The Glass Cannon Podcast - Glass Cannon Radio #19 – What Makes a Great Roleplayer?, Best Sports Movies of All Time, Obscure Obsessions

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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You are listening to the Glass Cannon Network. This is Glass Cannon Radio with your hosts Jared Logan and Joe O'Brien. Oh snap it's Glass Cannon Radio, the only show that's brave enough to talk about the wettest bottoms and the hottest crotches. No, no, stop. We're talking about hot crotches today on Glass Cannon Radio. Things are warming out there. The summer's coming. Let's talk about wet crotches.

Yeah, who's going to have a brat summer? Is that something? Is that a thing? What was a hot girl summer? And then there, I think there was a brat summer. What's this summer going to be? What's the hot girl summer? And then there, I think there was a brat summer. What's this summer gonna be? What's the hot new pop song? Call in and tell me because I am 71 years old.

That's how I feel sometimes. We spent our, I mean, I'd say 80% of our pre-show today, just complaining about technology. So we definitely sounded old. Yeah, very, very old. And my wife is very sick of hearing me complain about technology. Every time my iPhone gets an update, I'm like, oh, darn it, this Cadburn thing. And then I pour water over it.

I liked it the old way. I liked it the old way. Well, I do sometimes I go, nothing was wrong with how it was. Or Discord. It's like, okay, it's a social media app that updates every time you open it. That doesn't happen when I use Instagram. Discord can't figure out a way to make the updates not all, I don't know. Call in and explain it to me.

This is the show where you call in and explain technology to Joe and I. Yes, please. We need it. How was your Memorial Day, Joe O'Brien? Oh, it was fantastic. I was on tour, went to Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Toronto, Canada. Left, did a little international trip, so that was awesome. My actual Memorial Day was great because I just rested.

It was just like a rest day after all that traveling. And we're going to talk about it today as part of the show. We're going to do a little nerd travelog segment where I talk about our trip to Ann Arbor, and particularly an amazing game store experience I had, which includes getting a couple new games I'm going to talk about. So I'm looking forward to the old nerd travelog today. That's great. Actually, let's go into all of our topics today.

And as always, you can call in if you'd like just become a subscriber, get on our discord, go to the glass can of radio stage and raise your hand. And we will let you weigh in on today's topics, which are first, we're going to talk about what makes a great player when you're playing RPGs, what makes a great player. Then we are going to rank. We're doing my offenses rank today Today we are ranking sports movies. Woo hoo hoo! Now I swore I would never let sports into the show. But it's Joe and McD's show too, so here it is.

Then this is a collar led segment. We wanna know about your obscure obsession. What's the thing you're really into that no one else has heard of? And you will get bonus points. Not that it's a game. If no one really has ever heard of it. Yeah. And if it, I mean, it's not going to be that hard for me to not have heard of

it, but that's a, that's your first bar. Like your second bar is Jared. Not having heard of it. Third bar is the entire audience. And then right bar is McD. If he has never heard of it. Third bar is the entire audience and then fourth bar is McD. If McD has never heard of it, then that's a very impressive little obsession you have. So I want you to start thinking about those fringe corners of pop culture and hobbies that you're into that your friends aren't so much that you'd like to let us know about.

Yeah, finally you get to talk about it. Can't wait to hear about your favorite 90s manga. All right. And then, uh, then we'll have the nerd travel log as Joe mentioned, and then I will have a little editorial, a little GM fiat at the end. Love a good GM fiat. It's been too long. I have some, uh, GM complaints. I have so many complaints.

It's really my, it's really my motivating force in life. Be honest And I love like on the socials people are starting to ask me hey Jared, what do you hate more? Do you hate this or do you hate this and I'm like, I don't hate it. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty much a hater Yeah As it turns out you just out, you hate most things. I hate a lot of things. Oh, I also wanted to mention, we talked about joining the Naish. Becoming a member to join our Discord, which you can do for free with the code

GCN30, you can call into the show and you can talk about your favorite sports movies. You can talk about what players do that is great in your games that other players should pick up on and try to do. But you can also, if you become a member at the Vorpal tier, we're doing Talk Nerdy Town Hall tomorrow. Remember that, Jared? Oh, yeah, that's right. Talk Nerdy Town Hall is tomorrow, 7 o'clock Eastern, 4 o'clock Pacific, running up to the premiere of the Glass Cannon podcast. Jared and I, and if we can grab a few friends, we just hang out on Discord.

Off the record, not broadcast, just with Vorpal subscribers, and we bring you up and chat with you and stuff. Seriously, it's off the record. So if I say anything, Yeah. That's, it's like Vegas. Yes.

It stays in the Talk Nerdy Town hall. Yes. All right. All right. With that said, let's, let's get into it. Kick us off. Get into it today. We're going to talk about what makes a great player. And it's interesting because, you know, we kind of touched on this.

It might've been last week when I asked you three questions. Like what did I, what did I said? What, what makes the best player? We thought, well, this could be an entire segment. So I definitely had some opinions on this. Um, but I would like to know, Joe, you know, last time you said knowledge of the rules, which I thought was a great answer and it would, it's not the answer I would have given. So it even surprised me a little bit, but what else do you think makes a great player when you're playing TTRPGs?

Um, obviously this is a massive list. The, the way that I'll this, and also I want to say hi to those of you that are in chat and Discord and in Twitch right now that I met this weekend. It was so awesome meeting some of you. I recognize some of your names here today. We'll get into that a little bit more, hopefully, in the Nerd Travelog. So good to see you guys. This is a big one. This is a big topic.

And the way that I'd like to introduce it is to simply say, I honestly can't think of too many things, especially in the hobbyist realm, that are more challenging than being a good RPG player. Like there are a lot of stipulations to this. And so what I want to say is- I can think of one one thing being a GM. Well, yes. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you're talking about a pool of people that are, you know, GMs are sort of held to a certain standard players kind of aren't. And so you have to be responsible to kind of bring all this to the table. And, and all I really want to say is,

to the table. And, um, and all I really want to say is I made an exhaustive list of things. I don't think it's reasonable to assume a given person can do all of these things. Right. And also do as I say, not as I do. Right? So like, I make mistakes as a player that shine to me when I listen to a recording. And so those things are in here as well. So this isn't Joe's class on how to do it because I know how to do it so well. It's when I think as a GM, what works best out of a player or what are these certain attributes I see out of this player on the Glass Cannon Network or this player on the Glass Cannon Network. Let me cherry pick here and there the things that they do best that I aspire to do. So that's, that's my little intro into what this list is for me.

That's great. And when you're, when we're talking about these things, uh, I actually only came up with one big one that I want to talk about, but if, if a player does some of these things, they're probably a great player, you know? Um, and, uh, and if they can avoid some of the pitfalls, which I'm glad that you said, maybe you're going to go into pitfalls. I definitely have been playing more recently and just to kind of walk back. What I said a minute about being a GM, being harder, it is very hard to be a

player it is, uh, you know, there's a skill to it, there's, there's a flow to it that it can be hard to get into, especially when you're dealing with a complex game like pathfinder, for example, where you're kind of waiting for your turn, you're trying to pick the optimal move and then the person before you does something that totally blows up what you were about to do. Oh my gosh. How many times does it come to my turn since I've been playing recently? And I'm like, but, uh, well, I got nothing, you know, like you gotta

figure it out on the spot. So being a player is hard. It's hard because remember the big thing, and this is why, uh, I really have grown to enjoy GMing a lot more than playing is because, and I thoroughly enjoy playing, let me be clear on that, but there's one thing, particularly when it comes to games like Delta Green, Call of Cthulhu, that really jump out to me. And that is when you're a player, you are operating with all the spotlight on you and imperfect information. When you're the GM, the spotlight's on you, but you control everything. You decide everything. So there's a lot less. Now there's a ton of pressure there, of course, that you put on yourself. You want to, you know, you want your friends to have a good time. You want to look good in front of your friends. I get that. But like with a player,

it's so difficult, especially in a mystery game, to just feel like you're constantly grasping at straws and you don't know what to do. It can be challenging and frustrating. And so we want to talk about, I don't know, all the things I made an exhaustive list, honestly. So I'll start with a couple of things. How about that? Since you just have one big one and we'll see if I hit on any of those. Okay, great. So the first thing that I said last time was knowledge of the rules. And you kind of put me on the spot on that.

And I love that question. And you know what? After a week to think about it, I still love that answer. Now it comes with a lot of caveats. And I believe I said this a little bit last week, but rules knowledge is very, very high on my list because it is also indicative of so many other things. Rules knowledge is indicative of commitment to the game, which is very, very important. Rules knowledge is also indicative of preparation for the game.

The GM has to prepare, but players have to prepare too. You don't just show up and say, you know, entertain me for four hours. That's not the GM's job. Yeah. You got to prepare. And so rules knowledge is a really kind of big part of that. And if you have that base, so many other things will, will spread, you will sprout off of that. It'll be easier for you to relax and play. It'll be easier for

you to streamline the game. It'll be easier for you to feel confident in your choices and not be, you know, like I said, grasping at straws, if you know the rules of the game you're playing. So anyway, I know. And you say imperfect knowledge of a player, but that's something they can't have perfect knowledge of. That's true.. Right. I know. And you say imperfect knowledge of a player, but that's something they can't have perfect knowledge of. That's true. How the game works. And with that, you can feel confident in driving into so many different areas. So I would say

that's a big one. All right. Now let me go into a super basic, non-gaming related, this is just a life one, but it's so high on my list. Be on time. I've said that, oh, be on time, wow, yeah. Be punctual. A player that shows up on time for a session every time, it shows commitment. It shows that you're interested in what the GM,

the work the GM is doing. Being late is rude, it makes your friends wait around. Look, if you're late because what the work the GM is doing. Being late is rude. It makes your friends wait around. Look, if you're late because you got hell of a traffic, that's one thing. If you are late every session, even if it's 10 minutes, 15 minutes, that's kind of a dick move. And it's like you got to train yourself out of that. This is a team activity and you do not hold other people up. Get there on time.

And time is the most valuable resource during a RPG session, my God. How often have I gone, oh, if I only had another hour, you know? Yes. If it wasn't 11.30 PM right now, oh my God. Yeah. Totally, so that's a little side one.

But then outside of that, I'm gonna say one more thing that I've kind of already gotten into a little bit, but then I'll let you go is this is a big one for me. And there's a lot of words here that mean the same thing to me. Enthusiasm, engagement. There's two levels of the engagement. On the GM side, it's buy in, buy into what the GM is doing. Don't just fight against the GM and, and constantly want it to be a different game than it is buy in to what the group is doing or the GM is doing. And for the other players, it's be a great audience member. Like a great audience member can just make a game shine so much.

If another player is having a scene or doing their thing, don't fucking browse on your phone. You know what I mean? Don't, uh, you know, just, uh, yeah, she's there off in the space or, yeah, I've had to start games with people that I don't know as well going, okay, everybody, we need to turn off phones. It's just, it's so unbelievably rude. Yeah.

It's, it's now I get in, in a combat, I will also say be ready for your turn. So does that mean reading spells during another player's turn in combat? And maybe you miss a little bit of a tactical thing for a moment. That happens a hundred percent. If we're in role play time and somebody else is having a scene with their character, you know, in a dream time and somebody else is having a scene with their character, you know, in a dream sequence and they're learning something about their past, pay attention, ask questions at wait, wait, have we met them before?

Or did you tell us this before? Don't just wait for your turn to speak. So I'll start there. Rules knowledge, be on time and be enthusiastic about the game. Be a good audience member. What do you got? You said you have one big. Well, you're making me think of so many, so many other ones that I think are so great. So I'll say the one big one that I have is willingness to get into trouble.

