The Fumblerooski Podcast - Self-Sabatoge -Ep 175 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: April 8, 2023

Is Tyreek Hill making the right choice to retire after his contract is up in 2025? Should NFL teams better-evaluate players' morality with Joe Mixon's and other players' legal troubles? What should the Lions do with the #6 overall pick? Adam Wright and CJ Medeiros host special guest Jack Hartman to debate these topics and more!

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Sammy Watkins for the touchdown. Tyreek Hill has set early retirement plans ahead of time while Joe Mixon is trying to end his career early. This is the Fumble Ruski podcast by Power Radiate and Secret Weapon Consulting. I'm Adam Wright with CJ Medeiros, and we do have a great show planned for you guys tonight. As I have mentioned previously, Tyreek Hill is set to retire. We'll talk a little bit about that. We'll talk about the Bengals just in general this offseason. Not just Joe Mixon, but also Jamar Chase a little bit, and how this team is. Some of these star players are just trying to make things go wrong for them.

And, of course, we're also going to talk the Lions in their draft again and joining us to cover all of these topics. Coming back for the show for the third time, we have special guest Jack Hartman. Jack, how are you doing tonight? I'm doing great. Thanks, Adam. Thanks, CJ, for having me back. I'm super excited to, uh, to talk some ball, um, and, uh, and talk about the draft here in a little bit. Uh, and it's slow off season is,

as you guys, you know, we've, we talked about a little bit, but, uh, but drafts just around the corner, which means it's going to ramp up and super excited. So. Absolutely, man. I cannot wait to cover the draft it's always a great time and we have a co-host here cj you know me i'm a big draft guy like every 10 seconds during april i'm sure i'm surprised he hasn't done it enough i'm pretty sure it's just because i've let him know that it pisses me off that he keeps doing that, but next week, next week. All right. Well, we're going to jump right into it. So Tyreek Hill has announced on a recent podcast that he is going to retire in 2025 when his contract with

the dolphins ends. And I don't know about you guys, but when I thought about it, I mean, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense for Tyreek. So this is a guy who just in his, in his play style, he relies on his speed, right? Once that goes, then he's not the same player anymore. But so I, I think that's a really good idea for him. And you know, he'll be 31 once his contract is up, he's playing in Miami. I mean, that's a really good idea for him. And he'll be 31 once his contract is up. He's playing in Miami. I mean, that's practically a retirement home. Great place to hang up the cleats here.

And he seems to enjoy himself there. Ever since he's been there, he's said nothing but nice things. He's making friends with all the players. He's having a great time over there. Not that he didn't in Kansas City where they were winning every other year, but this is a fairly competitive ball club and they could win a Superbowl in the next couple of years. So this is a pretty solid decision for him if he does decide to go through with this. And you know, this is, he probably won't be the same player if he does play past 2025

when he's 31. So I don't know about you guys, but I think this is a good decision for him. Jack, do you want to go? No, go ahead. Oh, well, this is something. Now, the thing is with Tyreek Hill, as a fan of an afc's team i applaud this i swear to god if he's lying i'm gonna cry i mean it doesn't seem like he is but yeah the but now but now that we know we tyreek hill does have like a retirement date in mind i don't know who would be more scared the miami fan base or his

son but you know that's uh that's a conversation we can have for another day so i i don't know this is just kind of like a weird situation i don't think i've really ever heard a player say this before he's like all right and the, in these coming years, I'm done. It's just I'm honestly kind of at a loss for words. Like this is so unprecedented. And I want to pose a question to you guys. What do you think the odds are that he's lying? I don't think that he's lying.

I think he could change his mind. Okay, then we'll be watching him change his mind. I think that's the best way to put it. Because, like, I don't think – who would just lie about that? That's just – there's no motive to actually lie about retiring, like, three years from now. It just wouldn't make – it would be two years. But it just wouldn't make sense. Like two years but it just wouldn't make sense

like he could change his mind and feel you know i like it here in miami or like maybe i want to go ring chase somewhere else join a team for a year or two i mean yeah i think he might change his mind i think if anything him saying that like intentionally lying um if anything would just hurt him um because then you know maybe maybe after this year the Dolphins it's like bam next year is the year we just need this one piece right and you know instead of them thinking about getting that one piece they're thinking about you know come draft time come free agency they them thinking about getting that one piece, they're thinking about, you know, come draft time, come free agency. They're thinking about we should really lock down a wide receiver because Tyree Kill is done this year. We could even potentially trade him before the trade deadline to get some get something out of him. You know, so I feel like if anything, if he were, you know, the only angle that would be the reason for him to lie about this is to hopefully encourage the Dolphins to, you know, be a little more aggressive in getting guys to compete.

