The Fumblerooski Podcast - The Horrors Persist -Ep 397 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

On today’s episode, Jayden Daniels dislocates his elbow. What will Washington do for the future? Is Jayden Daniels RG3 2.0? A wild week 9 sees the Bears survive a late Bengals comeback and win 47-42, Steelers force 5 turnovers and beat the Colts, and the Bills are once again regular season warriors against the Chiefs. Along with this, Jacoby Brissett leads the Cardinals to victory 27-17. Are Kyler’s days numbered? Chris Costich, Justin Tucker, and CJ Medeiros talk all this and more!

On today's episode of the Fumblerusky podcast, Jaden Daniels, out indefinitely dislocated elbow against the Seahawks. The Bills, take the Chiefs out of the playoff picture with a 28 to 21 win, and the Steelers. We're in that Mike Thompson cycle. I said it on Friday. We're in that cycle. And this is the part of the cycle where he realizes you back in

as Steelers get the upset win. over the Colts. Probably game of the year. Bears with a thrilling 47 to 42 win on Sunday. This is a Fulburyski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fumble Rooskey podcast by Power 8018 Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting. C.J. Medeiros with Justin Tucker. I'm Chris Costich.

Glad for you to join us for another Tuesday episode as, boy, what a week 9. Week 8, we saw only one game that was decided by one score. And this week, oh, how the turntables. Unfortunately, we're going to start with a blowout long. and probably the saddest story from the weekend. Jaden Daniels suffers a dislocated elbow in a blowout loss to the Seahawks. Before we get to the injury, I mean, the commander's postseason hopes, I think, were cooked once the Seahawks went up 21-0 in the first quarter or the second quarter, whatever it was. after that, I mean, Sam Donald, what was 17 for 17, insane.

Seahawks are gangbusters. Obviously, big story is that they're definitely going to be a top contending team. But, yeah, Washington, their playoff hopes were shot out the window in the first quarter of this game. And then, of course, now you add on the Jaden Daniels injury, which gruesome, gruesome injury. I didn't see it live. I was doing some work, and all of a sudden I hear the life. Just the entire stadium gasp. I look up and there's Jane Daniels down on the ground.

I initially thought it was in the injury, which I would assume most people thought, which my immediate thought process, and I texted to you guys, it's RG3 all over again. Now, the one good thing is that, you know, it's an arm injury. non-throwing arm, which is probably the best you could get out of this, but still, goodness, that Jaden Daniels cannot stay healthy to save his life right now. Like, obviously, my RG3 text comparison was maybe a little bit jumping the gun, but in, but I mean, in this case, it kind of makes sense.

RG3 was injury prone. Now we're seeing Jane and Daniels and he can't stay healthy. he was able to stay healthy his rookie year and now now the hits are starting to catch up to him um I'm hoping it's not but boy it's it's not especially in a season where Washington as a whole has been struggling uh Jay and Daniels obviously can't stay healthy but hasn't

performed the way that he was last season uh things aren't looking to great things are looking pretty bleak right now in Washington. Tuck, we'll start with you. Your thoughts from this whole storyline. Well, the commanders weren't in a particularly good spot, especially with

their white receiver being down in Terry McLaurin. And then I looked at the wide receiving core that they had on the field, and I thought, dear God, there's not much help here. Then I saw Sam Donald go perfect in the first half. And then I was like, this has gotten really bad. Then I saw 38 to

seven i thought it's gotten worse and then jaden daniels goes down with the disc located elbow and i thought this is the worst thing that could have happened to them at this particular moment in time granted he shouldn't have been out on the field 38 to 7 granted he should have never been put in that position and now i think it's time for them to just say forget this season let's just move on to next season let's just put him on season ending i are and just call it a day don't let him come back for the rest of the season there's not enough talent to win i feel like there may be a year or two years away from actually competing this team is a disaster right now and it's time to pack it in not quit just pack it in for this season and be like i don't think we're capable of making

the playoffs with this talent right now and jada mcdaniels is injured and he shouldn't have been put in that position to begin with i think it's just time to i'm sorry jaden daniels shouldn't have been put in that position in that in the first waste i think it's time to sit him down i think it's time to get a look at get another quarterback in there anybody but marcus marius mariotta because i'm sick and tired of looking at him as well just put josh johnson in and just call it a season just do that all and all bad this was horrible all around for the commander's organization another quick point too kind of piggyback off of that like just mail it in or just call it a season i mean you look at this team and this is on average in terms of average age it's like the oldest team in the league and when you combine that with other injuries not to mention uh marshawn laddimore and uh uh macfrey also now out for the year too uh not to mention that but old injuries doesn't mix for a good football team and uh, And you've got to think that they already got to go back into a rebuild mode for next season.

Like it's kind of weird to think of that already. C.J. Well, yeah, the way the season has gone, some people call it a temporary setback. But like you mentioned, you're going to have to do more likely than not a mini rebuild. Because you were already old. Like you said, the oldest team in the league going into this season, Granted, Bobby Wanger might be throwing that off. But, hey, you know, we love Bobby Wigner.

