right?

But, yeah, I mean, I won't say he's hit his ceiling. He has room to improve. But if you're a Broncos fan, you're expecting another John Elway or Peyton Manning, I would say no. But if you're the Broncos, as far as the future goes, the biggest thing you have to do is get the roster set around you. Because we see this from time to time, teams that have promising rookie quarterbacks sometimes let the roster atrophy around them. And then they throw their hands up in the air and say, hey, why aren't you doing well? yeah no sorry it's my bad uh we just

screwed you over with this roster for example you know the patriots of mac jones not saying bo nicks is mac jones but you know jones never gonna be the guy but he had a promising rookie year and their gm at the time bill belichick just straight up let the roster get worse or for example this is going to be controversial because I know they went to the Super Bowl in the second year, but the Bengals literally, they got Jamar Chase, and they said, okay, now we're done trying. The offensive line outright got worse.

The defense got better on paper only. Statistically, they got much worse. But that whole thing was joe burrow you know what i mean so but yeah and i will argue that that bangles roster got worse especially on the line but whatever my point is you have to continue to build around him even though they weren't as great this year gotta do what the texans did they went out they beefed up the line they got some pieces on defense, and they got Stroud more weapons. Granted, injuries in a different plan, but still the thought was there.

That's what you got to do because right now your wide receiver room is Cortland Sutton and I don't know, Troy Franklin, Marvin Mims, like they're good, but you're going to need a solid two, and I can say you can address that in free agency or even the draft if you feel the need to. But as for the game itself, so before I get to that, I just want to say, so yeah, if Denver can nurture the roster around him and maybe get him some more pieces, then I really don't see any cause for alarm.

As for the game, honestly, Chris, I'm not going to belabor the point. You hit the nail right on the head denver literally had all the right plays called they were literally technically speaking from a play calling standpoint the bills were actually outcoached denver had the perfect counter to everything it's just that they didn't have the personnel to get it done. Coaching's half the battle. But on the other hand, Buffalo just had too much firepower. Yeah, Josh Allen. I would say basically it's Josh Allen and James Cook, you know?

Yeah, that's basically it. It's just that Allen, it didn't really matter what you did. Allen's creativity, escapability, and things like that. Like when he just rolls out of the pocket, like best laid plans usually run asunder, and that's basically what happened. But for Denver, you should be back next year. Just hope Nix doesn't have a sophomore slump.

Build the roster, and you're solid. Yeah, so I mean as far, I do believe Bo Nix is pretty close to his ceiling. As far as physical abilities go, it seems like his mechanics are there. His footwork is there. My thing is that that shouldn't be looked at as a bad thing because I think it was more about the way he was used rather than his skill set. I think he's fully, he's almost fully developed. He's right where he needs to be. It's more so the, like, I'd like to live by,

as far as production goes for quarterbacks, there's a vast difference between what you're asked to do and what you're capable of doing. When you look at Bo Nix, you can see in the rare occasion when he was attempting the deeper throws, he was pretty good. He threw some good balls. The problem is, Sean Payton has put him in such a dink and dunk type of offense, screen plays, dump offs, check downss that we rarely got to see his potential everyone said game manager mac jones but then when you saw him actually attempt the throws that you know only that we think only let's say josh allen or patrickomes make, he makes them too. Am I saying that he has an incredible arm? No, but it's good enough to be an elite quarterback in this league. So I think a lot of it is going to

come down to how he's used. Maybe it remains to be seen whether or not he has the intangibles, sort of the mindset possible to be an elite quarterback. Sometimes you need some heart. You need mental toughness in the NFL. So far, so good. But I think a lot of it remains to be seen. I think as far as physical abilities, he has everything that he needs. And he's pretty much hit his ceiling. It's just a matter of how he's used.

That's all. I think he can do a lot more in a more vertical offense from what I saw from Bo Nix. But, I mean, we've talked a little bit about the Bills as well. I'm a little worried, not because of Joshosh allen or even because of the targets that they have and their offensive line has been fantastic and sean mcdermott is making a case to to stay as a head coach um at least be a good enough one where i'm worried is their defense i know that the broncos only scored seven points but right right now the Broncos, as far as scoring the bills, as far as scoring defense goes are 12th. That's solid. That's okay.

The problem is there have only been 11 teams in the Superbowl era who have won a Super Bowl without a top 10 defense. Their defense is not top 10. And, you know, they, there are exceptions to the rules. And if there's anyone who can do it, I think Josh Allen can do it. But I just, I'm a little, I'm a little skeptical because most of the other superpower teams that are favored to win the Super Bowl this year, they have top 10 defenses. The Ravens don't. I never saw them as a Super Bowl team. The Chiefs do.

The Lions do. The Eagles do. So as far as I think the Bills can the, the bills can make a Superbowl. I think they can, they can win it, but I'm skeptical as, as far as calling them Superbowl champions, because as far as history goes,

it favors the chiefs. It favors the lions. It favors the Eagles. So just like pump the brakes just a little bit. Let's see how things go here um but as far as the defense is showing last uh this this past weekend um so far so good but just a little skeptical there yeah i mean i guess i i the two games that come to mind really is the Detroit game and the L.A. game that they had.

Like, they have the offense because of Josh Allen to be able to compete in high-scoring games, but, you know, they're also 1-1 in those games. So, I guess you just got to take your licks when you can at that point and be able to capitalize when need be. But especially when they're going up against a Baltimore team that put up that hung up 35 on them earlier this year already. So it's, it's going to be an interesting one next week.

And when you look, when you look at games like that, where they're, they're going back and forth, it does make your D when you have a high powered offense typically that makes your defense a lot better that's what there's a reason why you see a lot more uh elite offenses with a okay defense making the playoffs and not as many with bad offenses and elite defenses making the playoffs, if that makes any sense.

