The Fumblerooski Podcast - UnBEARable -Ep 407 The Fumblerooski Podcast

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

On today’s episode, come and join us to celebrate our 5-year anniversary! The Packers take over the NFC North and beat the Bears 28-21. Do we still view the Bears as contenders? A look at the AFC South after Daniel Jones’ achilles tear, and a look at the AFC North after the Steelers win over the Ravens. Bills win in comeback fashion over the Bengals. Along with this, a live reaction to the Monday Night Football finish. Chris Costich, Adam Wright, Justin Tucker, and CJ Medeiros talk all this and more!

What if this was someone in your family that had a chronic illness that they could not get away from? Millions of Americans live with a disease that has no cure. I was diagnosed with a rare form of sarcoma. The most immediate findings indicated that I should lose my leg. It ended up taking four clinical trials in 25 years to get me to this point. Cures are within reach. if we invest in funding for life-saving medical research that's needed to find them. Even if they're unsuccessful in my treatment that they will have learned from my treatment

that will be able to allow others to stand on my shoulders to be able to be helped. Join the Fight for Cures. Tell your elected representatives to support American medical research. Visit UnitedforCures.org slash action to send a letter today. paid for by United for Cures action another fantastic week of the NFL season the packers take control of the NFC north the chiefs are six seven rams with a bounce back win and we got the chargers potentially might beat the Eagles this is the former risky podcast it may not have always showed it in the stat sheet but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws back to back games where he has three touchdowns So one's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome to the Fulburwski podcast, powered by Power 818 Radio and Secret Weapon Consulting.

We got the whole gang here, Justin Tucker, C.J. Madero's Adam Wright from beneath the control room and myself, Chris Costage. And the reason why that we had the whole gang here is the five years. anniversary of the Fulmaruski podcast that was started by here by Adam Wright. I only just joined here, what, I've been here like two years out of the three. What? Tuck's a founder, too. Or a Tuck, sorry. No problem.

My bad. My bad. Adam and Tuck starred this five years ago, to this day. Um, I only joined in about three years ago, three, three years ago, yeah, uh, C.J, how long you've been, have you been here? Four. Four? How about that? Yeah, full presidential term, man. Nice. How about that? Uh, well, Adam Tuck, since you guys are the longest tenure guys here, uh, anything, any words you want to say. I was granted emergency powers. I'm further than, I'm further than a presidential term. I'm saying, you know what, let's still go another term.

Let's go 2028. Let's just take that one too. I'm just grateful that we've been able to do this for so long. I'm happy to have the boys with me. Happy to keep this going. Just proud of everything we were able to accomplish. And I'll certainly have more words at the end of the episode just so that we can get through all the content.

But yeah, this has been a great five years. It's been great building this up with you guys. And, you know, making new friends. and working with you guys every week. It's been awesome to work on this thing. Hell, yeah. All right. With that word, well, CJ, you want to say any words now before we really get going?

Yeah, I'll say it for the end. All right. Start out with our Ruski game of the week. Packers and the Bears, the Bears, walked into the Tundra and did what CJ and I said on Friday, got the loss. But, boy, did they go down swinging? Begin in this game, I thought it was going to be all the, like, Packers the entire way. Caleb Williams only had like 10 passing yards at the five-minute mark of the second quarter. But boy, he let it up.

He made some freaking plays in the fourth quarter. You know, like Caleb Williams, has he been the best quarterback I've ever seen? No. Has he played like some solid, some decent games to get his team some wins? Yeah. Like Caleb Williams right now is a quarterback that you can 100% win with. And obviously, CJ and Adam say it all the time, you know, is a quarterback that you can win because of. I'm not sure just yet.

I'm not sure just yet. But he still had a good game. Jordan Love threw a bad pick in the first half, but turned it up immediately. Jordan Love Toyota Thon was alive and well 234 yards, three touchdowns along with that pick. And both quarterbacks only yet sacks one time. All in all, at the end of the day, Packers now at the top of the NFC North Division, the bears, they get shot back down the standings. And, I mean, the way that the NFC is lining up right now, we might see an 11 and 16 missed the playoffs. That is how competitive it is right now.

So in terms of the NFC playoff race, Rams at the Packers are now, the two-season. The Bears drop down to the seven seed with the Seahawks getting a win today or today on Sunday. Bucks currently hold a four spot, but by a freaking for dear life, Panthers are right on their ass. But let's go around the table. C.J, we'll start with you. Thoughts on this game and what does it mean going down the road? well just some classic nfc north football really uh green bay packers just saying just reminded the whole world who little brother is in that division you know uh knocking the chicago bears not one not two

not three but six spots down the standings knocking them from number one to number seven packers of course jumping up to the two seed firmly in the driver's seat in the nfc north but while I will say it's a great match it was a great game for Green Bay don't celebrate too soon you got to tangle with the bears one more time this time at historic soldier field but for me a lot of it is uh Caleb Williams he keep he's really frustrating to me you know we always talk about oh can you win with Williams can you win because of them but it's just so maddening because of his horror slow starts that just kill the bears and when he starts out the game ice cold and he's sluggish

it's just not fair to the rest of the team that they have to just dig themselves out of it and who knows maybe win this game if he's not completing only 30% of his passes in like the first half he still went 19 of 35 which is not great 186 yards that's that's not great at all uh two touchdowns But then that brutal game-ending pick to Kishon Nixon, where you had all three timeouts under one minute, why are you going for the dagger? That was a horrible throw, too. Nixon had a better shot at that than Loveland did. So, yeah, these are the things I think William's going to grow out of. But before I pass the mic to Tucker Adam, Chris, you remember what we said last week about how this game determines whether or not.

not the bears are contenders or pretenders? Yes. Well, we have our answer. I feel like that we're going to be on very different wave links here. No, like, I just, but do I put them over the Packers? No, I still don't. I still don't think they're the scariest team in the NFC North. Actually, maybe Pretenders is a bit harsh, but...

I think they're... This game still raises more questions about Williams. I like their defense, like their running game. But what you get out of Williams is just so, he's a grab bag play to play, and that's going to hurt him alive in the future. What I'll say is the last play of the game I saw more of the Packers just having a better defensive game plan for that play

because the Bears ran that play once before. And Williams ended up scrambling for a fourth, on a fourth down, third, and short conversion. I forget what it was. But they ran a similar. play basically the same exact play but it was through the other side packers saw the setup called timeout talked about it and ended up forcing Williams to have to end up making a throw because he wasn't going to be able to make the first down if he ended up running it and i mean obviously the throw from

caleb williams was bad at itself so um definitely not going to disagree with you with that but i thought the way the bears fought in this game they're definitely contenders and they're they're a team that's going to be able to hang around with some of these better teams. Doc, I'll pass it off to you. Toyota Thon is in full swing. This is that time of year where all of a sudden, Jordan Love shows up and plays like he's one of the best

quarterbacks in the league, even though he'll play abysmal for the first two months. Congratulations to the Green Bay Packers. They survived beating on the Chicago. Chicago Bears and now taking the lead in the NFC North and now having control over their own destiny when it comes to that division. Congrats to them. I thought they were going to win on Wednesday afternoon.

They came out, pulled the W. There's that. Not too bad from Caleb Williams. Now, the game deciding interception is heartbreaking, but I didn't think he had a bad game. He just had a lot of unfortunate things happen. But that game ending interception, I think he'll build. on from that, but that's just one you just can't have. Unfortunate, but it is what it is.

Chicago, outside looking, not outside looking in, but they're in the wildcard spot now. I'm not sure if they'll gain the division back over unless something happens and the Packers just outright lose to someone, which I don't see happening. I think they would have to lose two games now because they have the games in hand against them. All in all, it's not very good for Chicago, but I still think they're a major problem to deal with, especially with that defense and that running game, if they can sustain those things. They can be a threat to any team in the NFC, including the Rams, who are now the first seat. But all and all, congrats to the Green Bay Packers. They look good in victory, and better look next time, Chicago.

There's always next year. Adam. I want to build off of C.J.'s point regarding Caleb Williams, and it really is a mixed bag, and I definitely do see a lot of potential there, but there's something about, do you get, did you guys notice, have you guys noticed all season long how often Caleb Williams is leaving the pocket to try and make a play? Like, it feels like almost every play he's running around. I don't remember him making a play where he was just standing there in the pocket. it's stepping up and just, you know, throwing one down the field or even just dumping one off. He's always trying to make the big play.