Oh, that's on my list, buddy. That's why I put it as bold and daring. Bold and daring. So a role playing game is a story. It's also a game, but it's a story that you're playing through stories require conflict in order to be interesting. Conflict means your characters get into trouble and trouble means you might have to make a skill role that isn't your strongest role. You might have to knowingly and willingly insert your character into a situation where they might, oh my God, take damage or even die. You might, you might encounter NPCs whom you are not higher status then.

might encounter NPCs whom you are not higher status than. I've had players who are like, I can intimidate and bully anyone I meet. No, trouble means you might be on a lower status level than an NPC you meet. Trouble might mean you just have to improvise. Anytime you go into any situation that's complex and you have to improvise, there's there's there's risk there so it's about taking risk some players i feel like they approach role playing games like it's their job to avoid. All of what i just said to avoid it at all cost but all of the fun is in getting in trouble right like so we need to kind of let go of like always trying

to get the perfect score because there's no score. We need to, I mean, one of my favorite people in the world and one of my favorite players, the way he plays the game sometimes drives me crazy because in his mind, the ideal game is he figures out a strategy by planning for hours in the middle of the game, how to get past everything I've set up without taking one point of damage or having any setbacks because he thinks he can plan it out perfectly and logically so that he faces no resistance. Right. In other words, he's trying to solve the puzzle of the game. But the game isn't a puzzle. It's not a puzzle. It is a story.

At least the way I run it. Yes. And like you said, stories have to have conflict. They have to have conflict, danger. When you learn about this as a child, in grammar school, in elementary school, when you learn about reading and comprehension and basic storytelling mechanics,

when you learn about what a plot is, the first thing that they tell you is, what is the problem? There is a problem, right? Like that is a huge part of a plot. And so even if you take that into a microcosm of micro moments and scenes put yourself in situations that will be problematic for your character and And see how you get yourself out of them But there's a fine line. There is a okay

So this sprouts for I'm gonna jump off if you don't mind This sprouts into two other areas that I have written down here. By the way, focusing on your bold and daring statement, I'm gonna quote John Harper here from Blades in the Dark, my favorite RPG book that I've ever read. And I don't know the exact quote,

but it's something like, drive your character like it's a stolen car. Like, it's written in the book. Seek out trouble, seek out danger, realize there's no real repercussions here. Um, and there are two things that sprout off of that. One is there's a fine line. You also have to be aware that you can't constantly put all the other characters in danger because you feel like it or you think it's funny or you're trying to be bold and daring.

That's not what I'm talking about. Right. Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. There's a line there that you also don't want to cross. You don't want to necessarily put everyone in those situations. Just think about not being so precious with your own safety the other shoot off of this is You have to trust your GM if you are driving into problematic situations

You have to trust that your GM knows how to tell a story and isn't just going to immediately kill you for no reason every time you take a risk. They have the ability to craft the story and reward you for taking risks because GMs like it when players take risks. It makes everything more fun. Now if you are in a game where you truly believe over time, you cannot trust your GM, then you shouldn't play in that game. Like if you don't like playing with them, then don't play in that game.

But if you do like playing with them, there is no reason to be extra safe with your character. I mean, some GMs do teach their players through the way that they play not to take risks, you know? And then I think also then get mad when the players don't take risks, even though they've punished them every time the player has taken a risk. So it's very much, uh, uh, you know, each person helping the other one, which, um, would bring me maybe to my next one that you made me think of, which, you know, it's the GM's job to make the players look awesome. You know, if you're playing a barbarian or a wizard, you want your guy to be

awesome, right? If you're playing a secret agent, you want your guy to be awesome. So it's the GM's job to do that, but it's also the player's job to make the other, the other players look awesome. Right? Like, you know, to, to not always like always try to take the spotlight, but to be like, Oh, you're the talker in the group, get us out of this, you know, to, to not always like always try to take the spotlight, but to be like, Oh, you're the talker in the group, get us out of this. You know, I mean, that's, that, that sounds like you're giving the other

player an order, but you're kind of acknowledging, Hey, you have more skill than I have, you know, or, uh, and then also making the GM look awesome by like actually like, when someone, you know, a character says something shocking going, Joe, you're very good at this. When something shocking or scary happens in the game or a character is like funny, you react, you know? You're, and you make your character react. Holy shit, I can't believe this is happening.

It shows commitment, like you were saying earlier, but it also just makes the GM feel awesome. Like, oh, okay, my scene is going over the way that I wanted it to go over. And so to make the other players look awesome, that's extremely important by acknowledging, you know, their skill and how awesome their characters are, but also trying to make the GM look awesome.

I took a note from, or I wrote a note here that is another one of my things, which is similar to what you just said about saying to your friend, the other PC, you know, you're the talker, get us out of this, right? So the way I wrote it down here, there's two levels to this. It's past the baton. It's knowing when to step out of a scene and give somebody else a scene. Or even in combat, it's as simple as like, don't sit there grinding away for three minutes on how to have the perfect turn where you do the most damage and instead set up an aid

for another character. Right. Set up an assist, a sweet assist, so that they get the reward of making that kill. I struggle with this because I always want the kill, but it's a great thing to do to pass that baton. But the other layer of this that's so importanton and when to do that in a measured fashion. A gracious way, yeah.

In a gracious way that is basically knowing when the game needs to be moved forward in a direction, and nobody is stepping up to lead in that scene or in that moment, know when you also need to be the leader because a great player doesn't let the action fizzle to indecision and nothing because they're too afraid to tell anyone what to do. It's like, dude, sometimes if you feel like you've got a strong opinion or an idea, just do something. Push the action forward. Please God do something. Yeah.

If everybody's like, uh, indecisive. Let me tell you, I just want to piggyback on that, which is, you know, so many times I play like a game where we're talking about, or I'm a player and I have fellow players and we're talking about opening a door and we discuss whether to open the door once. And then we're like, okay, now let's open it. And then someone goes, wait, let's discuss it again. So we all discuss whether we're opening the door again. That's not where the fun is.

The fun is not constantly weighing whether we're going to open the door or not. The fun is behind the fucking door. So I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying to crash the car over and over. I'm not saying to not discuss it at all and just run through the door. But if you've all discussed it once and you can't think of a real reason not to do it, stop being a pussy and open the door. Jesus. Well, another angle that I'll take on that,

of exactly what I'm saying and exactly in this situation, is especially if you are a stealthy character and you're in a dungeon, know your role and sneak ahead. Like, don't be afraid to constantly decide which hallway to go down. Every turn of a hallway does not need to go to committee. Every door that's open doesn't need to go to committee. If a player has a serious thought about this, in character they'll say, wait, wait, wait,

wait, before we do that, let's think about this. If nobody says anything, just start opening doors. Just start moving down hallways. Because to me, that's more cinematic. If the says anything, just start opening doors. Just start moving down hallways. Because to me, that's more cinematic. If the characters are just walking and moving along, who's ever in the lead is just making decisions because the decision was already made

to put them in the lead. So that's the decision. You don't have to decide every single, at every intersection. You don't have to have a- It happens in other games too. It happens in mysteries. You're like, are we going to the nightclub or are we going to City Hall?

Well, let's discuss it once for five minutes. Okay. Now let's discuss it again for five minutes. It's like just, you know what I loved about Abu, Abu Saleem? Abu would discuss it once, then he would go to the nightclub and set it on fire. And now things are happening. Right. Now things are happening. One time in a game, they found a weird ooze they couldn't identify. And Abu's like, my character puts it in his mouth.

And I was like, look, it's a little bit like crashing the car. But God damn it, At least stuff is happening. Yeah. I would rather honestly, I would rather someone, someone just mentioned Leroy Jenkins, I would rather someone Leroy Jenkins, not because as a GM, I want to destroy the players or hurt them or, but because now things are happening when someone Leroy Jenkins. Agreed.

Agreed. In, in, uh, what would you say? Uh, how would you, I'm drawing a blank here, uh, in. Moderation, right? Like Leroy Jenkins in, in moderation is a fun way to play, to have that kind of player that, that pushes action like that. I've got at least five more things to discuss on this. I love it, but let's, let's take some calls.

Let's take some calls. Let's take some calls. Let's let other people weigh in on maybe something we haven't discussed yet. Let's bring up somebody that I saw this weekend, Her-Bader. I saw this weekend. Do you there, buddy? Her-Bader. Her-Bader. Let's see if we can get her on. In the meantime, what were you just, what did you just say? Oh, the Leroy Jenkins thing, yeah. I was trying to think of how that fits

into what we were just talking about. Oh, here he is. There he is, Herbaderr Herbaderr. Hey, I'm here, yes. Hey guys. Hey. Thanks Joe for signing my foot cast to you and the rest of the crew.

Yeah. Nice. Herbaderr broke a foot sadly, so sorry buddy, and was injured at the show, but made it out. That's commitment. That's commitment. Jared, I'm sorry. I didn't get to do any foot stuff with you. Um, Hey, that's okay. We'll find a time. We got any thoughts on what makes a great player? Yeah. Um, so I've been a GM and I've been a player at this point. And as a GM, play with me. Have to do things with me like I ran a Starfinder campaign.

And for the longest time, my players were like chess pieces, almost just moving from room to room, getting into combat, looting things and moving on. And I'd be like, well, you know, like, what is Neva think about this? And she'd be like, Oh, I don't know. She, she wants to go kill the bad guy. Like, awesome. Okay. Let's move along.

Yeah. That's, that's a great point. Hermit or I had, I have feeling the calls were going to just lead right into my next points and here's another one it is, and this comes under coming prepared, right? The rules is, is its own thing. Okay. Now here's another one. It is, and this comes under coming prepared, right? The rules is its own thing. Okay. Now here's prepared for your character.

Here are my three points. Know your character. I mean, that is a, like that's the most basic rules thing is know your character, then know the story so far. So have a good sense of the story so far. And then the last one is what you just said, Herbiter, which is know what your character hopes to achieve in the coming sessions. The long-term things can be super vague, and they can help you make little decisions from

time to time. But a GM should be able to turn to you and be like, what are you looking for or want right now out of the next couple sessions? And you should have an answer. If you don't, then why are you even playing? I guess sometimes for people, it's just to have tactical combat, cause that's fun. But everything elevates when you're in that tactical combat

and you have stakes, you have things you want. And if you die, you won't achieve them. And that's important. How will that affect the world? How will that impact things? Yeah, this character is a xenobiologist and we make our way into a interdimensional area that had animals from across the galaxy and she just strolls through it. Yeah. But is that a new player though? I want to ask her bitter, maybe somebody who was

a little bit more of a novice had only been playing for a year or less or something like that. He was a little newer to role playing games. It wasn't her first time, but she was fairly new. I find that new players, you know, some of these things Joe and I are talking about are things you should learn as you get more experience because I recently played with some brand new players and another player turned to a new player and started doing like a scene with that player and the player went, I'm just, I can't do improv. We were all like, okay, like, uh, no problem.

Uh, so sometimes, you know, players, they, they're new, they, they don't quite know how much fun they can have. They don't know where to find the fun. So thanks for calling in Herb Duran. It was good to see you this weekend. Get well soon. Let's go to Squid. Let's get Squid up here to have Squidway and Squid,

who works on the old Pathfinder Reddit there. So a lot of game experience, I would assume, out of Squid. And of course, you saw me this weekend in In Armour as well. Yes. I'm not sure if you realized you were seeing me. No, probably not. I always say at these shows I don't even want people's real names that are on discord and twitch I just want a name tag with your twitch and your discord handle and I'll be like But I never introduced myself Yeah, anyway

but I never introduced myself. Yeah, anyway. So, I think I'm confused about a couple things. One, I'm confused how Jared is playing with my players who always try and figure out a way to get through the scenario without possibly taking any damage. Because it's a lot of players. It really is. I do think that it is more common among the players who are more

Puzzle minded that they they they they do like you said they think about Everything is being something they can solve and there are some parts of it that are the story. You can't solve the story That's what we're doing as the whole adventure But I think that what really makes a great player is a balance of two things. One is experience, whether it's experience with the things that Joe's been talking about, about being prepared with the rules and what you want to do. And then two, being inexperienced. There's there's players that do not know what they're doing and can bring out the most amazing things like Nick Lowe's open clothes is one of the best moments on the GCN because he had no idea what he was doing, but it's amazing. And if you can hold on to that real quick, I want to make sure Jared's up to speed on this. Are you aware of Nick Lowe's open clothes? Nick Lowe playing Pathfinder one

E legacy of the ancients, which is our Rise of the Ruinlords campaign Right had the open. Oh wait, was it then squid? Do you remember or was that a previous character? I might have been a previous character. It was it was there. No, it was there right as y'all were approaching the Goblin Castle I can't remember. Yeah, so he has he's playing a Scald so he's got some spell casting right? He's a scald so he's got some spell casting, right? He's a scald. So he's got some like a bardic spell casting and he has some cantrips and he's got the cantrip open close, uh, you know, which allows you to open or close a door from a little far. I'll open it. There's a chest or whatever. And somebody was bleeding out and he asked the GM if the circulatory system could be considered a container.