But I think if anything, he would just be hurting himself by doing that because I think they'd just be trying to find, okay, how do we live life beyond Tyreek Hill in this situation? Yeah. The only example of something like this that comes to mind is, and this is kind of crossing sports, is Kevin Durant. When he was 30, he was on the Golden State Warriors at the time, and he said that he wanted to only play till 35 and he would hang it up he's 34 right now i'm not sure exactly when his so his birthday is september 29th which would mean he's turning 35 that would mean this upcoming season's going to be his last so i don't even i don't know if maybe he changed his mind or maybe he was just saying that and he forgot but maybe that's kind of a type of situation he's just kind of talking

and he's just feeling himself right now you know he's feeling the place he's at also what do you what do you think about what this says about the place that he's in now in Miami. The fact that he says he wants to retire after his contract ends. Does that tell you, does that speak to Miami in a negative manner or maybe a positive where he, he's happy and he wants to end on a high note. I'm just trying to think about that here. I could see it going both ways. Like, like on the one hand,

yeah, you know, most, most guys, you know, most of the really, really big guys, but I mean, guys in general, but the, the really, really, you know, all pro, you know, pro bowl, those big named superstar dudes, they always want to get that one more ring before they retire. And normally it's pretty obvious that that's the thing that's keeping them from retiring. You know, like, you know, you look at Brady. I mean, Brady's an interesting situation because he did come back. But the reason that I think that he didn't hang it up after, you know, he left the Patriots and went somewhere else is because he's like I want one more ring and to stick it to New England a little bit um and Bill

Belichick but you you know you look at um all across sports you know the the reason that Tim Duncan waited so long he wanted that one more ring when he was with the Spurs you know so a lot of guys so I think in a way it could be negative because it just he's he's saying that without there really seem like in a way him saying that also implies that he's not sure the Dolphins are ever going to get there um um but also at the same time it could just be you know it could be looked on the positive just like I've had quite the career. I'm really enjoying my time here. And I want to go out on a high note where I'm one of the highest paid wide receivers in the league.

I have a max deal. You know, I'm not bouncing around with these one year deals like Odell Beckham Jr. is right now, you know, and just really, really go out on a high note and enjoying Miami, you know? So I think, I really think it could be looked at either way. Um, just depending on, you know, what perspective, what perspective you're looking at it from. Yeah. I'm kind of just thinking out loud when I'm, when I bring up that question of whether or not it's a positive or negative thing about the place he's in, but also looking at it on the other end end towards the negative side if it is negative and he does believe that he could just never win a ring here he would say he wants to retire a lot sooner than in 2025 right maybe maybe not i mean they're paying him well you know they're paying him well um he hasn't health-wise he's been surprisingly a lot healthier than most wide receivers that, you know, have had as many miles on them as he has. So, you know, there there isn't the, you know, sort of the ailments or the, you know, has blown his ACL enough times.

And the doctors are like, if this happens one more time, you know, it's like done, done, you know, and you're walking with a cane for the rest of your life or anything like that so i i think the money is there that would that would keep him from doing that um but you know i could be wrong you know obviously i've never been in that position so nice yeah that's that's a fair point so i mean we'll we'll see if he even go if he even goes through with it. He might change his mind and just think. I mean, a lot can change in a couple years. He could be saying, you know, I feel like I could play a few more years at a high level.

