The Glass Cannon Podcast - Glass Cannon Radio #5 – Building a PF2E Fighter, Winter Movie Rankings, Pendragon Returns

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:31 You are listening to the Glass Cannon Network. This is Glass Cannon Radio with your hosts Jared Logan and Joe O'Brien. Oh, welcome back to the program. It's Glass Cannon Radio, the show where we get balls deep in nerd culture. My balls are thoroughly soaked right now. If you are, if you have different genitals, you can soak those as well. This is a equal opportunity program. Hello. Before we get started, Mark, Mark, are you listening to me?
Starting point is 00:01:26 Mark, your wife is in trouble. I'm just messing around. I thought if there was a guy named Mark listening or watching, I could kind of screw with him for a second. Yeah, and there's probably a lot of marks out there. There's so many marks, So I'm pretty, uh, pretty sure I got one. I hope there was one guy that's like my wife and then clicked off and ran. Yeah. Yeah. Or, or drove his car into oncoming traffic. You know,
Starting point is 00:01:55 it could be either. Yeah. Yeah. My wife. It's also funny that you chose the name Mark cause it's a, it's a double entendre because he's also a Mark, right? Oh, Joe, look at this. Look at Terry Pratchett over here with the word play. Wow. Uh, well, here we are. I'm Jared Logan. This is Joe O'Brien. This is the show where you get to call in and give your two cents about everything
Starting point is 00:02:28 that's going on in what we call the geekosphere. It's an amorphous and ambiguous term for stuff that people that would be interested in an actual play network would be interested in. So it is both, it is both niche and broad. interested in an actual play network would be interested in. Yes. So it is both, it is both niche and broad. And it probably contains painting figurines. Yeah. We're going to have to do is talk about that one day. Dude, McD can weigh in on that. He's an excellent miniature painter.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Oh, excellent. Have you ever painted any figurines? Nope, not at all. Have no interest. Can't even imagine doing it. To me, it seems like the most difficult. It's like impossible to me. I just, I can't really wrap my head around like the tiny, tiny, tiny detailed painting that people can do. It's mind blowing. Well, I tried my hand at it for a little bit about 10 years ago. Played a little bit of Warhammer and did a little bit of painting and I can tell you that the painting is so soothing and calming. It's just lovely and I know a lot of guys that do it while they turn on a program they
Starting point is 00:03:45 want to watch. So they kind of or a radio show, especially maybe this show. So and my brother's deep into it. He's he's into this new game called Trench Crusade, which is a world a world that is like World War one technology. But there's been a war going on for a thousand years against demons that were released during the Crusades. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:13 So it's got like a World War I aesthetic. It looks really cool. That's cool. That is cool. What are you into lately, Joe? I mean, sound off. Like... Well, first I wanna shout out Uh, what are you into lately, Joe? I mean, sound off like, Well, first I want to shout out, uh, glass kind of network's own Paula Deming, uh,
Starting point is 00:04:34 who pops up in Twitch chat and says, it's more approachable than you think, Joe. I know Paula paints some minis. Paul has been known to paint some minis. So we'll see. I don't know. It seems really difficult to me. Uh, what's going on with me? Oh, I'm getting ready to leave, dude. I'm getting ready to go to Dallas tomorrow. Well, Glass Cannon Live is starting this weekend. We're going to have some news about that a little bit later, actually. Some more details about what to expect for the first new, the new tour. It's a new tour, a new story, a new game, homebrew. We're all making originally from scratch. It's going to be very excited. I want to know all about that. Yeah. I want to know all about that. I'm going to talk to you more about it later,
Starting point is 00:05:10 but that's all that's on my mind right now is like this big trip we got coming up starting tomorrow. Well, that's a good way to get into what we're going to be talking about today. So today our first segment is called my offense is rank. That's a Shakespeare quote, because this is a highbrow show, but we are going to be ranking movies today. When we do this segment again, we might rank games. We might rank role playing game classes, but today we're ranking snowy weather movies. So right now, while Joe and I are vamping a bit, it's the perfect time to
Starting point is 00:05:45 get your list together. Or if you disagree with where we've ranked one of those snowy weather movies, please call in and let us know what you think. After we do that, we're going to hit on some new releases in the video game, PC game world. And then we are going to help Joe build a Pathfinder remastered fighter character. Specifically, we're going to be looking at those fighter feats and kind of deciding which ones would be best for Joe's character. Then we have the aforementioned GCN News. And then I have a bone to pick at the end of the show. It's going to be kind of a GM rant.
Starting point is 00:06:26 We're calling it GM Fiat. So we will end on my little GM editorial. Uh, yeah. Uh, hit us up, call us up. Phenomenal show. I'm so excited for this. It's going to be amazing. It's going to be packed with amazing shit.
Starting point is 00:06:41 I'm psyched. Yeah. Uh, I mean, let's, let's start to, let's do a slow roll into it right now. Uh, snowy weather movies, your rankings, we're going to do the top five in your opinion and here's how it's going to work. You know, uh, we'll start with our number fives and if one of us has it lower on our list, we'll wait to talk about it when we get to that number on the list. Okay. So, um, let's get into it. And we encourage everybody to
Starting point is 00:07:13 call in, weigh in, um, mention one that we haven't thought of. And I think it'd be great. Joe, why don't we start with your number five snowy weather movies. Now I'm going to say one more thing. And I didn gonna say one more thing, and I didn't say this before we sat down to do the show today. This isn't Christmas movies. What?
Starting point is 00:07:33 If you have a bunch of Christmas movies, you fucked up Joe O'Brien. This is snowy weather movies. All right, let me just say something right out, okay hi on this list for me would be it's a wonderful life Which I consider to be a snowy movie one of my favorite movies of all time I did not put it on my list right because I felt that Christmas movies is a different ranking list Thank you. See this is why you're you're the fucking real deal, Joe O'Brien, because you got that intuitively.
Starting point is 00:08:08 You know what I mean? Like my wife would have been like, I don't know, elf? No! It's not Christmas movies. It's snowy weather fucking movies. Sorry. Some of my rage has feignedigned and some of it is real. Okay, so Joe O'Brien,
Starting point is 00:08:32 what is your number five snowy weather movie? My number five snowy weather movie is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Wow, what a great pick and not on my list. So tell me a little bit about Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Wow, what a great pick and not on my list. So tell me a little bit about Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is one of the last movies that I remember
Starting point is 00:08:56 as being like truly life-changingly great to me, in my opinion. And that ranged from like, I don't know, the early to mid nineties through to like 2004, I think is eternal sunshine, spotless mine. To me, it's like a mark in my life where like movies stopped meaning as much to me after that. I don't know. I just got too old, I guess.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Like, and there's, there's great movies since then for sure, but nothing that like the way that I felt back then about you know, the matrix or Fight Club or Right, you know or I don't know there's a ton at that time that I just absolutely loved This movie is the movie where movies peaked for you Well, no, I'm just saying I always think of eternal sunshine of spotless mine as like being, I never got obsessed with a movie like after that really. Like, well, that's not 100% true, but there's a big gap there.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Anyway, when that movie came out, it blew my mind. I loved it so much. And as I went through this list, I just kept trying to picture actors and characters and stuff in snowy weather gear, you know what I mean? And there's just a lot of that in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Oh, absolutely. I mean, the whole setting is,
Starting point is 00:10:07 it's so, so icy. There's laying down on the ice, laying down on the snow. Laying down on the ice and, Where do they go? Montauk, one of the coldest sounding places. Yeah, that's another thing I don't think you see a whole lot in other movies is a spectacularly well done film on a snowy beach. Yeah, for sure. It's at the shore in the winter. And that's something that I experienced in my
Starting point is 00:10:34 twenties, you know, because I had friends that lived down the shore and down in Jersey and like going there in the off season was the best because nobody was around and it was just people that live there and it was a cool, really cool place to be. And I loved walking on the beach in the snow and being out in that windy cold weather off the ocean in the snow. So anyway, brought back a lot of really good memories and I just, and that really, I mean, the screenplay is mind blowing. It's so wonderful.
Starting point is 00:11:03 Well, yeah. And then, and how much does the, you know, the memory is like you were just describing. Cause I lived in Chicago and we used to walk around the lake in the winter sometimes. And how much do memories of that, you know, and also from your twenties, like also kind of feed into the ideas of those relationships you had, those love affairs you had that kind of ended
Starting point is 00:11:22 or ended poorly sometimes. Like there's definitely a vibe where winter and sadness and sort of nesting with someone or sort of losing someone all kind of mixed together. And it really does a great job of combining that idea of, like you said, like winter, you're kind of stuck in together. You're stuck with each other. Right. It's like when they first meet, it's so beautiful and hilarious and charming and great. And the movie shows you what, how it changes when you live with someone, right? Like when you're in contact with each other closed in all the
Starting point is 00:11:57 time, you start to see all the little imperfections, all the little things that drive you crazy about somebody. And, and then, you know, the movies about rising above it and stuff. It's really fascinating. I thought now that that's such a fantastic pick that I'm surprised it's your number five. You're going to go up from here. Yeah. Well, I also, I will also say there is a subtle sub ranking to this, which is like the level of snow, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:29 like if there's a good rubric. Yeah. And so I feel like eternal sunshine, this spotless mind is not, you don't think of snow when you first think of it. Uh, so that's why it's, it's a little bit down on the list. Okay. That makes total sense. And uh, yeah, I, I, I hear that. So you're ranking by how snowy it is. I mean that broke some ties for me. That's all I'll say. That's great. That's perfect. That's perfect. Okay. Um, I'll do my number five.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Then maybe we'll open it up to callers a little bit. Uh, and we'll keep going through our lists. My number five is a Taylor Sheridan movie. Taylor Sheridan movie. Taylor Sheridan is the director of the fantastic hell or high water. I hope you've seen with Chris Pine. Yes, yes, yes. Uh, and yeah. And, um, he also played not a snowy weather movie. No, no, I'm just saying he, this is who this director is. I was confused for one second. He also created the, the, the show Yellowstone, which I admittedly have not seen, but he did an
Starting point is 00:13:28 amazing movie a while back called Wind River. Ah, this is on my list. It's on your list. Okay. We'll wait until we get down to Wind River, lower on Joe's list. A very snowy movie. Did not know that Wind River was directed by the same director as Hell or High Water.
Starting point is 00:13:47 That makes perfect sense because they're phenomenal movies. It makes sense, right? They're both great. By the way, in case anybody's like, why are they doing this? Well, it's because it's snowy out right now for all of you. I'm in California where it's 70 degrees today,
Starting point is 00:14:02 but the rest of you are freezing your little asses off. And we actually are right now. The whole sort of Eastern United States, I mean all through the Midwest too, is experiencing horrible cold temperatures. Yeah. Unseasonably cold temperatures. So yeah, it's freezing. Maybe we should have done warm weather movies so people could pop one of those in.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Or maybe, no, listen guys, lean in, lean into the weather and enjoy some of these, uh, snowy weather movies. If you want to call in right now and tell us your favorite snowy weather movie or disagree with a ranking, um, go ahead and come and, and, and if you are a subscriber, you can get into the discord, go to glass can of radio stage raise your hand We will call on you and you can talk to us Over the magic of the internet if you are not a subscriber It's very easy to become one go to join the nation calm right now You can subscribe so quickly that you could be on the show in
Starting point is 00:14:58 Minutes so and you can subscribe for free and be on the show in minutes because you can use the code GCN 30 to get a free trial, 30 days free. So you could come in and get your opinion heard and then keep, you know, decide if you want to stick around after checking out thousands of hours of entertainment. Yeah. If you want a slightly chubby man in his forties to hear your opinion, now's your opportunity. Shavris, our friend in Ireland, says it's a balmy 12 degrees centigrade, and I have no idea what that temperature is. Centigrade?
Starting point is 00:15:34 What is 12 degrees? Translate it into English. What is 12 degrees centigrade, Shavris? Translate it into American. All right, let's do one more before we do any colors. Let's get a couple out here. I don't want the colors taken all our rankings. No, we don't want to take in our, take in our, our momentum here. Okay. What is your number four snowy weather movie? My
Starting point is 00:16:00 number four snowy weather movie is recent. A more recent film. I went with Paul Giamatti in the holdovers is my number. Another incredible pick that is not on my list. Wow. Amazing. That's awesome. Yeah. Great movie.
Starting point is 00:16:16 I'm not going to say much because it's new. So people who haven't seen it go see the holdovers. I show it's over a year old and I don't believe in spoilers. Can you at least tell us what it's about? Set it up for us. It's set in about 1970, I believe, 1972, right in that range, early 70s at a boarding school, which appears to be in New England, right, in that range.
Starting point is 00:16:41 And it is, Paul Giamatti plays an instructor that has to stay over the Christmas break with the kids that for one reason or another can't go home for Christmas break. So there's kids, some kids are foreign exchange students, they can't go home for Christmas break. And some kids get left behind because their parents are on vacation, etc. And it's just a slice of life story of the three weeks of these people that are holed up at a boarding school. And it's a beautiful movie that I really,
Starting point is 00:17:12 I saw it on an airplane, I really liked it. And then it came out on Prime to watch. And I was like, let me sit down and re-watch this. And I loved it 10 times more in the re-watch, which is why it made this list. It's now gonna be up there with my favorite all time, like comedy dramas, because it's funny, but it also has great and sad stories that are really impactful. So a really well done movie.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I agree. And you know, it was a 20, 23 film, I believe, and it was nominated for best picture. And I really, really wanted it to get something. I don't, I don't know. Maybe it did get something. I don't remember, but I didn't think it got enough love. Dave, I enjoy Randolph who was a client at the agency I used to work at and who I worked with occasionally in voiceover back then.
