The Glass Cannon Podcast - Giantslayer Episode 312 - Forget Me Knot

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

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It could result in the end of one of your lives. As the Naga continue to rain down chaos. Nestor, Sir Will, Lexington, and Baron, let's spray! The heroes dug deep to resist corruption. Just don't roll a natural one, and you'll be fine. Natural 20. But when the gunslinger's aim faltered...

43. Oh, no! Come on! No! You can't do on! No! I can't do it! No! You both see Linaratus, like, smile as that bullet flies past. The snake lured the heroes further up the tower.

You see a stained glass dome covering the room up here, filtering the light outside in a dazzling display. The adventure continues. The one thing that you hear is the sound of rain and thunder. Oh. And lightning. No. we've talked about this before on one of our shows.

I can't remember. It might even be this one. And I think I suffer from it more than most. This is something, Matthew, you'll probably be able to relate to a little bit more now that you're a parent. But when you have so much going on and then you have that little window of free time, could be anywhere from a half an hour, a good half an hour, I feel like something could get done in a half an hour to like hours. Like, for example, if my wife takes the kids to Target or something, and I like, don't have any immediate work to do, I will waste every second of that time

trying to decide what to do. And it drives me insane. And I need a cure for it. Some days I'm like, you know what? I'm going to play this video game. And then I start playing. I'm like, I don't want to do this. I want to go read.

Yeah, I want to read this. No, should I read? Which one should I? Oh, hey guys, you're back. Does this affect you guys as much as it affects me? Because it's driving me crazy. want to read this no should i read which one should i oh hey guys you're back uh does this affect you guys as much as it affects me because it's driving me crazy i will say it's actually gotten easier now that there's a child in my life because the answer is always one the same which is sleep yeah yeah you're at a very specific time though you're at a very specific time where that is 23 minutes right just sit in the chair

head down uh no i i totally hear you troy i i think that i suffer from it less than you you're you're so naturally neurotic like to a level that is just so upsetting but like i i definitely will find myself being like this isn't as much fun as it should be. And every 16 minutes, I'll like change the hobby that I'm doing. I'm like, I'm not getting anything done. I'm not having enough fun. I set a bar too high for this one hour of free time. My fun optimization is suboptimal. Right, exactly.

Yeah. As a member of the Future F of america i'm questioning so you have less time now that your children are more grown and going to daycare and things joe and troy than when they were first born is this true is this what i have to look forward to well sure yeah it's a different kind of free time you know yeah it depends on what you want your free time to be like when my kids were uh really little and could just lay in your arms and sort of snooze, like I could still catch up on TV series, you know, but like now it's much harder to watch TV because like you always have like an activity. You need to be out of the house. You need to be entertaining them.

And I can't have on, you know, the White Lotus in the background while I'm playing with a five-year-old. You know, there's just too much language and violence and stuff that they can pick up on. So you have to do that in a certain period of time when you're supposed to be just going to sleep. Like you're supposed to be going to sleep at what? Nine o'clock, ten o'clock. Get your rest. Get up at six, you know, because they're up at six. And so I'm like, well, no, this is the only time I can play video games and watch TV.

So I'll stay up too late, not get enough sleep, bad for your body. You know what I mean? It's just like, it's a vicious cycle. That's the worst. It's like 10-ish, 1030 when Sam goes to bed, I'll be like, the world is in my fingertips. And I'll do nothing. I'll just flip through Instagram or Twitter. And because I'm just like, ah, I don't really, you know, because of Grant, I started playing Dark Souls 3 again because I realized that I never really did the DLC.

I had like started it and just never finished it. So I've been digging back into that. And now I'm like whole hog back into Dark Souls 3 like a psychopath. But that's not a game you can play if you're not in the zone. So at night at 1030 or something, I'm like, I'm just too tired to like emotionally get into that right now. The beats of Dark Souls are such that if you make some progression, you get to a new bonfire, maybe you beat a mini boss or a main boss,

you feel great. But if you get into an area where you just die over and over again and you can't beat a boss right before bed it's the worst and i recently started finally i'm gonna try to get it out before elden ring i don't think i will dark souls 2 i started that's like a different game by a different company it's not the same thing at all uh but like what i love about that game which makes it totally unrelaxing is that every encounter you have is just six enemies surprising you from every angle and then they have an aggro range where they will chase you at least a quarter mile away from wherever you are yeah and it's just like there's nothing at all relaxing about it but i really like how different

it is in terms of like being a little town and more people to talk to. Oh, yeah. Grant, the cool people, like the cool Dark Souls people are like, who's the best one? Besides whatchamacallit. What's the other? Bloodborne. Victorian one. Yeah.

They'll be like, well, Bloodborne's obviously the best. And the second best is Dark Souls 2. Dark Souls 3 is trash. See, I think Sekiro might be the best one ever but i do understand not being able to build out your character the way you want yeah sekiro you're stuck with kind of like exactly what they want and that's why the combat is so precise but yes i i can see the arguments for all sorts of different reasons why you might like one of the others that have all the kind of the role-playing p D kind of character builds built in. I knew this would eventually evolve into a Soulsborne discussion,

but the original point is the one that I just can't wrap my head around. You know, I'm reading, I have a couple novels that I have out, and then I have these rule books that I'm trying to dig through that like, I never want to sit and read, you know what I mean? And I should be doing it like 10 in the morning after I finished like all my initial emails and meetings if i got time before noon i should just be like let me just sit down with this rule this dry rule book and it's just like i never want to do this but at some point i have to get through this 600 pages uh so i'm 100 with you i'm like torn between i've got like three open novels and a delta green book you know and i'm just like well which one do i jump into right now uh i'm just gonna watch tv

yeah or i'll be like i'll watch it on the commercials of a foot or i'll read it on the commercials of a football game and like shockingly that nothing sinks in so yeah doing doing too much at once yeah my time management sucks i think especially now with the pandemic and everything i i always feel like i'm running out of time or i don't have any time and it's also a product of having a hobby beer job the lines between your leisure time and your work time are totally blurred so that contributes to it i think i would love like troy you've got that like i would love to have at some someday i want to get like i want to have an office like in my home where it's just like this is where i do my work outside of the offices where I do everything else.

Because as it is, I just, I, I, I, I just, I'm always feel like I'm behind the eight ball all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree with you. Yeah. I totally agree. And it's so funny to think, like, I remember when my dad first retired, he was like, the first things that he said out of the gate within, let's say, a year later, he was like, I don't understand. I truly don't understand how I ever worked, like how I had any time to work because there's like so much house stuff and outside stuff and chore stuff or whatever that he's's always doing, and books and TV and whatever.

He's just like, I don't know. How did I do all this and work? Like, I just don't understand it. And I have felt the same way since the pandemic and, like, since I've had no commute, you know, at all. Yeah. I'm just like, how did I go into the city every day and commute for, like, an hour plus every day?

And I would never see my kids. Like, I barely see my kids working at home. i'm just like i i can't i can't even imagine i think that like that helps you partition your time too is having a commute yes like having that set time to like twice a day that you kind of have to yourself at least like with your own thoughts and you have that and it splits up your day into different into different sections and that helps you i yeah so that's something i weirdly kind of missed too i don't really exactly on balance i definitely would take this is better but no i agree but i'm also not getting anything done i you know what i mean i'm like i should be getting so much more done i know i know but it does it

would help the the the delineations to create a liminal space like a space two separate spaces where you know this is for work this is for relaxing and i think that would help get over some of the analysis paralysis i have it too i think i need to watch a show a movie play a game i really like and i'm on the couch looking up uh coffee maker reviews for an hour and a half and just agonizing over what to buy and i'm more stressed out and more wound up and tight i was tight before we started recording today i got a little angry up top i apologize to everyone for that ahead of time i'm having trouble you were justified there are differing opinions on that don't fire unless you don't get them

i'm i'm not gonna be fired up i just say sorry for getting a little heated under the collar but yes i agree with you troy it is hard to relax when you have the time to relax i want to say too real quick because you guys talk about video games i started playing a video game a few days ago i got we got a stream key for it. And it's a game called War Tales. And it's very much like Battle Brothers where you're managing sort of a mercenary company in a fantasy realm. And that's my favorite kind of game. I love Battle Brothers.