A lot of athletes do. And they go in ring chase and they say, hey, I want to go to a Buffalo buffalo or you know a kansas city again to go ring chase again with uh with patrick mahomes something like that um unless maybe the dolphins get good and they get like really good with tua and then you know he decides i want to win a couple here and you know maybe it'll be 2025 they'll be at the height of their championship contention he'll say i want to stick around here this is this looks like something i want to be a part of all right well i wanted to change gears and we're going from one one wide

receiver who is looking to end his career early to another running back. Who's probably looking to end his career early, not in a positive way. Joe Mixon is getting, has gotten in a little bit of trouble this off season and he has been recharged for his, uh, for his charges that he faced earlier on this off season. That's next. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast. Sligs it way down the field to Watkins! Sammy Watkins for the touchdown! Welcome back to the Fumble Ruski podcast by Power 88 and Seeker Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, special guest Jack Hartman. So Bengals running back Joe Mixon, according to the Cincinnati Police Department, has been recharged for misdemeanor. So he was originally charged back on February 2nd, uh, for the, uh, for these

charges. And they were, they were dismissed, listen, just the Bengals as a whole, they have been a team that's been on the up and up. Things have been looking great. They could win a Superbowl anytime in the next couple of years. And it feels like they're doing everything they possibly can to screw it up, especially Joe Mixon. And earlier on this off season, there was also Jamar Chase, his ex-girlfriend revealed that he has information that could end his career. I mean, what the hell is going on over there? Why can't we just behave ourselves, win a Super Bowl and have a nice life why do we have to get in trouble with the law i know that's a stupid question to ask but it's a stupid thing

these players are doing what are you doing and we were talking a bit off camera about this me cj jack before we were starting i mean it's not just just the Bengals. There's other players as well. Alvin Kamara got in trouble last Pro Bowl with beating somebody up before or after a game. I forget when. I think it was before. Then he was on camera bragging about it. What are you doing?

He's one of the star players in this league. People, fans, children look up to this guy. And he is sitting here on camera bragging about beating somebody up. It really is unbelievable, especially for these Bengals who, like everything is going great. Why would you try to ruin it? But I don't know what you guys think. I'll throw it to you jack yeah i mean i think

i think this just looks a lot like what the raiders have been for like the last five to seven years um just always always sort of finding tools um that you know are good at their craft but there aren't good people off the field um and not necessarily caring about the other stuff um or just having a blind spot to to this stuff when it comes to it um so when it comes to like the bangles specifically um i just think that this is just the the reason that this is different and it's getting talked about more and more recognizable with the Bengals themselves than it was with the Raiders is that the Bengals are good. You know, and that, you know, I mean, it wasn't too long ago that, you know, the Raiders, you know, Henry Ruggs got arrested for, you know, for the driving. You know, they had guys like Vontaze Perfect, who, you know, was notoriously bad person on the field and off the field. But at the same time, he did come from Cincinnati,

you know, so, so I think that there are just a few teams, you know, Las Vegas, Cincinnati, Cleveland, more, you know, more as of late that just, you know, aren't don't care as much, you know, and, and are thinking about how, like, listen, you know, we're, you want us to be the moral standard, but to our fans, if we don't get a championship, you're going to be mad at us. So, you know, we're going to have to sacrifice one for the other. And unfortunately, bringing in a championship is going to bring in more money for the organization than, you know, being a morally, having good moral stature as an organization.

Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah and kind of touching on your point of these Bengals standards of players that they pick I mean we we also talked on camera uh excuse me off camera that the Bengals were they didn't even touch on their position of need because uh when they were in 2021 Bengals were supposed to pick offensive line and go Penny Sewell, everyone and their mother had them picking him, and they went for the big shiny object in Jamar Chase. So if they're willing to ignore even their positional needs for the talented, dynamic wide receiver who may or may not be the best person in the world

and also Joe Burrow's best buddy. I mean, it's not far-fetched to believe that maybe these guys are – they're shoving things under the rug. They know more than we do about these guys, but they don't care, and they're just looking for the championship. I mean, it's been this way with the Bengals for a while. I mean, they weren't a very likable team for a long time, especially on defense.