Starting point is 00:17:58 She won for best supporting actress. I'm almost certain. Oh, fantastic. I'm almost certain. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, this is by Alexander Payne who also did election and all time. Awesome movie. What he did. I love election. Wow. See, this is so great. Thank you for enlightening me. Of course. Well,
Starting point is 00:18:16 there's a reason you love these movies is cause they're by great people. Um, he did about Schmidt, a, uh, a Nicholson film. I really enjoyed sideways, the descendants. Oh, I love all these movies. Yeah. Some of them I don't love downsizing. I'm not a huge fan of never saw downsizing, but I remember liking Nebraska. I only saw it once. The other ones I really like. I love sideways. Obviously sideways. Phenomen, sideways, obviously sideways, phenomenal. Sideways is so funny.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Yeah. So, so funny. All right. And the holdovers is so funny and Paul Giamatti is so funny in it. And Paul Giamatti just to see him kind of come back in a big way, the way he does in the holdovers is so exciting. And, um, let me just throw out one line from there where there's a, uh, one of the privileged, uh, piece of shit kids is complaining about the food or something, you know, that the
Starting point is 00:19:13 cook makes. And he's just like, look, she's just gotta like do a better job and blah, blah. And you happen to know as an audience member, how, what a brutal time the cook has been through. And so you feel like you just want to smack this kid in the mouth. Giamatti just smashes his like fork into the table and he's just like, would you shut your mouth? And he's just like, uh, what'd he say? He says, you know, someday you might understand this, but for, it doesn't affect you, but for a lot of people life is like a hen house ladder shitty and short
Starting point is 00:19:47 And he just delivers it so well with such venom and you're like, thank God somebody smacked that kid down for being a little Prick anyway, great movie. Um the holdovers check it out. All right. Here's my number four This is gonna be a controversial ranking Okay, not controversial that it's on the list, but putting it so low at number four, I have number four, John Carpenter's, the thing. Not on my list. I've never seen it. I've never seen it.
Starting point is 00:20:21 You idiot. It's one of the biggest snowy you wait, did you just say you've never seen it See it and this this is cut Jared is taking off his head. It's leaving the stage He has left. He's left the camera. All right, he's slowly coming back. He's realizing the error of his ways That was my first walk off, and I'm not sure it was worth the pause it takes to get suburbanized. You never see that says, did Jared just rage quit? You've never seen John Carpenter's the thing.
Starting point is 00:20:59 I don't watch horror movies. I never did. I forgot. You're afraid. I'm afraid. You're afraid. I'm afraid. You're a scaredy pants. Now, when we did, I also never saw Escape from New York. Okay. And when we did that for Gen Con, I had to go watch it.
Starting point is 00:21:16 And I thought that it was awesome. Then I had so much fun playing in the game and talking with Kirkovich, he was like, you have to see the thing and he, cause he's a huge carpenter fan. And so he was talking and I really dug the style and everything. So the thing is a hundred percent on my list. I just haven't gotten around to it yet, but I'm looking forward. We should, you know, we'll do another thing where I watch it and then we come on the radio and I'll talk about it. Sure. That's a great idea. Listen, let me, here's what I'll say about the thing. First of all, I'm about to go see it on the big screen for like the fourth time
Starting point is 00:21:53 at the Academy museum here in LA this time in 4k. I actually saw, saw it at the drive in during the, during the pandemic. It plays so well on the big screen. It was not a hit when it came out. But in terms of sci-fi horror, if this isn't high on your list, maybe like right behind Alien,
Starting point is 00:22:17 then you're doing something wrong. The practical effects are amazing. The tension in the movie is so high. Like you break out in a sweat while you watch it. It has some, I would say all times, at least one, at least one all time set piece for like a thriller scary movie, which is the blood test scene. I won't say any more about it except that there's a scene
Starting point is 00:22:45 where they're testing everyone's blood to find out who is the thing. And you're just sitting there like shh. Oh wait, so is the thing like, it's like a Cylon and that like, it just looks like a person? Oh, Joe, you don't know this? I thought that it was some monster. That's why I always thought it was stupid. I was like, ah, it's stupid. Some giant monster eighties,
Starting point is 00:23:08 whatever. That's trash. Just some giant monster eighties, whatever. That's trash. Wow. What a thought process. No, I mean, uh, if you haven't looked into it at all, I could see where that would be your thought process. Listen, um, I'll say is that Carpenter is all time. Great. They're so mad at me at chat. Like they're so bad. Oh, I'm glad they're on my side here. Great. Great. Squid says you're killing us, Joe. Jesus. Yeah. And the entire thing takes place in Antarctica, which is why it is a weather movie
Starting point is 00:23:47 So it's also like an incredible like, you know scary movie on like an Arctic base kind of a deal Love that love that so I just you know carpenter with his music and his and his direction and his way of like ratcheting up tension. And I mean, he also like, I think helps write and he really produces these things that he creates and the dialogue and the thing and the characters, everything about it is so fantastic. And it's based on an older movie. I believe it's a Howard Hawks film, or at least he produced it called The
Starting point is 00:24:24 Thing from Another World from the 1950s. And that one is also excellent. If you ever, they're very different. So you can check out one without being spoiled on the other. Okay. Uh, we've done our fives and our fours kind of, so let us now, uh, just, can we take a collar? Just like at least one. And then we'll get into our number three. Well, I just mentioned their name, uh, great gray squid, who's obviously very frustrated with me. Let's give them a voice on the show here.
Starting point is 00:24:51 I don't know if great gray, uh, you're welcome to come to the stage if you'd, uh, if you'd like to join us on discord. Yeah. Oh, can you hear us? All right. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, I can hear you
Starting point is 00:25:05 You seem frustrated with me great gray squid The thing is one of your would it be on your list of your top five? Top five snowy movies. Absolutely. It'd be at the top of my top five snowy movies list. Okay, okay Really it captures the horror of the cold as the contrasting horror to the monster, right? You've got this monster and you've got the cold and either one could kill you at any time in the whole movie. And it really does capture the horror of the cold.
Starting point is 00:25:39 And personally, as a Texan, I don't want to deal with that. It sounds like it sounds like the terror a bit like the terror is yelling at me. What are you yelling? Just go. Oh, it's goes nomination is hot frosty. I'm sorry. There's really, there's always two of us. Got you.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Uh, what do you think of me putting it at number four? Is that too low? I understand you probably have other priorities, but for me, that's the best snowy movie just because it's a good movie and the snow is like an integral element of the setting. You could also make an argument for like Snowpiercer or something like that. But yeah, it's absolutely, uh, a great movie where the snow is central to it. Did you know it wasn't a hit when it came out?
Starting point is 00:26:31 I did not know that it didn't do awesome. It didn't like fail. It wasn't like a box office like complete failure, but it, you know, back then it was very competitive. Your box office numbers in it underperformed, I guess on its budget and John Carpenter was disappointed. It's such a classic in so many ways. And I mean, obviously they remade it and it was garbage, but I think the original film is really great in a lot of ways. They did remake it, but the remake was about the, you know, they find that team of what are they? German or Swedish scientists?
Starting point is 00:27:07 And I think it's about them, isn't it? I don't even know. I only watched part of it. And I was like, what is this? I don't want to watch. No, I hear you. It's not great. And it's not but it's not quite a remake. It's like. It's like, I guess it's a prequel, I think. If I'm wrong about that, someone hop on here and holler at me. I know everything, but sometimes I have trouble remembering everything that I know.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Great Gray, thanks for the call. I want to keep moving because I don't want to give anybody a chance to list off a bunch of movies. But Great Gray mentioned Snowpiercer, which is an awesome snowy movie, did not make my top five. Did not make my list either. Okay. All right. Well, at least it's out there.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Snowpiercer should be mentioned because it is a... Look, they're in the train. They're barely dealing with the snow. Yeah. It doesn't really seem to have much of an impact on the movie at all. The snow is mostly in the title. It's mostly in the title. It's mostly in the title. Oh, so I just checked in for my flight to Dallas. So we're going. I mean, this, this is happening.
Starting point is 00:28:10 We're trying to do the show. I was literally focused. Maybe next time we can make it a segment. Joe checks into a flight. I have to check in. So I get the seat that I want. Like I have to check in right then. Are you, that's cool. Hey, Joe, do you mind if I go send a couple invoices real quick? I'll be right back. How dare you compare invoices to the comfort of an airplane? I mean, this is, this is very, very important stuff here. Let's do one more caller or do you want to go to our number threes and then take a caller? Let's do number threes and then take a number threes and then somebody else is going to get up here. Is
Starting point is 00:28:43 it me again? Oh yeah, you just did the thing. So I'll do my number three. Yeah. My number three is the shining. Great pick. Not on my list. I forgot that that's a snowy weather movie, but it's super important to it. It's super important to it.
Starting point is 00:29:02 It's all about being trapped in, in the snow. And there's obviously we just talked about, didn't we talk about on glass cannon radio, or was that a, a talk nerdy town hall where it was like the, the, this, or maybe I was listening to this on some like another podcast, but it was just, they were talking about the scene of how scary it is when he's out in the snow, trying to chase down his own kid, and then just like freezing in the snow. Horrifying scene and really well done.
Starting point is 00:29:30 Anyway, great movie. Everybody knows the Chinese. It does what the thing does, which is basically the snow's coming down, so in horror it's so important to be isolated, right? So you can't just like call in the military to deal with whatever. So, you know, the snow keeps them in that hotel. It keeps them it keeps them together
Starting point is 00:29:49 It keeps them trapped and isolated and alone and that's what the the the Arctic weather does in the thing as well You know, there's no way out very scary Yeah, so that that's my number three. I think it's self explanatory Joe extra points scary. Yeah. So that's my number three. I think it's, uh, self-explanatory. Joe extra points, extra points to you, Joe, because a character actually freezes to death in your movie. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Which I think is a giant like bonus points in a snowy weather movie off. I think that that's. Yeah. Jeffers dog just dropped in, in discord chat. If you see it, the image of, of, uh, of old Jack Nicholson frozen to death. Oh yeah. It's good stuff. Good stuff. So wonderful. Yeah. What is your number? Three. My number three. Now we might hit, we might hit on some,
Starting point is 00:30:41 I hope you've heard of them. My number three is a 1998 movie from director Sam Raimi called A Simple Plan. Ah, okay. So during research for this, I saw a simple plan pop up. Never heard of it, never seen it. I saw who was in it, I saw who made it, and immediately- Bill Paxton, Billy Bob Thornton, Bridget Fonda, go ahead. And I immediately wrote down, I put it on, literally my to-do list for work.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I put figure out when and how to watch a simple plan. Because it also comes to me, like, it just in the glory days of movies for me. Things that were made in the 90s, I find, I usually love them. Like I love their style. So I jotted it down. That's so funny. I was like, I gotta see this movie,
Starting point is 00:31:36 but no, I never saw it. Well, it's just amazing and fantastic. And it is a, what I would call a film noir or a neo-noir, which means it's about crime and it's about how people are very flawed. And the basic premise is Bill Paxton, I believe he's an accountant in Minnesota. He and his brother Billy Bob Thornton,
Starting point is 00:32:03 who's not like the brightest bulb, but who is not, you know, he's not developmentally disabled like in sling blade, but he is not the brightest guy ever. Uh, and their friend, they go out in the woods. I think they're hunting in the winter in Minnesota and they find a crash plane with like, I think it's like $40 million in cash in it. So they don't know who crashed this plane, but they know because there aren't a bunch of rescue teams
Starting point is 00:32:34 there, it probably wasn't someone. Yes. So, but there's nobody there. So they take the money and all they have to do, Joe, this is why it's called a simple plan. All they have to do is not talk about it and not, and not spend it for a while. Yeah. That's all they have to do. Yeah. What could go wrong? Okay. This is going to be great because like, I always think that in these kind of movies where you have you know Obviously, this is a very specific situation, but I'm always like why can't you just?
Starting point is 00:33:11 Not say anything and don't spend the money for a while, right? Why is this always like the thing that trips everybody up in these movies? But the fact that this movie is based around that exact idea. I'm curious. I'm excited. Yeah I mean the the ways that it gets out of control are surprising and the stakes go up and up and up. And it's just an amazing performance from every actor in the movie. And it's so cold. and, and it's so cold. It's just Minnesota winter and, uh, uh, everything is muffled and white. And, um, it's, it's just amazing. So, um, I can't wait to check in 1998, Sam Raimi, uh, the director of
Starting point is 00:34:00 Spider-Man, Spider-Man two evil dead, evil dead too. Uh, but this is a sort of a different film for him, more of a thriller. Should we take some more callers? Sure, how about Rema? Now that they've heard our number threes. How about Rema? Rema!
Starting point is 00:34:16 Rema, your mic is muted. Make sure it's unmuted. I'm not muted. Oh, there we go. There you go. What's up, Rema? Hey, it was 12 degrees when I woke up this morning, so I know about, no. There you go. There you go. So what do you, where should we start? What do you think of the list so far? So far, pretty good. I have one that I know neither of you have. I stumped Skid on this a couple months ago. The 1968, the great silence. It's right.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Silence that if I'm not mistaken is a Western. Am I right? It, it is spaghetti Western 68 third Yoko boot for Bootschy. Klaus Kinski is the bad guy, uh, set in Utah in the great Blizzard of 1899. Whoa. Cool. And, uh, in humor, Coney did the music. God, it's great.