Like, same kind of thing. I got to look this up. Yeah. So, I started playing. I was just like, I... And I was streaming. I was like like i love this game this is so awesome i've waited for it for a while but then i got to a certain point and what

i realized is that the game levels up the world as you level up and that fucking killed it for me i'll never play that game again you witchers like that. You like to snowball and power. Yeah, I like to grind and say, yeah, I'm going to grind and get better, and I'm going to go back and smack these things in the face. They used to give me a hard time. But when everything in the world is leveling up along with you, it takes away that opportunity, and it pulls me out of the fiction. Because it's like, what the fuck is the explanation for this

because like uh elder scrolls i kind of did the same thing and uh it was one thing i like i hated about that too it's just like why are these wolves getting better at the same rate than i am yeah i always thought it was so yeah i always thought it was so surprising and and immersion breaking yeah yeah you'd be running around the world and the world would just be populated in the woods by rats and the occasional wolf. And then like, you know, a year later of game time,

just what equates to like a wolf or a squirrel in the world is like a demon of the ancient world. They're all just like walking around the woods. It's like, what is the point of me leveling up? Like, it feels like you're running in a hamster wheel in a system like that. I just don't understand it.

So I don't know. Maybe they'll, it's still an early release. Maybe that's something they'll address. I was loving it so much. I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sorry, everybody.

No, it's important. I have genuine fears about how I'm going to handle the release of Elden Ring. I have genuine fears about, like, do I have to get up at 5 in the morning to play it and just get that done with? Because that's all I'm going to be thinking about. And then 1030 is going to roll around and be like, I'm not in the zone to play this right now. Do I just, in the middle of the day at noon, like fire it up while I hear kids screaming in the background

and my wife balancing plates on her head? Honey, I'm sorry. It's work. I don't know what the hell to do. Two calls. Two calls. Are you streaming that? No, but it's pretty good practice.

Research, research, research. I may have to stream it just so I can use that as an excuse to make it be work. But yeah, I don't know. This is something that I've been struggling with for a while, and I don't see an end in sight, uh, until the kids are driving. I know. It sounds like that's not going to affect it. I always feel like work and also like how you spend your leisure time. It ends up just being like water.

It just fills up whatever container you allow it. And like you give you, I have an hour or I have 27 minutes or I have five hours like that. I have that same paralysis no matter what happens. Let me ask you this. I want to minutes or I have five hours like that. I have that same paralysis no matter what happens. Let me ask you this. I want to get into the show, but like at night, whether you have kids or not, but like at night, I'll tell you what I do is like,

I sit down with Samantha and we watch garbage TV or we talk or anything. Like I never, unless we're recording, like just say, I'm going to go in my room and play games. I'm like that's our time together I do that and she's always like if you want to go play your games go play your fucking game I don't care you want to go watch the Mandalorian since you only ever got three episodes in go for it she doesn't say that because she doesn't know what the Mandalorian is but if she did that's something she would say

but I just feel too I'm like I can't do it so I just I sit there with her and we watch our shows but I'm like man even just one night a week, I could have some fun. But I would just sit in my room being like, should I read this? Should I read that? Should I play this? Should I do this?

Should I watch this? We have too many options. Yeah. We have too many options. It's an overload of content. For sure. When you can have anything you want at any moment, it creates a situation like that. When we have Blockbusterbuster that wasn't a problem

you set aside your time you go to blockbuster you see like what they have in it's like oh that's new you pick that and it's like that's what you're watching tonight that's your whole evening you know it that's how the way it was and we liked it let me tell you about married couple nirvana, entertainment nirvana. I call it Rue souls. It's when I play dark souls on the TV and angel fires up RuPaul's drag race on the laptop. And I get to look over, watch some RuPaul be like, that is a toot of a dress.

I love it. Let's move on. Kill some, some, some undead, some hollows and dark souls we both have our time we're both spending time together russells yeah you're fine that you have a weird dreamscape that's both rupaul's drag race and dark souls combined i'm telling you if i had a

if i had millions of dollars i would make a rupaPaul's Drag Race Dark Souls clone. And it would be amazing. It would be so fierce. It would be so fierce. Dark Paul. I think, I didn't say thing. It was like, Samantha,

when we sit there, when I'm with my Samantha, and she'll watch Below Decks, and I'll be in the room playing Solaris. I call it Below Solaris. There you go. Yeah, it's awesome. Same thing.

You trademarked that? I just did. That does sound nice. You know what doesn't sound nice? What would that be, Troy? Taking four episodes to get through that one combat. And then still not defeating the enemy. Still not facing.

Oh, man. I mean, it's tough because I really like to keep these episodes to an hour. But towards the end here, I want to make sure we're getting enough. We're giving enough bang for our buck. And we're also making progress. And it's hard. We just have enough bang for our buck. And we're also making progress. And it's hard. We just have so many things going on. It's hard to record like a two hour apps all the time, even 90 minute apps. We just we have too much, too much happening too many shows. But I do think

two things are happening. One, trying to stick to that one hour is making it hard to make legit progress in high level. And two, I, I am just, I'm torn between being in a, a, being in no rush to get to these other encounters that I know they're going to be difficult in the end of the book and having to wrap this up. Like, there's a part of me that's sort of procrastinating that because of the amount of work and the amount of weight there is to that in my brain. But there's also this part of me that is like, torn because I do want to finish this and finish it soon. So I don't have to think about Giant Slayer anymore. So it's it's it's I'm weighing these things in my head, and I'm having a really hard time grappling with it. I think there's some people thinking we're

stalling to like, you know, because GCP 2.0 isn't ready. And they're like, that couldn't be further from the truth. GCP 2.0 is happening much later. We're pretty much ready with 1.5. So that's not the case. I just, there's this push and pull happening. Like I'm in no rush to get through this because I want to put off having to like, enter the mental space of the end game uh but i also want to make sure we're making progress and that's hard it's hard isn't that routine in a long-term campaign right i mean it's pretty routine i think it's pretty natural to be coming up to the end and being like i want to finish and i don't want to finish equally all at the same time yeah you know for whatever reasons you have aq for any player or gm yeah back when like i had a theater company and we were doing shows And I don't want to finish equally all at the same time. Yeah. You know, for whatever reasons you have.

For any player or GM. Yeah, back when I had a theater company and we were doing shows all the time, rehearsals were, no one ever wanted to start rehearsals. It was like, we'd get there and we'd just bullshit. And it's kind of what we do, because that was so much better than having to do it. And our director, Paul Paul would always say, it's just, it's, it's,

it's all fear. Every, you just wanting to bullshit and talk like that's all fear. Cause you don't want to, you don't want to get up there and do it. You don't want to get up there and have to start the work. And, and,

and I think that's, that's why I belabor this sometimes. Cause it is fear. It's fear of it. Not, not input. I wouldn't put too much stock in that because that dude paul is the worst it's not true he's awful you mean dark paul

dark paul returns dark paul two scholar of the first sin there are some people that Joe just doesn't jive with but Paul is one of them because Paul's the type of guy that just likes getting responses out of people

because he finds it interesting and so he'll act weird just because it'll end up being in his next play Paul's a brilliant artist but he is

he's not for everybody it was like Troy's friend was Tom Green or something like it's not it's not amusing like he'd be hanging out with everybody and he would just be an unbelievable asshole the whole time. I was like, this guy's the worst.

