The Glass Cannon Podcast - The Giantslayer Goodbye Party

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

Seven years in the making, it's the Giantslayer Goodbye Party which aired LIVE on Twitch on 5/19/22. Join Troy, Joe, Skid, Matthew and Grant as they take a walk down memory lane through all six books of the Giantslayer Adventure Path. As this was a highly visual event, we suggest watching the video on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/9n705weet4M For more podcasts and livestreams, visit glasscannonnetwork.com. To become an official member of the Naish, subscribe today at http://www.jointhenaish.com. Want to be a part of Glass Cannon Nation? Follow us at twitter.com/glasscannonpod instagram.com/theglasscannon facebook.com/glasscannonnetwork tiktok.com/@glasscannonnetwork Get the best apparel and gaming accessories in the biz at https://glasscannonnetwork.com/store If you enjoyed this, we have several other series featuring Call of Cthulhu - Time For Chaos Delta Green - Get in the Trunk Pathfinder 2E - Glass Cannon Live! Strange Aeons Pathfinder 1E - Legacy of the Ancients Traveller - Voyagers of the Jump and so much more! Join us every Thursday night for Campaign Two of The Glass Cannon Podcast – a playthrough of the Pathfinder 2E Gatewalkers Adventure Path! Videos premiere on YouTube Thursday nights at 8PM ET with a companion podcast available at midnight. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Here is the long-awaited audio podcast version of the Glass Cannon Podcast Goodbye Party, the GCP goodbye party that we live uh two days after the finale came out i honestly debated uh for a long time uh well over two weeks uh whether or not to release this for a couple reasons one i didn't really want to do it to begin with uh to be completely honest but like i also understood that people wanted to hear something like this. I just, and I had the same feeling with Androids and Aliens, like, I just want these final episodes to just speak for themselves. But I also think it's fun to talk about it as well. But the main reason I want to release it is, as we did the show live on Twitch, it's really meant to be watched.

And I know I say that about a lot of our content, but this one is a slideshow where I go through all six books of The Adventure Path and we see the pages from the book and everything and then discuss. And so we weren't really thinking about describing everything because it was just a moment-by-moment honest reaction to the story, a behind-the, a behind the scenes look at the actual adventure path. So anyways, I, I just really debated whether or not to put this up, but I know there are some people who will get a kick out of it nonetheless. And it's, I think you're going to find it interesting. It's just one of those things that I think really plays better.

Um, if you watch the video. So if you're interested in that, uh, it's going to go up on YouTube. watch the video. So if you're interested in that, it's going to go up on YouTube. And if you're not, then I hope you enjoy this. And I also hope you're enjoying all these releases of our Glass Cannon Lives that are dropping on this feed. I'd say somewhere right around the end of August, I think I have the exact dates somewhere on a spreadsheet. But by then we will be caught up with the tour. And on weeks that we're not touring, we will be doing the show on Twitch and then releasing that podcast. So there's going to be all sorts of new content on here that you don't have to travel the country to see. But if you do enjoy seeing us live, or if you've never seen us live and always wondered what it's like, I hope you come join us. We have so many dates coming up. I mean, next week we're going to be

in D.C. and Columbus. And then two weeks later, we're going to be in Los Angeles and San Francisco. And then first week of August, we're going to be at Gen Con doing two shows at the Helium Comedy Club, as well as a bunch of other shows at Gen Con and a booth on the exhibition floor. So just check out glasscannonnetwork.com slash tour if you're interested in joining us on the road. But in the meantime, please enjoy our little goodbye party here, and we will see you real soon. It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Folks, this is it. This is the swan song, the sayonara, the final goodbye to seven years of our lives.

Goodbye. See ya. Grant, cut the stream. Cut the stream. That's it. We got the subs. Let's call it. We made our net. Let's get out of here. What is going

on, folks? We are gonna have some fun tonight. We're gonna take a long walk down memory lane and share some of our favorite memories. And I don't know, might get emotional, might not. Certainly going to have some laughs and might say something we regret. Either way, this is going to be must-watch television.

Thank you to the 2,000 people that are watching right now. Guys, how are you feeling? We haven't really talked since we dropped the finale i saw skid and joe today in the office because we're we're cleaning it out um but even we didn't even talk about it we just kind of kept our head down and and made jokes about things we were throwing out uh how is everybody doing all matthew's stuff all matthew's stuff we made jokes about all matthew's stuff we were throwing out Look at his favorite hemorrhoid cushion. Imagine how expensive this is.

Bonk. That's an improvement from the way it used to be when you just threw them out. Yeah. What's this? Throw it out. I'd be in for the next recording. What happened to this thing?

What happened to my original manuscript? You're welcome. Now we've learned to have fun with it while we do it. Hasn't Troy thrown out really important, like technical things that were required for like lights and cameras and stuff. And like, we do show up and I'm like, what happened?

I understand that Marie Kondo refers to what sparks joy of your own possessions. I am the Marie Kondo. This is meaningless to me. sessions i am the marie condo this is meaningless to me um well how is everybody doing i i don't think uh you guys haven't listened to the episode yet am i correct uh has anyone listened all the way through no i am about an hour into the first part and uh it's interesting because we don't even start the episode an hour into the first part which is shocking to me on the re-listen the other thing was uh that made me think get really nostalgic was i stopped doing that i stopped listening to the glass kind of podcast the day it released on the

feed, you know, and when I was listening to it, especially the teas, cause it had some of those earlier elements, all I could, I could, I pictured myself in Astoria walking the street to work in the weeks we

released the podcast and just listening to every episode beginning to end and laughing and being so pleased with myself and my friends uh and it just brought back those great memories yeah i mean since we came back from covid break i edited everything since the uh quavixia fight on um you and i used to share the editing so you didn't even get a chance to listen to them in the editing booth. But I stopped listening as well, so the ones you edited, I didn't listen to. I did have the pleasure to listen to the last 120 of them. But yeah, I mean, it's a long listen. I hope everybody here tonight has spent the six and a half hours to catch up to the finale,

because there's probably going to be some spoilers some spoilers but honestly we're going to talk about the whole road that led up to the finale let alone get into the nitty-gritty of what happened there's a lot of beef in chat i'll say that a lot of spoiler there's a lot of beef in the chat it's a hot joke beef really killed beef really killed i just thought it was nice that after all this time after all of these know, there's so many callback jokes, wonderful jokes of the series. And it does feel like there's kind of a gap. It feels like they're all in the first three books, like the jokes that lasted a really, really long time. But we've got a new one in 326. It's great.

How do you feel about now being Beef Boy instead of Bread Boy? It feels kind of like we're sexualizing you a little bit more with Beef Boy. Beef Boy. B-O-I. Oh, hey, Beef Boy. Beef Boy and Bun Bun. Beef Boy and Bun Bun. Do your own tricks.

A match made in heaven. Have another roll, Bun Bun. Bunny Cup comedy coming to a theater near you. It's like a manga. Beef Boy and Bun Bun. Lone Wolf and Cub. I thought that. Grant and Matthew, am I correct in saying that you haven't listened to an episode of this since The Plague House?

That is incorrect. I feel like you've never listened to this show, Matthew. No, I listened to this show. Iew no i listened to the show i mean when i when i was writing teases i really listened to every episode um okay i didn't i didn't listen to the edited episodes i listened to the wrong okay um i'm sure i'm sure you didn't do any skipping when you were just making teases you probably listened beginning i started skipping hardcore you want to take it take it all in, right? No, when we started doing the last week on, then I started skipping ahead.

Oh, now the truth comes out. Grant, what about you? Obviously, you sweeten all these, but how much are you like, I'm going to sit down with my hot cup of noodles and listen to the latest release of the Glass Cannon podcast? I think it absolutely stopped when androids and aliens became a thing and alongside with a full-time job and then it just like with all the content we're producing now i just don't have time i listen to good

chunks of like everything i hear matthew say mean things about me on shows i'm not on and i get upset um so you know i i get those highlights you know the most important it's kind of like a reader's digest of the Glass Cannon Network. That's what I get in my position. I just want to listen to stuff that makes me feel bad. Yeah. Skid, I feel like you're an avid listener.

Am I wrong? I used to be. I think it was... Then we kind of fell off. I swear at book five. I didn't really... A lot of fire giant fights. I got kind of bored.

That's when you cut your page it just it just wasn't for me uh it turns but no i was so many things i don't know i don't know i was just like i don't know just i got alienated at some point but uh it i was listening like joe like every day release day early on and it was awesome it was like just having that sort of immediate historical record of of your gaming session with your friends was great and just yeah laughing at the old jokes again and everything but i think like once we went full time we were we were doing so much stuff and it was just like uh it got to be i got to i got sick of the sound of my own voice so i that's basically what it was so i stopped listening but uh no it's still a good

show i had i had objections to the banter section of the show sure yeah get to the game already you were the one writing on those message boards uh you know it's funny because when we started, I thought our audio sounded great. But as I was preparing for the finale and going back and listening to early episodes, it's unbearably bad, which is shocking. It's not unbearably bad. You clearly don't listen to any actual play podcast. This is true. It's not like we had somebody's iPhone sitting in the middle of a table while we all yelled into it.

But when you think of how far we've come, even our remote sound just blows it out of the water. The greatest thing that ever happened to us was moving into that tiny studio that was owned by a purported audio engineer. And we thought there'll be no problems here. And then there was like you could pick up AM radio if you pointed a mic in the wrong direction there and that necessitated me figuring out how to do multi-track and do everything from there and you know that's a big having those in post is a big deal so well it's it's wild 326 episodes and that's just of this show and multiple parts some of those episodes had multiple parts. Some of those episodes had multiple parts. There was somebody on the fan Discord or our Patreon Discord that broke it all down. I wish I had brought it up before we started the stream.

They did all the math of how many hours, what the average time of an episode is, which is right around 90 minutes. Yeah, I might be able to track it down. So the average length of an episode is an hour and a half? I knew it. I feel like it was. I knew it. Yeah, I might be able to track it down. And it was an average length of an episode is an hour and a half. I knew it. I feel like it was.

I knew it. Yeah, I feel like it was because we had so many long ones that bumped it up. The shortest episode was around 58 or 59 minutes. And I remember being so mad. I was like, I should just do a really long intro

to get it over the hour mark. I'm shocked you didn't. I know. I just, I didn't feel like it. But yeah, it's just really wild uh to look back so that's what we're going to do today is we're going to look back and for the first time ever i'm going to show you pages from the giant slayer adventure and i thought this would be a fun way very excited to spark discussion as we take a walk down memory lane by looking at the creatures and the maps and everything.

Unlike George RR Martin, Troy has pages and he's going to show pages. I finished my adventure, George. I finished my pre-written adventure, George. I finished the adventure. Somebody else wrote for me.

George. Can I, can I pull back the curtain just a tad? Like you sent us, I finished the adventure. Somebody else wrote for me. George. George. Can I pull back the curtain just a tad? Like, you sent us the presentation. You risked sending it to us in advance. Uh-huh. I haven't really looked ahead, but I did notice there's a fair number of slides in this presentation. So how long are we meeting? Curious how much time you expect to spend on each slide of this presentation.

We're going to be cooking through these. They're really here just to spark discussion. There might be a slide where I'll be like, hey, hey remember that guy and then we move on that's it um but uh grant let's let's let's take it to these slides and and the first one before we start oh here we have a little tiny bottle of prosecco that i'm going to celebrate here i have some scotch that i'm going to pour for myself i got rum that I took from the office today That we've had for two and a half years With a Diet Coke And I've got squirt

Grant has a squirt And Grant's squirting if you're listening to the audio version It's worth tuning in It's all over the place And after doing Cannon Fodder bonus episode With Troy on Saturday night I brought a truly mango chili. Ooh.

I'm going to jump into one of these. I've got my fucking backup right here. Oh, you got it as a backup, dude. Too long. Great. No, we're not going to. No, we're not. We're keeping this tight.

Yes. First, the initial slides that I see look like anatomy. So once and for all, we're going to answer the question that started the finale episode yes we're gonna we're gonna start by answering the question how long is a storm giant's penis uh vitruvian giants i was always uh very careful i didn't want you guys to see the covers of the adventures i didn't want you to see the titles of the adventures um but each of the covers had the final boss on the cover. So I didn't want to, obviously didn't want to show you that. But one thing I regret is not showing you the inside

covers because they all had the pictures of giants done in the style of the Vitruvian Man. So I just wanted to quickly show you these. I did them in what I think is the order of strength of giant. But when you go back to book one, in the forward to Giant Slayer, I think it was Rob McCreary, who was the lead dev on this, said something to the effect like, this is an adventure about giants, right? But even the lowest level giant could squash a party of first, second, third level adventurers. Yeah, I was reading that. could squash a party of first, second, third-level adventurers. Yeah, I was reading that. We created a giant that the PCs could handle,

and that's what the cave giant was. And they hamstrung him, too. Yeah, with the chains. He had orcs holding him on chains. Remember, he started swinging the orcs. Yeah, in fact, I'll jump up to a slide here. Already going to make grant work by jumping up to slide 14 you'll see an image of what that giant looks like being held by chains yeah remember you

would swing the orcs around and that was one of those big uh gormley flying and raining down fire uh moments i i my memory of that and i could be wrong is that that was her first flight it was last time i levitated oh wow yeah that's first flight. It was the first time I levitated. Oh, wow, yeah. That's my memory. It's like the first time we were like, she is like a goddess. Like unto a god. Yep. We thought she was just a weirdo, but now

she's a goddess. This is great art. Isn't this fantastic? The adventure is obviously called Giants Lear. You know you're going to fight giants, but it's not until the end of, almost end of book one that you fight one. But I can still remember the reveal because you're fighting all the orcs. You're fighting all the orcs, and then you go up the crenellated tower, and you look out, and you see a fucking giant by the barter stones. And so you know that fight's coming, and then you actually ended up taking it on.