And he wanted to cast clothes on the wounds. Like topologically, you're not wrong. We're all playing with Paula Deming. Yes. Him and Paula, if getting in a game together might create a vortex. Yeah, that was a singularity. Paula asked me during the age of Vikings game whether she could heal someone by praying to a god of war. I was like, I don't think war is healing, Paula. Is that really about healing? Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. Continue, Squid. Did you have

another thing? That's fine. It's an anecdote well worth retelling. But if you can somehow, as an experienced player, hang on to that inexperience, that joy and wonder of looking at things in that different way that a new player comes to the game, I think that really does make the best players. That blend of experience and it's a wonder. Agreed. Squid. Thanks for the call.

That was well said. I struggle with this because this is on my list. It is strategic awareness. Be aware of your play in a strategic game. Some games aren't strategic, but if you're playing a Pathfinder 2e game, a great player is aware of the battlefield and knows the consequences of their choices, at least in one way or another. So if you want to be bold and daring, do it not because you're completely uneducated in

the impact that's going to have to your other players. Do it because you know that's going to put some things at risk, but it's going to be fun and you think your character would do it, right? That, that's where the fine line comes in that squid is talking about because it is so easy to get to know the rules so well that you essentially get, I don't want to say incapacitated, but you have this inability to do anything dangerous because you're like strategically that wouldn't, that is not the most optimal choice in the right. Right. And I fall like, strategically that wouldn't, that is not the most optimal choice in the

round. Right. Right? And I fall into that trap all the time. It's very hard to kind of work your way out of that once you're too far in. So maintaining some of that innocence is an important thing. And I think that that is a good trait of a great player. Do you got anything else, Jared, before I bring somebody else up?

I'm going to bring up- Well, I just say, it made me think of one other thing, which is I really think it's important, especially in character creation, sincerity. Because many times I've played in the past with people who are like, my character is a parody of this kind of character. And it's like, no man, no, you're not cooler than the game. Like make a sincere character something that you would sincerely think is awesome that you would sincerely like to read about in a novel like

this or on a TV see on a TV show like this don't make like you know a character who's like my character is actually Donald Trump if he were a bard like like don't do that. Like, like make sincerely like what you think is a great character. I'll say this. Some games have that tone. Some games are, oh, it's a one shot. It's a, some games are a bit of a comedy. We have a porn game. Yeah. We have these on the network. We sometimes we make silly character names because we think we're just going to goof off and look, we have a good laugh. We have a good time from that. There's no question. What I want to drive home to drive home your point, Jared, is those games will always be

less than the games where people are sincere and playing serious characters. Can you be silly with a serious character? 100%. Can you have a hilarious session or series of scenes with totally serious characters? Absolutely. In fact, you'll probably have more of them, because you're not trying to be funny.

When you have serious characters, comedy comes easier, in my opinion. I think so, too. That's where the laughs come from, instead of trying to be funny. Instead of trying to be funny. But know, but you know, I, I will also just throw out there. These are my preferences. And as you said at the beginning, do as I say, not as I do. Yes. You know what I mean? We, we all, you know, strong. So anyway, some of these, yeah, these are, these are all like,

you know, high in the sky, you know, we wish we could always do X, Y, Z. So something to aspire to. How about singing zombies who I also hung out with this weekend singing? It's great to have you back again. Yeah. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we can. How are you? I'm great. I was great. It was great seeing you guys. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. So awesome. So I I really took to the engagement part, you guys, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, so awesome.

So I really took to the engagement part, the enthusiasm part. I feel like that's the highest priority, because it helps bring everything else. When one player is really engaged and having fun, it helps the whole table get engaged and have fun. And when you have engagement, it helps players want to know the rules better,

want to know their characters better. It's what it's what helps the whole table buy in. And I, I as a player, I have like a bunch of socially awkward friends. And it's so scary to be the first person to want to like do a voice and get like really into the character. Like, I'm saying like, I'm saying like, I want the engagement player, but I have a hard time being it I need someone else be like I'm gonna dig in and then it helps me go like okay cool I'm also in yeah and get and also roleplay with with everyone else as a GM it's actually like really easy for me to do voices because I guess it's it's like expected but as a player being the being the first person it's like a little point of vulnerability right there yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. Especially if you're not someone who's ever performed before or done any kind of improv or something like that. It's it's terrifying. They say they would say the second biggest fear of people is public speaking and RPG sort of demand some public speaking in front of five people. But yeah, singing thanks for the call. And it was great to see you this weekend.

It's, oh man, I look at this whole list. I mean, I've got, I've got at least 16 or 17 lines of like stuff. Yeah. You, you know what? Not a single one of them is, and this, this is by choice. I recognize this, but not until the end, Not a single one of them is performance skill. Yeah. That's not on my list.

You don't need it. You don't need it. Maybe it enhances a show if you're an actual play network, a hundred percent. Sure. That kind of stuff is great and highly valued, but that also takes a backseat to so many of these other elements that we're talking about. And you can be an incredibly skilled incredibly skilled performer. If you are always late and don't care about the other players or the game, I don't care how good you are at performing. You won't be on the glass kind of

network long, you know, it's performance is a very, very, like, you don't have to worry about being good at performing to be a great player. in my opinion. I had an awesome player for years who never played in character, who always said, you know, my character says, my character says this, Dirk goes here, you know, talk about his character in the third person, you know, awesome because he would do stuff. You know what I mean? And he would interact. He would definitely interact. He just wasn't comfortable being like, well, I have, you know, he just didn't do that. So it's like, you don't have to do that. You don't have to be a great performer.

When I played, when I finally got back into Pathfinder, when I got back into role playing games for the first time, when I met Skid and then shortly after playing with, when I met Troy and got him into it. I never did a character voice. I never did character voices when I played my characters. It wasn't until our first show, Giant Slayer, that I was like, and I was so nervous and so embarrassed to do a character voice and an accent, but I wanted to do it because I was like, this is an audio podcast. I want to distinguish the character's voice from my voice. I never thought that was important in our gaming sessions before. So that's the only reason I did it. And of course now, I just find it to be too fun. And even when I'm bad and stupid with

it, all it does is create comedy and fun at the table. And so I've learned to just dive in and get embarrassed. You know, I mean, we said you don't have to be a great performer, but just on the voice for a second, critical role is a huge hit. And I think all of those people were voice actors. And so I think sometimes when they came into the table, that's what they had. They had the voice and so many things flow out of a good voice, like a specific voice. A personality comes out of it. Yeah.

They're checking off some of the boxes you already mentioned on commitment and knowing your character just by figuring out the voice of their character. So that's one of the reasons that's such a great property critical role. Yeah. There's a lot of avenues to get to these places that we're talking about. Yeah. There's a lot of different ways. And just like I said, having the rules knowledge, knowing the game is an effect of, it shows

your engagement. And similarly vice versa, as Singing just said, I believe was, was, you know, sticking on enthusiasm, just being excited to be there. Even if you don't know the rules, it means eventually you're going to learn the rules because you're excited to be there. Right? So there's a lot of different kind of angles. If I can get, if I can get two or three of these things from a player, I'm very, a very

happy man, you know, like a hundred percent. Uh, all right. I'm going to do one more or two more know, like. 100%. All right, I'm gonna do one more, or two more specific things and then I'll be done. These are getting more specific now. One is rules lawyering. Now, as far as rules lawyering goes, here's what I think a great player does at the table.

We've already established you know the rules. We already established that you're trying to lift everybody up and try to be fair and trying to be fun. Acknowledge danger when it's there, make the GM look cool. If you put all those things together, the way rules lawyering should manifest,

the way I try to do it is, if you think a rule is not correct, you raise it, you suggest what might be correct or might be done or whatever. And then the GM decides and that's it. It's one sort of mention the GM decides. And the way I have it in my notes here is there are no appeals in rules, lawyering, right?

So like, I don't mind you bringing up a rule. I don't mind you saying, well, I don't know if that's how that works. Even if you're wrong, as the rules are, you double check it. Nope. I was wrong. Sorry. You're right. Continue.

It's fine. Or if the GM is just like, ah, not in this situation. I don't want that. A blah, blah, blah. No appeals. You just say, okay, that's it. So if you get into appeals, it becomes a rules argument often. Yeah.

I don't. And I'll just say a good GM listens to the player when they bring up that maybe rules misstep. Yeah. Unless it is about perception versus deception when you're noticing lies in Pathfinder 2E, in which case there's really no reason to listen to the player, I find. We could have a whole other show, of course, obviously,

on good GM traits. But I think one of the best GM traits you can have is listening to your players and confidently going against the rules whenever you want to. Like, you can't be irritated that there's a rule and then just follow that rule because, and it, and it ruins this it ruins your scene as you're imagining it. Like, just change it. Like, you need to have the confidence as the GM to know it is your game. You know, you could do whatever you want.

So don't get all, like, upset if somebody brings up that a rule might be different. Like, just say, okay, I hear you. I'm not going to go with it this time. I reserve the right to change that down the line But like right now I want to do this whatever just do it And if you know if that brings up an appeal for the player and fighting then the game's not working right now Something else has to be resolved

Okay, and it's the last thing I'll say very specific. Yes, you do with creating a character character This is just character backstory the The way I describe character backstory, it is a shared experience with the GM and even the other players at times. It can be really fun to have it loose with the other players too. Give the GM some threads to pull on, give them some blocks to build with.

Don't give them 10 pages. Yeah, what the plot is going to be. Of everything that has happened to your character with no wiggle room in the preview, you know, the, what brought them there. It's a lot more fun. Great player gives a couple of details and that's it. And is fine with the GM or even other players fiddling with it and moving things around, Oh, I never, because you never know when you're going to hear something

you're like, I never thought of it that way. That's even better than what I thought might be the case. So I think great players leave it a backstory that is opened and is modular to the GM so that it can fit whatever you need for the adventure to get the right motivations. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, I agree.

Absolutely. All right, well, we have spent a lot of time on this. So we got a lot of show left. Yeah, let's keep going. So a lot of people want to talk. So we're going to keep bringing people up. And if you want to talk about things we didn't talk about with Great Player, absolutely. But for right now, hang in there. We got to move on to My Offense's rank, which was inspired. Jared brought this up for the record. I did not.

We're talking about players. He was like, if we're talking about players, my brain goes to, well, what does that mean in terms of movies, players playing a game, playing a sport, playing a sport. Sports movies. Yeah. Sports movies. So I just wanna throw out there,

so we're gonna rank our sports movies. Excuse me. When we do this segment, we do our top five. The ranking is important, whether one is better than the other. And as we say, if one of us has it higher on their list, we'll wait until we get into that number, uh, to talk about that one, I just want to let you know. I know nothing about sports, so I'm coming at this from someone who doesn't really

know sports, but I do love sports movies sometimes. someone who doesn't really know sports, but I do love sports movies sometimes. Okay. So I, I, it wasn't too hard to come up with five movies that I really liked in the sports realm and I challenged myself. I've seen all of these, obviously that's, that's, that's a given. You have to have seen them. Yes. And I challenged myself to come up with no, none of them are of the same sport. They're all different sports

Mine also are all different sports. I obviously have a list of ten like this like like like immediately Top ten I had a very hard time making top five and I'll say the way that I Distributed the way that I bumped other movies out, even if I thought they were better movies maybe, or I'd be more into them really, the way that I bumped them out in this case focusing on players is I broke ties based on traditional sports movies where it is like, where there is that flow of are they gonna win or not to winning or not? Right? Like that sort of flow of a classic sports movie structure. Um, I kind of focused on that and had that break ties on someone's where sports are the backdrop of a story that

isn't necessarily about the wind loss of a team, right? Like, I, I, you know, I gotta say, I love that you use that rubric because I really love it. What a movie is like, are they going to win or lose this big match or this game? Yes. I, I had less movies to draw from. Yeah. So I wasn't able, some of mine are a little bit like the sports are a little in the background, but they're all about sports. I would say they're all definitely about sports. I am so curious to see like how many, if any, we have in common on this list. So why don't you pick it up?