I mean, Vontaze Burfecht was known for being a dirty player who was just a bad guy. Just dirty plays left and right. Made Antonio Brown go insane. Adam Pacman Jones wasn't the best guy either. And the life goes on. Yeah. So, Adam, I just – I do agree with you when you say that the Cincinnati Bengals

obviously know more – obviously know a lot more than we do. And I think you're darn right when you say that they are just going to sweep this all under the rug if it means they can get a ring, you know? Because let's face it, we all want our athletes to be good people, but good morals don't exactly win you rings. So, however, there's a cost. Let's just say you win a ring with chase and mixin in a way you kind of sell your soul it's kind of like what i it's kind of like i think jack said this off camera

where now if the browns win a ring with watson like that's great but you sold your soul to do it like you want a ring with an objectively That's great, but you sold your soul to do it. You won a ring with an objectively horrible human. It's kind of hollow, no? Yeah. It's amazing how much we have said on camera. It just tells you how it just tells you

how important it is to be comfortable when there's a camera around because some of the best points are made. This is just a a camera around because some of the best points are made this is just a side note but some of the best points are made when there's no camera and no one can there's no proof that we said it so we have to say we said off camera i i can't tell you how many times on this show that's happened oh we we were talking off camera and we brought this up and we're recapping what happened before the show when we were getting ready for it that's just

that's that's i just found that to be interesting but that's a side note and it's it's kind of the same way with a lot of the league i mean all these kind of lower tier teams who are just trying to get to the top desperately you had the you i mean you had the houstonans as well. I mean, they've never been known as a well-thought-of franchise, at least competition-wise. And they drafted one of the biggest sex offenders of all in Deshaun Watson. And a lot of the stuff, I know that it only just came out now, but a lot of the stuff happened allegedly around when he was in college so that could kind of tell you that the texans knew something

they knew something and they took him anyways he turned out to be a superstar so they're great talent evaluators but he didn't he's they knew that he wasn't the best guy. Then he wanted out. And then all of a sudden, once he got out, he wanted out all the, it, everything just gets leaked. That's interesting. That's interesting. I wonder if they knew all this stuff, they swept it under the rug and they let it go public as soon as he wanted to leave, which is kind of petty. But I mean, if you want him out of there, then that's one way to do it, I guess. Yeah. I mean, and you know, there are, there are other teams and another thing we were talking about off camera is, you know, on the player's side of just being stupid, you know, there, there have been teams that there are guys that have issues off the field when

they're in college who slid back and where they're going to get drafted. But at the same time, you always know they're going to get drafted. You know, like, like Micah Parsons was one of those. He had some serious allegations against him, not just allegations, like things that he actually did and were proven to be true that were like, holy crap, like, Oh, like this is not good. And, you know, fell back, but only so far, you know, still got, still got taken in the, in the first round by the Cowboys.

Another example, and this just goes to show that the Cowboys are also one of these teams is Dak Prescott. The reason that he was taken as late as he was in the draft, the reason he was taken on the third day, um, I think third day, I think it was fourth round. Maybe it was third round. Yeah. The reason he was taken that late is also because he had some off the field issues.

Um, now granted those off the field issues took him from being like a second round pick to a fourth round pick instead of, you know, a top five pick to, you know, second round or late first round. But still, like, you know, there there there are other teams that do this. And, you know, the reason we haven't talked about the Cowboys with this yet is because, you know, and knock on wood, pray to God that it's still the case. Dak Prescott and Micah Parsons have cleaned up their act and nothing has happened. You know, we can only say that because we haven't heard of anything, as you've pointed out earlier. But, you know, I think there are lots of teams that sort of fall into this category. And there are a lot of players that, yeah, just do stupid, stupid things.

And I think you can only attribute you know being in the spotlight and you know what do i do like how do i how do i cope with this so much um i think another great example like a great example of that um you know when you look you know outside of the nfl is what's happened recently with john morant for the Memphis Grizzlies. And the, the, some not good stuff that has happened, you know, off the, off the court outside of the team facilities with him and how like, yes, he's a young kid, you know, I think maybe he just turned 21, but you know, he was one of those one and done guys. So, you know, it was in the league at 19, you know? And, and it's just, you know he was one of those one and done guys so you know was in the league at 19

you know um and and it's just you know yeah the i mean the the spotlight got to him you know and different people cope with that in different ways um but you can only attribute that so far before it's like nonetheless you need to start facing the ramifications for these actions. Yeah, I think you're right. No, Adam, I started talking first. Don't give me that look. Go ahead. I was just going to bring up another one that I thought you were going to bring up, but then Jalen Carter, you know, for the Georgia Bulldogs,

