The Gargle - ChatGPT | AI ketchup | Plant feels

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

Buy tickets to The Gargle Live at the Edinburgh Fringe FestivalTue 15 and 22 AugustGo to thebuglepodcast.com/live immediately! ChatGPT cases AI to save ketchup Future of money Plants detect touch ReviewsJosh Gondelman and Gabe Mollica join host Alice Fraser for episode 115 of The Gargle - the glossy magazine to The Bugle's audio newspaper for a visual world.Produced by Ped Hunter and Chris Skinner. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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but being resolved in the midst and heat of the battle to live and die amongst you all, to lay down for my God and my kingdom and my people, my honour and my blood, even in the dust. I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach of the gargle. This is The Gargle, the sonic glossy magazine to the Bugle's audio newspaper for Visual World. I'm your host, Alice Fraser, and your guest editors for this week's edition of the magazine are Josh Gondelman. Welcome. Thank you. I also am feeble in body, so this is a good issue for me to guest edit. And Gabe Molica. Welcome.

Oh, I'm excited to be here. I am feeble in body, but rich in mind at 8 a.m. in New York City, ready to go. I would have sympathy, but I've been working across time zones, so I have no sympathy. Time means nothing. Time is just a number that says how tired you are.

I like that kind of as the conceit for the gargle now, just like the gargle, time means nothing. Just fully detached, Billy Pilgrim, unstuck. Your time means nothing to us, and we are promptly about to waste it. But before we pour the late-night port wine of this top story, we are going to have a look at the front cover of this magazine, which is Al Pacino, an 83-year-old, posing provocatively with a Zimmer frame made of guns and cameras

that draw focus lines towards his crotch, having fathered a daughter young enough to be his great-granddaughter with a woman young enough to be his granddaughter. Josh, how do you feel about this? About Al Pacino's baby? Yeah. uh josh how do you feel about this about al pacino's baby yeah oh i think it's i think it's a lesson to men in their 20s that if you keep making your girlfriend sit down and watch the godfather with you there is a risk that they'll leave you for a cast member so i think he's shots fired he's letting you when you know and this a real, I've been thinking this all week.

It's a real theory that I have. Like when you're 83 and you are the father of a baby, shouldn't that baby come out like 55 years old? Like small, but 55 years old. Yeah, that's babushka doll logic, right? You don't go big doll, tiny doll. You go big doll, smaller doll, smaller doll doll it has to be proportionate to age yeah you can't go all the way from 83 to baby that's too steep a gradient well i know plenty of uh people who've who are the children of older

parents and they tend to be like slightly too mature for their age like they're sort of wearing you know tweed tweed coats with leather patches at the age of nine or ten. And so you sort of think, where are they going to go when they're actually old? They're going to be the oldest people alive. They'll be made of stone. How much older can you be? Gabe, are you an Al Pacino fan? Are you glad there's more Pacino blood in the world?

You know, I really am. And I keep imagining him and De Niro's kid hanging out. But I guess, as Josh would say, they're 55. Instead of preschool, it's like a retirement home. That's where they just get right into it. They're rich. They don't need to work. Those kids never need to work.

I love it. Yeah, all babies are born grumpy, but these are born like extra grumpy and kind of cynical about the world. I can't wait till one of them is old enough to like start a heist, like to do a heist, and the other one is old enough to track him down like a baby heat. The satirical cartoon this week is a couple both wearing Apple's soon-to-be-launched $3,500 mixed reality goggles,

and they're sitting on a bench together. One says, this is so reasonably priced, this restaurant. The other one says, I'm so glad they managed to make the metaverse work. The next panel zooms out to show the bench is on a dumpster, which is on a pile of landfill waste with spot fires running off into the distance. Other hills of garbage in the distance show silhouetted similar figures in similar goggles. That's our satirical cartoon for the day. Just mixed reality is always an upsetting phrase to hear, particularly when it's marketing bump. an upsetting phrase to hear,

particularly when it's marketing bump. Yeah. I kind of want it all reality or all unreality. Don't pick and choose. This isn't martial arts. Don't mix them. Yeah, yeah. Even Canny Valley, it's too close.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get it canny. We all have that experience when you're like dating or meeting a new friend where you're like, how much of this is real? Like I know some of it's probably real, but you can't tell.