Only one of mine is very obscure. I think only one is very obscure. You want, you want me to start? Yeah, I would like you to start. Okay. I'll start with my number five. Okay. Number five movie, a basketball movie from the year 1998, directed by Spike Lee, starring Denzel Washington, and pro basketball player Ray Allen in the lead.

With Rosario Dawson, it also has Milla Jovovich. I'm talking about a movie called He Got Game. He got game. I've never seen. He got game. I know about it. I've heard of it, but I never saw it. Very briefly. He got game. It's got a great premise. Okay. Denzel Washington is in prison. He's doing a 15 year sentence. The warden summons him and says, Hey, listen, we know that your son is like the number one pick out of high school right now, and all these colleges want him to be on their basketball team.

The governor really wants your son to go to his university. He's going to shorten your sentence. If you can get your son to go to his school, we're going to let you out for one week to convince your son to go to the governor's alma mater. So it's, and of course they're a strange, the sun and it's Denzel dude. It's Denzel and it's Spike Lee. So, you know, the great thing about Spike Lee, I find is that he keeps kind of throwing curve balls at you.

It's never quite what you think it's going to be the movie. It's never quite filmed the way you think that, you know, someone would film it. It's never predictable. Uh, and it has some great monologues. Like, um, there's a point where the local criminal is driving around Ray Allen, who's the number one high school pick, you know, and telling him about all the things.

People are gonna come to him, give me money, and people are gonna try to get you on drugs, and people, there's this long monologue about, excuse me, pussy that the criminal gives to Ray Allen. And it's a very adult movie, but it's very cool. I really, really, I really, really love it. Cool, I gotta check that, obviously I've heard of it. And I really like Spike Lee movies,

and I know that's always been out there. I don't know why. I mean, I have not seen it on any streaming service in the last several years. Let's say that, just like pop up. I watched it a while back on Tubi, I think. Tubi, love it. Ad supported freebies, yeah, that's a good one.

So I had ads the whole time, but it was good. Yeah, yeah, all right, I gotta check that out. All right, we'll do number five on my list is, in this list, the most modern of all of my top 10. I did 10, just in case we want to do some honorable mentions at the end, if callers don't mention them. But this is the most recent of all of them for me. At number five, Ford versus Ferrari for me.

Ford versus Ferrari. I don't know if you saw that one. Okay, not on my list, but I have seen it. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one and I've learned so much about that time, the history, the sport. And I love when things are based on a true story. I love sports movies based on a true story where you can actually learn a few things. And I just thought there was great, great character work in that movie.

And it had the classic sports movie formula of like, this kooky guy who doesn't do things the way everybody else does. There's no way he can beat the like, you know, the cream of the crop that all do things the same way kind of thing. And then, you know, you see the training and the building and that's Christian Bale and Matt Damon, right? Christian Bale. Yeah. So Christian Bale, Mangold directing, I think, is it Mangold? I believe, I believe. I think it is. Yeah. The joke I always made about Ford versus Ferrari and sorry to bust your balls, but I was like,

ah, finally a movie about the true underdog, the Ford Motor Company. Right, right. Exactly. Yeah, it's James Mangold. Yeah. Who did Logan. The best part about that is that it's not about that. It is so much, it's so about the characters and particularly those two.

But then there's a couple other great characters as well. And Ford in and of itself is also a villain within the movie. Like they're fighting with their own company to just try to run this thing. Cause they're like, you are such a big ship and you're moving so slow that you don't understand like what it takes at the ground level of this stuff to win games. Right? And I love that concept in a story.

I remember the races being filmed, like the, the, the filming of the races to be amazing. Like I had never really seen a race filmed quite that way. Beautiful. And you're making me think how the fuck did I leave off one of my favorite movies? Days of Thunder. Days of Thunder! Days of Thunder, dude.

Phenomenal. How did I leave off Days of Thunder? An amazing film. That'll be my honorable mention. Dude, there's a scene in, I'll say this before you move on, there's a scene in Ford versus Ferrari that is not an actual race. When they're trying to get Ford to stop being a penis and just let them do their

thing, stop trying to micromanage something you don't understand. And the character, I can't remember the name of the actor who is playing the president of the company. I think it's Henry Ford's grandson at this time. Uh, and he, he says, let me take you for a ride. And he puts him in, in the race car and he, and there's an in camera, like an in-car cam that has a great view of the inside of the car. And I mean, I don't, I'm assuming they really did it.

Like they really did the scene because it starts moving. And this actor is like the way that G-forces are moving him around, the way that his body is like, his face is getting like, you know, by the speed and everything. And he just starts like screaming in like a way that he it's uncontrolled, right? Like, yeah, you know, and when it ends, it's amazing. I just get chills thinking about it's a great scene because he just sort of, he starts to just cry after it stops. And he's like, I just get chills thinking about it's a great scene because he just sort of he starts to just cry After it stops and he's like I had no idea like I had no idea what these things could do, you know And that's a very cool scene

That's very cool. Um, I'm glad that they were able to give a CEO, you know a great time Exactly. All right. What is your number four? Okay, so this is my most obscure one. So forgive me, I always have, I feel like an obscure one on the list. Oh yeah. This is a film from 1977, starring the great Burt Reynolds, starring his, often in the seventies, but now pretty often forgotten female co-star

in a couple films, Jill Kleberg, and also starring the great Chris Christopherson. This is a football film. Semi-Tough is the name of the film. Semi-Tough. Semi-Tough, directed by Michael Ritchie, who also directed the Bad News Bears and Fletch. Bad News Bears was almost on my list, but I like this movie a little bit more than Bad News Bears.

So this movie is just a love triangle between Burt Reynolds, Jill Kleyberg and Chris Christopherson. Burt Reynolds is the veteran football player who's been around a while. Chris Christopherson is the hot new quarterback, uh, who's getting deals, who's getting commercials. Uh, and they're both in love with Jill Kleyberg, but it's not, it's, it's more about the celebrity of being a football star than it's about like, you know, winning a game. And it's also a lot about est.

Do you know est? No. Est was this self help thing where you would go and you would spend a weekend in a hotel ballroom and they would make you confront the truths about your own personality. So it's about football stars who are taking est seminars, but they kind of parody that sort of seventies culture of like self-help and self-actualization and uh, you know, I don't know. It's, it's a really cool, the tagline for the movie is it's the world's greatest game.

And then in parentheses, and it sure ain't football. There it is. There it is. Uh, I got to see this at the new Beverly on film. Uh, it's probably one of Quentin Tarantino's own like reels, cause he has all these old films they play there and it played great. And it's really funny even today. So I had to have a comedy too and I think that's my only comedy is Semi-Tough. Okay, got it.

I am not going comedy for my number four. Number four, I'm going to go with Miracle. Do a little hockey. Miracle, hockey movie. Haven't seen it. Oh, I think it's great. Miracle. Do a little hockey. Miracle. Hockey movie. Haven't seen it. Oh, I think it's great. I mean, it's also, it's a very simple, classic sports movie, but it tells the story of the 1980 US Olympic hockey team trying to go up against the Russians, who at that point, I

think had won the gold medal every Olympics since the fifties or something like that. And so real daunting task, but it's a great movie. I feel like great story of the reason this makes my top five and break so many ties is because I love stories of a team that is they do such a great job of telling an Olympic team story because all of these athletes are all competitors on other teams. And a decent amount of them are intense rivals. And hockey is the kind of sport where your rivals, especially at this time, I mean, you literally, you would literally fist fight. Like you would hurt each other, try to hurt each other. And that was part of the sport that was all just factored in.

And this one really gives a good sense of what it takes to, to play with your rivals on a team to, to, you know, become more than the sum of your parts, get rid of that old baggage and focus on a different enemy, right? And, uh, that story is a great story in my opinion. They were, they were playing, they had to beat the Russians. Is that right? They had to beat the Soviet union. Yeah, that was the thing.

That's the big, tough one to beat to see if you could even beat them was, you know, the tough part, but the, yeah, to me, that the main story is not only about the kids that were not hated each other, having to be on the same team, but also, uh, the coaching is great. Kurt Russell plays the head coach and he does a great job of, uh, doing what is, you know, what I would consider professional kind of coaching story, which is like, you can't coddle people, you can't baby them, but you also can't be too intense with these guys because you just like, uh, you're going to lose them. Right. So it's like walking that fine line

of motivating them, but not being their friend. Uh. It's really cool. Really cool film. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I love a good coach character, right? Yeah. He's like a great coach movie where where the coach is the one that's got to bring people together or make it work. Did you watch Ted Lasso? I really dislike Ted Lasso. Oh, wait a minute. I think I can't remember if we talked about this. You might've said this before. This is ringing a bell. I'm not gonna get into why right now. Yeah, but in either case, there is like, Ted Lasso,

if you think of Coach Beard, like the side character, who's kind of the side coach, there's a great character like that in, in Miracle. What's his name? Noah Emmerich. I like that, I like that actor a lot. You know Noah Emmerich, I like that actor a lot. You know Noah Emmerich, right? Does he?

Probably, I'm gonna look up this film because I also wanna know who directed it. 2004 film, and looks like- Noah Emmerich is the dude from The Truman Show. Oh, is Noah Emmerich, is he the Americans? Yes, Noah Emrick is the Americans. Oh, hell yeah, dude! He's from the Americans, my favorite show! Right, so you have Kurt Russell as Hal Brooks, who's kind of like, he's so intense and just like basically doesn't even speak to the players barely, right?

Like that sort of level of head coach. And then you have Noah Emrick playing the like, the XO kind of character, right? Like that sort of level of head coach. And then you have Noah Emmerich playing the like the XO kind of character, right? Like the guy who is in the trenches with the players and, and brings complaints up to the coach and then, you know, down for the, the hand of the king, right? Is Noah Emmerich great character. So yeah, good coaching movie. The director here did more than one sports movie. He's the director of the way back, 2020 Ben Affleck film. He's the director of the way back 2020 Ben Affleck film. He's the director of warrior, which I believe is an MMA film, right? Yeah, it is. I did not see warrior. Yeah, neither did I. I haven't seen this.

And he directed the accountant. I bet he's the executive producer, right? Of the accountant or is he, he directed the account? No, he, yeah, he did. Wait, uh, written by directed by Gavin O'Connor. Yes, he did. Wait, written by, directed by Gavin O'Connor. Yes, he did. Wow, I love the accountant. He's a good buddy with Gavin. Gavin O'Connor, the director, is a good buddy of Ben Affleck. He also directed one episode of The Americans.

So there you go. There you go. It all comes together. That's how you get Noah Emmerich. All right. My number three. You should check out Miracle. It's great. My number three. I can't believe this film is at number three.

This is one everybody's heard of, but really it comes after two others to me. This is Rocky directed by John Alvinson. Oh, that's wait. There's rockier on your list. Rocky is my number two. All right. Great. What's your number three? So my number three is we're going to go baseball. I'm going to go baseball here. And this is the, I think the second most recent one in my list. Moneyball. My number two. Oh, look at that. We swapped them. We swapped them. I think I had to bump up Rocky because of my Philly heritage. I couldn't, I couldn't help it, but I love both of these movies. Also, I want to say real quick on Rocky before we talk about Moneyball, Rocky is, I have

it on my list as Rocky slash Rocky 2 slash Rocky 3 slash Creed. To me, they're all together is like one long story. I just want to be clear. Mine is just Rocky. Understood. All right. Let's talk money ball for a second. Let's talk money ball. Why did one of money ball make number two on your list? Well, uh, I just want to say it's directed by a gay named Bennett Miller, who directed another movie that almost made my list, which is Fox catcher. Fox catcher is so fucking dark. I guess I would have been depressed if it was on

my list. This is an Aaron Sorkin script, Moneyball, which is why it's such a great script. And it's based on a nonfiction book, which I think is awesome. So Brad Pitt plays Billy Bean and Peter Brand is played by Jonah Hill. And this is a procedural about baseball recruitment. It's, it's about, it's the first story that I can remember that is really well done about the front office. Yeah, the deal. Of a professional organization. So, you know, you've got these stories that we've already done examples of, like you did a love story where the sport is the background. I did, you know, the, the players fighting against each other and the coach trying to wrangle them all together, right? The team story, um, with, uh, with, um, Ford versus Ferrari, you have those, the, uh, the players fighting against their own ownership kind of thing, right?