And it makes sense when you think about it, because not only is your defense getting more rest on the sidelines while your offense is killing it, but it also limits your opponent's abilities and what they can do. If you're in a shootout, you're not going to be running the ball. Everyone knows what you're going to be doing. You'll run it a little bit to keep defenses guessing, but you know that most of the balls are going to be passing. So it gives a little bit of a, it gives a little bit of predictability there. So you can kind of expect what's going to happen.

And also if, when teams are playing from behind, they're going to get more desperate, creates more turnovers. So it makes, it makes sense when you think about it, but that just means that the bills are going to have to keep scoring, which puts a lot of pressure on Josh Allen. So can they do it? I think they can. And their defense is it's 12th. It's not, it's not like it's bottom of the league, but Josh Allen has a lot of, he has a lot of pressure on him. He doesn't have the best pass catchers this year and the offenses, the offensive line has been good, but watch out for some of these defenses coming up to possibly disrupt the line. The Chiefs are going to be a tough out for them between Chris Jones and all the other boys up front. All right, we're going to move on from this game.

We've spent plenty of time on it between both sides. We're going to get to the Eagles, who took out the Packers 22 to 10. The Eagles we've looked at as a Superbowl contender this year, the Packers what's to come of their future. What do they need to do in order to, to, to fix their team, particularly on the offensive side of the ball. And is Jordan love any better or just anywhere close to his predecessors? We're going to get to that next Fumble Rooski podcast.

It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumble Risky Podcast. Adam Wright, Chris Kostich, CJ Medeiros. So the Eagles beat the Packers 22 to 10. And this was kind of a slow one and you expect more obviously out of jordan love

12 yards he threw three picks and josh jacobs looked good again i I like Josh Jacobs. But between Jordan Love and Jaden Reed, I expected more this year out of the Packers. I understand Love has battled injuries this season, but there's just something about this Packers team that I just don't like. And I wonder if I – it's been a small sample size for Jordan Love. It's clear he can play in the NFL. It's clear he can be a starting quarterback in the NFL. But you know who else can?

Dak Prescott. You know who else could? When he was, when he still had a working Achilles? Kirk Cousins. There's a lot of quarterbacks who could be starting quarterbacks in the league but weren't typically Super Bowl guys. And I'm concerned for this Packers team because, like I teased before starting this segment, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, both quarterbacks who could win you a Super Bowl

and would be in contention year in, year out. Can Jordan Love do that too? And I'm starting to have some, between health and between, and his turnover issues, starting to have a little bit of doubt creep into my head. But guys, what are we thinking i mean i just feel like all around this game was over from the opening kickoff granted i also think the packers recovered that fumble on the opening kickoff but yes he did there's replays that show that he

literally had the ball in his hands. Okay, cool. You can have the ball in your hands. Literally doesn't mean you have control of it. Same thing as a catch. I think it should. Yes, it did. Literally not enough evidence to overturn the rule.

Yes, there was. I feel like there was not. Anyways, regardless of the point, from the moment that that turnover happened, it was over. The Eagles playoff game at home, I feel like what else were you going to expect? But at the end of the day, you also expect Jordan Love to have a much better day around the yard than he had in this one. But I guess that's Jordan Love outside of Toyotathon. I don't know why, but Jordan thon, you know, like,

I don't know why, but Jordan love during Toyota thon is like the greatest quarterback to ever live. And I guess that's the other thing with Jordan love. And it's the same thing with Brett Favre. Like he makes a lot of mistakes, but he also does a lot of great things. So you kind of have to deal with the good and the bad and know that a lot of

what you're going to get from Jordan love is a lot of good, but you're also going to have these types of performances. I feel like that everyone is going to need to expect that. But if we're going to say Jordan love, is it going to be a good quarterback and if not already a top 10 quarterback, then he needs to perform a lot better than what he did on Sunday. So really expected more.

But just the Eagles had a better game plan. I mean, granted, it wasn't even the best offensive day for them. It was really their defense that was the big show pony in this whole thing. CJ? The Green Bay Packers need to write the Toyota company a letter and say, if you could make Toyota-thon year-round, that'd be super. From September till early February. Yeah, that'd be super.

But until then, no, I'm sorry, Jordan Love. The Toyota-thon jokes aside, Jordan Love is so frustrating. Like, he should be good, and even if you take everything into consideration. You got to remember one thing. They were going into that game without Christian Watson, and during the game, they lost Jaden Reed and they lost Romeo Dobbs.

I mean, it got to the point where your number one wide receiver was Dontavian Wicks, and he's fine, but I don't think he's a number one, not by any stretch of the imagination. He's like a really high-end three. And as soon as all his weapons went down, we, you know, that's really a test of a quarterback. Can you do more with less? And his, you know, his chops were put to the test and it frankly was a test that he failed philly put this kid in hell like every player was a guy in his face and even when dobbs and reed were on the field dejean and mitchell just locked him up

i mean outside of like a big run from josh jacobs that got them into the red zone that josh jacobs touchdown philly didn't i mean the green bay didn't do a whole lot then again philly didn't either but then again they just they still did more than than green bay so i don't know what the answer is there i think the answer is that you need everyone on green bay healthy yeah but even still even if their entire wide receiver trio was healthy do they win probably not no i don't know anybody outside of the state of wisconsin that thought uh green bay was gonna win well cj the other thing you also have to put into account is that there was no jair alexander on the defensive side of the ball too but even still does how much of a difference does that

really make i i mean it makes a good amount of a difference that's uh i mean they don't win with him though yeah the eagles are a run first team it's even even if he was there they would just run all over him which they did yeah saquon barkley 119 rushing yards exactly and even if he is there how much is he really minimizing aj brown aj brown already didn't play that well, so basically it's like he never left. I mean, A.J. Brown had one catch on three targets. It's not even like they were trying to target him anyways. Yeah, so that's kind of... If they were throwing and trying to go Jair Alexander's way,

which they were going heavy run in this game, Philadelphia, they rushed the ball 34 times. They threw just 21. If they were going to go more pass heavy, do you think that he's beating, do you think that he's beating A.J. Brown? A.J. Brown's one of the better receivers in the game, and even if he does contain him, Devontae Smith and Dallas Goddard are there. So, I mean, that one back, a good defensive back, he's been one of the best in the league.