And you can respect that competitiveness, but I'm starting to see a pattern here with the Bears as far as quarterback development. And we've alluded to this before on this show, but I think there's not enough that's being looked into as far as the Bears being able to develop quarterbacks correctly. We saw it with Justin Fields. He wasn't able to scan the field correctly. and he made his best plays also when he was running around. It kind of ruined his development if he even was the guy to begin with.

And we're kind of seeing that with Caleb. And I think Caleb Williams is a much better player than Justin Fields was than Mitch Trubisky was before him. But we're seeing Tom Brady used to say this. And I think he said this last year. There's not enough that's being said about organizations with developing quarterbacks. and we're seeing that with Chicago. Again, I like Caleb Williams.

I think this Bears team as a whole as a playoff team looks solid. But your priority number one this early in your so-called rebuild should be developing that quarterback and making sure he becomes the elite guy. Don't sacrifice the short term. Don't sacrifice the long term for a short-term game. Maybe Caleb Williams does make some amazing highlight real plays. But he's not going to do that forever. You've got to teach him how to play the quarterback position correctly because it doesn't look good.

I will say like there's definitely a good amount of plays that Ben Johnson would like design rollout. But I still see your point. Like there are still some plays where Caleb Williams is trying to. to extend when he doesn't, when he probably doesn't need to, or maybe that's just like the play calling itself. I mean, Justin Fields, you remember that one year. He held the ball for like over three and a half seconds on average that one season. And we're seeing the same thing with Caleb Williams.

He holds the ball for way too long and tries to make the highlight real play. He's taking too many hits. He's making pretty big mistakes. I just think it's not sustainable what they're doing over there in Chicago. It's understandable. And obviously, with Chicago's past, it's very reasonable to have these doubts and whatnot. I think at the end of day, we're still also year one of Ben Johnson and trying to develop Kill Williams into the number one into quarterback.

That's the number one pick. Yeah, so next year is year three. So we will find out whether or not this kid could play probably next year. But I just don't trust Chicago. That's just one thing about quarterbacks. That's very understandable. All right. Anything else we want to get on from this game?

All right. We'll take a quick break when we come back. We'll talk about the Chiefs falling what. Am I doing it or are you doing it? I'm doing it. Okay. Chiefs fall to six and seven. That's after the break.

This is the Falmariski podcast. It may not have all. Always showed it in the staff sheet, but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. This is the Fumble Rusky podcast, Justin Tucker, C.J. Madero, Saddamay, Chris Costich.

Let's get into, well, before we went to the break, said Chiefs falling six and seven. And that's obviously one of the main storylines here. But make this more of an overarching topic of the AFC South since earlier in the day, Daniel Jones tearing his Achilles, tearing his Achilles in the 36 to 19 loss to the Jaguar. So which one do we want to touch on here first, gentlemen? Let's touch on the Chiefs first. Let's touch on the Chiefs. All right.

Chiefs falling to 6 and 7. uh 20 to 10 loss on sunny night football to the texans this was just like a defensive slug fest all around and we kind of just saw the uh chiefs more or less uh make mistakes and make plays that they would not make last year and just plays in general that are not going their way um so overall at this point at six and seven they are not making playoffs I just can't foresee them doing it at this rate. Go around the table, Adam. Start with you.

There's a couple narratives to look at when it comes to this game. As far as the Chiefs losing to the Texans, they fall below 500. I believe this is the first time this late in the season under the Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid era. And when it comes to, like, for starters, it's the question of, is the dynasty over? my answer to that would be did Patrick Mahomes die because he's 30 years old and he still has a lot of he still has a lot of football left maybe they need to retool and you'll probably still have at least a couple more years of Andy Reid but they'll be back at some in some point the most intriguing one is all non-chiefs fans and the duality as far as the way they look at Kansas City on one hand they'll say

They'll be celebrating the end of the dynasty or saying, see, they suck. And then they'll also say, see, we don't have to play them in the playoffs. Those two things can't be true at once. On one hand, you cannot say, well, see, the chiefs suck, they're done, and then be relieved that you don't have to see them in the postseason. One of those things has to be true. You have to pick one. And let's say you're a team like, and I'm going to exclude Denver because Denver is in the division. You can understand from their point of view.

They don't have to see them the formidable chiefs twice a year. That's understandable. But if you're like New England or Buffalo, would you not rather, what would you rather see? Would you rather, if you're New England, host Kansas City or host Houston? you might hate me you might hate me but i'm going to choose kansas city i'd rather take on kansas city they're out they're under they're undermanned um there's a lot of teams that i would that i would rather face face the kansas city chiefs over them and that's what i look at

as far as this chief's team if they're if they really do suck and they're done why do we care so much that we don't have to face them why do we care especially teams in the a fc playoff picture that's what i'm seeing a lot of a lot of people are one on one hand saying this team this team sucks and another on another hand saying who glad we don't have to face them it's like you you can't you can't pick both of those things and that's what i'm seeing here so there's my take cj oh my god this was a very i say this whenever they lose but this is just once again just an very unchief style game i remember watching that game sitting down and watching it

hadn't really been keeping track of a lot of the games only just on my phone i was hanging out with friends a whole day and you know i sit down really to just enjoy some sunday night football and it's 10 10 in the fourth quarter and i'm like all right when the KCBS come in, I know it's around the corner, and it just never did. You know, we always expect the chiefs to convert these four downs, a blink of an eye, but drop passes, hitting Rishi Rice right in the bread basket just for him to, to drop it? Like, what? Then Travis Kelsey granted the throw was a little behind him, but he got both his hands on the ball,

and he just said, no, Aziz al-Shayor, you have this. he was proposing to Taylor Swift. This was just bizarre. And once again, Chris, I know you talk about how the analytics say do this now. I personally say, screw the analytics. But once again, we saw the great resurgence of Eagles, Andy Reed, where he goes into the two-minute warning with zero timeout. All right.

Nolo dialing up the blitz, C.J. Stroud just gets out of the pocket, puts it over the linebackers under the safety, some beautiful ball placement, or when Houston gets into the red zone, Steve's selling out to stop the run, Woody Marks, and at one point, Darya, Agumbo Wale, just saying, hmm, how about I get a touchdown anyway? So, yeah, that, that just was weird. Also, Mahomes, this has got to be among one of his worst games as a starter. Like, what was that, like three? It is. It is his worst game as a starter. Yeah, like 30-some-od, like, QBR, three interceptions. There's 18.9.

Oh, 18. I thought, oh, I saw some of the fourth quarter. Now my, that's my bad. But that, you know, the Kelsey one wasn't really his fault. But the other two, those are not good looks, especially the one to start the fourth quarter, where they try to take the top off the Houston defense. But I got news for you. You don't do that to the Houston defense.

That's exactly why I think Adam is right in saying, I do not want to face Houston in the playoffs. I'd rather face Kansas City. That defense is terrifying. I mean, I won't put them on the same pedestal, but I have not seen a defense this formidable probably since the Legion of Boone. And as far as the Chiefs go, it's now a numbers game. You're still the 10th seed,

and I'm looking at the playoff picture right now on NFL.com, their odds are 14%. And I hear these cheese fans saying, oh, don't let us in the playoffs. We're just going to run the table to get in. Well, news flash, this is not a run the table type of team, and you still have Denver to play. But most of all, it's not enough that they run the table, and I'll end with this. It's not if they run the table. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Kansas City Chief's fate is now in the hands of other teams.

You can't just win. You need other teams to lose. and honestly it might be a little early but I'm not sure that happens Yeah Just the timeout You get me riled up about the timeouts thing man

You really do Not like an actual riled up But like Dude I don't care I know the analytics say oh it's cool to do this It's not even like I do not care for the analytics The lion does not care about the analytics Chris Well I would

It's not even the analytics for me. It's just like what difference doesn't make if, like, say, let's take last week, for example, right? They're down seven and blanking on whoever the fuck was driving in on them. But team driving down, chiefs are down by seven. Cowboys? Yeah, the Cowboys. Yeah. Cowboys up seven, they drive down.

Andy Reed is using his timeouts. Like, what difference doesn't make if he holds on to those timeouts anyway? ways because, like, Cowboys, you're just going to kick the field goal and make it a two-score game and you have no timeouts and chances for recovering an onside kick or a little to none. So, like, what's the difference of doing that compared to, like, after the two-minute warning when at that point, the game really is at, like, if we were to follow that same thing. They stopped eating the clock after. I don't know. That's just my. I'm just saying, man, like, also, but also the defense has got stiffing up, too.