his gross negligence literally resulted in the deaths of one of his teammates and 90% chance he goes in the top 10. Yeah. Also, I just wanted to look at this in a different narrative. Just tracing back to the Bengals here. With all of this happening, do you think there's any chance that the Bengals in the first round or even second round go running back? Because I've been, I've been thinking that they should go corner because they've filled

pretty much all their other needs. Um, so if they went corner, it would make sense because they don't really have a legitimate number one guy. Um, but if they went, if they went Bijan Robinson at number one, it's a pretty good rushing attack that he leads, especially with that revamped offensive line. Or they could go second round and take Jameer Gibbs. He would go early in the second round, but you could still trade up. So that's a possible route they could take. If that does happen, then that basically proves that everything

that's happening is true. Would it not? Yeah. Yeah. And there are some other guys that are going to be available even later that are serious talent that, you know, CJ, I'm sure you know about these guys. You've been doing your draft analysis or pre-draft analysis. you have guys like deuce vaughn out of kansas state um sean tucker out of syracuse my guy you know yeah or what about uh rashaun johnson you know

the guy who backs up bijan robinson who could start in his own right yeah there there are a lot of running backs that i think i i mean i've you know i i'm always weary of taking a running back in the first round um you know with with the you know chiefs win uh in the super bowl i think like since 2000 you know looking at the the highest rut uh rusher for the uh super bowl. They've all been paid under like $4,000 a year. Um, part of that's because of, you know, not letting guys get to their, uh, you know, get to that second contract where with running backs, where it gets, you know, dicey. Um, but also just because, you know,

the, the first round running backs, you know, you, you gotta be careful about that because you're sacrificing elsewhere. So I like the idea of Cincinnati taking yeah. Taking a corner maybe taking an offensive lineman just because it's, it's shown. I mean, you know, they revamped their offensive line after their Superbowl season. Right. You know, and look at Joe Burrow is still running around for his life, you know? So maybe, maybe they learn a still running around for his life you know so maybe

maybe they learn a little more like not only revamp but let's let's get some depth there but i i really think that it makes sense especially because they lost samaji piran and free agency um you know they they need they definitely need more help at that position so yeah and like also to your point about running backs it's just such an easy position to address it feels like you're good you can plug in any guy off the streets and they will produce and it's like it's pretty hard to be bad on the run the rushing side because a lot of guys can actually can run the ball effectively through the draft i mean uh us as patriots fans me and cj our uh the patriots top running back

was the fourth round pick and damian harris before him their their previous what number one running back he was a third round pick and i think the worst of the three of the worst of the past few running uh backs that they've had was sony michelle who was the first round pick it's not to say that the running backs don't pan out at the first round it's just there's more important positions to address like there's just some positions you just don't take in the first round you don't take a guard you don't take a center you don't take a some positions you just don't take in the first round. You don't take a guard. You don't take a center. You don't take a running back.

You just don't do that because you can do that in later rounds and still get the same production. But tackles, quarterbacks, wide receivers, corners, even safeties to an extent, like those are positions that are hard to replace. Tight end as well but that position is falling off so fast the the art of a great tight end the rob gronkowski's of the world those are falling off and it's it's sad but yeah the position's so top heavy the the other thing to real quick to put a bow on this is that, you know, to your point about the, about running backs, being able to make it work,

no matter, you know, what, where you get them and how you get them is that you could have B. John Robinson. And if you don't have an offensive line, he can't do anything. I mean, I think like a really great, you know, look at that as Najee Harris, the last couple of years with the Steelers, don't get me wrong. He's been productive and he's been insanely productive considering how atrocious the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line has been as of late got

better last year compared to the year before, but still, you know, but if you've got an offensive line that is solid, you can, I mean, heck, you can make anybody look good. You know, like, I mean, who knows, maybe Isaiah Pacheco was just, you know, the diamond in the rough that nobody knew about. But I could also see a world where he goes to a team that doesn't have that great of an offensive line. And he's, you know, the third running back on the depth chart, you know, but the Chiefs had that offensive line that made him look insane especially in the super bowl you know so the the o-line is where you know your running

game is going to come from not not from a dynamic running back yeah um so now that we are on the topic of the draft i want to transition into that real quick with our next segment, which is Jack's guest segment. And we are going to talk about the lions taking with the number six overall pick and how that selection could be the linchpin that will shape the entire draft class this year. That's next. You won't want to miss it. This is the fumble Rooski Podcast. Anderlund comes down with a football. They're saying it's a catch.

