The Glass Cannon Podcast - Glass Cannon Radio #27 – Gen Con 2025/When to Roll Dice/The Fantastic Four Review

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

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You are listening to the Glass Cannon Network, the premier source for role-playing game entertainment. This is Glass Cannon Radio with your hosts Jared Logan and Joe O'Brien. Hey, it's Glass Cannon Radio. Suck a whiz whiz, suck a bang bang. That's a new catchphrase I'm trying out. Suck a whiz whiz, suck a bang bang. Okay. Okay. It made me laugh. It would make me laugh a hundred times in a row, I think. It makes me feel good to say it. Suck a whiz whiz, suck a bang bang.

By the way, I'm in my in-laws house, so I hope they listened in on that part. What's up, buddy? Good to have you back. Oh, it's great to be back. Mary Lou, now that she's been fired from the Glass Cannon. I wish this was a joke. Joe, you're laughing, but it's true. She's no longer with us.

I am once again the permanent, after this regime change and coup, I am once again the permanent host of Glass Cannon Radio. Oh, thank God. Thank God. Very happy to be back. We have a special Gen Con episode of Glass Cannon Radio today, and here are some special things about it. One, it's on a Tuesday. What the fuck?

Two, it's only an hour long. But Jared, does that mean we're doing less topics? No, we're going to do the same amount of topics, but we're going to do them in a more frenzied, feverish way. Lightning rounds. Yes. Five straight lightning rounds. Five lightning rounds.

As always, you can call in, you can give your two cents and you can participate in the contest today. Yeah. Oh, it's a good one, by the way. We'll give the deets in a second. But yeah, winner of the contest today is going to get a, oh man, a book, a brand new tabletop role playing book that isn't even out yet. Just say it.

What the? Just say it. They're writing it right now. They're writing it for you right now. You're not going to tell me what it is yet. Okay, no problem. I'll get to that in a second. Let's preview the show first with Gen Con 2025 up around the corner. We're going to talk Gen Con for a minute. Yeah, we're going to talk a little bit about what we're doing at Gen Con in terms of what games we're playing, what we're excited about, and the gaming aspects.

Then we're going to talk a little bit about cons in general. And we'd love you to call in Wayne. What's your favorite convention you've been to? And then Jared has had this on our list for a while, and I'm excited. We're going to talk about it. When to roll a die. And my answer might surprise you. Then we're going to talk about Fantastic Four, a little brief review. I would say spoiler light. Obviously,

you're going to say some things, but we're not going to spoil everything. But we are going to give a little review of that film because we both happen to see it. We both saw it. I mean, I never get to go to the movies for the new movie. So we saw that. That's going to be awesome. And of course, we'll wrap it up with this awesome award. I'm just going to tie. I want to lead off with the award before we get into Gen Con. Speaking of Gen Con, you know, this is the time of year when a lot of publishers put their new stuff out and, you know, we have Starfinder 2E dropping this

weekend, which is so exciting. We played some of that and we talked about that. And then we talked about that last week. And also coming out just after Gen Con published release for this is August 12th, 2025. I'll be honest, I'm going to give this away today and I thought about canceling the contest because I wanted to keep it. Jared, I think you're going to be drooling as well.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you an early copy from our good friends at Free League. Coriolis, The Great Dark. Oh, I want that. A brand new version of the game. This isn't an expansion. This is a new core rule system that is a role playing game about exploration and intrigue. It is... Where did I see the summary of it? I love Coriolis.

I love Coriolis. I know. And I've only gotten to play it once. I played the old version and I really want the great dark. Here's what it is. Inspired, dude, inspired by 19th century expeditions, deep sea diving and pulp archeology is the background and inspiration for this science fiction.

In space. So whoever wins the calling contest today, we're going to ship that out to you. Awesome. Well, should we ask them the contest question? Should we go ahead and get into what the contest question is? Yeah. Let's do it. By all means, let's do it. So in honor of the Fantastic Four first steps, the Fantastic Four being a superhero family. Today, we're going to ask the question, who is the best family in fiction? Other than the Fantastic Four, obviously, who is the best family in fiction?

Can be any kind of family, but they must be fictional. Please do not say a real life family. And now that I've given that warning, three people definitely will. Best answer by the end of the show gets Coriolis the Great Dark. How sweet is that? Joe, we can stall no longer. We have an hour. We must begin. Yes, we must begin. Let's talk Gen Con 2025.

Let's talk Gen Con 2025. What are you most excited about? What are you looking forward to gaming wise? I'm looking forward to, I mean, I'm playing Starfinder for the first time on stage. That's interesting, right? Yeah. But I really want to get deep into Starfinder to run the new version of Starfinder eventually. I'm very, very stoked for that. Yeah, having never played it.

I did have the 1E core book, but I never got to play it. So I'm excited for that. I'm excited for our gauntlets at the booth, running some Pathfinder monsters against people. Yup. That's gonna be cool because you get to play with like the miniatures and then that incredible terrain that has been provided for us.

Who provides that for us, Joe? Dwarven Forge. Dwarven Forge provides this amazing 3D terrain. And then you do with the painted minis and you get to do iconic GCN heroes, all painted, great little minis that we made over at Hero Forge. And yeah, it's just I look forward to it so much. It's gonna be awesome I'm not normally a terrain guy, but when someone just gives you all this incredible terrain Suddenly all these story possibilities. You're like, oh this changed this encounter I can use all these little details in the landscape. So that's kind of a fun way to play

If I had six6 million, maybe I would buy all that shit. I buy one of those tables called the ambassador, you know, with like the view screens built in and all that stuff. That would be that would be sick. I'm also looking forward to Starfinder 2e. I'm looking forward to playing it. I ran it for Paula, Mary Lou, Sydney, and Rob Kirkevich. So I'm very excited. So that's going to air during GenCon. So we've already played, we talked about it last week, Mary Lou created her character or started to create her character. She made some changes, but a lot of the bigger concepts are still in there.

And that's going to be a two-parter that's airing during Gen Con. So tune in on Thursday on YouTube at 10 AM Eastern. Right out of the gate, first thing for Gen Con is going to be part one of our Starfinder 2E game with me running that awesome group. And we had so much fun. Jared, that I seriously think I think you're really

going to like Starfinder 2E. It's just so awesome. There's so much fun stuff. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm also excited for my standup show. Can I plug that? Yeah. There are still tickets left. We are, but not that many. We are, it says Saturday, 5 PM. I'm trying to find the exact place here. It's probably in the Weston or something. Saturday at 5 p.m.