Yeah. I got vibes from that that was kind of like the, you know, they have a cave troll. Like they see it before it's there and you're just like, oh, get ready. Oh, no. And it's just like boom, boom. Yeah. Awesome.

Just going quickly through these images, though, because I wanted to include them. I think they're really cool. You've got the cave giant and then you've got the ogre, of course, followed by the hill giant, classic. That's what Grensel Deck was. The marsh giant,

which may have been created for this adventure. I'm not 100% sure. Almost killed Gormley. Is the marsh giant the one that's what you fought outside of the entrance to the Vault of Thorns? That thing almost killed Gormley? You had to wait a few episodes for that to happen and they're basically they're sort of like lovecraftian too they have like that kind of hybrid fish kind of background oh yeah they do with the the teeth they kind of have a uh what is that creature that looks

like that uh the lure fish with the with the the little lure that pops out in front of its head. They have those big mouths like that with the teeth. Yeah, the lantern fish. Yeah, they're like Shadow of Arinsma. Like giant size. When you guys were... You were in Minderhall's Valley, eastern Minderhall's Valley, and you fought

some undead giants. Those were actually undead marsh giants. Oh, wow. Which didn't really come out. I think actually undead marsh giants. Oh. Oh, wow. Which didn't really come out. I think you guys didn't hit your checks, and I was excited about it. And then, of course, your Ettin, classic two-headed giant.

A lot taller than I thought. Yeah, they're pretty big. Well, they have two heads and four legs. You've got your stone giant, which had already been featured pretty prominently in Rise of the Runelords and whatnot, but it was nice to see them in the middle. And then frost giants, tomb giants, one of those killed Lork, fire giants, badass. Given their sheer size, it's shocking how easily we mopped the floor with so many of them.

Yeah, we had a well we had a gun that's true one of us create pit we we brought a gun to a sword and sorcery fight then you got your ash giant which was what you fought on top of the tower in book six before you joined the castle oh the diseased like the skin diseased? I thought we were going to fight more of them. Was that the only ones we fought? There were... Actually, no, yeah, they were just in that area. I think there might have been one in the castle that you fought. I'm not 100% sure.

But they were all in the crater, for the most part. And then Cloud Giants, obviously, you took over. They were running Zephyr Hall. You fought them. Nalbor and Nalbia and all the guards. All the guards. And Renfall. And then, of course, the Storm Giant.

Unfortunately, the image is a woman, so we will truly never know how long the penis is. It's like they knew. I want to say that one thing that stands out to me is with the exception of the Ash Giants, as the Giants seem to increase in size and power, they also increase in attractiveness and handsomeness. They do, because they're more intelligent and they know how to take care of themselves. Right. They have a skin care regimen. Except that poor skin disease of the Ash Giant.

But everyone else looks cooler and like, yeah, they'd get into a nightclub. We got a sense of the earlier ones. We got a sense, too, based off of the recruitment and basically who was matriculating up the ranks, that there was a class system associated with whatever their birth was. Right. So, like, this also seemed to be that versus right, but it also seems like the wealthier a giant class got, the more they could have cosmetic surgery and look beautiful or whatever the equivalent was to that in this time, right? Right. You got money, you eat better. You get a good gym membership. Right.

If you don't, you're a gross hill giant. You only lift bespoke boulders. Made by Rogue. You only lift bespoke boulders made by Rogue. It's time for me to finally reveal to you the cover of book one of the Giant Slayer Adventure Path. Here it is. It is the Battle of Bloodmarch Hill. And then on the cover is the cave giant when, in actuality, Screed was the big bad.

Oh, but the skeleton giant. That was also... That was a scary fight because we went into it after fighting Screed. Yeah. If you had gone left instead of right, you fight it before Screed. But you guys fought Screed first and then came around. What you don't see in this picture is Screed's body lying dead just off Screed and the gunshot went through his head. What you don't see in this picture is Screed's body lying dead just off screen. And the gunshot went through his head. It's hard to illustrate justice so perfectly, Matthew.

You can't just draw justice. It's a metaphor. Crazy Joe Gallo showed up. Battle of Bloodmart Hill. And then moving on quickly, you see here the image of the Pathfinder Iconics fighting that. I don't know. Was it a haunt in the plague house when all those bodies came up from the bed? That was a haunt, yeah.

Classic, the plague house. I love the plague house. I knew that, like, the adventure started with a little combat, but then it was all investigation, which I thought would be really good to get in the flow of the show. But I was so excited for you to get into the Plague House because that was a more traditional dungeon. And that's really where it all started. Obviously, you fought the wolves. That was your first actual combat was against those wolves.

The Wall of Wolf Street. Yeah, the Wall of Wolf Street. And then there were the Freedom Town Assassins, which I'll show you in a second. There is Aggramosh, the hammer that no one used or wanted am i looking in reading this adventure background of book one which they don't mention the storm tyrant in the adventure background like it's they just totally focused on screed and the giant and the like his plans um i don't know yeah i just don't see anything about it screed and grenzel

day yeah that's like the whole the book one and book two bosses are really covered in the i thought the adventure background is going to be like a giant is assembling an army and then we'll zoom into this oh wait no volstice volstice is mentioned he is oh would you do a word search no i don't know how to do that on computers. I'm just using my eyes and reading. Yeah, middle of the second paragraph. That's kind of a word search. Word has reached Grenzledeck that far to the south in the Mindspin Mountains, a storm giant calling himself Volstis the Storm Tyrant has begun a gathering an army of giants under his banner. Like Tar Bafon before him, Volstis plans to dominate the Hordes of Belks and blah, blah, blah.

Okay, all right. So they did mention it. So it's there, but it's not until the end of book two that you really know that like, oh, that's the ultimate big bad. Troy, you seemed upset before Joe asked a question about no one wanting this hammer. Right. Agrimosh

is a big deal and nobody really wanted it. I wanted it! Which became a theme throughout the entire adventure. It was like, here is this amazing artifact. Who wants it?

And you're like, that doesn't fit my build. Sorry, I just had to mention that Steve Geddes just gifted 100 subs. Oh my gosh. Steve Geddes! Oh, buddy!

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Thank you guys so much for the gifted subs. Anyway, sorry to interrupt. Steve, bringing the thunder from down under. That's aggramosh. No one cares. You didn't want it. I didn't want it. It's so weird.

You stole it from me. I wanted to keep it. I should have wielded that at the end, and I was dumb. Oh, that would have been awesome. What did it do that we never found out? It has the resizing thing, right? Yeah, if you crit, you can shrink a giant. Oh, that's cool.

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. We knew that. We knew that. But it levels up after you hit it on the forge. Yeah, if you hit it on the forge, it does some other cool shit. Obviously, it allowed you to reforge all those items. But, I don't know.

It was a fun weapon early on that just never really... It kind of got recast with some of your other weapons. The only reason I included this page is because it's the one page, as I continued to do printouts of these books, that I would keep. So, when we moved on to book two, I kept this page. Book three, I just threw it out today, actually, while we were cleaning out the office. I had the original page. And I kept it just to remember the NPCs in True Now.

You see there the little description of the town. And it tells you, I mean, that's really, that's the only time most of them are mentioned are right there. So when you guys went to the council room, I was just populating it on the spot. Now it's like, oh, you see a dwarf woman. Her name is Ogret Stogenstar. And then obviously the two Catherine Zeta-Joneses became a big thing for us. But I mean, this is all I had to go off of.

Kess and Plum was in the book. Kess and Plum was in the book kesson plum was in the book yeah so uh very very interesting to see that i just threw it out today i thought about keeping it it's like now it's gotta go and there's our humble city of true now look at that i love these maps i love the maps it looks sort of like we're talking about uh on legacy of the ancients the the sandpoint map such a good map yeah there's just some of the like the of your home base of like these places that you kind of get this emotional attachment to for protecting and npcs you you grow to know and be fond of and everything those are the maps that i really love

and like this is this is one of them. This is awesome. It's my favorite kind of adventure, like starting in a town and seeing that town become a character. Yeah. What I love about this map, too, is it reminds me of how I would draw out cities in the sand at like the beach or in the playpen at school.

Like that overhead view. Like I'd put like a pine cone here for my base and this there. and it's like i don't know it ties it back nicely to it being kind of a childhood pursuit that we continue to play as adults and i really love that any questions about uh where a certain place is on that map the uh the o is where the cave we fought the cave giant, right? The O is, yeah, the Hope Spring. Yeah, that's the Hope Spring. Yeah, and the Barterstones is H, which you can't see on the map,

but it's way south outside of the walls. And then A is the Commons where the Hope Knife Ceremony takes place. No, Troy, you're wrong. The Barterstones, because I looked this up for my flashback, the Barterstones are N. Oh, you're right. They're way up top. Oh, they're way up top.

Yes, yes, I'm sorry. H is the Plague House top yes yes h is the the plague house right h is the plague house i always thought the plague house was further away but me too i i this is shocking to me that it's this close to town i thought it was like a day-long journey over right nobody can't just go out the south end of town you have to go through the gate and walk down and around it's that was the thing. I'm seeing that you're a little quiet, FYI, on stream. If you want to

boost yourself a little. It's beautiful. And the upper quarter there, M, G, B, F, that's where you guys stay. The Ramble House is one of those. It's B, right? I think Ramble House is... Yeah, Ramble House is B. Yeah.

So funny. And then Lork's House would have been... See where I is? Lork's House is like right next to I. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. South side. Way at the bottom.

That's where I always imagined it in my mind. Wow. I think that's where the inner quarter is, isn't it? I don't know. It's been a long time. Is Bloodmarch Hill the whole hill hill or is it a section of town? This is something I was unclear about. The town was built on top of Bloodmarch Hill.

Okay. It's the whole hill. The whole hill. Yeah, the whole hill. And then underneath the cave is where the original settlement was built on top of. Oh, by the way. So Agrimash, I'm sorry we've moved past this but agramosh the hammer it is actually the hammer of mineral right it is right i think so minder hall's actual hammer

yeah like it says this is rumored to be but i think in the text they say like no this is his actual like legendary god hammer i think you might be right yeah anyway moving on here look at this guy the guy whose death kicked off the entire adventure old roderick grath we hardly knew you played by i believe uh what's his name iron man oh was it a robert downey jr downey jr and was this pre-iron man because i feel like his stock wasn't as hot as it was when we cast him. No, no. I think it was like in 08. 08?

All right, well, it was definitely pre-Avengers. And I can't believe we got him. But that's Roderick Grath. Avengers was 2012. The good Avengers. We are going to have to pick up the pace so what yeah can we skip the next page is just text well the reason i put this here was the only reason i put this here is local lore if you were i was reading this the other day look at that first

line yeah it's tom exposition's line yes word for word the hub knife is more than a weapon it's a symbol uh so you guys were rolling to the latest work the other side of contempt he's our own homegrown writer it's a controversial poem but that's what makes roderick's writing so strong he's not afraid to push limits they're they're like they were trying to push this thing that like roderick was a writer and he was like a poet and he had this real sensitive side. And I just very quickly realized you guys weren't interested in it and I wasn't interested in it. So I let it go pretty quickly.

Um, but there's pages in here. It's like, here's an example of Roderick's work. And I was like, who gives a shit? He's dead. Um,

man's dead. Literary material alone. But, you know, learning about the graffiti and learning about, sorry, learning about the graffiti. Sorry, I'm, Grant's, sorry. Yeah, learning about the graffiti,

learning about little bits is what you're supposed to, is supposed to happen before you start doing the tug of war and all that stuff. Next up is Cursed. And then, of course, old Cham Laringfast. Or Laringfast. and before you start doing the tug-of-war and all that stuff. Next up is Cursed. And then, of course, old Cham Laringfast. Or Laringfast. Played by Katie Mixon. Brynja Kelver. Classic.