Yeah. And this is now from really, from the owners are the heroes in this world, not the owners, but the managers of the team are the heroes of this story. Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just really fantastic. If you would have told me that I would like this film, I would have told you you're wrong because it really is mostly about their process of figuring out this saber metric approach to creating a winning team with half the know, half the budget or a quarter of

the budget of other big teams. And Brad Pitt is great in it. Jonah Hill's great in it. Uh, it's just like a really good movie about a D about deals and about management. And, you know, since then we've gotten so many other deal movies that I think are really good, like air, which also also almost made my list. You know, I forgot about air.

I only saw it once. I really want to see it again. Yeah. Probably be on this list. Yeah. Air is a deal movie. If nobody has seen the Blackberry movie, I highly recommend the Blackberry movie, but there's all these, you know, there was an Uber TV show that I watched that I liked.

So there's all these movies now that are about the deal, about the business of a sport or the business of a company. I think Moneyball though is the first and the best of all of those. Chef's Kiss, I often say I put it, I think I still put it in my top five, if not number one, overall of all genres for the 2010 decade, like 2010 to 2019. Yeah, absolutely. That movie was so good. I watched it over and over and over.

Yeah, I mean- And it looks great too. Yeah, I don't have much to add except that the script is so good. And it's also shot like another movie that just didn't make my list just fell out of the top five, which is Seabiscuit. I love Seabiscuit. Yeah. And in Seabiscuit, they do that almost documentary style to it early on. It's they literally get what's his face. Yeah. Yeah. Who am I thinking of the documentary? Ken Burns. They actually get Ken Burns to do the narration early on about the depression and stuff like that. Like the way they set it up in the very, from the first shot, I'm getting chills,

is like actual broadcast footage of the, whatever it was, 2002, like AL championship or whatever. Like it's just the grainy footage and you're hearing the announcer, you're hearing Joe Buck, and they're showing the money on each side playing each other. It's like the money's playing the grainy footage and you're hearing the announcer, you're hearing Joe Buck and they're showing the money on each side playing each other. It's like the money's playing the money, not the player. So cool. Anyway, love that one. Let's talk.

Let's talk. Rocky. Rocky. So glad Rocky's on your list. Talk to me about Rocky. Well, I just think, you know, Rocky, I love a lot of things about it. First of all, I love that Sylvester Stallone wrote the script. Because later I think he became more of a star and even a star that people made fun

of because he did so many Rambos and a couple bad movies. But when he started out, he was an auteur, man, and he wrote his own scripts and did a lot of incredible things. I also think that the greatest thing about Rocky is that it encapsulates a great life philosophy. Yes. Going the distance, right? At the end of the movie, Rocky loses, but he went the distance, you know, he, it's about

living up to your potential and it's very existentialist, right? Like life throws a lot of ups and downs at you. Horrible tragedy can befall you, but if you just, if you just try to be the best you that you can be, you, you triumph. And that is what Rocky is about. And Rocky's a good one to put on. If you're ever like, man, I mean, I mean, kind of a tough spot right now. Like how do I get, how do I see myself through this?

You know, a breakup or you get fired or something like that. Yeah, you gotta put on Rocky, man. Rocky will make you feel better and it'll give you direction. That's how good Rocky is. Very few movies do that. So that's what I love about Rocky.

Very few sports movies are that therapeutic. Yeah. Where they, Rocky is so great because it's so, it's also a love story, which is great. They combine it with the sports story, this love story of two misfits kind of, you know, trying to find their way through the world. And both of them have been beaten down and don't, their life has not turned out to what they expected it to be at this stage. But they keep pushing, they keep living both of them in their own way.

And yeah, such such a great story. And I like how you highlight there about going the distance. A lot of sports movies' typical flow is someone is, or some team is up against impossible odds, right? You can't beat this thing here, and you have to work hard and try to get there. And most sports movies are, and this is not a failing of them, they're great. Most sports movies, you overcome that seemingly impossible obstacle. You work hard and you win.

By working hard and focusing and doing your best and training and all that stuff, sacrificing, all that stuff, and you emerge victorious. And Rocky, the way the story is set up, it's great because they really do present what at that time would certainly be considered an impossible task. The movie would lose credibility if Rocky could just go in there and beat literally

the world champion, the heavyweight world champion of boxing. Because it's one of the greatest fighters that ever lived at this stage in the movie and the fiction and Rocky's, but Rocky knows that and is still doing it anyway because he just needs to show himself, not anybody else show himself that he can stand there, that he can be there and go the distance and make that fighter fight the whole fight. He knows he's not gonna win, but he's just not gonna get knocked out.

And that's a great, great part of that. And he says it, he says as much, all I wanna do, my whole life I've been told I can't go the distance, right? And it's just, it's great, it's great. It's about attitude and it's amazing. And what I love about Rocky was, when I was growing up, they used to show movies on like a Sunday or a Saturday afternoon.

And I would watch Rocky three times a year. I've probably seen Rocky a hundred times. Oh, I didn't know that. Because of that. That's great. Oh, sure. It just used to be on when I was a kid. And I was like home on a Saturday afternoon.

So there you go. I feel like, I feel, I wrote Creed in with it because I feel like Creed did a spectacular job of like rebooting the franchise in a way and you can't have Creed without Rocky Rocky 2 and Rocky 3 and Creed is an another awesome story of an individual who is trying to shirk a reputation a a What would you put it? what would you put it?

How would you put it? A, um, uh, a legacy. Yeah. Yes. But like everybody sort of presumes, uh, him to be a spoiled rich kid because of where he comes from and that he can't hang with fighters that have to fight to survive. And he's like, you have no idea who I am because he didn't, he

didn't, we wasn't raised with that silver spoon in his mouth. He had a different upbringing and so it's very interesting what people assume about you in the media versus who you really are is told a lot in that story. So another support story. Uh, all right. And you, you're just calling back to mr. T with Rocky three right there. There we go. Little mr. T. with Rocky three right there. There we go. Little Mr. T. Go a little bit more Mr. T.

The official, the official celebrity mascot of glass caner radio. Yeah. Mr. T. All right. My number one. Are you ready? Yes. Well, also I think the most recent movie on my list, uh, this movie stars Zach

Efron, Jeremy Allen White, and one of my favorite actors, Holt McCollumney. This is The Iron Claw from 2023. Dude, I've had The Iron Claw. It's your number one favorite. I've had The Iron Claw. Let me tell you something. I can't wait to watch The Iron Claw.

I haven't seen it yet. Let me tell you about The Iron Claw, Joe. Tears streaming down my face. Wow. Sobs racking my chest from the iron claw. I've had it downloaded for about two months on my iPad and have not watched it on a flight. I keep meaning to and then something else comes up.

I'm like, oh, I gotta watch Andor. Or, oh, I gotta watch The Last of Us. Like, it's just been sitting there. It's on HBO, I think, or on max, I think. Uh, yeah, I really want to watch that. So I'm awesome. I'm so glad you like it. So I will say I'm someone who likes depressing movies and you could write

off the iron claw as depressing, but I think that there really is an incredible ray of hope in the iron claw, particularly when it comes to the Zach Efron character. I'm someone who never thought much of Zach Efron as an actor. I thought of him as the high school musical person. This proved to me that he's a fantastic actor. Hold McCollin is a guy that I have loved in everything I've seen him in. You probably remember him from mind hunter. He plays the dad who puts way too much pressure on them. And, uh, and fight club and, oh, he's in fight club. He is, uh, um, yeah, in death members of project mayhem have a name.

His name is what that's Holt McCallany gives that line. Holt McCallany is, was my client. I worked with him for many years. Uh, weAllen was my client. I worked with him for many years. I worked with him all the time because he has a great voice and he does a lot of voice work. When he got mine hunter, I was like, this is awesome. He really needed to get that exposure because he's so good and he always has a lower key character. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, he's so awesome. And, uh, so, uh, you know, I'm someone who maybe didn't think wrestling was a real sport. This really convinced me that it is a real sport. And, uh, I'll just say, you know, um, I've heard that there are some factual inaccuracies in the iron claw. I've heard that they even cut out an entire von Eric brother, uh, for the film. And I'll just say not knowing very much about the true story, maybe really helped

me enjoy the film, uh, but man, enjoy is not the right word. I was really, really moved by it. And it also has one of the best closing credits songs I've ever heard in my life. You gotta see the Iron Claw. Okay. Can't wait. It's on my list. I've wanted to watch it for a bit. I had no idea it would be number one on your sports movie list. Very much looking forward to it. All right. I'm going to finish off with my number one and then we'll take some calls and see what we missed. I've got a list here that I'm not going to mention yet. See if you can see what's on my six to 10 on this. I guess your number one is I'm trying to get your

number one. Yeah. Your number one. Well, don't don't lift list off a whole bunch of movies. I'll say it. I'm not going to. I'm not going to. It's older. It's I believe eighties. I don't even have a guess. But you know what? I have one guess. I think it's baseball. It is basketball. Basketball. 80s basketball. Oh, I know what it is, but I'm not going to spoil it. Go ahead. It is Hoosiers. I knew it!

It is my number one sports movie of all time. I mean, hard to break all these ties, but for me, you don't get more classic sports movie by definition than Hoosiers. If your rubric is a team goes through to quote, wet hot American summer, a quirky training period where we feel like nothing's going to work out. And ultimately in the end, Emerge is successful. That's Hoosiers. It also has a great coaching story. I love the principles and the ethics and the, you know, what you learned from Gene Hackman's character, even as he is coming off of being, I mean, basically canceled in that time for hitting a player on his college team. So he was a coach who physically got a physical altercation

with one of his own players and was banned from the NCAA. That's how his backstory begins. And this is his retribution story. And you can see he's still super intense. He's a very tough coach, but he also realizes the mistakes that he's made and he's trying to learn from them He experiences regret he shows regret for his past

But he knows that's part of who he is and he has to try to fix that and then you have possibly the greatest Supporting character of all time in any sports movie when Dennis Hopper Dennis Hopper's is heartbreaking in that movie, but he plays it so well. It's just a really great story there. And then the classic sort of tale. So yeah, anyway, love Hoosiers. I watch it pretty much. I've never seen Hoosiers. You've never seen Hoosiers? Oh, okay. I thought about watching it before we did this show because I thought if I watch it, because I, you know, people say it's one of the all time best. So I gotta get to it. All right, great. I shouldn't, I'll say no more than, um, uh, except to say that, uh,

wait, what was I just going to finish off with? It's just that it, um, yeah, I don't remember, but, but yeah, anyway, it's great. Yeah. You go ahead and watch it. I'm sorry. I said as much as I did, I didn't realize you'd never seen Hoosiers. That's, it's great. Yeah, you go ahead and watch that. I'm sorry. I said as much as I did. I didn't realize you'd never seen Hoosiers That's that's no no, it's absolutely fine. I can't wait to watch it Yeah, I I'm not we need to do a show about spoilers at some point because I don't believe in them I know we I've actually wrote this down the other day on like on my phone I was like write a note to Jared that we need to do and we're already I already know the name of the segment the spoiler war So The spoiler war.

We're going to do a little debate on that. Let's take a couple callers here. Let's see if you can figure out what's on my six to 10. Let's get K-Rob up here. K-Rob who was helping us out in Ann Arbor this weekend. Hey, how you doing buddy? What's up? Pretty good. Pretty good. K-Rob was running merch for us in Ann Arbor. Thank you buddy for volunteering. You're the best appreciate you. Oh, yeah

I don't you care My mom went to school at the high school that Hoosiers is based off of hickory That's actually called a Milan the real name is Milan Yeah, wow very cool our drive from Indy just the the they have a museum and everything. Oh Awesome, that's amazing. Awesome. All right add one movie to this list No more than one because I want to take a few colors and I don't want to spoil it for other people Give me one great sports movie. We didn't mention I Did have to drop for a second, so was Remember the Titans mentioned?