Where's the location? And you're really good at plugging yourself. Oh yeah, Weston Capital Ballroom, it's right here. Weston Capital Ballroom. Yes, the Capital Ballroom. Very impressive. And I will be in my finest ball attire. Which probably means the Lord of the Rings t-shirts. So it's going to be really fun.

It's going to be really interactive and it's going to be really silly. So I'm really going to cater it to the crowd there at Gen Con. So please come, grab a ticket and come and see me. That's Saturday, 5pm in the Weston Capital Ballroom. Do you get nervous for that? I don't get nervous to perform really. You know what happens to me? I weirdly like I start yawning like my body sometimes does weird things, but mentally emotionally I don't get nervous to perform. That's so cool. I'm addicted to it. It's a sickness. It's a sickness.

I am also gonna be playing, I can't remember if you are, I don't think you are, I'm gonna be playing a little Marvel multiverse role playing game. Literally my dice are on my desk, so I remember to pack them in a minute here as I begin packing right at the end of this call, or at the end of the show. I'm excited to get back and play a little Marvel. We're going to be playing the Fantastic Four this time, which is why I went to see the

movie and why we're going to talk about it a little later in the show. So I love Marvel Multiverse Role Playing Game. Any chance I can get to play that is awesome. So that's going to be really fun. I just finally read, like skimmed through and read some of the Marvel multiverse role-playing game and I plan to come to the show you're doing and just get up on stage and Push someone else off so that I can play it. There you go, but I'm going to be T'Challa the Black Panther Amazing the

What else what else the oh dude, we're doing Get in the Trunk Live. We're doing Get in the Trunk Live, which is going to be so sick. I'm very much looking forward to that original scenario written by Shane Ivey over at Arc Dream for that. Oh, cool. Oh, that's very cool. I didn't realize that. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's going to be really fun. Love getting a chance to play some Delta Green. And. Yeah. So that's going to be really fun. Love getting a chance to play some Delta Green. And then, yeah, I was talking to Paulie yesterday. We recorded Blood of the Wild and we were talking about some board games that may be coming out, may be available there. So I'm looking forward to checking that out as well.

I have a board game that I'm interested in, actually. And this isn't normally... I'm not a giant board game guy, but I do like them. And I think on this show I've talked about my favorite board game. I've played in a long time is Dune Imperium. Yes, and Paula has beaten me playing that we played together. She kicked my ass And I played it with my brother and all his friends in Knoxville Everybody loves it because it's a fantastic board game that designer has a new game coming out and it is debuting at Gen Con and I do not like train games. I am not, but it's a train game.

It's a train game. I was like, thank God. We need more train games. I was like, come on, man. This one's called Lightning Train. Well, based on that designer, I would try this, and I might even pick up a copy. Because you never know when you want to bust out a board game. So Lightning Train. I'm excited for that. Hoping to get some time for that.

Yeah. I want to buy stuff. What I do is I keep an eye out for things that I kind of collect and enjoy, like any Conan the Barbarian stuff that might be floating around Dracula stuff Lord of the Rings stuff, of course always and then you know, I'm obsessed with the old world of darkness games

From White Wolf. So sometimes I'll see an old one or something where I'm like, I don't have a copy of that yet. I need, or I used to when I was 16. And maybe if I buy it, I'll feel like I'm 16 again. Maybe life will be like that again. Yeah. Yeah. Cause life was so great when you were 16. Not for me.

You'd never made love to a person before. Curious if anybody else is going to Gen Con. If you are, call in, let us know. Let us know what you're excited about, what you're into, what you're excited to play. But in the interest of keeping it moving here, let's talk about all cons. You can call in and talk about that as well. Is Gen Con the best convention, Jared, for gaming? Jared Slauson Well, you know, I will admit, I haven't been

to that many. Gen Con's the one I've been to the most and I've been going for years and years and years now. Not quite 10 years, but I think I might have seven or eight logged in now. Mad Fientist So you're biased is what you're saying. Jared Slauson I'm biased. I mean, I've been to Dragon Con. I've been to SDCC a couple of times,

including just this last weekend. So if you're like a tabletop gamer, if that's what you're into, what's better, Gen Con or San Diego Comic Con? I did do tabletop gaming at San Diego Comic Con, but it is definitely in the minority. Yeah. And I mean, literally in like a basement. It's like, it's, it's basically not there.

So, yeah, it, you know, I think that obviously, you know what? Here's, here is the rub. Now I love Gen Con every year. Okay. But when I used to go before I was part of the Glass Cannon, I would sign up for role-playing games that I could get a spot in that looked good or were that I was interested in and I didn't have any special connect, you know, I didn't have anybody that could hook me up and I

would end up with a random GM at a random table and I would say being generous 80% of those games fucking sucked. They blew asshole out the side of a cow's face. You really, really, really should use GenCon to see panels. I think panels are great. Actual plays are fantastic at GenCon. There's so many great actual plays. You should do game demos. There are role-playing game demos by the company that made the role playing game. And when you, like my brother like did, um, not kids on bikes. What's the one, uh, tails from the loop, like years ago when it was first coming

out and he got a GM that free league had sent to run games of tails from the loop. Those are the things you really have to try to get yourselves in. I know how hard it is to get a seat in these events. You know, this is the thing when these things are like these cons are so mobbed, you have to really work to be the first person on your computer like trying to book events like the second that bookings become open. But game demos from the publishers, from the creators of the game, great. Random Call of Cthulhu game run by just a guy that's coming to the con, don't

do that. It doesn't work out. It's not good. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think if you're a huge RPG fan and you're going to GenCon to try to get in some RPG games in person with randos, it's a, it's a huge risk. I mean, it's a huge risk. Yeah. It's a huge risk. And I think most times you're, you are going to not have the experience you're hoping for.