Now sits on the council. I've seen all of these. I don't know. Did you show us these back in the day? We used to release the art. Oh, on the Tumblr. These were all on the Tumblr back in the day. When we released the art. We used to release the art, yeah. Oh, on the Tumblr. These were all on the Tumblr back in the day. Here's the Freedom Town Assassin,

one of your first big combats when you were sleeping in the Ramble House. That was the first time I remember you being really angry after a combat because you forgot to, you said you were like, ah, something I forgot. Yeah, I can't remember what the hell it was. It might have been something with that liquid blade. Oh, yeah. That blade.

Oh, yeah. I don't remember. You're talking about the assassin. Weren't you guys jumping out of windows or knocking them out of windows? Oh, you didn't get the poison on the blade, I think. Oh, that's what it was. No, that was the orcs outside of the... Yeah, that was on the river Esk.

Oh, okay. Oh, you were so angry. I was so mad about that poison. You were like mad at us. Yeah. For not reminding me about something you shouldn't have. Like you did something in the next combat that was like, you were like, roll fortitude saves.

For what? You're getting a cold. I can't remember what it was, but you made us do something. It was really funny. Look at this guy. He didn't make it to the finale, but we know him and we love him. Old Omas Pram. Oh, Omas Pram.

Was he cut for time? Yeah, no. I had nothing for him. He was... I think his story was told. I really need more Omas. Is Sarah Mourninghoff? I thought Omas was... Never mind.

I got this printout of the journal. Like, I got this in session. You brought a printout of it. I remember you handing it to me. Oh, you jumped ahead. After Sarah and Kertrezra, you're at the printout. Yes. Of Roderick's journal.

I also have to give a shout-out to paizo for making orc females look badass there's like in a lot of fantasy art they're just like green painted slim supermodels like like heroine chic type stuff sarah morning hog is a badass that works with iron and that's cool she looks like a smith yeah yeah that's awesome clamor she looks like a ufc fighter yeah she does choke you out yeah katrezri he had a huge role in this. You know, I don't read ahead. So, like, I had only read book one. It wasn't until book three that I was like, wait a minute, is there an Oracle in every one of these books?

And I wish I had known that early on. I might have played it up a little bit differently. But he obviously ended up having a huge role in this adventure. Whereas other people might play Giant Slayer and he wouldn't. You of like you see him and you move on from true now you're never really meant to come back to true now until like the end of book two you do and then you never come back again oh that's interesting well i'm glad we did well i just felt like we you were so connected to true now um that it it it it always provided opportunities for character growth to see you caring about True Now. Even though you lost, like, Lork and Gorms, people who lived there, you had a connection to it.

So it was important to come back to that. Side question for you. You said that you didn't read everything. You didn't know how important oracles were. What book had you read the entire adventure? Do you know? Oh, I didn't start reading book six until we finished book five really yeah i never read ahead i'm just i don't want to be uh i don't want to be uh what's the word i want to be like i don't want to be

influenced influenced by something i read there i just want to focus on what i'm doing and then i move on now i read the summary so i get the general gist of things but the nitty-gritty it's going to go in one ear and out the other for me got it yeah especially like as i'm prepping different games learning different systems going back to pathfinder i just ran a pathfinder 2e game it's like you realize reading stat blocks and that kind of stuff like way in advance is so useless. It's so meaningless. You basically need to read it right before you go. It's like cramming for a test. And even when I read the AP for the first time,

as I'm rereading it or prepping for a session, I'm like, oh my God, I totally forgot about this when I read it the first or second time. But yeah, so you guys assume that I had read this. I didn't read book six until 2021. I didn't read book six until 2020, 2021. I didn't read book six. Wow. Wow.

But you knew the general shape of it. Oh, yeah. I knew it all, how it was going to play out. But I didn't know at all what the beats were. I just saw the maps and the bosses and the images of the villains. And I was like, oh, God, how am I going to ever run this? But, yeah, there's obviously that big journal handout. I think I cut it out and handed it to you.

It was awesome. Here's the Plague House map, our first true map, I think. I probably drew something for when you fought the wolves because i used to do the hand-drawn maps um but this was like uh one that i could recreate um do you remember never sorry i was trying to think how you would do the maps like back before we were using roll 20 if you would you would you draw them like while we waited or would you did you have them covered up somehow like i can't remember i drew as we played because i was on the shitty body mic uh that's why i sound so quiet in those first 50 episodes um so i didn't like drawing the map

and covering it up because i feel like then the players know what the size of the dungeon is going to be so i would be like all right where you guys get oh you're going to the front door great so i draw the front door and a wall. And then you enter and I'd draw just the room that you're in with the doors. And so I was drawing all the way along. That's why there was a lot more editing back then. Yeah, because we paused while I drew.

We would all pause while you drew. And then it got more intense. And there were times when you'd take the map and leave the room and draw for a bit. And then you'd come back. I've never seen this Plague House map before map before this is awesome so that h5 and that big stone wall i remember this as that's the first time we saw the name screed i remember it's like written on the wall written on the wall yeah like screed and we were like this is the big boss and i think this is where was this where you found no roderick's journal was given to you by katrez I think this was where... Was this where you found... No, Roderick's Journal was given to you

by Ketrezra, but this was the general area where Gorms and Kesson had their rendezvous back in the day. Yeah, we all know what they did there. We all know what they... We covered that. Strong. Don't do it.

Sorry. And then, jumping ahead to downstairs we get uh to two very important uh well three very important people uh if you remember first is daktani yes daktani and it was a real this was a cool thing where it was this was the first time we dealt with like a half orc and another half orc who had chosen different paths and i remember there being like a don't do this and him like i have to do this uh you guys killed him anyway i vaguely remember that i should re-listen to these yeah they were good uh and then this one the shadow rat yeah episode 10 i'll never forget it was 10 it was episode 10 yep and we i i remember i wrote this the t script for aj our vo guy and i was like the adventure continues maybe yeah because i was like

we almost ended it that day we were so angry and that was a hot ep yeah well if you go forward one uh one page you'll see who forced you to do it you know that was just me not wanting you guys to rest, but you resting would have made that fight viable because you needed the channels, and you didn't have any channels left. And so that was the first time that I had to give you another out because it was an unwinnable fight. You had no way.

Did we use Brynja's love in that fight? Because it has ghost touch ability, right? Not until we had the ceremony. There was a ceremony where when we returned it and it was like a burial. You had to burn it. I think you burnt it and then the name appeared and then it got that ability. It was like at the end of the book. I don't even know if it was the end of book one or later.

It was four weddings and a funeral, but I can't remember what the actual title was. It's before the invasion. Four warnings and a funeral. Immediately after't remember what the actual title is before the invasion four warnings and a funeral i mean yeah immediately after the playhouse but there was a ceremony remember we were standing there like watching the sunset and then the invasion started right also somebody pointed out that that something in chat earlier was that we could have used brinia's love to dispel all the darkness that we were having so much trouble with, like in book six. Is that a light spell on it? It has daylight.

Daylight. You can do daylight. That's incredible. Really? Thanks for writing in, Zach. Yeah, thanks. Wow. Thanks for writing in, Zach.

Where were you two months ago? I just want to point out, I don't want to be a party pooper, but I pace shows every week on Cannon Fodder. This is my job. And I just want to say we're right between episode 10 and 20, and we're 40 minutes into this two-hour show. Out of 326 episodes, we're going to have to cook faster than this. Well, I'll tell you what, though. We're on slide 33 out of 200, so we're moving faster than you think. We're not.

We're moving at the exact speed that I think we are. Well, enjoy it, because after this, we'll never talk about this show again. That's true. Our next image is the Siege of True Now. Yeah. We didn't know about orc ferocity. We didn't care, because we were just having fun. Look at that loser, H that loser harsh with a crossbow

what a fool what a fool if i'm not if i'm not mistaken if we want to really get lawyerly i believe it is orc ferocity is exactly what we thought it was but it's not it's ferocity yeah right because i think orc ferocity is the key keyword that's given to half orcs. But this is what we mixed up, and it was like ferocity was the thing that meant. And it's also, oh, shit. What? I can't say it now because it's actually a spoiler. For what? For episode one of next week's show, Glass Cannon Live number one.

It factors in heavily, us knowing the rule. Yeah, knowing the rule was really important. I think in retrospect now, multiple people would have died had we played it correctly. Yeah, I don't really understand it.

Because those orcs stay up longer. And I certainly wasn't, I wasn't adding any combatants to the fight. I wasn't changing hit points. I didn't, I was just playing it by the book. Waves and waves of orcs.

But yeah, by having you just kill them and having them not last until they're below their con. That is a brutal sequence as written. Yeah. It's really surprising. Waves and waves. I was reading this book yesterday. And I was going through it. I was just like like this is insane

i i can't believe that they're expecting anyone to live through this i think it was also even though we played it uh like people pathfinder purists would hate how we actually played it i think it was a selling point for a lot of people on the show because it was so dire. It really felt like you were fighting an orc siege, a true orc siege. And it should. You're right. It should feel that dangerous. It galvanized the crew.

Next page, very quickly, you see Brynja's love and you see the powers that you get when it was consecrated. And then, of course, the map of the inner quarter as it starts to fall apart. So I was wrong about Lork's house, I think. I think Lork's house was around L5. Not where I was.

But you guys had entered to the northwest and were going across town to get out on the eastern side. And it was, I don't even remember this guy, Freedom Town Thug? How'd he get in here? Gormley shot him with a crossbow for being a little bit mouthy. Who killed?

Outside the bar. At the killing grounds. Who killed K'gok of the Rolling Thunder? That was in a narrative, right? Oh, no, that was during the battle. That was on top of one of the... That was on the crenellated tower. That was on the crenellated tower.

Yeah. Sorry, I was still talking about the Freedom Town guy. No, I do remember this Skald. It's a Skald, right? It's a Skald, yeah. The only Skald in the adventure, I think. But yeah, he was cool. That's awesome artwork.

I've never seen that art. Fucking great artwork. That's really cool. That's really, really cool. And then there was this son of a gun here. Oh, this sucked. Remember the smoke? Yes.

This is where the accurate, the smoke. The Orc Beast Tamer. She let loose her dogs and they came after you. God, that was good and then there's ernstle oh ernstle she was the one that had two on her head yeah she she infiltrated clamor and she was the one who stole that dagger right she was working for screed but she was uh like a an undercover agent working for screenree, and she took a job at Clamour. And Sarah Mourninghawk was like, yeah, there was this half-orc that was working for me, and she took off.

And so then you guys thought, we've got to find this Ernstl. Ernstl is the one behind the siege. That's right. I think there's a tidbit about her. I think what I was reading is that I think it's implied that she's illiterate, or she speaks in, like, broken common, at least. So she didn't realize, like, what the knife said. So it was, like, because it was a replacement knife for Roderick

to give for that. It was the Brynjus knife that she gave to him that he lost. So she didn't realize what the knife said. She just took it. Yeah, it was. She did have a cool story. I can't remember what it was, but you guys killed her anyways. Didn't we fight her right before Jasund died?

Yeah, it was right in that alleyway. I think it was right after Jasund died, maybe. Maybe before. She was in the alleyway with another guy named Vorum, who you fought them. And then, yeah, it was right outside there where Jasson was on his knees. And I always point to that episode being like, if we can get people to listen long enough to the Jasson death, I think we'll have them forever. I really felt that way.

There's two reasons for that. forever i really felt that way there's two reasons for that it's because the second reason is because that's how many episodes we recorded before we released so episode 12 uh was it 12 i thought that it was more than that well it was that many before we really understood like what we were doing wrong with like the tech and everything so it it was six. I remember it was cause it's episode 16. I'm pretty sure. And we were 16 episodes in before we could really adjust to what people were saying was like wrong. Oh yeah.

Right. And I was like, I hope they keep listening even though it's crap, you know, just through this. And we got, we got a lot better at a lot of things after that point. Um,

but yeah, I wanted them to get to that death for that reason too because it was like nobody's gonna do it like this i just knew this is the way that our home games are going into this show when you guys told me your characters backstories and you told me about jason it was like one of the only things i knew i was like when they get to the inner quarter i'm killing jason in front of him because i think that is going to be a moment that is going to be meaningful for the show. I mean, at the time, I didn't even know

that we would finish this adventure or keep doing this podcast, but I knew I wanted to do that. It always made me mad that it took so long to get to that point because I knew that was a, if a listener would last that long, I think we would get them. That was like a certain similar moment

early on in game of thrones but i won't spoil but something very similar similar feel happens in that it was just like and that was the moment i was hooked it's like 100 pages into the first book it was just like oh okay same kind of thing yeah that was the only thing i knew i mean there were times honestly as we were playing book one where i hadn't prepped or like I didn't realize like because we were I was jamming a home game. I wasn't jamming for a podcast. And you guys were like, let's go talk to the fucking blacksmith lady. I was like, I read that once.