Starting point is 00:35:14 It's very hard to find. I mean, uh, I, I, that what a great pick. I have not seen it, but I have heard of it. I hear heard it's amazing. I've heard when it comes to spaghetti Westerns, you gotta check out Sergio Corbucci and then of course, Klaus Kinski is un un unhinged in every role that he plays. So it sounds awesome.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Can you tell us a little bit about the plot? Uh, so there's, there's silence. He's not Kinski. He's another guy who ended up much, later being in city lost children, but he is mute as to defend a group of outlaws against bounty hunters and can see the insane leader the bounty hunters. snow and the Dolomites and it looks amazing if you get a good copy. Otherwise it was dude. Uh, a mute guy is defending outlaws versus evil bounty hunters led by Klaus Kinski in a Snowden cabin just gave me goose pimples in my nether regions. I think that sounds amazing. Wow. Awesome. Well, thank you, Rima. Good, uh, good suggestion to add into the mix.
Starting point is 00:36:32 Now, silence. Is that what it was called? The great silence. 1968. He said Sergio Corbucci, listen, uh, we can talk about snowy Westerns. I have a snowy Western on my list. You could talk about Tarantino's, the hateful eight. The hateful eight. If you wanted to. And I guarantee you that Tarantino was probably thinking about the great silence when he made the hateful eight.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I have a snowy Western on my list. It's neither of those. It's neither of those. It's neither of those, but great, great, great. Suggestion, Rima. Okay, who else has? Let's get to my number two because it is, I believe, your number five. Wind River.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Wind River. Wind River. Jeremy Renner, Elizabeth Olsen. Tell me what you think, Joe. It's, it's hard. It is hard to watch. It's hard to watch. It's a very adult film, adult content.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Uh, and I mean that, you know, be careful at all the trigger warnings for wind river. Yep. Um, yeah, I, here's what I love about it. As I got into running Delta green, I wanted to consume as much sort of law enforcement entertainment as I could law enforcement drama, especially ones that had a different take on it, cause that's kind of what Delta green is all about. It's why I love hell or high water, right? Like you're seeing it from a different perspective and the law enforcement feel like real people. They don't feel like these, like a bunch of paladins or something, right? Like you get the sense of how it's just two different sides of the same coin in a lot of ways.
Starting point is 00:38:28 And what I love about Wind River is it highlights something that I love to highlight in Delta Green Games when I can, which is the clash between federal law enforcement and local law enforcement, particularly when you're talking about an Indian reservation, a Native American reservation, like that law, their own law enforcement clashing with federal law enforcement. Fascinating way to set up a movie and a story. And then you have sort of like a true pathfinder character in the ranger of Jeremy Renner, right? Like a neutral ranger. So it has a lot of neat setup. Then you add the fact that it is based on true events, that it is horrific and so enlightening about some of the fucked up shit that happens in these places.
Starting point is 00:39:21 And then you add the last layer for me for this list, which is it is unbelievably snowy. Every scene is in snow. Where does it take place? I need to remember. Is it Wyoming? Wyoming, I think. Wyoming. Maybe. Let's look it up. But yeah, I mean, I agree with everything you've said about it so far. And so, and so what I love there is kind of like, you got the three angles,
Starting point is 00:39:47 you have Elizabeth Olson as the federal agent, you have Jeremy Renner as the neutral sort of Ranger, and you have, oh my God, I forget the actor's name, phenomenal actor, uh, the guy who plays like the sheriff. Um, right. Uh, I don't remember, but anyway, uh, I, I should have these things like pulled up before I even start talking about them so that I can, uh, you know, comment on the act. The sheriff and wind river chat. Let us know. John Bernthal, John Bernthal, maybe.
Starting point is 00:40:18 Thank you. McD is that, sorry. Um, apologies. Joe McD just gave us the answer. Uh, yes, yes. Um, no, I'm sorry. Was it Gil Birmingham? I'm talking about Graham Greene. Isn't he like a, the sheriff?
Starting point is 00:40:34 Graham Greene. Um, I think that that's the role. Yeah. It's a playing, but, um, yeah, Gil Birmingham is, is yeah, one of the, one of the fathers and Oh God, so good. Uh, anyway, Jarrett, what jumps out to you about wind river? Why did that make your list?
Starting point is 00:40:52 Wind river I think is, um, in addition to being a very serious film with some serious things to say some horrific things to show, but based on true accounts, so sort of maybe enlightening people as to some of the kind of awful things that go on. It also, it just works as kind of an action movie in a lot of ways or like a, or like a crime thriller. So there are some sequences of action that are real nail biters that I think are fantastic. I put it lowest on my list at number five because I have one bone to pick with it only one. And while I think Elizabeth Olson does an incredible acting job, I think that she's an incredibly, um, uh, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:36 accomplished actor. I think she's better than her reputation. Honestly, I still don't buy her as a federal agent. All right. Well, let me explain why you're wrong for the purposes of this film. Okay. That was my first thought as well. But it's the first time I put on the movie, I roll. Like as soon as she steps out of the car and is like, FBI. I'm like, come on, man.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Like, what am I watching? Like ABC at 8 p.m. on, man. Like, what am I watching? Like ABC at, at 8 PM on a Tuesday. Like this is, this is supposed to be telling a very important story here. The, the reason that I rethought it after admittedly multiple watching is cause I love the movie so much. Like I kind of got over that hump because I feel like it's so important and really heightens the degree of the film. like it's so important and really heightens the degree of the film when you don't make the federal agent some kind of imposing classic federal agent figure, but make them someone
Starting point is 00:42:35 that seems completely out of place and seems as if they should have no power there and no real ability to do anything. A fish out of water. A fish out of water and a fish out of her own role. And I feel like that's why I did like that casting because she's so, she's kind of petite, right? And she's so young and it just seems like she's, and she's just standing around among all these guys that are dealing with this situation.
Starting point is 00:43:03 And it's so important that she's a woman as well, considering the crime that she's trying to get to the bottom up. And so I did end up really being like, you know what, maybe this was a choice to set tone correctly. I think it was a choice. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that they were like, the only person we can get is Elizabeth Olsen. I think for sure Taylor Sheridan,
Starting point is 00:43:25 who's a great director, thought all that through. Right, exactly. And I didn't think they were just like, let's put a pretty face in there. Like, I don't think that's what it was. Right, I agree, I agree. To me though, I mean like, look, I totally get everything you're saying
Starting point is 00:43:41 and good points made, but still to me, I'm like, there is no way this wisp of a girl got through FBI training. Oh, that's not true necessarily. I mean, they do, I mean, a lot of times if the petite size ones are, and men too are like, they're really way better at this stuff than you think because they can do these physical demanding tasks sometimes better than the big ones.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Can has never seen feds like honestly, he's asking you honestly, I haven't honestly seen feds. I should. For me, the perfect, the perfect, uh, Elizabeth Olson like casting is Ingrid goes west where she plays an LA influencer who like has like promotional hats and stuff like that and like, and hand creams that to me is a extremely believable Elizabeth Olson role. And I also like her as Scarlet witch.
Starting point is 00:44:43 I think that she, she nails it as Scarlet Witch somehow, but yeah, federal agent. It's a, it's a bridge too far for me. But, but enough said you, I think you've convinced a lot of people you very good reason. There's also the works. There's also the idea that one last thing I'll say on it is that she is she's supposed to also be like extremely low level FBI. Like even the FBI thinks that she's kind of a joke. That's why she's sent to the middle of nowhere in awful conditions to deal with a situation they just don't feel like or care about. Feel
Starting point is 00:45:22 like dealing with or care about. So anyway, that's why I thought the casting did work for me, but I agree. The first time I watched it, I roll. I was like, come on, but stick with it. There's a good reason I think that she's playing that role and she does a great job. I, yeah, well, we can agree Wind River is a great movie. Yes, agreed.
Starting point is 00:45:39 So that was my number two. What was your number two? Then we'll do a caller before our number one. My number two, Robert Altman's 1970, I believe, snowy weather, anti-Western, McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Wow, okay, there you go. There's one I've never heard of. Okay, well this is good.
Starting point is 00:46:02 We've only hit one that you've never heard of. Only hit one. So full disclosure to the audience here. Pre-show I said to Jared that I was going to base, I was going to put a line, the over-under line of how many movies on his top five I've never even heard of at over under one and a half. And McD was like, and I'll take the over. Meaning we thought the two out of your five movies
Starting point is 00:46:28 I would have never heard of. And it was very close on a simple plan. I happened to find out about it during research for this show. You found out about it yesterday. Now the other one, so right now we're at one I've never heard of. So we'll see where we get from there.
Starting point is 00:46:42 You'll definitely have heard of my number one. So number two is McCabe and Mrs. Miller. So this is Warren Beatty and Julie Christie, and it is about a, um, sort of a timber camp way up North. I think it's Montana. Um, and it's basically like a bunch of, it's just a bunch of camp of like, you know, lonely men out in the woods with one little Presbyterian church. And Warren Beatty comes rolling into town and he's a man of, of taste, class and, uh, erudition. And he also claims, uh, there are rumors that he won a great gunfight
Starting point is 00:47:26 somewhere down South and people kind of believe it, but is it true? And, uh, he sets up a brothel and a casino in this town with Julie Christie as the madam who sort of convinces him to do it and they become first this incredible business partnership, but then they also sort of become romantically involved, but it's complicated because she still charges him when they have their rendezvous, uh, nightly and, uh, they become really rich and powerful within the context of this little, this little snowy town.
Starting point is 00:48:06 And then as often happens in a Western, uh, when you're the biggest gun in town, other people start gunning for you. And the way that's without beating the best Jared. That's right. Uh, and the thing is, is Warren Beatty even the best or did he just make people believe that he was? Okay. And this is, this is ranked extremely high on your list, uh, compared, you know, kind
Starting point is 00:48:31 of to these other films. So you're saying that this is one of your favorite movies, like of all time. Absolutely. If I had to make a master list of favorite movies, this would be, this would definitely break the top 100. It might break the top 50 and, uh, it's an amazing snowy weather movie because it has an incredible snowy weather climax. Um, but it's kind of cold the whole time cause it's way up North and here's why I love it. It works on like so many levels.
Starting point is 00:49:02 It works as a Western. It works as so many levels. It works as a Western. It works as a doomed romance. It works as a Western. It works as a romance, but it also like inverts both of those things. Like it's a twisted romance. It's a twisted Western. Um, it also has that Altman style. If you're not familiar with Robert Altman, he also directed Nashville and mash and a dozen other amazing films where the dialogue kind of overlaps and people don't quite act like play actors where they wait for the other person to finish their line and then say they're very written line. Like, open movies feel almost improvised. Okay, all right. I love that style.
Starting point is 00:49:48 The first movie I always think of with that, so I came to dramas late in life. Like, I always just kind of watched comedies and action movies, right? Like, middle school into early high school, like, just a dumb dude. Like, that's all I, that was just like, just give me more action and comedy.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Ace Ventura is the best movie I've ever seen. Right? Like that kind of stuff. And it wasn't until a little bit later that I got into like dramas and I started going back, watching movies from the seventies and stuff like that. The one that always jumps out to me is one flew over the cuckoo's nest. When I saw that, I was like, this doesn't feel like there's even a movie script anywhere near it. Like it feels like they're just hidden cameras are shooting these people because of how much they talked over each other, because of how real the dialogue felt, the way they'd interrupt each other.
Starting point is 00:50:35 And then somebody would like snap back on the interruption and comment on what was said. And I mean, it was just, just brilliant. I mean, Altman even had problems with studio executives sometimes, because they would be like, I can't understand what anyone is saying. Like, that's how overlapped it becomes at some points. But yeah, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, so it works as a Western, but it also kind of like, it's sort of affecting in kind of an emotional way that is,
Starting point is 00:51:08 and I also, and I'll go ahead and spoil this. It's a sad movie. So I really like sad movies and this is one of the saddest. It's definitely one of the saddest Westerns. So that's my number two, McCabe and Mrs. Miller. Okay. Well, before- Take some calls. Let's take a call. Take some calls. Let's take a caller. Dr. Billy, you've been waiting patiently. Dr. Billy. How are you, pal?
Starting point is 00:51:30 Hello. How are we doing on the ones and twos, my man? We're doing great. We're doing great, Dr. Billy. How are you? Doing great. Doing spectacular. I'm glad I finally got the chance to come and make one of these. It's been a lot of fun. What's your thought on Jared's number two movie that no one's ever heard of? But Jared, it's not true. Tons of people have heard it. Cinephiles include this movie. Not me. Of course, I haven't heard of that one.
Starting point is 00:51:53 But I say a lot of a lot of the ones. I mean, I got a great list now to watch, you know, once we join this snowy weather. Yeah, I will say the one that I thought of and it's, thought of, and you got me with the hateful eight Jared earlier, you son of a bitch, that was a really good one. But the one that came to mind that is sort of out of left field, I don't know if either of you have seen Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. Now-
Starting point is 00:52:16 Oh, interesting. Not particularly, I vaguely remember snow being involved at some point, or the idea or the imagery of snow. It's not really a winter movie, but it has that feeling. Okay. Cause just to be clear, we are ranking winter movies. Yes. So I think it's amazing that you came on here and we're like, okay, so the one thing is
Starting point is 00:52:37 snow is not in it. But wait, why does it feel that way? Why does it feel that way? Because well, I watched it at Christmas and it has the underlying themes of family and the idea of becoming human, becoming integrated with a community and a family in the face of overwhelming adversity in fascist Italy. It has all of those through lines that make it feel to me like a movie I want to watch when I'm stuck indoors, when I want to feel closer to other people that I'm watching it with. And, you know, it's got that kind of, it's like the anti-hateful eight in the same kind of feeling where it's like, I want to be as far away from those people as possible, but I'm trapped in a room with them. No, no, no. Now I'm trapped in a room with everyone and I, I want to get to know
Starting point is 00:53:26 them better and not let people divide us up. It has that feeling to me. I don't know. I really like it. It's a, you know, I can't really follow rules. Well, Jared, you know this, you know, I know it's your rule breaker. Hey, you know what? It wouldn't be a call in radio show if there wasn't someone calling it and going snowy weather movies What if I gave you one that doesn't have snowy weather? There may be snow. I just can't remember it very well I think I don't remember if there's no I remember more of the air raids than anything else. It was good, though It's a great well highly recommend if you haven't seen I'll tell you this dr. Billy You didn't steal my number one
Starting point is 00:54:06 My number one. Yeah. Have you my number one Beverly Hills cop? There's no snow in it. Now listen, it gives you when they're all in the chop shop. It gives you the feeling of when you're, when you're huddled together during a winter type feeling. I am not joking when I saw the prompt of snow day movies. I thought, well, that means the movie I watched most often when I had a snow day as a kid. Oh, you know what?