Uh, but really, you the experience you're hoping for. But really, you're losing time there, but if it's worth it for you, then that's great. There are some experiences that are a little bit more expensive. If you're willing to pay for those, you can get excellent GMs. There are GMs there that are very experienced, that are running games, but they just charge a little bit more. And they, you know, um, especially for games like call of Cthulhu and stuff like that, you can get like celebrity GMs, you know, people that are in the space, writers, people

that write the game or that actual play performers and stuff like that. Like you can totally, um, get seats at those games just through events at Gen Con. But yeah. Don't forget to play with your friends. You know, I mean, years when I would go and we would do the con all day, then we'd go home to the Airbnb, have dinner, and then we'd start gaming some more. We'd be playing, you know, card games and we would be playing RPGs. We played RPGs when we would be and we would go to like one

o'clock in the morning and then get up and do it all again the next day. So I think, you know, Gen Con, if you're there with your friends, that's a unique opportunity to play with your friends. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You get away from all the responsibilities and all you have to do is game. That's the only thing you're supposed to be doing. Buy that book of that game you've been wanting to play and then read it on the car ride back to the Airbnb and then run it for everybody after dinner or during dinner. My favorite thing is the board games. I love getting that chance because board games is something I don't get to do enough of and

I don't have enough people to play with around here that are as into it as I am. That is really great for me and I feel like board games have a much, much, much higher hit rate than RPGs with randos. Like if there's a game you want to play and it's not brand new, you're just like, man, I just really want to get into an all day Twilight Imperium. Right. Or I really want to play a like board games are great because you're going to end up getting people that are passionate about the game that love the game and you don't have to worry about a GM sort of having to run all this performance based kind of stuff.

Those tend to be really awesome and Gen Con is obviously a Mecca for that kind of stuff. You said you've been to Dragon Con. What are some of the pros and cons of Dragon Con? And yeah, again, everybody call in if you want to weigh in on cons, your favorite ones, even if they're small. I'd love to know where they are because there's definitely a lot of benefits to small cons. Well, Joe, I had a whirlwind trip to Dragon Con, but I will say, and you were the one that stated this, I think yesterday, it is definitely the horniest of the conventions.

That was McD, but yes. Oh, it was McD. Okay. But I agree with him. I agree with him. It is the horniest. The cosplay is horny as hell. And you can't throw a brick without hitting a Harley Quinn.

So enjoy your horny, horny. It's hot down there in Atlanta. Whoo, it gets hot. And there's a lot of walking between buildings. It's not like all in one building for Dragon Con. You're kind of moving all over the place. Dragon Con, I was like, I don't need to go back to Dragon Con. It's so fun if that's your thing. But like cosplay isn't my thing. back to Dragon Con. It's so fun if that's your thing, but like cosplay isn't my thing. Gaming is my thing. And there's less of that. It's a lot more, cosplay is not the only thing, but it is a lot more pop culture focused. It is a lot more, I don't know, like is D&D even really there? Like I don't, I think that it was like, I felt like it was the D&D of Gen Con, the Gen Con D&D, but it isn't, I don't think.

Gen Con, significantly, at least for years when I went, had no Wizards of the Coast booth or real presence. People were playing tons of 5e, but again, it was random people that came to the con and decided to run a game. So that's interesting. And I'm not sure why that relationship developed between them and the con. Pathfinder was always there in a real way. And I can remember when 2e first dropped, being able to go upstairs where there was a giant room for Pathfinder. So it's interesting. Oh, I'm looking forward to see Eric Mona. I'm looking forward to see all of my Glass Cannon and Glass Cannon adjacent friends.

Sorry to go on a tangent, but that's sort of my favorite thing is just hanging out with the people, you know. Yeah. I once went to a convention by myself back, geez, I don't know, 10 years ago. I was, I was Jones. And all right, so my convention history is I first went, the first convention I went to was PAX East in 2010 with McD.

McD was like, called me up. He was like, hey, there's this convention, Penny Arcade Expo. It's a video game convention that is for the first time going to come out to the East Coast. It's always in Seattle. They're going to do it in Boston. I think we should go up there, make a trip. And I was like, let's do it. And so we went up to Boston and that really reinvigorated my curiosity about RPGs. Because like, it's a massive video game convention, but there is a good amount of tabletop there, enough that they split off their own sort of thing

and did packs unplugged in Philly. But that first one was like 4E was out and it was like come up and demo some 4e stuff. And I think McD and I grabbed a sheet. We sat in a one hour 4e experience and had a blast. And like, I was like, Oh my God, like this, you know, just like when we were kids, like we should play more of this. And within a year I was playing nonstop all the time. Of course I was playing Pathfinder, but I eventually found out about Pathfinder, but Paxies will always have a special place in my heart. And I think Penny Arcade in general is just the most phenomenal convention. I think that they're just, the vibe is amazing.

It just kind of mixes everything so seamlessly. Everything from massive video game publishers demoing major titles to like indie video gaming to tabletop gaming, open gaming, board game libraries, retro gaming. They have whole arcades set up like all the old arcade games and stuff. To me it's my favorite. I don't think you can beat it. I just love it so much. Now you know I think I like it more than Gen Con. I do because I like video games. So I like getting to be like, bounce back and forth between both. But within a year or two at in Boston, it was so beyond sold out that like, you could just barely move and it got less and

less fun. So that's, that's SDCC man. SDCC is a monster that the sea of tens of thousands of people. And I really don't think there's that much to do. There's more to do at GenCon. You sign up for a game demo, you go and play a game at SDCC. You're just walking around the merch hall buying plastic junk, you know? I mean, I love old comic books. I don't really wanna buy old comic books.

The panels are impossible to get into because every panel, there's just a gigantic line of people that have been sitting there for three hours to make sure they get into the panel. There's too many people. It's a critical mass that makes it nothing is really that fun. You know, when I've worked there, I've had a reason to be there. That that's okay. But especially by Saturday at STCC. Give me a break. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk about

I want to talk about Gary Khan in a second, but I'd like to take a call. Let's break this up with some callers. We only have an hour. We got to get some people. Are we going to get some calls? Someone else wanted to weigh in on what we're talking about here. Someone are you there? Hey, gentlemen, can you hear me? Hey, good to see you. Yeah, excellent

Yeah, so my favorite con so far was actually the last pie so cotton Oh, yeah, I loved about that was it was so intimate. Yeah And of course orphan puncher Yes, yes, let you I'm actually right now packing for Gen Con. So I will see you all there. Oh wonderful Right. Yeah, that's awesome. Give me a come and give me a big kiss Oh be careful what you wish for. I Loved Paizo con I felt like I wish that it wasn't across the country for us to get to But that vibe of just like it just felt like gaming friends in a hotel.

You know, where is Paiso con? It doesn't, it hasn't happened in a while. It's, it's all virtual now since COVID basically. Uh, but it was in a, um, a hotel at the airport at sea. Tag. Yeah. What was the name of the hotel in Seattle? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, it name of the hotel? Oh, in Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, it's a big sprawling hotel. I wish they would do it again because that's a short trip for me. I know, dude.