Yeah, I think it's a terrifying thing. That said, I have a friend who's an architect and his whole architecture thing was building augmented reality world so that you could say like, this is a boring town that I live in. I wanted to see it like medieval town. He built these like facades for every building in the town that he lived in different eras so that that is cool that's like kind of it's like very brilliant right the

technical work and it's like a very fun thing and and like oh cool and then to me it's like that is such a thrilling thing for 45 50 seconds we already had pokemon go i feel like which like did this better than any 3500 device you know the whole world was into it and it's also like we're josh you know we're it's a writer's strike right now and the companies keep being like well our stock prices are great and then apple's like how about a 3500 piece of trash yeah like they're not helping themselves at all right well all i mean that is like for sure what's happening is like all the companies are like oh yeah um we don't need writers we're just we just put out a movie with a budget of 16 zillion dollars you're like so you have so you have the money you're saying you have the money it's just sitting there you're paying it to make a CGI dragon fight a CGI hurricane.

Okay. Yeah. Two more Vin Diesel Fast and Furious movies. They're like, oh, there's one more. They're like, no, no. If it sells well in China, there's two more. It's like, how much money is there for this? Oh, they have so much money.

It's billions and billions of dollars. It's just when they say they don't have money. I mean, it's like, I mean, this sounds very cruel, but it's like when you see someone say that to like an unhoused person, like, I don't have money. I mean, it's like, I mean, this sounds very cruel, but it's like when someone, you see someone say that to like an unhoused person, like, I don't have anything. It's like, it means I have money, just not for you. Yeah.

A thousand percent. Our top story this week is chat GPT news. Further virtual reality developments. A lawyer is now in trouble after he admitted that he used chat GPT to help write court filings that cited six non-existent cases invented by the AI.

Gabe, you look like you've seen a courtroom before. Can you unpack this story for us? I have. Lawyer Stephen Schwartz tried to pass off fake cases to support his argument in court. Coincidentally, Stephen Schwartz is also the name of the composer who wrote the musical Wicked. So one, Stephen Schwartz defied gravity, and the other defied several federal laws. I also want to point out the Southern District of New York

is like a real courtroom. It's like one of the most important courtrooms in the world. My dad became a lawyer in the 50s, and anytime he has to go near the Southern District, he gets like really nervous. It's like a big deal for him. And it he has to go near the Southern District, he gets like really nervous. It's like a big deal for him. And it's funny to think that the person he's up against might just be like cheating on a final and popping a draw. These guys are just idiots.

Schwartz apparently didn't know that ChatGPT could give false information, which is very funny to me. I feel like this is what happened. And I kind of missed it in the early 2000s with Google, where people would be like, what do you mean there aren't hot singles in my area? It says so right on my screen. Yeah, in written words. And if I know anything about written words, only correct people can ever put them down to paper. I don't understand the law. I mean, so much of lawyering, so much of lawyering is research, right? And being able to trust your research tools and going to the right places and going to LexisNexis and whatever your local source of information is. And the other half of lawyering is pretending you know what you talk about.

And it feels like that if you are relying on chat GBT, that is a tool for pretending it knows what it's talking about. Everything that it presents looks like facts, but most of it isn't. Yeah. Citing fake cases is wild. I can't believe that he was like, I didn't know this could be fake. I went to artificial intelligence for real information. No, this is like truly, this is the test case for artificial intelligence.

It was a guy being fake smart. And that's exactly what artificial intelligence means. Someone's like, have you ever heard of cross-referencing? He's like, I'm never cross when I reference. I love to reference. I'm in a cheery mood. He's also been doing this for 30 years. You're right.