I'm not, there's no hate to him in that specific regard. It's just, you cannot be considered one of the up-and-coming teams if you are the football equivalent of a retirement home. That's just not how it was going to work. And like you mentioned, you actually beat me, too, because I was going to say, Marshall-Ladamore torn ACL done for the year, Luke McAfree, fractured collarbone, done for the year. And apparently there is some hope that Daniels isn't done for the year. I read he was out indefinitely. But to Tuck's point, why the hell would he even play? You got to say,

nope, this season's lost. It's over. They're three and six. The Eagles seem to have a stranglehold on your division. Just wrap it up. It's over. There's no sense in like a meaningless week 15, 16 game, throwing Daniels back out there and just on a prayer and saying, oh, well, I hope he doesn't get hurt again. Because, look, the only way I can describe the Daniels injury is insult to injury. Because think about it, at halftime, it was 31 to 7. The game was over. Washington, this is not last year's commander's team.

It's blatantly obvious. they do not have the horses to come back. And, you know, it was 38 to 7 to start the fourth quarter. And then, and then when it looks like things can't get any worse, Jane Daniels goes down on a botched QB scramble where his own arm got pinned under him. It was got to be among the top five worst football injuries I've seen on TV, or at least worst in recent memory. The only thing I think that comes close is when Bruy,

team moster was on the 49ers and his right here his forearm snapped that was ugh i don't know i'd probably i'd probably put nick chubb up there oh yeah nick nick chub no adam no adam invoked joe fysman none of us were we're not we're not gonna put in joeiseman now is in the 80s yeah we weren't alive unless adam is much older than you are talking we are talking recent history but yeah no that no adam camp scaboo's not worse than a guy literally getting a third elbow but we can debate that later or a second elbow camp scadaboo also had his dude so on's forearm snapped in half that that was bad but we're missing the point anyways the game was already over for the commanders was my point yeah it's way that that danio's injury was just gruesome to watch

in that game he was already 16 22 153 yards did have a rushing touchdown also at a pick he had 51 yards on the ground but we kind of already knew the direction that their season was going and now it's just confirmed it's over it's a lost season you kind of just have to sit there and take your medicine for the rest of the year that's the way I would describe it but now man like I mean it sucks especially you know since you guys mentioned the RG3 comparisons are starting you know exciting mobile QB that just can't stay healthy well keep in mind Daniels was already banged up This was like his first game back in a while.

So honestly, there's no use. I hate to say it, but throw in the towel, your season's over, put him on season ending I are. And I was like, oh, but he's out indefinitely, that doesn't mean for the rest of the year. Well, it should. It's over. That's all. Yeah.

We're halfway through the season right now. Writing's on the wall for Washington. Yeah, they're three and six. So, yeah. All right. We're going to take a quick break when we come back. Bill's and Chiefs. Bill's getting another regular season victory over the Chiefs.

What a surprise. Call that more. This is the Fulmberski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie.

Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Funbaruski podcast, The Chiefs. Now, out of the playoff picture at this point, heading into week 10, as they take a loss to the bills, 28 to 21. This is back-to-back, really good wins now for the bills ever since the buy week and going into said buy-week on a losing streak. So looking at the bills real quick, this felt like the typical Bill's Chiefs regular season game.

where the bill's defense makes a couple big plays that set themselves up for victory. Granted, obviously they kind of gave the Chiefs one last breath of hope with the doink of a field goal with 20 seconds left. But regardless of that, still a great win overall. And Josh Allen now at the top of the MVP voting odds at the moment. moment with this win. For the Chiefs, I'm not

they're not down and out. They're not down and out. I made this point after week four. They had a bit of a gauntlet of a schedule through the first month and a half of the season. And it made the same point, of course, with

Eagles. Like, you're not, like, obviously, if you're going to be a top team, here's the, Adam currently has the, for the listeners, Adam currently has the AFC playoff picture up right now, which sees the Colts and the Patriots at the

top. Colts still having the advantage because of conference record at 7 and 2. 6 and 1 conference record. Pats at 7 and 2. Broncos at 7 and 2. Pats currently had the advantage on the Broncos

because of strength of victory. Pittsburgh at 5 and 3. Top of the AFC North at four. Bill's top wild card spot, Chargers, Jaguars, and the Chiefs at 5 and 4, one spot out from a playoff spot at the moment behind Jacksonville, who are at 5 and 3.

And the Texans at 3 and 5 are currently holding the 9 spot. How about that? Crazy to think that the Texans are still alive for a playoff spot. Thank you, out. So that's what we're looking at right now. It feels like 2014 all over again. great. I love life. But what to make this?

CJ, we'll start with you. Well, stop me if you propose this moment for another Josh Allen regular season win against Mahomes. And now for the sixth guerrillionth year in a row, can he get it done in the postseason? Surely this is the year, right, my fellow Americans? Right? I mean, look, this tells us nothing. I'm sorry. It tells us nothing. Until Josh Allen beats Mahomes in the playoffs, I'm going to look at when he beats Mahomes the regular season and say, ands, I mean, don't get me wrong. That's good. You know, you had your get right game against the Panthers. That was huge. Then, you know, you handled business at home against the Chiefs, fended off, you know, last second rally because you've doinked a field goal. and yeah don't get me wrong that's good and you knock the chiefs out of the playoff picture i'm sure

that's satisfying but until you get it down on the playoffs you got to forgive me if i don't care it's not that i don't care it's just you know like i'm not saying oh this is the turning point everyone it's happening and it gets there's even more for me before you get there would i would i would i would i make you care more if I told you that the bills held Patrick Mahomes to under 50% of... Yes, that's where I was going, by the way, the fish of where I was going. I was just going to say, like, look, it's impressive, but do that in the postseason. Like, like, just do that in the postseason.