And it was great. It was like- And I love Paizo now. I'm a Paizo fanatic now. Yeah. And so you could get these random games that are run by great GMs really because there's so many of them are like venture captains and venture lieutenants and stuff like that that run Pathfinder Society regularly, but then you'd also have employees and writers and editors and developers that would do one hour

like stints at a table and they would run you through like these one hour experiences and we had such a great time doing that. I mean, putting together a convention is so much logistical work. It is so, and it costs so much money to just mount the convention with no, I think sometimes no promise that you're going to get it back. I mean, it's incredible that they did that for as long as they did. Maybe one day it'll come back and I can... Yeah. I mean, getting close to them at the time and talking to them a lot, I know that it just killed them. Like all of them were just like completely drained of all energy, mental and

physical by the end of it. Someone give us a great fictional family. We haven't even answered yet, so you could take a monster off the board right now. Okay. I'll literally take a monster the Adams family That was a great one Jared take one away so that it can't win hurry. Okay. Yeah, wait, I gotta look I gotta look it up wait You have to know exactly who I want. I guess it's not a great. I have it's it from a manga No, the Roy family from succession. Yes. Good answer Roy family Well, I'm glad you took that because I might have get I might have voted for that because that's a great one I thought of it and it's a great answer. They're only they're only Marginally fictional because they're so based on real people, but I'm going with the Roy family. That's a good one

I'm gonna take the Simpsons off the board just so we go we don't have to worry about voting for it. All right Let's let's take some more calls here. K. Rob is here K Rob. We're gonna see K Rob tomorrow. Are you there already K Rob? Are you on the way? Oh No, I'm driving up tomorrow morning driving tomorrow morning. So wait, you're in are you in? Where are you? Cincinnati? I'm in Cincinnati. And what's your address? How long?

I knew he was going to do that. How long is that drive? It's about an hour and a half-ish. Oh, amazing. Yeah. Could you imagine living an hour and a half from Gen Con? That'd be amazing. Hey, hey, Rob, do they have any of those like warehouses with like adult content on the way? You know where you can just like like any kind of mags you want?

It always is the billboard boys a man's then I think it's called Ohio can I send you a list of stuff. I need you to pick up We just see k-rob handing Jared a big paper, brown paper bag. What's in there? Don't worry about it. It's time to party. I actually do have a funny story. Please. Since I live so close, a couple years ago before COVID, I went to Gen Con, and on the Saturday, I had to go to a wedding.

So I was like, I'll just drive down and drive back on up on Sunday It's not that bad of a drive Well, it was a long weekend and I was like I'll take a nap before I go to my friend's wedding and I fell asleep And I overslept his wedding. Oh My god, and then I was like up to him somehow No Did you make it up to him somehow? Uh, no. No. Great. You know what? All these weddings, come on.

Give me a break. Yeah, it was like when I was in my mid-20s, so it was like a wedding every weekend basically. Yeah, yeah. So K-Rob, give us a great fictional family. I want to send you this amazing book. Come on, win it. You took my Simpsons choice. I had to.

I had to. Yeah, we have to take it off the board. You had to. I was gonna say... Oh crap, it was in my brain and I told that story and now it's gone. Can you describe the show or movie or book? And maybe we'll be able to tell you what you were...

Oh no. We can tell you what you were going to say We could tell you what you were going to say. I'm gonna say family guy The family guy the Griffin family the Griffin family from family guy very very very funny family Hey, I love you. I love how you pivoted from the Simpsons to the Griffins from family guy. Yep Yeah I love how you pivoted from the Simpsons to the Griffins from Family Guy. Yep. Yeah. It's not going to win, K. Rob. I'll go ahead and tell you right now.

Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think it's going to win. Mr. Morning. Mr. Morning. I would say good morning, but it's afternoon here. How are you? Hello. Can you hear me?

Yeah, we got you. We got you. What do you got? The Sopranos. Sopranos. Great answer. Great answer. Are you a con guy? Do you like going to cons?

Uh, I've, I've never been to a con yet. I've been wanting to go for years. I've been to a funeral con, but that was for funeral directors. So that doesn't count. Whoa. What's that like? Yeah. Is it, is it kind of James?

Do they play there? Weirdly funny? It's not somber. It's, it's, it's kind of comical kind of comical. You know, everybody tells me I should watch Six Feet Under because of the ridiculousness of it. But, you know, there was a funeral. There's an embalmer seller who was giving out drinks that were colored the same color as their embalming fluid. You know, there's people that like will show off their caskets by literally putting you in them. It's, it's wild.

I don't think there's any real rules there, you know? Uh, now, is there a lot of employment of sex workers at something like that? Oh my God. I know. I've never, never heard of that, of that con. Uh, you know, you're at the wrong time. No, Jen con keeps Indianapolis very bad. The stuff that you just like say, I don't know why I have to explain this to you like

over and over again. People don't understand the difference Jared between you lying and making jokes and what you really think or are reporting. They think of that as a journalistic report. Some people understand. Some people do, yes. I understand. Plancy understands, for example. Great. Sorry, go ahead.

I just want to say, I met you, Jared, recently in New York in the last place in Earth. Oh, great. Yeah, I remember. I wanted to say thank you so much for talking to me. Thank you. You know, that was awesome because I'm walking around Brooklyn with my buddy and he knows that I do this a lot now. He knew me back when I was mostly a comedian.

And we walk into a shop, the last shop on earth. It's a D&D shop in Brooklyn. Very beautiful. People should visit it. It's in Greenpoint. And when we walked in, my buddy made fun of me and goes, maybe someone will recognize you. And then someone did. Nice. Mr. Morningwood. Mr. Morningwood. That's great. All right. Let's get Jen with Two N's up here. Great answer, Mr. Morningwood. That's going to be a tough one to beat, but can Jen with the Two N's do it? Jen, I'm going to see

you tomorrow. Oh, I'm so excited. You were my dream last night. I was so excited about Jen. Nice. What was I doing? Was I yelling at you at the booth? No, no, no. We were getting beers. So all good stuff. Nice. Way better. Way better. Yeah. No, I'm so excited. It's funny because I'm prepping work stuff, being like, oh, I'm going to be out of the office for five days. And people are like, oh, I'm so excited. Like I it's funny because I'm prepping work stuff being like, oh, I'm gonna be out of the office for five days And people are like, oh you going anywhere fun? And I'm like, oh I'm going to a nerdy gaming convention But I tell people I'm like it's basically like a family reunion almost, you know, like people you haven't seen like

It's just like so much fun. And I mean I spend most of my time with you guys either At the booth or at the shows. Yeah, but you know I'm just, I'm just so hyped. I can't wait. I can't wait to see. I have so many old friends like Jameson Stone and Satine Phoenix will be there and I can't wait to reconnect with them. And good point about getting away from your children, Jen. Enormously important part of the experience. It's a huge factor. Can't wait.