Yeah. but still like we get once again that's eagles andy reed that did that and now in the big 25 we're seeing eagles andy reed results there's a correlation in my eyes but that's just me also that chief's defense was actually pretty good last night oh yeah i didn't like if i'm except for like the fourth quarter but yeah i would have placed a lot more faith in that kansas city defense if i was Andy Reid. They were not, they were, they did not have a chance in that game because of the offense, which is probably what Andy Reed isn't used to nowadays. They had a chance because of their defense. And I think they should have placed a little more faith and played a little more

of a conservative type of ball, uh, in order to help you win that game. I'll, I'll go a step further. If you want to look at any spot that is in the timeouts of Eagles, Andy Reed, it's going for it on fourth down from your own 25. Like, yeah, that's weird. You're like sitting here on a crime spot. Like,

what was that? Do you like not trust your defense that much? Which is insane. Well, Adam would argue to the contrary and Adam would be correct. Yeah, because it's a 10-10 game at that point. Like, that's all it is.

Like, if you don't make that, like I said, you're setting Houston up in like amazing territory. Like, despite the fact your defense, had still been playing? Well, I don't know, man. What are the Chiefs this season? What is this 25 season? I don't know.

Tuck, give us an answer. What are the Chiefs? They could still win out, but I'm not sure if they would get in over any other team. I could see them winning out, but if I'm Denver, I'm putting the nail in the coffin. I don't want to deal with them. Just get it over with. Put them out of their misery. I don't know what's going on with Kansas City right now, but I think it's time.

Travis Kelsey, you've had an amazing career, but I really don't want to say it because I do respect you for everything you've done in your career but put the fries in the bag bro you're cuffed you're done i i wish i didn't have to say that i say kelsey kelsey kelsey not mahomes kelsey yeah he he's just not the same anymore he doesn't have the same burst he doesn't have the same speed he doesn't get open the same way granted he can still get open but it's more due to like intellect than it is just ability now and it's obvious and then without Patrick Mahomes, it's, it's a little harder. I think most of it's just him and Patrick Mahomes having chemistry together. I hope he still finds something. But all in all,

it's time. It's just not their year this year. A lot of injuries, a lot of situations, which she writes in his situation, them starting golf in the hole, trying to climb them out of it. Denver looking as good as they do. Just, oh, no, it's, been a bad year both offensively. The defense has been good. However, the offense hasn't been able to be what we're used to out of the offense. So all in all, as much as I want to take enjoyment out of seeing Kansas City, like, lose and be missing the playoffs. It's just, it's a matter, of course. I think they'll replenish the next year and be better than what they are. And then we'll be like, oh, here comes Kansas City again. But it's just not their year this year.

and it's not they're not the only team but we'll get to them yeah and uh like if the chief's dynasty always gets compared to the past dynasty now if you look at the past dynasty there were plenty of years that wasn't there here either uh so who knows uh i mean and you know you mentioned kelsey he took a big hit at the end of the game to texans in general this is my segue into the afc south but uh the texans in general we're just beating and battering the chiefs all night long they were kicking the shit out of them uh and well when you couple in the facts with daniel jones tearing his achilles uh which doing that at a 36 and 19 loss to the jaguars well asy south is pretty wide open i say pretty wide open still uh chris huh oh sorry i thought

we were going to do i won't i thought you were going to say if we had any more thoughts because there was one more thing about the afc west that i just wanted to like bring our real group. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, please. I'm sure you all know this, but for those of you listening at home who don't, it is now mathematically impossible for the Kansas City Chiefs to win the AFC West. First time since 2015 where they're not gonna. Obviously, like the dynasty's not dead, but this is, this is just not a good look. At least in this season. I did see that as well. I can't believe I forgot that. That's like probably the biggest storyline in terms of, the chiefs falling to the 6 and 7 record. All right. Sorry. I was going to say we kind of danced around that,

kind of in the sense where we were implying that their season is practically over. I mean, they felt a little 500. And I mean, we had it in the back of our heads. Just no one said it. It's surreal to say, though, like say it out loud. That feels weird. Yeah. I was more saying just like the playoffs,

but like that's more just the division itself. And I know we're about to move on to the AFC South, but just one more point as far as, as far as the AFC playoff picture in general, three out of the big four as far as, you know, your elite quarterbacks in the AFC, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, all out of the playoffs as of right now. And I mean, Josh Allen's barely in it. They're going to make it, but down year, this is such a, are we almost kind of seeing a seismic shift in the AFC playoff picture where you're kind of moving as far as, I mean, maybe they end up retooling and they're just in a little lull, but doesn't this kind of present sort of a calm before the storm where you have these really good teams who probably wouldn't be in contention in other years, kind of have a mini opportunity to really, you know, do something where they wouldn't be able to in other years? And I'm referring to Denver and Jacksonville and Houston. Like, how many other years would these teams and other years be championship contenders? Well, I mean, if we're going to go based off of 2017, it's once every eight years.

But, yeah, no, makes sense. I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I'm hit with what you're thrown out there. Appreciate it, buddy. I got you, bro. We want to respond to that, anyone? All right. Yeah.

Obviously, like, if we're talking, like, just this grouping, it definitely is very, very weird, especially considering we did. I mean, Patriots. We all thought that it was going to probably be a few years, not even this year. A lot of people are trying to say it's over. like the their win these players these teams windows are closed yeah their quarterbacks are in their primes right now so it's like as long as you have the quarterback and the coach which some of them don't but as long as you have the quarterback and kind of the coach then it's going to take two seconds to rebuild so like yeah you're about you're going to be back it's just a matter of time

you've figured out the most crucial spot on a football team the quarterback figure out the rest. Yep. All right, AFC South. So Daniel Jones, he tears his Achilles, 3619 loss to the Jaguars.

Jaguars look great. They're at the top of the AFC South. And if it really wasn't them blowing a lead to David Mills, what, like last month, whatever it was, then this is like the Jaguars division to lose, right? But Texans,

a couple of them with the, and I'll say, I'll call it a defensive dominating game by the Texans since they only let up 10 points. And they are some hard hitting mother efforts out there, too. But obviously, looking at more at the Colts, though, you look at this injury for Daniel Jones. You look at how it's been going in the last few weeks. They started 7 and 1 and have since gone 1 in 4. you trade you set the Colts essentially went all in on this season on this Daniel Jones season trading for sauce Gardner

now is basically their their big move that was their big move to try to get them to elevate an extra level sauce Gardner goes down Daniel Jones out for the rest of the for now a calendar year unfortunate and the Colts are in deep, deep trouble. They got Riley Leonard and flying into Indianapolis as of Monday, December 8th, which is the day that we're recording, Philip Rivers flying into Indianapolis. So Lord knows what the hell is going to happen, but thoughts from you guys, Tuck, we'll start with you.

It started off so well for the Indianapolis. those Colts. It started so well, and then they ran into a few hiccups. They ran into the chiefs. They lost that. And then all of a sudden, a little bit of good news came through. They beat Atlanta, and then all of a sudden, they have Sauce Gardner. And I'm like, oh, they're really going for it this year. This could be their one and only chance at winning the Super Bowl or winning the AFC. I thought they were going to have the division in hand. And then all of a sudden, here comes Jacksonville, and all of a sudden, here comes the Colts stumbling down. All of a sudden, Jacksonville versus the Colts, Division Crown on the line.

Well, Division Crown standings on the line. They have control over their destiny. Then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones goes down, and then it just goes from bad to worse when Jacksonville puts on the gas and they just do not stop. They win handily because they don't have good quarterback playing in Indianapolis now that Daniel Jones is gone. and it's it's just been bad they're they're still a playoff team but man if they don't find something at quarterback this season might be over for them and it's unfortunate because they

started off so well they started off 7-1 but now they've lost what four of their last five or three of their last four hot take tuck their season is over I mean they're already out of the playoffs technically they're in the eight spot which means they're on the outside Then the seventh. They're in the eighth. The Colts? Yeah, Houston overtook them. Justin, Justin.

I am looking at the NFL playoff picture on NFL.com right now, and I can tell you, with my own eyes, unless they have changed logos, the Indianapolis Colts are officially on the outside looking in at the eighth seed. Even if the Chargers end up losing this game, which by the time we're recording right now, 333 left in this game, It's very much possible. Maybe. But now that they're outside looking at, I don't, if I thought they were still in.