And Adam's chirping me behind the scenes like he always does. Like, that's cool, buddy. But I'm just saying, like, the thing is, this was the game that when we look at the MVP race, right? this is the game that hurts Mahomes. 15 of 34, 250 yards, no touchdowns, not even scrambling, and he did have an interception. So, yeah, I mean, from an MVP standpoint, this, this was really ugly for him. I mean, sure, the grand calculus of his stats looks better, but not beating the bills. That's just going to hurt his odds at like a, what, like a third, fourth MVP.

So, yeah, but for the bills, it's a great. great win, you know, it keeps you, you know, you're right on New England's tail, you know, since they currently leave the division, but it's not over yet. And the bills, I definitely think, needed this. Chuck. Man, it feels good to see Chiefs out of the playoffs. It feels mighty good. That's the first thing. Second off, just as much as the bill struggle to beat the Chiefs when it matters most, the opposite is true. When it doesn't really matter, they beat them in the regular season almost all the time i don't know how this happens i i know i said the bills were going to win because this

always happens but like they always find a way to win in the regular season they just can't seem to do it in the postseason regardless if it's home or away so when i all in all congrats to josh allen he was able to do enough to win the game james cook the rest of the guys but when i look at the chiefs that was a very winnable game if only patrick holmes was just better from the pocket I'm not going to lie, going below 50% passing completion isn't ideal. But I feel like the Buffalo defense did a great job in dealing with Patrick Mahomes as a whole, all and all, to keep it simple. I expected this to happen. I thought the bills were going to win.

I don't care if I was right or wrong. I don't like either of these teams. And congrats to the bills. Would you guys say this is more telling of the Bill's defense or Patrick Mahomes? Because I feel like it's more telling for the Bill's defense. I don't know. On the one hand, they feel like they could be a good defense. And then on the other hand, they give up, I don't know how to describe them.

They're like middle of the pack to me. They could be good, but sometimes they have games where it's like, what are they doing? you understand like the one the game against Atlanta it's like yeah come on giving up that 81 yarder to bejean Robinson wasn't ideal so it's like as much as I want to like sing high praises for that buffalo defense because when they're on they're very good on the other hand

they have very off games as well honestly I think it's about equal you know like you said the bills you know they'll pile drive the Panthers you know but but they also lost in to the falcons of all teams. You know, they, you know, they'll beat the Chiefs, but then lose to the

pads. Meanwhile, there have been games where Mahomes has just played ugly like this. And it used to be, oh, if Mahomes played ugly, the defense would save them. Well, the defense is one of the older units in the league, and it's showing. The offensive line, they did not adequately address that this off season, so it's not entirely on Mahomes. Losing Tuny hurt a lot more than I think they are anticipating. So honestly, it's about equal.

It says a lot about both. Yeah. Looking at the chief's upcoming schedule, they got Denver on the road at Mile High and then a tough task against the Colts. Basically, they got back-to-back weeks, Colts in Dallas, back-to-back weeks of having to face like insane offensive production. So that's going to be a huge task for the defense. of course Denver having a pretty damn good defense themselves and then you got

Houston which you should win that game so I could I could see them going two and two in this stretch which would put them at a seven and six going into the month of December but I think high end they could easily be eight and five at the same time because Denver is a very weird team themselves they're But Denver's also a team, which we just saw them against Houston, is a team that can more likely than not come out with a win in a bullshit game. But, yeah, Adam has the stats there from home. It's 44% completion percentage, 57.1 pass a rating and an interception thrown as well,

which the interception itself was bad, bad pick. Speaking of the Colts, let's just go right into it. Colts falling to the Steelers, MVP candidates, Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor, both struggling in this game. This was the typical Mike Tomlin game that I predicted on Friday, where we are in this part of the Mike Tomlin cycle of everyone is down and out. They're calling for Tomlin's head. shit, Steelers fans had a funeral for their defense,

for their secondary in the parking lot prior to the game. And not to say that the Steelers' offense really didn't. They really just capitalized on what the defense did. And that was the big story, was that the Steelers defense showed up and shut down Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor. Another little tidbit. This was the first, like, legit outdoor, like, natural playing surface that the Colts have played on all season.

And, boy, do they look like indoor warriors right now. Now, I don't want to believe that I don't want to jump on the wagon just yet of Daniel Jones has reverted back to his Giants days. Right now, I'm going to keep it to the Sam Darnel Logic at the moment from last year, where right now Daniel Jones is a good quarterback and good quarterbacks have bad games. So that's what I'm going to chalk it up to at the moment. But still not a great test. And, Tuck, we'll start with you since this more or less involves you in the AFC North. But yeah, just take the floor.

Before I get started, I would like to say there will be no objectivity or no unbiased in my comments. I'm just going to make that perfectly clear. first and foremost man fuck the Colts let's just get that out the way let's just get that out the way Danny this is the last time I'll let you guys talk me into a quarterback like Danny Jones I will never forgive you guys for telling me

he is I do not talk you into it you are the one that was insisting on calling him Danny Dimes of Vanilla Vic so don't put that on me those were his nicknames and you guys said he could be like Sam Donald you guys told me I was overreacting to it Yeah, I said could. Doesn't mean he's 100.

I don't want to hear two interceptions, five turnovers on the day. I'm not hearing it today. I can't three interceptions. We're not going to get into it. Jonathan Taylor did a whole bunch of nothing yesterday. That offensive line was getting pushed back like Stephen A's hairline. I cannot believe what I was watching that entire game. That Steelers team actually looked competent on the.

defensive side of the ball. Oh my goodness. I can't, oh, I can't stand that team. And they actually made them look good, actually a threat in the playoffs. How can you tell me with a straight face that these guys are contenders and they get abused like stepchildren to these Pittsburgh Steelers? I was trying, I was trying to convince myself. I was so happy on Sunday. I was so happy. watching this game because they went up 7-0. I'm like, here it comes in Inacquist. 24 unanswered points. Am I supposed to be happy about that?