He's artificially intelligent. Yeah. Just pretending. doing this for 30 years he you're right he's artificially intelligent yeah just pretending it's also like this is one of the most gullible guys i've ever heard of right like i i truly makes me feel like i'm his mom and he's like a 14 year old like if chat gpt told you it was safe to jump over a cliff according to a mostly fabricated peer-reviewed study of gravity would you do that too like that's really where I am with this guy. And he's facing possible sanctions.

And he's lucky that he might get off with justice sanctioning because one time a lawyer got the death penalty for doing this in the case of Wyoming versus McClanahan, a 1937 ruling that I just made up but he would think is real. Because I said this versus other this. I also love that the guy who made the oral argument didn't write the papers. So he's just being hung out to dry for citing stuff that just doesn't exist. He's like the worst group project ever.

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It was a year I'd like to forget. Broomgate. Available now. ACAST helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts. Everywhere. ACAST.com ACAST.com This is AI news. This is the news that AI will save ketchup, which is being threatened. The sources of ketchup are being threatened by climate change and

artificial intelligence proposes a solution. Josh Gondelman, what is this solution? So this is huge. AI might do something actually intelligent because like you said, climate change is imperiling the world's ketchup supply, which on the bright side could be the first thing that gets Americans to care about climate change. So this is going to be huge. to care about climate change. So this is going to be huge. Basically, tomatoes thrive during warm days,

but require cool nights to grow. And a hot night is extra destructive because tomatoes haven't evolved to do that thing where you hook one leg up over the covers to regulate your own temperature. So in response to changing conditions around the globe, gene editing has been used on crops to create things like less bitter mustard greens. So congratulations to today's top geneticists on inventing romaine lettuce. That's huge.

But they're also working on things like pitless cherries, heat resistant chickpeas and avocados that are ripe for even less time. So you feel like you've really earned it when you get a good one. So they're trying to do this with tomatoes to make tomatoes resistant to heat. Right. And to hold up in this new world. And what's going on is that they're using AI to try to figure out what strains of tomato to blend. Because it's not easy to figure out which different species will blend well together on your own. Right. As anyone who's ever set friends up on a blind date will tell you. So artificial intelligence is being employed. I thought you were going to say anyone who's tried to make a pig f*** a jellyfish.

That you can do if you're tenacious, you get a little red wine involved. The idea here is to accelerate the evolution of these plants by using AI to choose or suggest combinations to combine. And this does sound like the most boring way to play God, right? I'm a little worried, right? At least let us go by the hands and teeth of dinosaurs, science. I'm so mad that our species is going to be undone by the hubris of creating a tomato so resilient it defies natural law. a tomato so resilient it defies natural law. Well, I also think that some of these prospects of making food,

you know, the pitless cherry and the seedless blackberry, all of these are trying to make food easier to eat, you know, a pistachio that strips luxuriously before forcing you to open it. But I'm not sure that that's the point. Sometimes the pleasure is in the difficulty. We don't value things if we don't have to chase them, I feel. Would you really enjoy a pistachio so much if it just flung itself into your mouth, screaming, take me now?

No. No. I think you need to work for it with a pistachio. That's most of it, right? Have you ever had a naked pistachio and you just put it right in your mouth? You're like, this is like dry corn on a cob well you also have to desensitize yourself to the weird little skin that's around it because it's got the bigger shell so you're like this is nothing compared to the shell yeah yep it's so little and pitiful to see it's like a banana that you don't have to peel it where's the sensuality

yeah exactly uh gabe yeah i mean they're trying? Yeah, I mean, they're trying to make, I love the detail, they're trying to make healthy food taste better. It's like, in America, we're just going to put ranch on it anyway. So it's just like, either we're going to learn to eat the right proportions or we're not.

The other detail I love in Edinburgh, they're working on a super cow, which is resistant to heat, stress, and disease. Super cow seems like a knockoff superhero. It wouldn't be in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. It would be in the, I'm sorry, Moo-val Cinematic Universe. I'm told I should apologize for that.