And Troy's like, that's my friend, my good buddy. I was like, really? All right. That guy kept me alive when I didn't have any money in grad school. He would buy me pizza. He gave me a shirt off his back. Actually, he did. I didn't have a winter coat. My first year in New York, I couldn't afford one.

And he gave me this tattered old trench coat that I would wear with a disc man in the pocket listening to Ziggy Stardust on repeat. And I would always switch it up to listen to the Flaming Lips. Those are the only two CDs that I would listen to in the winter in that coat that I wore

until it fell off. So you were staggering around New York looking like a serial killer? At least you had some good tunes in your pocket. Besides some good tunes. Watch your mouth when you're talking about Paul! Dark Paul. He's better than you'll ever be! Paul.

But anyways, I think that's what's happening here. know and and i shouldn't be worried because when i look back at the androids finale it's one of the best things i think we ever did talk about sticking the landing i think that that was just a beautiful a beautiful end to that story and and as i start to see the end of this even though i don't know how it's going to uh shake out who's going to be there. And character-wise and whatnot, I can see it, and I know it's going to be beautiful and very, very different from what we did with Androids.

But there's just a part of me that is definitely, I can admit, afraid of these final few, not even just encounters like fighting, but these final few set pieces. So you are stalling i think so i think is that what you just talked yourself around to the exact thing the community suggested is correct i'm you know but i'm not stalling because of like gcp 2.0 yeah because of business yeah i'm not stalling because of business we could end giant slayer tomorrow and i know exactly what's going to be we have it ready to go, what's happening after that. But like I'm – I think there's a part of me that it's really this push and pull.

I really want to get through this. And even though we're spending so much time talking up top, I want to get into it and spend a little extra time this week because I don't want to lose a week. But I think there's just a part of me that's just like uh put both like i've got my foot on the brakes the whole time uh because and then maybe there's an emotional part of me that doesn't want it to end yeah uh you know i think that but by foot on the brake you mean like shielding the brake like you're ready to hit it all the time you're not actually hitting the brakes you're just kind of like riding the scenery i've got a big fat foot on both the accelerator and the brake at the same time destroying the vehicle

burn out your pads dude maybe that's what's happening to the show that's what that smoke smell is so anyways just wanted to talk about all that we have a lot going on it's fun to chat.

The last month, you fought this Naga. Well, can I just say something here? I feel I am trying to withhold my classic Joe O'Brien, like, first few years of the campaign rage. It's truly not there. I've snuffed it down quite a bit because in service of story, and I really do like the way things worked out with

drawing the failed Will save to myself instead of to Metra. I think that we're all in a better position because Sir Will is confused and Metra isn't permanently confused and Metra isn't. But that fight is so much faster if he's not confused. And that Naga is deadsville because there's only one thing that he is built for. And that is burst single hit damage against evil creatures where he just puts on a ton of damage and so i if he just

wasn't confused i'm like he could have been in such a fantastic position to do a lot of damage to that creature without needing a full attack action you know so uh i just i i'm super bummed at that and i think that that contributed to the naga getting away it's just that there was one of your characters was out of it the entire time and it was the paladin who can smite evil so actually i think it speaks well of the encounter design because at high level play i feel like the rb complaint is like everything's a full attack action right it's like you stand in back but this because of the way the naga popped in now those baskets like you weren't allowed a full attack action so it did draw it out but it also made you had to think we had to think a little more creatively yeah it's a cool enemy but yeah yeah the chaos of the prismatic spray i

guess is fun uh for for people i guess it's an interesting like they're just a pure cat you have no idea what's going to happen in the encounter uh that that is that is interesting but the i know i did like i did enjoy the encounter what i'm just just frustrated by is like, let's look back. I don't know, 10 or 15 episodes or so when we when Sir Will got knocked into the shoot. Like that was an example of a fight where he's completely ineffective because we're fighting like beasts, right? Like neutral beasts. And he's like, he can't do anything. There is no there's like one more perfect enemy in all of existence than a Naga for a paladin.

You know what I mean? It's just like, this is the one that deserves my wrath, my justice. And so I was bummed to not be able to act normally more often. Yeah, letting the Naga get away is so bad, you know, and you know that. You know what she can do. You know that if you rest, then she gets to rest too. And that's just knowing that she's out there watching you and it could strike at any moment is terrifying. You could be caught in another battle and she shows up and just, good night. I mean, it's real bad. And it didn't have to be that way. But for those rolls under 50 against displacement, Barron had her dead to rights for two rounds. And Nestor as well had a couple that failed because of the 50% mischance.

Brutal. Brutal. But this is where we're at. After you started chasing her up there, you left Sir Will behind because obviously he's still confused. And then you went to the next level. It's a room that looks almost identical to the room where you fought the Naga and the room where you fought the Mithril Golem and the Water Elementals. Obviously, there's no baskets in that room. It's a big bookcase. And then another

staircase leading up. At the end of the episode, Metra just went through the ceiling to go look at the next level. While you came to the realization that the Naga is gone, as in you're out of combat, you did find another room, an observatory with a huge telescope and a domed ceiling outside which there is thunder and lightning and rain pelting the glass. But now you're separated from your party and Sir Will is still permanently insane. What the hell do you guys want to do? permanently insane. What the hell do you guys want to do? So I'm incorporeal for a total of 10 rounds. You want to see that room?

I didn't show it to you last week. Yeah, let's see that room. You know, I can show you that room. Maybe I'll do the thing where only you can see it. I think that's what you did last week, right? Fancy. Yeah, but I didn't do it for this particular floor. Ooh, is that a telescope, or are you just happy to see me?

It sure is. A little bit of both. A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B. This has got to be... It's a telescope. And... You've got the stained glass ceiling, the sound of rain pelting the glass, thunder peals in the background, and the telescope itself

is on a massive wheeled trolley on tracks that runs full circle around the room. So the operator can just at any point swing it around and look in any direction, with the exception of the direction that points to the northwest, which is a sort of narrow hallway leading to the northwest. Okay, I would like to first look through the telescope at what was last. I'll just fly over the telescope and take a peek through. Fly over the telescope and take a peek through. Fly over the telescope and peek through. You imagine if you ever could find a way to remove this thing from its tracks,

you could sell it for a shit ton of gold. But you do not know how to take this giant thing out. It'd be like going to the Griffith Observatory and being like, I'll take that, please. And just carrying that on your back down the Hollywood Hills. Sounds like it'd be a good hike. Good workout. Only Grant could pull off a feat of strength of that nature.

You have to fly up. You have to fly up to look through the lens itself because you're just a tiny human. I'm not a human, but I see your point. Tiny humanoid figure. It's like looking through a portal of a ship. It's not like putting your eye up to a

small hole. And you look out and you see all of Avistan below. Ooh. It has a perfect, perfect view of everything below. In fact, you know it's dark when you look up, and you know that it's raining,

but when you look through here, all of that isn't visible. So there must be some sort of magical effect on this telescope to allow you to see perfectly clearly without any obscurities of light or weather conditions. That's cool. That's awesome. Yeah, while you look up and just see rain, you know, rain coming down and see cracks. When you look here, it looks like a beautiful clear day. Not a cloud in the sky.

And you see, you know, all of us down below. All right. I cannot interact with it because I am incorporeal. But I will. Okay, next round I will fly over to the northwest passage to take a look through I'll stand at the lip of the door Okay The threshold, what the hell is a lip of a door?

I am very sick of that, I'm sorry The old lip, eh? I was trying Last night, we were up Kayla and I were up very very late with the baby And I was trying for Last night, Kayla and I were up very, very late with the baby, and I was trying for the life of me to explain what it meant when my phone was not on silent. Like, I could not come up with a word to describe what it meant.