Down 17 late in the 3rd and you're supposed to convince me, oh, they're going to do something. And then they get to midfield and all of a sudden he throws an interception. I can't do this. I was supposed to be happy. I was like, we're taking another step forward as a Ravens fan. Here we come. Nope.

They actually got past the Colts. Jonathan Taylor, who was supposed to be a league MVP candidate, did a whole bunch of nothing yesterday. That defense, I can't even blame them. They just got put in bad spots by that damn offense, led by the one and only Daniel Jones. You guys take the floor. You guys can have it. All right, CJ, let's hear some more unobjective and unbiased analysis here. Ladies and gentlemen, we have had our first Danny Derps sighting in the big 25 NFL season.

I'm so happy. But before I get my analysis, I want to take us back to something I said a week or so ago. Remember when we were talking about contenders versus pretenders. I actually use one of Adam's favorite talking points to talk about the Colts. That's only because it's true. I said run first teams are terrifying when the run works. And you may remember that I said, God forbid, there's ever a game where Jonathan Taylor's not running the Rockwell and he's falling off and it goes on Daniel Jones. I said my question was, if Jonathan Taylor's having an off day, can Daniel Jones pick up the slack?

The answer is apparently no. Because credit to the Steelers' defense, I thought was bad. You know, I picked Indy. I'll own it. They kept Jonathan Taylor under four yards of carry for, I believe, the first time all season. 14 carries, 45 yards, and my fantasy team suffered for it. But Daniel Jones, they said, all right, it's up to you. You've been playing well this season.

Now it's time for you to pass. 31 of 50. 3142 yards granted one touchdown, three picks, and two fumbles lost, five total turn. And did the cult's staunch defense get abused? Yes, they did. But I'll give them a little sprinkle of the benefit of the doubt because those turnovers cost them. They kept, like said, that defense kept getting put in worse and worse spots. You know, every time Pittsburgh started with a short field, they made Indy's defense pay. And that's not something you can hold on the defense, but let's be real. It was a one-score game. It was 27-20, but I'm sorry. I know Indy

had that late game rally, but those were garbage time points. Those were dressing up the score. If you saw the same game I did, then you know the score lies. It is a scoreboard of lies. It was not a one-score game. Indy struck first, and then Pittsburgh proceeded to take their lunch for three straight quarters. And I mentioned, you know, the MVP standings, right? When we were talking about Bill's Chiefs, Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor, they got punched in the mouth right now. They are tumbling down.

And this is the type of game where if you're Jonathan Taylor, where if you're saying, I have a case to be MVP this year, this is the type of game that the quarterback purists will shove right in your face and say, well, you know, Pittsburgh. did kind of put you in a box. So, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was already an uphill battle for a non-QB to win MVP. But this game might have just killed it because, you know, these, the skill position guys, they were skating on thin ice to begin with.

We can all agree because that's just the nature of the beast. Quarterback is the most valuable position. And as of now, yeah, indie, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I mean, they're good. You know, what is it Bill Parcell said? You are what your record says you are. But this game, I really don't like that.

I mean, the only other team that beat them was the Rams. But, you know, the Rams are also a good team. Up next, you have the Falcons. Hey, the Falcons gave the Pats the business. Of course, the Pats wrestled the win away at the end. But the Falcons aren't a garbage team. Next, you have the Chiefs. I mean, then you have the Texans.

That's a division game. You ever know which way that goes. They have a ferocious defense as well. So things are getting a little tough. My question is, can they bounce back? I'll take back every bad thing I said if they can bounce back. And not just win, but win convincingly. But if they can't, they might be paper kittens or indoor warriors, as you guys said.

Yeah, no, I, that's the thing. It's like, you look at that Falcons game, that's overseas. and it's going to be cold overseas. I'm not looking at it right now if it's the games in Berlin or London, but that's either way, that's going to be a cold. If it's in London,

potentially rainy type of game. The game against the Chiefs on the road in November, that's going to be brick. And then you mentioned the Texans. That's going to be at home. You're going to be indoors for that. Jacksonville.

It'll be warm. Seahawks. Seattle and frickin' December, that's going to suck. So, if the point holds up, then, yeah, the Colts could be in a pretty hairy situation

the next couple weeks, going into that Houston game. So those are going to be, at least this game against the Falcons, that could be a, that's going to be a fun one to preview on Friday. Step aside for a quick break when we come back, probably up there for game of the year, It's definitely game of the week. Bears surviving a huge comeback from Bengals and winning at 47 to 42.

This is the Fulmurski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fumbarouski podcast. Get into the Bears and Bengals game, 47 to 42, right at the buzzer.

And this was one of those games that the Bears never win. And we've seen a few of those now. It's like a changing of the guard with Ben Johnson around and killed. Like, this was a game where you had to go stupid. like you needed to put up 47 points granted the fact you gave up 42 is a whole other story but that's just Joe Flacco just feeding it's a Jamar Chase over and over again per usual but this is I think the third game now that the bears have had where if they had Maddieber Fluse they were going to lose this game and boy what a comeback from the Bengals I mean

Down two scores, two minutes left, get the onside kick, take a one-point lead. But, geez, like, this defense cannot tackle. Like, I, last, after they lost to the Jets, I saw this TikTok video and it was top five worst plays from Wegate. Every single play was the Bengals not being able to tackle Breece Hall or whoever. on the Jets. Like, these are NFL players that don't know how to tackle. Like, they cannot tackle. And that costs them on the last play of the game on Colson Loveland, taking that to the

house. There was three guys on them. Three guys and you can't take him down. Are you kidding me? Pardon my voice, but I said I was going to raise my voice, but God damn, the fundamentals are thrown out the window. It's unbelievable. And, like, if you're the Bears, yeah, you got the win.