I thought they were still in my fault. But now that they're on the outside looking in, it could go very downhill very quickly for them. If they don't have confident quarterback play, that means teams are just going to stack the box with eight and then try to say, make Jonathan Taylor beat us, which he can't. And then once that happens, they can't score anything. oh no yeah i could see them losing out if they're not careful adam looks like he's got something yeah if i could take my mic time yeah sure uh because i holy crap if you think the quarterback situation is bad just wait till you hear the schedule they have coming up so they have they have Seattle right away right away they have

Seattle the 10 and three Seattle Seahawks is that on the road and you have the 49er When Seahawks is on the road, yeah. Oh, goodness. 49ers, they're hosting, but I mean, even if you have 44-year-old Philip Rivers, then you have the Jaguars,

who you are hosting, but they still blew your doors out off this past weekend. Then you have the Texans. You may not win another game the rest of the season, if you're the Colts. Like you, this is, this looks brutal. The other team,

the other teams in your division, the Jaguars and the Texans are going the opposite direction of you in a bad way, bad way for the Colts, that is. I mean, I could legitimately see either one of Jacksonville or Houston winning this division, but I just, I don't know if I see a path where the Colts even make the playoffs, which is insane considering we were thinking just a few weeks ago that this Colts team would end up with a high playoff seed. We thought between New England, Denver, and Indianapolis, who gets the one seed? Well, the Colts just fell off a cliff.

And like, capital C, cliff, it was insane. They're already out of it. They're not just in contention for the ones, like out of contention for the one seed. They're completely out. Their schedule looks terrible. Their quarterback just lost both of his legs. It's over. I think this is it.

they have to make the playoffs from the standpoint of they don't have a first round draft pick next year because of the sauce gardener trade they have i forgot how much they gave up there they gave up two first round picks for that they need to get they need to make the playoffs to make it seem okay at least we made the playoffs they can't afford to miss out and they wanted daniel jones back by the way they there were reports by i believe it was adam shepter at Ian Rappaport that they were interested in bringing him back to be their quarterback going forward. They thought he was their, their version of Sam Darnold. I mean, both his legs blown. And listen, I'm just using logic here. I'm no doctor. But just by logic, don't you think if you

have him playing with a fractured fibula on one leg, do you not think that he might be overcompensating with the other leg to the point where it puts on extra stress? and then maybe that's where his Achilles gets blown? Do you not think that there's going to be some sort of overcompensation when you're playing on one leg? Which, well, I would say it depends on the leg here in question. No, it would. I mean, you would literally be favoring one leg. And even if he wasn't, you're still playing on a fractured fibule.

You weren't going to do jack and or shit regardless. Well, I'm saying like if we're, because in the case of Daniel Jones's fractured, actual fibula, it's the way that actually is more like a high ankle sprain compared to him not actually being able to walk, which besides the point, having to play on a high ankle sprain isn't very good in its own right. But I was more saying, which leg did he tear his Achilles, if anyone knows? Right, I think. Because if it is his right, then that would make sense to Adam's point of overcompensating because the right foot would be his back foot creating more weight trying to push off. I mean, either way, he's going to be overcompensating in some way,

shape, or form. I know each leg, when it comes to playing quarterback, each leg has sort of a different use. But, I mean, you have to, you need to use your front foot to step into your throw. You can't just step on, throw on your back foot off your back foot. You also need to sort of anchor off that back leg and kind of be able to push your weight from one side to the other um so that i mean either way you're you can't play on one leg like it's you're going to be overcompensating once one in some way shape or form right i mean i don't know i mean there have definitely been quarterbacks that have played on one leg well you've played quarterback so you tell me if i'm wrong you know you know who played on one leg phil fucking rivers

Yeah, and look at where that got him. Well, I mean, look at the connection. Let's tear his ACL and run in there. It's like, this is how you do it. Yeah. Oh, geez. Wait, CJ, did we get to you already or no? No.

Get to you. Right leg. Right, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't the right leg. But regardless, it doesn't matter. You were already. one and three in your last four going into this game. And honestly, I still don't think they would have won even with Daniel Jones.

But it's just, the warnings, like, don't get me wrong, is the season essentially officially over now that old Danny Durbs has been put out to Pascher for the remainder of this year? Yes. But let's not pretend, oh, talk, you can shake your head at me all you want, but let's not pretend that there wasn't, huh? They can't. saying i'm not saying it isn't i'm saying like they can't see it like that because of the future

and the present in front for that look i'm glad that good that's acting for them i'm happy for them that says real nice but let me explain something to you funny man i happen to believe that the warning signs no i don't believe i know this the warning signs were already there the alarms were blaring well before, you know, old Danny Durbs ruptured his Achilles. That sucks. And that I really do hope he gets well. But, but I mean, you weren't going to, I mean, I know, if Davis Mills beat you, then I don't know, you wouldn't know business beating the Texans. The Jaguars are riding the hot hand right now. And as for the Colts, one sauce Gardner went down that was concerning. Daniel Jones already injured, and now he's done for the year. If it wasn't already

over before, it's really over now. That just sucks for them. It really does. I'll put on my objective hat here and tell you outright, it's just really unfortunate. They went all in on this year, and, you know, to use a poker term, you know, they went all in and now, and they're leaving the table with no money. That's really what it is. And honestly, even if they, you know, re-signed Daniel Jones and he comes back after his whole fibula thing in one leg and now an Achilles thing in the other, what assurances do you have that he's going to be the same? Also, I'd like to bring up the point that this is one of the worst kind of injuries, not just an Achilles, but a late season injury. And you all know this. We've been watching football for a long time.

When these injuries happen this late in a season, it's almost a slam dunk that they're going to miss the beginning part of the next year. So the Colts, dare I say, they're still kind of rudderless? Like, where do you go? Like, where do you go from here? You don't know if Daniel Jones, if he was the guy, what assurances do you have these still going to be? like there are so many question marks like or were they actually good were they actually going to do anything like they were imploding before this just they have so many questions and one off season is not enough time to answer them i'll go a step further like never mind the start of next year he's done for the entirety of next year like more likely than not yeah yeah like plus he pulls some weird Kobe Bryant comeback which uh no no no I mean, you could look at literally Rogers and Kirk Cousins and those two quarterbacks the year after they came back from their Achilles' injury were dog shit. Absolutely dog shit.

All right. Let's move on. We'll take a quick break when we come back. We'll talk about the AFC North and tuck can be depressed. Depression and obsession. That's a song. This is the Fulmerich podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet,

but you can see him making throws when he needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six or seven spot. He's an elite wide receiver as a rookie. Truly a lose-lose scenario for both sides. Welcome back to the Fulburwski podcast. Let's get into the AFC North. Let's just start with, I was thinking about where we should start.

Should we start with the game that didn't really matter? in terms of the Bill's Bengals game, or should we start with Tuck? Start with the Bengals. Okay, so we'll start with the game. That doesn't matter. Really, all this was, was the Bengals breaking their eight-game winning streak with Joe Burroughs, their starting quarterback.

That's basically all I saw this as. Besides, like, the first half, I thought that the Bengals were going to run the freaking table. They had me in the first half, but then, you. had two deflected interceptions bills take them back or take one back to the house uh they later convert on the second one and all in all josh allen did his thing that's they got 30 they outscored the bengal's offense that's really all they did uh and yeah all right uh adam let's start with you yeah so

In the aggregate, Joe Burrow blew this game. It's just plain and simple. They had the game, and he threw a pick six to blow the lead. They had a very good chance to score more points and step on the bill's throats and really take control of this game late. But he threw a pick six. There's just no way around it. I mean, he threw that one right at him, though. That was not deflected at the line.

line. The second one, rather the first one was not a, that was not deflected. That was straight at. I'd have to watch back. Maybe again, the two mixed up. It's like, it looks like. Both of them were deflected. That was a ball that he probably should have. That ball, the first one looks like a ball that he should have, like, he had the right idea, but he, he should have thrown it as a dart, like, throw it fast, but he kind of, kind of lobbed it. And he couldn't get it straight through the hands of the defender and he was able to grab it and there was nobody who was going to get him at that point. The second one I get, yeah, that was knocked around and then picked, but he still threw it too low. So I can't completely give him the free pass for that. But he threw two picks in a

very short amount of time. So at the same time, two things can be true at once, which is what brings me to my point, which is that the Bengals defense is still selling this team. this Bengals team looks so fun to watch. And you just, you just, that was the classic Bengals experience, the Joe Burrow Bengals. It's where you get, you start to get a little invested. And then one of two things happen, either the defense blows it or Burrow gets hurt. One of those things happened. Thank God the other didn't.

