The Fumblerooski Podcast - This ain't it, Chief- Ep 10 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: February 21, 2021

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers win the Super Bowl over the Chiefs in a blowout victory. Tom Brady wins his 7th Super Bowl and is nominated for his 5th Super Bowl MVP. We have special guest Robert Shelly, host of our sister podcast, The Peskypole Podcast. We discuss the outcome of the Super Bowl, the Brady-Belichick debate, and the Brady-Mahomes debate on episode 10 of the Fumblerooski Podcast...Follow us on Instagram @fumblerooski_podcast..Subscribe to our channel Fumblerooski Podcast

Good evening, it is time for the Fumble Whiskey Podcast by Power 88 Dean Radio. I'm your host, Adam Wright, along with co-host Brian Mucker, Justin Tucker, and we have a special guest, Robert Shelley. What's up, guys? Let's go! Welcome to the Amateur Hour Sports Network. So, Robert, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and your podcast? Yeah, well, it's good's good guys my name is Robert I am a senior older than these guys at Dean College with them I host the Pesky Pole podcast by myself going on about a year strong almost I'm also the founder of the Amateur

Hour Sports Network name kind of along with Adam it really got started when these guys got their podcast started. But he got to run baseball podcasts, but loved the game of football also. Yeah, he literally just, I told him, hey, we're starting a podcast. He was like, oh, I have a podcast too. You want to just like be brother-sister podcast? We're like, yeah, I'll be your friend. And we got one more podcast. And we got one more podcast underneath the name.

Two dudes who live up in Canada that have our basketball side of things. Right. Yeah. Compass. Two Compass podcasts. Compass podcast. I'm hoping that they'll come on your show sometime soon because they're huge football fans, too. Good stuff.

Good stuff. Can't wait to have them them so we have a big game to cover that wasn't so good but big game so buckle up buccaneers they win the super bowl in a shocker they beat the chiefs Chiefs, 31-9, and Brady wins his seventh Super Bowl, and the Chiefs were heavily penalized in this game, 11 penalties for a whopping 120 yards. Brady throws for three touchdown passes along with 125 passer rating. He wins his fifth Super Bowl MVP. So, guys, we'll start with you, Brian. Okay.

What was the biggest reason the Buccaneers won this game? Well, if I had to say, I'm not going to give any excuses to the Chiefs, but a lot of questionable penalties. To me, that Mike Evans pass interference call was a complete flop for him. You disagree with me on that. But I'm not going to give any excuses to the Chiefs. The Bucs defense came out, and they had Mahomes scrambling like a junkyard dog. He was either getting sacked, or he was either throwing the ball

and getting interceptions with the Buccaneers coming out of this game. He was running for his life. Justin? Just looking back on the game, I think penalties did play a factor, but not as much as Brian's contributing it to. I believe the Mike Evans call, it's like, is it a catchable ball? I don't know, but you can't tell the referees that it's not because it's Mike Evans, an all-pro caliber receiver.

So he could come down with it. I believe the Bucs did a phenomenal job. I think it was a game of misses. The Chiefs had their chances. They didn't capitalize on their chances. There were a lot of plays where they should have caught the ball to help Patrick Mahomes out. They didn't.

Oh, well. There were some plays I believe they did leave on the field, especially on the defense when it came to, like, just terrible penalties they were taking before halftime. Giving Gronk his second touchdown didn't help, or his two touchdowns didn't help, especially when one of them should have been a field goal. So, all in all, I think the buccaneers just played an overall better

game than the chiefs okay yeah so i've had a problem with the chiefs all season long oh we know team that this is the team all right it's my turn this is a team that throughout the whole season, it just felt like they were a dynasty already, and they had only won one championship. They were playing down to teams all year. They were making a lot of careless mistakes early, and they were coming out with wins because they were just that good but i just didn't like the way they were just so arrogant and kind of just played down to teams there were teams they barely beat that they should have absolutely destroyed i felt like this was something that they were it was eventually going to catch up with them and tonight it did or not tonight sorry um sunday night. This past Sunday, it did. They were penalized heavily, especially during the first half.

There were penalties that they should not have committed, but they did. Right before the half, Andy Reid, I don't know what was going through his head, but he called two timeouts while the Buccaneers had the ball. And it allowed the Buccaneers to score a touchdown right before the half. And it allowed them, instead of going up, say, this team. I mean, if the Chiefs in the first half managed the game a little better, they wouldn't be up. They wouldn't be up. They wouldn't be down 21-6 at halftime.

They'd be down, say, they'd be 13-6. They shouldn't have gotten – there was a field goal attempt. They should not have jumped off sides. I don't know what you're thinking on a chip shot field goal to just jump off sides and give them another chance there was like i said there was two two timeouts that he shouldn't have called they wouldn't have been able to score a touchdown they probably would have just gotten a field goal 13 to 6 at halft, this is still a ball game. It's a different narrative. Now, I still think they would have lost because the Buccaneers just wanted the line of scrimmage, like really wanted the line of scrimmage.

Patrick Mahomes was running for his life, so they would have won anyways. But the fact of the matter is, the reason this was a blowout, like everybody just did not expect, is of the matter is, the reason this was a blowout, like everybody just did not expect, is because the Chiefs, like they have all season long, were playing down. They felt like just showing up, they could win a championship. And it turns out, when they actually meet some tough competition, they didn't know how to act because they've been playing down all year. All right? You've got to take this game a little more seriously.

You're a great team, but you also have to have some toughness to you. All right? So bottom line is this team, they probably would have lost anyways because the line of scrimmage was just so bad. But this is the reason it was a blowout. They shot themselves in the foot here. That's my take. So, Robert, what do you have to say about the game? Okay, so before I get into what I got to say,

first, hot take, Taylor had to keep performing better against Tom Brady than Patrick Mahomes did. Oh, yes. We're going to let that sit for a second. What did you just say? I said Taylor Heineke and the Washington football team did better against Tom Brady than Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. How could you say something so outrageous yet so true? Thank you. For the people out there listening, let that simmer in for a second, all right?

I don't even know if that's a hot take. I'm not even sure I can allow that to continue. But yeah, so overall in the first half, I wasn't able to watch too, too much of it, mainly because I had to work. But I watched the entirety of the second half. Let's just say the main reason that the Bucs won isn't because of Tom Brady. It's because of the Bucs front four. That front four has been almost elite all season, and they really proved themselves against a really injured offensive line. Mahomes was running like he was in Pirates of the Caribbean, Jack Sparrow running away from the natives.