It's a ringy. It's a ringy, ringy mode. I settled on noisy. My phone is on noisy. I settled on noisy. My phone is on noisy. All right. So what round are you in out of how many rounds here? I think we had, what, two or three rounds for me to get up to this level in the last episode.

Yeah. Because you're still incorporeal, but you're not invisible or you are invisible? No, I'm just incorporeal. I believe there's also several of me, right? Do I still have a mirror? There's a whole bunch of me. They're all incorporeal. Okay. You look down this walkway.

It's kind of like a suspended gallery. This walkway, it's kind of like a suspended gallery. It's a long, narrow gallery, and it's illuminated by a row of circular stained glass windows on each side of this hallway that continues to stretch to the northwest. And you look out the windows from where you're standing, and you see that this sort of catwalk isn't the right word, but think in terms of catwalk. Like you can see, it hangs over the roof of the castle. But just up to the north on the right side, if you were to walk through, you see that a huge gap has been blasted open by what looks like a tremendous impact on the eastern wall. And then you think back to what Renfall told you and what you saw. This was probably from the attack on Zephyr Hall when they were bombarding it with rocks and whatnot to take it over. Walking through here and in the observatory, just so you know,

you are exposed. Okay. Alright. I'm good. I'm gonna go back. I'll descend through the floor. Okay. Are these beds that I'm seeing in what you reveal on the map? No, those are the circular stained glass windows. Those are the

windows. Okay. Yeah, and then the big hole there you see. Yeah. Okay, I will drop down through the floor, uh, tell Baron and Nestor that the Naga has escaped, and then let's go return to Sir Will. See what we can do with, uh, with that fellow. Escape? What do you mean?

She disappeared. Can't find her. I can't detect her. There's no sign of her. She might have gone into a pocket dimension. Oh, come on, surely. I can't detect her. There's no sign of her. She might have gone into a pocket dimension. Oh, come on, surely. You'd be better than that. Would you like to look? No, I can't. I'm not a super space wizard like you are. It's your job. It's to do things like this and like, you know, when there's magic involved,

you're the person we call to sort it out. This is not sorted. It's true, it's not sorted. That big magic snake is out there. You saw what it did to the little fella. You could do that to any one of us. We've got to take care of this thing, you know? I used all the abilities I had at my...

I can't speak. I used all the abilities I had to destroy it. It wasn't enough. We'll see the abilities I had to destroy it. It wasn't enough. We'll see her again soon, I'm sure. And Nestor spits and walks down the stairs. Oh, I'm sorry.

Have I irritated you, Nestor Coin? Yeah, yeah. No, honestly, yeah. Yeah, I mean, at least not you, but it's this thing, it's like it was impossible. This thing was impossible to kill.

We've got to finish this thing off. As it comes back, you know, the next day or two, at a bad time, it's all that rainbow thing that it did. If it does that again, you know, gods know what could happen that's true esther uh could you head downstairs while i have a quick word with metra i'd like to give her a performance appraisal if that's all right with you but i'd like to do it

in private i agree with you though i'm not magical at all i just like certain expectations you can do magic and say that's all I'm saying. You're right. You're right, though. She, she failed us. And then as Nestor walks down the stairs,

as Nestor walks down the stairs, Baron, Baron waits and waits, and is like, listen, he's just insecure because he failed, too.

I failed. I had the chance to kill this thing a million times. Don't let him anger you, man. Lady. Metro. What are you? You're an enigma. I'm acting like a crazy lady.

Crazy space wizard. I was staring right at Matthew's face when I said that, and I just saw the beautiful bearded man. Anyway. Metro, don't let him get you down though it's just you know we're all tense I think I felt it try to take me over I think it

just like it did Nestor he feels violating to have your mind taken over like that. Like what's happening to Will now. Oh, yeah, we should see about him. Yeah. Well, anyway, as you walk down the stairs, I think you should look real sad and upset.

Like I really told you what for, okay? Okay, okay. Wait, should I be angry at you for this performance evaluation? Should I know in my heart you were right, but also have reacted defensively? I think that your face is a landscape of emotions, and you can tell whatever story you need to when we get downstairs, Metra. All right, so when we walk downstairs, Metra's face is a landscape of emotions. downstairs metra all right so when we walk downstairs metra's face is a landscape of emotion and if you were to look at it you would probably guess that baron gave her talking to and she might

have made a few good points but ultimately she knew baron was right and had to accept the truth of his words and is going to endeavor to do better the next time but also if you really really look she's kind of pissed at nestor sense motive now let me ask you this because what i'm not interested in doing is having joe roll every six seconds to see what sir will state of mind is but the reality is he's permanently insane he's volatile i'm much more interested in role playing that and role playing how you're going to deal with that. So, Nestor, as you come down the stairs, you see Sir Will

before he sees you, we'll say. And, Sir Will, what is going on? How does this play out for you as you have summoned Lexington back? Lexington's been on a trip. He's got like a suitcase with a bunch of stickers on it like an old Looney Tunes

cartoon. Albuquerque and Timbuktu. What do you do? You just once in a while punch in Lexington? Punch in yourself? Shadow boxing Lexington. No, I think Nestor comes downstairs and if we leave it where we left off last week,

if Nestor comes down, you know leave it where we left off last week if Nestor comes down you know in just a few minutes after I think he sees Sir Will is trying to mount Lexington but Lexington is like shying away and being not being cooperative he's just like what's wrong with you

come on get under here they need our help they need our help before we go below and he's just like trying to get on Lexington, and Lexington's kind of fighting him. But then he gives up the fight, and Sir Will manages to mount him. He gets on, and he just blinks his eyes, and he looks around.

He looks at you, and he's just like, Yes, sir? Where are the others? We must continue on. and he looks around, looks at you, and he's just like, Yes, sir? Where are the others? We must continue on. They're on their way. Listen, how are you feeling, like, in this? If you were to characterize the next six seconds of your life,

how would you do so? The next my life. Yeah, well, the current versus versus the next Like the current six seconds You don't need worry What are your attitudes towards me and the dog? At this moment Towards you and the dog You in particular

Lester, I I am concerned, if I'm honest I'm concerned that you Perhaps may not know the weight of your actions. There are times when even sinking to do something so terrible

as you've done just now will not avail you the sort of pleasure you seek. Right, I could go either way. What do you think about the dog? The dog. The dog is extremely uncooperative, and if he does not get in line, we will have to resume discipline training.

Listen, mate, we don't have a lot of time. You have been... Of course we don't. The people of Trunau need us. So, when do we get there? I'm just going to keep talking to you until you become lucid all right you've been affected by some sort of uh magical effect and you've uh you've gone bonkers it's not possible i'm afraid i am protected by just gonna keep talking bye and he looks around I feel fine

right okay but you realize that in certain moments you go completely insane and he's just like kind of like creeping up stepping up like slowly and he's just like I propose that and again just gonna keep talking until some of this gets through

that we tie you up so that you are safe you're not a danger to yourself or to us no no and he pulls back and he pulls on the reins of Lexington and like drops him back a few steps not possible

sheriff sheriff he's trying to take me dog you're on my side right at this moment I think Sheriff! Sheriff, he's trying to take me! You hear a noise shouting from below. Right at this moment, I think Metra and Baron are walking down the stairs, the circular stairs wrapping down the tower, so we're up at an elevated angle watching this.

Sheriff! It has happened! Della! He has turned! He has turned against us! And he starts, like, creeping back. Now, Sir Will, it's not every day I get to say this. I happen to agree with Nestor in this moment. It would be best for everyone if you relaxed and let us take the reins. That's all I'm asking for.

I'm not asking... Why are you speaking to me as if I'm a fool? You will not take the reins? Certainly not. No, this man has tricked me. He has tricked all of you. Once we were going to delve deep, deep into the tomb, but now he's trying to stop it.