No, Remember the Titans was not mentioned. It is not on my top 10. Just falls just outside of it. But yeah, great, great sports movie. Is that another Hackman? That is Denzel. That's another Denzel. Oh, that's a Denzel. I'm confused. I also have a YouTube recommendation for it's some guy made this video of how accurately baseball is played in movies and he runs it from like 26 to 1 It's a great video. I highly recommend it. That is great. That's awesome. All right. Thanks for the thanks for the movie K

Rob appreciate you. Let's get somebody else K Rob How about min drip? I don't remember if we've had min drip on before. Hi min. I don't think we have min. Are you there? Hello. Hey, what's on? Hey, how's it going? It's going great going well. Yeah, we got sure. Is this your first time calling in? Go on well, yeah, we sure can this your first time calling in Yeah, first time caller a long-time listener Do we was there a moratorium against comedy movies in this no not at all not at all all right? I was going through and I thought somebody post happy Gilmore, and it made me come back to Patty Shack Yeah, Patty Shack. Yes. There you go. Happy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happy Gilmore is maybe the best Adam Sandler versus sports. I think you, you know what? A happy Gilmore might be up there for the best Adam Sandler movie.

I think it's so funny. Agreed. Yeah. It is amazingly hilarious. Thanks, Mindrip. Good call on the unhappy Gilmore and that came out of chat, but on caddy's Jack, of course, a lot of people. It's about two sports, hockey and golf. Happy Gilmore.

Exactly. And, uh, I heard some, I'm going to mention this real quick. I heard somebody else mentioned it chat as a joke. Does the cutting edge count? Hell yeah. The cutting edge counts. Of course. Love the cutting edge. And it, and it is also classic, even though you're talking about a little bit of a love story, it's like, how are these two possibly going to compete the Olympics against all these well-trained people? Bah, bah, bah, training period, et cetera. Great. Oh, all right. This is going to be an interesting caller. Who is this? Did somebody change their name? This might be a little bit creepy. Please

welcome to the stage Alt Jared. Alt Jared. Who is this? I don't know who you think I am, but it's not, I'm just a random Canadian who said hello to you outside the venue. Oh, nice. Hey, good to see you Alt Jared. Why is your name Alt Jared? Is your real name Jared? No, because I'm an alternate Jared. I am a Jared.

I can fill in if you aren't here, but I am less crass. Wow. Okay. Wow. Okay. So we're already insulting the hosts. Go ahead. Strong start.

Insulting the hosts. Give us a movie. Yeah, I'm going to shadow Jodester because he's calling me the second string Jared. That's also fair. Second string, let's try third. Go ahead, what's your movie? I'm going to pitch a very Canadian television show instead of a movie. It's sure.

I, I, how did I cross over? How did I know that a guy called alt Jared would go, I actually have a clever answer. I'm going to do a television show instead of a movie. Go ahead. Alt Jared. What is your TV show? You want my movie? It's draft day.

Okay. And Costner. There's movie? It's Draft Day. Okay. Kevin Costner. There's a Draft Day. Okay. Draft Day we got. That was making a sports deal before Moneyball, okay? It was, it was. Draft Day is before Moneyball?

Half, I'm pretty good with movie dates. It is, right? Let me, I'm just checking. Okay, look at the- Draft Day is after Moneyball. Moneyball is 2011. 2011? It is a 2014 film.

Oh, I didn't realize that. Moneyball is older than I thought. So far, alt Jared not as good on movie dates. I'm all for three here or something? I'm just losing. Real quick, give us your Canadian. The name started you behind. Give us your Canadian.

What's your Canadian TV show? Letter Kenny? No, but from another Jared, who also created Letter Kenny, Shorzy, it is the story of a low tier hockey player in the dregs of his career, trying to get one more win for his team. Oh wow, so this is like a modern show with several seasons. Absolutely. 2022. Oh my god, it is 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.

8.6 on IMDB. Looks like Gull Jarred has an interesting selection here. I'm going to write this down. Pretty interesting for a TV show, which is off topic. It is sad and like so, so hard to watch sometimes because of the emotion put into the end of a career, the end of a person's era in athletics. Cool. Al Jared, thank you. Thanks for the call.

Al Jared, at least you didn't suggest one of the Planet of the Apes movies Pork Chop Sandos who is a fantastic illustrator who's done a lot of our bottle cap artwork says it's the best show seriously Well, I'm gonna have to check out this Shorzy still no one has mentioned any of my in my six to ten if the colors can't get it Jared I'll let you take a shot. I want to hear. Teddicus Rex, please to the stage. Hi Teddicus. Join us. How's it going, fellas?

It's going great. How are you? It's going well. I'm great. I just want to say you guys and other actual players inspired me to start taking improv and my level four class show is here on Saturday this weekend. So thank you for that. Oh, cool. Congratulations. Congratulations, man. That's tough. That is tough.

I can't say I could do the same. Great work. All the way to level four. That's commitment, man. That's awesome. That's, yeah, yeah. Well, I took, also at Second City, I took Improper Actors and I took a level two improv

at Brooklyn Comedy Collective. So I've got the bug now, so. That's good. Yeah, it's fun. It's certainly fun. It definitely helps with your role playing. Can you name one of these? So sports movie I've got the bug now. So that's yeah, it's fun. It's certainly fun Give us a little bit of your role playing. Can you name one of these sports movie? I've got I'm gonna go radio with Radio with Cuba Gooding Jr. And Ed Harris. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I don't I never saw radio I never I never saw his radio. Wait is radio is Cuba Gooding Jr. Someone who's

I never, I never saw his radio. Wait, is radio is Cuba goody junior, someone who's, um, uh, differently abled in that film. Yeah. And I think that might turn off a couple, some people just cause it's kind of weird. As they say, and part of me for using this, but I'm just quoting as they say in tropic thunder, never go full retard. Yeah. What is the sport of rate? Is it football? Football. Football. Yeah. Yeah. What is the sport of radio? It's a football football. Yeah, yeah. I could see the box cover, but like I

never actually saw the movie. Okay. Ranking it up there. What do you love about radio? What do you love about radio? Well, I come from a family that has people that with a developmental disability. So we kind of watched a lot of those movies. Uh, and a lot of people don't really think about how people with disabilities, you know, have to struggle with fitting in and aren't accepted. So it's just kind of, you know, it tugs at those heartstrings for families like that.

Kind of makes me look like a bad person for quoting propic thunder, but thanks for your answer. Well, no, but you got a good point. Cause it's like a person that, uh, is, you know, doesn't have a disability able to be playing, playing someone differently abled, but you're saying as someone who comes from a family that's dealt with those issues, you don't mind that so much, you like this film. Well, I did like the film just because yeah, it tugs at those

heartstrings. So cool. All right. Thanks, Teticus. Appreciate it. Yeah, I do got to check out radio that I like because I love Cuba and I love Ed Harris. I always liked those movies in the nineties. I don't know why I never ended up seeing a radio Chile. Chile. You there? Hey, hey there fellas. Hey, what's going on? Not much. I haven't heard mine yet, so I'm excited to share it with you guys.

Slapshot? Slapshot. Slapshot, which I haven't seen, but I hear great things. Yeah. Classic hockey movie. Movie about hockey where nobody learns a thing at the end of the film, nobody has gotten better. No characters have been developed.

No, nothing has been solved. It's just a hockey movie through and through. The Hansen Brothers kick some ass. It's a great movie. Awesome, yeah. I also have never seen Slapshot and I'm very, I've always wanted to see it and I just wanna, I feel like it's been so long now

and it's been so hyped up to me that like, first of all, I'm nervous that I'm not gonna like it always wanted to see it. And I just want to, I feel like it's been so long now and it's been so hyped up to me that like, first of all, I'm nervous that I'm not going to like it because of how hyped it's been. But secondly, I'm like, I got to watch it in the perfect situation. Like to me, I'm like, I want to watch Slapshot projected on our wall in the office, like with Skid. I'm assuming Skid is a big Slapshot fan.

So we'll have to find out. I want to see it in the perfect situation. Nate Dogg, still, actually I already mentioned one of my five there episodes. Six, eight, nine, and 10 have not been mentioned. Nate Dogg, can you find any of these movies? These are all, by the way, none of these are obscure. All right, Nate Dogg not there at the moment. Let's go to Ultimate Frisbee.

Ultimate Frisbee is back. What's up, Ultimate? Good, how are you? Doing great. Doing great. at the moment. Let's go to Ultimate Frisbee. Ultimate Frisbee is back. What's up, Ultimate? Good. How are you? Doing great. Doing great. I'll tell you. I'll give you a hint. It says, your Ultimate Frisbee, Mike from Boston. I'll give you a hint. One of my movies is a bit of a Boston movie, if I'm not mistaken. I think it's a Boston movie. Can you, what do you got? What's your favorite? What's one of your favorites? Okay. So my favorite, I was gonna go between comedy and serious. I'm gonna go with serious. Cinderella Man.

No, that's a good one. Cinderella Man. Paul Giamatti and the great Russell Crowe, who I love. That is, that's a great one. And who is, who plays his love interest in that? Is it Zellweger? Yeah, Renée Zellweger, that's right, yeah. Loved that movie.

I loved Cinderella man good call I only got beat out of my list because I picked Rocky that's why I didn't do Cinderella man yeah I think you I think you went with the more the more popular less good movie to be honest the less good movie Wow you're gonna say that about Rocky this motherfucker Rocky isn't as good as Cinderella man. Oh my god Ultimate Russell Crowe and he speaks you can understand him. So long sounds like a mouthful of marbles. Oh That's your problem. He struggles Rocky struggles. He sees a piece of boxers a fighter He's not he is one of the all-time great films period

Cinderella man is one of the all-time great films, period. Cinderella Man is one of the best boxing movies. All right, that's fair. At least you're not saying The Fighter with Mark Wahlberg. How did Cinderella Man do in the old awards category? I feel like there might have been some awards for that movie. Let's find out, but I will say it probably isn't considered a cinema classic that is on everyone's tongue with a character that is a household name. Let's see.

I believe it was. Oh gosh, independent films can be good too? Weird. It was. Cinderella Man, Ron Howard. Yeah, Ron Howard. It was nominated for best actor in a performance in a supporting role, Paul Giamatti, nominated for best film editing and best makeup.

Okay, so... It won a Critics' Choice Award for Paul Giamatti. Thank you, Ultimate, for the Cinderella Man. Good point. However, it did not win Best Picture like Rocky did. Best Picture of all movies of the year. Ultimate frisbee giving ultimate bad takes. Ultimate bad takes.

Yeah. All right, let's get Chasm up here. Chasm, who I met also this weekend on tour. Chasm, buddy, are you there? You've had your, you called in a while ago. Sorry, we haven't gotten to you yet. If you're not there, I'll just oh, there you are Oh, hey, sorry Alright hopefully you can hear me All right, perfect number one movie I'd say Serious wise is probably gonna be the 70s longest yard

Yeah longest yard. Yes. I've heard great Uh, longest yard. Yeah. Longest yard. Uh, yes, I've heard great things. I haven't seen it. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the prison football movie where the, uh, the ex football star gets arrested for something and well, I mean, yeah, it's, it's a really good movie. Really serious. There's the 2005 remake with Adam Sandler. That's also not too bad, but I don't think it beats, uh, happy Gilmore. Well, you know, I'm on your side here because you've just picked another Burt Reynolds movie, one of the all time great stash. And you also picked a movie directed by Robert Aldrich, who's directed

all kinds of incredible movies, including whatever happened to baby Jane and the dirty dozen. So love the dirty. I need to see the longest yard. I never saw it. And thanks for calling me, Ches. I think I need to see it too. I'm writing it down.

