The Gargle - 3D printing | Disney hacked | AI wave

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

John-Luke Roberts and Katie Norris join host Alice Fraser for episode 162 of The Gargle. All of the news, with none of the politics.🔫 3D printing🐧 Disney hacked👋 AI wave🤖 Robotic pets🐘 Elephant names📱 1-word texts🫃🏻 ReviewsWatch on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@BuglePodcastStory 1: https://gizmodo.com/youtube-ghost-gun-content-3d-printer-instructions-1851527185Story 2: https://mashable.com/article/disney-hacked-club-penguinStory 3: https://futurism.com/the-byte/microsoft-layoffs-blaming-ai-waveStory 4: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/4000-additional-robotic-pets-seniors-new-york-combat/story?id=111067224Story 5: https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/jun/10/elephant-names-study-aiStory 6: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/one-word-reply-communication-texting_l_6660cae1e4b06a0c0d1f9ba8Written by Alice Fraser, John-Luke Roberts and Katie NorrisProduced by Ped Hunter, with executive production from Chris SkinnerHOW TO SUPPORT THE GARGLE- Keep The Gargle alive and well by joining Team Bugle with a one-off payment, or become a Team Bugler or Super Bugler to receive extra bonus treats!https://www.thebuglepodcast.com/donate Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Thank you, hello, lovely to be here. Lovely to have you. And John Luke Roberts. Hello, thank you, lovely to be here. You know, I quite like a time travel introduction because you know the secret of comedy is writing at a time before political correctness went mad. Timing! Oh sorry. But before we sit back at the fireside and reminisce about this week's top stories,

let's have a look at the front cover of this week's magazine. Let's have a look at the front cover of this week's magazine. The front cover this week is Noam Chomsky, posing provocatively with a million eulogy posts about a lifetime of things he had said about politics. His death being used to justify positions across all sides, regardless of the facts or contexts, only to discover a little bit later in the day through an announcement from his wife that he's not dead. The hysterical cartoon for today is two lady penguins watching a Bond movie and he's in a full tuxedo and one lady penguin says to the other lady penguin, ooh, he can sit on my eggs any day. And that brings us to our top story for today. Top story today is YouTube is cracking down on gun content. Apparently you're no longer allowed to make

a harmless YouTube video about 3D printing a gun in order to take vengeance on the people who wronged you. It's a really sad time for gun makers. Katie, you're in 3D, can you unpack this story for us? Yeah, well, this was a lot to unpack for me, to be honest, because I've heard of 3D printers. I thought that they were literally like origami guns. You know, they sort of just print them. And then I had to spend about an hour sort of looking up ghost guns and 3D printers. And then suddenly I was watching Vice documentaries about these men. Cody Wilson, is that his name? The guy who first

downloaded and made his own gun? And then suddenly, I've now got an AK 47 arriving this afternoon. So it's already gone too far. But yeah, that was a lot for me to get my head around. But I don't think you know, there should obviously be age age restrictions on gun content. I mean, surely. But the argument this guy's saying is that everyone that watches his videos is like 35 anyway. And that therefore they should be allowed to print out their own guns because we're 35. Pay for guns, like pay for airplanes.

Yeah, I don't know how I feel about it. I think you can be shot as well with a 3D gun as a non-3D gun, 3D printed gun. Yeah. Yeah. And also he was in the video. He's saying, I'm not promoting violence. But then his backdrop is 50 guns. And he's in a balaclava sort of looking like blind boy from rubber bandits. But not as cool. I mean, you know what they say? Guns don't kill people. Printers kill people.

They do. They send me west. John Luke, your thoughts? Well, I mean, I'm old enough to remember the moral panic about 2D printed guns. It was pretty easy to dodge the bullets as long as you existed outside of a plane. I don't know how you can build a whole YouTube channel around talking about 3D printed guns. How much more can there be than I printed a gun, bang! Here's another gun I printed, bang bang bang! So I mean, you're getting the idea. I feel like this is the artistic value of the of the thing which I would like to challenge all the things you could use 3D printers for

and you're just using it to churn out the same episode week after week and then get cross at YouTube for slamming down on them, slamming down on putting age restrictions on your gun videos. Yeah, if I had a choice, what would I use a 3D printer for? Would it be a gun or would it be a really high

state of the art vibrator or something, you know, something that I actually need? No, you got to do a lot of filing work because this is the thing about 3D printing. 3D printing is very cool and it sounds very cool. But in reality, it is also it tends to be a little bit ticky tacky because you're printing it from usually an extruded plastic. So the thing feels a bit kind of shonky and if you catch it in the right light you can sort of unpeel it like knitting.