We must get there. We must get there soon. Sir Will, look into your heart, if you can. Have I ever given you a reason to not trust me? There is only one reason to trust you, Sheriff. One reason. What's that? And he just sort of stares off into the distance for a second.

And he comes back. He's like, when we walk together, we walk alone. That is what you've always said. He pulls out a sword. Ching. Oh boy.

Sucking away. And he's pointing at Nestor. I'm serious. Backing away. Sir Will, roll a will save. He's sticking away and he's pointing at Nestor. I'm serious. Like backing away.

Sir Will, roll a will save. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. All right. Oh, I love this. I want to see artwork of this. Like the poor, the poor little halfling. The fear in his eyes. 26.

All right. Nothing happens. Yeah. And he shakes his head. It was a long shot. But you seem to be casting something, though, as you shake it off. You're trying your mind tricks on me. I don't have mind tricks.

As that happens and as that fails, you see a full round action pass. And Baron uses targeting to shoot the weapon out of his hand. Oh, boy. Nice. That is a use of grit. I will use it off of my sheet you just see from this higher angle and he'll use you know he'll just he's walking down the stairs to get within like 40 feet so we'll change that on the map and i'll tell you if you get any save i don't think you do

well it's an attack roll right yeah yep this is against um it's a tackle okay so i'll roll to hit within 40 feet of you i'll put on halfling bane give myself a little bonus give myself a little bum bum um that is a 35 against Teche C. Yeah, so he has the sword out, he's backing up, and then this bullet hits his mailed fist and the sword within it, and he

drops it to the ground, and he's just like, They've taken you! They've taken you all! And he starts, like, riding away into the castle, into the lower floor, like, fleeing. And you can see Lexington is bucking the castle, into the, into the lower floor, like fleeing. And you can see Lexington is bucking, bucking at him.

And he's obviously, I'm going to roll a ride check, uh, to see if he, if he stays on, uh, 27. So yeah, he stays on and he just starts going out of the room. No, you don't. You disappear off of Lexington's back. Cause I banish, I banish you into an interdimensional maze. In ten minutes, you'll be back. And hopefully you'll be calmer.

No save. That'll calm his emotions. His mental strife. If I'd be banished to another dimension dimension often calms me down you know what we all need a break from this castle well maybe the international dimension the uh the other dimension is like a waiting room in an auto parts shop like a like a broken tv and like maybe that would calm him down maybe he likes that yeah maybe he likes that uh no i'll just say real quick in this extra dimensional space he is just uh he he looks around he sees that

he's lost lexington uh and he just starts, like, wailing, kind of in anger. And he starts, like, pounding on any walls he sees, and is running, and is just, like, really losing it. Yeah. Well, we can take these ten minutes to now arrange ourselves so we can surround him and perhaps prevent him from escaping, and also talk him down when he returns. prevent him from escaping and also talk him down when he returns while sir will is gone baron pulls jerky out of his pocket and says come here lexington come here come here and he trots over lexington knows what's up yeah and he's just feeding him and like i'm sorry this is he's talking to lexington like he understands even though he can't respond like anyone would talk to a dog it's not his dog but as his friend's dog he knows him well

lex and i'm sorry we'll get him right um just help us wrangle him up if you know you know i don't know if you've ever seen a sheep dog but same idea basically and baron's plan is to continue to like shoot any weapon out of Sir Will's hand so that if he attacks, he just has to use his fists. He knows, like, that would pose less danger to him, to us, to everyone. And then he informs Nestor and Metro of these plans and says, like, after he's disarmed,

what do y'all want to do? I remember on my sheet that I have the lyre of building. So while he's gone, Metric maybe will strum the lyre and build a little masonry wall that surrounds where Sir Will was with an open doorway so he can only go one direction. And that way we can kind of contain him and then disarm him, whatever we need to do. I mean, he's effectively disarmed. Yeah, he's disarmed. His sword and lance are both in the room with you. Oh, great.

So I guess we'll collect those. Nessar's planning on tackling him and hog-tying him. It's probably the only option. You know, trying to talk him down, those words are only going to reach him 25% of the time. Well, that was what I was hoping to do, was say, like, get to that one

quarter of the time when he's lucid, and say, like, hey, quickly, like, you know what's happening, let me tie you up before you go crazy again. I like that. Yeah, but if that doesn't work, then I'm just going to hog time. And I was following Skid's lead, just trying to go the softer way towards talking him into just giving up as he was lucid. So I was getting what Skid was putting down.

So I was hoping he would voluntarily in that moment realize how messed up his situation was and those moments of clarity like maybe had a memory of what happened prior what's that movie where it's a very sad moment they're like tackling someone and they're tying them up or like holding them down I think they're going

they're losing it and their loved one is like just they can't watch it's a real emotional scene. It's something recent. Fisher King? No, not the Fisher King. Air Bud. Midnight Express.

I can just picture the guys on the ground going, no, no. And it's so sad that they have to do it. Are you thinking of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? No, I mean, that was the first one I thought, but this isn't it. It's much sadder. A Star is Born starring Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga? Oh, I can't remember. But I imagine that's what this is going to be like

because he might say, like, okay, do what you got to do, and then a second later, it's, don't leave me alone. It's just really sad. Yeah. So ten minutes pass, and you appear.

He returns, but now he's in a walled box basically it's open there's an open doorway that we can talk to him through but he can only go out that one way I have returned oh my psyche they spoke to me there they told me

they told me of your treachery he's like wide eyed and he comes like trying to struggle out of the door alright Alright, I'm gonna tackle him and try to tackle him. Lexington! Help me against these foes! And Lexington, like, with Nestor, just, like, jumps on Sir Will. We dogpile. Yeah, and Lexington

just, like, bam! And, like, nails Sir Will down with his paws and, yeah. And he's just, like, fighting against it. I tried to cast Hold Monster on you, by the way. That's what I was like. Maybe there's a way to restrain you where we can talk to you

and you'll eventually hear us. It's so tough with his will saves, though. I thought about giving myself a penalty. I just don't know what that penalty would be and his saves are so high. So, all right. So I'm just going to roll a couple times here just in general, just to check.

Yeah, I'm trying to do everything I can to not have you guys roll initiative. I think it's more fun to kind of free play this a little bit because we know what the result's going to be. I'm just curious if you're going to hurt any of them. Right, rather than round by round, I'm just going to kind of do minute by minute or something like that, and just we get it resolved. Well, I rolled a 40 on my CMB. That's good and then i rolled a 93 so i'm just gonna say you know he's still he's still fighting he's just still ah um and then you know once you

have him down you just have to maintain with a plus five bonus i think and then you could pretty much hog time uh and then I rolled a 92. So yeah, he's still fighting. He's just fighting while Nestor is tackling him. And then I imagine the rest of you help him hogtie Sir Will. Oh, God. Horrible. The Wall of Force is gone, which is nice.

That's only rounds per level. And it wasn't made permanent, thankfully. So you don't have to use teleport to get through there. on that previous floor, because remember, you beat the Mithril Golem, and then you went over and used the Gloves of Reconnaissance on that door to the north and saw that it led to an outside platform that kind of turned off to the right with another large building. But you were like, fuck that, I don't want to get knocked off into open air.

And then you listened at another door just near there and you realized that one led outside as well, but you don't know where. Maybe another way around. You can't tell. That's all that's left on that previous floor, and then there's several staircases

and then that hidden ladder that you guys found that Metra went up on. So where are you at right now? Do you need to rest? You know what the ramifications of that are, but you also know how badly you may be hurt after back-to-back fights. I mean, we definitely

need to heal. Yeah, we need to heal. So how do we want to play that with Sir Will? I mean, he's down half of his HP and has plenty of healing magic. You know, do we just want to say that... I mean, at a certain point, odds are he's going to become lucid for enough

time to sort of understand why he's tied up but like, I mean, he can cast some heal spells, like I don't... Surely there'll be a six second period where we can explain and you'll understand. Yeah. And then several six second periods later where you could channel or whatever you need to do. Do you need your hands to channel? Yes, you do.