Who told you you should apologize for that? Chat GPT? Hey, you've been a stopped clock, right? that chat GPT. Hey, even a stopped clock, right? And now it's time for your reviews. As you know, each week we ask our guest editors to bring in something to review out of five stars. Josh, what have you brought in for us this week? I've brought in St. Louis style pizza. I don't know if you know about this as in the Midwest this week, which is a humble part of the United States. It's like we're kind of the West, but mostly we identify as mid, which I think shows a lot of humility.

They have their own pizza there, which nobody asked for. Regular pizza works fine all over the United States. They use a cheese called Provel, which they invented, which I resist. We've figured out the cheese on pizzas. It's one of the perfect things science has created. No need for further innovation. Pizza cheese has achieved its apex form, like a cheetah's legs or Jeremy Strong's fully chaotic concept of artistic integrity. It cannot be improved upon. St. Louis pizza is, it's the thickness of a photograph of pizza. It's incredibly flat and the crust is really crunchy. Plus the pieces aren't triangles. They cut them in like different shapes. So some are squares, but around the edge, they're just little crescents or wedges.

It is like eating a delicious jigsaw puzzle. They call St. Louis the loo, and that's not quite where this pizza belongs, the loo, for British audiences. But I will give it two out of five stars. Excellent. Any jigsaw puzzle can be delicious if you put enough round shot. Am I right, Gabe? That's exactly right. Barbecue sauce, the little chicken. I was like, yeah, this is the best jigsaw puzzle I've ever eaten. Gabe, what have you brought in to review for us this week? So I'm going to review finding a deodorant that works. Summer is upon us and stink is in the air.

And sometimes I do comedy in Brooklyn and they are cooking up scents no mother could love. It's up to you to protect yourself from being the smelly adult. It's one thing when you're a child, you know, you bathe, you wear deodorant when you're told. But it's 2023. I'm in my 30s. Where are the good stuff? For me, that's a Speed Stick Regular. And is Speed Stick Regular filled with enough aluminum to wrap up an old chicken farm hero? Absolutely. Do I smell? Never. I'm 31, and the most consistent compliment I get for women is, you smell good.

And the truth is, that's not even true. I just don't smell. I don't smell bad. But they live in Bushwood, Brooklyn, next to some unwashed liberal arts college graduate. So by comparison, I smell like a baby who moisturizes. My official review is wearing deodorant that works as five stars. And my advice to the listeners is to buy some of the over-the-top, over-the-counter goo, rub it all over, you won't regret it. Unusually, I have brought in something to review this week out of five stars and that is being locked out of your Airbnb by a security door that you were not told was going to be there and were not equipped with either a key or a code to enter. Turns out that at midnight, the thing that makes me go completely off the rails is bars between me and my baby.

So if you've ever wanted to see Alice Fraser trying to rip a security door out of a concrete housing like a deranged chimp, you should go back in time to Saturday night. At which point, a very nice lady from a few doors down said, are you all right? And I burst into tears and I said, I'm not all right. And she said, would you like to use a ladder to climb out of my basement flats courtyard? And then you take the ladder up and go through the construction site that is the upstairs backyard and then lower a ladder into your own construction site slash basement courtyard. And I said, yes, please, because that seemed like the sanest response

and then I did that and now my back is f**ked so uh one and a half stars for trying to rip out a security door and the uh you know the vaunted strength of the mother not enough to rip out a security door now it's time for the future of money uh they the bigger they are the bigger they fall it seems to be in the cryptocurrency space the u.s has now finally sued the last big giant in the crypto space binance is uh under the hammer uh you have a lot of fake money. Gabe, can you unpack this story for us? I'd love to. U.S. regulators are suing the CEO of Binance, Changpeng Zhao, for operating a web of deception with regards to their crypto trading platform. The SEC alleges that Binance artificially inflated its trading volume, divested customer funds and misled investors and its market surveillance controls. Every time I hear the phrase artificially inflated, it reminds me of this time when I was a kid.