All right. Talking to the blacksmith. And so I need to go back and listen because there was some stuff I was just reading and making stuff up as we were going uh you know obviously i then became an over preparer but at the time i just i think about how different the show was where it was like oh you want to do that yeah great all right so you go up there and it's a tall tall building tall looks like it's a two one story uh one story building just making stuff up on the spot one story tall building it's a tall one story building. Just making stuff up on the spot. One story tall building. It's a tall one story.

Just moving along here, just another one of these guys, the Orc Shieldbreaker. You know, they try to give you a bunch of different kinds of orcs to fight. And then there's the map of the Hope Spring where you fought that giant, the cave giant, the Barterter stones where Lork was put in the catapult. One of the few rules that we got completely right in repositioning. And that was all in the book? Yeah. Part of the design of that encounter is try to get a PC in the catapult. In the catapult, yeah.

And so I read, how do I do that? I got to grapple, and then I got to reposition. And I remember seeing you walk right next to it. And I was like, if I hit this grapple, I think I can reposition him into the catapult. And you were looking at me like you did for all six books. You're like, wait a minute, wait a minute. You can't do that.

And I was like, actually, I can. I mean, again. I still remember, because at that point, we had already established some trends that continued for 300 episodes, like shitty rolling and Grant being unbelievably gifted by God. And he gave me his big red Tumblr. Oh, big red. He gave me big red for that roll.

And I'll never forget. I rolled it. And I believe it was a four. We'll have to go back to the episode. But it was a guard. He's still having it right there. Grant's got it on it on it looks like a fruity pebble in his hands he was like you you can do that you can use this one joe i'm like thanks grant and i do it but it hit my coffee table and it was just like garbage single digi right around the four range 14 and i And I was like, this is awful.

The catapult. I thought he was dead. I thought he was dead. And I think to this day, people suspect that you fudged the damage dice on that. I didn't. What did we determine? It was all straight out of the book. I rolled really poor damage. If you were in the single digis for hit points by the time I put you up and I rolled decent damage, you die.

But I think it was only 3d6, which is a lot at first, second level, whatever you were. But I do remember it being a really bad roll and me looking at the roll and being like, I want to lie about what this is because it was so cool that I got him in the catapult. But unfortunately, I want to lie about what this is because it was so cool that I got him in the catapult. But unfortunately, I didn't lie. I believe that was the episode where I realized Grant's dice weren't weighted. He was just, as you put it, Joe, unbelievably gifted by God.

Because you could not make his die roll well. Correct. There is Usgroth's tomb. And it's funny because when we think about book one, I think this is probably the thing we think about least. You think about the relationships between the NBCscs you think about the city you think about the siege we never really talk about screed and usgroth's tomb i thought usgroth's tomb was amazing at the end because we all got gifts that all seemed like a touch for us and made us feel like

chosen somehow and tied to the history of the city was very spooky and surreal and like this kind of tearing away at a story behind a story that i feel like like you're saying now we never fully touched on or fully understood the past yeah i mean that's straight out of the adventure they were like gift the pcs four items and tie it into their backstories so they'll feel like they are fated to go on this journey and so i did that and then I reproduced that when we were in Minderhall's Valley with the four elements that you had, the four artifacts, the Drake's Banehorn and stuff you had to chase down. It's not in the book that you were connected to those things,

but I felt like you needed a reason to go do that so it wasn't just a fetch quest. So I kind of just recycled what they had suggested to do here in book one. But the most memorable part of all of this is that this is the first sex scene in the adventure. Yeah. Is it? The first, really. The first glass cannon baby came right here. What happened?

I don't even remember. When this griff stuck its cloaca in Galabras' tum-tum, as you would call it. That was a rough day of recording. Yeah. Yep. I had an original idea for the finale, just mentioning that you see this horrible uh look half griff half calabras fly by and go kill me i remember the griff babies flying away and they had glasses on we're getting deeper into the year like as we're recording this deeper into the summer and it's

just getting hotter and hotter in the apartment and more and more unpleasant and then you pull this on me and i was just like you were not having it no it's like i think the things you cared least for in our entire run was this and the nugs in the book five. Yeah, I did not care for the nugs. Those were two. Didn't care for those. Yep. We're nearing the end here. Book one, there's Asgroth's armor. Classic.

Cool. And then... That's what Sir Will was wearing in the final fight against Volstis. Really? Wow, that's very cool. Cast to level fifth. Crazy.

It had been upgraded by that point. I had cast magics onto it to upgrade it. But yes, it was that set of armor. Also. Oh, sorry. You're telling me to keep it moving. I'm trying to go. I'm skipping three pages ahead.

That's why I said that. Well, I just was showing the note that you found to Screed from Grensel Deck. And then there's that final fight against Screed. And I never knew that his name was Screed Gorwillow. Neither did I. Yeah. Never knew that. That's pretty poor role play on your part.

He was an alchemist. Well, what does he say? Before I kill you, you should know my great-grandfather's name. I come from a long line of gall willows. What did you say? He was an alchemist. I remember reading this and being like, I don't want to play a fucking alchemist. But that's old screed.

Moving on to book two, perhaps the best book of our entire adventure. Arguably, a lot of people say that what went down in book two is what solidified them for this. Well, come on. Like, river journey, boat shit, bunch of cool and fun NPCs, the characters get fleshed out, then you got a swamp,

and you've got a druidic ruin, and like an extra planar adventure. And then a fort thing. I mean, it has everything, that book, everything. So good on Larry Wilhelm.

Thank you, Larry. Tip of the cap. Oh, Larry, the hill giants pledge. And there's Grenzel deck looking amazing. Uh,

I think Baron still has one of her axes. I do. I, do you remember when Baron had like a huge crossbow, one of Gren of her axes. I do. Do you remember when Baron had a huge crossbow, one of Greteldeck's axes, and part of why I took it was because I really got off on being withholding to Joe. I was just so happy that his characters couldn't use them.

So I had eight weapons. You got so much joy out of it. Who's the guy getting stabbed in the face? Those were a couple of giants that you fought when you are inside of Red Lake Fort, I believe. There's two hill giants. There's a man and a woman inside the fort.

Your encounter with them wasn't as memorable as this, but it's a great shot. Moving on, you'll see an image of the iconic Inquisitor and Harsk fighting Riverdrakes that looks cool as hell aboard the Chelish Devil the Chelish Devil

by the way not in the book I made that up on the spot because you guys were like what is what's going on

I'm like oh there's a there's a stained glass window of Cheliax and there's a devil the Chelish Devil and here's the map it doesn't have a name at alleliacs, and there's a devil. Oh, the Chelish Devil.

And here's the map. It doesn't have a name at all in the book. No, there's no name. It's just Blood Tusks Keelboat. That's crazy. That's great. Well, that's some of your best work. I wish I had named it something that didn't use Paizo's IP,

because then I'd make a T-shirt out of it. Yeah, I didn't care for that. I guess it was two years still later. It had to be two years still. And when I was like, why did you use Chellish Devil if you made it up? This was in the spot. I should have called it Steve's Sweet Boat. I'd wear a shirt that said Steve's Sweet Boat.

Steve's Sweet Keel. Problem solved. Problem solved. Now you're making sure of that. Sweet Keel. Look at that boat. Does that bring back memories? That's when maps are easy to draw.

Yeah, I remember those maps really well. My God, did we have fun on that fucking boat. Oh my God, because that's also the freaking... All right, I won't skip ahead. Come on. Well, there's Rag. There's Captain Rag Blood Tusk. Fucking beefy.

Another character that had a life so far beyond what he was written for. Obviously, we see his situation at the end. But you may forget that scene with him and Dalgrith after Dalgrith's death. So he touched a lot of people's lives. And then this son of a gun, old Coxway to Albrechts, the no-pants flute dance. She was so mean. She was so mean. She was really mean. Yeah, she was very mean.

I remember being in character as her and saying something to you. And you, you kind of got mad. I was like, I said, you wrote tell about your piece of shit. And you were like, what? It triggered my innate Irish Catholic biology. I saw it in your face. It was just like the tone of voice and the way it was said. It's like a math problem.

You're just like, oh, that equals Irish rage. For no reason. You're just like, ah, bam! Push. Yeah, Coxswain. I'll always call her Cox Swain. And then here is the map of your journey to Red Lake Fork, as I said, very often. I don't know why.

But you start at A. You go up the Kestrel. And then it turns here. And you go through Ghostlight Marsh all the way to Red Lake 4. But look at all the other areas. Like there's Urgeer to the north. There's Freedom Town where the assassins came from and where Melira came from. There's Vigil, which also came up.

But it wasn't featured in the AP to my memory. We never went there. No, you never went to Vigil. I think it's cool too. I think it's like in, like Galarian lore. I think there's like, I think it's a cool town.

Yeah. Did I, I, you know, when I was, when I was trying to figure out the ending, uh, where it would all go down,

I was looking at possibly having it. Basically, the storm tyrant is heading to Urgir to recruit the orcs of Urgeir. That's where he's going. That's where he's driving the castle. So he was going in that direction. So when I was trying to decide where it was going to crash, I thought about having it crash, like, right where you guys were.

Into Ragsboot. Yeah, or like I looked at Vigil and stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's a little too on the nose. Oh, it just happens to crash right on, like, a mile away from Red Lake Fort. So I thought the area to the south of that would be fun. But I did look at Vigil because Vigil is where Tarbifon escaped, I think. I think it was, wasn't it, like, built to watch over?

To watch over him. It's a vigil. Yeah, that's what it was, wasn't it like built to watch over? To watch over him. It's a vigil. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. And so in Tyrant's Grasp, the AP that follows his resurrection, I think vigil is heavily featured. Actually, it is. And I can't say because I don't want to spoil it for somebody. But some shit goes down in vigil.

Anyways, that's the map there. That brings me back. There's Melira. I think you guys had figured out that someone was a stowaway at that point. And she, with that bow, came closer than anyone for the rest of the adventure to killing Baron. Yes. She was the one that almost killed baron wow no one else came

close her companion was a real rough customer to deal with too right that's the snake right chokehold was it his name chokehold yeah yeah it says it right there yeah chokehold uh yeah well she was a ranger right and did she what she have like was she a ranger i thought she had like favorite enemy dwarf yeah she would have been a slave you know yeah she was a ranger, right? And did she, would she have like, was she a ranger? I thought she had like favorite enemy dwarf or something. She would have been a slave. No, yeah, she was a ranger. Ranger sorcerer. Ranger with one sorcerer level.

Yeah, and there were traps set up down there as well. It was great. I glossed over the Grian because there's no picture of the Grian, but obviously. Sorry, she does. She has favorite enemy dwarves. Like that's why. That's's why that's why that was so hard uh yeah face restribution favorite enemy dwarves plus two humans plus four wow yeah plus when that's a good mix ranger sorcerer yeah um and then here are the the maps that are included

uh in like the journey there. So you have the Hungry Crocodiles, the Drake's Nest, because remember you fought the Little River Drakes and you had to go fight the Mama Drake? Uh-huh. And then the cast, a Night in Need when you met Kaurian Blitz. Yes. That is the one. I forgot to poison the orc's weapons.

Yeah. That's right. And then the Marrow Dam. I remember that map, too. I remember that map really and then the marrow i remember that map too i remember that map really well with the little outside for he's a very you also have a really good name for that episode yes but there was a there was another one there's another map no there was another episode was like the next episode the the the title is great about the dam it. It's like, oh, frankly, my dear, I just blew a dam.

I just blew a dam. Well, that was another great one, too, because there was a run there. There was one episode. Do you remember, Joe, that we did? And I was like, that's the worst episode we've ever recorded. It happened right around the boat. I was listening. I was like, I wish we could rerecord that.

There was an episode we didn't like. But then it was followed up by three of our best episodes. But that was the Tog of War and the whole thing with Lork kind of talking about his backstory. That's the first time, and I just came up with that on the fly. I was just trying to intimidate him. And I was like, I killed a kid once, or a guy in my crew who tried to blah, blah, blah.

Just made it up to try to intimidate. And then that became such a huge thing. I mean it was part of like Feyraz's character backstory. It's crazy. Yeah, and then you – I think Galabras did Zone of Truth and then there was the whole thing with him and Gajnak. zone of truth and then there was the whole thing with him and gosh knock um and it was that moment when the arrow he like looked back to you and smiled and then the fucking arrow right in the head yeah killed her episode 38 i believe takes drink of truly if memory serves to prove point truly mango thai chili uh There's Cal Ramblicks

right there, by the way. Oh yeah, look at her. She looks more like Gwendolyn Christie there. She does look like Gwendolyn Christie. My former Facebook friend, who liked a picture of my cat once. We should have thrown her into... Skid has truly won the Game of Thrones. I won the Game of Thrones. You game before you die and here he stands

i still like to picture my cat and a joke that i made about john carrey once and that what was the joke about john carrey oh no no it wasn't about john carrey it was about the election in uh 2008 it's not not important i don't want to raise any hackles and she liked i did i when i was going back through this i was like I don't want to raise any hackles. When I was going back through this, I was like, oh, don't forget to put Calrion Blix in the finale. And I forgot. But in my headcanon, she was a part of the Knights of Highbury. But she obviously became very important. Yeah, she should have been like a general of the Knights of Highbury.