Starting point is 00:54:38 Which was Shrek, which is completely unrelated to winter, but that's my snow day movie. That is an interesting concept, Dr. Billy. Thanks for the call. I have one on my list. I have a whole list of honorable mentions that we'll go through later that I will not describe any details about, but I just want to rattle off some names because you got to make the honorable mentions. One that jumps out so much to me because I watched it in like
Starting point is 00:55:03 snowy weather. So yeah, anyway, that can cross over, but you know, the top five, they really had to have snow as part of them. No, no, that's okay. And that's interesting. I mean, you know, the movies that you watch when it is snowy, that could be an entire other list. Totally, totally.
Starting point is 00:55:20 So interesting, interesting. All right, let's- You know what? I think we might have a friend in the discord right now, Joe. Might we? No. We might. I got a text. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:55:34 All right. All right. Uh, all right. Everybody stand by. Let's see. Uh, I mean, all of the nature are our friends, but we might have a particular friend. Yeah. Uh, man, I can't, I can't remember.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Here's what I'll say. There we go. There we go. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome special guests popping in today via text. Uh, our good friend, Paula Deming. Paula, your mic is muted on Discord for all the other shows that we do. Hello. Unmute your mic and we should be able to hear you. Am I muted? Paula? I can hear
Starting point is 00:56:14 you Paula. Okay. So it just said Paula. So I'm not 100% sure it's Paula Deming. Then I look and I see the picture, the icon on it is Paula Deming with her face in her hands, losing at a board game. Wait, oh, that's definitely Paula Deming. Joe, I can hear Paula, can you hear her? Oh shit, I'm so sorry, guys. Discord issue, fixed on my end. Now I can hear. Hello, hello, hello.
Starting point is 00:56:40 Okay, great, great, great, there we go, sorry. That was my fault. Can you hear me now? Gotcha. Can you hear me now? Yes. Paula Deming, everybody, hello. Okay, great, great, great. There we go, sorry, that was my fault. Can you hear me now? Gotcha. Yes. Okay. Paula Deming, everybody. Hi, Paula. Hi, Paula. Thanks for calling into our show.
Starting point is 00:56:51 You're welcome. I am in my car. I just left my doctor appointment. Wow, so LA. This is very important to me. Yeah, so LA. Hey, I just brought you up while I'm driving. I pulled over.
Starting point is 00:57:02 In front of a really funny church sign that I'm going to take a picture of. That's amazing. Well, thanks for calling in, especially on the road. And your timing couldn't be more perfect. Jared and I are about to give our number one snowy weather movies. And why don't you preempt us here? I hope you don't steal mine. I'd love to.
Starting point is 00:57:24 What is your number one all time snowy weather movie? Look, Jared, don't be mad. Cause I did catch the beginning of this when you were like, this isn't Christmas movies. And I was like, oh, but mine technically takes place at Christmas. Hey, you know what, Paula? We just had a guy call in with a movie
Starting point is 00:57:42 that doesn't have snow in it. So consider the bar lowered. No, not only is this one of my favorite snowy weather movies, one of my favorite holiday time movies, it is one of my favorite all time movies. And I think it's time to get a little, having not heard who else has called in yet, it's time to get a little like lady action happening here on the show. Mine is while you were
Starting point is 00:58:09 sleeping the classic Bill Pullman Sandra Bullock 1990s rom-com that happens over yes Christmas and New Year's but in this movie Sandra Bullock works as the like person who takes the money for people who want to get on the train in New York City and she always works the holidays because she has no family and so she's just always working the holidays and there's a guy who shows up and he's always showing up and she's never talked to him but she's like he's so handsome I have a crush on him she vanities about marrying him he gets mugged standing by the tracks gets pushed off the tracks they the muggers run off and then a train comes and she's like oh no and she jumps on the onto the tracks and
Starting point is 00:59:01 grabs him and like rolls him out of danger. And then he's unconscious. They go to the hospital. And so I know there's no snow yet, but it's like, it's cold. It's really cold. There's snow. I remember this movie being cold. Yeah. It's a winter weather film.
Starting point is 00:59:17 There's slipping on the ice that occurs, right? Oh, oh yes. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. So just to have this premise a little bit is. So, then she's like there in the ER because they, of course, are taking to the ER. And one of the nurses overhears her say to herself, oh, I was going to marry that guy and thinks that's his fiance. And this gets spread to his family, who is somewhat
Starting point is 00:59:45 estranged who comes to visit. So they think she's his fiance, he's in a coma. And she's lonely, and they're really nice to her. And then of course, twist, she starts falling for his really nice, wonderful brother played by Bill Coleman. And, and you know, tension and drama ensues but there's particularly a great scene where she and bull, bull, bull Pullman, Bill Pullman are like bonding and they're trying to walk up to her apartment and it's really icy and they like there's a whole scene where they're like doing the thing where they're slipping on the ice and trying not to fall in
Starting point is 01:00:25 What end up in each other's arms? It's that But that is sort of hot, you know, like that is so like really romantic and cool. I like that scene It's only the only the kind of thing that only happens in movies, right? Like it's like in movies people like are like tickling each other and then suddenly their faces are really close and they're like, wait, are we gonna kiss? I didn't even, I thought we hated each other. Like that doesn't happen in real life, you know? But in movies, it does, it's like that. And yeah, there's just a lot of cold.
Starting point is 01:00:55 You see her in a coat buying hot dogs and picking onions off of her hot dogs on the street with her little fingerless gloves. You just feel cold, but warm. You know what I love is like only in Hollywood, when you cast Sandra Bullock as like, she's so alone, no one wants to hang out with her, she's a lonely Betty. Right? Exactly.
Starting point is 01:01:18 What's like casting her in, this is not snowy weather at all, but in Miss Congeniality, you're like, really? I'm supposed to believe that girl doesn't groom herself. Like, right. It doesn't know how to put makeup on, but here to Sandra Bullock's credit, uh, she, she, she's so good that you believe it in, uh, in those movies, you know, you believe that she is that character and bill Pullman also doesn't get talked
Starting point is 01:01:43 about as much as he should. Bill Pullman is such a fantastic actor. I love him. Maybe like ideal man. Like it's strange to be like, wow, I love, I'm like in love with him and while you're sleeping, but also as he's playing like the hot dad and Casper, right? Like, I mean, but he's, he's like Sandra Bullock where I think he can do comedy and drama equally well and action. Yeah, he's great.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Independence Day. I love Bill Pullman and I love Sandra Bullock and I love Peter Boyle and Jack Warden is great too. And they, I feel, I'm like 90% sure I saw this movie like in the 90s and really liked it. But I, if I saw it, I only saw it once. And I should absolutely watch it again, because I think they're both so charming, Sandra Bullock and Bill Pullman. So I mean, I can imagine they're only great together. Hot take, it's better than Sleepless in Seattle, for sure. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:02:47 Wow. From a Muslim perspective. For sure. Now the glove has been thrown down. We gotta rank Romcoms. All time Romcoms. I am in, I will be on video. I will be a special third guest for this.
Starting point is 01:03:01 This is my moment. This is my moment. Oh, that is amazing. You have to school me because like you said, it got very testosterone-y with our lists. So yeah, we probably missed some things. Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mine was a great pick, Joe. And then at that point I had to go to my appointment. I heard nothing else. Well, another one that we mentioned was the holdovers.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Have you seen that yet? No, because it seemed kind of depressing. I watched a bit of it on an airplane, like on someone else's screen. That's how I watch most airplane movies is I just see bits of it on other people's screens as they're watching movies. So you saw some of it, but you haven't heard any of it? Correct, yes.
Starting point is 01:03:47 Haven't heard it yet. Haven't heard it yet. Haven't heard it yet. Well, I highly recommend it. I think it does have some sad stuff, but it is also, it warms your heart, I feel like. Yeah, at times. So anyway, definitely check it out.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Paula, thank you so much. And this is, so anyway, definitely check it out Paula. Thank you so much in This is I mean Paula can hang out Yeah, do you want to hang out for our last number ones or do you want to bounce? It's up to you Well, probably like I am in my car She's at an intersection trying to take a left And there are no protected left turns in LA, so it's a night. Right. I should probably finish my drive home.
Starting point is 01:04:33 Okay, well then come back on the show another time soon. I will, I would love to. Yeah, okay, great. Thanks for calling in Paula. Drive safe. Thanks for having me, Jordan. Thanks, thanks everyone. Thank you, Paula. Drive safe. Thanks for having me, Jordan. Thanks. Bye. Thanks, everyone. Thank you, Paula.
Starting point is 01:04:46 So Joe, we should get to our number ones because we need time for your Pathfinder build, buddy. We are so over time right now, but we don't have enough fucking blast. All right, let's go. It's so funny. We're at our most important picks, but we have to kind of get through them.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Yes. So give me your number one. My number one, to me, unquestionable number one for me Everything else was hard to rank. This was not hard to rank Fargo my number one Joe Do you know why my number one is it has to be Fargo? It's Fargo. There we go, buddy Look at us believe this all four are different underneath it, but the number one is Fargo We are destined to host the show together. Complete mind meld, the same number one.
Starting point is 01:05:31 I mean, it could be that it's just far and away the best snowy weather movie. It could be that, right? Yeah. I think that it's just, yeah. Sometimes you just know, like there's just one that stands, it's the first thing you think of, it's the first thing you picture And then when you start analyzing as I did with this how much snow is there a shit ton? Then you start like how much comedy drama mix how good is the script?
Starting point is 01:05:58 How good are the performances everything five out of five five out of five five out of five on that movie like I mean a show so good. It spawned a television series that is also so good. Yeah. That is also fantastic. So yeah, you just don't, you don't run into like what you had with, um, you know, your little beef with Elizabeth Olsen casting and wind river. Like there's no moment where you're like, man, uh, uh, what's his face? This does not seem like a car salesman. Oh God.
Starting point is 01:06:27 I mean, everybody is perfectly. Everybody is so perfectly cast. Yeah, the Coens are good at that. The Coens are very good at casting, but. Yeah, everything from, obviously, oh God, I just always blank on names. Francis McDorm names. Um, Francis McDormand, everything from Francis McDormand to like, uh,
Starting point is 01:06:52 her husband who is, who's wonderful. Uh, and the other like assisting cops who are so funny. Uh, Oh my God, so good. But then you really feel, when you watch that movie, like a couple of times, you really start to feel the tension, you know, for- That movie is scary. It's funny, it's dramatic, and it's scary. You start to feel like the anxiety, the intensity is so well scripted and paced
Starting point is 01:07:21 so that you get to a point where you're seeing through his eyes and you're like, oh my God, like the entire world is collapsing around. His incredible acting does that for you. I think he's so incredible in that role. Agreed. Yeah. All time and another 90s movie, another 90s film. Another 90s film. There you go. So I don't think we have to say- It's when we peaked as a culture. It's when we peaked as a culture. If you weren't alive yet, Niche, you missed it. Sorry, you missed it.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Sorry. Yeah, anyway, he did a fantastic job. I don't think we have to say too much more on Fargo. It's an amazing film. I mean, we could do another segment another day down the road just on Coen Brothers films and just breaking those down, you know. Although next time we rank stuff,
Starting point is 01:08:03 we should go outside movies. We should do something else, you know. Although next time we rank stuff, we should go outside movies. We should do something else, I feel. We will bring this segment back. I thought this was fun. And listen, we're gonna move on now, but if you wanna call it and go, hey, and by the way, my snowy weather movie was XYZ, feel free to do so, hop in the Discord,
Starting point is 01:08:22 raise your hand subscribers, and we will get you on the show. But right now, let us move to topic two. Are the discord, raise your hand subscribers and we will get you on the show. But right now let us move to topic two. Are you ready? Joe O'Brien? I'm ready. Good buddy.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Okay. So we just wanted to kind of shout out to some things that are being released in the world of video games. Um, two very, very important releases and Joe, I will let you start, you start with the game that you're excited about that you wanted to talk about. Yeah, I wanted to mention that avowed is now out. It came out yesterday, official full release yesterday avowed. This is from obsidian entertainment, the studio that did fallout new Vegas, which is a huge,
Starting point is 01:09:03 which was a huge hit and considered a masterpiece by many, a standout masterpiece in a series that had a couple masterpieces, the Fallout series. They also did Pillars of Eternity, which I played. I played Fallout New Vegas later, but I played Pillars of Eternity when it came out and was, you know, I played, you know, dozens and dozens of hours of that, of that game loved it. So this was their kind of Skyrim take first person adventure. And I started it yesterday. I busted it out.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I streamed it and really enjoying it so far. Absolutely beautiful visuals and interesting kind of take on the way combat works and stuff in that it's action-y like Skyrim, but it feels a little bit more even arcade-y at times, which I think is a fun kind of twist. It's not hyper- How arcade-y? What do you mean by that? I mean like, so in old school like Morrowind, you would like, you just would keep swiping your sword and it had like a random chance of hitting. And when it would hit, it would just go like, ha, oh, ha, right? Like, and then the hit points would go down. In Skyrim, you started to get a little bit more of
Starting point is 01:10:19 like, oh, ah, like the enemy would stagger kind of from your hits with this. There's like a couple of frames of like freeze when you're, when you strike a creature and it like frees it for like a split second and it goes like, oh, and it has like a direct reaction to the direction of your hip and how you hit. And you feel, and it vibrates your controller, like you feel the impact a little bit more. So, and it's not like simulationy. It's a little bit more, I felt like, and it has almost like a little like, like a burst kind of graphic almost feels like it comes out.
