The Fumblerooski Podcast - The Short End -Ep 73 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: April 15, 2022

Will Kyler Murray find himself pouting his way out of Arizona? Will the Eagles take a Wide Receiver in the first round for the 3rd year in a row? Adam Wright and Nick Carlson debate these topics as well as discuss the latest on free agency.

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It's in front! It's in front! It's in front! It's in front! It's in front! Good evening. You are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Fans Only Sports Network. I'm Adam Wright alongside Nick Carlson. Now, we weren't able to get our guest in.

Unfortunately, something came up and he wasn't able to make it. But next time. So it's just me and Carlson tonight. But we do have a lot planned for you tonight. We'll get into some draft coverage with some interesting reports on the Eagles and who they might draft. That's going to be interesting. We're going to get into a free agency update.

There's a couple of things that went down, a few signings, a few free agency visits but first let's get into some more quarterback drama that is going down this offseason that's right so tom pelissero reported that kyler murray's agent has informed the team that he will not play this season without a new contract and he also reported that the Cardinals have not offered Kyler Murray a contract this season at all. And that Kyler Murray's agent pulled their offer off the table and now it's just a complete and utter bleep show.

Big stalemate going on right there. You would think with all of this drama that's gone on that it would eventually settle down, and it has in the past couple weeks. But now it's starting to start up again. And so this crazy offseason just continues. But, Nick, what are your thoughts on this situation with Kyler Murray? I mean, in all honesty, I really don't think Kyler's in a good position to try and ask for this big, big contract.

He's still one of the more newer quarterbacks in this league, one of the younger quarterbacks. And I think at this point I haven't seen enough from him that says, you know what, this is my guy. This is the guy I'm going to build a team around for years and years to come. And I don't blame the Cardinals for not making that move yet. They want to see. Look, Kyler Murray has been a quarterback who's really impressed me

in the past couple of years. I didn't think he was going to pan out. I thought he was one of those quarterbacks who's just a run-first guy. He can't really pass it that well. He's a little short, but he's really impressed me, and he's exceeded my expectations. However, I still am not completely sold on him yet for more reasons than just his ability. He was an MVP candidate this

year and he had a very good season the year prior. The issue for him is that his health has been a concern in the past couple of years. At the end of these past couple seasons, he's had an injury that has affected his play. And in fact, a a couple of years ago when he got, when he had the first one in his second season, it was, it really affected him bad and it hurt and it hurt the team as well. They started what they were like five and three or some, or somewhere around that they were around, they were in playoff contention and then they kind of just fizzled out and i think they finished uh sub 500 correct me if i'm wrong but like he needs to prove not only that he can play at a consistent level but that also that he can he can remain healthy because both have been in question oh no you're absolutely right i mean it takes a lot to show an organization that this is that I'm

going to be your guy for the next six to 10 years. That is a such a huge investment, especially in a such a cutthroat league like the NFL. And especially with those injuries, the more and more you keep getting opened up by the doctors, and they're fixing you up and patching you, your body just doesn't, it doesn't rebound the same. It's not the same ever since. Exactly. You know, like you look at it and he thinks it's going to be, health is going to be a problem. Now just look at a few years, a few years down the road, you know, there's a reason why a lot of players, uh, at, at, in, at certain positions granted, but especially if you're a running quarterback, players' careers don't last that long in the NFL. And there's a reason for it.

It's like you said, it's a cutthroat league. Players don't last very long. When you're a quarterback, it's a little bit of an exception, but when you're running, once you're a rushing quarterback, like what Kyler Murray is, you tend to get, you tend to get those injuries and they, they, you know, tend to eat at you. And we're looking at, we're seeing that with Lamar Jackson right now, who's a little bit ahead of him and has, and has had issues with, uh, with health. And it's, it's really affected not only Lamar, but the Ravens, because he is now their franchise quarterback. And when you commit to a player like that, especially a quarterback who's the most important position on the field and the most important position to being a championship team, then it could be really crippling if you commit to the wrong guy oh no absolutely I once