You have to like sand it down don't you to make it into like a... Yeah. Yeah. Did you use a 3D printer to print paper? Like could you make paper with a 3D printer? Yes. Like, could you make paper with a 3D printer? I guess you'd have to get a, you'd have to have mulch, not plastic in it, but you could presumably do it.

Yes, but it would be even easier to print cardboard because that's more three-dimensional. Oh, yeah, I see. That's what they say about cardboard. It's like paper, but more so. They had that very famous set of ads that were only shown in 3D movies, which was just for cardboard,

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no one has noticed that I put so much effort into it. And so it's nice that you finally, thank you. Thank you for that blushing, actually. Your arms parallel, but your hands perpendicular to your body. That's why I'm well, they flap a bit, to be fair. They flap in and out. You can't just keep them perpendicular all the time. They have to they have to flap or how are you walking? Yeah, me and Dick Van Dyke carrying that flag

and Club Penguin, Club Penguin, Penguin, Penguin, Club, Club Penguin. You're worse than Benedict Cumberbatch. Benedict Cumberbatch? Oh yes, I remember that. Yes, right. Club Penguin, which is not an instruction, was a, the animal rights activists don't like it. It was a massively multiplayer online game, which is the official name for those games, isn't it? Which always, it seems funny when massively is in a real title for something, massively. It seems like a silly word.

Anyway, you had to be a human to play it, so you couldn't play it if you were a penguin, but you got to pretend to be a penguin in the game. Disney bought it. They didn't like this. They thought it was misleading people into thinking that penguins could play when penguins weren't allowed to play. I may have got that wrong.

Anyway, they closed down Club Penguin. Then they reopened a different version of Club Penguin. Then they closed down that Club Penguin. And now Disney have been hacked by what is supposed to be fans of Club Penguin, who aren't penguins, but are angry. So they don't get to pretend to be penguins, so they have to pretend to be criminals. Yes, exactly. Well, it is very hard to hack as a penguin because your little flip-flop flippers just go blam blam blam blam blam on the keyboard and it's hard to get any

precision. They can use their beaks, but it's a very slow process, and you can't see what's going on at the screen while you're hitting the thing with what is basically the equivalent of your nose. Yes, they've stolen personal details of people who, haven't they? I don't know. Yes. This is what happens when you're hacked. I mean, this is the thing that happens. Most hacking nowadays tends to be the leakage of personal information. So they've hacked Disney and stolen 2.5 gigabytes worth of internal company data and partly dumped on 4chan, which is the bastion of free speech and pictures of gaping assholes, depending on which you prefer to access at any given time.

It's apparently it's revealing revealing inner secrets of Disney, including their tools that they use as in their software development, as well as some of their corporate and advertising plans. I assume all of which are filed in folders labeled muhahaha, how can we ruin the things you enjoyed in your childhood? Katie, have you ever played Club Penguin? No, but it looked lovely. I think the only game I've played is the Make Your Own Hospital

one when I was younger. But the Club Penguin I thought looked nice, but I feel like Disney should know better than to, you know, f***ing kids. I'm a big fan of An Uprising. I think give the kids their origami guns, give the penguins the guns. I'm pretty sure that the people who were hacking are either the grownup children or fully adult people who played it and got irrationally attached to a children's game,

which means you're probably beginning from not the most stable position. No, I would say as well, are they the same people that hacked Ashley Madison? Like is it all the same thing? Yeah, Ashley Madison was hacked by angry penguins. Penguins dislike infidelity. They see things in black and white.

They do, they mate for life, don't they? So. And that brings us to our reviews section. They make for life, don't they? So. And that brings us to our review section. As you know, each week we ask our guest editors to review something out of five stars. John Luke, what have you brought in for us today? Well, as you may know, I'm currently in the process of preparing all 10 of my solo shows for re-performance this Edinburgh.