Yeah, I just forgot. Oh, yeah, yeah. Look at the next page with Tark Sinskin. I remember loving this fight so much yeah what that was another one that almost killed baron that means it was very very close very close but also gormley saved his life wait is this the guy that crawled he came out of the water onto the yeah they like hijacked the boat they like navy sealed us and and gormley like the reason you love this encounter so much is because Gormley was the MVP.

You did like multiple AOE crowd control things that made that fight winnable. And I remember being like Gormley was the VIP here. She was also up in the crow's nest. I don't think I took a single point of damage and I was just like stabilized, crowd control. I was just standing up there just area. If I was just, I was just standing up there, just casting shit on all these guys. Visually.

I think this is the closest to what I imagined. And that, that battle was so well realized too. I remember you in that crow's nest right now, directing traffic and this kind of brutal melee below. And like Joe said, the Navy seals coming out of the water. Great battle.

Didn't your gun get, this was the first time your gun... It exploded. Yeah, it blew up. I'll take another shot. It was so desperate. Lork, I feel like you were... Maybe you drew a fumble.

You were moving half speed or could only move... You were really, really slow. I don't remember what it was. Maybe there was a net on you or something, but Baron... There were nets being thrown. I think there were nets being thrown around. That makes sense. That tracks for me.

It's a hell of a fight. And then, uh, speaking of Baron, here's Baron's first love interest. The shit, shit covered Ingrid Hilden. I've got a feeling,

baby. Oh man. I'm on low. I'm on low. So I went back to that whole scene for the tease. Uh, it didn't make the final edit but it was in the original draft of the tease and it's just straight up grant walking up and be like hey

honey darling it's me i'm low and you're going oh you're not i'm low it's the first thing she says and then there's just a pause and i'm like well that plan worked out. I mean, it just became the funniest thing. I mean, we ragged on Grant so bad. And we barely knew him. I mean, of course, we were 40 sessions in at that point. But like, you know, that was when we were so mean to Grant and being like, your idea was dumb. That's when you knew he was really part of the crew.

That was the funny thing. I remember I was driving in my car in Toledoo ohio and i was listening to the next episode and troy's recap of grant's plan is for me the most i've laughed listening to another oh i gotta listen back it's so fucking funny he's just like i can't i wish i could remember verbatim but he's just like it's just like oh it's like oh i for like i'm on low there's my plan so it's like no wait but he's just like, it's just like, oh, it's like, oh, I'm on low. There's my plan. So it's like, no, wait. She's running away. We don't want to let her get away. We want to keep her alive.

I know. I'll shoot her with a gun. That's right. This is why I started trying to specialize in shit-talking bosses and giving eulogies to your dead characters all through the year. Okay? Because I can't screw those up.

I'll fire a gun at her chest. And she almost decapitated Lork. Oh, that was her real introduction. Yes, that was the crit card. That was the crit card. Was that a card? That was a card. Which I just brought back from the office today. I remember Troy pulling it out. I gotta go back and

re-listen. But I remember you pulling out and just being like like looking at me and not saying anything for a second was it a dc 18 fortitude save or something crazy like that maybe not 18 that seems really my memory is that i rolled a natural 17 that's just the memory i'll have to go back and re-look at it but i was like funny you it funny you remember just some of the roles you make? Yeah, that is really funny. We can skip the next one real quick. It's just the fight against the Hydra after you had finished the Vault of Thorns and were coming back. I think that's actually not a random encounter, but it's easily skippable.

But that ended up being a really hard fight against the Hydra. Yeah, because Hydras are a bastard. They are tough. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be, though, given that it was a Hydra. I thought we were really screwed. This is one of the times I wanted

this photo is reminding me. There were times early in the adventure I questioned our party makeup a lot, and I wanted a berserker or like a like straight ahead like melee kind of specialist because lork was kind of a switch hitter and gail was a healer and gormley was uh you know doing dead saves your life so thank you gormley thank you dead by the time of this battle not the last time matthew would

save my life look at this map here uh This is all the Ghostlight Marsh encounters. Wow. No, but it's also the entire Vault of Thorns. I can't believe. Do you know how much story of ours is on this one page? This little corner of the page. Wow. There's the map for Ingrahild, the insane dwarf.

Yeah. Ingrahild, the whole druidic circle. Yeah. Yeah, the... The Will-O-Wisps. The Will-O-Wisps. Mossman, yeah. Mossman.

Yeah, the remnant of the council. And the entire vault. If you would have... I would have bet a million dollars the Vault of Thorn was its... A full splash page. A full splash page. Yeah. It is the smallest, most compact map that winds around within itself, and it has two

levels on one map. Because J2 there is the bridge but J3 is where you found Della and we're like so many of us that's where Galabras was buried underground that's where Lork walked or as Silvertus touched the tree to bring Della through time

that's where we see the man in the floppy hat at the end of our adventure. It all happens in that room where Barry Connick Jr. was found. In that room. It's kind of funny because the way the map is drawn, it looks kind of more like a part of the marsh than I imagined it. I remember entering through there into this fey land

and thinking I was transported to another dimension. You were. And this often happens, not to denigrate Paizo's maps, but they don't change them. It'll be like the the water is murky and dark and the water will look crystal blue got it uh so they don't match sometimes it might be like a deadline thing we need that map and then the contrast thing like it's hard to see murky water next to sand yeah the way it's described is like it's exotic every

flower in the world is there and it just looks great little bastards that started attacking us as soon as we walked over they called the tender twig jacks twig twig twig twig jacks yeah they blinded baron oh no i think i thought it was the the lurkers in light yeah the lurkers in light that were flying they blinded baron uh for the first profession fisherman uh over the bridge uh how how important that became to our story as well. Moving along, we just see Gripwort here. This is the Mars Giant. This is the one that was

basically guarding. I think a Wigga had a Wigga's coven or a Wigga herself had recruited Gripwort to guard the entrance to the Vault of Thorns. It was a great fight and again, one of the early

giant fights because you hadn't fought a lot of giants. I believe this is before we went in. I think it didn't wasn't normally also so near death. That's what he just said. The Marsh Giant almost killed me. Remember when we looked at the Vitruvian marsh giant?

I was like, that's it. Oh, right, right, right, right. I forgot that that's where it was. I completely forgot. He had me on the ropes. I don't remember that encounter. So that's Bestiary 2. So that wasn't built just for this,

but a very, very cool giant. And the only reason I included this next image is so you could see Gorham's Thorn as the way it was drawn. Oh, cool, cool. It looks like a He-man sword kind of yeah it does kind of look like a the cartoon sword and then bramble blight god that thing sucked that almost killed baron too oh the biggest uh heel turn or trickeroo when you guys thought i was just being a dick uh have any wig uh stay outside the room

and then the turn. Oh, God. And the cheesesteaks trap, which was right down the walkway to get into the Bramble Bright room. And that fight. And the birth of Cannon Fodder. Oh! Episode 55. We had to explain why we are actually still friends. And after that, we got to turn.

That episode almost ended the podcast. It was so unbearably hot and sweaty. That was none of us. Yep. It was my, it was the hardest edit, uh, up until that point.

I remember I had to edit so much out because you guys were so angry, uh, rightfully so that like it was unusable, uh, footage. Uh, but like I was using shitty headphones i need to go do a director's cut of that again because i think you can like hear the edits it was i mean

i took a picture of it and i sent to you guys i'm like here it is the most edited episode of the glass cannon podcast you did that several times in the past seven years yeah sometimes i get lonely when i edit uh Here's Red Lake Fort. We're not going to go through all of it, but cool-ass fort. Can we go through the middle buildings? You know I included the middle buildings. Okay. Just look at the fort, and obviously K-8 down the bottom there, if we go full screen, that's where Galabras and the Gar met

and where we first see Brander in real time. And then somewhere around maybe K-32 is where you meet Droja. This looks like a real bastard to prep. That's a lot of rooms. And I was hand-drawing all of it. Yeah. That's crazy. On two levels.

Yeah. It was the last book that I hand drew. Once we'd gone to Minho's Valley, I was like, we're going to World 20. I can't do it anymore. Wow.

But he was a bastard. This was one of many maps that I looked at as I was reading the book and being like, what have I gotten myself into? There's Umlo

with his beard and hair all cut off, which was the most disrespectful thing you could do to a dwarf. In my mind, I always thought you guys would get captured by that raiding party and thrown in the bear pits with Dumlo. And the book kind of, they don't assume you do that,

but that's how they write it. Because they write it linear, think you're going to go that way. And you guys killed that party and weren't thrown into the bear pit. You instead came around and snuck through the grate. Great expectations. We crawled through a lot of poo there. You did crawl through a lot of poo and you went right to the second floor

and all around and eventually you didn't go. And I believe Lurk rolled a natural 20 in my memory on the grate. On the strength deck. On like ripping the grate out. That party crawled through two miles of shit. There's Droja, another Oracle that became very important. This was a turning point in, I think, the network was that Droja episode.

Yeah. At least for me. Agreed. Because there was a lot of times when I was talking to – I mean, how many times did I tell you, Joe? I was like, I don't know if I want to do this podcast anymore. I was like, I want to go do stand-up. I want to be acting.

I want to be doing other stuff. And you being like, well, you got something here. Nobody's watching any of your other stuff. People love this. And I remember you saying that the Miss – what is it? Miss Connections. Miss Connections was largely written in your head on the walk to my apartment that day. A lot of those scenes you just like thought about as you walked over and then just did it.

And it became such an iconic episode. Yeah, it was like my response to you it was like all right all right i'll do this and droja would look into the mists and see all of our futures right through the oracular i think that really influenced how i ended up writing adriel with the flames and the seeing and like i liked having like a hook there that was really neat i don't know if that's in the adventure or if you added that, but it was really cool. I think there is, she's got the pot with the mist

and it says, and she looks into the mist for things and I just made it a thing for her. But it was cool to throw out there that Lork had a child because one of the things that I knew is the mists aren't always true. So even when I said you have a true born son,

I think I knew that it was going to be a daughter. Okay. Or like I said, you have a true born child. Did I say son? Yeah. I believe you didn't say son, but you all,

you assumed son. I'm pretty sure you assumed son. And in my head, I knew even back then, like it's going to be a daughter. What about the episode made you change your mind? No, I knew it was going to be a daughter. I just wanted.

No, I mean, in general, you said you went into the preposition saying you were talking about stand up and all these other things. What about going through that and that experience and that story that you told made you change your mind? Joe, Joe actually convinced me. It was like like you've got an opportunity here to do something and there's people that are really into this you should take this opportunity it was joe really uh he talked me into it uh it's not like i was on the ledge i was like because i'm too ocd i couldn't stop doing it but i was just at this point where i was like i don't know if i want to put all my energy into this.

We've all had these low points throughout the show. And that was, for me, right around the 50s. I was happy with it, but I was like, this is taking up so much of my time and now I'm not doing what I really want to be doing. And I had a long talk with Joe and it was Miss Connections was sort of my response to that. I was like, all right, let's really try this. Let's get off book. Right, because that was a chance for you to write a TV show. That's what that was. That was not a Pathfinder session in the traditional sense. You were writing a TV show,

and it set a tone that changed the entire rest of the campaign. And the trajectory of my life. There were more scenes. There were more narrative deep shit than we ever did before. That's the entrance of brander into the larger narrative yeah it's it become it's when you take giant slayer and make it your own is episode 62 right 61 61 61 uh next up is general kargik obviously he became a very important figure and it's written in there it's like you can befriend kargik and kargik. Obviously, he became a very important figure. And it's written in there, it's like, you can

befriend Kargik, and Kargik will give you inside information on Grenzeldek because he wants you to go in and take out Grenzeldek, but then he's going to turn on you because this is his fort now. So it kind of all worked out perfectly, but of course, Lork, natural fives, the charge.

There's one of those Ogrekins. I'm looking at his step like he's not oh they released the top of it he's not wildly undefeatable no no no he'd be hard but he's not he's not someone you a fifth level character should face in single combat um but yeah no he's he's definitely defeatable uh yeah one-on-one though at that level that's that's tough yeah it is kind of crazy it is kind of crazy to think that someone of cr6 and level 7 would be a general as far as we've come now to like level 13 you know what i mean um but yeah no i mean i think that it's pretty legit because really i yeah i think 13 is like

god level and seven is like very advanced sometimes we don't appreciate how rare that's the whole reason behind dalgrith because i hate the idea of a bunch of level 15 people running around the world you can't have that it has to be so rare so when i brought like one level 15 person could slaughter every like regular citizen on the planet exactly so it's basically like when i brought in dog the whole thing was just he has to be legendary you know i mean like if he's going to be coming in at 12th level or 13th or whatever he was? He's like, he has to be world renowned, basically. Yeah. Next up is just one of those Ogrekins that you guys fought.