Starting point is 01:10:56 There's like a moment where it freezes. The magic is very easy to start off with. It kind of feels like everybody gets magic and warrior abilities like very early on. What I think is cool is that people have guns. You can get guns. Yes. You can have spells and guns. Same time. You can be like fire spell blunder bus. You know, the next the next fantasy world. IGM is going to have guns have guns. I want gun fantasy. I think that sounds so cool.
Starting point is 01:11:27 I snuck up behind a guy very early on as part of the tutorial, and it's like, stay in the tall grasses. I snuck up behind a creature, and it was like, okay, attack. Now use this button for a sneak attack, and here it's this special thing that your character has as a godlike.
Starting point is 01:11:42 And I hit the button, and this bright white light came out of like a dagger out of my hand. And I just sort of like closed this distance rapidly and just jacked this guy up in the back and like insta killed him. And it was super dramatic and intense. And it was like the pleasures of fictional violence. Yeah, exactly. It was like very, uh, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:12:04 It's very flashy. There's a lot don't know, it's very flashy. There's a lot of fun colors that it's beautifully colored. And this is in the world of Pillars of Eternity, which was a world I really loved and enjoyed when I played the RPG, Pillars of Eternity, right? Yes, exactly. So you have the Arda, you know, you have the stones. And so what they act like here is like rest areas.
Starting point is 01:12:23 You set up camp and at camp, it kind of does a Baldur's gate mechanic where like you go into camp and it just turns into night automatically no matter when it was. And the, your companions are standing around and you can talk to them, advanced stories, advanced quests. You can upgrade weapons and materials, you can cook and eat and all that kind of stuff. But instead of it being like menus, like it is in Baldur's Gate, you know, or just like the top down isometric walking over to somebody, it's all first person. So, you know, you walk over to the anvil, you walk over to walk into your tent. Right. Very Skyrim. But I heard you can play, you can play third-person. In third person too, if you wish.
Starting point is 01:13:01 You can. Yep. Yeah. So I haven't, I haven't experimented with that yet because I really like first person. I think it's fun, but, uh, the Vistas look so amazing in first person that I kind of, I've enjoyed that so far, but anyway, more to come on that. I'm streaming it next Tuesday at noon Eastern, uh, right here on this Twitch channel, so you could watch it there. Uh, we're going to keep, we're going to keep it going.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Somebody mentioned in chat, they said, uh, I am dude. 36 said, I call it hit stopping. And it's a great feature. This sort of like, there's a split second. I can, it's hard to describe. It's like a couple of frames. Every time you make contact, it's very satisfying. It makes you want to hit things more. It's really fun.
Starting point is 01:13:38 Um, we also amazing. We should start a recurring segment, which is what game will get Jared back to video games? And that is a, that is a huge contender because the, I mean, Skyrim, Skyrim is a non-controversial favorite game of all time. It's my favorite game of all time. So you gotta check this out. Yeah. Anything that, and then fallout, the fallout series is right below Skyrim. I mean, so yeah, wow. Well, well. Oh no, start going down that road.
Starting point is 01:14:10 I don't know. Yeah, yeah, there's lots of really cool stuff. And one of the things I really liked about it before I move on real quick is how easily and quickly they give you access to a bow, a sword, and a magic spell book. And you can do all of them right away and can kind of decide how you want to do combat. You know, you can mix and match. You can very easily switch in combat, shoot a bow, and one second later smash something
Starting point is 01:14:37 with a mace. You don't have to pause, switch your weapon. Like they have it all. Yeah, it's very interesting. It's cool. It's very fun. That's cool. All right. Also, there's very interesting. It's very fun. That's cool. Um, um,
Starting point is 01:14:45 all right. Also there's a Civ seven came out. Civilization seven, Sid Meyers, civilization seven just dropped. I think it dropped last month. Um, I have not played, but I have played, uh, the previous, uh, four civilizations. This has been a game I've played throughout my life. I absolutely love civilization because I like, I think you Joe am a big history dork. I love, I love history. I particularly love ancient history, medieval history. Um, and you get a lot of that. That's a lot of the gameplay in all of the civilization games. So Civ seven is now out.
Starting point is 01:15:27 I looked at some of the reviews. I looked at like a, a tutorial that shows you how to start it off. And I talked to our good buddy, Brian Baldinger, who has played, you know, 20 hours of it and listen, the first thing to say about civilization before you rush out and buy it is that civilization is never the, the release of a civilization game is never really finished until you get like three or four expansions to add onto it. So some people are saying, wait till they get a couple expansions because a couple things feel a little underdone still. Um, and have
Starting point is 01:16:08 you played any civilization Joe? Yes. And I absolutely love it. Okay. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I haven't played seven. I'm saying in the past I've played a couple civilizations. You played the older one. Okay. It was civilization four. That was my height. Like I played a hundred, a couple hundred hours of that game and Absolutely loved it. I yeah history buff love all that shit But yeah, I saw this kind of released to some mixed reviews But I didn't overthink it any video game release right at release. You never really know so well Yeah, maybe maybe if you're someone who likes for it to be really robust you wait for expansions. There's also a controversial possibly controversial change someone who likes for it to be really robust. You wait for expansions. There's also a controversial,
Starting point is 01:16:52 possibly controversial change in this civilization that of course the makers are sort of putting out there as a feature, which is you can now have your leader, your leader, your civilizations leader like say Gandhi or Benjamin Franklin or, uh, Queen Isabella is now separate from the civilization you're leading. So you could have Benjamin Franklin leading the Egyptians or Queen Isabella leading the Mongols. Now I think that one of the reasons they're doing this is to sort of, um, it's to sort of get rid of
Starting point is 01:17:25 like how stereotypes have played into previous civilization games. If you're fighting the Mongols with the leader Genghis Khan, you're like, Oh, these guys are going to be really aggressive and use cavalry. Right. But, uh, saying that the Mongols are really aggressive is potentially problematic in some ways from one point of view. So now they're saying, Hey, Queen Isabella is leading the Mongols.
Starting point is 01:17:52 So it's a mix of different strategies and tendencies. And when the CPU is controlling, controlling her and controlling that civilization, I don't know. Some people, some people are not a fan of that. Some people claim it makes it like a little confusing. Like, you know, part of the fun of the strategy of Civ is like saying, Oh, I'm dealing with England right now and Queen Elizabeth. I shouldn't try to take them on on the water because they have an incredible Navy, you know, being able to make some inferences based on who you're dealing with. So that's something that's coming up for civilization seven.
Starting point is 01:18:36 And that's something to consider if you're thinking about if you're thinking about playing it. And also the game is now divided into three ages, antiquity, age of exploration and modern and your civilization can change or does change when you get to those ages. So this is another thing that doesn't sound awesome to me, Joe. In antiquity, you play the Romans or the Greeks or the Babylonians, but then when you get to age of exploration, you have to change it to like... One of the things, correct me if I'm wrong about this. Sorry, I'm interrupting you, but I think what you're gonna say
Starting point is 01:19:12 is you have to change it to like, you have to be Spanish. The Normans. Yeah, the Spanish, exactly, yeah. So when I, one of the things I loved about civilization was changing history. Right? Like, isn't, like, you take a civilization that had previously died out and you see what happens potentially if the Babylonians have tanks. Right?
Starting point is 01:19:36 Like, it isn't this like, like the development of the older games could get into that area. And I thought that that was fun. I don't know. They, I guess they're, they're kind of trying to deal with some of the A herist, her historicity. Ooh, historicity. Historicity. Hello. Points for me.
Starting point is 01:19:53 The, the anti-historicity of George Washington in like a Civ six game, George Washington founding Washington DC in the stone age, you know, like that, does that fully make sense? What does that mean? You know, I'm with you, like the Greeks surviving like Athens culture, classical Greek culture, surviving into the modern age and having fighter planes. That's cool. Alternate history, but this sort of like, but it doesn't really work in reverse. It doesn moving into work in reverse.
Starting point is 01:20:25 It doesn't really work in reverse. Yeah, that is interesting. Because then you'd have to say like, okay, so it always has to be that, you know, the Egyptians and the Babylonians and whoever else, you know, the Persians, right? Are like they last into the modern era in a much different way. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either. Interesting problem to face as, as a game designer.
Starting point is 01:20:51 I think that that's why, you know, there are so many fantasy versions of this now. Yes. Yep. Because you can just define the different ancestries and histories as you want. And everything's open and nobody has any pre disposed, whatever. One of the mechanics I loved about SIVA and then we'll move on real quick is like, I loved that you did, that you could win the game without really having an army,
Starting point is 01:21:17 that you didn't have to do violence as a method, but that cultural is spreading is, is, was a mechanic. It was an interesting way to influence, uh, your border territories. And so I wonder how that mechanic combines in like, like, how do you define culture when you have Queen Isabella running the Mongols, right? Like, uh, it's, I don't know, there's, there's interesting, um, so according to, according to some of the videos I watched and some of the reviews that are coming in,
Starting point is 01:21:49 that cultural victory kind of condition has been somewhat simplified and nerfed in Civ seven. And generally, I mean, and again, this is me reading three reviews or whatever, but generally they say that the game has in many ways been streamlined, but that also means simplified and some things have been nerfed over the way they were in Civ six. So I'll be honest with you. sounding great to me, but maybe I'm only getting one side of it. I plan to go over to my buddy Brian's house and watch him play a little bit and then decide how I feel about it.
Starting point is 01:22:30 Let's get a couple more things. This will be the video game that gets me back into games. What about a valid may be moving on from video games this week. Also, unless I'm mistaken, is the official drop date of the new D and D five E monster manual. unless I'm mistaken, is the official drop date of the new D&D 5e Monster Manual. Yes, and I think we'll talk about that in depth soon, right? Yeah, I think maybe even next week. We'll spend a little time talking
Starting point is 01:22:53 about the new Monster Manual, have a chance to look it over, and we'll bring your thoughts on it to the show next week. And yeah, let's move on from that. We could deep dive into that next week. One other thing I wanted to mention for those of you out there that are Jack Reacher fans, Jack Reacher, the new season releases tomorrow, starting tomorrow, I have not watched the series.
Starting point is 01:23:15 Jared, you made a note. We have kind of a shared document where you just jot down sort of notes on release dates of major films or TV shows or books or whatever. And you had it on that list. It just made me think of one thing, which I wanted to met. So have you seen season one of Jack Reacher in season two?
Starting point is 01:23:31 I have not watched the show. I've read one of the novels. Okay. So I have, I w I tried watching the movie and I tried reading the book and I couldn't really get into it. Um, but I hear the show, the TV show is great. And, um, a buddy of mine, uh, David, the woodman is great. And a buddy of mine, David the Woodman Woody, who some of you may know from the Degenerate Dungeon
Starting point is 01:23:50 here on the Glass Cannon Network, the guy who coined the phrase, we're having a good time or we're having fun. He, when I asked him, he said, you gotta check out Jack Reacher, it's surprisingly good, the first season of the TV show. And I asked him to kind of explain, like, you know, what makes it so good. check out Jack Reacher. It's surprisingly good, the first season of the TV show. And I asked him to kind of explain like, you know, what makes it so good. And he said, well,
Starting point is 01:24:08 Joe, let me put it to you like this. Every piece of art asks a question. The question that the TV show Jack Reacher asks is, what if a man was large? He just put a simply left it out there and he was like, you got to check out the show. So I don't know, maybe I'll check it out. One of these days, McD swears by it. He says the first season is really good of the TV show. And so I don't know, I'm curious, but you know, maybe we could take some calls on Jack Reacher in the coming weeks if people are into it and want to talk about the new season. Um, absolutely. I mean, Hey, look, a, uh, a white night, seven foot tall, former special forces, bad-ass wandering from Southern town to Southern town, writing wrongs.
Starting point is 01:25:07 Some things are just good on paper. So, you know, some things are just good. All right, let's, let's get to the next thing here. Joe, okay. So you are going to build a new pathfinder character. You've chosen a fighter class. That's right. That's our next topic. Why are you, what is this character for?
Starting point is 01:25:26 What game? Okay, so this is for our new live series, our new live show, which I'm leaving for tomorrow. So in two days, I have to play this character and I have not built this character yet. Okay. Now the reason is I held it off for this show because I want some insight.
Starting point is 01:25:40 As I started diving in, I knew I wanted to play a fighter and I knew that, uh, I, based on the way we did party roles, that I was not going to be responsible for tanking. Matthew is going to be playing a champion that is a shield focused champion and will be the quote unquote tank. I may have some more striker, uh, responsibilities. I need to be able to put out some damage and also maybe have some skills that'll go beyond just athletics. So, I don't know, we'll see.
Starting point is 01:26:15 We're going to kind of develop it as we go here, but we released our Ascension character creation episode last Friday. So if you've checked that out, you've already seen some of my concepts already. And these are the concepts that are already set for this character. This character is an elf, a regular elf. So we're not really going right out of the gate optimizing for a fighter.