That's basically what was happening. Mahomes was running for his team. Those cannibals were Shaquille Barrett and Jason Pierre-Paul. Eight and a half. That man looked like he was going to eat them. Yes. He did. Mahomes played as best he could.

Like, there's no denying that. But what we can also say is throughout the first half of the game, there was only one Chiefs receiver that really had a good first half, and that was Travis Kelsey. Tyreek Hill, and that was one of the main things they'd do was stop Tyreek Hill. In the first half, or first like two and a half quarters, he only had two catches for 13 yards. He was completely neutralized throughout the entire first quarter.

The Chiefs, I was expecting them to go down in the first half because if you watch any Chiefs playoff football, that's what they do. They go down seven plus in the first half, and then they make a comeback. The Bills, they were down nine to nothing before they actually started carrying. They've always done this. It wasn't a shock to me that they were down halftime. But like I said, Patrick Mahomes just looked like he was the weekend at the start of the Super Bowl trying to get through a maze. It was a whole adventure for Patrick Mahomes.

These guys will definitely be back again. Yeah, I don't know what that was. We'll get in the halftime show later. That was weird. Yikes. Yeah, I mean, I agree for the most part. But, you know, that plays into my point in that they play from behind all the time, and it gets to a point where they just expect to come back.

I feel like in this game, they fell behind, and I didn't see much urgency from... I thought Travis Kelsey, he put up a great stat line, but I thought he just looked like he didn't have any energy. It wasn't there. It felt like the only guys who had any sort of urgency were Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill. Everybody else just failed to show up that game. Yeah, and like I said, the Bucs defense as a whole deserve the MVP more than Tom Brady if you're allowing that dynamic offense which arguably the best offense in the league to not even get a singular touchdown in the biggest game of the year that especially the front four but the defense in general deserves

MVP here's my here's my counter argument to that and I don't know if this could validate further if Brady deserved Super Bowl MVP or not, is that he kind of showed up to this team, an undisciplined football team. They've always been heavily penalized. They're turning the ball over all the time. They're taking sacks. He shows up, and with his his leadership this whole trickle down effect the bucks defense is playing better the coach the coaches look like almost all of a sudden look like geniuses almost and that then it turns into this whole team is just playing better they look like

the patriots in the south and i'm sorry i'm sorry to say no but if you if you take jamis winston and you put that 30 and 30 stat line and you make that let's say a 32 and 8 stat line they make that play that bucks team might go to the conference championship with all the weapons they have super bowl not the super bowl obviously obviously brady's that transcendent to make him go to the Super Bowl. Absolutely not the conference championship. There's a lot more – A hundred percent. There's a lot more issues.

I got – There are a lot more issues with James Winston than just turning the ball over. He did not take care of that football. Yes. He's just a runner. And they were drawing very bad penalties. His leadership was not there. They were undisciplined.

He's only 25. Okay, so. I think they moved Jameis Winston and put in Tom Brady. No, no, no. When he was 25, he had leadership coming into, like, well, at least his second season, not his first season. Leadership that Jameis Winston doesn't have. Yes, I'm not saying Jameis Winston. I'm not saying Jameis Winston is Patrick Mahomes with extra picks

or young Tom Brady with extra picks. Jameis Winston is a strong arm pocket passer that if he limited those interceptions, that team had the strength around it, kind of resembling, I would say, a 2017 Jaguars. That defense wasn't as good as the Jaguars, but they still had a great defense. That offense still had the firepower to get where they needed to go, and I got

that team probably competing with the Packers in the playoffs. Probably losing to the Packers, but beating the Packers, or the Seahawks last year, or San Francisco. I got them competing against San Francisco. I got them losing to all three of those teams if they ever faced them in the playoffs.

As a matter of fact, they were competing in the regular season. And it was competitive until Jameis Winston, Jameis Winston sent those a pick six. It happened. Exactly. He just doesn't know how to... And it's not just pick sixes. The team is

drawing poor penalties. The quarterback takes a sack when he should be throwing it away. It's the little things that you do. It's the leadership that you bring to the table. And we got Jameis Winston out here. How many of y'all ate in a W tonight? How many of y'all ate in a W tonight? Can I just say, all right, besides – He did not eat in into W tonight? How many of y'all ate into W tonight? Can I just say?

All right. Besides. He did not eat into W tonight. Spoiler alert. Besides Brady, who did the. They got Fournette, all right, who came because of Brady. Fournette really turned up his career. And great that he did.

All right. They got AB who really hasn't done too, too much this offseason. Or this season. Gronk who. it's gronk was nowhere near what he was in his prime but it's still gronk like how how better was he than oj howard but that's um neither here nor there if they got a rookie offensive lineman but other than that what else did they get on the offense? Mike Evans. They had Mike Evans. They had Mike Evans. I mean, I'll wait. They added – their key players they added were – I mean, if you looked at it,

everybody's been saying all season that they've – that they added all these players, and they did, but they didn't have to give up much. They didn't pay Antonio Brown very much. They gave, um, they only have to give up like what a million. Yeah. It was,

it was all just, yeah. And they brought in LaShawn McCoy. He didn't, he didn't play, he didn't play a role and they didn't give up for him either. So it was just kind of, they just,

it was 100% low risk risk high reward situations oh and i'm not sure if you guys heard this but you want to hear the best thing about the uh about what tom brady did throughout this season what is it his contract you know how much money he earned this season exactly i forgot the amount 28.3 million yeah he made more as the season went on with these incentives incentives yeah they got they got the incentives exactly to the point where they just had to do it for the meme all right we're getting off topic um so moving on Somebody got that. Mahomes with this loss falls to two and three in head-to-head matchups against Tom Brady. Oh, and two in the playoffs.

I think – and with Tom Brady winning with the pedigree that he has, the decorated career that he has now, seven Super Bowl victories, ten appearances, five Super Bowl MVPs, and on top of that falling to two and three against Brady, does this past performance and this loss diminish Mahomes' hopes of ever being considered, earning consideration of being the greatest of all time. We'll start with you. I'm going to still say no, because even though Mahomes, yes, he has the talent he has right now with Michael Hardman, he has Clyde, he has Hill, he has Kelsey.

What you said in the last episode, yes, those guys might be gone within the next couple of years, like either traded out or released or who knows what will happen though but what what you also have to think about this on the outside picture the draft and frequency they're out the chiefs are actually going to hit if they even if they lose hill or kelsey to either like contract feuds or something like that they can still use the draft or free agency to get bigger pieces and maybe even better players than Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelsey I think that Mahomes as a player can use I think I think he's like Brady almost

I think Brady also had like no talent when he came in like the 2016 season around there I don't know but like what like I said here I think Mahomes whatever whatever whatever path he's going to take he's going to use that talent that he has it doesn't matter if it has to be a top-notch wide receiver or anything like that that wide receiver could just be good overall because it's like Patrick Mahomes throwing the ball to him so I think Mahomes overall I think he could win a couple more Super Bowls even even though he's going to have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. And I'm going to say maybe, maybe Baker Mayfield in this conversation. But I don't know.