again I got to agree with you I mean I me personally I wouldn't even I wouldn't spend the money on that I would not I would keep him around I wouldn't give him a huge huge contract though I'd give him maybe a two or three year contract just to see you know how can he rebound and if it works out we extend him we pay him whatever you know, how can he rebound? And if it works out, we extend them, we pay them, whatever, you know, he'll get his payday. And if not, at the end of the two, three years, they split and go their own way. You're right. The way I see it, the jury's still out on Kyler Murray. And it's, it appears that Kyler Murray and his agent do not see it that way. And they need to get on the same page. If Kyler Murray is going to remain a Cardinal, but speaking of the question

of whether or not he will be there, do you think this could lead to Kyler Murray's departure from Arizona? I mean, I would see it, but I think it would be obviously in desperation of a new team, trying to find a new team, because so many other quarterbacks have been making moves as of lately. There's not that many teams left that can afford whatever Kyler Murray wants, because obviously the Cardinals are having a hard time with that. Yeah, I think this is going to be something where it gets figured out and they eventually come to some sort of deal, whether it's a long-term deal or, like you said,

some sort of short-term thing. He proves himself, and then he gets his money. And I've been saying this all offseason about Kyler Murray as this stuff is dragged on, that I think this is going to get settled, and if things blow up, it'll be later on, like towards the end of his new contract you know when he's when he's you know he's more of an established veteran and and the team let's say the the cardinals haven't been surrounding him with enough talent or something

happens something stupid happens like with what happens with a lot of quarterbacks russell wilson deshaun watson and then he says you know what i, I'm out of here. And then that's, and then that's that. But I feel like this is going to, this is in the short term, this is going to be fixed, but in the longterm, this could, this could, if you know, let's, let's, let's look at it this way. When you're in a relationship with any boy, girl, whatever. Um, and you know, looking at that, um, there's something called the honeymoon phase, right? And you know, that's always the time when, you know, things are going great. You're, you know, you guys are, are, are, you know, meshing, everything's going, everything's awesome. and then eventually the

honeymoon phase wears off it always does but the question is whether and the question is always you know whether or not uh whether or not you can you can overcome that whole honey phase uh honeymoon phase uh wearing wearing off but the what's an what's an issue here is that the honeymoon phase is already worn off and they just started together. If they're having issues like this now, imagine what's going to happen down the road, which is what I've talked to a lot of friends going through relationships. When they're having issues this quickly, this early on, and they're thinking, man, everything's fine. She says she's changed. Usually if you're having issues that early,

better get out of there as soon as possible. But we'll see what happens. Anyways, any more thoughts about this before we move on? No, I mean, I think we got it all. All right, man. about this before we move on no i mean i think we got it all all right man well next we are going to hit on a juicy rumor surrounding the eagles you're not going to want to miss that you are listening to the fumble ruski podcast Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football and they're saying it's a catch.

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I'm Adam Wright. Nick Carlson here with you tonight. And so, per Adam Schefter, the Eagles have hosted a couple of wide receiver prospects, one of them being Chris Olav, and they're going to be hosting Jameson Williams. So the Eagles, in the past two drafts, in the first round, have taken a wide receiver. The last year being Devontae Smith, the year before that being Jalen Rieger. Safe to say they're one for two. And they have two first-round picks in this draft,

and they've been rumored to take all types of positions, cornerback, defensive end, offensive line. And now here's wide receiver. So it's interesting because I mean, it's not often where you see a team taking the same position three, three years in a row, which might show a little bit in their lack of confidence in the position. But Carlson, what do you think about the possibility that they could take a receiver for the third straight year in the first round? I mean, I think it's a very valuable option. I mean, I think they could do it. This isn't really, though, a strong offensive draft class this is probably one of the stronger ones we've seen in a little bit on the defensive side of the ball i i really think

the eagles are probably going to go in there looking for maybe a defensive back or maybe a pretty decent corner certainly they so the way i've the way i saw it especially when i saw the the trade uh between the trade between the saints and the eagles where they traded draft picks and the eagles still have two for they so they had three first round picks now they have two excuse me they have two in the uh in the sort of in the middle of the draft i I'm not sure exactly where, if you, if you'd like to look that up, where they, where their first round picks are, they're around, they're towards the middle. And so when they, when they traded, when they punted one of their picks into next, into next year's draft,