Sorry, what? Sorry, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm at the stage in the project when I've got a similar reaction to you. I'm yeah, I saw the first show I did in 2010. That's 14 years ago. I'm I'm doing them like one a day in Edinburgh and then starting again, doing them all the way through. And then at some later point I'm going to do them all over two days. Anyway, so I've gone very, there's so much introspection and retrospection and it's so solipsistic and I'm meeting like, turns out every single one of these shows was about something deeply personal in my life,

even the ones I didn't realize were. So I've gone down this sort of rabbit hole of me. And then yesterday, it was my 39th birthday. And I similarly to my 29th, the that's the hard one, I think that's the one where you come to terms with the next one. So I've been hit by a sort of this is I'm not in a good place. So I've written a review of my naval. This is, I'm not in a good place. So I've written a review of my naval. It would be fair to say that my naval is exactly where you would expect it to be. And in fact, there are a few ways, there are only very few ways in which it bucks convention. It's an innie, the most common arrangement for a naval. This of course makes the alternate moniker for the naval, the belly button, in many ways, inapposite. It doesn't look like a button. No one would trust a button which goes in. If the button at the pedestrian crossing was

concave, no way would you risk sticking your finger in there and wiggling it around. My navel is hairless, in pleasing contrast to the belly around it. My belly is good at collecting fluff from around my torso, working in tandem with the aforementioned belly hair which directs it in. This saves time on having to sweep my torso, working in tandem with the aforementioned belly hair which directs it in. This saves time on having to sweep my torso. I give my navel five stars out of five, but I don't know if it will appeal to a broad audience. Thank you very much. Five stars for your navel. Katie, what have you brought in for us today? You ever seen a smart bud? I've not seen a smart bud.

What is it? Mine's also bodily. So are you guys fans of pimple popping? Yes. Do you know what that says about us, John? What does it say? That we don't have a disgust threshold. Okay. Oh, I thought, no, sometimes I think the disgust is part of the pleasure, isn't it?

Exactly, my darling. So, pimple, it's a pimple vacuum. Someone bought it for my birthday. You hold it on your face and it has a television screen, like a recording device, so you can link up to your phone and watch the yourself squeezing all the spots out and you can record it so this is my pimple vacuum review for lovers of the pimple the pop and the pups do you want to experience both pleasure pain and also relief by luxuriating in your own filth and press that record button so you can play it again to satisfy your future puppy needs

what's not to love just don't set it too high on the suction bit because you will get hickeys all over your face. Five stars. Wow. Are you going to share the video with the gargle audience? We'll do a link at the bottom maybe. Livestream on your popular Twitch channel. It's worth pointing out, Pedead is furiously shaking his, uh, his head. So you, you, I'm taking, you guys aren't pimple popper fans? No, no.

Okay. Me and just me and John, we watch those on TikTok. I mean, I don't watch them all the time, but I have watched them and I take, there's one, there was one was amazing, massive one, like bigger than a 50p coin. That was incredible. How'd you let it get to that stage? Which one of you was, was, was the one who expressed skepticism that you could make an entire YouTube channel out of the process of making three dimensional

guns? Yeah, that was me. Yeah, now I see the now I see the floor. Yeah. Thank you. That's how many stars for the people popping suction machine? Five stars and five stars for John Luke's navel. It sucks. Five stars. That would be a good pimple popper. Read like a two. I mean, look, it's a good review in that I think what a good review should do is reveal the biases of the reviewer and you can be able to read a review and you go, I would hate that movie slash pimple popper.

Exactly. And also maybe we should use this on your belly button, see what's in there. That's a good idea. It's got a little recording device. I was looking at my belly button in the shower this morning and I was thinking, oh, you know, my linear negra from pregnancy is fading away, except I still have a little bit of darkness in and around my belly button. And then I scrubbed it with soap and it turned out to just be Phil. AI wave news now and this is the news that Microsoft has laid off 1500 workers and blaming

AI for the loss of these 1500 workers to some skepticism among people who have ever tried to use AI and seen how useless it is. I assume that the 1500 workers they all fired were all the 13 year old people ripping off Wikipedia in order to complete their school essays. Otherwise, I don't really see how AI could have replaced them. Katie, you look like your part robot. Can you unpack this story for us? them. Katie, you look like your part robot. Can you unpack this story for us? Well, AI sort of terrifies me, but I feel like it would make more sense. Can't we just replace all the CEOs with AI and robots and then just keep every all the employees the same? Surely that would make more sense. Replace the higher up people. Why sack loads of people? I think it's

really sad. Or replace the CEOs with penguins, obviously, that makes more sense. Oh, yeah. Actually, that's true that Microsoft could have got away with this if they'd said like, sorry, we're letting you go. We're employing penguins instead. People have been like, oh, fair enough. That's fun. Get the penguins in. Well, I think part of the problem was that the way in which Microsoft announced this internal massive firing was by hyping up the AI that was replacing the workers. Similarly to how there was a phase where cashiers at supermarkets had to train the robots that go beep beep. So I feel