You know, it's true. Even though I disagree, he could be a big time player coming off the season. Yeah. And of course, you as a Patriots fan wouldn't want to see that. I don't care as a Patriots fan.'t want to see that i don't care as a patriots fan i just fine sorry a brady fan i just know who's the greatest of all time that's not being that's not just being a brady fan that's just being smart okay so brady had like a couple of like weapons all right a couple how many how many championships did he win with them he does more with less yeah Yeah, I know.

Now, if that was the case, he would have won in 2018. Exactly. 2018, 2019. To me, Amandola was like a waste of time until he came to New England. Yes. What do you mean? That's just lying on us, man.

Brian, we need to put Brian Brack on a script. Brian, maybe you need your script there, buddy. He's a New Yorker. He doesn't like Boston fans. Let's go to Justin before, and then I'll talk some sense into you. He just slapped Brian upside the head. This narrative that Brady never has like help any ones with less. I'm,

I'm not even going to get into that. It's just not true. But does this diminish, diminishes Patrick Mahomes is chances. Yes. It just doesn't end them. I think it's another step forward for like, Brady's just in the goat conversation with anybody because,

you know, seven rings more than any franchise in history. It's kind of hard to debate that. You can't really do anything with it. What I will say, though, it's his first loss in the Super Bowl. He can come back from this. He has the opportunity to go to multiple Super Bowls. Brady didn't just go to, like, six straight and that was that.

No, it was like a decade in between dynasties. So over time, I think it will be eventual. I think he will have another team that will be as good, if not better, than this previous team, and then they can go from there. So I think he still has a chance, but it has diminished in some eyes that, yes, Tom Brady will still be the GOAT by the time Patrick Mahomes is done here's here's the problem we can't we can't even have this conversation for a good another 10 years

all right that's not even an overstatement we can't put we cannot put patch mahomes in the goat conversation until he's about 35 years old then we can start talking about that just proves how much of a legacy and longevity that Brady has to his career. Along with you guys are saying it doesn't necessarily. First of all, Tom Brady has always had weapons, even in the decade when they didn't win the Super Bowl. He kind of had this guy called Randy Moss. He's had he's had a ton of different weapons. All right. Gronk, as much as I hate to say it, Aaron Hernandez, Wes Welker.

He said so many weapons around him, not to mention an elite offensive line. You know, he's never really – correct me if I'm wrong. He's never really had, like, a great, great running back. But the thing that Brady does more with less is insane. All right, that's stupid. Brian, you're stupid. Let's get that out of the way first. But, yeah, going back to that GOAT conversation, we can't have that conversation unless Patrick Holmes comes out here and literally wins the next six out of ten Super Bowls we can't

have that conversation and that doesn't even really revolve around him I mean it's a 53 man roster there are 22 guys that play all the time if you have a really crappy defense there's no way you're going to be able to Super Bowl you can be as great of an offense as there ever was, but if you have a bottom-of-the-line defense, then you ain't going to do nothing. Who was their number one receiver in Super Bowl 51 for the Patriots? What Super Bowl was that? Against the Patriots. Oh, it was an –

I believe in – Against who? Julian Edelman technically is the number one but he plays slot so they'll qualify him as a wide receiver three because of that I would argue Julian Edelman is the number one I just said that to you

who's their number two receiver? that's not 2016 2016 didn't he have like Muhammad Sunim by then? no That's not... 2016. 2016. Didn't he have, like, Muhammad Suneem by then? No, he didn't.

No. Josh Dorman? No. I think it was Malcolm Mitchell, Danny Amendola. No, Josh Gordon. I'm sorry. Not Josh Gordon. Josh Gordon was in 2016. Hogan.

Oh, Hogan. Martellus. Hogan. Was he there? Yeah. Are these guys all top option, top tier options in a passing offense? No, but that's not how Brady or Belichick run their offense. If you take 2018 Tom Brady, 2018 Tom Brady, and you put him in 2016, do you think they still go 14-2 and win the Super Bowl?

They didn't go 14-2, do they? My answer is no. They don't. Because he was younger back then. Back then, he was actually able to win. He was actually able to do more. He was able to do more with less. He took the 2013 team, who didn't have an established receiver yet. Edelman was in his first year. He hadn't even established himself as the number as the number two that he always that i always thought he was gronkowski they only had for about half a season dola he was if you remember him that year he was a disappointment for most of that season before he turned it on

at the end of the 2014 season. But they still went to the conference championship. In 2014, their number one receiver was also Edelman. After that, they got this guy, Brandon LaFell, who turned in a 1,000-yard season. Danny Amendola was another receiver who did well for them. How's he doing in Detroit as their number three option? Sucks. If he is so great, Danny Amendola,

then why didn't Detroit win more with Matthew Stafford? Here's the problem with what you're saying, though. All right. Two things. First, I got to go back to what you said, that 2018 Brady couldn't do what 2016 Brady did. You mean the guy that in the Super Bowl set a record for most passing yards in a Super Bowl with, what was it, like 513? It was something crazy like that. 505 yards with his number one receiver in that game being Danny Amendola because Edelman was gone to an ACL tear.

They had – Brandon Cooks was taken out of the game with concussion. He got – Yeah, I remember that. He got the best team of them by the way. And he picked apart a top-ranked Eagles team for 505 yards and three touchdowns. And you're telling me he couldn't do that in 2016? You don't think in 2018 he had a little bit of a drop-off? He proved that he could still do it. He could still do it, but he certainly needed more. You asked him, could he do it?

And the answer is yes by the Brady you're asking about. Yes. The point I'm just trying to make is that, like, Tom Brady, from age 41 to 43, he's still good. He's still a very good quarterback. Actually, he's still good. He's still a very good quarterback. He's still great, but he's not – I just think earlier on in his career, I thought he was the guy who could do more with less, and now he can't. That's why he moved over to Tampa Bay. They have more talent, and he was able to play a little more rejuvenated football.