I wrote down Days of Thunder, Hoosiers, and now I'm writing down the longest yard. I still haven't seen it. Man, I've written down a bunch of written down. Air, which I did see, but only saw once. Semi-tough, Blackberry, The Iron Claw, Slapshot, the longest yard Yard. I mean, so much, so much to get to. Do we have to keep this show moving? I mean, where are we at here? I think we do. Can I have a couple of your honorable mentions, Joe, before we go on? Alright, honorable mentions. I'll go down the list. Jen with Two N's just nailed my

Boston movie, and at number 10 is The Fighter, Mark Wahlberg and Christian Bale. That means Christian Bale appears twice. I'm the one who's fighting. Not you, not you, and not you. I really enjoyed that movie. I'm the one who's fighting. So that was another fighter movie, but it got knocked down a little bit for me. Going back up from there, number nine is Rudy for me. Loved Rudy, kind of grew up on Rudy. Number eight, God, I love to try to watch it every spring. It's not Moneyball for me as I've gotten to, it's kind of a different way of appreciating movies,

but man, when I was a teenager and straight up there in my twenties, Field of Dreams. Field of Dreams, sure, yeah. Comes in at number eight, and then the only one left for me besides Seabiscuit, which I mentioned, is a baseball movie, another baseball movie, based on, based loosely on a true story. Um, I'm trying to think of how to give you clues on this without big movie,

major film, major stars in it. No, not the natural actually can't. If I saw the natural, I don't remember it. So I gotta rewatch the natural. It's the one where he hits the lights and the sparks come down. Anyway, go ahead. This movie is major, huge release, major stars all over it, including a huge pop star at the time is in it. Huge pop music star is in it.

I don't know. We're gonna go with a league of their own. Of course. A league of their own love. Of course. A league of their own love. Of course. A league of their own. Tom Hanks, Jeana Davis. That's what my wife said.

Yeah, sorry, go ahead. That's what my wife said when I told her I was writing a sports movie. She was like, a league of their own. And I was like, Kara, I can't do that one because it's about women. Why don't you do that on your lady cast? Yeah, take it to your lady lists.

Yeah, love League of Their Own. Actually, League of Their Own was number six, so it was really hard. I could have easily just put it over Ford versus Ferrari, but I was trying to show a little bit of the themes I loved in Ford versus Ferrari and all the shooting and the modernization of the, just to give one modern sports movie. But yeah, um, God, a lovely of their own. All right. We have spent so much time on our first two topics, which is our way. That's our way for the chat starts screaming, we're not going to have enough

time. Let's move on to my obscure obsession. What is something you'd like to tell us about that? No one has ever heard of and I really had to rack my brain to come up with one for myself And I don't think I have managed to come up with something No one has ever heard of and I also wasn't sure exactly You know whether it's not that you're picking a whole genre You're probably picking a specific thing a specific TV show or a specific book series, right? Maybe a TTRPG. Obviously, this is the first time we're doing this. We're learning as we go here. This is

very loose how we're going to interpret this. I don't think it has to be something no one has ever heard of, though that would be amazing. And I do think it can be a genre that is not as popular as several other genres. In fact, I'd like to give the floor to our producer and good buddy, McD for a second here. Just McD hadn't as an example, because he mentioned this after a show, we were having a beer after a show on the road. And he talked about a genre he's into that, of course, people have heard of, I just had no idea the extent of it. And he talked about a genre he's into that of course people have heard of I just had no idea the extent of it And he's definitely obsessed with it because he consumes so much of it McD give us a brief overview of an example of what my obscure obsession would be

Gladly buddy. How you doing? I'm doing great buddy. Good to hear you. Good to hear you. Great. I guess so what I'm into and have been for a little while now, is military zombie fiction. Yes. Military zombie fiction. So World War Z? Wait, is that military? No.

That probably the most popular example, right? The book of World War Z is not really that. Have you guys ever read that book? Yeah, it's all written as like diary entries from. Yes. Yes. Survivors. No, no, no, no. What we're talking about is like, which it's not even really a term, apparently, says people in special forces, but like tier one operators, like against the world. Right.

It's like this special forces people are like, that's not a thing. That's not really a term, apparently. But, you know, just like badass dudes, one hot scientist, probably a dog. There's probably a dog. There's one series where the dog is also a tier one operator. And he like, the dog has whole chapters where it's from the dog's point of view and he's also badass and on mission at all times. So special forces teams after the zombie apocalypse.

Correct. What would happen? This is the zombie apocalypse with highly trained, well-armed individuals kind of thing. And then we're talking about novel series. We are talking about novels and novella series. There's a lot of that on Kindle Unlimited. And are there multiple series by different authors?

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, cool. Yeah. Once you read one, you know, unlimited will just keep giving them to you. You like that trash? I'm going to read a reason you gave me that one. A reason is fantastic. I like a reason is one of the real good ones. Rodith in Discord chat said Black Tide Rising. Oh, yeah. Black Tide Rising. Military zombie fiction.

All right. They go. Rodith. Somebody said. Black Tide Rising. Pretty good. Pretty good. Anyway, there's an example. There's an example of what we're talking about. That's a great one. Well, come on up here and tell us, Acting Grey has an obscure obsession. And by the way, we are going to run you down if it's not obscure.

Jared will eviscerate you. Hello, can you hear me? So prepare yourself. You know I will. Yeah, we got you. What's going on, Acting? Hey, how's it going? Thanks for taking my call.

Our pleasure. What is your obscure obsession? So it's actually, it ties into a little bit to the original topic, but, um, are you familiar with the term of second circle? No. So it's a, um, it's a kind of, it's a concept around the idea of being present, like in, in life. So, and it's, I, I, as you can probably infer from my handle,

I'm an actor, I teach acting at university. So I'm really interested in how to develop and teach presence, because you can't really teach someone how to be like a good performer necessarily, but you can teach them how to be like a good performer necessarily, but you can teach them how to be fully engaged and present, open, listening, which is all tied into what I think makes a good role player.

So there's this book called Second Circle by this person named Patsy Rodenberg. She's a kind of well-regarded voice and speech teacher from the UK. So that's kind of what I've been really kind of well-regarded voice and speech teacher from the UK. So that's kind of what I've been really kind of investigating for the last six months since I started teaching at university. And so I just really took a deep dive on how to teach somebody to be a good listener, how to be a good listener myself,

how to be fully engaged. And so there's second circle, which is presence. How to use so wait I just want to be clear I just want to be clear Joe we asked for an obscure pop culture obsession well yeah you never said pop culture that's true we never said this is an obscure obsession it is it is a book from 2008 called the second circle how to use positive energy for success in every situation. Interesting.

Yeah. Focusing in on teaching people how to listen, how to be present. I use negativity for mediocrity in every situation. And that's why we love you. To great success. All right. Thank you, Acting. Like we said, we're short on time, so we want to get as many weird obsessions in here as

we can. I mean, that was pretty obscure. But yes, not very popular. That was obscure. That was an acting method. So yeah, pretty obscure. Pretty obscure. Didn't think we were going to get any acting methods.

All right. Let's go to KillTorresKill. Kill, are you there? Hello. What's up? Hey, Kill. Let's go to kill Torres kill kill. Are you there? What's up? Hey kill. Do you have a you got an obscure obsession for us to teach us?

It's it's becoming less obscure now. It's it's an Australian psychedelic rock band called King Gizzard and the lizard wizard. I haven't heard of you, you never heard of them. If you've never heard of them, you've got to check out some of their stuff. They do crazy shit. OK, I want to say right now rules. This is right. He's a fucking yes.

No, they're like different genres. It's fantastic. Have you seen them Nice. All their albums are like different genres. It's fantastic. Have you seen them live? King Gizzard and the Lizard. Oh, yeah. All right. I'm actually going out in a few weeks to go see them in a, at Bonnard. Oh, sick.

Great. Oh, my God. Awesome. So I have the link to their website. Their artwork is dope. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Thank you, Kiltor. I'm gonna listen.

That is a successful call in the obscure obsession. I love psychedelic music, so I'm going to listen. Oh, that's awesome. Damon Evox. Damon Evox, what's your obscure obsession? What's going on guys? What's up? All right. So my obscure obsession is called Tuvan throat singing. Tuvan. Are you familiar with? Yeah. So Mongolian throat singing. Tuvan. Are you familiar with? Yeah. So Mongolian throat singing. And the reason that it's in pop culture is it's all throughout the new Dune movie. Oh, you know what? I think that's a great answer.

But I have heard of Tuvan throat singing that while that makes you the weirdo. I had a player at an at home Pathfinder game do a bard whose specialty was Tuvan throat singing. You the weirdo. I had a player at an at-home Pathfinder game do a bard whose specialty was to have been throat singing Well, I can do it for you guys if you'd like right now. Yes, we do. Let's see an example, please Wow that is doing you that sounded. Wow. That is in Dune. That sounded like it was straight out of Dune. We're gonna keep you on the line to just continue doing that while we take other calls.

Yeah. If only the constant limiter and compressor on Discord wouldn't mute you whenever anyone else talks. We would just love to have that droning tone in the background of our show to increase the suspenseful vibes. It makes a nice mood, you know? Yeah, that's a good one. Do you listen to it while you're working on bills at home? Oh, absolutely. The Who as the metal band, the Institute's Mongolian throw singing into their music. And then I just have a droning noise to keep, you know, the voices away. So that,

that helps me out too. Nice. I'm going to try it. I'm going to try it while I'm working on my, my GM prep. I'm going to turn on some tube and throat singing. Did you just say, there you go. Did you just say the name of an actual band? Yes. it's the it's the who the H you they're a Mongolian metal band and they are awesome. Okay, dude. Nice is what I'm talking about. Yes, it's what I needed my life. Mongolian metal band. Nice. All right, let's do one more. We'll do one more. One more. Let's go with who had their thing as soon as I, Blueberry, Blueberry, did you have an obscure obsession or was this from an earlier segment? I feel like you raised your hand at the obscure obsession. Yes, I was kind of waiting for that

and now I kind of feel bad that it's not really pop culturey and it's something that everybody's heard of, but never think about. Okay, well go ahead. We'll let Jared make fun of you. Go ahead. The ins and outs of food manufacturing is just fascinating to me. The way that it goes from being pre-made to on the shelves. One of my famous facts is NASA actually improved how we, at Stolius today, how food safety works in a manufacturing setting. And, uh, I was for about, uh, about five years, a, uh, food quality technician is just fascinating all the little bits and pieces that go into making the food that's on the shelves.

Well, how do you learn about this? Is this like through documentaries or you just reading? Yeah. How do you like learn? You can actually go to school to become a food scientist. Um, that, you know, specializes in there's various different fields. There's a such thing as an ice cream scientist as well, too. Huh.

Um, let's see what else. I think that's what my six year old told me she wants to be when she grows up. Hey, if she has a palette. I want to be an ice cream scientist. If she has a palette and wants to study how crystalline features happen in certain mixtures of dairy products, go have at it. Come to my neck in the woods. Got tons of creameries, you know?

State, Michigan State. He just told us that Penn State has an ice cream science program. Wow. Yep. I don't know if he's joking. Probably not. Yeah, and so I worked at a Heinz factory for many years and I could still pick up Heinz vinegar bottle and actually read the code

that they print on it. And with a little bit of buffering, I can tell you which factory that bottle of vinegar was produced from, what shift, what month and what time. Wow. Well, I gotta say that is very obscure. You won me over blueberry by the end. Yes. I've heard of food, but I certainly never think of it this way. Yes. I've certainly never heard of the factory code on the back of a bottle of vinegar.

Yeah. And how it breaks down and stuff. And, oh man, I have some interesting workplace accidents in times where we've had to pretty much destroy product because people aren't that great. But something to bring it to pop culture a little bit is the movie New in Town. Let's see, I think it's Jane Marston and Renee Zellweger.

That movie as someone who's obsessed about food safety and food quality. Pisses me the hell off. Cause Renee Zellweger, she walks into that factory with high heels. In open grading. I'm like, no. And I see so many scenes where they're around food product. I'm like, where are your hair nuts? Like, yeah. Wow.

All right, Blueberry, thank you so much. You definitely watch movies with a different eye than I do. That's amazing. Blueberry, the only person I know who hate watches the 2009 rom-com new in town That's great That is so funny. I like to watch it be like I can't even watch this They're being unsafe. Where are your hair nets?

All right, I'm gonna get one more in one more we. We'll try one more and then we gotta go fast. Can Misery. Can Misery. Hello, can you hear me? Yeah, we got you. What's your obscure obsession? Fast. Okay, my obscure obsession is Richard Marchenko novels and novels of that type.