Remember you cast Silence? Yeah, that was up in the bell tower. Bell tower, yeah. And then finally the middle buildings. The middle buildings, which we talked about on a cannon fodder, but an early cannon fodder, if you didn't listen to that, they had this creature inside, Mubs, who I thought was really cool. I was really excited to play him. I can't remember what exactly he did.

He was a hill giant who had a cleaver. He looks like right out of Dark Souls. Yeah. He looks like that cook in Dark Souls. Bloodborne. And Bloodborne. There was a dirty old latrine, and then there was like haunts and shit. There was cannibalistic urges.

So if you go into the larder, there's a haunt that if you fail the haunt, you are afflicted with an overwhelming hunger for flesh, drooling uncontrollably. Those affected are compelled to attack the nearest creature. So basically it would have turned you against your allies. You want to kill them and eat them. I was like, this is going to be great radio. But it never happened.

There was that moment, though, as you guys were escaping, you were like, let's go through the middle buildings. And I just very said, oh, you kind of have this urge, blah, blah, blah. But there was no fight. I wasn't going to be like, fight mobs. But those were the middle buildings, mobs and cannibalistic urges in the latrine. Next up is Fabian Blix, obviously also very important. Kaurian tells you about Fabian.

Oh, my uncle, she obviously didn't know that her uncle's ghost was haunting this. The only reason I included this is if you go to the next page, you see the glory medallion. And it was the first thing that I changed in the adventure to suit the characters. Because it was originally a medal of Iomedae, but I wanted to make it for Skid, so I made it a medal of Desna. Right. That's where I got to sing Shonen Knight for the first time. It was in that episode. That's so funny. You gave it to him, and then you just took him out of the entire show two episodes later.

Yeah. And that medallion would be amazing for Sir Will, who came in like three episodes later. I didn't take him out of the entire show two episodes later. Yeah. And that medallion would be amazing for Sir Will, who came in, like, three episodes later. I didn't take him out. That's so funny. He failed the save. I remember thinking and talking with Skid after that episode, and, like, didn't it increase your number of channels or something and do other awesome things when you had it? Like, I just remember, like, talking...

It turns a one on a channel roll into a six. And I was like... Any is a game changer, dude. Game changer. It's amazing. It's a 5,000 gold point. Is it a next slot item? That is an awesome item. That's a really cool.

Any cleric or channeler, that's incredible. Really cool. There's the note exchange between Grenzeldek and Volstis. Obviously very cool. I think I handed those out as well. And then I can just very quickly here go through the end. There's that sorcerer, Pappy Guttercrunch. Pappy Guttercrunch, who had a headband of Align Charisma, right?

Yeah, I think you're right because he was there as a sorcerer holy shit sorry sorry sorry i gotta back this up for a second let's say gel stays alive let's say this item stays in the adventure did you reread this no right out of the right out of the book in addition once per day the bear can expend uses of his channel energy to dispel darkness of lower than 9th level. That would have been easy. To be clear, you know what else we could have used to dispel that darkness? Dispel magic.

Dispel magic. To be fair. That may have worked as well. We might have to cut that for time. Now we're worried about time. Next up is Grenzledex Bodyguard. The Manticores are here too. That, the Manticores are here, too. That's the Manticores.

Oh, my God. That's right. Oh, God, I gotta go back to that. The Manticores, the Grenzledeck's bodyguard's very cool. And then you see Iwiga in the back matter here. Iwiga and then followed by Grenzledeck. Grenzledeck, at the end of the day, was the first time we didn't fight the boss

at the end you know he would get i mean grenzeldek happened and then it was like well now we got to go just tell kargik we killed her and then kargik became the boss right and then brander kind of became the boss yeah that's right yeah um but that fight was was hard remember there was a haunt in there too that was making her unfathomably sad. And it made you guys sad. The curse of melancholy. Right. Something like that.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Ewig became a huge part of this as well. Obviously we, we talked very quickly in the vault of thorns, but then I brought Ewig back cause you didn't kill her.

And it's written in the adventure. If you read the campaign rule, it's like, uh, you know, she comes back, basically. And a good place to have her come back is outside the tomb of Nargrim Steelhand. And that's where she came back as Metra.

Remember? Come here, daughter. Hug me. And Matthew, just for show's sake, it was just a great moment. He went right in. Come here. Fucking turn, daughter! I believe I also dropped my scimitar. just for show for shows for show's sake it was just a great moment he went right in come here fucking turn daughter i believe i also dropped my scimitar and i think i i watched i think i

watched you have an orgasm live on podcast you're a good man matthew i don't care what grant says let's move on to book three there it is forge of the giant god and there or a thash in the flesh with his hammer in the background. We see, uh, Ezran taking on an Eddon. I just want to say, I really like almost everything about stone giants. I just really dig stone giants.

They have such that cool Easter Island look. They are intimidating and kind of evil, but they're also intelligent and like, and they seem. They're not even defeatable because they're made of stone. Oh, sorry. Sorry. They are. They are neutral. I thought they were.

They're neutral. They were neutral evil. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Most giants are neutral. But that's where competency of our opponent began to creep in. Right. But that's where competency of our opponent began to creep in, right?

I think I was thinking about this as I was writing things for the final episodes of like listening to him talk was like, oh, God, these people aren't just moving around without a plan, which is what it felt like sometimes. Uratash was a real leader. Yeah, we started to move out because Grenzeldek was a disaster. And that's when we really started to move into bosses that were bosses, it felt like. Yeah. That first image here is just a close-up of the Ettins. And then you see the forge in Minderhall's Cathedral. Very cool.

Yeah. It looks smaller than in my imagination. It's much. Very cool. Yeah. Looks smaller than I, in my imagination, it was much, much bigger. Yeah. Well, if you were there, it would seem really big. You, Matthew.

I'm sorry, is this in focus? Featured, featured in the epilogues of 326. There's a scene at that forge and it's big

and all these people are using it and everything and it became such a pivotal part of our story. It and honestly when you see the map it's much larger than how it's drawn here uh there's just a fight against who the hell was this guy you know what you fought this guy when we were in cape cod yeah oh yeah the cyclops this is the cyclops yes yeah we were talking the other day like what happened in cape cod you definitely fought this guy it was a night recording,

uh, right around when we were doing those giveaways on Facebook. You fought that Cyclops. Because Meshka, Della was invisible and she went down and for, and for a minute we were, it was like, Oh,

no one can find her. No one can heal her. Right. That's right. Yes. Joe. Yes. Was this right?

Yes. It's okay. He's a celebrity. No, no, no. Oh, I forgot about that. Oh my no i was gonna say is this

the hills have i i think it is yeah the hills have i yeah good good good title i was proud of that one uh here's here's nargum steel to you know still nargum steel hands tomb you forget that this was a part of book three this was was your opening to book three. And then you went to Minderhall's Valley and it lasted 100 episodes. Well, the other thing was, remember, the real start to book three is dealing with Gell. It's all us. It's all not in the book. It's all the fallout from Gell. Lork leaving.

Nestor coming in. There was so much narrative at the start of that uh before you even get to the tomb so when i think of the tomb i think of the first time sir will is in combat and this is lexington and the stairs yeah it's introduced now you see the stairs you see the tomb shaft how could he make it down those that shaft oh god that was a cool tomb that was. It was a cool dungeon. That's working the shaft. Working the shaft. I forgot about that.

Remember the tomb had like a view window? A window on the floor you could look down into the tomb? And Lockmore had like tricked it. You guys were chasing around. You split the party and came around. And Ingerhill died because you split the party. Right. And you fought these things. Next page here

is Stilgrit, the mother of spiders. Oh, yeah. Remember the etter caps and the... Gross. Gross. Is she standing on poo? Yep. Okay. No, I don't know. I think it's just a rock. We need something here.

But a rock. Spider house. Just a very small picture of Narcum's steel hand here on the next page. Did It Done in chat says, adding in a character like Nestor and making it work is what solidified the GCP as the GOAT. It's very interesting. Not too many people can pull off a real evil asshole in the party people ask me when people ask me about this like i always say the key for me is to find a goal that parallels the goal of the good party and make that more important than whatever else kind of mischief that the evil character would make otherwise that's all you need you know just

make it making them want to do the right thing for the wrong reason that's that's the trick it certainly worked for our show uh who knew nagram steelham would become so important at the end uh to have a change change hands so many i've never seen it before and i thought that it was way bigger than that well i pictured it i pictured it as like way up and I thought that it was way bigger than that I pictured it as like way up the forearm if you look at the art for Lockmore it does look very different yeah look at the next page look at Lockmore

you see it start to climb up his arm oh yeah yeah it's like liquid metal it just kind of goes down the arm Joe I think you gotta say the name of the weapon he's holding do you remember saying that name a lot? Hotspiat!

Hotspiat! You got a criat with Hotspiat? I forgot about Hotspiat! You know what's so funny is like Lockmore the Betrayer. Lockmore betrayed Nargrim in a, you know, a very different way, but a similar kind of

theme in the way that Nestor would betray Umlo. It was also an Argrimkin. But that was a cool moment. They're all suckers. That was a cool moment. Argrimkin. And then, of course, we see Stryacraum and Shinnerman's Fortune,

another little town and side adventure that became so important. And this is the Orimvorax, too, was around here, right? Right before you get to Shinemon's Fortune is when you fight the Oram Vorax outside where you find Abria. Because the giants... To that point, the single hardest and most dangerous creature of the entire AP. The Oram Vorax, yeah.

And was never defeated, right? No. Didn't it run away? Did it run away? Yeah. Did we run away? We ran or it ran. My memory of it is that we didn't kill it.

We didn't kill it. That thing was so awful. I think it was after kind of traveling to Skirgard, but it used to feel like traveling from place to place was just incredibly dangerous all the time for us. Like we could run into like anything totally unrelated to our adventure and it would just like survival of the fittest kill us yeah like random encounters on the way so you know what's funny a lot of the finale kind of just came to me over the past weeks i don't even want to say months but we'll say

months but months and weeks leading up to it but when when you showed so much interest in Aubrey and it became your rallying cry, I knew in book three that Aubrey as an adult was going to be in the finale. That was one thing that I've known all along. I didn't know what form it would take. I just knew like we have to see Aubrey as an adult because if Baron doesn't survive, it's going to have so much meaning. If Baron does survive, it's going to have so much meaning. If Baron does survive, it's going to have so much meaning. So that story has always been in my head. When you latched onto that, that's one thing I knew

was going to come back. Moving along here, we have Minderhall's Valley. Now, I remember seeing this. This was another one of those moments in my prep. I was like, how the fuck am i gonna do this there aren't even maps they give you like four maps for a through z and i was like i don't know how i'm going to do this and look at the scale yeah it's eight miles miles for an inch

they they get all the way to z they're mapping out locations with the alphabet and they get all the way to z is this the first time i remember the alphabet and they get all the way to Z. Is this the first time I remember you coming in and just being like, you guys can go anywhere, I can prepare anything? Or was that Red Lake Fort? Or you felt like sandboxing? We talked about this earlier. Every AP has their own thing.

You know what this thing was? Sandbox. Every book was a sandbox. Every single book. I feel like I can do sandboxes now, but it's miserable. And this one was really tough. This is the most Grand Theft Auto of all. The good thing is, like, once you go A, B, C, D, right? And E is where those, what were those guys called?

I can't remember. They were drunk. The Veds, yes. Oh, the Veds. E is where the Veds were, right? Once you got to there, then I knew, okay, which way are you going to go? If you go K, great. Then I'll do K, L, M.

I could just start prepping those. And if you go south, it's going to be this. But at a certain point, once you get to the eastern portion of the valley, everything goes out the window. And you guys did almost every single encounter in Minderhals Valley. Almost every. There were some you didn't do, but not many. And we had

God, did we have fun. It was fun. I remember during this completely and utterly losing any sense of direction whatsoever. Oh, yeah. You'd be like, alright, you want to go south? Or you want to go north? Or you want to go west? And I'd be like, I have no earthly

idea. Yeah. I would send you copies of this man. I remember off air us being like, why don't you just tell us where you want us to go? Because like, we don't care, Troy. We'll go anywhere. And you were like, we can't do it. It can't be done.

It sullies the purity of the game. You must choose. The Mike Krzyzewski of tabletop role playing. V, if you look at V, that is the barrier that you fought, I think, two tigers and a couple of giants that leads into the valley z is minder hall's cathedral um but q is where you fought the undead marsh giant whites uh right and i think m is one of the well look at the next map here you see like all the different portions there was the sunken temple when you guys had to go underground oh that was what we were were we suffering we had the the uh the giant fleas at that point did we or no we didn't get those yet oh no you got those

when you got into the cathedral and you killed those hill giants in their sleep and then you got fleas right and then we were just like because we went underwater for like hours at a time we were like well surely this will take care of the fleas but we looked it up and it's just like no like please can survive. Fleas can survive completely submerged for like two days or whatever. They're really, really, really tiny cockroaches. They live through everything. The Dark Passage is

the area where you fought Fungfar. And found Fungfar. That was all in there. What kind of giant was Fungfar? I can't remember what the hell he was. He ate rocks. I think he was just a troll. I think he was some kind of a troll. He was a rock troll.