And they won a championship there. Okay, so how are you talking about here? When is the time where you played with less and made it as good as you're saying? Because in 2013, you're saying he played with less, but only made it to the conference championship. The year after, he had Gronk, he had Edelman, he had Amendola, and they still made the super bowl and won it and my argument has always been it's never been about the players it's been

about the system of belichick because he looks for mismatches so that year with brandon mufel he was the mismatch and that's why he got the thousand yards that's always been my argument the brady belichick system they don't play by like star names or key players no they always look for a mismatch and edelman and lafell just so happen to be those mismatches yeah and i i completely agree with justin because if you if you were to take bruce arians and put him on that 2016 team they're not one in the super bowl all right they don't have the weapons they don't the coaching. But because you put Belichick in there, they now have the coaching that can do more

with those little weapons. Perfect point. Would anybody have known the name Gunnar Olszewski if Bill Belichick wasn't his coach? Answer me that, Adam. Have they made the playoffs? The answer is hell no. No one would know the name Gunnar Olszewski as a good now because, what, he's a rookie or second-year player?

He's still good. All he does is special teams. Yes, that doesn't matter. He can take a chance. Exactly the point. They don't even – he can't play. He's good right now in his role because he has belichick as a coach that's what i'm trying to say that's just one example of the numerous amounts that we can go through all right you

think west welker is doing anything else with any other team even if brady is his quarterback even if drew breeze is his quarterback prime philip rivers aaron luck andrew luck and aaron lodgers shut up if you give him if you give west welker any of those other weapons he ain't doing well even with tom br Brady on another team. Bill Belichick made those guys better than they were, especially wide receivers, and you cannot argue that to save your life. Yeah, I can't. You cannot. How about if he's so great with making receivers this much better, then why can't he draft a wide receiver to save his life?

Because we never need to draft one in the upper rounds. I mean, Nikhil Harry. Exactly, Nikhil Harry. Yeah, Nikhil Harry sucks. Yeah, and how long – and yeah, how is Nikhil Harry turning out in New England right now? That's my point. He's awful.

Yeah. You're not going to expect him to hit on every single one. Some players just don't have the drive. They're either injury prone or something like that. You know, it has to be on the end of the receiver, too, to put in the work. He hasn't. You can't blame Belichick for Nikhil Harry being injured his first year and then not putting in the work and having a disappointing season his second year. I blame him for being a bust, yes.

You blame Belichick. For not being able to. Blame him for being a bust, yes. You blame Belichick. I'm still waiting for you to name a receiver who he's drafted who's been good. I'm pretty sure he did draft Julian Edelman. Yes, Julian Edelman. Well, it wasn't Julian Edelman I was drafting, but he ended up on the Patriots. His last receiver he drafted was Edelman. That was the only good one. It doesn't matter.

If somebody's on your team, that is good. That hasn't been good in other systems. It doesn't matter who the hell drafted them. It matters that they're on the team now and they're doing good. Or, stay with me now, Brady does more with less. Keep telling me about that less People always ask Was it Brady? Was it Belichick? No, it was both

It was obviously both bringing both their strengths In to make a perfect dynasty Brady helped A lot Mike Evans, Chris Godwin Were not going to do this well if they had Let's say, like four years younger Drew Brees. Yes, they would.

What? All right. Brady does make his teammates better by his coaching. All right. Bruce Arians did not coach that game. Let's be honest. Brady coached that game. Are you talking about Bruce Arians?

Bruce Arians is a fake coach. We're bringing Bruce Arians in this conversation? Come on now. Bruce Arians is more fake of a coach. We're bringing Bruce Arians in this conversation? Come on now. Bruce Arians is more of a player's coach. He's kind of the guy who just sits there and he's just like, please, Brady, take advantage of me. This is more rubber. This is what more it is.

It's like Brady on the offensive side doing all the work, and on the defensive side you see Todd Bowles doing all the work. Bruce Arians is there. He isn't doing anything. He lets his coaches coach, which is what they're paid to do. I don't think – what do you want the head coach to do? The quarterback is not paid to do that. But Brady does.

No, I'm talking about the OC. Byron Lefkowitz coaches the offense. Todd Rose does the defense. Let the coaches coach and just intermediate between the two. That's what a head coach is. What are we doing here? I don't get why we criticize Bruce Arians this much because he just so happens to have Tom Brady. Because he's a fake coach.

He's not a fake coach. He's a players coach. That has a ring. He has a boost morale more than anything. He has a ring because he had Tom Brady land on his lap. No, he has a ring right now because he had the Bucs defense step up when they needed to. And just the overall talent to win a Super Bowl. If Todd Bowles is doing it, I think Todd Bowles should be at the rightful head coaching spot.

You mean the Bucs defense who allowed how many points to 26 points to Rodgers in the offense? The only allowed nine in the offense. You only allow 9-0 to get them the ring. Yep. Sometimes it's going to be an offensive game. Sometimes it's going to be a defensive game. The defense knew that the Chiefs' offensive line was terrible, so they needed to step up and take crucial advantage of that. And listen, I

like Todd Bowles. He was the head coach of the Jets. Enough talking. Enough of that. Enough. We didn't talk about that. You've been a head coach of the Jets. Enough talking. Enough of that. Enough. You'd be a good coach with the Jets. I wish they kept him. It's a game stupid on him, Gase. I mean,

it's a good game for me. Since we're going to move on, since we're talking about this somehow turned into Brady and Belichick, that actually just so happens to be our next question. How hard does last night's game hit Bill Belichick's legacy? Not as hard as people's.

Doesn't in the slightest. So, to me, severely, it hits him severely. Because what did Brady sign? Like a two-year deal with the Bucs? Two-year with one. So Brady's already won one Super Bowl in his first year. If he ends up going back again next year, then that's going to put Bill Belichick's GM spot on the hot seat.

And I think that might be the case. And now Robert's pissed off. Bill Belichick is not. If he has the year that he had this year and that continues next year, he's going to be in the hot seat. Because he can't draft on offense. He can only draft on defense. You saw what the wide receivers he's drafted over the years.

They sucked. They kill Harry, bust. And I looked at the other list. I never even knew what the hell these wide receivers names are until I just saw the list. And, Robert, you got to hear me on this. He's going – he might – this might happen next year. He might get fired if he doesn't perform better. He needs to draft – he needs to either sign a quarterback or draft a –

Justin, Justin, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Can I go before you? Hold on. We need to clarify something here. Fired altogether or fired as a GM? No, fired as a GM. Coach, he stays.

Okay, okay. Coach, he stays. All right. Robert, you respond. He did not just say that. He did not just say that. I think he did. I think he did.

First of all, you can only do so much when you have a quarterback that throws two passing touchdowns at Gillette. All right. We had – Jared Stidham was not the answer. All right. And by the time everything was all said and done, it was either going to be Jared Smith. Jared Smith. What am I saying? Jared Stidham.