I can actually get a good night's sleep, maybe? I don't know. But judging by past Gen Con, probably not. I'll be up wicked late, so we'll see. All right, what do you got for a great fictional family? I'm going to go with the Belchers from Bob's Burgers. The Belchers from Bob's Burgers. You know, I've never seen Bob's Burgers.

It's great. We were talking about, I think it was during a Blood of the Wild recording the other day, like off air, just like, uh, some, I think Paul has been watching it for all these years or something. And, uh, yeah, you guys were raving about it. Um, it's fantastic. People, people going in heavy on the half hour animated

family. Uh, let's see if one of them wins. Uh, we'll see. Should we move on? Yes. I was just going to suggest that you tell me when I should roll these dice. So I think this is such an interesting topic because now it feels like a lot of role-playing game core books put in a little section, a passage about when to roll a die. And their advice, in most of the games I read anyway, is to, they basically at least imply,

if not outright advise you, to roll the dice sparingly, meaning only roll the die when an outcome is absolutely in doubt and a failure would be as interesting as a success. And I think that that is generally good advice, but I don't follow it because I think rolling dice is fun and it's one of the things the players like to do and role play and walking around and exploring without rolling dice is fine it's it's great it's fantastic but rolling dice I don't know it just gives people a little tingle in their pleasure center so I try to find every excuse to roll the dice I can and just make, you know, a

failure on a survival role to start a fire, make it interesting in some way. You know, I mean, uh, I don't know, make a failure on a role to make a sandwich. And like, maybe we'll roll, See if you made a good sandwich. You know what I mean? To make a roll to see if you dressed well that day. I mean, like anything that comes up where people are like, my character is doing this little bit of business. If you can figure out how to get a roll out of it,

I think that that can be really fun. So I do do that kind of in Blood of the Wild. I don't, I don't use rolls sparingly. I will say to be a little bit snooty, I do think you need a GM who knows how to do that to use a lot of rolls because I do think that there are GMs out there who don't know how to make failure interesting and don't know there's still a sense of like when to roll and not to roll and some of them don't know it. So you need to be kind of experienced to throw a lot of rolls around. Eh? My two cents. What do you think?

I think that to answer the question, when do you roll a die? Of course, you know, outside of mechanics and combat where it's very clear, like the rules are when do you roll a die? Of course, you know, outside of mechanics and combat, where it's very clear, like the rules are telling you to roll dice to do certain things. When you're in that exploration mode, things changed a lot for me when I started running Delta Green, and they were pretty adamant

that die rolling should happen sparingly. That was the first game I ever read that suggested that. That, but what I like about Delta green is that they give in the mechanics, a clear marker for when die rolling isn't necessary because of the rating of a skill. Yeah. If a skill rating is over a certain ceiling, you don't have to roll cause you're not going to fail, but if it's middling, you know, your skill is middling, you still roll, which is cool.

And it keeps the story moving. And it also makes characters, players, it makes players that feel like they invested a lot of mechanical points in a certain area feel effective in that area. Yeah, it makes them feel badass. Yeah, it makes them feel badass. Yeah, it makes them feel badass. You get some of the satisfaction of rolling a die from like, what's your, what's your SIGINT? And then someone going, 40, and you going,

okay, you automatically get this information. Like, there is some satisfaction to that. Yeah, sure. I enjoy the secret checks a great deal from Pathfinder to E. I like the secret checks a great deal from Pathfinder 2e. I like to lean on them a lot because I feel like there are times when I want the players to feel off base or unsettled that I'm rolling things behind the screen, even when the failure condition is not that bad.

Right. And a lot of times what I end up looking for is I'm developing my own sort of. Range of success, you know, like a, a spectrum of successful outcomes that could potentially happen that aren't locked in only to success or critical success or failure or critical failure, where there's yeah, a little bit more success or failure or critical failure, where there's, yeah, a little bit more of a gradient to it that allows me to tell a story based on the die result that I saw that fits into how well or how poorly something went. I also like to, I like to roll a lot of dice as well. And so one of the things that I'll do is if I need,

if I need people to open a door, like a locked door, or else like the story can't continue, or, and that's a problem with writing, but sometimes you paint yourself into a corner during improv and you just say something because you think it would be cool or interesting, and then you find yourself a little jammed up. I like to think about, I like to utilize

failure conditions that are not directly tied to the skill, but are tied to the environment or the narrative, right? So picking a lock, a, because here's the danger of having somebody roll when you don't have a failure condition in mind at all is that's the time they'll roll a natural one. Not a two, not a three. They will roll a natural one and they will expect something, some real failure to happen. When you don't bring that to the table and you just say, okay, it's fine and you just

do it, then you cheapen every die roll. It starts to feel and so that's why a lot of games advise less experienced players, GMs, to go on the die rolling sparingly. And there's nothing wrong with that. Go on the die rolling sparingly. I think that's great. I think that's a yeah, you run a great game doing it sparingly. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a low rolling game. It is safer. It is safer in a lot of ways. Man, I'm getting a little bit off topic, but it's safer in multiple ways. It's safer for you as a GM in terms of your job because you have to do less.

It's safer for the players because you're more likely to succeed the less that you roll ultimately with a lot of mid range sortrange skills or lower than 50% skills. What I end up doing is that failure, that natural one on a lockpick just becomes the lockpick, the door opens into a trapped room that wasn't there before, or the door opens and the guards hear you immediately and a trapped room that wasn't there before, or the door opens and, you know, the guards hear you immediately and a fight breaks out where you don't even get a chance to roll for stuff, stealth, that kind of thing. There's a lot of different ways. Just open your mind up to failure, not a low die roll, not meaning failure of the task, but meaning, uh, like Blades in the

Dark style, a complication enters the fray. That's just what I was about to but meaning, like Blades in the Dark style, a complication enters the fray. That's just what I was about to say, is that Blades in the Dark trains you, trains you, trains you about consequences. And one thing that's really great to do in Blades in the Dark trains you to do this, is to go, okay, you're about to roll. If you fail, this is gonna happen.