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Sammy Watt takes for the touchdown! This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast by Power88 and Seek a Weapon Consulting. Adam Wright, CJ Medeiros, special guest Jack Hartman. So for our last segment, we are on the guest segment of the show. Sponsored by Seek a Weapon Consult weapon consulting for business plans secret shoppers bar spotting server and manager training and so much more visit www.secretweaponconsulting.com so jack is going to talk about the lions and how are they they are going to use the number six overall pick jack what do you got yeah so obviously the last time that you guys saw me i was on as the uh browns fan when we talked about the craziness that is always is the afc north um and now as you can sort of guess and tell i am in fact a lions fan um it had a lot to do with

you know obviously the deshaun Watson situation. I'm not going to get into that a ton, but you want to know the details, feel free to, you know, DM me and we can I'll talk to you about that. But to get into where we are right now, the Lions are sitting at the number six overall pick in the draft courtesy of the Rams that they got in the Matthew Stafford trade, which depending on which side of the, that trade you're looking at, you know you might think the Rams won that trade because they did get the Superbowl, but you also look where they are now and they sold their soul for that Superbowl and the lines have gotten insane production out of Jared Goff much more than

every single person thought when, when that trade went down so here we are looking at the draft and the Lions have had um you know we've it's been talked about here on this podcast have had such an incredible uh off season um granted as Adam keeps, they did have a lot to work with, but you got to give them credit for, as it appears to the eye right now, making the most of that and not necessarily doing anything to really mess that up. So we're getting to the draft. The Lions are sitting at six. What are they going to do? To get to that, we got to start with the first five picks so at one and two we know we're not sure how but we're you know 95 sure that's going to be cj stroud and bryce young um i've heard reports that the panthers are definitely going to take cj stroud

see reports that the panthers are definitely going to take bryce young i've heard reports that frank reich likes anthony richardson more than either of them. That's shocking to me, and I'm not sure that I buy it. But also, he has a report that he's being outvoted by everybody else that likes C.J. Stroud. So, that's not going to happen. But we do know Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud going one and two. The order, we'll find out then, but we know that that's what's happening. If the Cardinals sitting at three, who everybody sort of expects is going to take Will Anderson, I think that would be a great pick for them. I think that he probably is the most talented player in the draft, in my opinion. But if you have a need of quarterback, you have to take a quarterback

before doing that. Then we get to four, which is the Indianapolis Colts all signs are sort of pointing to Will Levis some people are saying Anthony Richardson but it's most likely going to be Will Levis we get to five with Seattle and Seattle in my opinion has done a great job of convincing the whole world that they are going to take a quarterback that they're going to take Anthony Richardson if he's still there, or Will Levis if he's still there, or maybe even Hendon Hooker. People are talking about Seattle taking Hendon Hooker. And in my opinion, I am 100% confident, and I am willing to be wrong. And if we get to draft night and I'm wrong, feel free to call me out,

pin me back to this episode, and call me out. But I'm willing to say with 100% certainty, the Seattle Seahawks are not going to take a quarterback. They're not going to take a quarterback because they signed Geno Smith to this three-year deal. Not only did they sign him to a three-year deal, they signed him to a three-year deal in which the later in the deal that he's there, the more money that they're going to have to pay him. They're going to draft a quarterback now to prepare for the future. They would do that moving in the opposite direction so that they pay him more now and it slowly gets cheaper so that they can get to the point where they cut him, trade him. It's easier to get him off the roster. So here's where the Lions come in at six. When Seattle does not select a quarterback,

when they select Jalen Carter or Tyree Wilson or Devin Witherspoon or the Rodriguez, the DB out of Oregon, whoever it might be that they take, though I don't think they're going to take a DB. I think it's Gonzalez. Yeah, it is Christian Gonzalez. Gonzalez, Gonzalez. My apologies, my apologies.