But I'm skeptical there. But for me, it's on the packers offense it's just a little underwhelmed when it comes to jordan love yeah i mean because you look at the defense like yeah you could say that the defense sucked but they also held philly to 22 points like 22 is about that average you would expect your offense to put up 24 per game which they're probably averaging right now i don't have the stats in front of me they i i expect more out of the packers yeah that's all i i expect more out of the Packers. Yeah. That's all. I expect more out of them.

Jordan Love needs to stay healthy, and the turnovers are becoming a huge problem. I mean, so 11 interceptions may not seem like much until you realize how many games that he missed this year. So he should have thrown more. And he throws them at the worst times possible. I mean, didn't he throw a couple the last time these two teams met on opening night in Brazil? He threw like one or two.

Let me double check that. He's clearly closer to the play style of Brett Favre, but at least brett farve uh he was able to play through the injuries and play well he was also i mean he was also able to throw many more touchdowns than jordan love has he's not only had one he only had one interception against philly in week one okay i'm just very skeptical with jordan love going forward and they already extended him obviously they were going to they they it was a three-year investment and then they started him

clearly they had confidence in the kid and maybe he get maybe he plays better in year three starting since this is going to be year six of him being in the league. But they're taking a gamble with this kid. They're taking, they took a gamble sitting him three years saying, this is a long-term investment. We know this kid is going to work out. Then they started him a year. He,

he played reasonably well for his first year through 30 touchdowns, just a nine and eight record. Um, and then they extended him right away. So if this kid ends up being more of a Dak Prescott than a Brett Favre or a, or an Aaron Rogers, then they're going to be stuck in football mediocrity for years. They may be a competitive team. I certainly think they'll be better than the Steelers, but they'll be a competitive team. They'll win 10, 11 games year in, year out,

maybe 12 or 13 from time to time. But how much do we trust Jordan Love in the playoffs? And we're not counting, sorry, we're not counting that game against Dallas. We're not counting sorry we're not counting that that game against dallas we're not counting dallas dallas doesn't count as a playoff game oh please not counting it nope he still he still went off in that game dallas doesn't count as a playoff game you want a playoff game the game against the 49ers he showed The game against the 49ers, he showed some heart. And even then, didn't he throw two picks? Yes.

One of them being the last play of the game. Yeah. Maybe things get better. Maybe they get better. He's going to... With some quarterbacks, the turnovers are going to pile up. But it becomes worth it when he throws 30 to 40 touchdowns a year and 4,000 to 5,000 yards.

So let's see what happens. This is only two years starting. And this year it was riddled with injuries. So maybe give him a full offseason to get healthy. Plays a healthy season, and he wins league MVP and wins the Super Bowl. Who knows? But I did expect more from him this year. Year two, I expected a bigger leap.

Jaden Reed, when he had his head screwed on straight this season, he was playing incredibly well. I expected more from him as the wide receiver one. Maybe they go and get somebody else. But I definitely expect more, but I certainly, I'm confident that the Packers will at least, at the very least, sort of be a playoff team year in, year out. And maybe they get lucky and win a Super Bowl here and there. Maybe. We'll see. All right, moving on to the next matchup, the Commanders beating the Buccaneers. This one was a much more competitive one, much more to be positive about for both sides. Pretty good game. That's next. This is the Fumble Rooski podcast.

It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, Chris Kostic.

And this one, so this matchup between the commanders who are visiting the Buccaneers, this one was a much better one. And for most of the game, the Buccaneers did have the lead. And Jaden Daniels threw the ball 35 times, completed 24 passes, 68 yards, two touchdowns. He was their lead rusher as well with 13 carries, 36 yards. Terry McLaurin, seven receptions, 89 yards, and a touchdown. My main takeaway here, and I expect a little bit of debate because I already know that there's disagreement. The amount of aggression that we have seen league-wide

in the past few years, I think, is getting a little out of control. It worked out for the commanders here, but it could have easily not had it not been for the fumble by Tampa Bay in their own territory resulting in a Washington touchdown. I've spoken out against Dan Campbell being overly aggressive before, earlier this season, and during the NFC Championship last year. I'm going to be consistent and say Dan Quinn was playing with fire here. It worked out against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but in a matchup next week where you have the Lions,

there's going to be no punts, just vibes. But I'm not against going forward on fourth down. I'm not against it at all. I'm not against being aggressive. I just think there needs to be a little bit of control here because the Lions would be in the Superbowl if they just showed a little bit of restraint and the commanders wouldn't have won just barely by a doink field goal. should have been a chip shot by the way that's they won off a walk off a walk-off field goal and that one was oh my god they were they very nearly choked away that game but um it wouldn't be close if they had just taken the points in the times where they missed on those fourth down conversions and that's my takeaway there i see that's the problem i have because you're essentially saying that baker

mayfield is still fumbling that football and lord knows if he's still fumbling that football on the next drive if washington hits that field goal it becomes about it does become a butterfly effect but you those are still times where you should have just taken the points. That doesn't have anything to do with what happened on the field. You've got to take your chances sometimes. It's a game of give and take. That's the whole idea of it. Obviously, you're not not gonna get every single

fourth down but you have to have the confidence that you're gonna get every single fourth down like yeah fourth and goal from the five or whatever was fourth and goal from the three i'm going for it fourth and goal i will go for that 20 times out of 20 because i agree with yeah i agree with it every now and then. All I'm saying is that just a little bit of restraint here. It works. This is the argument for it. It's like, oh, see, it worked.