giving them two first round picks, which is more of a much deeper quarterback class. I thought, okay, that's interesting. So what that tells me here is that this is going to be a sort of, as CJ so eloquently put it a couple of weeks ago, it's a put-up or shut-up year for Jalen Hurts. So what does that mean? I think they are going to load up on offense to see what Jalen Hurts really is about. Because let's face it, they had some pieces on offense this past offseason,

but they didn't really have enough to truly see what Jalen Hurts was about. If they take another wide receiver and you have Devontae Smith combined with whoever they pick in this draft, which it is a very deep wide receiver and you have, you have Devante Smith combined with whoever, whoever they pick in this draft, which is a, it is a very deep wide receiver class. It's very hard to see if he struggles to point at point to anywhere else. So I think they take a wide receiver and if it doesn't work out, then, then they're going to have a very good supporting cast for the next guy with Devontae Smith, Dallas Goddard. They still have that running back who's been very solid for them. I'm blanking on his name, but they have all of these players. Miles Sanders, that's what I was thinking of.

They have all of these guys. Whoever they draft on top of that, all of these guys, if it doesn't work for Jalen Hurts then, then it may never work for Jalen Hurts. Which is why they went out and they got an extra first round pick in next year's draft. So I think this low key makes a lot of sense. I know, looking at it in the way of they're taking a wide receiver for the third year in a row, it's a little crazy, but if you look at the context behind it, it kind of works. So are you saying even though if they do take a wide receiver in the first, if it doesn't work out,

do you think the Eagles kind of have a backup plan for that just in case by securing that extra pick in that, in next year's draft, just in case. Yeah. I think it's one of those things where they're looking at next year's draft. You know, it's a, it's a quarterback heavy draft, very, very deep with, with a very good court with very good quarterbacks, as opposed to this draft. And they look at it and they say, well, if we draft a wide receiver

and we, you know, armor this guy Jalen Hurts to the gills with weapons and it doesn't work out, then it's a win-win because now we have an extra pick in next year's draft and we can take a quarterback. And, oh, by the way, we have another first-round pick in next year's draft and we can take, you know, an offensive lineman to help support. And don't forget the first-round in next year's draft. And we can take, we can take, you know, an offensive lineman to help him to help support. And don't forget the first round pick this, uh, this year. So they have a lot of options that they, you know, I, I kind of like the plan that they have going here if it

works out. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, I, I gotta agree with you on that one. At first I was a little unsure, but now just hearing that explained out, no, I would have to switch my argument. I'll agree with you on that one. Wait, so what was your argument? So you think they should have – that they should go with – or you thought previously, because I won't hold that against you, that they should go defense, defensive back or a position like that, correct? So that's – Yeah, I was saying take more or less, stack up your defense

just in case if the offense doesn't work out for this year, you still walk away with that pick, but now it's just less on the other side of the ball you have to worry about. You can save more by just targeting one key area, which would either be finding that stud of wide receiver in that first round, because the Eagles are going to have two or three. Yeah. I mean, they can still address, they can still address the, in the first round, in fact, in this draft, the, you know, the, the defense, since they have two-round picks. So if they use one on a wide receiver, then it's okay.

We'll use the other one on, let's say, Andrew Booth Jr. or Trent McDuffie and go out and take a defensive back to combine with Darius Slay. Or you go out and you get a defensive lineman. This is a very deep defensive draft. I think the only spot, the only couple of spots that are, it's really thin at in this draft is that quarterback and running back, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but looking at it, there's not a lot of, there's only one running back who have seen in all of the mock drafts who have gone in the first round.

Everything else has no running backs to be found, which has been unheard of in recent years. And you also look at some of the quarterbacks. A lot of them are going in the first round, but that happens every year. There's always, you know, quarterbacks always, always rise in drafts. And I wouldn't be surprised if one is taken in the first, in the first 10 pick in the, in the top 10, even though they might have no business being there. That's just the way it ends up going. Just look at Daniel Jones a few years ago. He was supposed, he, I mean, well, we thought he was going to, they were going quarterback either way, but they went with Daniel Jones.