Everybody's going to be turning to the Lions. And everybody who is back there farther that's in rebuild, on the cusp of rebuild, but had a good season so they aren't so far back, knows that they can step up and get that last quarterback or one of two last quarterbacks if, you know, all of the other teams are buying into Hendon hooker the way it seems. Some teams are going to hit the point that the lines are going to be getting phone calls on draft night.

The lions are not going to take a quarterback. The line shouldn't take a quarterback. The lions are sitting in a great spot with Jared Goff right now. They were a Baker Mayfield interception and overtime away from making the playoffs last year. If you hadn't thrown that pick in the game against Seattle, they might win that game and the Lions get in by beating the Packers. On top of that,

they've just shown so much progress on our building and our building and our building. And Jared Goff is part of that. Jared Goff is not the last thing holding them back. He's one of the things that is pushing them forward and the numbers show that the lions are not going to take a quarterback that means the lions could use the six overall pick and take one of those dynamic dbs uh so to bolster that a little bit take a defensive lineman take a defensive end to pair with Aiden Hutchison. They do have a spot in the middle linebacker position, though I don't think there's a middle linebacker up that high that would be worth taking at six.

Or you're going to have teams like Las Vegas, like Tampa Bay, like some of these others, potentially Minnesota, though the Lions probably wouldn't deal with Minnesota, but they traded Hawkinson there. So maybe they would deal with Minnesota, but other teams that are going to be looking to draft that quarterback once they realize he's not going to Seattle. And so the Lions are going to get calls. And in my opinion, I think the Lions should do, again,

who's to say what they will do? The draft is crazy. Who knows? But what the Lions should do is trade that pick with Tampa Bay. And in return, get Tampa Bay's pick at 18. Get Vita Vea

because Tampa Bay is on a rebuild. They are, they can't, they're, they are losing guys. They lost Leonard for net. Their guys are getting old. They're not winning games.

Baker Mayfield is their quarterback. They couldn't win games with Tom Brady. There's no reason to think that they can win games with Baker Mayfield. And I think that Tampa Bay could be a team that looks and sees, Oh, Anthony Richardson is still there. They know him. They saw him play in Florida. You know, for some reason, teams are enthralled with Anthony Richardson because of his athleticism. But I think it was Dan Orlovsky said better than I could have

ever put it, that it doesn't matter how athletic you are if you can't throw the football. So that's my take on Anthony Richardson. As you guys have talked throw the football. So that's my take on Anthony Richardson. As you guys have talked a lot about him, that's my take on him. But I digress. I think Tampa Bay would be a team that would go get him. And then that leaves the Lions there back at 18-19, but also sets the tone for the rest of the draft because now other teams are looking like okay that

quarterback's gone but also the lines have moved back what are they what are they trying to do other team and there are other teams that could trade up into that spot too that it's also going to really really change the dynamic of the draft teams that maybe people thought were going to take a defensive lineman defensive back trade up to get that quarterback. And now there's a lot of finagling that's happened in the rest of the way through. So. Okay. So,

so to clarify, so this would be, so they would get Vita Veya and an, and a first round and the Buccaneers first round pick out of this. That potentially, potentially more. I could see them wanting more. I I'd be happy if they got more

um but those would obviously do that though vita vea and a first vita vea is on the last year of his contract i'm at tampa i mean yeah but i don't know it's it's a thought so it's it's a thought and something that i that that I've seen and heard a few people talking about a potential in their mock drafts. Because the Lions do have a need at interior defensive linemen. They do have a need at outside defensive linemen on the other side of Hutchison as well. Not necessarily a need. Like I said in my comment about who had the best off season, I said that the Lions did,

they filled their gaps and now they just have places to improve upon, but that's one of the places that they need to improve upon for sure. Their, their run defense was atrocious last year. And it all culminated in that game against Carolina where Carolina whooped them because Chuba Hubbard ran for like 200 yards or something. So I, so I, I think, I think that it's that it could, I do really think that it could happen. I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibilities. I don't think that it's an atrocious suggestion that the Tampa Bay would do that and that the

lines would be willing to meet that offer. Okay, so with this in mind, so in this scenario, so they get Vita Vea. They address their interior of the defensive line. So then they still have picks 18 and 19. So what are they doing at those spots? Do they go defensive back do they go do they double up and continue to address the interior of that defensive line do they go uh do they go defensive end and go for to uh fortify that pass rush what are we doing over there i think and and that's where that's another part where like i was saying about the way, what the Lions could do with six, if they do this trade, shapes everything.