See, it worked. It works. It always works until it doesn't. Okay, spin zone. What about the confidence? The confidence issue at that point. Say, say, Washington, say we go back to that game first time around, fourth and goal from the three.

What about the confidence in your kicker? Obviously, you have, if a kicker can't make a 10-yard field goal, he should not be in the league. Obviously, he's going, your kicker's going to make that 20 times out of 20 as well. You have to, like, if you don't, like, the confidence of your team at that point of your offense, led by a rookie quarterback, if you're basically saying, I don't trust my guys to go get one yard, I don't trust them to get one yard, so I'm going to send the kicking unit

out there. You're basically saying that I don't think that my guys can get one yard and like one yard, one yard. Like you have to take those risks. I would agree with you on plays where it's where it would be a long field goal. But as far as just take sometimes, sometimes you do need to just take the points because that's a logical thing to do. The risk to reward is just too great there. And on top of that, too,. And on top of that too, if you have a goal-to-go scenario, say like in the Washington game where it's goal-to-go inside the five,

that's a field position game at that point as well. If you don't get it,'ve now pinned tampa on their own three yard line but they're still up they're still up a possession anyways they're you're playing from behind that field goal means a lot in a close game like this if we're gonna say that then washington kicks the field goal They're still down a possession anyways. Right. But you're at least closer. It's like, it's like the going for,

uh, what was it? It's like, uh, it's like kicking it when you're down sick. It's like kicking it when you're down seven. It's like kicking it only to still need a touchdown. Anyways,

it's still the same idea. You're still down in the game. You want to take that lead and take that risk to get the momentum. You're willing to risk losing momentum to get that momentum. That wasn't the scenario, though. They were down four. So three. No, I feel.

I know. I'm just speaking like in terms of like other scenarios in general as well yeah some scenarios it works i'm not i'm not i'm not against just being aggressive i i'm all i'm saying is that there's there should be a little bit of restraint there on on plays like this where you have you're down four just just take the points and it's it's the third quarter you have plenty of time take the points and you're right there it was the fourth and it's it's the third quarter you have plenty of time take the points and you're right there it was the fourth quarter it was the third quarter i'm looking at it right now was it yeah it was in the beginning it was around about halfway through the fourth quarter

when the the go-ahead the go-ahead touchdown for washington happened then the Buccaneers went down and took the game tying field goal. Then obviously the walk-off win for Washington, but it was, it was in the, it was, it was, yeah, no, no, it, it was, it was in the fourth. It was the beginning of the fourth quarter. Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. So beginning of the fourth quarter, it's around same, same early third, late fourth. Yeah. Yeah. So beginning of the fourth quarter, it's around the same early third, late fourth.

Yeah. Yeah. They started the drive late third and ended it late. Or now you're getting me screwed up. Fuck. But no, I get I get what you're saying, though. Yeah. Like, yeah, you have time, but you also have to think about the fact that like

great Washington ended up with two more drives but you never know you could be in a scenario where it's Philly and Pittsburgh and Philly doesn't let Pittsburgh touch the ball at all in the fourth quarter because you never know that type of thing is going to happen so sometimes you don't want to take that risk as well yeah yeah so i i'm not overall sides of the coin to this yeah there's always going to be two sides of the coin and i'll continue to fight you on it. Sure. And I'll, I'll continue to say there needs to be just at one point. At what point do we just say, just take the points. We're right there.

We still have plenty of, still have plenty of game left. That's all I'm saying. Just sometimes, sometimes you don't need to, you don't need to go for it on every fourth down. Like I, if we're talking first half,

I can agree with you in the first half but fourth quarter is where i say like we need to start pushing a little bit more first half i think i can agree with you more though yeah so if it's early fourth quarter then i'm i'm still probably taking the points even if it's a four-point game. But listen, I don't think we're going to find any compromise here. The only compromise is in the first half of the games or the first three quarters of games. Let's pass the baton to CJ. Overall, what are your thoughts? He's sitting there all cute and shit.

Well, first of all, no ditty. Second of all, I'm sorry to speak up. I was too – nah. Anyway, I was just too ent enthused shall we say first out here looking pretty all right cool uh basically my stance is this all right just hear me out when it comes to the whole aggression thing context matters because if it's a game like that where let's be real that wasn't tampa's best game sure they ended up scoring 20 but they weren't really looking great you know baker didn't even have 200 yards on the day it would turn out and he knew he wasn't going to get it by the time they went for it so if you're washington yeah it wouldn't make sense however if you're in a shootout this is

like hypothetically right if you're in a shootout then you take points wherever they can come because if you get it and you fail and the other offense is humming yeah i don't care you've got them pinned inside their own five they're probably gonna get a field goal just because of like how it's you know how they're moving the ball so like i said i guess it depends if you're going to give possibly give the ball back to a cold tampa team that's better but if they're playing hot then you absolutely got to get the points but either way i digress the situation like i said it literally entirely depends on the other team. How they're playing literally should dictate what you do because, you know, that's how it works. It's the whole reason why Dan Campbell went for the onside kick with 10 minutes in the fourth quarter.

Exactly. So. Sorry, Adam. I was just going to say one last point I wanted to touch. As far as Tampa Bay, their direction right now, they're eliminated now. Chris Godwin's a free agent. Baker Mayfield's another quality year in Tampa Bay. Clearly he's revived his career.

Do we see them ever being a Super Bowl contender with Baker Mayfield? Not as long as they have Todd Bowles, which is what I was going to lead into. I do not like Todd Bowles. I think he's a good defensive coach or at least a good defensive coordinator. But if his his jets tenure showed us anything he probably shouldn't be in charge of the offense and at this point it's safe to assume that he's not getting canned and i know what you're thinking oh but offensively you'll look at baker mayfield well i got news for you all those who say that liam cohen their offensive coordinator is probably going to get a head coaching job this offseason.