But this Bengals team is so good for the NFL right now. They're fun to watch. They're likable for the most part. know the quarterback is. And if the defense could just not get, if it could just get out of its own way, get a stop. I don't know what else to say about that. And the solution to that really goes up to the top because they, they decided to bring back all three of their big three guys on the offense, on, on the offense. When you really had no business bringing back T. Higgins, all of that money that you spent on Higgins could have been spent.

on the defense and you become much more balanced of a team in any sort of balance that you get even if it's a middling defense you're probably in contention but no let's just let's pay both wide receiver ones for no freaking reason at all and of course you got him hurt again too earlier this year but adam but adam did you not love the t higgins catches that he was making Like, those catchers were amazing. Oh, my God. And also, they were. I saw your text in the group chat and he was making some great, great plays.

But he also dropped a couple if you remember that. But listen, Jamar Chase could have made those two. All you need is one elite target. You really just need one. If I might just point out, when the chiefs traded away Travis, Kelsey. They were still an elite offense. Tyree Kill. They were still an elite offense because they had Travis Kelsey. All they needed was a number two. T. Higgins isn't a number two. He's a number one. And they paid him

like he was a one. When they still had Jamar Chase, who they also paid like he was a one. So what the hell are we doing here? You have no defense. Spend on that side of the ball. The NFL is so much more fun when the Bengals are in it. It just is. The AFC North. They have some of the better rivalries out there. Them between them and the Ravens, the Steelers are always in it. With Joe Burrow in the mix, it's so much fun. And they're doing everything in their power to ruin Joe Burroughs career and just waste it away. He's so likable.

He's so fun to watch. And they're ruining it. And yes, he did technically give the game away. But that game shouldn't have been in a position where he could have given it away. because there were so many points that the Bengals scored where that should have just put the game away. But they just kept up. They could not stop Josh Allen,

which elite quarterback too. But it's gone. Yeah. I'm going to come to the defense's defense and they did get turnovers. That did happen. They did try. That is true. That is true.

Are you sure that wasn't James Cook, though? Like, he almost gave it away. He almost gave it away once. And then he did give it away the second time. Doesn't matter. They still got turnovers for that offense. They did attempt to stop them. And the reason the defense is so bad is because Joe Burrow needed to have his two weapons.

That's on him. That's on him as well, just as much as the front office. Counterpoint, though. There were many times during the Patriots dynasty that Tom Brady wanted new weapons. He wanted Antonio Brown so bad. He went out kicking and screaming wanting Antonio Brown. And he got him. He eventually got him, but they eventually released him after one game after he decided to be a not good person off the field.

There were so many times throughout, there were so many times throughout the Brady Belichick dynasty that Brady wanted weapons. And to Belichick's credit, you know what he did? He did this most of the time. because you really, as long as you have the quarterback and you have some form of weapons on that side of the ball, you don't need it. You still have a budget that you have to allocate to the defense. And that's how the Patriots were able to really churn out those championship teams. The thing with the Bengals is they listened to Joe Burrow.

Just because I believe Joe Burrow is a great elite quarterback doesn't mean that I believe that he, He has the, he knows what's best for the team. I believe Tom Brady was one of the greatest, it is the greatest quarterback of all time. Doesn't mean he made the best choices. So they shouldn't have listened to him in a long-winded sense. But they did, and now they're stuck like this. I don't feel bad for Cincinnati at all.

They knew the situation they were getting into. Oh, you're at Ravens fan, Tom. Not only that, it's just basic common sense. It's just. Tom, Adams, I just would like. like to point out, I want to say thank you. This is a point that I have said for now like a season and a half. Thank you. I have literally said, I think Joe Burroughs a great quarterback, but he has to go from being a great quarterback to being an adult. And if you remember,

from that first offseason after his rookie year, we saw the glimpses of him drooling over the dangly, shiny object in front of him instead of preparing the team. See, the Bengals wanted to shore up the offensive line and draft Penae Sewell out of Oregon. Burrow threw a tantrum to get his buddy Jamar Chase. And what happens? They go to the Super Bowl. We're on the final play. Chase is wide open and Joe Burrow gets piled driven into the ground by Aaron Donald because they have no offensive line.

Burrow did it again when he wants Chase to be paid and with T. Higgins, where now you have no defense. And also, Adam, you are correct when you say it's up to the team, even if Joe Burrow was publicly emasculating them to say, for the love of God, do you not value offensive line or defense? Well, we know the answer to that. The answer to that's apparently no. But, yeah, as far as the game goes, this was winnable. Josh Allen's very good quarterback. But, hey, once again, who needs defense when you're Joe Burrow, I guess, is probably what Joe Burrow says. But yeah, once again, I've said it before, and I'm glad that we're all on the same page now.

Maybe Chris is, and I'd like to think he is. He hasn't said his piece yet. But literally, this, what we are seeing is the culmination of all of Joe Burroughs desires. He's publicly pounding the table to get his buddies paid. He prioritizes flash over substance. He wanted them to draft chase instead of, you know, shoring up the offensive line that got you hurt your rookie year. And at this point, no, I don't feel bad. Is the league more fun with the Bengals are good?

Yes. But at this point, you reap what you sow and be it Zach Taylor or the GM whose name escapes me, someone there and the coaching staff of the front office has to grow some balls and save Burrow from himself. I still feel bad for Burrow. He doesn't know what he's doing. I see both like I will always be an advocate for players trying to get the best. for themselves and whatnot, but I also am in the same boat as you guys. Like in this being the case, like you also shoot yourself and like grab the bag,

make as much fucking money as possible, but also know that you're going to be hindering your chances. That's, that's kind of how I look at it. That's basically all I got for that. I mean, yeah. Eagles Chargers, 1919 with three seconds. seconds left. I would assume the Eagles are about a need out. I will, as mentioned, we'll save that for later.

All right. Tuck, Ravens. Is this safe to say that this is the last, we'll call it, how long was the win streak? Like, it wasn't that long, but like five games? It was five games to get us, so six and five, and then we've lost two straight. So would you say that these last two games? games have really just been the culmination of this five-game winning streak, but now shown in the lost column?

Yes and no. There's plenty. There's good, but the bad is finally showing out. Because Lamar was really bad. Yes and no. I think he's better than what the play showed. But again, that's the frustrating part. I know some of it is on Lamar, but again, he's not healthy and he hasn't been practicing. I think some of it is just due to not having a lot of reps and he's just missing the timing of the throws and sometimes it just gets away from him. So you're saying that Lamar missing one practice a week has been affecting them?

Yes, at minimum one practice a week has been affecting the Ravens' offense and more specifically himself when it comes to chemistry with the Ravens wide receivers. I also would like to say, I want my right guard gone. I need him gone. yesterday. If you guys don't know how bad it is, we can't get rid of him because our other

right guard, Ben Cleveland, just got put on the NFL suspension list for illegal substances. I can't get rid of this guy. He is literally stuck at that position and I can't move him. You should have let Patrick McCari walk, bro. You think I don't know that now? In hindsight, I wouldn't let him walk. But again, we had Vorhees. We wanted to move him to right guard. But again, I digress. I really miss him now, considering what I'm dealing with with Daniel File Layla. I've known him for a while. I didn't think he was that bad at right tackle. He wasn't this bad last year. But dear God, what is going on? I remember, I'm watching this game, and there's just been too many instances where Benton, number 95, is like destroying him at that position. he one play in particular it was like a six-yard game past isaiah likely he throws the

lamar jackson has to throw the ball off his back foot to complete passes because daniel filet is so ass at that position right now i cannot believe we can and john harborough says well my our old line actually played very well fuck you that's what i'm i can't believe he said that on national television and what a straight face, no less. I can't stand Daniel File-Lay-Lay. Angie Vorgies, I can only do but so much with him. He's average. Daniel-Fi-Lel-Lay, I need him gone

because he'll get Lamar Jackson, like, injured, like out of the game, gone. If only Lamar Jackson could have some, you know, suit of stability with his line, I think he could get healthier. Unfortunately, that'll never happen with my right guard, which means his play will continue to suffer. and will be in this perpetual motion of, like, he'll make some plays here,

but he'll miss some plays there. It's like 50-50 with him. Like, he'll make a spectacular play, and then when another play tends to happen, he might overthrow Zay Flowers. He might underthrow Derek Henry, things of that nature. And it's just so damn annoying watching this offense play, because you know what they're capable of doing.