like essentially it was adding insult to firing by sending this email out and said, our clear focus as a company is to define the AI wave and empower all our customers to succeed in the adoption of this transformative technology. Yeah. Thanks for helping us create it. Bye. I mean, yeah, it's the firing letter that was clearly written by AI to fire people in favor of AI. I'm just responding to this with noises, if that's all right. Yeah, it makes me sad. I mean, I'm so when I'm not doing comedy I'm a tour guide and I feel like I'm hoping that my job's not you know I couldn't be replaced by IAI taking Americans around Soho in the East End. Well the thing is at the moment it seems to be a massive grift like it's this huge it doesn't really it's not doing the job that they say it's

doing a lot of it is just rebranding things which weren't called AI before. And you can't run this stuff without somebody to fact check it because it can't think all it can do is reproduce plagiarized material from other places and get it wrong. Yes, and also I think part of the problem here

is that the tech industry over the last 20, 30 years has been built on these ridiculous exponential graph curves of success and growth. And so now nothing looks like success unless it's on an exponential graph curve. And unfortunately, things don't work like that. Things are either like useful or not useful. And that's not how the investment market works. The investment market works on betting that it will be the next big thing, even if it's only the next medium-sized thing. And needing a very, very quick return rather than waiting for something to slowly pay off

over time. But on the bright side, maybe they will fire all the people who make those decisions and replace them with AI, and AI can just bet on itself ad infinitum. Yeah, I just realised I didn't put a joke into, I just got a bit cross. So can I do a joke? Is that all right? You may, you may do a joke. Microsoft, don't stop me.

Let me do my joke. Microsoft, I blamed this on the AI wave. An AI wave being like a normal wave, but done by a hand with an indeterminate number of fingers. That's my joke. Thank you. Did you ask AI for that joke? No, I did, but it just had the word finger throughout it about 10 times. So I put the AI version aside and I rewrote it myself.

In equally depressing tech news now, the news that more than 4,000 additional robot pets will be given to seniors to combat loneliness. This is in New York, apparently you have lonely seniors looking for single robots in their area. One of the solutions to being alone when you're old apparently is to get a robot dog. John Luke, I can see your tail wagging from here. Can you unpack this story? Yeah, well, I mean, for one, I didn't I didn't I didn't really realize that Spanish men were so lonely. But oh, I'm so sorry, seniors. I thought you said, oh, it's just desperately sad, isn't it? The New York State Office for Aging, they're sending out robot pets to keep elderly people company.

Dot company. Dot company, yeah. So the puppy barks, turns his head and raises his paw. And it's just, it's the same as sending out SSRIs rather than doing talk therapy for people. It's basically, it's a sticking plaster for a colossal collapse of community. This is not what you, you may as well send out a little pocket of bis for everyone to stare into in the, in the, in the solitude of their own home. Um, and then it's just, it's just, it's like good on them for trying and oh God, this is bleak. Yeah. Katie? Yeah. I mean, is it Helen who's quoted in the article saying that she's very

lonely, she's 101 and she's very happy that she has this dog called Friendly and that she no longer feels lonely anymore? Well, the reason she's happy is because there's an interviewer there speaking to us, finally a person in the room. The good thing about it, I mean, if we're being sort of, yeah, it. I mean, if we're being sort of, yeah, is that when old people die, sometimes their animals have to be rehomed. At least when Helen dies tomorrow, it's a robot dog, so you can kind of just turn it off. It's not a sad dog that's four. A robot will sit familiarly by its grave, slowly running out of batteries. Exactly. Exactly. You know, it's not not it's not a four year old golden retriever who now has to be rehomed and go through the trauma. Although exactly with this one will

take millennia to decompose rather than normal. You know, on the other bright side, at least, you know, this time, when you die, your pet won't eat you. Unless you programmed it to do so. Look, I know this is a controversial thing but have we thought about reinventing God? Because I feel like God is a less depressing imaginary friend in your latter years than a robot dog. What about a robot god? Who looks like a dog? Oh yeah, not bad. Why not do that? That seems like that's all bases covered. Do robot dogs dream of chasing android sheep? I don't know.