Jake Flom. I mean, who else was there? Jalen Hurts was in the third. No, Jalen Hurts was the second-round guy. They wouldn't have taken him. Or Cam Newley. Jacob Eason. Thank you.

I was supposed to say there's one more from the Colts I was forgetting. It was going to be one of those four quarterbacks. And realistically, none of them were getting you Super Bowl. All right, this offense just wasn't it. All right, we could have had all the draft capital in the world. We weren't. We didn't have a first-round pick this year. In the second, we took a safety because probably

McCourty's going to be gone sometime soon. It's filling a hole of need in the future. This team is not going to... That's why Patrick Chung opted out. That's why they needed a safety to fill that gap. McCourty's thing... I don't know McCourty. I think he's still staying. He's getting older. That's my problem. I don't know McCourty's, I think he's still staying. He's getting older.

That's my problem. He might, he might, I don't know how, I don't know how well he's going to regress. Anyway, we had to use, I definitely wasn't a fan of the fourth round kicker pick, but you know. Kickers are people too. Alright, this season,

I mean, we still have a full-off season to wait. All right. I really wanted Stafford as the quarterback of this team, but realistically, it's going to be one of two people. It's either going to be, let's say, Kyle Trask or Matt Jones? James Winston. No. I don't think.

I think they should take him away from the Saints. No, James Winston is going back to the Saints. They're going to progress on him highly. I really don't like Kyle Trask. Did he only sign a one-year or did he sign multiple-year contracts? He signed a one-year, but the Saints are still going to pursue him. Yes. With James Winston, I like him as a quarterback.

I just don't like what he has to bring to the table, like what you said earlier. Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. All right. If you took Jameis Winston with eye surgery and a better coach and put him in Cam Newton's shoes, does he do better than Cam Newton? He throws for more touchdown passes, but he turns the ball over. I'm going to say yes.

I think he does better than Cam Newton. Thank you. Because what Cam Newton did this year, and he was atrocious. Like, he basically almost lost a starting job to Brian Hoyer or Jared Siddham. Yeah, he lost it in multiple games. And his backups have been backups the rest of their careers. You don't know what Jared Siddham can do. He goes on the field and he throws a pick in his first game.

And on top of it, he was against the Jets. Hashtag bring Jimmy Garoppolo back. That's a big if. I don't know what they're talking about, but that's a big if. But they're also talking about Mitchell Trubisky, and that's going to be very, very interesting. Another one that's on the trade block is Watson, but I realistically don't think that's going to be a thing. I don't think you guys have the capital to get him. They want two firsts and two good defensive players.

We don't have that kind of asset to still be a competing team if we were to give up that much. Sure. All right. So, Justin. Listen, I'm not going to lie to you. The moment Brian said Bill Belichick should be fired and did not finish that statement, I almost lost it. Because I thought he just said fire him as a head coach.

Because that, no. I would never say something like that. As dumb as I am, I would never say something like that. I know what he's done as a head coach, and it's killed me as a Jets fan. He's not leaving New England for a while until probably he's, like, retired. That's why I was happy when Adam asked to clarify your statement on that, because even he saw the ridiculousness in that statement. Wait, what? Anyway, Bill Belichick's not going anywhere.

I think he's perfectly fine where he is with his eight Super Bowl rings. People forget how many rings this guy actually has. He has eight of them. That's more than Brady. I think Belichick has had problems drafting wide receivers. I think he's hit some. I think he's missed some getting receivers. I think hopefully he'll rectify that mistake.

But first and foremost, they need a quarterback for the future. Cam Newton's not the franchise guy, and neither is anybody in the quarterback position. So I think they should draft a quarterback for the future and then go from there, because they went 7-9, didn't they? They had an okay season. They

almost beat Miami, and Miami was a 10-16. So as far as this hurting Bill Belichick's legacy or diminishing it in some way no not really i think he's perfectly fine as is right now i think people will always question if brady had more than people give him credit for but i think it's like 50 50 down the middle i don't think brady would have been as successful without belichick and vice versa okay so would have been as successful without Belichick and vice versa. Okay. So Matthew Stafford,

a couple of weeks ago, it was a dark day in New England. He was traded to the Rams for a haul of assets. It was congratulations to the Lions for getting such a great start to their rebuild. But in a follow-up, in finding out what destinations he wanted to go to, his response was he wanted to go anywhere but New England. And another thing that happened was a couple of weeks ago, one of the biggest quotes that came out, and I'm paraphrasing, Amendola literally went on,

I believe it was ESPN, in an interview and he said, yeah, it's not, it wasn't Belichick. It was Brady. So I disagree. I think, I think it's about, you can't really make a solid argument for anything more than in the area of 60, 40 in either direction. However, I think when, I think we can all agree before Brady left this, left for Tampa this offseason, Belichick was a god to the entire league. Everybody, it was like, and I listened to 98.5, the sports hub.

And over the years, there was a quote that one of them said, that one of them constantly says, Michael Felger,ger he says if i were to die and be reborn as anybody it would be bill belichick because i could sneeze and everybody would think that it's just this master plan just part of like this mass like he's just this mastermind and i think this season hurt him just a little bit. His quarterback who left, who he wouldn't let try to go play until he sucks, went and won a Super Bowl. He picked up Cam Newton.

He rolled the dice, and he was wrong on it. They finished 7-9. He can still coach, but we're starting to see that on offense, his track record is a little spotty. And we're starting to realize Bill Belichick is more of a defensive mind than he is offense. And I think he is not, while I think he's still one of the greatest coaches to ever play. I think this, this certainly hurts him. And I don't think you can make an argument that it didn't, it really did. And I, I think, I think, I think Brian's, uh,

take was very, very out there, but I think he has a point in the fact that, um, in the sense that, that he um that if he has another down year like this i don't think you should say he's on the hot seat but you could certainly question his gm skills on the offensive side of the ball just look at what he has drafted over the years his only the only spot he's really done well at on offense is – The O-line. I mean, he's been solid at O-line, but it's at tight end.

He drafted Rob Gronkowski. This year he sucked at that. Aaron Hernandez wasn't a tight end. I think he's talking about receivers. Aaron Hernandez was a tight end. Ben Watson, he drafted. Yep. But look at the tight ends this year. Ben Watson, he drafted. Yep. But look at the tight ends this year.