You can just kinda tell people, if you fail, this is gonna happen you can just kind of tell people if you fail this is gonna be really loud if you fail this is gonna take you like two hours you know and that really help set stakes and fill in the world for people so they understand why they're rolling. And what the role means you know and so many games have. roll means, you know, and so many games have factors where the player can decide to spend points to roll better, you know, get a reroll, things like that. They're able to get Intel. When you tell them what the consequences will be for a failure, that's Intel that they can use to decide, am I spending any of my little bonus points? Am I going to use my bottle cap?" Whatever. And so, yeah,

having that failure condition on any role is super important. And if you can, even you don't have to give away the entire secret of your environment or whatever, but give them an idea of what might happen. You're going to do this really loudly if you fail. Well, it goes to reason- Someone might hear you. Someone might hear you. Someone might hear you. That's a really good point. So it also helps to discipline you as a GM if you get into the habit of deciding the failure condition before you have them roll.

Because sometimes if I'm running a blades game, I can say, I'll stop the game and say, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I want to try to figure out like, what are the stakes here? And I'm not just thinking this in my head. I'm saying it out loud to the player. I'm saying like, okay, if you succeed, this'll work. You know, it's a standard, it's a standard, but if you fail, you're not gonna be able to do this again

for the rest of the day or whatever. And you talk it out and wait, wait, no, this one would be better. If you fail, this is gonna happen. And then say it ahead of time it just gives you the time so rather than natural one and everyone stares at you and you hadn't prepared yet yeah and then you're like uh you know that that can be an awkward situation but it's not awkward to um and up before the die roll and say wait a minute don't roll yet give me a. Let's set the stakes of what failure could mean here.

And also, and also read, play unsafe by Graham Walmsley or take an improv class and understand that coming up with that consequence, that failure consequence that's improv, but it doesn't have to be complicated. It can kind of be the first thing that comes to your head. It really can't like, yeah, as Ross Bryant told me years ago, first choice, best choice. So like whatever your gut tells you, most of the time, that's going to be awesome. So just, it'll turn out awesome. Just go with it. Let's take a call here before we start wrapping up this section from Jesse JC. Those of you joining us late, we are, we are doing a quick show today, a one hour Glass Cannon Radio.

What's up, Jesse? Hey guys, how you doing? We're doing great. How are you? Great. You want to weigh in on die rolling here? Do you want to just get in on this contest to win this sweet book, the new Coriolis, the Great Dark?

I like how thin that book is too. That's really manageable. I love it when an RPG is thin. I'm just going to throw out a contest answer. Please. I'm going to go with the Heroes in a Half Shell, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Oh, okay. Okay.

Thank you. Jared, does that count? Is that a family? When I think family, I immediately, definitely do not think of the Ninja Turtles. They're more of a team, right? They're more of a team. They're brothers, technically. Oh, that's right.

They are brothers. Yeah. Okay. It sounds like Jared's not going to vote for it. I think it's a clever answer. Rodith, what do you got? I'm actually not doing the vote, but the first rule of improv and the window roll, consequence is king or queen.

And the essential thing there is that if you have good players, they're going to fail upward no matter what you do. But no matter what the consequences, they'll incorporate it into their story and continue to play it forward and pay forward to the story, making it that much better. So yeah, Jared's Blades in the Dark is a great example. Your Delta Green, same thing. Really good ways of kind of getting ahead of it. Like, well, if you do that, then this will probably happen.

And then playing through that consequence and having those great players incorporate that into your stories is awesome. What's what's what's what the whole thing's about. Yeah. For me. Awesome. Yeah. Well said. Well put.

Thanks for it. Thanks for calling in. Yeah. It is very much so like, you know, what I was just thinking is here's what jumps out of me, if you think when to roll a die, one of the main things I think of is when not to roll a die and what I think of is perception checks I think this is one where there can be motivations beyond the actual prepared game to roll perception checks in a room or overlooking a valley or anything like that that

Sometimes you just want to buy time as a GF Sometimes you just like need a second to think about what you want to share you say give me a perception check but sometimes Sometimes you just like need a second to think about what you want to share. You say, give me a perception check. But sometimes it's just so much more interesting if no one is actually hiding and there isn't a combat that's about to happen with a surprise attack. Like mechanical perception checks, I find to be a little bit tedious. If there's a secret door, sure. But if you're talking about, you know, the furniture that's in a room or the books on a bookshelf or and nothing is a real consequence. Finding something, they should probably just find it because if they fail it, you're like,

okay. Right. And you know what? We keep talking about failure. We keep talking about make sure you have a consequence if they fail the role. You know, we're not talking about failure. We keep talking about make sure you have a consequence if they fail the role. You know what we're not talking about is like, what if you don't have anything for if they succeed? How about critically succeed? Right, exactly. Usually I just give so much information, but sometimes I would have given the same amount

of information on a regular success. Exactly. So sometimes you call for a perception check. If you're buying time, I get it. But if you're not, like, and they roll and they get a natural 20, and this is why I love secret checks, they roll, they get a natural 20. And all you're going to do is describe the room to them that they're going to see anyway. Yeah.

It just, it feels, it feels a little weird. So, so try to. You know, old D&D didn't have all this perception check bullshit. You just kind of walked into a room and the dungeon master described everything to you and how you interacted with the things in there was the game. Is what mattered, yeah. Yeah. Verducai is here.

We haven't seen you in a while. Get up here. Yeah. How's it going? Hey, it's going great. How are you? Is Tuesdays better for you? Should we just move the show to Tuesdays?