You need to brandish your holy symbol. Uh, you need to present Your holy, well You can just lay on hands Um Yeah It's a tough situation We also need to figure Cause he can't rest really

So We need to figure, we need Maybe you don't need the hog time maybe maybe there's a way i disagree i disagree i'm not saying it's not done now i'm just saying maybe you can undo it like once he is subdued and then has a few lucid moments and you can explain to him maybe then it's just a matter of in the less lucid moments you know I think that he could not be so aggressive against you but just be confused you know what I mean

though I get what you're saying like mechanically it's tough mechanically he's attacking do damage to yourself that's a combat I don't think in fact I think it's not enough to tie him up I think we need to beat him unconscious just to be certain otherwise he could really hurt himself it's the only way he can truly rest is if you do enough non-lethal damage or

lethal uh to bring him to zero uh or negative one so he falls unconscious and then let him just let him sleep it off and then he'll regain his level plus con and hit points and you can start your next journey hang on he can rest there's no reason there's no reason yeah exactly like that restful sleep well actually sleep but the um but what do we want to do about healing troy are you all right with him using healing magic to heal the party uh yeah for sure because every once in a while he's going to do that but how does it work? You have to somatic components? He just has to lay on... Well, channel energy would be better.

I don't want to be awful, but I don't think he can. Do you know what I mean? Because if I... If you were to untie yourself to be able to cast those spells, then in those moments, you're going to be attacking yourself, attacking them. I'd say I'd let you lay on hands to yourself, yourself because you could still like well tied up go

yeah you know or like you can even lay hands on them but casting might be tricky you can talk me into it i just think it's going to be hard it's not a somatic component channeling it's just you just have to present the holy yeah channeling you should okay then fine yeah yeah uh and it doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity so it's not like a spell yeah i don't want to hamstring it too much i just want to try it's a supernatural ability without digging into the every six seconds rolling i want to just try and stay loyal to that okay uh well then i'll do channel just everybody put yourself at full if we're gonna rest i have so many let's say i don't know that we want to rest it would be better if we could

you expend those healing yeah okay we could do it uh let's do it off air real fast great all right that will uh well i'm not all the way full but metra and baron you guys are all the way full yes yeah and uh i i use six channels to lay on hands uh so i still have a few more for today but i'm still down a few hp and sir will is bound is he walking is lexington free or is he bound on top of lexington like that's kind of fun trotting along throw you over the top top of Lexington like a sack of potatoes. Yeah. That's how Red Dead Redemption 2.

I'm okay now. Truly. Truly, I feel fine. No, don't listen to him. I still think we should beat him unconscious. Well, think about this. As long as the dog doesn't object. Think about this here.

Like, is your plan to just trot along, and if get into combat how are you going to release him or are you just going to let him stay tied up and hope for the best i think uh here's a possible solution i can cast fly on sir will will tie a note to his body explain the situation and then we just drop him out the moon door and hope that there's a high level cleric below want Want to take a vote? You and I will abstain. You could just randomly drop out of the sky in Galarian and land near a 17th level cast. That's literally true. I mean, we'll explain as such on the note that you were a knight.

You were a godly knight who needs the assistance of a high-level caster. I think Nestor would vote no for the reason that he wouldn't want to waste the fly spell. That's pretty good. Or the note. Or the ink. Or the ink. The paper. He didn't write the...

So, did we talk about this? Is there a way that Renfall could help us here? I can't remember if he has any powers beyond reciting the menu at Denny's. You need, at this point you would know, you need greater restoration, heal, limited wish, miracle, or wish. Do you wish now that you took limited wish Matthew I don't actually you made it very clear when I was when that option came up that it would not go my way considering the

ability of the GM to influence what happens not a big Troy spell but I'm working on it I've never, I've never been in a game where any of those spells were cast. I've just never played them on a high level. You've seen greater restoration in play, haven't you? I've seen greater restoration? Haven't you? I don't think so. We've had

restoration, but limited wish, I don't even know what you guys are talking about. Is it very GM-y? It's like, whatever the GM thinks is a good wish for you to wish for well there are specific examples laid out in the text but but yeah well what's nice is like it says duplicate any non-sorcerer or wizard spell of six fifth fourth level or lower and so for example greater restoration is one of those spells yes but then there's the the bullet Produce any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects,

such as a single creature automatically hitting on its next attack or taking a minus seven penalty. Anyway, it just felt like I wouldn't get the most out of that spell. I don't like Matthew getting creative, so I think you made the right choice. Weird things happen when he starts getting creative. weird things happen when he starts getting creative but greater restoration is a 7th level cleric oracle shaman or shaman spell

cleric oracle or shaman spell so you kind of have to rely on A. is Renfall one of those things do you have any evidence of that? I was going to say or B. does he have access to at least be able to do that? Or any of those other spells?

Wish, limited wish, miracle. Miracle is cleric oracle. This is a phenomenal idea, Skid, because he is absolutely going to be able to do this. A hundred percent. Because he is an absolute badass. And if I'm not mistaken, doesn't he play the harp? Doesn't he play the harp? He was

in the E Street Band, actually. As their harpist. He's definitely a cleric. If you were playing a harp, you're a cleric. Or is he a bard? By his initial introduction, he is a priest of Gozeret and chief cloud engineer. I imagine he became a very high level chief of Gozeret before he became a cloud engineer. Oh, he's a priest of gozra and chief cloud engineer i imagine he became a very high

level chief of gozra before he became a cloud engineer he's a priest a priest of gozra yeah yeah surely surely he would have some insight or at least some coupons for the early bird special i kind of feel like that uh he uh screwed himself over by building this castle in defiance of the gods will flying above the ground like this. So he got what he deserved and we should just give up. This is so interesting. I'm reading limited wish and you said the greater restoration is a seventh level spell. And I'm like, well, the highest level that you can duplicate with limited wish is a sixth level spell. So I'm just like, why is it even listed in that thing?

And then all the way at the bottom of limited wish, it says, undo the harmful effects of many spells, such as insanity. And it picks that one out specifically. I guess they were just meant to be balanced as an offsetting sort of thing, but wow. You know, so if he is a cleric, you're hoping he's of a level

that can cast the spells that you need. I mean, cleric would be great because then he can, even if he doesn't have access to it, he could the next day. But because he's so volatile. Can we just call him? Yeah, can we just call him? And we'll be like, Redfog! Well, the times you've seen him is when you've come upon things that were important to him. All right, let's go to the restaurant. And it's for my life. you've seen him is when you've come upon things that were important to him.

Alright, let's go to the restaurant and wait for him to come back. So you're kind of just hoping that you stumble upon that. But what do you do with Sir Will? Do you kind of do the thing where I let you pre-buff anything that's minutes or hours, but if you want to pre-buff something that's rounds,

you've got to do it and then open the door so you do you do that with sir will you kind of keep them tied up and then like we're going to go into this next room untie him open the door and hope for the best because if it you're if you walk into a room and you enter combat somebody's got to take a full round action to untie will and i would say a full round action is enough to do it i have a i have a possible solution to this problem i just let's let's have some fun here. This is bad. This is bad. This is bad.

I would grant that with Grant's profession. Will you have a profession of fisherman, Grant? Yes. I knew that would come back. He would know some knots. He would know some creative sailor's knots. Hell yeah, I would. And if he could tie a knot that I could pull with a mage hand.

It's a standard action. Standard action mage hand to free Will in combat. Well, you know what we need. Grant, would you please give me a Progression Fisherman roll? Oh, wow. Mark it, dude. Episode 312. Get that spider poison out.