The tight ends were terrible. I mean, Asiasi was yikes. But here's the thing. I'm going to say this now. Bill Belichick could go 3-13 the next three seasons and not be fired just based on name alone. As a GM? As a GM. I am coach he can go 3 and 13 for the next three

seasons and will still not be fired just on name alone the patrons will give him a job for as long as he wants to stay in the game for what he's done for the team will happen i agree that probably won't happen it's what should happen my thing is tom brady just left to go to a better team. He just looked at the roster around and was like, no, and went to a better team. I think Brady realized I feel like I'm on the clock now. I only have a certain number of years where I feel like I can do this at a high enough level and then I can retire. So I'm like,

I want to go to the place that gives me the best possibility. And Tampa was a great choice. I don't think people realized how great of a choice it actually was. But I think Brady wanted to move on from what he had in New England. Yeah. Why is he going to argue this? They had some talent on the they have tampa the way i saw tampa going into this upcoming season is they had talent on the offensive side of the ball

but they're they're still an undisciplined team they have a head coach who's more just a player's coach just lets them do whatever the hell they want and i don't think that's the right way to go when you're playing, when you're in Tampa Bay, which is the most losing culture sports franchise. One of them, at least. They are statistically the most losing franchise out of all franchises in the history of sports. I don't even know that. I don't understand why they have a Super Bowl.

And you take away the preseason. You take away OTAs. It's hard to transform a team just like that. Especially, you know, and there were signs of dysfunction throughout the year that they had to work out. I remember the game against the Chicago Bears. They were penalized heavily.

I saw every time they had some good momentum going on any offensive drive, there would be some penalty on the offensive line, and it would just kill all the momentum. They lost. The next game, they were penalized, what, two, three times? Or did they get any? I don't think they got any penalties, did they? No, they got a couple.

They got a couple. Yeah. Point stands. As the team – as the game – as the season went on, that culture was transformed. And they – like I said, and I stand by it. By the end of this season, they looked a lot more like the Patriots of the South. A little less buttoned up, but they looked a little bit like the Patriots of the South. I agree.

It's 60-40 Brady over Belichick, but only 60-40. And I think I said it to you guys right after the Super Bowl ended, but I think Belichick is going to find a way to hold the zone at some point. Can I be honest with you guys for a second? Yes. If you remember back at the start of 2020 against the Titans in the playoffs, right after Brady threw that final pick six, I looked at my little sister who was watching the game with me,

and I said, well, have fun watching him in a Miami Dolphins uniform. I thought he was going to Miami. They just had all the right pieces. I don't think – well, I don't know. That makes sense. Think back then. They had all the right pieces. They had the cap space to tell Brady, go out and look for any two players that you want to bring this team.

Bring them in here gladly. Plus, they had the offensive – plus, they had the draft picks to be able to draft the other players that he didn't want to bring with him well adam robert has a point here a former former patriots coach and brian flores yeah he had a bunch of pieces from the patriots defense come over with flores and it in that offense was a little shaky but But if Brady comes to that offense, he can turn into any wide receiver into a number one receiver, like Grant to me. He could possibly be number one if Brady came over.

Devontae Parker's already proven himself as a number one. And I'm sure. No. Do you get that? Yes. He said he's a number one. Devontae Parker. Devontae Parker is a two.

I think he could be, but I don't know. He's a one. He could be. It depends on the fact of him. Give him a better quarterback. But, see, the way I see it with the Miami Dolphins in the coming years and the past couple years, that's a team that's on the rise and they're up and coming,

but I, they're not ready now. And I think Belichick wanted to win or sorry, Belichick. I thought, I think Brady wanted to win now. And the Buccaneers were a team where he looked at and he said, I'm just going to, I'm going to go to this team. I'm going to try and change the culture. And I think if I can change the culture and make this team more disciplined, I think I can turn this team into a Super Bowl winner. And that's exactly what he did. That's why I take Miami, or sorry, that's why I take the Buccaneers over Miami.

I thought the Chargers and the Buccaneers were the best fits, and they were right to aggressively pursue. Oh, here's the Chargers. Game over. Oh, the Chargers. He went to the Chargers. Game over. Oh, the Chargers. He went to the Chargers. They do worse than the Bucs.

The Chargers. They made the playoffs. The injuries to the defense. Defense was heavily injured. So I see what you mean. Yeah. But I think if you put Herbert on the Bucs and Brady on the Chargers, obviously Herbert wouldn't go to the Bucs, but it's just a hypothetical that the Bucs would still make the playoffs they'd probably

they'd probably be first round exit but they'd make the playoffs they may not even make I think they go 10 and 6 and because it's not just the talent Robert it's not just the talent it's the culture it's the it's the fact the team was undisciplined. Do you think Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are going to listen to Justin Herbert? Do you think – No, Bruce Arians would actually have to do his job and step up as a coach and a leader. So maybe. – he comes out of retirement.

Well, you also got to think about this. When – Gronk wasn't really like – he started to come off as – started to come off big when O.J. Howard was out of retirement. Well, you also got to think about this. When Gronk wasn't really, like, he started to come off as someone started to come off big when O.J. Howard was out for the season. It was originally O.J. Howard. So he would have to listen to either O.J. Howard, and I think Brait was in there a little. Gronk was more like a blocking tight end until O.J. Howard went down.

At first. But O.J. Howard did go down. Yeah, so you know that. It's hard to play the hypotheticals. Yeah. And there down at first. But O.J. Howard did go down. Yeah. It's hard to play the hypotheticals. Yeah. And there is a butterfly effect, too. If Herbert does go there, does O.J. Howard tear his Achilles? We'll never know.

Yeah. We'll play the hypothetical game if O.J. Howard. But if Justin Herbert goes to Tampa, Rob Gronkowski does not go out of retirement. Mm-hmm. He probably goes. No, he's not going. Actually, no, he does go out of retirement to play for L.A. Like, let's be honest. Oh, yeah.

Gronk in Hollywood, he's tearing that town up. Mm-hmm. Let's be honest. Gronk in Hollywood, he's tearing that town up. Gronk's not coming to some games because he's hungover. Gronk's not going to Week 15. I agree. I think he would come out of town if it was L.A. and Brady was there. We need to move on to our final segment. We're going to go past all this super bowl coverage and believe it or not it's the off season we're going to wind down a little bit but not too much because it hasn't even started and it's already crazy. One player was already traded, Matthew Stafford,

and we already have a lot of rumors flying around. Deshaun Watson expected to be traded. We have a lot of quarterbacks who are expected to be traded. And a lot of high up there free agents literally everywhere. So I want to get one thought from each of you, one take going into this offseason. What interests you about this offseason? We'll start with you, Brian. Okay, so I would like to see where some of these top-notch receivers go, like Allen Robinson, Will Fuller, Juju Schuster.