But goddamn, you blew a two-scorer lead with two minutes left. I mean, like, like I said, you knew the Bears were going to add, like, in a game like this, you had to put up 47 points, especially against the Bengals defense. You needed to have a game like this. But, geez, there is no reason that it should have gotten to this. Like, obviously, if you put up 47 points, you do it against the Bengals defense, there's still a lot you need to work on. But, boy, this is a whole different level. We'll start with the Bears here.

CJ. Well, as far as the Bears go, this, like you said, this would be a game that they lost. Like you said, they blew that two-score lead in the fourth quarter. Because, you know, the Bengals offense, they're dangerous. We all knew that. How about Caleb Williams, 280 yards, three touchdowns, trying to prove, you know, that he's not some game manager, not a bust. But the real star, how about Kyle Monongai, the running back, 26 carries 176 yards. That is 6.8 yards of carry.

And on top of that, give them three catches for 22 yards as well. Definitely a good guy to keep the chains moving. I'll drop. Huh? I'm a undrafted guy from Rutgers, I'm pretty sure, too. Yeah, that's right. And who could forget? Colston Loveland's big breakout game, finally,

because a lot of people were chirp of the Colts, myself included, for passing on more to take Loveland. And if you're anything like me, the whole scheme-fit argument doesn't really convince me of anything. But hey, Loveland, six catches, 118 yards, two touchdown, slice and dyson through the Bengals defense. and honestly, yeah, it was just a great day for the Bears. I mean, yeah, it got a little hairy at the end,

but you buckled down and won a game that last year's team definitely would have lost. But as for the Bengals, I want to call their defense 11 pylons, but that, I'm afraid, would be an insult to the pylons. First of all, Joe Flacco, you know, 470 yards, four touchdowns, but can't help but wonder if he doesn't throw those two picks, you know, maybe just maybe they win, maybe. You know, he can't throw two interceptions in a shootout.

So one thing that I want to point out is I don't know if you guys saw this. After the game, there was a video of Bangle superstar Jamar Chase venting, saying one effing stop as he was walking back to the game. the locker room. Well, that's pretty much how I think all the Bengals fans feel, Jamar. Now, if only they had, you know, cap space to fit on, you know, to spend on a defense, only they can make that fit. It's almost like Jamar. There are three players taking up half their cap space, three players who all wanted market setting contracts. Hmm, Jamar. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact they can't have a defense. Remember when I

had that my whole tirade against Burrow, Chase, and Higgins saying one of them needed to be an adult and take at minimum a market value deal because they wouldn't have any money to spend on defense. Looks like I've been vindicated, haven't I?

Because when you have Burrow like, oh, you better sign Chase. You know, he didn't say that. When he publicly emasculated the Bengals, you know, and they realized they had no power that they had to capitulate, you know, Joe Burrow wanted his mega deal. And now look, now, they're in Capel and now you have no defense. But it gets even worse than that. Another thing that

happened after the game, several the Bengals defensive players declined to speak with the media and their defense, did you see what happened after the game? They were in the locker room and they were laughing. They were laughing in the locker room and said, quote, catch you on Monday when asked about the team's embarrassing defensive showing. They were laughing, joking in the locker room, said, yeah, I catch you on Monday, whenever the press part trash was something. Such players included Chris Jenkins, Shamar Stewart, Jordan Battle, Miles Murphy, and T.J. Slayton.

Holy crap, are the red flags of flying? I see a lot of young guys that don't give a shit. Exactly. These aren't veterans. Wait, maybe Chris Jenkins is. I don't know. But a lot of these guys, I don't even think, have three full seasons under their belt. There is a cultural rot.

And you know what? Don't wind to me about Joe Burrow's injury. Do not say anything about their capos, which are real. Once again, thanks, Burrow and Chase. But you need to fire Zach Taylor because this goes beyond injuries and starts becoming a culture. When your defense that got steeped. game role is laughing and saying to the press, catch you on Monday after giving up 47 points. And these are all the young guys, too, that screams culture.

Zach Taylor has to go. It's been long overdue. Chuck. All right. I'm going to start with the good first, and that's the Bears. Congratulations to the Bears. Even though the bear's defense was lacking, I will say that the bear's offense came to play. I thought Caleb Williams did extremely well, doing all that he could to win the game, both throwing and running and even catching a few passes, which I thought was impressive.

Not going to lie, the head coach was in his bag. I was happy for Ben Johnson. He showed off the duffel bag today, 47 points, a couple of trickery plays. And on all, the game winning touchdown from Caleb Williams to Caleb, Jacob Loveland. First off, you brought up Jordan Battle. He was one of those players that cost them the game with that touchdown. He was one of the key players that did that. So we'll get to him in a second.

But overall, the Bears, after a, I would say a bad loss, the Ravens, bounced back and had a must-win game against the hapless, horrible Bengals with that defense. They were down, and then they came back to win the game. So I'm happy for Caleb. This is good for his confidence and good for him moving forward. It's good for Ben Johnson, and just good for the Bears franchise as a whole. And hopefully they're able to fix the things that they have on defense over there because they're not a bad defense, but if they're not getting turnovers, it could be problematic, but they did get a few turnovers, and they were able to do just enough to win the game. Let's get to the Bengals.