Like they're the sort of like maximalist, like special forces story. But it's also told a little bit tongue in cheek where he like cans himself on a rope ladder and stuff like that. So as somebody who spent time in the military, it's like that super macho stuff combined with the you just fucked it up. Just really find it absolutely this is Richard Marchenko. Richard Marchenko. He has an autobiography. He's written serious stuff.

He was actually a SEAL Team commander and then has published like 14 books or whatever afterwards where he goes on various adventures. So you're saying it's like ultra macho, like SEAL Team fiction, but that also he kind of gets into how the ops go sideways. Uh, a little bit. Yeah. It's a chunk of it is, um, like that bit in when you do anything in real life, like you have this plan, you're going to do a thing and then you miss like he's got a ponytail. So he's like, he forgets about it and it gets caught in something and then he gets punched in the face.

So wait, you keep saying, you keep saying, you keep saying he or all of these books like Richard Marchenko, he inserted himself as the hero of all these books. So basically the premise is, is like, he is retired from the Navy SEALs and yet the government keeps calling him to save the day. Got it. Wow. That sounds awesome. I'm looking up his Wikipedia and it just, it says that he became an author, but it doesn't go deep into his books. It goes more into like the, at least the Wikipedia more into his life as like a SEAL team member. So that's amazing. He had a real career before he

wrote these books. He's also doing red sell ops and stuff like that. And he also passed away in 2021 at 81 years old. So he's older than I was imagining. Yeah. So, yeah, the bulk of these books were written when in like the 80s? I know that. Well, some of them go back to like early 80s, but the most recent book is like 2014. OK, really? OK. He wrote like 14 books from the eighties through the

2010s. Okay. All right. Cool. Can't misery. That was a good one. That sounds good. That's a good one Yeah, those were obscure. We got to do this again. Yeah, we do that was really fun We're gonna come back for more of your guys obscure obsessions because I'm learning shit today, man I can't wait to check out King gizzard and the Lizard Wizard I'll tell you that much. I also didn't know that that dope ass like sound is all I could describe it as in Dune was called Tooth and Throat singing. I didn't know that was a thing. This is and now I'm going to check out this Mongolian metal band. All right I'm down. Let's move on. Yeah the who? The the who. Let's move on. The HU. Let me have your travel log, my friend.

I can't wait a year. Your travel log. Speedy edition. So we went to Ann Arbor, Michigan, a place that I had been many, many, many years ago. I just kind of passed through because when I was in college, I had to do something at an Ipsilanti at Eastern Michigan University, and that is about six miles from Ann Arbor. So I had passed through the town, but I hadn't been back for 20 plus years and so this was a great chance to go back there. Great downtown, great little town and multiple

gaming stores here but I hit up a gaming store in Ann Arbor that I'm excited to share with you guys. It was called the Sylvan Factory. The Sylvan Factory, relatively new, I think it's been open like three years or something like that. Okay. And I went with skid Matthew, Sydney, and Kate, all of us after our little lunch, walked over to this game store, just like, Hey, we love going to a game store in a different city. We stroll in the store is awesome.

It's like beautiful and large. And, um, you know, it's not overwhelming with like stacks and stacks and stacks of board games and comics and collectibles and toys. It was kind of like open, uh, spread out very choice selections of everything, not everything in the world, but choice selections. And then 60% of the store was just tables and like right, or just Lee maintained tables with beautiful

red table cloths. It looked very themed. Everything was very like color coordinated. It just looked like a really well taken care of place. Their board game selection was like so good. They just basically kept, they didn't have all the board games in the world, but the ones they did show were like obscure and awesome board games. So it was really like, you know, whoever run the world, but the ones they did show were like obscure and awesome board games. So it was really like, you know, whoever run the brand, the place knew what they were doing. Who the guy who ran the place, his name is Todd Matic was there and it was just him. He was just in there working behind the counter. And when we walked in, there

were no other customers. It was awesome. So we got the, the face to face treatment. They, you know, he talked us through like so many fun things, including me asking about Star Wars Unlimited, which Rob Kirkovich is way into. And I saw a big Star Wars display there. And Matthew and I were like, should we get into this? So we start talking to him about it, the owner, Todd Maddock, very nice guy.

And he goes into like all of the, the schedule of this game store. And it was amazing, dude. Like they play magic in there five nights a week. Wow. And each night is different. Like there's commander night, there's draft night. There's like we were talking about last week, like learning all the different magics, he's like, it just fills the place every night, but then they have a

TTRPG night they sprinkle in there. Awesome. And they have a little Star place every night. But then they have a TTRPG night they sprinkle in there. Awesome. And they have a little Star Wars Unlimited night. So we start talking Star Wars Unlimited. And I ended up buying my first Star Wars Unlimited deck. Oh. Oh, no. Boba Fett deck.

Yes. I took a picture of it and sent it to Rob Kirkevich and was like, should I buy this? And he's like, absolutely. And so Matthew bought a Han Solo deck. I bought a Boba Fett deck. And Skid bought a bunch of booster packs. So we're ready to get in the game.

And then I reached over and I grabbed, so we haven't played it yet. We're gonna play it in Vegas. And then I grabbed, have you heard of this one? The Crew? Have you heard of The Crew yet? No. Okay, so I'll bring it back up in a second.

The Crew is an awesome, trick-taking, cooperative, like fun game among friends. Four players generally, and it's a trick-taking card game where you're working together to complete missions. It's space-themed, but it's just a card game. You play it like you play cards, and I don't need to get into all the mechanics. This is The Crew family adventure. It's kind of like you play cards. And I don't need to get into all the mechanics. This is the crew family adventure. It's kind of like Swiss Family Robinson. And they say simplify the rules for eight and up. So you can play with eight year olds. It says 15 minute playtime. There are 35 missions for survival on the island. I was like, this looks great. So I picked this up. That sounds awesome. Yeah. So I'm so excited to play with my kids. Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be really fun.

Yeah. It's going to be great. So that was awesome. Oh, and so I buy the Boba Fett pack and the crew and then I'm like, thank you. Signing off. Appreciate you. And we're about to leave. And he asked us about what we, you know, it comes up that we're doing a show in town. We're like, you should come up that we're doing a show in town. We're like, you should come by. We're doing a Pathfinder show. He's like, holy crap, that's awesome. He talks about how his 18 year old twins are, are starting to cut out their magic time because

it's cutting too much into their TTRPG play. He's like, they're getting way more into TTRPGs than, than magic. And he was like, next time you guys are in town, let me know. I will paper this place with flyers for you and just hand them out to everybody. Just really well run business by this dude. And as we were leaving, he just goes, wait a minute, wait a minute. And he reached under the counter and he just hands this across to me. Don't be fooled by the box. This is not a magic box. It is just filled with Star Wars Unlimited common and uncommon cards.

He just hands it over to me. There's no rares in here or anything, but he's like, I want to give this to people that want to get started on Star Wars. Just take it. He's like, we hand out common and uncommons to people from time to time. He's like, just take the whole box uncommons to people from time to time.

He's like, just take the whole box. You could build more decks with it and get more of your friends playing. Just a real cool game store. All right, fine, Joe. I'll buy a Star Wars Unlimited deck. Yes! Yes!

And we're going to have Rob teach us in Vegas, and we'll learn how to play. That sounds awesome. And let's just, the Sylvan Factory, Ann Arbor, Michigan. The Sylvan Factory, Ann Arbor, Michigan. Todd Maddockduck is it with Todd Madduck was the guy's name. Todd T O D D M A D D O C K Todd Madduck. Just go check it out if you're in Ann Arbor. And I think I might be going to, I'm not positive. I might be going to Ann Arbor for standup this year.

So I'm going to go to the Sylvan factory. Yeah. Go to the Sylvan factory. Anyway, terrific game store. So let's move on to your GM Fiat. As always with these little editorials, I encourage you to get on the discord and argue with me later. Let's get into it. Let me set the table for you. I'm the GM. I've bought the rule book for the game. We're going to play. I've the GM. I've bought the rule book for the game we're going to play. I've read it.

I've learned the rules. I've prepared an adventure. And then I've gotten four adults with busy schedules to agree to a night for us to play the game. We have four hours. If we're lucky, we have four hours to play the game. And then the day play the game. And then, the day of the game, the text goes out. Hey guys, what food are we ordering? I am here to make an unpopular,

but I think very reasonable proposal. Can we stop doing dinner when we're playing role playing games? Oh, interesting. First, everyone has to decide where to order from. That's 70 texts. Okay. Then everybody has to send in their order.

And don't think as the GM, I notice everyone is way more engaged in the food process than when I sent messages about the game. The guy I had to email five times to get to agree to a date instantly messages back that he's having the pad key mail instantly. Then there's the food delivery. I arrive ready to play. Sometimes the food arrives at the beginning of the night, in which case

I have to wait an hour for everyone to eat before we can start, meaning we now have three hours to play. But more often, Joe, the food arrives late. So after I've gotten everyone's attention, explained the rules, set the scene, and started the story, just as we're about to get rolling, the doorbell rings and suddenly the game is completely forgotten so people can spend 15 minutes just handing out the food. I had egg rolls. These are spring rolls. Did you have spring rolls? No, these are egg rolls. Now everybody puts their five course dinner down on the table we're playing on and gets

sauce on my maps and character sheets. They push all the books and miniatures off the table because we can forget about that shit until an hour from now. Sometimes people try to eat a full meal while they're playing. I ask a player what their character is doing. And they have no idea what's happening because their attention was fully fixated on orange chicken. Sometimes we're in the middle of a role playing scene and someone is trying to

seduce the Duke with noodles hanging out of their mouth. An hour later, as people are finishing their food, suddenly one of the players goes, OK, who wants dessert? And the process starts again. Listen, guys, let's just have dinner, OK? Why are we letting the game get in the way of dinner? You're my friends. I like having dinner with you.

Let's just do that instead. Why doesn't one of you schedule that? And you can do all the work to make the dinner happen. Kind of like how I did all the work to make this game happen. You wanna have dinner, don't let me and my stupid game stand in your way. Oh, and here's a wild idea.

Why don't you fucking eat before you come like a fucking adult? If I invited you to play basketball, you wouldn't eat a sandwich while we were playing. You wouldn't bring lasagna on a hike. You wouldn't come to watch my improv team perform with falafel in your mouth. So why is dinner part of RPGs? And before chat launches into a LAR, a long string of, but wait, wait, no, what did, of course, potato chips and soda are fine. I'm talking about dinner, but no alcohol because everyone already makes horrible decisions

as players before you even add alcohol. So please no alcohol. Okay, that's it. Call me and let's have dinner sometime. Well done. Well said. Thank you. I mean, I gotta admit, when you started off, I was like, I don't

know, man. I love a little snack at the game table, but yeah, the whole, the whole game stops. Things get pushed around. Everybody focused on. Yeah, it is. No, you only have to, I can't believe you even say there's four hours. I mean, that is a dream. Typically with, uh, you know, working adults with families, you're like two to three hours you can get in an evening on a good one. And so yeah, you don't want to fill that up with eating. An hour less if food is being eaten. You get an hour less if there's food.

Yeah. Yeah. Good point. I'm right about this. I'm right about this. As usual, I'm right. Right in, right in on YouTube, right in on Discord. Let us know.

Is Jared right about this? Should dinner be a part of a less than six hour RPG session? Right in, let us know your thoughts. Buddy, thank you so much. Another really fun John Janski. Thank you. Thank you, callers. I want to give people a heads up as we're on the way out here. Next week, we are good to go, but the week after that, we're going to Vegas, baby. The 10 year anniversary of the Glass Cannon podcast is upon us. And as a result, at that time, we will not have a Glass Cannon radio that week. So June 11th, there will not be a Glass Cannon radio.

So prepare yourselves emotionally, mentally for that. We'll come back stoked from Vegas and tell you all about it if you didn't get to come. We'll come back with a nice Vegas segment on the 18th. We're already talking about fun stuff we're gonna do in that episode, including a possible guest. I'm very excited for that one. We'll see if we can nail that down

by next week, June 4th when we return. So that's it for us this week. Thanks everybody. You guys are the best. I hope you have a wonderful week and weekend and we'll see you next time. Take care everybody. Bye. Bye bye.

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