Starting point is 01:26:41 We're not going orc or a human or anything like that to optimize for fighter. I'm going elf for various story reasons that we'll get to once you see the first episode of the live show, but there is one added layer to that, which is I'm playing an ancient elf ancestry, which gives me access to an additional dedication. I am totally up for ideas in what that additional dedication could be. And then I can reverse engineer it maybe into story if we find something that's really good, but it's going to be an old elf that is a young fighter, so to speak. So fourth level, let's get right into it, Jared. Um, you know, as we already said, we're kind of falling behind here on time. So I'm going to cut to a hero lab online here, which I'm using to create the character.
Starting point is 01:27:27 And I've done a lot of these things already. Uh, ancestry, elf, you know, uh, background. The, uh, the starting dedication I picked is craft alchemy, uh, because I kind of had an idea, like, what if he was kind of like a witcher, right? Like I thought that could kind of be a fun concept, but I haven't really delved into it. Happy for you guys to throw out other options in the dedication field. Main thing I want to talk about here is feats and particularly, I'm sorry, fighter feats, class feats. Class feats for a fighter, man, there's so many options and they all seem so good.
Starting point is 01:28:04 And so I would love to hear from callers, I'd love to hear from you guys what you think. Jared, you've had a chance to look at some of these and I can say right now at level one, I feel like I kind of want to narrow it down to, and I could be talked out of this, a sudden charge, which is for two actions, you can stride twice and make a strike. I think that that's great for battlefield movement. I feel that that is great. That's something that nobody else in the party is going to be able to do, so that's an interesting thing. And then the other one I'm looking at is combat assessment. You make a telegraphed attack to learn about your foe, make a melee strike,
Starting point is 01:28:41 and on a hit, you can immediately attempt to recall knowledge on the target. You get a bonus to that check if you crit. The reason this is in my realm here is because I am an elf and therefore I have an innate intelligence bonus that came with the character and I spent an extra point on it. So these are my current layout of my abilities. You can see a plus four to strength, but also a plus two to intelligence. So kind of more an intelligent fighter, not so much a high constitution fighter. All right. So I'm just going to throw that out there to start. And Jared, let me get your thoughts, initial thoughts on those first level fighter feats.
Starting point is 01:29:21 And then I'm going to take a caller and see if they have any opinions on this. first level fighter feats and then I'm going to take a caller and see if they have any opinions on this. Well here, here's my first question for you and what weapon are we going with here? What weapon configuration? No shield I hear cause Matthew's doing that. So right now, did I do weapon? Yeah, right now I have, uh, uh, no, I don't, I don't have my weapon yet. Let me tell you, let me tell you what I think you should do. I already have the weapon picked.
Starting point is 01:29:48 One, uh, a weapon. Oh, what is the weapon? The weapon, the prime, his primary weapon is going to be a Hall bird. So it is going to be two handed. I don't think you should do that. Okay. I don't think you should do that. Here's why I think that like, uh, there's way better feats for like a, uh, a one to two handed versatile weapon
Starting point is 01:30:09 for this guy. I I'm hearing that this guy is also part alchemist. He's like grabbing things off his hip and throwing them. And I think that the, the pole arm feats that are coming up here in the first four levels for you are not, not excellence. Um, whereas I see, I see stuff that would work with polearm, but I also see like stuff that like, I think is really good. If you have like one, one hand free, um, uh, for example, at first level, okay.
Starting point is 01:30:40 At first level, just to answer your question about first level, I think sudden charge is the best one, which would work with a pole arm, um, because you get a free move and something that fighters I think, or anybody in a combat situation in Pathfinder is always dealing with is the distance of the enemies away from you. And if you're a melee fighter, you've got to close that as quickly as possible. So sudden charge gives you a great first turn move every time. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:10 Stride twice and attack, but I also like snagging strike. Um, cause it makes the enemy off guard and it requires a free hand. I also like that. I also like vicious swing, uh, which gives you an extra damage die. So Vicious Swing is essentially power attack. It's power attack. Something about Vicious Swing, I don't know, this is what I wanna take calls on
Starting point is 01:31:35 is to see is this a no brainer or is the fact that you're using two actions, so basically you're just, you're doing one attack in a round, but you're just getting the extra damage die. Yes, that's at your top bonus, which is huge. So does that make it the reason that you, is Vicious Swing an absolute no brainer
Starting point is 01:31:58 compared to Sudden Charge? I don't think so. Is Combat Assessment not even worth discussing? Combat Assessment is basically giving you a free recall knowledge, right? You don't have to spend an action for it. Yeah, but it has to hit doesn't it? It does it does have that's what I don't like about it. Okay, you have to hit in order to get your free thing Let's get let's get some colors here. Nick Nick Aka the something. It's all right. I lost sight of your name as soon as get some callers here Nick Nick aka the something
Starting point is 01:32:25 It's all right lost sight of your name as soon as I invited you up here Nick did you see the invite if you'd like to come up in and and weigh in on this you're welcome to if we don't Hear from you. We'll we'll just move on pretty quick here Yeah, let's let's just let's do Yeah, let's, let's just, uh, let's see. Do, do, do, do. Yeah, let's do McKenna. Uh, McKenna, you there? Come on guys.
Starting point is 01:32:56 Got to pay attention to your John Jamses. Hey McKenna! There's McKenna. Hey, how's it going dad? It's going great. How you doing? I'm doing well. So, uh, the main thing I wanted to say is combat assessment, I think is a really cool feat. Okay. Except that you have, uh, you know, one of the worst GMs in terms of letting you get any of those sorts of advantages.
Starting point is 01:33:21 And especially if he's home brewing this, you're never going to get any advantage off of getting any of those identifying your creatures. So I would not recommend that one. That's interesting. It is important that you know who you're playing the game with and the setting and everything like that, how much value you'll get out of it. And absolutely. I think the vicious swing is pretty radical. I Do like whatever that charge one you have is yes charge you like that I? That would be the one that I would pick it's it's It'll be nice especially with how after watching your session zero Which was a lot of fun to see you guys kind of figure that out. It'll be good for you know
Starting point is 01:34:04 Having a good start to the battlefield control for you to be able to like move in and kind of set the set the scene however you would like to. Yeah, that'd be the one I'd recommend. Yeah. Also disengaging to use a five V term and moving to another, you know, another enemy that might be hounding the caster or something like that. Like it really gives you a lot of options in combat. It really does. Um, that's, that's all I really had to say other than insomnia, insomnia and Northern exposure for snow movie slash us insomnia. What a fantastic suggestion. That's a good one. Thank you, McKenna. Yeah. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:34:45 If you guys want to throw out a snowy weather movie. Another one that was mentioned in chat that I did not even have in my honorable mentions was The Grey. I've never seen The Grey. Yeah, I haven't either. Yeah. And people seem to really enjoy it. Sudden Charge is looking good here.
Starting point is 01:35:02 And here's what I like about Sudden Charge right now is like if I decide right now I'm really kind of intent on doing on two-handing and not having that freehand but the nice thing about a fighter is like you can kind of do both right so like having a a feat that you benefit from when you have a weapon in one hand and a freehand doesn't mean you can never use a Hall bird, right? Like also, I should say one of the reasons behind the Hall bird is that this character is going to be a guard, kind of like a town guard kind of guy. And I just pictured this like standing at post sort of the classic Skyrim character, right? Standing there with just like a tall pole arm weapon
Starting point is 01:35:50 Outside of a door and being like I'm gonna play that guy as a PC. Let's see how that let's see how that works For now, let's move on to a second level feat Not a hundred percent gonna take sudden charge, but I like it right now. It's the leader in the clubhouse Let's look at second level. I was really I mean, this is where things get very interesting. Um, lunge seems interesting, you know, with the added reach, uh, you also have intimidating strike, but not really, I'm not really high in charisma. Um, and then obviously combat grab is something that would benefit you a lot more if you have a free hand. Yeah. I mean, the, the one I liked here, uh, dueling Perry, uh, which just ups
Starting point is 01:36:32 your AC requires a free, you need a one-handed melee weapon, so that's no good for you. Um, that is no good for me. I don't love a lot of the second. I don't love a lot of the second level options don't love a lot of the second level options. Yeah, they don't really jump out. Yeah, lunge is maybe the best for you because imagine you already have reach with your halberd
Starting point is 01:36:54 and then to get even more reach is kind of amazing. Yeah. Okay, so sleek reposition. This is something that I wrote off at first because it said, make a melee strike with a finesse weapon, but it also says, or a polearm. So this is not for anybody that's wielding regular swords, right? If you hit a target that is your size or smaller, you can
Starting point is 01:37:19 automatically reposition it. Uh, if you use the weapon with reach, use your weapon's reach for this reposition. And even on a fail, the target becomes off guard until the end of your current turn. That's kind of interesting, giving you an AC debuff to them for your multi-attack penalty. Oh, Suburbanite, I'm going to bring you up to the stage here in. Oh, Suburbanite, I'm gonna bring you up to the stage here in a second. Suburbanite pointed out something interesting about intimidating strikes, Suburbanite.
Starting point is 01:37:52 Oh wait, Nick's here, hold on Suburbanite, just give us a second. I'm gonna bring you back up in a heartbeat. Nick, can you hear us? Yeah, can you hear me? There we are, how are you Nick? Oh, you're bailing the bard, what's going on? Sorry, I didn't see the AQA.
Starting point is 01:38:04 Hey, hey, hey, no worries. All good Um, your thoughts on some of these feats? Well, first off just if this happened like if you just call me up again I finally figured out with my accessibility stuff where where it asks me to Accept that so it shouldn't take me a million years to do it in the future. But understood. Yeah, I didn't know who it was Gotcha. So the hard thing the hard thing in general with fighter is like fighter is awesome because you can do anything but like you kind of It's it's easier to get started if you pick what's the most important thing
Starting point is 01:38:40 For you right now. Like is it most important for you to get? for you right now? Like is it most important for you to get get up in the fight as fast as possible? Is it most important for you to maximize the amount of damage you're doing when you get there? Or is it more important for you to like debuff the enemies and like yeah, it's a good question. I would say friends lives easier. I would venture to say if you are if You have a tank which it seems that we do we have someone who's building a champion tank in the party then maybe You don't necessarily want sudden charge for that purpose of getting into the fight first You may want to wait until the tank has aggro, so to speak,
Starting point is 01:39:26 quote unquote, and then come in from behind and lay out a vicious swing, right? If your responsibility is to put out the most melee damage as possible, maybe it is vicious swing. I don't know. But yeah, you're right that we have to think a little bit more about the roles here. Yep.
Starting point is 01:39:42 Cause I agree. I agree with a lot of Jared's sort of recommendations. My favorite fighter build is the one with a one handed weapon and a free hand to like. Interesting. I didn't think about this beforehand. Because a lot of it is combining strikes with grapples and trips. But then with the the two handed weapon is great, because like you can either spec for a shitload of damage or intimidating strike, which doesn't require charisma. It's just if you hit the targets frightened.
Starting point is 01:40:12 Yeah. So I remember really liking that. So for some reason I thought that I'd have to roll. I'd get a free demoralized role, but that is not what it is. It is a free frightened one. That's huge. Yeah. Intimidating strike is great. And it's also like, it's. It is a free frightened one. That's huge. Yeah, intimidating strike is great.
Starting point is 01:40:25 And it's also like it's not like the demoralize action. The target is not immune to it after you use it. I don't believe I've been a while since I read it. But the other thing is that I also I do kind of think that a lot of the two handed weapon feats aren't necessarily great for your party comp because a lot of them are like shoving and repositioning. Tripping is always great, a lot of some of the later level ones that you knock people prone, but like the great thing about some two weapon feats or polearm feats is that you can reposition enemies like into this. So like if you had a rogue that you wanted to put someone in a flank with, um, that's not huge for you, but like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna,
Starting point is 01:41:12 and I'm just gonna jump in here too. I personally, thank you for the points Baylor. We're going to get to second. Thanks Nick. I never like repositioning stuff. I don't see like, I I've never seen a party, at least in my limited experience with pathfinder, which is some oney and then all of blood of the wild. I've never seen positioning become a huge problem for everybody. Like where you guys are like, I can't get the flank. Like, um, so all of that repositioning stuff. And I mean that in five E two, there's
Starting point is 01:41:45 stuff that does repositioning, moving bad guys. I don't, I don't disagree with you. Um, at first, however, like I do think we benefited from it more with a rogue, but we all know that flanking and positioning is so important in two E getting an enemy off guard, the ACs are higher. It just makes such a huge difference. And what you're doing with something like a repositioning or a sleek reposition is you're
Starting point is 01:42:16 saving your ally an action. And that could be huge because sometimes it's just all you need is a five foot step to get into flank. You just need to step. Sure. Easy. But it takes an action and the action economy is just something that is nice to whenever you can get a free one in it's huge. That's why I also kind of liked a combat assessment because you get that free check. However, as was pointed out, you know, maybe while Troy has been better lately. It's not a free check.
Starting point is 01:42:46 You have to hit. You do have to hit. So it's not free. No, it is not free. And as we all know, Joe, you miss a lot. That is true. Suburbanite, get up here and get your thoughts in here. Thank you for pointing out that intimidating strike does not require charisma.
Starting point is 01:43:04 You mentioned that in chat. What else do you have to say on this? Yeah, thanks for having in here. Thank you for pointing out that intimidating strike does not require charisma. You mentioned that in chat. What else do you have to say on this? Yeah, thanks for having me here. Our pleasure. Yeah. Essentially, sorry, I'm a little scattered. I am a huge fan also of the freehand fighter. I think that the intimidating strike is absolutely one of the best fighter feats free frightened And remember this is from a from a character that has plus two to hit above and beyond anyone else right with with the way that fighters Proficiencies work with weapons. Yeah, you are going to hit more than anyone Well, maybe not you but fighters in general are going to hit more than anyone else. One will hit more often than, yes.