Yeah. Tuesdays are great. Thanks for moving things around for me. He has officially moved from here on. Are you going this weekend? No, I'm so sad. Oh, bummer. No. I know. I'm like, I have to be there next year. It's been too many years since I've made it to Gen Con. Yeah. Yeah. You got to get out there. So do you want to weigh in on anything here or just answer

the contest question? I'm or just answer the contest question? Answer the contest question and win this awesome still being written book. Yes. Yes So I'm gonna go with the Rose family from Schitt's Creek. Oh Good one great answer great answer. Very Chi Great time and thanks for all the awesome streams that we'll have here. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, tune in. Hey, like all day, every day, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, if you're not going to Gen Con, tune into Glass Cannon Network YouTube. So much fun stuff. I'm running Starfinder 2E. I'm playing in a Blade 68 game run by my good buddy Jared Logan. I played with Ross Bryant and Mary Lou, right? It was the

three of us. Oh my God, so much fun. More Age of Vikings, which is a game that is a new favorite game. More of that's coming from us. More Age of Vikings. Same cast. It's a continuation of our last recordings. And more, more Pendragon. More Pendragon is coming, run by Brian Holland. I also played in a Call of Cthulhu run by Brian Holland that got back the bachelor party crew. Oh guys, there's going to be a lot of fun stuff this weekend. Stay stay tuned. All right. I'm going to

try to rapid fire some some answers here for our contest and then we're going to talk fantastic for right Lucas. How are you? Hey there, how's it going? It's going great, thanks for calling in. What do you got for us? Yeah, I got a couple things. One about rolling dice, I think everybody made really good points, but one thing I recommend for people looking for more guidance is a mothership's warden operations manual, which offers like a whole table on what does failure mean. And you know it says like, oh, the action succeeds, but it costs more time or the action succeeds,

but causes harm offers just some really great guidance. Oh, cool. I really recommend. Yeah, sometimes that's where I struggle is just like the idea generation system is a little slow in my brain compared to some others. And to have a table to look at, I think I can come up with a good idea if you tell me, if you give me that general thing, right?

The action succeeds but causes harm. I can come up with a very narrative way to describe that, but it's just that initial seed of an idea that sometimes I'm a little slow on. So that's a great suggestion, thank you. Yeah, and I also have a family I will offer. I'm gonna say the Jennings from The Americans. I really have a family. Please. I will offer. I'm going to say the Jennings from the Americans. I really love the Americans.

Especially just when there's that deep secret of a family that stretches out throughout the whole thing. Oh, so good. I just got chills. Highly recommend. That's a show about family. The show is about family in addition to a lot of other things. Yeah, it's about family in addition to a lot of other things. Yeah, it's about family and the family develops so incredibly well over the seasons of that show.

It goes through so many trials and tribulations. It's not the same family at the end that it was in the beginning, which a lot of shows, they don't, they're just always the same. You know what I mean? Like, Simpsons is a good answer because every individual character is amazing and unique, but like the family is the same as it was 25 years ago. You know what I mean? Like, so yeah, I love that.

I love that answer. That's a great one. Player guy, get on up here and get in on this contest really quick. Player guy. Hello. Can you hear me? Hello. Yeah, we got you.

Good to have you back on. Thanks for having me on. I think people answered the dice questions pretty well, so I can just do a contest answer. Great. Save you some time. I'm going to say the Cortez family from the Spy Kids series, all extremely competent family members. Star studied as well. The Spy Kids series, really? Are you a parent?

No, not at all. But I mean mean I think everyone can relate to this family So did you sir did you grow up watching spy kids? Yeah, I watched the first spy kids film as a kid constantly and it is extremely terrifying as well with the thumb Minions if you ever watch it again No, I've good. I haven't seen it. Thanks for weighing in. But Jared and I were talking right before we went live actually about how old we're getting spy kids came out. I know. I know it's like the generational gap there is pretty tough. I know my kids have watched spy kids a bunch. Uh, I know I should be watching more of what they watch, but, uh, who has the time slow I Joe get in here with an answer, uh, calling on you because there's Joe in your name.

So I Joe, uh, yeah. Hey, give us an answer. I feel like this is really loving for tell me if this has already been said, but the Corleone family, the Corleone. Oh, yeah. Has not been said, but not the Corleone. Sopranos was said, but not Corleone. I'm curious to see. Thanks for the answer.

Where you would stand on that. Jared Headhunter, get in here and give us an answer really quick Headhunter You're dead to me. Yeah, your mic is muted Headhunter if you could unmute that Can you hear me now? Yeah, we got you back. He's back Have you gotten the Adams family yet? Yeah, we have we have gotten that one. You got another one? The Jetsons. The Jetsons. Good answer. Old school, baby. Old school. Clancy is here, wants to weigh in. Clancy, what do you got? Hello. How are you? Hello. Can you hear from you? Yeah. I haven't watched

it, so I don't really know, but I keep hearing it's about family, so the Fast and the Furious family. Yes, it is about family. Family is that, because it's about family. Then they explicitly state it over and over, so that dumb people can know that it's about family. They wanna make sure, they wanna make sure you know. Thank you, Clancy.

Good to hear from you. Family. Please, we love it when you call in. The Fast and the Furious family. All right, weancy. Good to hear from you. Family. Please. We love it when you call in. The Fast and the Furious family. All right. We'll take one more in a second, a couple more in a second, but let's just talk Fantastic Four really fast. You saw it last night.

Is this correct? I did. I saw it last night. All right. First impressions, first thoughts. My first impression was going in, I did not think I was going to like it that much. I thought I would, but I still wanted to see it, because I'm a fantastic for comic book fan. But I was like, I don't think this,

I'm gonna like this very much. I definitely didn't think I was gonna like it as much as Superman. I loved this movie. All right. I thought it was super fun. There are nits that I could pick here and there, but ultimately I just had a really good time

and it made me feel kind of like an 11 year old again. And if I had an 11 year old, my kids are still a little young, but if I had an 11, 10, 11 year old, I would take them to see this because this would be a great kind of like family adventure film. Let me ask you, I was thinking about taking my nine year old daughter to see it. What do you think? That's right on the line there. Well, there's nothing really, I think, that is that violent or gross. I think they kept it pretty safe.

There are some depictions. Hey, spoiler alert, if anybody's worried about spoilers, I just want to say spoiler alert. And now I'm going to say there are some depictions of childbirth, uh, you know, being pregnant and giving birth that, um, could maybe surprise a nine year old. I don't know, but I thought it was, I thought it was fantastic. Awesome. I'm glad you liked it. I also liked it. This was the first fantastic four content I'd ever seen. So like I never saw another movie

and I've never read the comics. And it's sort of an inside joke here that I don't know anything about any of these characters because I never read the comics. And so at San Diego Comic-Con, like three years ago, I remember being up in a bar late and people trying to explain who the Fantastic Four are to me.

I was glad to finally see one of these movies, get a sense of the characters. Man, I really liked it. I really liked Reed right out of the gate. Just so freaking likable. I love their dynamic as a couple was really an interesting dynamic. They really built that very carefully and they built that relationship between Reed and Sue really well. I loved how Pedro Pescal played Reed Richards. At first I wasn't quite getting it. It was so understated. And then I realized he's playing him as the most gentle man you've ever met.