Tampa better thank their lucky star if he doesn't. But, oh, oh, my God, if he gets an OC job somewhere else and Bowles has to hire a new OC, then they are seven layers of screwed. I don't think Bowles, I mean, can they win a Super Bowl with Baker? I mean, he's got the spunk too. He's got the moxie, you know, he's got everything you want. He's got the personality. He's even got the stats too. But can he win with a Todd Bowles? No, no, he can't. And even though Bowles is a good defensive coach Jaden Daniels straight up bullied that defense I remember at the end of the fourth quarter the defense we're at the offense the Tampa defense was playing conservative they didn't rush the passer at all during that game they ran

contained because Jaden Daniels had them playing scared hell they were running at the end two spy sets. Forget just one QB spy, they were running two. Jayden Daniels had them so scared that they literally did not run a traditional rush. They just ran contain and they used two QB spies. And here's the thing. It's kind of like the blitz, right? When you bring one player closer, that's one player less that you have in the defensive backfield. Conversely, use a spy that's either one player that you don't have rushing or that you don't have in coverage. And Jane Daniels made them pay every time. He quite literally had that defense playing scared. So, yeah, we could talk about the fourth downs all we want, but this win goes to Jayden Daniels, and I'm happy for the guy.

I think the craziest thing about that is how much pressure he faced in week one against Tampa. And then, as you mentioned, CJ, even the last drive of the game, that really wasn't – first play of the game, they sent the motherfucking blitz. But after that, it was cool sailing for Jayden, especially that last drive. Yeah. This entire quarterback draft class from 2004 draft is awesome.

It looks great. And I'm so glad every team who went quarterback in round one is going to be thanking themselves for going quarterback in this draft. Every single one of them including including this next team we are about to cover which the vikings they lose to the rams in an upset 27-9 and we're going to discuss their mini quarterback controversy, the Vikings. That's all next. This is the Fumble Rooski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet,

but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumbaruski Podcast. Adam Wright, Chris Kostic, CJ Medeiros. So, the Vikings wound up losing in an upset to the Rams,

and it wasn't particularly close 27 to 9 the Rams beat him with experience in the postseason and listen Sam Darnold is definitely the guy we look at here and I was skeptical listen I don't want to take anything away from the year that Sam Darnold has had. Throwing 35 touchdown passes and over 4,000 yards and leading your team to a 14-3 record than just a system. Sam Darnold's a system quarterback. He's taking advantage of Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison being his top receivers. He has a great defense that's carrying him.

Offensive line is really good. All of this is true, but you still need production in order for all of this to work out. You still need to get him the ball. Not just to work out, but to win 14 games, to throw 35 touchdown passes. I mean, this was an incredible season for Sam Donald. So I don't want to take anything away from that. All I am saying is when Sam Donald, when everyone said when Sam Donald was playing in those really bad systems with the jets and the Panthers, yes, that is all true that he was not playing. He was not playing in the best environment to develop. I get it. This is the perfect scenario for a quarterback who's sort of had a troubled past as far as as far as situations to step into to to develop in when you first start

in the league all i was and i said this earlier in the year a few weeks ago name the negative on this team name the negative you have the. Name the negative. You have the, one of the better defensive coordinators in all of football. You have a really good defense as far as, as far as personnel goes. You have a good offensive line that keeps him on his feet and gives him time to throw. You have a really good, I mean, probably the best in the league as far as pass catchers go. And a great offensive minded head coach. So again, like name the negative on this team. And again, on a just decent roster, maybe Sam Darnold is still pretty good, but to throw 35 touchdown passes, that sounds like it's more of a supporting cast thing than a Sam Darnold thing. And I also pointed out the

next gen stats line, which was that Sam Darnold took 3.08 seconds on average this season to throw the ball. And this week he was sacked nine times. And I saw on a lot of those plays, he was holding the ball and trying to find who to throw to. Now it's great to have a good offensive line. In fact, it's imperative to have an offensive line that keeps you on your feet, but you also need to be at when, when you're being pressured, you need to be able to get the ball out quick. And if you're holding the ball on average for three seconds, that tells me you're taking advantage of a great, just taking advantage of a great situation. You don't need that much time to throw the ball when you have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison.

You have time to throw almost all the time when you have the offensive line that you do. And I think that's the issue that ultimately came up for Sam Darnold. And he's revived his career. He's going to be in the league for a few more years. I just think, this is just a small prediction here, it's going to be somewhere else. And the Vikings are very lucky that they took a quarterback 10th overall because they're going to be this, this pick here.

This pick was, it was important. I don't think we were, anyone was expecting what we got from Sam Darnold, but this game is sneaky fortunate for the Vikings because if he played well in this loss, they probably would have held on to him and probably traded away J.J. McCarthy. I'm not telling you that J.J. McCarthy can play or that he can't, but I am certainly saying that Sam Darnold, we know what he is. I think you can get a lot more out of J.J. McCarthy. So there's my case for them moving on from Sam Darnold.

Props to him. Give him his flowers for having a great season. He's going to get the bag this offseason for whichever quarterback-needy team gives it to him. But I don't think he's as good as his statistics says. That'sy team gives it to him. But I don't think he's as good as his statistics says. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah, unfortunately, he did

play himself out of a contract extension. I feel like this when I saw this game, I was over at my buddy's place, me and all my friends, and we were just talking about how this game was basically watching

that one monday night football game against the patriots where he was seeing like he was seeing ghosts like even the touchdown pass he had to tj hawkinson was not a good throw and there was so many terrible balls and it was the same thing in detroit as well i mean it's one thing that you're getting pressure in your face like every other play and and whatnot but oh my god he was just panicking like he that's that was the biggest takeaway is that he panicked every almost every single pass play i mean we figured it out like he needs his time to throw that's he processes the game a little slower than some of the other quarterbacks but but at the same time like props to the ramps defense because they were stunning the living fuck out of them they were

stunning on every single play and they were giving this line fits. And I think that this was a big mixture of the Vikings O-line selling and Sam Darnold just not seeing the field correctly. And there was some open guys that a lot of open receivers that he missed, whether it have been a bad throw or he just wasn't looking their way. And as you mentioned, Adam, it resulted in him holding onto the ball. So I would say that in terms of the nine sacks that he took, I'd say it's probably 50-50. And in terms of other years that he was in the league,