Get that spider poison out. And if Sir Will gets out of of line you always have the spider poison another option grant just throwing it out there you know that through that door to the north leads to the outside you could just cast a fishing rod over there and see if you catch a cleric that can cast greater restoration i want to congratulate you in the uh now closing in on almost a decade of my knowing you. I think this is the greatest showing of personal growth I've ever seen. Finally, finally, profession fisherman.

I could have been a muckraker. That's what Ragblood Tusk wanted me to be. Could have been a muckraker. No, not a muckraker. Stable mucker. Stable mucker. Stable mucking. Don't be right.

I wasn't a journalist. I wasn't a journalist trying to anyway i don't remember that moment when when troy literally leaned across the table like how about you dwarf stable mucking the other the other thing to to entertain is is a Sir Will that is 75% of the time actively useless or harmful to the party more useful than one that's just tied up and waiting in the corner? Share your thoughts. I want to hear your thoughts. I think that he is because I actually think just the nature of his build and everything. because I actually think just the nature of his build and everything,

I feel like he can't really do a lot of damage to nearly anyone without actively taking multiple steps. Like, just swinging doesn't really do much for him. And you guys, with the exception of Nestor, I mean, all being good or neutral, he just can't deal out a lot of damage to you. So I think even if he's hitting you, you're talking about maybe single digits of damage if he attacks if he attacks you um also if you get hit by the enemy you by the rules of confusion you'll attack the enemy right exactly and i'm just like hoping for that like 25 chance that i can act

normally one round and get off a smite evil you know what i mean and then just like go in and attack those two that to me is worth it um because i really don't think the negative effects would would affect you guys that much you've swayed the sheriff's opinion here comes the much vaunted much anticipated profession fisherman roll come on plus nine well no hold on hold on no it's already in the box i understand but here's how i think we should do it troy you tell me okay this isn't a situation where you're like, I can't get the knot. Like, I think you have to just say what it is. Troy has the DC in his head.

And we don't know if the knot's going to un-pull or not in one shot until we're in there. You know what I mean? That's kind of funny. What'd you roll, Grant? Baron feels confident, but is not certain certain as Joe has just pointed out that this will work rolled an 18 on the die for a 27 ooh

that feels pretty good to me that feels good to me is a pretty good knot that you feel like it might be the knot you need I love it the knot you need should be the episode title the knot you need I love it I love it The Not You Need should be the episode title

The Not You Need or just the not.com could also work for that The Not You Need I love it but you just might find since I've heard The Not You Need

The Not You Need The Not That You Need The Not That You Need is there a children's choir all around the corner sir will has spasmodically healed himself and all of you. You've tied him up in this exquisite knot that brings you back. To your days along the shores with the river ask. The river ask. Yes. On the chalice.

That's right. with the mountain river ask the river ask yes and on the chalice that's right he's been tied up for enough time now that you uh that he's he's stopped struggling constantly and and he's had a couple lucid moments you know we used to told him what's going on and now you're working on this very specific knot and he's not fighting you at all in fact as you get close to him baron you you can you hear like a slight sniffle and then you look and you see that there's tears running down his face and they're sort of like dripping off the edge of his nose and he's just and his eyes are closed and he's just going i felt i felt the war like to himself

baron places the palm of his hand on the back of sir will's head and puts his forehead right against him at an angle and is looking eye to eye with him you haven't failed anyone sir will i know you're in there and we're gonna get you back in control

and back on the path of the righteous. It's very touching, but I don't see how this is better than knocking him out unconscious. Well, I think anyone, even if they're compromised, has a right to defend themselves

in a potential battle. Silly as it may seem, we've got to give Sir Will that right. Can I get one in, though? One good one. When am I going to get this chance again? Sir Will, come on.

Be a sport. Wait, what was I supposed to do? Let you knock me out. Alright, wherever you guys want to go. I'm following behind. So what do we rule? That the gloves of reconnaissance do work? So maybe if that's the case,

then let's look through the doors to the east. Yeah, so I can't remember, but if you were saying that it's not checked on there, like I know you used it to look to the north, but then you didn't have the use to look to the east, but you think you may have rested after the Gigas fight. So you finished the Gigas, went there. I can't remember, but you're pretty good about marking your stuff.

So you want to look out the doors to the east here on the floor. It's actually in the room where you fought the Abix Gigas. Yeah. So I press my gloved hands up against the doorway. Okay. You place your

gloved hands on that door and you see on the other side of it a small, empty platform. However, from that vantage point, you have a much better view of the space to the north, because you see that open platform to the north. Because you see that open platform to the north

that you know exists, that you have not explored, turns to the right. And there are a set of double doors leading into what looks like a shrine. Well, that sounds promising. Yeah. You can see that from, uh, from, like, looking up and to the,

up and to the left. Oh, great. Yeah, let's go, let's go through the door. Let's go through the, the doors to the north. The doors to the north. All right, so show me how you guys are approaching this door. Obviously everything's a lot more tentative because

of the Sir Will situation. We send in Sir Will first, obviously. Right, just slap Lexington's butt and he's right there. You see a giant dragon just come forward and snatch Lexington's back. Well, some problems take care of themselves, forward and snatch him off the square. He's back. Some problems take care of themselves, don't they?

Close the door. Should someone be... I guess Beren can hold on to the reins of Lexington to move him forward if Metra and Nestor want to take the door, or I can take... It doesn't really matter to me. I'm just thinking of how to handle this. Baron, I think you're already outside, so you ran out there? I thought we were through the eastern doors, so we could get a look at the...

Oh, I'm sorry. No, it was through the eastern doors. The eastern was just a small platform, but we were able to see the shrine that we could access from the northern doors. Oh, I see. Oh, I thought we were going to go through those doors to get a look at the shrine. I thought that was what was happening. Oh. Oh, well, I can tell you, Skid,

just in case it's not clear here from the map, that you see, you can see the shape of the building you don't think you'd be able to see anymore by walking out there. Okay, okay. Just looking out, you can see that the platform to the north leads to a walkway that leads east to a building that

is about, oh, 55 feet long, and it looks like a square 55 feet long building that has religious iconography that makes you think like it's some sort of shrine. Okay, that sounds promising.

Yes, if you're looking for Renfall, this could be the type of place where he would be. Alright, so why don't I stand back with Sir Will, and I can also just try to pull the knot with my hand as a move action.

So I'll stand back with Will and Lexington, and you guys want to pull the knot with my hand as a move action. So I'll stand back with Will and Lexington, and you guys want to open the door? Yeah. Barron's happy to use his perception to look for traps, but of course, Nestor, the expert trap finder, is also welcome to take a peek if he wants. Please, thank you.

That is a 38 for traps. It's more perceptive than Baron's roll. You do not see any traps, and it appears to be unlocked. Open the doors. You open the doors, and it leads out to this open-air plaza that turns to the right to this satellite building that appears to be a shrine. A set of double doors lead into there.

You do not see any creatures on this platform you look up to the skies and still rain beats down i love this scene baron wow it's so much Baron readjusts his hats so that the water is collecting on the brim and just seeking off the top it's like a scene out of Road to Perdition like all those outdoor raining scenes where Tom Hanks is wearing that big hat and he's like

plenty of pouring rain scenes yeah yeah or Roadhouse or Roadhouse also Roadhouse Or roadhouse. Or roadhouse. Also roadhouse. All right, so Baron steps out first. Big platform. The platform is larger than this building, it appears.

Yep. And as he's walking, we're going to do this slow and careful looking for traps and i'm going to detect alignment for any auras of um evil let's just say um as we walk along okay that's 60 feet just so i can wrap around here okay moves up close to the center and he's going to stay clear away from the edges. Okay. And who's following behind, or are you just letting him kind of go solo? Nestor will be about 15, 20 feet behind.