Yeah, that's why I said rock troll. He ate rocks and shit. Next up is Gristlecrack. Oh, by the way, Nestor almost died in there. Do you remember that? When you were crawling away? Yep. You drank a potion around a corner and I think it was arguable in the

rules if you could have even done it and you had that look in your eye that was just like don't even fucking you know what go ahead just drink the potion because also at that point i think you could not have been higher skid on nester you just like you loved playing nor you were in the zone you're playing him so well and for him to go down in this random ass encounter do you know how bad that would have sucked if he had died then yeah and it was i mean think about the rest of the story it was close yeah uh next up is gristle crack this was a cool one for me i don't know if other people appreciated much but like you guys killed and defeated her.

And then I knew I was going to have her come back as the one that chopped off Lork's feet. So it was fun to see a character that was already dead do something horrible. And you didn't know that when you fought her. Um, so. That to me is always, uh, one of my favorite of my favorite ending of the fights. Cause that was the highbury charge into her skull when she was prone. Oh yes. That's right.

That's right. I just like, I can always picture that. I'm like, yes. And what kind of giant was Tiger giant? But that was one of the drawings we looked at at the beginning or was it no a tiger tiger is more uh it's not a type of giant i think it's like a bloodline like and you could be a tiger

uh fire giant i think i might be misspeaking but i think tiger is like an extra thing you have to a blood a blood in you that gives you special powers it tends to turn your skin this color um i think you might be thinking of rune giants. Or maybe not. I don't know. Yeah, I remember reading about it because you fought two of them in the adventure. Maybe even three of them. I mean, on D20, they have a stat block for a taiga giant.

It's a CR 12 creature. It's a straight up creature. We fought one in the castle, didn't we? Yeah, Sardassa, one of his lieutenants i can't remember it's like a biome like some of the other giant species so i think it makes sense yeah well there she is and then there's the marsh giant white that you fought um they were pretty unimpressive but i remember you guys being scared at the time because you hadn't fought any undead.

What did I... Oh, there's the Drake's Banehorn, and the only reason I included this is because that was that great find where you were like, grab the bag, fill it up, and you were fighting the fucking dragons. Yeah, let them see you do it.

That's episode 90. Well, it's a Sir Will title, and and it's good i don't remember what it is it's a play on will big willy style big willy style yes because you he he used us cross armor to grow yeah the chat by the way is lighting up big willy style yeah and uh and and i was playing umlo that episode that's just a highlight episode for me because he's just like shove everything in there umlo is the one saying that like take all this shit right yeah we all we had very different flavors of umlo we did the many lives of umlo i mean this is amazing skid you were playing the long game on umlo i know i was like i was just

trying to keep him out of danger as much as i possibly could that was skid's only thing like i knew that he wanted nestor to kill umlo but then you do these episodes and i'm like he is just doing everything he can to make sure he has this moment with umlo yeah that was his main motivation defense i do total defense i'm gonna hide like everything and you guys didn't have any idea you're just like uh skid doesn't want to play umlo today i remember a very specific fight there was a fight with a bunch of like birds yeah yes outside it was after he got to the cave through fung far and he went in the cave and he like ran back into the cave and he prayed exactly and he prayed that's right oh

i remember talking about praying for the cheese uh here's a question uh trivia question uh troy you can't answer okay um it's for the rest of you uh do you know who was controlling umlo when he died in actual combat yeah oh huh matth? It was you. It was me. Yeah. I remember just how mad Skid was at you. I was on upload that day, and he died. And Skid must have been like,

O'Brien, you fucking piece of shit. I was so furious slash heartbroken. And Troy had to calm me down, because he knew why I was so upset. He was just like, let's just get through this oh don't worry and oh god i was because it was so close to when i knew this was going to happen i i was so angry i couldn't believe it you know we're jumping a little ahead i was gonna say we filmed this and we recorded this in philly at an airbnb during a very early maybe the first packs unplug. And we recorded multiple episodes that weekend,

maybe two, maybe three. And we recorded that one and we were set to record one more the next day before we left. And so we recorded that one and Skid was devastated. And I was just like, I'm sorry, man,

I, this is going to be so good for the story. It screws up your story. I'm sorry, but. Well, no, that one no that one that one we recorded in your apartment the one where i where he came back and nestor got to do what he

planning on doing that was in philly oh that was in philly that was in philly yeah oh i thought it was definitely in philly i thought it all happened over the same weekend because no no no i was sitting on your couch like i remember like exactly I was sitting. Adela died in Philly. But Umlo, yeah. Yeah, but Umlo died in the cathedral in that fight. No, no, no. He died to slag giants. Was it the same fight as the Urethash fight?

No, the slag giant and Atena fight happened before the Urethash fight. So then it was right before we left for Philly. That's what happened. The long and short of it was like, I knew Skid was upset and I was trying to, I had kind of moved on from it, but then I was thinking and thinking and thinking and I was like,

I'm going to do this instead because it's going to give Skid his moment and it's going to make everything better and then also establish Brander as an even greater power. And it was just a win-win-win. It was such a gift. That dovetailed so nicely. It accomplished multiple goals with one decision.

Can I ask a question, too, to Skid? I remember, because you said it when you killed Umlo, the gutter trash comment, and I called you that. And the way I was playing Umlo was him not enjoying your bullshit as an evil character and like pushing back against that had you already prior to me like calling you gutter trash made that decision to want no no no that was that was what made me decide you killed umlo for real hashtag grant killed umlo yeah hashtag grant killed umbo chat hashtag and i killed and i killed razzmatazz i have a high body count in that book let's be honest here you do um but yeah the backstory of that is i was playing a lot

of street fighter 3 at the time and uh dudley is a gentleman boxer in the game and he's british and he would call people gutter trash when he would beat them up oh get out of here so like you know how like reuse like haruken haruken he'd be like gutter trash and then he'd throw a rose at his opponents so that was in my head when i was like what you take everything from me i remember that speech i remember like being like because we were treating umlo like a commodity rather than a human we weren't respecting umlo very much I think I was actively trying to kill him. You just didn't want to play him every four episodes. I enjoyed playing him. I was like, he doesn't give a fuck.

Actually, I was going to say, so Della died in that Airbnb in Philly, but something else died in that Airbnb in Philly that was incredibly important for the development of the show. Do you remember what it was? No. Your microphone? It was Troy's microphone. development of the show. Do you remember what it was? No. Your microphone? It was Troy's microphone.

The lavalier. The lav mic. For 70... No. No, now we're at 120 for all those episodes. Wow. And you used the lav and it died. And I still remember to this day,

and this shit happens all the time, Nish, all the time. Grant's like, it's going to be even better. We're going to put you on one of these. You're going to sound a lot better. And Troy goes, not an option. Worst idea I've ever heard. How am I supposed to do the maps working around this nonsense? And then he does it, and he's like, Grant, I sound

a lot better. Wasn't I doing this before, Grant? Why were we doing this for the last 40 episodes? I sound like I'm underwater for the first 120 episodes of the series. What I love, this happens like in small ways too. Troy came

out to me when he wanted to buy a new TV and he was like tell me what tv to buy grant i need your recommendation he bought it and then he talked as if i had never spoken to him to everyone he was like talking this is the best tv i found it myself research do your research do your research i did mine to be around troy is to be in a constant state of smy because you say things to him he just says what are you a fucking idiot and he just tells you all the reasons you're dumb and you're stupid you should never speak again and then like a few hours later he has your ideas if it's his own yeah he changes like one small detail and he says so i was thinking about this when i was on the

shitter and you're like I said this three months ago see this is the thing it's like Joe and my wife they used to talk about this you have like a little scam

you're like don't say anything you just have to convince him that it's his idea and then he'll do it but if you say you like it

and want to do it he won't want to do it right I remember getting artwork from like a designer and I would just be like, I really like this, but the best way to get it executed and out in front of the nation is to say, I hate it, because that's how Troy's barometer works.

He's like, if Joe likes something, it's garbage, and if he says he doesn't like it, this is the fastest way to get it. I'm just saving time. I'm not going to name names, but I a script out to that i was trying to i was trying to sell and um to christopher walken to christopher you don't want to name names but it was christopher walk i'm sorry i met with the exec and he was like listen i love this which is what they always say and he was like i think the only way for us to make it is if i tell my boss that I hate it. And I was like, okay, it sounds like it's going to backfire. And he was like, no, no, no, it works every time.

And then he called me the next day. Yeah, he didn't go for it. He believed me. Yeah, and you should have responded, by the way, it sounds like you have an unhealthy relationship with your boss. You should think about working for someone else. You say small lines with your own. Right, exactly.

I'm just going to zip through a bunch of slides here so we can get through, because I know we're running late. But next up was just Adirumi's Chapel and the Shrine of Fandara. That's where you fought the Beneos, those things that exploded and had worms inside. We have art of that. The Atkins did like a scene from that. That was early when we had the escape artist tier on Patreon. And then at Rumi's Chapel, I can't remember what you fought there, but that was another one of those artifacts you had to catch.

Next up, I said tigers. Those were smilodons. Yep. Sabertooth tigers. Oh, yeah. This is at the end when you see Sophia Keswick come through. She's coming through this area right here. When you first see that carriage in the finale, it's right here.

But now there's no Smilodons and Giants. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then there's Mama Dung. Remember, there was like a dung cart as you guys were coming into the valley. You're like, how the hell are we going to get past a million Giants? One of the options was to sneak in the dung cart that would drive you right to the back where the hill giants were. Right.

And then next up is Kragmold. He was like the guy, one of the guys running the fighting pits that you fought. I think you fought. Yeah. Okay. And then next up is Rotter Bloodfreckle. This is where you fought. She was like a butcher.

That was in the tent was a butcher outside the tent you end up doing and then you went and fought a uh a witch or something not a witch but like some sort of ghost remember they yeah it was right before you got into the cathedral um but it was right around that time i'm having a real problem here uh with, I feel like I'm like a time traveler and I have screwed up my understanding of the linear course of events. Well, you do drink. I do drink.

Why do I remember? Why do I remember? Uh, Rasmus has, and Rasmus has an, a tent outside the cathedral and Razzmatazz dying in the cathedral that's true it's all true razzmatazz came in 100 uh and then he was with the party uh he never really contributed to fights he was just kind of there but i don't understand that because we had

the side the side the kind of side story was pembroke and fer Faraza and Razzmatazz getting to the cathedral. Right. That was a side story. That was a side story. That was 100, getting them to the cathedral. A Gaiden, as they say in parts of the world. Lork, Pembroke, Faraza and Razzmatazz are in the cages at the top.

You guys rescue them. Faraza was never captured. You were not captured, but the others were. Farazza the Uncaptured. What a name. But, oh, wait,

oh, okay. So, so we had Pembroke, because here's my problem, is that Nestor leaves after the whole encounter. Yeah. So Pembroke is in book three outside the cathedral,

but doesn't fight Orathash. No, he doesn't. He doesn't fight Orathash. He bursts in through the doors and was running down the center center aisle oh yeah it took him forever yeah that's right oh i don't remember so you had two characters in that fight most of you did you know had two characters like active okay so i'm trying if a rasa was there i don't remember that i was a burst in with a bunch of as a like with a crowd of eagles that she summoned so this is what i wanted to mention is as we're getting into the cathedral and

approaching like this final fight it we send i was going back through old clips for the teas and when we send rathbitt taz in to die is when troy does the oh you know, I got it for you. Of course. Because we're friends. We're going to be friends forever. And like, it's so funny because we all know he's going into certain death. And you just keep layering it on, Troy, over and over and over.

How much he loves Pembroke and how much his loyalty is. You're my best friend. And we're all going like, Oh God. Yeah. I mean, that was so,

but like he became lovable. Well, I think it was too, for me, I always played Pembroke. Like he had almost sort of a sociopathic kind of side to him with creatures that either summoned or charmed. So like he was good, like, basically,

but he had this sort of disconnect from, like, creatures that were under his control. I love that because if you're as well-learned and you understand how summoning works, like Pembroke must have, you would have to be detached in some way. Yeah. And also, Skid, you say in that episode,

when we're making this like this emotional guttural response to troy's like hilarious play against you know the emotional play um we're all just like oh god this is so horrible and you skid as the player are just like all right just stop for a second and let's remember that red caps Are among the most violent Horrific creatures In all of Pathfinder lore In all of Pathfinder Their caps are red

Because they dip them in baby blood Like, that's why They're gonna be friends forever Forever Forever Forever Poor Rad I'm sorry, continue Why? They're going to be friends forever. Forever. Forever. Forever. Poor Ram. I'm sorry.