I went back and looked at his average time to throw every other year. He throws it in less time, but his stats are not nearly as good yeah like it's it's not even like he had a fantastic regular season but as he said it's probably gonna end up being somewhere else at this point cj this game was in fact sneaky fortunate for the vikings like you said because i'm sorry the qb controversy is over now and i don't care you know over 4 000 yards over 30 touchdowns or even that he takes three seconds to throw the ball my stance is simply this. When the lights were brightest for him, the two biggest games of the season, week 18 against the Lions and now, he folded. The lights were simply too

bright for him. And once again, he saw ghosts. The Rams dropped him what did you say nine times because i remember i stopped i stopped counting around the seven sack mark so so nine just god cj it was like it's so it was so bad they couldn't get a screen pass yeah and the balls were like the balls like the placement was terrible just the throwing like like you said the hawkinson when i watched that replay that ball was behind him he had to slow down turn reach his arms behind him to grab that ball and and then he was able to thankfully take it in but that's the thing balls just thrown behind his receivers. He was slow on his reads. It was just awful. I wouldn't use the term exposed, but I would definitely say his Cinderella story is over.

The clock struck midnight and he's turned back into a pumpkin. But as for the Rams, they took that high-powered Vikings offense and just shut them down. That's what you got to like. I mean, definitely, I think they're playing with a chip on their shoulders due to the unfortunate tragedy that's happening in LA right now. I'll do you one better. They're playing a chip on their shoulder because of Dan Campbell's

selling. Oh yeah, that too. See in the second round. Yeah, not seeing the divisional. Yeah, not anymore. You're not. So, yeah. The Jews second round like yeah not seeing the divisional yeah not anymore you're not yep so yeah so the Jews to go all the way I'm just saying that remains to be seen but in the meantime I was gonna say the Rams totally earned it they were just the better team Vikings you know this always happens they play really well they go to the first round and and then once again every time the clock

strikes midnight and it's just over we're so used to this happening for the vikings they find a stop gap qb that plays really well that or even without a stop gap they just have a quarterback that plays really well you know they go to the first round and then they're out. God, they're just basically the purple Steelers, but with a better record. They do it every year. They find, I mean, they either find the journeyman quarterback or they'll find a has-been who's kind of just looking for, to milk the last ounce of football out of them,

like the, you know, the Randall Cunninghams or the Brett Favres of the world. And they get a really good season out of them, like the Randall Cunninghams or the Brett Favres of the world. And they get a really good season out of them. With the skill position players they have year in, year out, for their entire existence, by the way. They have these great seasons. And by the time they reach the postseason, they get punched in the mouth. It happens all the time. And you can trace it back to their quarterback decisions. They'd rather find the career years out of the journeyman quarterbacks than get the good consistent play out of a franchise guy. And I thought they corrected their mistake. I hope they

do this off season. They correct their mistakes from their entire existence and they just invest in JJ McCarthy. I hope they do that because if they find the, if this kid is the right guy, then they should be a lot more consistent and maybe they are actually Superbowl contenders and they get their first one ever. But it's, it's, you can, it's not like it's a mystery as to why they, they are one of the more successful organizations as far as getting wins. And then in the postseason, it's a different story. It's not hard to figure that out. Because they've been cheaping out of the quarterback position their entire time. So, we know what they need to do.

Yeah. JJ McCarthy, next up. All right. We're going to move on, and this is going to be our last segment of the show. The newest head coach hire, Mike Vrabel, is going to be a New England Patriot. We're going to get to that next,

what it means for the Patriots going forward, and what we believe Mike Rabel's role is going to be outside of just head coaching, potentially playing a Bill Belichick-type role, just doing everything and making every decision. That definitely won't be a mistake. That's next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet,

but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumble Rooski Podcast by Power 88 and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright, Chris Kostitz, CJ Medeiros. The New England Patriots decided the head coaching hiring process was a race,

and they wanted to get there first and just hire their guy as quick as possible. Luckily, the guy they wanted was one of the top head coaching candidates out there for this coaching cycle. It is Mike Vrabel. And in his time as the Tennessee Titans head coach, he did have a winning record. He did help make Ryan Tannehill a 30 plus touchdown pass quarterback. He was working with AJ Brown and Derrick Henry as his true superstar players on the offensive side of the ball. And he was, listen, I believe I said this on the show, but I was very skeptical about Mike Vrabel. My preference was Ben Johnson for the Patriots, but I've talked myself into it. I think things are, I, I think things are going to be okay in New England. I think what Vrabel will do is he is going to establish a winning culture.

What he is going to do is he is going to hold players accountable. He wants to remove entitlement from their locker room. These are all things that he said during his opening press conference. So I'm cautiously optimistic. And as far as his run first style in Tennessee goes, when you have Derek Henry, as you're running back and Ryan Tannehill as your quarterback and AJ Brown is your wide receiver, which one are you going to prioritize? Which ones are you going to prioritize? is derrick henry your superstars aj brown and derrick henry now if he comes into new england here and in his in his first two years as a head

coach he's running the ball with remandre stevenson and antonio gibson the entire time then i'll be like okay what's going on here but their superstar player for the patriots is Drake May. That is their young upcoming player. If he is not able to prioritize that guy, then that's a problem. But when I look at this, according to Mike Reese, according to Adam Schefter, according to Greg Bedard, all of them have said the same thing, that Mike Vrabel is going to have the final say on personnel staff. He's going to be leading the front office.