They're just not doing it right now. The Steelers were not that good yesterday. them look like world beaters, but they were not that good yesterday. But it just pisses me off, just watching the Ravens, because you know how good they can be, but they're playing like ass. And I would, I just wish they were just so bad that I didn't care, but they're not that bad. But no, I have to care because they are good enough to win the rest of these games.

But I know, like, they'll get me close enough to wanting to be invested, but then they'll losing in the end and that'll make me annoyed. I know we had bad calls yesterday. I know the refs weren't particularly good yesterday, considering I don't even know what a catch is in the NFL is anymore. Can any of you tell me what it catches in the NFL? I'm being legit honest because I'm concerned what this is. I thought Isaiah likely had a touchdown. Apparently not. I don't know what a catch is. But overall, the Ravens deserve the loss that we had yesterday. We deserve to get beat by the Steelers if we somehow went out we can still win the division i have no hope i'm in misery i didn't fix the little prompt that's his ravens fan i'm depressed i'm miserable i can't

stand watching my team right now but i'll continue to watch i'll continue to be disappointed i'll continue to be in misery but all and all it's just damn and then we got to face cincinnati who just kicked our ass on thanksgiving uh uh All right, one word, one word, Tuck. Do the Ravens win the division, yes or now? They would do something like won the division, too. CJ, that's a bad thing. Let's pass it off to you.

Thoughts, I mean, taking everything that Tuck just said and led you respond to it. Well, first, Tuck. I want to say, I changed your little tagline there. You're welcome. I see it. Thank you. Of course. No, any time.

Friends help each other. So, as for me, I was watching this game of Buffalo Wild Wings and some of my friends. And wouldn't you know it? Oh, hey, it's just me. Hi, me. Wouldn't you know it? I look up and it's 20 to 9. And I'm like, oh, well, wow, peak ravening is happening right here, boys and girls.

And then do you know what I see? The ravens fight and claw their way back into the game. And I say to myself, oh, hey, well, you know, that's just Mike Tomlin cycle. He's going to blow it. Then I see one of the most egregious repping decisions I have seen in my 23 years on this planet. But we'll probably all address that later, so I won't belabor the point. But Ravens fans, Ravens Media, Ravens front office personnel, can we fire John Harbaugh, please and thank you? I mean, I'm not even a Ravens fan.

And I'll pound the table for this hack to get, you know, chucked right into the Chesape. Because let me tell you something, my fellow Americans. I'm so tired of this guy. And like Tuck said, you know, going out there saying, oh, you know, it was a good game. Offensive line played well. You know, just didn't go how we want. He's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

That is how bad this is. That is how bad this is looking. And as for the Steelers, oh, what? You think you won and you're good? Newsflash, you are the weakest division winner of everybody in the playoff picture. I would take Jacksonville over you. I would take, and sure as shit, I'd take New England and Denver over you. And honestly, I would take the bills over you, and I'd probably take the Chargers and Texans as well. Yeah, I'm at seven and six of being the four seen.

Good gravy. And one more thing. I do believe at the end of this season, before I hand it off probably to Adam, I believe that either Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh gets fired at the end of this season. That's not necessarily something I want. It's not a want, but it is something I believe. Whoever between the two misses the playoffs, I think gets canned. I like it, Adam. Yeah, the Steelers may be winning this division so far, but this division has been so bad.

The Steelers are really, what a paper team they were earlier this year, huh? You had an aging Aaron Rogers. You had a defense that looked good on paper, but it fell apart fast. I'm going to have the Ravens winning this division. I mean, yeah, they... No, please. Why? Well, I don't want to win the draft pick.

You want to draft pick. I mean, it doesn't matter at this point. At this point, I don't want to win the division. I know as a Ravens fan, that's hard for me to say I would like to win the division. But if we made the playoffs, I'm not sure who we beat. Like, I'm serious. But I'm not dealing with what we want to happen. I'm dealing with what will happen.

And I'm telling you, the Steelers are imploding. Their quarterback is playing with one hand. And I know Lamar isn't healthy himself. but I trust the the 20 the what 28 29 20 yeah the 28 year old quarterback who is in his prime over the the 39 year old guy who's at the point where he's he's cooked he's done I mean I don't know Rogers also had two under 84 yards and two touchdowns 20s against the Ravens he had a damage to well yeah but that's that's that's that's that's statistic I mean, give it the eye test.

The guy is just gone. Like, I, I at least thought that his, his arm talent was still there. He could still sling it around. But now that he has this broken, now that he has this broken arm, I mean, you can't even do, I don't even know if he can do that. I mean, I, I, I'll agree with you in terms of like the entirety of the season, but I felt like that he looked a little bit like his old self this, uh, on Sunday, not saying like he was back to Prime Rogers,

but there was like little flashes here and there, nothing crazy. I mean, every dog has his day, but I'm just at a point where it's the, the AFC North, and I'm starting to get concerned about the future of this division. We just got done talking about another one, another one of those teams in the last segment,

but there's really not much of a future in this division. There's the, there's the Ravens who I'm sure will retool, and they're going to get better. But outside of that, the Bengals can't get out of their own way. The Browns are dinking around with two rookie quarterbacks over there. And the Steelers can't seem to even want to get out of the shadow of mediocrity. So I am, this used to be one of the better divisions in all of football. Like he was must-see TV.

And I remember the days where refs had to, the league had to warn, preeminently worn, both teams in any division match between these two saying watch it and then there would be fights anyways these dirty hits and it would be it would get rough they were legitimate division rivals it was much must see tv and now we're getting to a point where it's just it's a nothing burger i mean even for even for the even for fans of the the teams in this division who cares who wins this division you're not going anywhere and you're probably things are probably going to get worse for you before they get better and you're able to retool and get you know get back to championship contention

it's it's it really is it's getting sad the way that this uh this division has fallen off in recent years i can i can definitely concur with that that's for sure a fc north has been slowly a dumpster fire that is not your opinion that is a fact Yeah, it is. Anything else that we want to touch on from this game. Well, Adam and CJ, yes or no question, will the Ravens win the division? Yeah, Ravens are taking it. All right, Cigai.

Off the top of my head, I am tilting, tilting towards Pittsburgh because I saw their remaining schedules and Pittsburgh schedules just a little friendlier. But Ravens definitely have a higher ceiling. Oh, and before we go, let's rip the Band-Aid off. Was that a catch? I didn't even see it. Oh, are you saying that? Raven, Isaiah likely.

Was that a catch? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he took three steps. They said he took two and then they lost the phone. He's making a football play. I thought he was making a football action when he's extinct the ball away. Yeah, that's a football play. Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.

There's a term called vaguely specific, specific. specifically vague. That describes the NFL's catch policy. It's literally 2025. It's the big 25 and we still don't know what a catch is. The league, I know I say this every time it happens, but the league genuinely has to do something because every time they try some tom foolery like this, it's just going to emboldened the tinfoil hat wearers who say, oh, they keep it this way so that they could decide on the fly for whatever Vegas wants. All I'm saying NFL is that you're not convincing me that it's not the I will leave that there. And for what it's worth, yes, it's a catch.

I know the announcers were like, oh, you need three steps for a football move. You catch the ball. You have to take three steps. Then it's good. Here's my comeback. Okay, it's then by your logic, every single toe tap catch or toe drag swag, as NFL network calls it, is incomplete by your own logic. Good job.

Yeah. All right. I just don't get it. But that's not the reason. Literally, no one does. It does. Like, it has been a problem forever. And I think we're all in agreement that's a catch.

Yeah. All right. Let's step aside for a quick break. And we'll talk about the Eagles Chargers game. They're still going here in overtime. But we'll just still give our opinions and then live reactions to the winner. This is the Fulmariski podcast. It may not have always showed it in the stat sheet, but you can see him making throws when he

needs to make the throws. Back-to-back games where he has three touchdowns. Someone's got to get that six. Back here for the Fumbruski podcast, fourth down and four for the Eagles with 3.23 to go in O.T. This is essentially the game right here. Live reactions to the ending. Oh, geez. What?

That's what I was. Yeah, they were able to draw number 98 of the charges offside. There's a one. Imagine we get another tie. Oh, Raven's legend, Adafé O.A, by the way. Shout out, Tuck. That ain't no. Got the offside.