And that brings us to our final story of this week, which is less depressing news. The news that elephants call each other by their names. Apparently, they have elephants have names. First of all, news to me, elephants have names. Secondly, it's not just them who knows their own. Look, if I looked at an elephant, I would assume that it had a name and that it knew its own name, but I wouldn't necessarily assume this other news, which is that other elephants also know its name. Katie, you know some names, can you unpack this story for us? Yeah, well as someone that speaks fluent elephant I was glad to finally have this in the news. Yeah, they used AI didn't they,

to sort of look at the vibrations of a group of elephants and study them speaking to each other and apparently also dolphins and parrots know each other by name as well. The small print obviously at the bottom of the article is that they're all club penguins and robots and are operated by batteries, but it's a beautiful story nonetheless. And it is a beautiful story of AI because the reason that they found out that these elephants called each other by name was they were able to analyze elephant calls, a huge amount of data using machine learning. So I feel like, you know, I don't want to be always negative about AI. It does have these potentially brilliant applications. I want to know every name of every elephant in the world. And if we could do that instead of figuring out how to do scam calls better, I will be 100% pro AI. Although there's a massive GDPR problems with that

as soon as you like start logging the elephant's names, how are you meant to, you know, keep that data safe? The AI thing, that's the other thing, AI becoming a catchall for everything in computers. So a couple of years ago, we just have said, algorithms have helped people process this data. Now, yes, they use low sounds to call each other by their name. They

trump it and then only the elephant whose name is excited by their name and turns around and looks for their name. I like it. But it is the equivalent because it's all just trumpeting. It would be like if every human was called Dave and it was just a slightly different lower intonation of like, Dave, Dave, Dave. I started doing comedy coming up like 15 years now. So I remember the time when it was all Dave's on the bill and one woman, that was, that was how they used to do lineups. It's 100% Dave's.

And that brings us to our final, final story, which is the story that researchers have decided on the worst one word text. And I'm using the term researchers very loosely, but apparently after a survey of people, the response, sure, is considered the most offensive response to any question in a text message exchange. Katie, how do you feel about this? I feel personally attacked because I say sure all the time in text messages. To my mum, to anyone, to my agent. So I don't know. Sure. It's said if I was saying it out loud,

it would be, you know, it would be a happy Shaw, it wouldn't be a sad Shaw. I feel like the worst one would text message response is just lol, when it's not a thing that requires a lol. Yeah, all that emoji. Yeah, all the thumbs up emoji. The reason Shaw's negative is because it's got like, it's as if it's intimating Shaw, if you think so. It's like what Shaw isn't saying that's the problem, I guess. Yeah, it's the I'm fine of conversational gambits. Yeah, yeah, like you're

giving little away but it doesn't seem like an enthusiastic yes. I think the worst word to one word text to send is boo, because it's really scary. That's my research. Don't text boot or people will get a fright when they open their phone. And that brings me to the end of this week's episode of The Gargle. I'm flipping through the ad section at the back. Katie, have you got anything to plug? Yeah. John Luke Roberts' belly button. Thank you.

And also my debut stand-up show. It's going to be on at the Pleasant's Courtyard every day apart from the 14th at 8.30pm. It's called Farm Patel. What is a farm Patel? An agricultural icon who's likely to cause delight or distress to anyone who becomes involved with her or her livestock. Yes, that's me, Katie Norris. That sounds brilliant and exciting. Katie, thanks for coming on and welcome to the Gargoyle crew allotment arsenal. Club. Club. Penguin Club, yeah, there's this space in the club market for a non-penguin club, I reckon. John Luke, have you got anything to plug?

I reckon. John Luke, have you got anything to plug? Yes. I'm also in Edinburgh doing all of my solo shows at 2.10 every day in the monkey barrel. You can look on my Twitter or Instagram to find out which shows I'm doing which day. Also, I have a podcast called Sound Heap, which is fun. Please listen to that.

You should do that very much. I've been on Sound Heap, and it's such a fun show to do, but also to listen to. So a lot of things that I do I can't listen to or watch afterwards just because I feel self-conscious, but because Sound Heap is so delirious and delightful I can actually listen to it. I have been recently announcing my writers' retreat in Switzerland, but it was snapped up super quickly and is now full, but I will be doing some writers' intensives in London and Tokyo in September and October. The place you can find them is patreon.com slash Alice Fraser. That's a one-stop shop for all of my stand-up podcasts

and blogs as well as my weekly salons, my twice weekly writer's meetings and now also the place you can go to get early bird tickets for these intensives. I'm Alice Fraser, this is a Bugle podcast and Alice Fraser production. Your editor is Ped Hunter, your executive producer is Chris Skinner and I'll talk to you again next week. You can listen to other programs from The Bugle including The Bugle, Catharsis, Tiny Revolutions, Top Stories and The Gargle, wherever you find your podcasts.