He brought his own guy. He was there in Tennessee, and for the Giants when they had a great draft last year. Ryan Cowden, he brought him in with him. What does this all tell you? Just put the pieces together. He wanted the job because of Drake May. He gets full say in the front office in a year where they have $130 million in cap. You're the fourth overall pick.

Do you think that he would keep the roster bare? No. And it's not in his character for Mike Vrabel to just be complacent and just not do anything. And he has a chip on his shoulder. He lost 18 of his last 24 games with Tennessee. He was fired wrongfully. He didn't want AJ Brown traded. He has a chip on his shoulder right now. He may have had an ego problem over in Tennessee, but the thing with egos is once they are checked,

then it's gone. And suddenly you have to prove yourself again that you can be mike rabel and i think we're going to see that what do you guys think you know you mentioned that rabel might if he brings this ground and pound game like who does drake may like yeah obviously you you want to prioritize Drake May and be able to utilize him in every way possible. But the Patriots literally have the worst wide receiver room in the league. Who does he have to throw to? Like you're going to have to prioritize more of the running game and develop

Drake May more throughout practice and whatnot. But granted, like, you know, he was able to develop A.J. Brown into a Pro Bowl caliber receiver. And maybe he does the same thing with guys like Javon Baker and Jalen Polk. Who knows? But I think until you can distinguish who your go-to guys are and establish trust that you can air it out 30 to 40 times a game with, then you're going to kind of have to stay with the ground and pound for now.

But I think outside of that, this is who the Patriots needed to establish this type of culture. I think everyone and their mother knew what Vrabel was going to bring to the table in terms of what the locker room was going to look like. Because that's what was missing from this past season from the Patriots was accountability. And I think that's the biggest theme of this hire accountability accountability accountability accountability and hopefully in Rabel's words they put out a product that the team is proud of person the players are proud of the coaches are are proud of, the coaches are proud of, and most importantly, the fans are proud of. So the only problem, they're definitely going to try and establish a winning culture, and they will. The thing is, in order to do it, you can't establish a winning culture if you don't have the horses to win with.

So that's why I'm very optimistic as far as 130 million in cap space new guy in the front office has all the control who's trying to prove himself craft's giving him the okay that's what you need though hey rabel's an alpha make him a fucking alpha if he doesn't do anything and he just lets his ego run wild again, fire him immediately. But yeah, but I think that like Rabel loves the Patriots. Like, I think it's one thing that he was over in Tennessee,

but Rabel truly loves the new England Patriots. Like he won three fucking rings here. Went to a fourth Super Bowl. Was a pro bowler here. I think he was an all-pro. I forget. But he paid his dues here. He knows what it takes to win. And that's the type of guy that the Patriots

need to establish that culture again. Most importantly, accountability! Accountability! It's all you need. And fuck Felger and Maz because they did everything they could to just tear down the entire press conference on Monday

so they can go fuck themselves per usual. I heard it, but I also heard some of what they were showing from some insiders from Tennessee, which make me a little bit skeptical. Yeah, well, Felger and Maz also just do everything they can to shit on boston on every single boston sports team they don't act they're not actually fans they just yeah i don't even know like what their deal is honestly ever i mean if you like felgar maz you're probably a loser i mean that's just what it is. Everybody's like, oh, I can't wait until you're at Felger and Maz has to say,

go outside and touch some grass. And by the way, isn't Felger the bastard that he is? Isn't he like a Packers fan or something equally terrible? He is. Oh, I don't even know. Yeah. And also, by the way, fun tip about Felger and Maz before I get to my thoughts on the Mayo hiring.

When the Boston Celtics won the NBA championship, they were actually crapping all over the team. I remember that. They'll never be happy. Somebody better get them some antidepressants or some weed and tell them to just chill the F out. Although them shitting on the Bruins right now is very much needed.

I don't know. It's justified. It's justified. Even when they win, every Boston sports team could win the chip for like the next two decades and they would just be angry, but whatever. Yeah.

The problem, the thing I have about Felger and Maz is they are the complete reverse of what we get in Boston sports. Whenever they win, they are what Felger and Maz are, are a reality check. They are the pump the brakes. This is, this is not all what people are saying that is positive around here. And I think sometimes, especially with the Celtics, especially with the Celtics,

sometimes we need a reality check. That's okay. What do you want? Reality check isn't like everything's terrible. Like, like they go out. I mean, they go on air and they talk like their dog died. Like when the Celtics won. Yeah,

sure. I mean, sure. Might not be perfect, but, but there's a difference between a reality check and just like, I hate everyone and everything. My point is they're subhuman.

They pander to the lowest common denominator but whatever my thoughts on the glass half empty yeah if we're overly optimistic and just always being happy about the team how will the how will there ever be change within the organization without the fans booing and chanting hire vrabel or fire Mayo, none of this would happen. Okay, cool. But they didn't need Felger and Maz to do that. But my point is- They're a good instrument.

They could, huh, what? They're a good instrument. They help. No, they're really not. I don't really think they help. Whenever I'm pissed about Boston sports- Robert Kraft could pull Jesus H. Christ himself from the heavens. He's overrated.

And be the head coach and Felger and Mads would just sit there and say, Nuh-uh, my wife's boyfriend doesn't like him, so I don't. That's probably what they say. It's what they're saying. We can't let him get complacent. We can't let him get complacent. I don't want to hear how great things will be i want results constantly i don't want any problem but whatever i don't want any reason i don't want any reason for any boston sports owner to get complacent i want for the

boston sports fan base to be constantly constantly demanding for championships. That's what separates the New England area from Phoenix or any other down south area that only cares about just sitting on a beach with a drink. Give me something else. Ah, yes, the beach in Phoenix. But yeah, basically my thoughts, all right, I just want to say Felger and Maz really are such a powerful instrument. That's really why they got John Henry to change for the Red Sox.