I don't understand. Was he a first round? Yes, in 2021. Talk about the game in its entirety. I mean, both teams have looked terrible up to this point. G.

Jalen Hertz is three interceptions. I can't consider him top 10 anymore. That's just me. Like, I'll give you top 15, but he's 15. I just can't do it with him anymore. Sure, he can be a guy that performs at his best in the playoffs,

but goodness gracious, man. But you got to get there first. Yeah, you got to get there, but Nick Foles also got there. Like, he also performed at an extremely elite level in the Super Bowl. So, all right, first in 10, drops it off, Goddard. But in terms of this game, I am still, like, still very not confident in the Chargers, more or less their defense, maybe, their offense. I mean, Eagles secondary has been great.

The run defense has been fine besides last week. Eagles, I don't, I think less of them as prior to how I did coming into this game. No Jalen Carter either for this game. No Jalen Carter. The run defense took a hit. Oh. Second and seven. Harts to throw.

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. First down. Got her. First down. Adam, thought so far on this game. I mean, what's he even made to the chart? Like, we know the Chargers are banged up,

but Eagles are obviously probably going to be the main story here. Jesus Christ, Tuck. Talks ahead of us for those watching YouTube. Probably the biggest nothing burger. Oh, oh, oh, hey. Why did he do that? That is game. The Chargers win.

Oh, my God. He's top 20. Top 20. He's top 20 is number 20. Four interception game. Four interception game. Four interceptions. Five turnovers.

Okay. You cannot convince me. Guys, people are listening to us here. Okay. So. They wanted a lot of reaction. We're giving it to them. Oh, my God.

This is. Adam, I know. Dalyl hurts. 20th best quarterback in the league? I mean, bro, you went from top 10 to top 20 in one night. Yeah, I am. Bro is like, yeah, this is it. Yeah, listen.

I would you even try that. I can't do it with him anymore. I can't. Jalen Hertz is having a really bad year. This is one of his worst years that he has had to date. But I think here's my problem with Jalen Hertz. Now that we're on him, it's that people go to such extremes year to year on Jalen hurts at one point he's a really good quarterback this offense is elite you know they they're beating

patrick mohomes and the chiefs in the super bowl they're winning a championship the year before that they're saying yeah he ain't that good he's just he's only winning because of the tush push and that elite offensive line in the team around him they won 11 and 6 the year before that they went to a super bowl holy crap this kid this kid is elite and now we're go we're right bet we go to extremes can we find some sort of medium here i it's i understand he's had as he's had offensive coordinators in as many years as he's played but we need to find we need to let calmer heads prevail here because uh listen i hate to be the the jalen hertz defender here but the kids been pretty damn good throughout his career and in the aggregate he has been

very good he's had he's had some highs and lows but I think he's going to be back eventually. This is, again, just like we have mentioned about Patrick Mahomes, about Josh Allen, about Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, they're all having down years. But we all collectively agree that eventually some way, somehow, they're going to have, things are going to get better. Why can't we say that about Jalen Hertz?

Because he's still, he's still been a good quarterback. He won you a Super Bowl. Not just anyone can win Super Bowls, let alone against one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And also, two years prior to that, also dance with Patrick Mahomes and only losing a one-score game, a game where you could argue they probably should have won. And he almost single-handedly helps them win that game. He has what, a 7-to-1 touchdown interception ratio in Super Bowls? That doesn't just happen.

Let alone, again, let alone against the Chiefs. like the baddest bully on the block you danced with and we're just forgetting that all of a sudden and we forgot it the year before we forgot it the year prior when it you know right after they he went to his first Super Bowl I'm just saying he's still a winner and I don't know what it I don't know how you go how I don't know how he goes to these extremes because I don't know how you can like they had such a great offense and now it's and now it just looks so stagnant I just don't get it but I also I refuse to go to these extremes where on one hand like literally just five minutes ago we were literally five minutes ago we were talking about him as a top 10 quarterback in this

league now it's like well I don't know I was saying I can't see him as a top 10 quarterback in this league he went top 15 at most throughout the game and then after that fourth pick he said Look, I'll say I overreacted. There are definitely, like, not 17 other quarterbacks that I would take over Jalen Hertz. I will say that. But in terms of, like, I think two things can be true at once. But when you look at Jalen Hertz, the extremes through the regular season are so insane. But, like, yeah, give him credit.

He shows up when it matters most in the Super Bowl and playoffs. But Nick Fulst did the same exact thing. He wasn't great during the regular season. season, but he's a Super Bowl MVP in his own right. So it's not discrediting your point, but I just can't put them in that fact, like, it's hard for me to really put them into that fact, I guess, but it's like, then it's so hard because now you guys are trying to talk me back into putting them back into the top 10 all of a sudden.

So for those reasons, obviously. I'm just like, if you're, if you're Philly, how do you get off the roller coaster? Because you go from going to a Super Bowl and nearly winning to being one and done in the playoffs after going 11, what, 11 and 0 to start the season, or 9 and 0, 10 and 0, something like that. I think it was 9 and 0 to start the season, finish 11 and 6, one and done by a lesser team. Then you go, you, you, you barnstorm your way through the very next season in 2024 and you blow the doors off of the same team you lost to two years prior. and now you're back to where you were in 2023, where you just, like, you're winning games, but you don't look good and you're looking worse as the season goes on. Just something, how do you get off the roller coaster? I understand that you have these such great offenses to the point where you lose your offensive coordinators, but how do you keep them?

Like, what do we do? Can you find somebody a replacement who's, you know, competent? how do we fix this if you're the eagles and you it may be too late because you're going to have a lot of star talent that's going to ask to be out of here everyone's starting to age they're all they're everyone's going to start asking for more money or get frustrated they're not getting the ball too much no names and they're all going to leave you're going to lose some players and maybe too late but i don't i don't know how do you figure this out because we're at a point where the lows are way too low.

And weirdly enough, the highs are too high because you're losing your superstar coordinators. I don't get it. Yeah. That's just the part of the league. If you play at a high level, people are going to want their coordinators as head coaches. That's just the way it goes.

Unfortunate as it is, Jalen Hurts just so happens to be the victim. of it repeatedly because these two coordinators went to Super Bowls. But it shouldn't go to such extremes, though. Like, I don't know, like, how do you not, how do you fail to replace your last coordinator with a good one after you just had a good one? And then you, you do replace him with the bad one with the good one. You lose the bad one, or rather, you lose the good one, and then you get a bad one again.

What do you want them to do? I mean, that's literally not even a good one. Dylan Hurts or anything. That's just how it's been. That is literally just how it's been. I mean, Chris invoked Nick Foles. I could take you back to that Super Bowl. Doug Peterson lost Frank Reich as OC.

And they were not the same next year. Even when they had Carson Wendz, who was coming off an MVP caliber year, he did not look the same. Nick Fulz and he looked the same come the playoffs. And the Saints ended up taking him behind the barn and putting one in the back of their head in the playoffs. And that's just what keeps happening. It sucks, but I'm just going to say it. Siriani hurts. They're just coordinator dependent. And I say this every offseason. Coordinators are such an underrated part of the game. People do not give them

their flowers. I mean, the great ones get their flowers, but it just sucks for Hertz and he's got a new one every year. And I remember I was going back and forth with a buddy of mine, obviously not on the show, or I think I got to get rid of Kevin Petullo and somebody said, oh, well, well, that's not fair to Jalen Hertz. He has a new O.C. every year. Well, I don't think that's an excuse to get rid of Petullo. He's just bad. You don't want to keep someone who has Jalen Hertz, Sequan Barkley, A.J. Brown,

Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard, and a good offensive line, and reduce them into this, whatever this Frankenstein's monster of names stapled together is, because that's what that offense is under Kevin Petullo. And do what the worst part is, just based on my gut. And I could be wrong. I've been wrong before. I don't think they're going to fire him. I genuinely don't think they're going to fire him because Nick Siriani at his core

is petulant and he's stubborn because if he fires Petulow, who, by the way, like I said, is his buddy and it's as close to an NFL, a nepotism hire as you get, like they are friends off the field if he does that then he thinks oh well i've capitulated to the fans the fans think they run things i'm just going to keep petulah out of spite because that's what's going to fuel them it's going to be spite and the only loser's going to be jaylon hurts and don't be shocked when a certain player once again no name says i don't want to be here anymore it's a jrown that's who we're inferring to uh tuckie got anything we want to Chris really understands no names.