Good Lord. That defense is bad. I thought my Ravens defense was bad. There's no way that there's 11 people playing on defense. There has to be something going on over there. It's bad. They were bad last year, and I think they're even worse. They gave up 47 points.

And that game-winning touchdown that they gave up. Did you see Gino Storn and Jordan battle missed that tack and those tack? There's three of them. There's three of them right there. and they can't even make the tackle and he just runs away from it's not only that he broke the he's running away from them to score the touchdowns everyone's talking about Joe the two interceptions Joe flag of him he threw 470 yards and put up 47 points and you still I mean 42 points 42 points and you still lose the game and give up 47 I understand Jamar Chase's

attitude about the situation. I understand that the offense is a little bit annoyed at the defense, but they cannot be this way because as much as you want to be pissed off about the defense, you knew about it going into the season. You had no problems about your contract, and you knew about it, knew that the defense was going to be life and coming into the season. And you've known about it for a while because you wanted a big deal. Joe Burrow got his deal and T. Higgins got his deal. What do you think is going to happen to the other side of the football when you ask for those deals. It's going to look the way that it looks.

And the Bengals, the organization that it is, allowed it to happen. And they've done nothing outside of drafting Shamar Stewart in keeping Trey Hendrickson for only this season and doing that. And outside of that, the only other competent player I see on that side of the law is maybe Demetrius Wright, who's a rookie. Outside of that, uh, and as far as I'm concerned, it's only going to, going to get worse because they still have to see the Ravens twice and they still have other teams that they're going to have to face.

They might finish third in the division. Actually, they will finish third because I think the Ravens and Steelers are going to finish ahead of them. But this is a bad situation. And the offense is actually really good, despite Joe Brown not being there. So they're still putting up the points, but the defense is so abysmal. It doesn't matter in the long run. I picked Cincinnati to win this game because I thought they would put up enough

points to win the game and i'm shocked to say 42 points is still not enough to win them the game oh no if they're saying this stuff out loud imagine what they're saying inside the locker room that's the thing i'm curious about and the worst thing about the situation is imagine if it if next week after they're buying they go into another game where the defense stands tall and the offense can't put points in the board that's going to look really weird and so all on It's just a bad situation in Cincinnati, but, hey, they did this to themselves with their cap situation. Yeah, I mean, it's what I also think that it's one thing when you have three guys taking up half your cap, but it's another thing when you just can't build a good roster begin with, too.

Never mind. So there's that. Bengals defense, we're scoring defense right now. They've given up the most rushing yards and the most power. passing yards, and they have garnered the sixth fewest amount of sacks. Right now, we're recording this Monday, November 3rd, 2.31 p.m., with trade deadline, Tuesday at 4. So by the time you guys listen to this, trade deadline's going to be up, going to be right at the tail end of the trade deadline. And, of course, Trey Hendrickson, his name has been floating around.

another one, of course, another stat that Adams thrown at us right now, third lowest pressure rate produced in 2025 at 14%. Oh, good. Yes, even with Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart. Just cannot. Dude, Stewart hasn't done anything this year. Nope.

Also, the Bengals won a first for Trey Hendrickson, to which I say, Bengals, you are in no to the island. And Jack from anyone. You're going to get your third and you'll like it. He's 29, about to be 30 in December. He's on a one-year deal for 29 million, and they want a first-round pick for that where the production doesn't meet that?

Sorry, no. He has four sacks on the season. What are they smoking? Yeah, Hendrickson has not played up to any sort of expectation of garnering a shit, even a market value contract because of the way he's performing this year. Because at this

point, take last year out the window. What you're putting up right now is where you're going to get. Yeah, who knows? By the time you guys listen to this, Dre Andrickson could potentially be on the move, could potentially not. Yeah. According to Diana Rucini,

currently the asking price is still a first round pick. So, Tuesday should be interesting. And, of course, we can always just refer back to C.J.'s saying of nothing ever happens until Michael Parsons gets traded to the back. One time something happened. Yeah, damn. All right. We're going to take quick break.

When we come back, we'll get into the week nine, top three, bottom three, and maybe talk about Monday night football, depending on if anything good happens. This is the Fulmariski podcast. I've always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws, back-to-back games, where he has. has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Monday night football.

Big up, not a big upset. It's a solid upset, though. Jacoby Brissette and the Cardinals getting the win against the Cowboys, 27 to 17. Whew. I mean, Jacoby Brissette, I mean, this, this Cardinals' offense has looked a lot different and a lot better with Jacoby Brissette under center. And a lot can be set on the other side of the football, too, with the Cardinals holding this Cowboys offense to only 17 points and just giving deck and the rest of the offense just absolute fits.

but the story really here is that, you know, Jacoby Brissette battling for that starting job at this point, giving, well, making it seem that Kyler might not have a starting spot, but a report just came out. Jonathan Yannon after the game said he's sticking by Kyler, but Jacoby Brissette has earned more playing time. So, Kyler is still the starter whenever he comes back from injury. but

I think the writing might be on the wall for Tyler here you know he's been in the league for how long how long has he been in the league for this will be your draft in 2019 you do the math I think this would be his six or seven season

Jesus Christ six seven sorry um fuck condemn you to hell I'm sorry I'm sorry I can't believe I just did that um well I can't yeah so anyways

six or seventh year but um don't get me riled up tuck um like it's been long enough where like we should be seeing something

out of color right now you know he was a number one officially a seventh season I just counted seventh season he was the number one overall pick and this is his seventh season and he's showed nothing to be like yeah no I deserve to be that number one pick

and, like, making that draft pick worth something for the Cardinals, especially right now. Chuck, we'll start with you. It's weird to me because the last time I felt like he was, like, making strides to be the, like, the franchise guy was when they made the playoffs. And that was, what, 2021? The last time they made the playoffs? Yeah.