Daniel Jones, the Duke quarterback, the guy who some people had not even going in, in the first round of the draft. And he went, what was it? Top five? Yeah, I believe, I believe he was even somewhere in the first round of the draft. And he went, what was it, top five? Yeah, I believe he was even somewhere in the top three. Was he? If I remember correctly. Yeah, look that up.

I do believe that. I mean, there's always that one quarterback that some team will throw all their eggs in the basket because they need an emergency or they think they need an emergency quarterback that they need to pluck one straight out of the draft instead of trying to dig through some free agents or potentially make some trades. Yeah, so I guess he was taken somewhere up there. But either way, that was just ridiculous the fact that the giants went with daniel jones and i i honestly thought when he first started

that he actually could play you know he he had he had some nice performances he didn't exactly he had some issues holding on to the ball but i thought that was a fixable issue and here we are he's going into what his fourth year third fourth year yeah i was i would either say fourth or fifth year maybe but no and i mean everybody believed the hype about daniel jones and everybody thought he was going to be you know their solid franchise guy for the next few set of years. But as it's played out, some guys just don't adjust well to the NFL. They end up better in college than they do in the NFL. They just can't handle the speed.

Yep, and Duke is a little bit more well-known for their basketball than football. In fact, I keep on forgetting that Duke even has a football team. I never heard anything about Duke football. Not to say that I didn't know that they have a team. Obviously, they did. But I was thinking I never had acknowledged. I never had even seen a player, any Duke uniforms, until I saw Daniel Jones in all the pre-draft mock drafts.

I was like, oh, yeah, there's a Duke player going in the first round of the draft. That's interesting. And it turned, I thought he was going to be able to play. I really, but we're getting a little bit off topic, but Eagles, possibility of them taking a wide receiver in the first round, they've been looking at a lot of players, anything more on that, that you want to, that you want to talk about? I think we're good. I think we're getting way too far off.

Definitely. Going from the Eagles to their rivals, you know, and Daniel Jones. But coming up next, we are going to talk about a few of the free agency moves that have happened in recent days. A little flurry of things going on, some juicy things, really. But that's coming up next. Don't go anywhere. This is the Fumble Rooski Podcast.

Fumble Rooski Podcast. Here's Edelman broken up and the pass is no sign yet. Edelman comes down with a football and they're saying it's a catch. It's a catch! It's a catch! Sideline! Touchdown! Unbelievable!

Swings it way down the field to Watkins! Sammy Watkins for the touchdown! You are listening to the Fumble Rooski podcast by Power 88 and Fans Only Sports Network. I'm Adam Wright here with Nick Carlson, and we have gone over a couple of things. We talked about Kyler Murray. We talked about the Eagles possibly taking a wide receiver yet again in the first round, as if they don't have enough first round wide receivers but we are on to our update on the on the latest on free agency there's been a couple of things going on so buckle up so to fun gilmore has visited with the indianapolis colts yesterday he is he that's that's

a different that's an interesting one for them. So the Colts, they had Rocky Sin, they traded him away and they also had Xavier, uh, Xavier, Xavier Rhodes, excuse me. Um, and both of them are gone now. So what do they, what do they do? They look at Stefan Gilmore. Now the issue with him has been his asking price has been sky high, which is basically the reason why he was booted from new England because he wanted all this money and, and bill Belichick did not want to pay, did not want to pay him. And it's going to be the same issue with, uh, with the, the Panthers, even though the Panthers already have a lot of pieces in that secondary.

So they really, they, they have, they have plenty of leverage to say, you can go, you can go F yourself if you really want that money, because I mean, we don't want you. But he was a very solid player this past, this past year. So for him to go to the Colts, it makes a little bit of sense. After that, AJ Green has re-signed with the Cardinals. Now this may seem like it's not that big of a move, but it kind of is. And I'll explain to you why. So the, sorry, excuse me. I'm naming all types of teams. So the Cardinals, they let go their previous wide receiver two in Christian Kirk. And Christian Kirk got a massive deal, which helped out a lot of different receivers who were looking for big money. So he helped in getting some wide receivers around the league, more money. But he – so A.J. Green actually had over 800 yards in, what was it, seven, eight touchdowns this past year.