We had this uncle by marriage and we were filling up a pool floaty. And he was like, guys, I bet I could do this. I'm so gassy. I bet I could do this with my ass. And all of us were like, that's so funny. And he was like, no, no, no, I'm serious. And all of us were like that's disgusting i think that's what binance did to our economy they were just like wouldn't it be funny if i farted and money came out um the sec alleges that binance uh artificially uh inflated trading volume so it made it seem like the price was fluctuating when it really wasn't uh binance responded in a blog post is my favorite we intend to defend our platform vigorously and the second quote very revealing because binance is not a u.s exchange the sec's

actions are limited in reach which is always good we're like we didn't steal money from americans but even if we did you can't punish me you're not my real dad josh yeah it's amazing it's i love that the the quote was a web of deception they're like binance you've was a web of deception. They're like, Binance, you've created a web of deception. It's like, that's what cryptocurrency is. That's like suing Ikea for being a weird labyrinth full of unreliable furniture. It's like not even an insult. It's just their business model. this lawsuit, Bitcoin has been trading at its lowest value in months. Although, there's good news there too. If you plan on spending your Bitcoin on goods and services, it's worth exactly as much as it was a week ago, which is nothing. It's still worth nothing. You still can't do anything with it. And specifically, I want to touch on one more allegation from this. And specifically, I want to touch on one more allegation from this. The SEC alleges that Binance, they moved around customer funds, basically, to use for their own purposes. And one thing they did was they took funds from these accounts and they purchased a yacht, which is such a conspicuous purchase.

Like, if you can't afford a yacht, don't buy a yacht. People will ask questions like, hey, man, how the could you afford this floating city full of servants? Yeah, when I read that he was the CEO is Chinese and Canadian, I was like, this seems like a crime an American would commit. This doesn't sound believable to me. Some people naturalize quite well. You can blame American cultural imperialism for this. I don't know. It's just like I get confused that these allegations are coming now, right?

Because the SEC accusations say that Binance artificially inflated their trading volumes. Gabe was saying they diverted customer funds for their own purposes. And it's like, well, if they knew they weren't supposed to be doing that they wouldn't have gotten into cryptocurrency in the first place like we should just put up a sign that's like oh that's not allowed to do like when you're a bank you gotta do bank stuff you can't just uh loan people money like a mob boss or an unreliable friend you've gotta like do bank shit all cryptocurrency is sort of like uh schrodinger's cat if the cat were tinkerbell you know you have to believe in her really hard and then you tend Do bank shit. All cryptocurrency is sort of like Schrodinger's cat, if the cat were Tinkerbell.

You have to believe in her really hard, and then you're tentatively opening the lid going, I hope it's worth something. But I know all money is Tinkerbell, but some money is more Tinkerbell than others. I think about this all the time, right? Because I feel like you go, well, all money relies on consumer confidence, right?

That's what makes it real. And it isn't just paper or metal with no that's only valued as a source of material. But the crucial difference is we all believe in that the old one, right? That the work has been done. You know what I mean? It's like, like Gabe was talking about this earlier. It's like stepdad money, right? Where you're like, you have to earn me calling you dad. Right now, I'm not even going to call you Bitcoin. I'm just going to call you like Mike. You're Mike the currency. I mean, it's sort of like trying to start a new religion.

And in some ways, when you focus too hard on how to start a new religion, you realize how ridiculous the old religion was. Yeah. Except that, you know, billions of people believe it. And so it's not a weird thing to eat your God like a cracker. Like a St. Louis pizza. Yeah. Yeah. But if you were suggesting that we eat a St. Louis pizza representing our particular God, then it would seem a little bit deranged.

And I feel like that's one of the problems with all these cryptocurrencies collapsing which is it makes people go wait a minute is any it's it's the augmented reality of currency you go how much of this is actually real maybe makes you feel like the whole of reality is a simulation oh i maybe it is maybe we're already wearing 3500 goggles and have been our whole lives. Think about that sheeple listening, huh? Open your eyes. That's my new vibe now. Guy who thinks the Matrix is real.