Starting point is 01:43:45 Yes, exactly. So combine that with other things like snagging strike, putting people off guard. I don't know if Skid is planning on playing, for example, a ranged rogue, for example, but you being able to put someone off guard to have an archer get sneak attack damage is huge. I also think that sudden charge, as other people have already said, that's going to pull you out of your champion's aura. It's going to put you possibly up front by yourself getting pounded on, depending on
Starting point is 01:44:20 how initiative looks. That's a good point. So that is, I've seen too many of my players in my home game, you know, charge out in front and then end up getting just curb stomped in encounters. It can be really useful for the action compression, but I'm a huge proponent of the one hand free fighter as well with all of the different debuffs you can apply, which then, you know, again, will help your party hit more, help your party crit more, and help you hit and crit more on your second and third attacks.
Starting point is 01:44:51 All right. Interesting. Thanks. Thanks for the call, Suburbanite. We're missing one component here, Joe. Yeah. Which is, and I think people need to acknowledge that this is important. Did you have a cool image of an elf with a halberd? Yes. Then you should be an elf with a halberd. No, I know.
Starting point is 01:45:11 I know that that is what it's gonna be, but it's interesting to hear like, because also you can retrain, right? Like if this is how the character starts, doesn't mean that's how they always have to be. And it's interesting to think, and one of the things I love about fighter and one of the things that I plan on leaning into is using that interact
Starting point is 01:45:29 action they give you to swap. Like, I love the idea of getting into a situation where I'm like, you know what? I got to swap to like a mace and a free hand. And, you know, I don't mind necessarily spending a feat on something. I like the idea of spending on a feet that is, doesn't matter what is in your hands.
Starting point is 01:45:49 Vicious swing, intimidating strike, sudden charge. None of these so far matter what's in your hand. And you can kind of play both ways. Now, obviously getting a snagging strike, you have to have that free hand. Getting a sleek, not a sleek reposition. I can't remember what the other one was. Maybe it's brutish shove or, oh no, that's two-handed. That's the brutish shove. But, but, but you know, what I would say is like the concept for your
Starting point is 01:46:16 character is super important. So it sounds like you're a smart fighter. You're, you're not someone who does brutish shoves, right? That's not the character. Your character is doing smart things. Maybe your character doesn't swing viciously. These things actually do matter, like the vibe and the theme of the character. So maybe you do take things that seem smart and like a strategic sort of calculating fighter, in which case at fourth level, instead of slam down, which
Starting point is 01:46:51 is arguably the most effective feat in that list, yes, agreed. Instead of slam down, which seems like a guy that would do brutal shove, you do something like quick reversal. I'm not sure if quick reversal requires you to not be holding a two handed weapon. I don't know if it requires you just to be flanked. You have to mean this is like a thing that a smart character would do right? Like yeah, even when you're up against two guys, you're this elf who's like moving their halberd like like so fast spinning it and stuff. And you're able to attack two guys at once. Like that makes sense to me. And it's a more elegant type fighter.
Starting point is 01:47:33 Make a, okay. So let's talk about quick reversal. You're, you turn your foes flanking against them with a quick reverse, make a melee strike against one of the flanking enemies and make a second strike With the same weapon or unarmed attack against a different enemy that is flanking you This second strike has the same map as the initial attack and doesn't count towards your map Insane Joe because it's one action So you get to reason it's not a tax for one action. The reason it's not insane is because it has the press trait. This is what I delved into. So the press trait, if I'm not mistaken,
Starting point is 01:48:09 means you can only use this for your second attack or third attack. So you're already at a minus five. That's why this isn't insane, but it's still very good. Yes, you're right. You're right. And I did not. Man, those little key, those little tags, they always fuck me, Joe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:32 They do make it a little bit tricky. You gotta read those tags. I do agree that like so many things you do, it doesn't matter if you're a caster, fighter, especially if you're a GM, like every single thing you look at, don't start reading the description first. Start by reading the tags. That's why they're highlighted and in front of everything. Read those first.
Starting point is 01:48:53 Mint might have something to say here. Mint from Discord may want to chime in. Mint, if you want to come in and say something here. Yeah, I don't know. To me, hey, Mint, how's it going? Good. How are you guys? We are fantastic. Thanks for calling in. Thanks for listening to the show. Appreciate it. Of course. So I have played a dual weapon wielding fighter, very similar to what Matthew
Starting point is 01:49:19 has had in Strange Aeons. And those, a lot of that juicy stuff comes from dedications or the archetypes. And I think that's probably what you should be looking at for fighter, because a lot of the feats, they're pretty basic. You can make something if you're just looking at fighter feats, but if you're looking, if you broaden your horizons rather, to look at those, I was just
Starting point is 01:49:47 scrolling through the list when you mentioned, you know, wanting to do a Hellbird, wanting to do the two-handed on a weapon thing. The Mauler dedication is right there, right. In the name, it's Mauler, sure it sounds brutish if that's not what you're going for, but like, right. And it, but it has things that like right off the bat at second level, you're going to be getting critical specialization with your weapon. Normally you wouldn't get that until five at the earliest as the fighter. And it's got your things like slam down, vicious swing that like you could pick up with the dedication or you could pick up something else earlier. So like it's got that going for it.
Starting point is 01:50:27 Or maybe there's another one that you would say, are you playing, are you playing with free archetype? No. Yeah. I don't like, can I, can I, I'm going to weigh in here. This is controversial. I don't like free archetype. Well, it's because you're a GM. No, it's not because I'm a GM. That's what everybody always says. It's because everybody's like, well, default, I should get an extra thing. And it's like, no, try to make, try to make a fighter based on the fighter class.
Starting point is 01:50:58 Like that class is complete in and of itself. I think that the archetype, the free archetype should maybe be used if you're like, this is a campaign with tons of castle intrigue. That way you can be a fighter who can also do castle intrigue or this is a campaign that is total wilderness survival. Then you take an archetype that helps your alchemist with wilderness survival. But this thing where everybody just gets an archetype all the time so that they have like a boosted superhero character. Not a fan.
Starting point is 01:51:42 Interesting, interesting. That's fair. It's also funny considering that you have another GM rant coming at the end of this episode. Jared's angry about a lot of things. Two for one. No, but that does, it makes sense, I hear you. Mint, anything else here on, any other suggested dedications? Yeah, I don't think Mauler fits the character, but I appreciate the idea of getting that crit specialization, uh, before fifth level.
Starting point is 01:52:07 That's kind of cool. Uh, were there any others that jumped out to you that I should consider here at second level for the second level? Almost certain. Troy would not go for it given that it is from the extinction curse adventure path. Oh yeah. Acrobat dedication is hilarious because you can do it with a spear or a polearm, a staff, bow staff or whatever.
Starting point is 01:52:30 And it's, it's deck-spaced instead of more so strength. And you get to do some silly jumping around with a staff with your polearm. It could be the, the live elf doing flips over people. Nice. With a halberd. Yeah. I like the idea. Thanks. And thanks for the call, man. Yeah, that is not possible. Troy was very clear on this one. And this, I appreciated this new homebrew that we're doing.
Starting point is 01:52:57 John, I think you're going to like this, this new homebrew that we're doing. The rules that are set are it has to be player core one, player core two. That's it. So it has to be remastered and all feats and abilities and equipment and everything has to come from the core game as it exists right now. Yep. I love it. And already I'm getting a lot of people in the chat going, but free archetype is so great. Stand down, Nesh. You're wrong. It's, it's, it, you don't need all this extra stuff. You, it, it, it, I know you want it, but like it, to me, it, it is OP.
Starting point is 01:53:36 It is absolutely OP to get a free extra class, basically at the beginning of the game, that's, that is absolutely OP. extra class basically at the beginning of the game. That's, that is absolutely OP. So one of the things I don't like about quick reversal is that it feels situational, right? That's the first sort of reaction to it. However, I think about blood of the wild and AWOL who is not a tank, but who is always in melee cause he's a two handed Ranger, two weapon Ranger. who is always in melee because he's a two handed ranger, two weapon ranger. Right. He gets flanked all the time.
Starting point is 01:54:09 Right. Like, don't you feel that like he's, you're always flanking him with. Right. Absolutely. And that's, and that's what Troy is going to do too. He's going to bring those melee monsters and he's going to flank you. Yeah. It is interesting.
Starting point is 01:54:20 It might come up more often than, than you think at, uh, at first, at first glance, um, Harry and then negative five. It might come up more often than you think at first glance. Harry, come on up here. And then negative five is you're going to take that second attack anyway, Joe. You take that second attack all the time. Right, so you might as well get to do it twice instead of just once. Harry, can you hear us? Yes, I can. Can you hear me?
Starting point is 01:54:41 We can. How's it going, Harry? Wonderful. It's going great. Got any thoughts here on a fighter build? So many. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about these fourth level feats. I don't think we've had anybody weigh in yet on fourth level. Slam down Swipe is that something that's even feasible? Yeah, go ahead. Oh, that's like, that's what you would call it. What's swipe is? Swipe looks very good to start
Starting point is 01:55:10 and then has that little catch at the end. Which is- If you're using a weapon with the sweep, oh, sorry, a swipe counts as two attacks for your map. Yeah, so you, well, it's not that, it's that you attack two people, but they have to be adjacent to each other. Ah. So it's good to get two attacks for free or you're full of bonus, but they they have to be adjacent to each other. Ah, so it's good to get two attacks for free or you're full of bonus, but they
Starting point is 01:55:28 do have to be chasing each other. They have a limit. It's, it's cleave. I think the thing you really need to- It's remastered to cleave. Yeah. Yeah. Cause like, love the idea of the Halberd.
Starting point is 01:55:35 It's great. The thing you've got to really think about with Halberd is benefiting from that reach. Right. Cause that's the, that's the bonus. And if you're going for like the, the old Elven, like, tactical minded thing, the big major benefits of that is the battlefield control. If anybody tries to approach you, just walking up to you, you get that free attack opportunity
Starting point is 01:55:54 and potentially getting that massive strike in, you can knock them prone from reach as well, which is what slam down is great for. Slam down, the description is you're smacking someone down to the bottom. But it could also be just you nimbly tripping somebody up. That's what you're, you're just swiping out from under their legs and dropping them down. And if you can do that from reach, then you can keep them there.
Starting point is 01:56:14 Then they have to stand up and you get a type of opportunity. And then they have to move towards you. And at later levels, you can have another type of opportunity and hit them again. So that's a way to boost damage whilst doing battlefield control and keeping that control on everybody Harry you're getting me fired up. Let's talk about
Starting point is 01:56:29 Dedications here as an ancient elf. Yes, I have an experience in my previous life And I love this idea the character concept. I'm very excited about I don't want to go into too much detail I mentioned it in the character creation session the session zero we just recorded or we just released. I mentioned what the kind of concept is, Jared, but it's basically that this guy has been around for over a hundred years and has always been raised and lived around humans and has had an entire human family that he like raised to adulthood and they are no longer with us and we don't know why. Right. And he's now starting a new family. So like this is the kind of the concept. And what
Starting point is 01:57:10 I want is his previous life to be something different, right? So like he just now started to train to be a fighter. Previously, he was something else. Current idea that seems to fit well with optimizing is alchemy. I think that that's fun, right? Could have been some sort of an alchemist. But is there anything out there, Harry, that you think like what would synergize well with a fighter? Does getting a sorcerer dedication do anything for a fighter or does it just suck? Do you have any opinions on this? No, absolutely. So I think a great thing you can do with this like free dedication. So you're going with sort of intelligence focused character. Yeah, he's got a fighter.
Starting point is 01:57:50 He's got plus two to intelligence, which I think is it's, that's kind of rare. So I'd like to lean on that a little bit. And so the, the, the player core options that are kind of opening up to you is like alchemist, a barbarian investigator, magus, witch and wizard. I thought about investigator. Yep, investigator is interesting. Investigator for like a open-ended campaign like Joy's doing here could be really, really good. Cause investigator can be hard in like a pre-written
Starting point is 01:58:16 campaign cause you're kind of like expected to go to certain places. You know, you're just, it's a rail you're going to go on, but investigator in more of a open campaign could be very useful. Yeah. So here's the thing, leaning on the Troy thing, I'm not huge into the pursue a lead activity because I think that that might get a little bit murky. However, if, you know, Troy will work with you to make your abilities work for sure. And so if I can get that to work, that would be pretty
Starting point is 01:58:42 awesome. But Jared, what's neat about this is A, you become trained in society for free, which is great for a human based campaign, which is what this is going to be. And, um, you, uh, I guess that's the main thing is you're trained. You don't get trained in an additional skill only if you are already trained in society. So yeah, getting trained in society is very cool. What I like about it is you have a prereq of intelligence plus two. So a lot of fighters can't even take this dedication. So that's neat.