Because then, you know, what are other teams going to do? Once, you know, if other teams are thinking the Lions are taking, you know, Miles Murphy, no doubt. You know, the Lions are taking Devin Witherspoon, you know, no doubt, you know, and they, and they move back. Then a lot of other teams, some of their top defensive guys just became a little more available. So I think it depends on what's there. I personally like trying to find a way hopefully, you know, maybe Michael Mayer is there, the tight end out of Notre Dame.

You know, like we were talking about, the true tight end position is sort of dying. However, you still need somebody, and the Lions currently have nobody. Yeah, defensive end or another defensive interior. I've seen some mocks that have Brian Brzee out of Clemson dropping that far. And there's reason for that, but he's still, he's still got the talent that he does, you know, might be, might be a worthy pick. Would it be at six, but potentially back at 18 or 19? You know, there

are some DBs. I really, I really, really like Lucas Van Ness out of Iowa. And especially considering I want the Lions to get Jack Campbell in the second round for, for that middle linebacker position. It would be really cool to see them pair those two together, but it really just does just sort of depend once you get that far, what are other teams going to do and how does, how does, you know, the, there's always one like sort of crazy trade that happens on draft night that sort of like changes things for some teams and what they're going to do. So it really comes down to who's left. But I really like the idea of getting a tight end.

If Mayer is there, if not, hold off. And finding a defensive lineman whether it's dn or or d tackle um to fit in there because the this draft is also littered with talented dbs um especially corner um that that there are going to be some available when you get to you know pick 49 i think or maybe 51 or the line is the line second round pick um so yeah that's my thought yeah so i'm just thinking a little bit here but what do you think of the so vita vea i have no issue with that because he's also you know vita vea is he's in the last year of his contract, but it is a need for them. But what if they were, because it's the number six pick,

and when you're trading that far back, what if you were to ask for Devin White in return to trade back over there? I mean, you know, I never wanted I, I haven't thought that greedy. Um, I was, I've always thought more, you know, with, with that pick, you know, with that potential trade, um, you know, get Vita Vea their first and, you know, a second or third as well. Um, but Hey, I would love first and, and that, you know, that would also be an insane, insane combo to get. And then you're looking at, you know, you hit 1819. And you do get, you know, Brizzy, for sure, to fortify defensive interior. And, you know, you're maybe you're able to get Lucas Van Ness, I've seen somewhere Miles Murphy for some reason drops really far back,

you know, or, you know, there are other edge rushers. But, I mean, that also – I think either way you go, you're winning in that situation. Oh, yeah, definitely. And you would not – it would, call me crazy, feel essentially like you're drafting with three first-round picks. Because not only are you getting the guy that you need, Vida Vea, because you need a tackle on the interior to really be able to hold down that running game for opposing teams, but you also get still two first round picks out of it which you already

have so you're essentially getting another first round pick out of it which would be the vita vea so i mean yeah that's i kind of like that idea and i think the only i'm sorry uh i think the only issue that i would have is just that he's on he's on a one-year contract. I'm one of the people that, I mean, obviously not as far as apparently Sean McVay and the Rams are concerned, but I'm one of the people that does think that teams value draft picks a little more than they necessarily should. So granted, this is different because Vita V Vea is on the last year of his contract. And, you know, then he hits free agency if we can't resign him. And he has to go, you know, elsewhere or he gets to go elsewhere. But yeah, he's also a guy that's proven, proven what he can

do, proven at the pro level that he can be a dominant defensive lineman, where as some of these guys you might draft, you know, maybe the, maybe the lions do draft Brian Brzee. And he ends up not actually being, you know, being one of the guys that that's held back a little bit. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's, that's fair. Either way, the, the lions are winning this. But we do have to end the show tonight. Do we have any other thoughts? We are up against the clock here. No.

Thanks so much for having me and letting me talk. Talk lines. It's fun. Definitely, man. Always great to have you on. Always great to talk some football. We'd love to have you on again soon. Happy draft season, man. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. All right. That'll do it for us tonight thank

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