Bow out, scanning. Okay. Baron is now so paranoid he's pulling out the broom of flying and saying, follow me to it. And he sees a floating broom right behind him. Sorry, Sir Will. Sir Will looks

up at the sky and just opens his mouth. He's just letting the rain pour into it. A seagull shits in it. Delicious. I would have changed the Shawshank Redemption dramatically. What an amazing moment. All right, so Baron has trotted up to the main part of the platform. You see just a sheer drop off the edge of this.

You haven't been in many open air areas of the castle, but you know what the threat is. The winds are gusting like 21 miles an hour. Oh, that's very specific I don't like that at all just the first number I wanted to think of an age for it to be able to drink do you have perception on the sky?

sure 34 34 perception it's hard to see upwards to the rain because it's pouring and so you look 34. 34 perception. It's hard to see upwards to the rain because it's pouring. And so you look and the rain's beating you in the eyes. It's clouds, cracks of thunder. You don't see anything.

You're smart enough to know that it's probably just your mind playing tricks on you. But there seems to be shapes flying up above in the clouds. Are we in the clouds or they're just above us? They're just above you. I mean, they're above you and all around you, but I don't think it's like you're in an airplane where you can't see five feet in front of you. You can see, you have visibility. The clouds sort of surround you. If you look down off the edge, you don't see Avastan below like you did

when Metro was looking through the telescope. You just see cloud cover. Move quickly. Go. Yeah, I suggest we stay in a group. Get close. And Baron gets to the center of the platform and then begins moving east towards the doors in front of him. I'll do a general perception check before he gets too far.

That is going to be at 35. 35? Okay. You don't hear anything besides the sound of the rain. The rest of the party is about 15 feet away from you, to the south, a little bit to the west, 20 feet away. Do you guys go up to Baron, or do you let him stay solo there? I'm going to go wherever Metro goes. I'm going to hang back a little bit.

Let's keep moving, because I don't want to be out here exposed for too long. Let's get to the door. Baron, you keep moving forward? Yep. Okay. Fifteen feet away from the door is still detecting all that jazz. Okay, when you... Looking for traps, perceiving.

I'm going to move you back ever so slightly, because you were perceiving the whole way. You were keeping your detect evil active. Nestor then would be about 20 feet behind you, and then the rest of the party, Metro and Sir Will, closer to where the walkway turns into a platform. Roll a perception check. 36. 36. 36. Okay. So you stand

there, you're still detecting evil, and you notice the doors of the shrine are starting to open. Oh. And as they start to open, you detect

evil. What do you do uh i ready do i just ready an action uh you can take a standard action okay standard action i move the gloves of well this isn't a standard action. This should be a free action. I free action move the gloves of silence to my lips, and that allows me to whisper to the rest of the group, the door's opening and there's an evil creature walking out. Steal yourselves.

Okay. And I will... I'll tell you this. You can do standard or move. I'm basically giving you a surprise round. Right. That's the foremost. Can I see the creature yet? I just didn't know

that his presence is there. I'm going to ready an action to fire at it as soon as I can identify what it is. Bursting through the doors are three cloud giants. Oh no. They wouldn't get that close to you. But you see the doors fly open and three

cloud giants come rushing out oh no baron take your ready to action okay we'll attack the uh north easterly one okay uh first here we go That's gonna hit with a 15 on the die. We're talking about Giant's Bane, the boy's specialty. Yeah. Here it comes! 40 points of damage on the first shot. Those are good rolls. 40 points of damage. Roll for initiative.

Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Here we go. Here we go. All right, Baron, what is your roll? 29. 29. Sir Will.

Four. Four. The die are really following the narrative here. Do you have the entangled condition? Metra. Actually, I should put on the pain condition. I rolled a three, so I used my Dimension of Time planar infusion to re-roll that, as I can do once per day, and rolled a natural five, so I have a 14.

Oh, boy. Nestor. 31 for Nestor. That's better. Okay. Okay. Three cloud giants. You've fought these guys before.

Come running out. You know they use fog clouds. They use obscuring mist. Now, with these winds, the good news is if they start doing that, you know they're going to be gone within a round. And that's why I said 21 miles per hour. I had a feeling that or ranged attack some mechanic. When you were like 21, I was like, there's a mechanical reason for that number. Baron, you also know that they have at least 15 feet of reach and you're 15 feet away from

both of these guys. Now, luckily, a five foot step would put you at 20 foot range. You assume that will be okay. But let's see what happens. Round one, Nestor Coyne. Okay. Nestor, yeah, the minute the door opened, he's just

like, boom, and he heard from Baron. He's got his bow trained right on the gap there, and he unloads a full attack against the one that Baron just shot. First attack is a 41 to hit. Yes!

That is a hit. Okay. 57 points of damage. Jeepers! Baron will take an attack of opportunity as soon as Nestor is done resolving his action to help him distribute his damage as needed. Great, and where they haven't acted yet, that won't provoke. And 12 additional points of damage for my sneak attack.

Okay. Second attack. Before you take that attack, let me resolve the attack of opportunity, target of opportunity. Will that take away my ability to take a swift action on my turn? What kind of action is it? Is it an immediate action? It is. Joe, you usually have a decent handle on it.

Immediate action, yes. It will take away your swift action next turn. I will not take that attack then. Okay. Nestor, fire away. Okay. Second attack. Ooh, Natty's 17.

48 points of damage. Okay. Third attack. 30 to hit. 30 is a hit. 44 more points of damage. All right, and the first cloud giant is dead. Yes!

We're old hands at this now. Yes. Who needs Sir Will? Do you still have some attacks, Nestor? Yes, I have one more, but I don't have study target on this one, so I'll take that off. It's going to be a tough one. That's a miss. That's a miss. Alright.

Between Baron's opening shot and Nestor's volley, the first cloud giant comes running out and is lit up and falls to the ground. Baron, you rolled second highest, so you go next. Yeah, baby. Get out of here with this

based on my um understanding of them I'm currently within range of their attacks they have not attacked yet um and I'll so I'll be going at their flat footed even I'll take a five foot uh

step that way will that person I gotta take this guy out uh because otherwise that person will be able to five foot step that way. Will that person... I gotta take this guy out. Because otherwise that person will be able to five foot step and take a full attack against me, right? You would think so, yeah. You're twenty feet away now. And that's the risk.

You can do a full move and take one shot, or stand there and hope for the best. I'll do the full move and take one shot but i'll spread it out a little bit be about 15 feet away from the edge of the platform um so they have to make decisions and i will take a single shot against this giant i get it man that is you you'd probably get him but a misfire puts you in a very, very bad position. I think you're playing the long game here. You know, so that's smart.

It's a marathon, not a sprint. And they could crit on any of those attacks, and every time you get to roll, it scares me. If you take them out, then you're a hero. But if not, you know, you're dead. So that is going to be a hit with 36 to hit. Nice. 36 against touch?

Yep. Alright. I'll allow it. Barely grazed his hip. It is windy out. Yeah, this is a factor in the wind. 38 points of damage. 38 points

of damage to giant number two. You've seen these guys. You've fought these guys. They were the ones manning those ballistas. To give you insight into why I didn't take that target of opportunity attack, I was hoping to be able to use a swift action that I did not need to use because I acted before the giants. There was a very small

possibility that they would act before me. So now I'm not going to take that swift action and that is going to be my turn. At that. Yep. Yeah, here we go. Moment. From the skies. And you're 15 feet from the edge.

Oh my god, man. The broom is following me. I gave the broom an order to follow me. To the south, in front of the doors that you just walked through, you see the entire walkway start to turn to lava. Bubbling hot magma erupts

from your only exit off of this platform. You can see it. You can smell it. There is no way out. And we'll see you next week. Oh my god! I knew it like three months ago.

When we first looked out this door, I was like, never go outside. Never go outside. I saw that lava coming a mile away. Well, not the lava. I knew there was going to be lava there, for sure. No question. The floor is lava.

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