So he was a – he actually – this is the closest he's been to being A.J. Green in, what was it, three, four years. So for him to land back there as their wide receiver to very, very good for the Arizona Cardinals. And if obviously if they want to keep Kyler Murray, that's a good piece to keep. Uh, after that, Sammy Watkins. All right. So he goes to the wide receiver needy Packers for, I believe it was one year, $4 million. This is, this is, so this might not seem like much because you're thinking about, oh, well they need to find a replacement for Devante Adams.

Well, don't forget the fact that they actually lost, they actually lost Marquez Valdez-Scantling as well, who went for how much, how much money? Something stupid. I think it was what, 13 and a half mil per year. Yeah. I think it was something like that. It wasn't, it wasn't much higher than that. If anything, I don't believe it was, I don't believe it was that much higher than that. Right. So he goes to the Packers for a replacement for Marquez Valdez Scantling for four mil, which is a much better deal and possibly in some ways a little bit kind of a better player than Marquez Valdez-Scantling.

I know Sammy Watkins is at a point in his career where he's not as productive as he once was, certainly during his Buffalo days and not during his Kansas City days, but he's still a player who can put up numbers. So, you know, with these in mind, what are your thoughts on this, Carlson, some of these moves? I mean, I think the one that makes the biggest difference here, I believe, is having Sammy Watkins.

I mean, giving him a solid solid deep threat downfield that that's prime rogers that is what he has made his career for is favoring the deep ball when he needs it so i really do believe that having watkins the experienced deep down receiver he can still get up and win the majority of those high thrown 50, 50 balls. And he's still, he's still a menace to try and tackle on the field. If he's out in open field,

you're going to need a few guys to bring him down. Yeah. I've always liked Sammy Watkins. He's not the wide receiver one that he once was in the, in, you know, the couple of year, first couple of years, he was with Buffalo when he was an absolute beast and people were looking

at him as one of the better receivers in the game. But I think I've, you know, he hasn't quite lived up to his expectations since then, but he's still been a productive wide receiver. He hasn't really been the same since he, since he had some of those injuries towards the end of his time with Buffalo. But he's still, like I said, pretty good receiver. And he will fill the need at wide receiver two because people keep on forgetting that they're not only missing, they don't only have a massive hole at wide receiver one, they need a number two guy as well.

And you can make a case for number three too. So they, they have a lot of work to do. They might go wide receiver in this draft. So that's another, that's another conversation to be had. But, but Stefan Gilmore, if they were to land him, what do you think that would mean for the Colts as, you know, as a team? I mean, I really just think landing Gilmore like that to this young Indianapolis Colts team, I mean, I think that gives everybody in the locker room somebody to look up to as he's been one of the trademark players here in New England

and everywhere he's been since. He's always had that veteran status that, I don't want to say that ego, but almost like that mentality. He steps in right into that leadership role. Yeah. He's that type of player where I don't understand why – I get why he hasn't been signed yet because he has a high price and he is getting up there in age and he has been hit by injuries, but none of that. And I will say none of that

has affected him in the slightest, maybe a little bit because he's not completely, you know, all pro best corner in the game caliber, but he's still a very, very good corner. And this was, and this, he actually had a very impressive year, not only this year, but back in 2020 went in the games that he did play. And people are forgetting that like once he came back, he was still kind of himself and people, I think people are underselling what, uh, what Stefan Gilmore really is right now, because he's still, he's still playing at a high level, and I think whoever gets him is going to get that version of Stephon Gilmore. And for him to go to the Colts is a big fit for them because they need help in that secondary.