See what I mean? They didn't. But anyway, but my point on the Vrabel hiring is this. I like it. I think it's good. And also, I'm actually, I won't say confident, but I'm fairly optimistic that New England won't be another run first dink and dunk offense like they were after Tom Brady left with Belichick and after they were with Mayo because Rabel like literally mentioned being passed first during the press

conference. And Rabel isn't like Mayo where he's going to come out and make a bunch of grand statements. If Rabel says something, it's because ravel means it and so that is something reason oh you know you gotta throw the ball you got i'm like yes thank you but yeah and also able what makes me really optimistic is the connections he has around the league and the fact that he's a well-liked and well-respected coach so maybe just maybe the suck tax that you're going to have to pay as a bad team to get good free agents might be reduced a tad.

And he could probably work in better free agents too, I would also think. So, honestly, this was the right pick. And I know a lot of people wanted Ben Johnson. I know, Adam, you were going back and forth about it. My only thing with Ben Johnson is this. I mean, do you really want another rookie head coach? We don't know who his connections are. We don't know what the staff was going to be.

We don't even know how he is coaching defense. And, yeah, we also don't know how much Detroit's offensive success is Dan Campbell or how much is Ben Johnson? Either way, we're going to see. I'm not saying Ben Johnson would have been bad. It's just like, I think Bray already has a proven track record and he's got more of a chip on his shoulder too, which is something you got to like as a fan. So I love, I'll end with this. I love the fact that accountability was the main theme of his press conference.

You know, accountability, a sense of, you know, family with the team, you know, where everybody's held accountable, everybody knows each other, and just the dignity of hard work. That is something that I think was lacking in the previous regime. And it was. There was no accountability. And a head coach who, after getting smoked by the Cardinals coming off a bi-week where you looked

unprepared, went in and played cards with players on the plane. That's ridiculous. And that's why other coaches were watching film. Yeah. Or everybody else was watching film. And honestly, and the fact that he gets say in the front office does put me at ease

because unlike the both of you, I have said I think Elliott Wolfe should get another year just because unlike coaches, GMs, their jobs are more multifaceted and you really can't judge someone based on – I never said I wanted Elliott Wolfe out. I don't remember, but I'll take your word for it. But I'm just saying but if you did i get it i do i just think it needs one more year but as a whole i like that and by the way when we talk about how his tenure in tennessee ended you have to look at who the gm was it was john

robinson who was one of the worst gms in the league and on top of that uh brable started butting heads with ran carthon and they eventually you know chose carthon over rabel and look what happens now that carthon got exposed you know after rabel left carthon's gone so i'll leave you with that guys either way i think it's a good hiring i think bruski also put it best afterwards because rape, and he used the term humble pie, which was a very notorious term from the original three Super Bowl dynasty from the Patriots. You're weekly serving of humble pie, and everything might be good.

You might think that everything's great, and it's kind of like what Adam said with Felger and Maz. Like it's the reality check that sometimes you need. But I think you can say the same thing about Vrabel and that he's going to be serving a lot of humble pie. Especially in the front office. He needs it. Especially in the front office.

Never mind with the players, but especially in the front office never mind with the players but especially in the front office i i definitely think that this is going to be good because we now know that brable was brought in to make the decisions at first we were like well how much of a say is he going to have is he going to be working under elliot wolf or is elliot wolf going to be working under Elliott Wolfe, or is Elliott Wolfe going to be working under him? Now we know, according to three different sources, that it's going to be Vrabel. He's going to be calling the shots, and he has a chip on his shoulder. He's not the egotistical Mike Vrabel who's firing offensive coordinator after offensive coordinator and bringing in scrubs and saying,

look what I can do with this guy. He has something to prove. From what I have seen from a specific insider from Tennessee, the pro about Mike Vrabel is that he's Bill Belichick. The con about Mike Vrabel is that he's Bill Belichick. The issue with that is that at the end with Belichick, he got too complacent because he's Bill Belichick. He believed that he could do anything. Even when he made bad moves, he could just turn water into wine. This is the, I think the version we're going to get of Bill Belichick is the one earlier on in the dynasty when they were trying to win championships year in, year out.

Always trying to improve the team. Always putting his best foot forward and bringing in good personnel. That's probably what we're going to get. Also, Bill Belichick, when he had Tom Brady, was pretty damn good. Vrabel has a young and up and coming kid in Drake May. And if he's everything that we believe he can be a Josh Allen clone and boy, are things going to get good? I'm excited. Let's hope.

I'm excited. One last, one last mini point here. There is a lot. He has a lot of connections as, as you guys mentioned, AJ Brown is rumored in trades for this offseason and uh apparently they have a very close relationship they do

they and different conference i think the eagles would be more inclined to trade a.j brown to a team that's a dumpster fire for now, that would be a good first step. And also he's going to be, AJ Brown's going to be 28. You'll get a few good years out of them. It'll get the ball rolling. So then you have a lot of things that you could do, but with the money and resources,

the Patriots have this off season with all the needs that they have, they will be able to cover most of them. If they actually take the effort to do it, but they have to do it. If they don't, if they get complacent and they just do nothing or just do minimum of the bare minimum, then you're, you're probably not even going to finish above 500. But if you, let's say if they do everything right to expect maybe nine, ten wins next year, probably nine, those are incredible steps in the right direction. But they have to do everything the correct way. They have to address their needs, and they have to do it swiftly.

All right, that's all the scheduled content that we have for today. But do you guys have any other thoughts before we finish the show tonight? I'm excited for next season for the Patriots. I'm excited. Excited for next season. Excited for the divisional round. Hopefully it's a better round of playoff games. I'm certainly excited for the Ravens-Bills one.

That one's going to be fun. The NFL committee fucked up, guys. The NFL committee fucked up. All right. I'm making a college football joke. That'll do it for us tonight. Thank you for listening to us. We have new episodes out on Tuesdays at 7.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time

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