And it ties in with Reed's superpowers because he's sort of stretchy and soft. You know what I mean? Flexible. He's flexible. So he's this extremely gentle sort of supportive, like whatever the opposite of a toxic male is. That is what Reed Richards is. That's like exactly what he was. And then, then I loved, I always thought The Thing was so weird and I was never interested in it. I loved the concept of the Hulk that he would come out and then could revert back. And the idea that The Thing was always just a rockman walking around was very weird to me. And I think they did a great job in this of also that understated sort of like, he

seems like such a regular dude. And that's great. Like the portrayal is so not over the top. He's just a guy that happens to be a giant rock man. Like, I gotta say, you know, one of the things I was really worried about and I, I still didn't love exactly how the CGI worked. It still looks kind of like a cartoon to me that the mouth doesn't quite seem to be saying the words. I don't give a shit at a certain point about all of that because Eben Mas Fakarak, is that his name? The actor is doing such a great, again, subtle voice acting job that I'm getting all these different flavors of this very regular, very likable character. Yeah.

So yeah, I mean, ultimately that didn't end up bothering me as much as I thought it would. I love the setting. I guess you could call it a retro science sci-fi, a retro futuristic sort of setting. I loved it. I thought there were so many fun, clever things that they didn't explain, and they didn't need to. It's just like you have these sweet 1958 Cadillac-y kind

of cars, and then it just takes off andac-y kind of cars, and then it just like takes off and flies. Like that kind of stuff. It's just really cool. Like I dug it and yeah. Well, they leaned into the like, the future is now if we all work together, like that sort of mid century sort of hopefulness

and optimism that science and, you know, democracy and civil engineering could solve all of our problems. An idea that we have almost completely abandoned in our modern society. So, I'd say, God have mercy on us, I guess. I'd say we both recommend it. So go check it out. We're going to be playing the Fantastic Four through the Marvel more years. Are you one of the I'm playing Reed Richards? Yeah I'm nice So I was really like honed in on him and I was so excited by the halfway point of the movie

I was like he's my favorite and that's so great that like I get to play that character because I really liked him somebody in in discord chat said that I get to play that character because I really liked him. Somebody in Discord chat said, as Nano Gibbon said, I love how Pedro slash the script plays up reads almost crippling anxiety. That was great. He's just so afraid of anybody getting hurt. You know what I mean? And it played really, really well.

I love that. All right. Let's do, we're going to do two more entries for the contest. Then we're going to get a winner and get out of here. Let's get the deer up here. The deer. You want to get in on this? Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm about to finish the books right now and they are a found family, but they are a family. I'm going to go with the crew, the crew of the Rossi from the expanse The I don't know how to spell that the crew la Rossi the crew Is Rossinante of the Rossinante, right? Awesome. Thank you. Let's get another one in here dinimus not a family the crew

Not a family not not a crew their crew Their crew and if we had said what's the best? Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you. Sweet. I was going to say the Bartlett's from West Wing. The West Wing, yeah. We started rewatching that show because life is hard. Yes. Ed is a good one to watch for that. All right. I'm going to get one more in here. Let's

get Nano Gibbon who had the good comment on Discord about Fantastic Four. NanoGibbon, take us home. Sorry to those we couldn't get to. We just ran out of time. Or maybe NanoGibbon won't answer and somebody else gets a comment. I found the button. All right, you found the button. There you go.

Okay, wonderful. Yeah, I'll keep it brief then and go with the blue from rest of the development. Bluths is a great answer. Oh, a late favorite hits the floor. A late fave. Okay. All right. That's a great, great answer. Now this is going to be, this is going to be tough. This will be good now. I'm going to post the answers in Discord chat here. We can look through them. We've got just a quick run down

for our audio listeners. We've got the Roy family, the Simpsons, neither of them are going to win, but those were our answers. The Adams family, the Griffin family, the Sopranos, the Belchers, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Turtle Power, the Rose family from Schitt's Creek, the Jennings family from the Americans, the Cortez family from Spy Kids, I think that was, the Corleones, the Jetsons, the Fast and the Furious family, the crew of the Rossi, the Bartlets, and the Bluths. Oh, baby! I have a late fave here. I'm feeling the late fave. Okay. Okay. That's really hard. All right. So you're feeling the Bluths. I'm feeling the Bluths. I got a backup. I'm really feeling the Jennings family, uh, from the Americans.

All right. Let me argue. Let me argue why maybe it shouldn't be the Jennings. Please. It's hard to argue, but I think you and I just really love that show. And that would be a little unfair that we just pick it because it's our best. It's our favorite show. It's a good argument. It's a good argument. Okay. All right. You sold me. All right. So then we got the, who else is a great family? I think the Bluths and my backup is, I have a backup too.

Your backup. My backup I could tell you if you, if you, if we need to. All right. You like someone more than the Bluths? I don't think so. I was my backup would be my backup would be the Rose family. That would be my backup. Oh wow. Okay. So that's kind of like two answers Rose or the Bluths? Rose or the Bluths? Flip a coin. Let's do it. No, I mean, oh wow. Okay, excellent. I think we should do it.

I think we should flip a coin for this one and let's see because they're both great answers. They're tied in my mind for all different reasons, but they're both comedies. Very interesting. Yeah, I know. It just worked out that way. Okay. Here we go. I've got this business card here for a masonry guy in my neighborhood. If the top of the business card comes up, it's going to be the Rose. If it's

the bottom, it's the Bluths. It's the Rose family from Rose family. A really funny, great family. Well done. That was Verdukei. Hey, congrats Verdukei. Good job. Glad you could make the show. Thanks for hanging out. Congratulations. Yeah, that was an awesome. I never would have thought of that family and it's a great family. And yeah, long, interesting trail. So, all right, guys, that's going to do it. Again, short one this week. Now, next week, I'm not going to be on, I actually have to be in studio recording some stuff for Glass Cannon. So I won't be here, but Jared will be here.

I'll be hosting with special guest co-host, the actress Rooney Mara. Oh my God. Okay. She loves tabletop. She loves tabletop. Jared's going to get her all hooked up on Discord and it'll all go super smooth. This is going to be great. And then the week after that, like, man, we got a lot of stuff going on. So I'm going to have a very spotty August for Glass Cannon Radio, but we also have some fun stuff planned for you in August for Glass Cannon Radio that we'll be announcing soon.

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