Their front seven is set. Their offense, maybe they could use a wide receiver too past Michael Pittman, but that team all around has some good talent, and they have some – they have – you know, we can talk about their competition because they have a lot of – there's a lot of competition in the AFC this year. But they have a very good team that has a chance to be really competitive. Yeah, no, I agree 100%. I mean, if the Colts get them, they're going to be a dangerous team

in this AFC this year. They're going to be – it's going to be like the old Peyton Manning. Yeah. Old Peyton Manning Colts as this is probably the most stacked defense they've had since. Yeah. And you remember Peyton Manning, he goes to the Broncos towards the end of his career to finish his career

somewhere else and puts up career numbers. This is the opposite for Matt Ryan. Now he's going from his other team to the Colts where Peyton Manning left the Colts. And now we're having a little bit of a reverse thing going here. So I think Matt Ryan think, you know, Matt Ryan could still have some, have, have some stuff left in the tank. He's, he's not that young, especially for, I'm sorry, he's not that old, you know, for a quarterback because, you know, a lot of quarterbacks can, we've seen now in recent years have, can play late, deep into their thirties. And even in some cases in their early 40s, as we saw with Drew Brees. We're seeing it in his mid-40s with Tom Brady.

And we saw it with Brett Favre. So why not Matt Ryan? He has a good team around him, and he has a good young team around him. So I want to get some last thoughts on A.J. Green, who has re-signed with the Cardinals. I wanted to get your thoughts on that and kind of what impact that can make. And just how much A.J. Green does have left in the tank. I mean, I really don't even think it's as much as A.J. Green has in the tank. I think it's just keeping that experienced wide receiver around Kyler.

He's been in the league two or three years now, but still as a growing quarterback, and you're still seeing the growing pains, it's nice to have that one veteran wide receiver who's been through it all these years. Can kind of give him a little on-the-field coaching. Certainly. And we're seeing it in

kyler murray's attitude to being a young being a young kid in this league and man it that whole thing is just getting petty and it's it's am i the only one who thinks it's completely childish and stupid that these player that some of these players are taking all all of their stuff from their team off of their social media like isn't that just straight pettiness i mean that there used to be the day where you know you would talk to somebody face to face now you have a chance to talk your smack through a through a keyboard, computer screen, whatever. And you're able to really just set your attitude out there and show your dislike. Where back in the day, players never had that. They had to go talk to their coaches, managers, owners behind closed doors. And then the media would find out. It

wouldn't be the media alerting the team. imagine actually communicating about something and talking things out like adults couldn't be me right and you know it's also like at least when you're behind a keyboard and saying you're at least saying something in some sort of you know form at least like with this with this whole new thing where players are unfollowing their social media they're not even saying anything they're just doing petty you know petty stuff this is just petty bs that is just like it's it's not you're just making yourself look like a child you're not even saying anything at least that's some form of communication not that i'm trying to justify it because you know that's that's another that's

still petty pettiness. But this is worse. This is like you're not even willing to talk. You're just sitting there pouting. That's what you're doing. And usually I don't even know how to deal with that. No, and I think part of it comes from really a lot of these NFL insiders. As we've seen with Scheffner having a few little bobbles every now and again, as we've seen as of lately, it's just been –

I feel like the reporters are just trying to milk every single story. The second something goes wrong, they make a player seem like they're unhappy with their contract. You know, then all the trade rumors got going. And even on last week's episode, we were talking about all these bizarre, crazy trade rumors that we were going nuts about. I mean, really, I think these players have to show at least a little class and a little maturity if they're going to be asking for these giant paychecks yeah and you have to wonder if maybe they're starting to realize that when some when any any even the smallest thing happens that the media just blows up about it

and suddenly these players are getting a lot of media attention and maybe they're starting to realize that and they're saying well how about i just how about I just do this and then everybody's going to be talking about me. And maybe I'll get some money. I'll get the attention of all these teams and this will all be great. But again, like you're also going to get some negative attention and people are going to be like, dude, just knock it off. Just play for your team. Win a championship. Who cares about the money?

Money does matter. I'll say that much. But still, I bet I definitely couldn't turn down a massive contract. But I also wouldn't mind winning a championship or two. It remains to be seen which is more. I mean, I would think a Superbowl is a little more, you know, a little more valuable,

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