Oh, man, that was so long ago. COVID was still around back then. oh my they lost in the ramps yeah and then he signed that big contract and we heard about the stipulation surrounding that contract and it's like oh is this really what you want to hand the the franchise to some guy that doesn't even study film or at least that's what it was suggested and now it's now we're here and it feels like he hasn't take any steps forward from where he was two three years in the league i thought colin murray was going to be like a top ten top five quarterback because of his ability throwing the football and his ability to extend place with his legs. And I'm not going to lie. I haven't felt like he's been playing up to that caliber in a long time. Don't get me wrong. He'll have a few splash plays here and there where you see the potential. You see what he could be, but it's like it's not enough. I don't think he's done enough for him to be like flat out gone yet because I do not believe Jacoby percent is the future

of the Arizona Cardinals, far from it. He'll have a game where you'll be like, there's a reason he's a backup. But I think the time is starting to tick on Kyla Murray if he doesn't do something of merit. I'm sick and tired of waiting for something to happen with Kyler. I just need him to go out there and do it. That's where I'm at with him.

And this game was indicative of that. Because without him, they were able to beat the Cowboys. I want to see what they're able to do with him now. C.J. It's not even to what Tuck said. It's not even that the Cardinals are able to beat the Cowboys without Kyler Murray.

It's that if they did have him, I genuinely don't think that they would have beaten him. I really don't. A lot of it to me just comes down to a very basic eye test. Coby Brissette just looks better than

Kyler Murray. The team, the offense looks better when he's under center. It runs smoother. It produces more yards. It produces more points when Berset is under center. And even though he's what, he's like now one and two as their starter. But at the end of the day, they even look better. These games are close. And that's pretty damning for Kyler Murray, who before he got hurt, had 962 yards, six touchdowns, three interceptions, past rating of 88.6. It's passable, but you don't want your former first overall pick to be, you know, just passable. And as I have his stats in front of me right now, across the seven seasons he's been in the league, and I know stats aren't the end-all be-all, but he's only made the playoffs one in his entire career.

He went 0-1 in that time. there's only once in his seven years where he had a pass rating above 100 he's never had over 30 touchdowns in a season his ceiling seems to be 26 this is passing not total and he had 3,800 yards in 2024 for 3,851 and the only other time that he got anything better than that was where he had 3,971 2020 he's never cracked 4,000 yards he's never thrown 413 touchdowns in a season. He's just, and he's only ever had a pass ring above 100 once. I don't think I can stress enough. That is bad. Not to mention, especially as of late, he's had some durability concerns. We missed some games in 2021 where he only started 14. I mean, that's still pretty good. Then he started 11 in 2022, 8 in 2020. Then he started all 17 games in 2024, that's good. And now he's only played five this season.

So of his seven seasons, there are four of them. That's over half where he has missed time. His career stats, complete percentage of 67.1. That's pretty good. Come on. Are you kidding me? Come on. Grow up. Okay. Total passing yards over seven seasons,

20,460. That's That is bad. That's just not very good. It's not even 4,000 the season. Then you factor in 1221 total passing touchdowns to 60 interceptions. That's not great. That's an average of 24 touchdowns to 12 picks a year. So two to one, it's not terrible. But, you know, it's not going to, especially only 24 season, that's not exactly going to wow anybody. And they say, oh, but he makes up for it with his legs, he's got 32 touchdowns. touchdowns on the ground. Oh, my God, that's so cool. Yeah, you all know it's not cool? He has 51 fumbles. I don't know about that.

That's actually like an egregious amount of fumbles. Exactly. Yeah. Okay, look, I'm not going to lie to you. I don't know how many of these fumbles or fumbles lost. But the fact that he has put the ball on the ground 51 times, including 13 in one season, that is, that's not great. And so, yeah.

Yeah. And 32 touchdowns, right? That's crazy. Except 11 of those rushing touchdowns came in one season. So he's got 21 across six. That's three a year. So that's not terrible, but still, like he just, I think we are long enough into his career to realize he is not the guy. In fact, NFL insider, a very rapid will source Mike Florio, he admits this saying, And I quote, that said, an off-season trade is very realistic, if not likely. The current regime did not draft him. The current regime did not sign him to a second contract. The current regime has yet to be able to pick its own quarterback. And with the current regime staring at three years of not making it to the postseason, one way to successfully finagle a fourth season will be to lobby ownership. for the ability to draft to sign or to trade for a new starter.

So that is Mike Florio saying that this offseason, moving on from Kyler Murray, is not just possible, but perhaps likely. 36 couples lost. Adam just came in clutch there. Thank you, Adam. And compared that, by the way,

remember, like I said, 36 fumbles lost, right? Compared to 32 rushing touchdowns. egregious, disgusting even. You want to, I'll give you something. This is all per the greatest site ever pro football reference. I'll give you something else that's probably just as disgusting. Tonight, obviously everyone's listening to tomorrow morning or comes out Tuesday. This game was the first game that they've had that didn't end in a one-score game this season.