I would like to see where those go. I know Juju wants to be with the Steelers still, but the Steelers are also losing a lot of key players on their defense and offensive side, so I don't know where Juju's going to end up. Kenny Galladay, I saw that he declined, I think it was a four-year 16 million from Detroit,

so I would like to see where he goes. I don't think after the season with Allen Robinson, I don't think he's going to go back to the Bears because he did not. He was really frustrated on that offense. And Will Fuller, if Deshaun's out, then I feel like he's going to be out too. And also going with Deshaun Watson, I would love, and I know Justin would love to hear this, I would love to see him in a green, white, and black uniform.

Love to see it because I know, I think he said he wants to go there first. He wants to test with the Jets. If the Jets decline, then obviously he'll go to Miami and they'll package two in a deal to send him to Houston. But, yeah, I would love to see where these guys go. Carson Wentz, I heard he was he was supposed to sign with the team in the next couple of days but um I haven't seen anything yet with Carson but I don't know where exactly he'll go I want to say he might go to um I maybe Atlanta but I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know with them. Justin?

I agree with Brian when it comes to the quarterback situations. It's like the first time that we've seen so much starting caliber quarterbacks being on the market. So if I'm Deshaun, if I'm a Niners fan, I kind of want to see him in the San Francisco uniform because if you look at that NFC West now, Murray, Stafford, and all these quarterbacks,

you need like a starter caliber quarterback. You need like an elite caliber one, and that'll be Deshaun Watson. Now, Jimmy G could be that for you. That remains to be seen, But if I'm the Niners, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat and trade Jim Garoppolo away. Because Watson and Kyle Shanahan as an offense together, stop it. They're too good. As the Ravens saying that I am,

I kind of want us to get a receiver, whether it's through the draft or through free agency. I need us to get a wide receiver. Hopefully our passing game will improve, because if not, I'm going to strangle someone. Because I'm sure to you, enough is enough of my passing game. Our running game is phenomenal. I mean, it is what it is, back-to-back 3,000-yard seasons. But I need to see a lot more improvement in the passing game. And I know we've made some hires. So hopefully that'll improve. And hopefully we get, like, I know I'm dreaming, but Allen Robinson says, yeah, the Ravens, they can give me a ring. So hopefully he can come my way. I wouldn't hate that. King Galladay, probably a two-year, $15 million deal.

Let me dream. Other than that, that's it. Justin, if I see a re-sign of Willie Snead and no other receiver, you're never going to hear the end of it from me and Andrew. It is what it is. It is what it is. Because you guys still have a bomb of Myles Boykin over there. Yeah, Marquise Brown

can never hold the ball. So... Listen, in the playoffs, he's clutch in the regular season. He can't catch. I don't know what it is. But, yeah. Okay.

So, I have... I have three predictions and one question that have to do with the offseason slash next season. My question, does Juju have more receptions or TikToks next year? That's a tough one. I think he actually steps up and gets more receptions, hopefully.

I don't know, to be completely honest with you. But going into my predictions, and I want to say these are locks for predictions. All right. Number one, Cam Newton finds himself on the football team for about $15 million annually. Number two, Carson Wentz is either in a Bears uniform in a trade for Nick Foles and picks, or he is in a Raiders uniform and Derek Carr gets cut. Maybe a trade, but I don't know. Prediction number three,

Deshaun Watson does end up on the Jets, but the Jets only go 6-11 because they I think it's Emmitt Smith that the Cowboys did this for. They go the entire trade, like all draft – almost all draft compensation, plus Sam Darnold just to make sure they outbid everyone else to get Deshaun Watson.

Okay, but what makes you think that they wouldn't – like what Allen Robertson said – Jets are that stupid. Jets are the Brian of the NFL. No, they're not. That is not. Yes. They kept around Adam Gase for two years. That is one and a half years too many.

I think it's two years too long to be honest, but hey, they hired him. No, no. This is what I'm saying. The Jets. This is what I'm saying about the Jets. If the Jets land Deshaun Watson, Allen Robinson's going to look the other way. He might want to come to the Jets because that's what I saw on a Twitter that he sent out.

Even if they do get Allen Robinson, the Jets are just going to completely overpay based on draft compensation so much more. I'm guaranteeing the deal's going to look something around the lines of Sam Darnold, two firsts, this year's second, third, fourth, and next year's fifth.

That's a lot, but I don't know if I'll use that. A hundred percent. I'd say the Jets are stupid enough to try and outbid everyone else to get that. If Stafford is worth two first-round picks and Jared Goff, who still has some promise left in him, that just boosted the market insanely high and completely lowered the value of first-round picks. Okay, so if the Jets package a deal, obviously they'll send their picks to them.

Obviously, their second-or-all pick to them because Houston doesn't have it first. But what makes you think that they wouldn't add another player in to keep some of those picks? Nah, the Texans need draft compensation. They gave up two first-round picks to get Laramie Tunsell and Kenny Stills. All right, they need draft compensation for their life. They're in full rebuild mode. Free agents and trades aren't going to help them right now. They need to go young. They're going to want nothing but draft compensation and young players. That's why there's a that's why there's rumors of a two a deal in the works, because that's just a young quarterback they can meet. He should not be going to Miami, though. I like to as a quarterback. He should not be going. He should be staying in miami yes 100 thank you he's still a better fit

um so i'm not one thing that i've been really intrigued by in recent years um and is starting to make tremendous strides even before this offseason even starts is the quarterback market so far in the NFL. So if you look in recent years, just in the contracts, they've been getting richer and richer as the years go on. Obviously the biggest headline over this past offseason was that Patrick Mahomes, he becomes the highest paid athlete in sports history. That's huge, especially in football, considering the big contracts that are coming out of the MLB so far. And the NFL being, it's just a kind of a middling salary.

Just because players get injured often, There's no guarantee with them. And, you know, you have Kirk Cousins getting a huge deal. Stafford was signed to a huge deal. And then he was traded for all of this draft compensation. You know, so I just wonder, is this, are we seeing sort of a change in the league where the league is learning just how valuable quarterbacks are? And it's, and I kind of, the way I look at it, it kind of reminds me of the NBA with their star power, how they sort of, the players know how much power they have. The league knows how much power the stars have.

So they're willing to do whatever it takes to get these star players. And the players know it as well. And they're like, well, if you can't make me happy, then I'm just going to go somewhere where they are going to make me happy. And I'm not sure how I feel about that yet because I don't like it in the NDA but I think we we might be experiencing a major change in value in position coming to the with the quarterbacks I think quarterback is is quickly becoming one of the more valuable positions, not just in football, but maybe in all of sports. Can I go first and just say one quick thing, and then I'll leave the floor up to you guys?