Starting point is 01:59:08 What was the other one you said you said? What is this dedication I was arguing with people in chat? It was investigator dedication, investigate. But is he an investigator? Nothing you've said about this guy since the college? He could have been like a, that kind of thing. Not a fighter, not a, like a, uh, uh, you know, that kind of thing, not a fighter, not a brutish fighter, but more of a, you know, a thoughtful sort of, um, yeah, anyway, it could go in
Starting point is 01:59:31 a couple. I like, I like dedications later in a character. I think that that's really interesting. If you play the character for a while and then you're like, well, you know, this and such and such has happened in his life during this campaign and now he's going this way. I know that's not the optimal time to take them. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, like to me, an investigator is like a full on detective. I don't know. I mean, well what about which I hadn't thought about this, but like the witcher, right? I said
Starting point is 02:00:02 that as part of the alchemy, but like this is it. I never even looked at this. It requires intelligence plus two. You have to have that. I can get some cantrips and I get a familiar. That's kind of cool. I mean, I don't know, man. I kind of like your halberd swinging hundred plus year old elf right now. I don't really see him spamming a lot of cantrips. I don't know. Yeah, but his, I don't see it. You've been in this world a hundred years,
Starting point is 02:00:30 glaring a hundred years, and you're not gonna dabble in a little bit of magic? Right. This is like a massive magic world. You've got a hundred years to just crack a book open and learn a couple cantrips. I mean, come on. Here's where I have a problem with the dedications.
Starting point is 02:00:43 Thank you so much. Great call. The problem with the dedications. Thank you so much. Great call. The problem with the dedications are like the mixing of the archetypes and stuff is in writing or creating stuff, you go, it's this, not this, right? You make choices. And I feel like these things are like, but what if it was both, you know?
Starting point is 02:01:03 And you kind of like, you kind of make it more amorphous and not as clear what the character is. I feel like people playing with you will be like, wait, what is this character? But they'll get it if you're just like, I'm an elf, I'm a guard with a halberd, and I'm smart and I kick ass with the halberd. Yeah, yeah, it's hard to argue with you, Jared.
Starting point is 02:01:25 You make a good point. As I'm right! Yeah, as I picture these things, it is nice to be able to have an elevator pitch about your character and not have to go into so many sentences just to describe basically what you're going for. You eventually have people being like, who is this person? You want that depth and nuance to come with time,
Starting point is 02:01:44 but you want to initially be able to have like, Oh, I know what this character is. This is a smart, crafty, hard hitting elf fighter. Uh, interesting. Let's go. Let's see where this goes. Um, all right, cool concept. We've run way over, so we have to move on. We have to move on and get it. Let's do, let's do our GCN news really quick. And if we have time, I'll do my rant. And if not, I can get to it next time. Guys, I just wanted to throw out some GCN news real quick. We were excited to get this in here, this app, because it was like, because it's, we
Starting point is 02:02:21 haven't really announced some of this stuff and it's been coming up in the background, bubbling up, and now it's upon us. And so I want to talk to everybody really quick about a new show that's going to be coming soon that is extending and bringing back an older show that we did a year ago, and that show is Pendragon. So in Pendragon as part of our Gen Con lineup last year, we ended up doing a few episodes of Pendragon with Brian Holland from Chaosium and after some time and some work together, we've been talking to Chaosium about this for a while, we are going to extend that story. So we are going to take those same characters that we created a year ago.
Starting point is 02:03:08 We are going to learn new mechanics from pen dragon of something called the winter phase and start to see what happens to these characters a year after the events that happened last summer, and then start some new adventures with those characters. Uh, as a result, we are going to re-air those initial episodes that played one year ago, and we're remastering them. So they're going to have a whole new look, different overlays, everything is going to be differently branded, and is going to come to you directly if you're a subscriber through a subscriber podcast feed.
Starting point is 02:03:42 So there's now going to be a Pendragon podcast that you can get through Supercast, download it directly to your mobile device, and those first episodes are going to start appearing next week. So next Wednesday, already next Wednesday, the 26th I believe it is, at 8 p.m. we're going to re-air Character Creation as a YouTube premiere. So if you didn't catch it the first time, this is an amazing time to watch it live with everybody and chat it up. If you did watch it last year and would love to relive it a little bit, you can come back and see us build these knights and then start going off on our first adventure. I'm so jealous.
Starting point is 02:04:22 I've been dying to play Pendragon. I've never played. It'm so jealous. I've been dying to play pen dragon. I've never played. It's so good. Every Wednesday, we're going to release this starting next week and all the way through into March and into April. You're going to get six new episodes, nine total episodes of this run. So starting next week, we re-air episodes one, two, and three. And then in week four, you're going to get the winter phase and new stories of these characters. And that's going to go through till episode nine. So six new episodes of Pendragon come into the GCN within the next four weeks. So very, very excited for that. Yeah, it's gonna be, the game is so good, dude.
Starting point is 02:05:05 It's so fun. I can't even really talk too much about specifically what happened in case people wanna watch for the first time, but some dramatic stuff happens. We'll have to see what happens to these characters after a year, and you can even die in the winter phase and stuff, it's crazy. So we'll see what happens there, and then, and then continue that story. That's kind of like a downtime mechanic, right? The winter phase. It's crazy. So we'll see what happens there. And then, uh, and then
Starting point is 02:05:25 it's kind of like a downtime mechanic, right? The way it is a downtime mechanic. You roll on tables. You could be like, uh, you had a run in with somebody at court. Like you were, you were like someone offended you at court or besmirched your family name and you have like a new enemy is added to your list and stuff. Dude, it also gets into nitty gritty that I don't think is gonna be part of the show, but that is so amazing. If it's the kind of thing you wanna get into, like the devaluing of your clothing and stuff.
Starting point is 02:05:57 Like the deterioration of your possessions if you don't pay certain upkeep things. And then there's like the income from your holdings and the characters, and the characters as a group can, as part of Winterphase events, like get holdings and then share the profits from holdings. I mean, it's this really cool concept. So anyway, new Pendragon is coming. As I said, we're, I'm leaving tomorrow for Dallas and the new live show is starting in Dallas
Starting point is 02:06:27 in two days. Episode one of Ascension, part one I should say of Ascension. Get excited for that. Here's one neat tidbit for those of you that are subscribers. For the first time ever, and we're going to attempt this, McD is listening in here and he knows, he's been working on this. He's been working so hard to make this happen. We're going to do our goddamn best to live stream the live show audio only
Starting point is 02:06:55 on Discord, live on Friday night. So if you are a Discord, if you're a subscriber to our Supercast and you are connected to the Discord, you can go to the live show channel in Discord on Friday night this week at, I believe it's seven o'clock Eastern, might be seven thirty, I'm sorry, seven o'clock Central, might be seven thirty Central and listen to the show live and chat with each other about it as it's happening live. So huge thank you McD. How are you feeling about this? Do you think, give us a percentage chance that this actually happens. That's 62%.
Starting point is 02:07:32 62%. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Over 50. Over 50. It's all about the WiFi at the venue. Right, so there's things that are out of our control. Everything that is within our control, the equipment and the plan to execute it, and McDermott has already tested it multiple times. This is going to work. If the internet at the venue will work. Now you don't need a
Starting point is 02:07:55 lot of bandwidth to live stream audio. That's what we're banking on. So hopefully we can get this to you guys. And it turns out to be as awesome as I, as I think it will be. Yeah. So there'll be an event created in the discord for each night. You know, so you'll just get the if you have alerts turned on, you'll get an alert. But yet seven thirty central eight thirty real time. Real time. Friday and then seven central eight. There you go. And if you're and if you are, for example, coming to the Austin show, you don't have to wait for the
Starting point is 02:08:28 Dallas audio if you want to hop in and just hear the beginning of the story so that you can be caught up right away before the next night. Also suburbanite asked, and I forgot to mention like an idiot, yes, we're continuing the same story with the same cast. Paul is back, Nora Ibrahim's back. Skid is back. For Pendragon. Brian Holland is back running it. Yes, for Pendragon. So yes, for Pendragon, we are the same cast. Everybody's coming back to reprise their role as their characters. So yeah, that's
Starting point is 02:08:54 going to be awesome. Anyway, that I think is it for, I just wanted to get those tid, those news bits out there right away for GCN news. Let me see if I, if I missed anything here. One second. No, that's it. Also, just to say real quick, we're streaming Ascension, I'm sorry, we're streaming Wildermyth next week and we have to do it at 4pm Eastern next Friday. So that's going to be really fun because we're going to do a happy hour stream. Sydney and I, Mary Lou and Paula. Oh, getting to the end of our first Wildermyth adventure next Friday, 4 PM Eastern, right here on Twitch. Tune in for that. That's next Friday. What a great crew. Yeah. What a great, I would listen to you guys play Parcheesi.
Starting point is 02:09:38 That campaign has been phenomenal, man. It's been so much fun. So many crazy things have happened to the characters. You've had character deaths. It's been really awesome. Anyway, tune in and check it out. All right. Sorry, Jared. I cut in way too much into your GM Fiat time. Not at all, not at all, Joe. Absolutely. No, you didn't.
Starting point is 02:09:54 Come on, we're way over. This show's going another hour. Listen, this is a little segment I like to call GM Fiat to close out the show. Yes. So as a forever GM, I I like to call GM Fiat to close out the show. So as a forever GM, I'd like to talk to you about one of the biggest challenges I face as a GM, the players.
Starting point is 02:10:22 As a game master, so true. I'm an auteur. I'm an auteur. As a game master, so true. I'm an auteur. I'm an auteur. I'm striving to create an emotional experience that will live forever in the imaginations of those involved. All right. A story that is lived rather than observed. This ambition of mine, Joe, is noble, but it's also tragic because even when I'm operating at the top of my abilities, there's always a player doing his best to make the whole thing feel like we're playing travel monopoly with some of the pieces missing. Today's GM Fiat is entitled, When Will the Healing Stop? Let me set a scene for you. Today's GM Fiat is entitled, when will the healing stop?
Starting point is 02:11:09 Let me set a scene for you. I'm playing a fantasy D20 game like five year pathfinder. My players have just finished an exciting combat. They've all survived. They're all still standing. And then I narrate having killed the last pirate. You are victorious. You're able to take control of their boat like you said you wanted to earlier.
Starting point is 02:11:27 And over the course of four days, you travel to the port of Krieg, where you meet your contact, Valmar, at a grimy tavern down by the docks. Valmar looks at you with a arched eyebrow and a crooked grin, and he looks over his mug of ale and he says, so you wish to know about the sunken aisle. I have information,
Starting point is 02:11:50 but it's going to cost you. And then one of my players responds, Hey, I lost 10 HP in that fight. Do I get that back now? Yes. Yes. You fucking get it back. You're at full HP. Obviously you're at full HP. I just narrated that four days have passed in the game world and every conceivable interpretation of the rules, your character would have regained those points. One of you is a fucking healer. In 5e, all of your HP returns if you rested for eight hours.
Starting point is 02:12:35 In Pathfinder, you can do treat wounds every hour. You have the fucking HP back! Assume if I move on to a new scene that you got your HP back unless I specifically mention you didn't. Likewise, if we are sitting down to a new game session and your characters are not currently in the middle of a combat we didn't finish last time, assume you got the HP back at the beginning of every session. This happens to me constantly when I'm playing my home game. At the beginning of every session, after I've gotten everyone to put down their phones,
Starting point is 02:13:19 after I've gotten everyone to finish their slice of pizza, to focus and listen as I try to set a scene, as I establish a mood, as I describe, describe an environment, as I try to bring to life multiple NPCs, inevitably when I turn to the players and say, okay, what would you like to do? The first thing one of them says to me is, we lost health last time we played. Do we get that back? I'm trying to tell a story, you Philistines.
Starting point is 02:13:56 I'm keeping track of the world's mythology and your backstories and how counteracting rules work. And all you can be bothered to worry about are your petty little health ticks. How about this? How about next time you ask that, the answer is no. Okay?
Starting point is 02:14:15 Next time you ask me if you got your health back, the answer is that you have the bubonic plague and boils are forming in your general region. Roll a constitution save. In all seriousness though, if it feels like the GM is doing some storytelling stuff, maybe just go for that for a little while. Okay. Go with the vibe.
Starting point is 02:14:43 The GM is trying to establish, stick with the role playing. And then when it comes time to do mechanics and fight stuff, maybe then bring up your HP because then it will be relevant. But please understand that the GM has moved on sometimes and is trying to establish a mood. Another great time to ask about your HP would be when the GM asks at the beginning of the session, if anybody has any questions, that's my rant.
Starting point is 02:15:12 Well done, well done. Good rant, guilty as charged, as pointed out in the chat by some people, they said, Joe has done this in Jared's game. Everybody does this. I think he's just yelling at Joe. Days have passed. Did we treat wounds?
Starting point is 02:15:31 No, you forgot, bitch. You walked along for four days and no one dealt with your bleeding gash in your torso. Oh, yeah, yep, okay. All right, you're right. When you're right, you're right. And I like to, I like to, Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. All right, you're right. When you're right, you're right. And I like to, I like to, it's very important
Starting point is 02:15:49 when setting a tone to not immediately record scratch that tone with something completely unrelated. It's not just health. Players constantly, you set a tone, you set a scene, you start the scene and then they go, remember five scenes ago, I said that I was holding a dagger. I'm holding a hatchet. Okay.
Starting point is 02:16:13 You're talking to an NPC right now. Talk to the NPC. Stay focused. And later when we have the fight, you can clarify which weapon you picked up. Well, I look forward to more of these Jared and in fact I think you should do one Yeah, you should do you should do them from the player perspective Well, yeah, well we could see we could do it either way. I'm more the GM. I don't you know or the GM
Starting point is 02:16:39 Yeah in both cases, but yeah for now though, we got to go. We're so far over time. It's it's awful. Yeah, I had such a great time That's why I love talking to you and I love talking to the nation today. You guys are the best. Thank you for calling in Thanks for my fighter. I can't wait to take this guy out for a spin this weekend. It's gonna be amazing We'll see you in Texas everybody. Have a good one. Bye. See you next week. Peace See you next week. Peace. Peace. It's time to make your membership official. Start your 30 day free trial today and become an official member of the Naish at jointhenaish.com
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