Oh. like imagine like if Kyler Murray played any type of level better than what he has all season or at least in the last however many seasons like Cardinals could have a winning record we could be having a much different conversation about Arizona we really could which is which like if you're a Cardinals fan that's frightening to say or frightening to hear but for reference to all this Lamar Jackson has lost 27 fumbles and how many games how many games there, Adam? In what? In more games.

Oh, in more games. And also one more stad like to throw out there. Kyler Murray has a QB record of 38, 48, and 1. If you break that down over 17 game average, he's averaging, going about 7 and 10 a season. The best record the Cardinals have ever had with him as a starter was when he only played 14 games in 2021 and went 9 and 5. So you're telling me on average, she is the quarterback version of Jeff Fisher. You know, Jeff Fischer's actually better. Actually, yeah.

Chester is like the king of going seven and nine. Well, true, but a career win percentage, I think, is barely above 500 because he had some good seasons with Tennessee. But, you know, obviously. But that was, you know, Blaine Bishop, I think, could tell you about that. Yeah. But, yeah, but we're going off topic. So overall, real quick, when he played, granted, he did miss some time, but he went five, ten and one. 8 and 8, 9, 3 and 8, 3 and 5, 8, 8, 8, 8 and 9,

and now this season 2 and 3 so far. He is not the future. No. And I think this front office, if Mike Floreos reports, any indication, knows it too. Yeah. Well, that is our recap of, oh, sorry, talk. No, my thing is, where does he go from here?

Any team that's bad is probably looking upwards for a quarterback. I don't think it's the Jets because they'll be looking at number one overall. and I think the quarterback at LSU is probably going number one. No, he's not. No, he is not. But that's a debate for another day. As in like the number one quarterback to go or just to go in the draft or just in general. I'm just throwing names out.

But they're looking for quarterbacks. All right. Yeah. I mean, I would too at this rate. That's our recap of Monday Night Football. And boy, a lot of could get very interesting down in Arizona. week nine top three bottom three uh we're talking about this at the top of the show you know this week was a a lot better week in terms of um you know uh the amount of close games that we had the

lot of competitive games that we had compared to last week much better uh we start with an upset that we didn't see coming uh the panthers 16 to 13 win against the packers the factors the fact that they only allowed 13 points to the Packers is pretty insane. Yeah, offensively, it wasn't the greatest either, but Panthers are hot. They are rolling. That's really the long and the short of this at the end of the day.

And they're over 500. And they're over 500. It would have thought. The bills. Anytime you can beat the Chiefs at home, especially in a close game because those games are always emotional. Bill's defense showed up, forced homes to have a sub-50% completion percentage. Huge win. That's back-to-back wins now for Buffalo.

The Vikings first game back for J.J. McCarthy and they get the win against Detroit. Huge victory. That's all you can really say about that. and they caught the bike, they caught the lions napping off the by as well. Bottom three. We'll keep it with the Panthers,

that Panthers Packers game, the Packers. Boy, Jordan Love played like ass. He was not good. Probably have one of the worst throws I've ever seen. Granted, one of the worst drop picks I've ever seen on the Panther side.

but that's besides the point. Yeah. Should have caught it. Like I said, that's besides the point. They only put up 13 points against the Panthers who, what, like three weeks ago, lost, or last week, lost 40 to 9 to the bills. Insane. Did I say the Panthers were on a winning streak? Because obviously, that is some misinformation if I did say that.

that. You said they're rolling and they're hot. Yeah, you said they're rolling. Yeah. I should really clarify that they're rolling when Bryce Young is playing. I should really say that. I'm going to have fun editing, editing that for the TikTok real. Jesus Christ.

I might just edit that entire part out. Colts. Basically, God exposed. into looking like a fair weather dome team first time playing in any sort of cold weather this season and five turnovers later and they lose 27 to 20 we were talking about this earlier too next two weeks they're on the road well they're going to overseas next week and it's not going to be great weather over there they got to go to Kansas City the week after it's going to be cold over there.

So not what you're looking for if you're Indianapolis. And then Miami. Last team on the Bob three. Poor, poor, poor showing against Baltimore on prime time. Tua looked like dog shit, pretty usual. One thing about Tua is that like,

oh my God, he needs to stop blaming. He needs to take some accountability. like jeez how about you remember that quote when he was like hey you know like i'm not going to be able to throw it 50 yards and to it how about you should how about you should figure out what if he physically can't well then he shouldn't be a quarterback you shouldn't have been signed to however ridiculous the deal looks now um and that that's your week nine top three bottom three fair but i actually have no idea how far i can actually throw it so that's a good question he's probably in the bottom half of the league that is yeah oh how the mighty of fall oh and

uh dolphins also fired their GM Chris Greer mm-hmm it's up yep um that happened over the weekend right yep it happened uh the next day on Friday that's right that's right and we weren't able to report on it because so this is us reporting on it this is us reporting on it this is us reporting on it. Thank. All right. That's all the scheduled content that we have for you today. You guys got anything else?

Yeah, you want to talk about the pick-um results? Oh, that's right. That's right. Please. Well, I can make it very simple. This week's winner was Tuck. Oh, really? Yeah, he got eight predictions right.

Oh, Chris, Union, Adam tied at seven. Nice. Oh, man, I'm on a row. That's two weeks in a row. Damn. Don't worry. What are there this week again? Or 12?

How many games that were there this week again? There was like 12. I'm trying to think of the math on that. 13. Oh, damn. 8 out. Barely over 10%. That's gross.

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