Josh has a lot more time on his hands since the strikes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been coming up with some theories. I've been doing some live streams. Just as long as you don't write them down. My one and a half year old has what I think is imaginary friend, which, or a real ghost. One of the two.

I've either got a toddler who's haunted or I've got an imaginary friend on my hands and I'm not quite sure how to process it because she's too young to understand imaginary friends. You've got to be careful then, because she's at the perfect age to invest all her money into crypto. She doesn't know imaginary versus not imaginary. Yeah, maybe all imaginary friends are real ghosts.

Or the seeds of new gods. One of the two. No, that's a beautiful, that's going to be a movie. Yeah, that's what I'm going to do. Instead of using ChatGPT to generate my ideas, as so many people seem to be doing nowadays, I'm just going to go to my toddler and riff off her jokes for my jokes. What do you think is real? What's reality to you?

Now it's time for your plant news plants apparently can detect when you are feeling them up so uh take your hands off that tree josh sorry i was dizzy but that's what they all say um yeah this is scientists have figured out that plants know when you're touching them, which is either great news or terrible news for people who are sexually aroused by rubbing up against tree trunks. It's like, I don't know what they're into. Is it that the trees don't know or is that the trees might know? It sounds like torture for the plants. This really it makes vegans seem like much crueler people, right?

Because it is torture to be able to perceive touch, but not be able to go, hey, man, what are you doing over here? When a plant is being touched, slow waves of calcium ions move through their cells. And when that touch is removed, a set of faster waves is quickly released. So that's how scientists could tell the difference. But of course, you already knew that because it's right there in the lyrics of the Beatles' 1964 hit, I Want to Hold Your Plant. Yep, I'm sorry. Gabe isn't the only one that gets to do silly puns. We both get to do them.

The study confirmed these results using tobacco plants. And if tobacco plants can feel physical sensation, that means every cigarette is basically Joan of Arc. We need to rethink a lot of things. Gabe, do you have anything on plants feeling anything? I got plenty of thoughts this made me think this made me think when i found out plants could feel this made me feel like in eight years we're gonna get a pixar movie about about this and it's gonna come out during pride and it's gonna be two gay plants named fauna and flora who just want to be touched and i think it'll do gangbusters i don't know what platform it'll come

out on but i'm excited i do feel like at this point we're gonna that we do know the formula for those movies right it's like oh um toys yeah they can feel feelings and then it's like oh superheroes they actually they feel feelings and then it's like oh superheroes they actually they feel feelings and then now there's already been where it's like feelings yeah they've got feelings and they're casting joe perra which is honestly josh really good for both of our careers i think because someday he's not he's gonna be too busy and that's in the they'll call us is joe perra in a Pixar movie? Yeah, he's going to play a tree who works so much he grows into his own office.

I can't tell if that's a real thing or not. Oh, it really is. That's beautiful. I love that. That tree deserves a hug. That brings us to the end of the show. We're flipping through the ad section at the back. Gabe, have you got anything to plug?

I do. My solo show, it's called Solo, a show about friendship. It's about how I turned 30 and realized I don't have friends. It's going on tour. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Boston, Massachusetts, Philadelphia, Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Washington, D.C., all this summer, and possibly London. So, garglers, please come out.

That would be so fun. Yes, absolutely. And think of all the new friends you'll make. Josh, have you got anything to plug? I do. I have a newsletter that I write every week called That's Marvelous. It's joshgondelman.substack.com is where you find it. It's pep talks every week.

And I'm also on the road doing a bunch of tour dates. I'm going to Oklahoma City and Dallas and then a bunch of dates in California, Arizona, some stuff in New York. So come check out my website, joshgondelman.com or all my tour dates.

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and if I'm ever in the because you're always so positive on it if I'm ever in the need for sort of a stringent comedy it's so well written that I can just read it in a sarcastic voice in my head and it's still just as funny. Oh, thank you. Oh, good job. Yeah. You can find me online at patreon.com

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