Quarterbacks need to go – quarterbacks and just any position in general need to go the way the NBA does and just get a 100% guaranteed contract. I mean Brady's contract right here on $28.3 million this year, the majority of it was on incentives. Incentives aren't guaranteed in your contract. I mean, Brady's contract, right? He earned $28.3 million this year. The majority of it was on incentives. Incentives aren't guaranteed in your contract. Brady base salary was what? 10 million, 15 million. It was one of those two, right? Quarterbacks just need to fight for a hundred percent guaranteed contracts. I disagree. I think it depends on the position. It might, that might be the case that might wind up happening with quarterback because quarterbacks last a little longer but when you go with other positions where players don't last quite as long then it's hard to it's hard to have any leverage for any

guaranteed money so i just don't think i i disagree i partly disagree with you on that but i think certain positions you might be able to – there might be some changes there. I think we're witnessing a revolution for quarterbacks in the NFL right now and rightfully so. So when you bring up the part about the NBA, are you talking about like when Jimmy Butler was on Happy Minnesota and he said, screw Minnesota, I want to go to a different team that will make me win. Is that like what the reference you're saying? That's what happened. I'm saying when LeBron James is a free agent, it turns into a massive event.

And that could be a thing with, especially when the entire NFL blows up when we hear that Deshaun Watson wants to go. You know, we can, you can, there's a, you can easily see in a time in the near future where say like an Aaron Rogers says like, screw it, I'm out. And it turns into like, there's all these TV television events. They're sitting in like a whole gymnasium and he's making his, he's saying, I'm taking my talents to San Francisco. And everybody's like, holy crap.

And, oh, by the way, I really think he would look awesome in San Francisco colors. Just saying. I think Aaron Rodgers will look awesome with San Francisco. Okay, well, the reason why Watson did not – okay, so they were a playoff team. Their biggest mistake was obviously trading Hopkins in the offseason just to get injured, banged up David Johnson. The reason why Watson wanted to leave Houston was because he wanted to be part of these organizational talks.

He was never part of them. So there was a reason why he wanted to leave. I don't think it's because of the team's performance that happened this year. I think it's because of the organization itself. I think that's exactly what I'm saying. The hiring of I don't i always forget the gm's name who they just hired he was like a patriot or something you know nick is there oh and i'll be i'll be right back you guys keep talking i will be right back

of course it doesn't be right back that's point. You see, if he's unhappy with the organization, he has the leverage to just leave. And I think Houston continuously says, well, we want him to stay as a Texan. He's going to stay as a Texan. It's turning into a little standoff here. I guarantee you they're going to lose the standoff. He has way too much leverage.

He can just say, I'll sit out this year, and eventually they're going to cave. Because if they wind up trading their franchise quarterback, they're going to get a lot for him. Yeah, but what they're asking, most of the league probably won't do it. And so they are content with just saying, listen, unless we're getting what we want, you're staying right here. And Deshaun says, I'm not playing. Yeah, but like Justin, I'm going to sit out. The problem is Deshaun loses money even during preseason if he sits out so if he sits out during the regular season still lost some money i'm not sure deshaun watson is willing to lose

like millions and millions of dollars to sit out i think eventually he will play because it's like going to get to a certain point like yeah i need some of this money back so i'm gonna play but at the same time it's like he doesn't like the situation he's in. He's probably not going to be in it wholeheartedly, and it's going to be like a terrible position to be in. So I'm not sure if or when he'll get traded. It might be the next offseason. It might be in the next few days.

We're just going to have to wait and see. Justin, I could easily bring up another player that had the same – that is having the same or had the same issue that Deshaun's having right now. And that is Le'Veon Bell. Hey, major issues with the Steelers organization. Did not sign a deal, did not reach an agreement, sat out, and he eventually got – when did he get released? And he signed with the Jets.

But it's different. No, he was traded to the Jets. He was traded to the Jets. Yeah, he was traded to the Jets. But the problem is – no, he signed with the Jets. But it's different. No, he was traded to the Jets. He was traded to the Jets. Yeah, he was traded to the Jets. But the problem is, no, he signed with the Jets. He only had one deal left. He only had one deal left, so he just said, screw it. I'm just going to wait until I become a free agent.

It's different with running backs. Running backs have their values differently than quarterbacks. Quarterbacks have much higher value. You know, but if he Watson's value could drop if he decides if he winds up playing, he plays he plays half he plays half-assed football, and then his value goes down because they're like, okay, this guy doesn't have a good attitude, and then the team doesn't get – the team does eventually trade him, and they don't get as much as they would want for him. Okay, I agree with you on that. It's just that I think Watson's value is still high, even if he sits out or no matter what.

He could easily go – he could do, like, off-season training if he sits out. It's not like he's going to, like, sit on his ass and, like, not do anything. No, I think – no. They're going to wind up training. Just the fact that he says he doesn't want to be there, that's not a good look for the organization for them to keep him around. If he doesn't want to be there, then he doesn't want to be there then he doesn't want to be there because he was like you also see like the league this franchise is learning they know how valuable this quarterback is and they're willing to do whatever it takes now

to keep them they want to keep him around but the problem is watson knows how valuable he is too so it's going to turn into this major standoff. Do you have this standoff at any position? I say no. At any other position on the field, you don't have this kind of major leap-wide issue. Well, you do realize when you – the reason why Houston's been good is because of Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins, but they gave away DeAndre Hopkins.

If they go to Watson now, Houston's going to be worse than Jacksonville at this point. I think Watson's value is still high no matter what, even if he sticks out no matter what. Yeah, that's my point. Okay, still, he wants to be on a team where they either have a bright future ahead of them or they're a winning team. I really don't know why he wants to go to the Jets. I guess it's like a full rebuild, and I think he sees that. They might be saying, oh, they might be a good team in a couple years. But I'm not going to say that because the Jets have been the Jets ever since.

And I understand why he's picking other teams like Miami and San Francisco as ones because they have a great team, they have a great coach, they have great coaches around them. So I see why he wants to go to these other teams and not Houston because Houston obviously does not want him. I don't know if Houston is just saying, screw you, Watson, we're not going to let you on these conversations at all. All right.

I don't think we can – it's hard to really argue. They're going to wind up trading these conversations at all. All right. I don't think we can – you can't – it's hard to really argue. They're going to wind up trading Deshaun Watson this offseason. I hope so. Deshaun will speak. He's – and just the fact that he said he doesn't want to be there anymore. That's – they're not going to keep him around. That sends all the wrong messages to the locker room and the players. All right.

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