Unfortunately, this is just a bad game. I still think Jalen Hertz, for the most part, is still a top 10 quarterback. He just had a very, very, very bad game all around. Just the Eagles had a bad game all around. Just very unfortunate. I think they'll bounce back because they have an easier schedule coming up. But this was really bad offensively. I'm not sure they can fix it, but we'll see.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not even a good. One more thing. Jalen Hurst is the first quarterback with four interceptions since Michael Vick in 2012. Another Eagles quarterback. Four interception a game. It's a Philly thing. Also, didn't he only have like two coming into this game? I'm going to say that was probably...

Yes, 19 to two interceptions, he leaves with six. yeah so he tripled his interceptions in a game god wow did you say the first first eagles quarterback to do that yeah first eagles quarterback to do that since michael vick in 2012 nice how about that uh with that the eagles now dropped down to the third uh or did pretty much stay in there they stayed yeah they stay uh still over the bucks and no other movement really, or, well, the Chargers. Now, the Chargers overtook the bills.

Chargers are number five, bills are number six. Yeah. So, I mean, Chargers, not much else to really make of them besides they're hurt. And it's still a good win. It's still a really good win for them. Before we wrap it up, we got to talk odds real quick. We actually still have top three, bottom three before we even get to the audience. Oh, yeah, I know, I know.

But I was just going to say, as far as the odds go, Philly, dropped from like 96 to 93 they're fine but the chargers went from I think 60 to 76 so they are going more likely in there and they put some distance between themselves and in Kansas City

yeah and they face Kansas City coming up and obviously going to get some help from the Colts probably going to lose a few more games down the road as well um all right let's get into the

week 14 top three bottom three all right another great week of football coming to an end and we'll start with the Thursday night matchup the lions 44 to 30 win against a very hot Dallas cowboy team and when you look at how the lines were coming into this game they were they were very inconsistent yeah that's where I'm looking at for inconsistent. So this is just a great win, especially a bounce back after losing on Thanksgiving, putting up 44 against the Cowboys. Texans being just alive right now, staying alive in the AFC playoff race,

and now they're in that final AFC playoff wild card spot. And just any time you can get a win against the Chiefs is a good day. and Texans defense is looking like the top defense in the league at the moment. Packers, easy enough, you know, a win against your hated rival. And most importantly, you now are in the second spot in the NFC playoff race and now have the top spot in NFC North. Anything you guys want to chime in on from that? All three of them had quality ones impressed by all of them. Not good job.

Yeah. Bottom three, commanders, they got shut out, didn't put any points, 31, nothing against J.J. McCarthy and the Vikings, they got nined. And on top of that, too, you know, for some reason you start J.N. Daniels, and lo and behold, he got hurt again. And so they take them out of the game, and they don't bring them out of the game, and they don't bring them in for health concerns and it's like, well, why the fuck

did you even start the game to begin with? I think we're starting to get into some points right now where hot take, Dan Quinn's starting to make some moves where, like, those are fireball offenses. Like, those are low-key, some fireable, like, Jane Daniels starting this week. That could be a fireball offense. the Buccaneers losing to the Saints 2420

Bucks are in trouble Big big trouble Basically they have their They can thank their lucky stars The Panthers weren't playing this week Because if the Panthers got If the Panthers were playing this week and won They would no longer have control of the NFC South

And last but not leaves the chiefs Lowkey top three though because now they're six and seven but like now they're bottom three uh only 10 points they wow look they and they i think most importantly they got brutalized at home on prime time that's the biggest thing i really see when i see the chiefs especially on top of the fact that they're no longer in contention for the afc west and their playoff you may as well just say the chiefs aren't going to make the playoffs here but obviously you talked about that plenty earlier in this episode but uh thoughts from you guys

yeah when i look at the commanders and just the way that i mean yeah rushing back jaden daniels is a fireable offense as far as dan quinn goes but i think i think it's a an absolute travesty the way that the commanders have treated jaden daniels as far as coaching him up in his playing style as far as not coaching out the recklessness that he had pre-draft we all knew that he had a reckless play style the way he ran he did not know how to slide there were all the all these memes that were out about how he takes hits like a lunytoons character because he just look it's the way that he's he's so little as far as his builds As far as his frame, rather, he has good enough height that whenever he gets hit by a bigger guy,

which the interior D-lineman are big, he just gets thrown around like a rag doll. And they just don't, it's not even just the fact that he needs to be better towards not taking hits, but they need to stop trying to turn him into this hard dual threat quarterback. He's a solid runner, but he throws. such a beautiful ball. He's such an accurate passer. He knows how to scan the field. He has a good pocket presence. Why are you making him a dual threat quarterback? Why are you making him this quarterback where you make running such a big part of his game? He doesn't need to do that. It's not a big part of being a quarterback. He doesn't need to do that. And the commanders are trying to turn him

into this dual threat guy. And Jaden Daniel's mom, I completely understand he's trying to, he's trying to protect his son, saying don't project RG3 onto him. But it seems like the commanders, the commanders are actually doing that to him. Like they're trying, they see him, they see his abilities and they try to turn him into the same guy. He doesn't need to do that. Maybe RG3 needed to do that. in order to be a better player because that's the let his legs were part of his game but as far as

please change it maybe it i'm just not used to it it's interesting okay i was playing around with it earlier um because i'm looking at myself as i'm as i'm doing this thing um listen that was a big part of RG3's game because he needed it. Jaden Daniels throws such a good ball and he's such a good quarterback that he doesn't need it. He doesn't need to rely on his speed and his elusiveness, on his athleticism. That's all good. But the commander's trying to turn it into such a big part of his game. I mean, it's ruining him.

That's a big issue. Yeah, no, I agree. and like I don't even it's not even that I think Dan Quinn's going to get fired I don't he's not getting fired like this you look at Washington this is the season from hell and that basis alone along with Washington making the NFC championship last year like I don't see Dan Quinn getting fired should definitely get another year but as far as what Washington doing is doing yeah I mean I can imagine they're trying to tell him to play it more safe, but this is kind of just more or less the result of a young quarterback still finding his way through the league and figuring it out, but Jansar, he's going to be figuring it out a little too late. I mean, at least it's his left elbow. Yeah, that is the good thing.

But I don't know. He throws such a good ball. He doesn't have to be what they're trying to turn him into. He just doesn't have to. I don't think they have a choice because they don't have a running game and he's good with his legs so they don't have a choice

so like don't sacrifice your long term for a short term game just live with the bad running game the Patriots didn't have a good running game earlier this year they didn't have Drake May running around like a psychopath that's not I'm just telling you the reason why

they don't they don't also have Traveon Hendren Henderson. They don't also have a rookie running back. They could have used all this time, but they wanted to stick with Ramadre Stevenson. Outside of winning a championship, your number one priority is to protect your quarterback for the long term. That's the top priority. If you don't have the long-term elite quarterback, then you have nothing. In their eyes, they were one game away from winning a championship. Because they had the quarterback. They had the guy. They had him. Well,

I hope they still have them. I hope they didn't ruin him. I hope they don't end up. Technically, they still do have them, but. They still do have them, but maybe. Yeah. See how that plays out. Yeah, definitely going to be, I mean, first and foremost,

I mean, we talked about this like a month ago, but, like, Washington's going to have to, like, actually rebuild halfway into their rebuild. Because, like, that, it's one of the oldest teams in the league and our defense is also very old. Like most of our youth is on the offensive side, which by the way, Zach Gertz, torn ACL, we may have just saw the last of Zach Gertz, unfortunately.

A great career for him. Unfortunate way for him to go down. But, yeah. All right. Anything else we want to touch on from either the commanders or anything else we want to bring up before we end the show? No, not really. And I'm outside of just worry for the books, which we've already talked about in the past, I'm good.

All right. That'll do it for us tonight or today. Thank you for tuning in to another Tuesday episode of the Fulburiski podcast and celebrating five years with us. Thank you for tuning in and following us on our social media platforms currently at 11.7,000 followers on Instagram since starting up. And just want to thank each and every one of you for. Being along for the ride. But new episode coming out on Friday at 8 a.m. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel.

And we also have all our episodes available on Spotify, Spreeker, Apple Podcasts, IHard Radio, Google Podcast, and so much more. Be sure to follow our Instagram, Fulmariski underscore podcast to keep up with the pod in the latest coverage on the NFL. Otherwise, Justin Tucker, C.J. Medeiros, Adam Wright. I'm Chris Costich. We'll see you on Friday over now. Thank you.