Continue. He had a good cutscene. Great run. Yeah, I mean, we can zip through a lot of these just to get to book four, but there was that two-headed troll that you fought in the nave of the cathedral. And then there's the cathedral of Minderhall. Look at this shit. Wow, look at that. That is awesome awesome i remember this map very well yeah yeah so when you look at that image now like it actually is it's not it looks a lot bigger to you um you loaded this into this was not map

this was not drawn anymore right yeah no this was we had to use roll 20 because look at the size of it yeah because i remember i remember someone climbing on top of the statue's shoulder, and like, I think Nestor climbed on top of it. Nestor was doing that. And I remember zooming in on the top of that head, and yeah, wow. Very cool. Yeah, that bottom, the thing in the bottom left, if you go full screen, Grant, that's where Atena, the Forgeheart.

Yes, right. That was her room there. Talking, and then Z13 is where you caught fleas uh that's where the flea situation was uh and then the beer hall uh up top which became our first frost giant uh yeah the first frost giant when will went across the table that comes up in the finale as well and this becomes a big image too and in in Will's epilogue. That table is full of knights. We move on and you see Farron. I love that image of Farron.

Another character that became so important. I can see why you cast who you cast in that role. Right? Was it Ruby Rose or something? Yeah. Yeah. I can, yeah. Yeah.

You know, that's one thing about this adventure. Like, there were so few NPCs. It was so much combat and so much exploration. Like, any time I had an NPC, I was like, I must latch onto them for dear life and wring the life out of them. Otherwise, there's just not going to be a lot of role play. And Farron, I mean, look at what a role she took on right until the end. She's going to get some good residuals when that finale re-airs.

It took me forever to trust Farron. Yeah, of course. Look at her. She's a huge giant. There's something good about how you played. And there was some mystical stuff about it. And maybe that's just my own BS detector around mystical stuff. The real life that affected how I treated the character.

Even though Baron was talking about Torek all the time, there was just something off. Yeah, I felt super suspicious for the longest time, too. You were waiting for the turn. And look at the next page here. We've been burned so many times at that point. So many times. It was, you know. If you look at the next page,

you see Atena, her master, did turn on you. So, like, why should, why would you believe that her student wouldn't do the same exact thing? They worship an evil deity. Atena was a cool character. So this was the oracle I got to play with here,

and it was an oracle that I knew was going to turn on you. That was a cool character. So this was the oracle I got to play with here, and it was an oracle that I knew was going to turn on you. That was a cool fight, too. The next page is the maps of the tower. This also became a big part of our adventure, because the dragon fight atop is where you first meet Noxemara. And that was the whole Demon's Blood thing, too, came to the head. Yes, Sir Will almost killed Deleth.

The spike tent, finding Lork in the cage with his feet cut off at the end of 99. Urathash's bedroom. The next page, another great image of Urathash. Very, very stony there. Yeah. I love the look of the stone giants yeah they're very cool and then next up is uh old noxymara you know there's a world where noxymara joins you in the final fight against volstice but i think i even said this it was like once things turned out the way they did, I just thought it would be such a more emotional moment

to have Noxemara's head come flying at you because it's like we're about to fight somebody that ripped Noxemara's head off. Do you think a lot of GMs use Noxemara as a deus ex machina to save the battle at the last moment if they don't want the characters to lose? Or just to even the odds. Like if Volstis has more lieutenants, you kind of have to put Noxymara in there or you'd be a BTBK in a couple rounds.

But I felt like it was going to be the fight that it was. I thought some of you would die. I thought if I threw Noxymara in it was just gonna it was gonna tip the scales too far the other way and i was more interested in the emotional impact of hiring having noxiemara's head come flying because now you're like even if we win what are we gonna do with the orb right um but i did i did feel bad because noxiemara ended up being a cool dragon character that had a a life beyond 2100. It's cool to become an ally with an evil aligned dragon.

Yeah. There's another picture of Atena and then another picture of Arathash. I'm saying, Naximara, this is actually the red dragon you fought atop the tower. Yeah, I was about to say, I thought we hadn't talked to Naximara yet. We'll see her in a second. But there's book four, Ice Tomb of the Giant Queen. Cool. Oh, look at that hat.

That's some hat. Wow. Yeah, Skirkotla looking amazing. You know, we can kind of bip and bop through this really quickly. I just like showing Jes yes per a rings uh artwork because he is phenomenal well this is this is also another huge transition in the history of the show because you have uh you have della uh going down uh not too long after this sir will leaves um because you have lork coming back uh with feet uh and i'm not sure how far in he becomes an elf but it's not that far but you have we go to bloodsorn vale yeah

you go to blood and nester leaves so now all of a sudden all of a sudden the party is lork baron pembroke ferraza like overnight almost it feels like yeah um yeah that was like it was like a bunch of like actors contracts ran out in seasons like it's like we get to them like the middle seasons of er exactly well you know i where's george clooney at the risk of anatomy without sandra you know at the risk of tooting our own horn you know they always say that cheers was the only show that like replaced two of their main actors and never missed a beat. People do this all the time. News radio, all these shows, like, replace actors, and it never quite caught.

Just. We constantly were getting rid of fan favorite characters and bringing in new ones and never losing a step and people point to those last the the turn of the end of those earth the earth ash fight into the beginning of the book is some of their favorite uh episodes of the show those last three episodes and then and behind the scenes in our lives that's when things are really changing with the support of the niche and patreon yeah that's when money really starts coming in and we have a studio and we're not doing this in our apartment i mean the or the orathash fight is like one of the first things that happens in the new studio and it does that's right or i mean it's like right it's a right then it is right yeah orathash is in philly but then and then it's like

it's like the next episode it's like one of the first ones in the new studio. So as the entire party was changing, our lives were changing in how we did this podcast. I used to carry a mic boom and everything in my backpack and walk to Troy's apartment with a mixing board and set it up and break it down every time and then walk it home. I used to be like, we're going to have our sound equipment in one room that we just when we walk in it's set up yeah yeah i remember and guess what we didn't get any faster at recording we just spent that 30 minutes bullshitting instead of actually plugging in equipment i used to drive to joe's apartment and it was when i first got my car and i would pull my like case out and like have my little stand ready. And I remember Joe would be like running before he would record a lot of times.

So he's like coming from a run and be like, nice car, man. I'm thinking about buying one, too. And I was like, you're just going to buy the CRV. Don't worry about it. And I remember him saying to me, I want the RAV4, though. And then he got a CRV just like me. Grant, and he never gave you credit just like I did. No, just like you. yeah and he never gave you credit just like no just like you i did my

research uh yeah yeah the transition between these books it happens between all of them like there's no there's nothing written and i felt like you really needed something for all of these now i didn't know like we're gonna go to bloodsport and bail veil and reincarnate lord it just was like we need something here and between 4 and 5 it's like Kragadan I look at the map I'm like what's here Kragadan what is that oh it's a dwarven citadel oh it would be fun if they stop in Kragadan

and something happens and then you get Mary Beardchin and then the Kragadan dwarves but it was cool to have this because it's like what are we gonna do about Lork are we gonna have do about Lork? Are we going to bring in, are we going to have you,

are you going to play Sir Will or are you going to bring back Lork? And I felt like let's bring back Lork. It's time. Um, but we got to get his feedback. And this is when Matthew and I had our conversation. Like, what if, I think you came up with the idea.

We talked about it in Philly and like Joe had stepped out or something. And I was like, he went outside to his car and you were like, what if I kill him? What if I kill him? And this is Matthew. By the way, this is always Matthew's idea. What if I just fucking kill him? And that's the end of the discussion.

I'm like, well, what happens next? He's like, that's all I got. Who else would I want to kill? I never knew that. I never knew that you were cooking that up in Philly. It's just Joe's characters. Yeah. You went outside.

We had just finished. And you, Matthew, brought that up. Because I had looked up reincarnate. Oh, that could be cool. Ah. I was shocked by that. That was awesome. Wasn't that also, and that was, I'll never forget this.

I'll never forget that moment, of course, Matthew. But I'll also never forget Skid being like, hello, little sucker. Like being the tree. That was so brilliant. And you played orathosh uh in that orphos i'm sorry orphos in that scene that was awesome challenging him again everything about gorham being like you're you know well we knew failure i knew where it had to end oh i knew fair rise was you didn't know obviously and it, well, I don't want this to just be a me, Matthew, and Joe episode. We've got to have something for Grant and Skid, too.

But Skid plays a wise old tree. What if we bring Orphos back, one of the best characters that had such a short run? Someone just brought up the whole thing. I was laughing about this with Samantha the other day. It was the cat Benatar, like, as a spy. That's what we went on. Oh, yeah. I was laughing so hard. In Kad a spy riff that we went on. Oh yeah. I was laughing so hard. You have beautiful taste, madam.

Madam, you have such a beautiful taste. Oh man, dying, dying laughing. Troy on that one. Because it was so absurd. It was just this giant jaguar with just a Oh man, dying, dying laughing. We got Troy on that one. He couldn't speak. Because it was so absurd. It was just this giant jaguar with just a veil. And it wasn't even like, sounded human at all.

What would you like, madam? Perhaps you would like to browse our wares. What a beautiful taste, madam. i totally forgot about that until this moment it was like the chicken boo thing from animaniacs that was like uh next page here just shows you fighting one of these badass frost giants i mean i just really let's zip through a little bit here uh to get you to the skier skier guard map uh there's skier kotla like the uh the the christmas card the Yeah, we're going to go to the Christmas card. But there's the bust of Skirkotla.

And then, oh, this is what I want to show you very quickly, the outrage points. Oh, yeah, I was looking at this. This was a system that I had to keep track of, depending on how you sabotage the camp. If you did it well, you would get outrage points. If you did it poorly, you would get, or vice versa, sabotage points and outrage points. And at a certain point you got boons the better you did and a certain point if you did bad things you got penalties they'd put out more guards or they'd give all the frost giants uh potions of dark vision to be able

to have uh guards going at night but you guys did pretty well uh it was just this little uh little sheet that i was keeping track of um and in Who knew we would be good at antagonizing you? Yeah, no, you guys, you were naturals. Did this system persist into like, because we were also, I felt like Ash Peak and being in the mountain in the next book was like similar in a way. Did it, did this carry over

or was this just unique to this book? No, it was just up until you entered the tomb. Like at a certain point, once you, the camp disbands and then all that's left is to go into the tomb. And so you succeed. How many points did we get? I want to say you got 17 is what I have. I remember writing it on a piece of paper.

And that's because we played poorly? Is that what I'm understanding? No, no, you played well. I put up the outrage points, but there's another table that's sabotage points. Oh, yeah. Like if you get 20 outrage points, if you, if you really just do horrible,

Skirkotlet comes to you and it's like, come here. Um, next page just shows you a bust of Noxymara. How do you, sorry, it says first line, if the PC is a lie with Noxymara,

how the fuck do you not, but you're like, go fuck yourself. And then she just burns you all alive. She's a CR 14 creature. the PCs ally with Noxymara? How the fuck do you not? What? You, like, go fuck yourself, and then she just burns you all alive? She's a CR14 creature. Like, what happens if you don't ally with her? It says this in every single creature, friend or foe. It's like, if they make an alliance with so-and-so.

And Noxymara's the type of creature where, like, you could easily fight her. Let me think of another example. Renfall. Renfall is an example of a creature that you may not, that you may fight. Yeah. Um, I may have gone soft on the diplomacy or like,

cause I really want, there was no other NPCs. I was like, I really want Renfall to be an NPC. And by the way, he is my favorite NPC in the entire adventure. I was thinking about this. Like if I had to pick one,

it's Renfall. My favorite to play. I agree. I agree. He was, He was a great voice. And people love Razzmatazz. Renfall's better. Yep. He's objectively better.

Tom Exposition, a lot of fun. But I didn't want to play Tom anymore. But Renfall to me, and he had such a great arc. You had no one else to talk to. That's why I made Thunes such a big deal in book five, because there was no one else. Yeah. one else to talk to that's why i made thun such a big deal in book five because there was no one else yeah uh because he has he has the he has the arc and he has the character development and he's also funny like he's got all the comedy he's absurd but also plot related yes yes razzmatazz is like urkel he was like did i do that can i hold the baby yeah and silly and it's fun

renfall was Stefan. Someone you want to spend your life with. The thing also about Razzmatazz, his funniest moments are his appearance, because you guys thought he controlled him and that was the end. You won the fight. And he's like, I should introduce myself! And his death.

You don't remember any of the stuff in the middle. Can I hold the baby? Sure. But Renfall was constantly a part of your adventure and a very important part. 995 sorcerer. 995 sorcerer. Yeah, he was like a senile old man. But also like he had such great, to me, he represented everything that that castle once was like we saw it as this like transylvania right this giant villain's home renfall to me made it a place that was once

great and worth saving like it all funneled through him it really he was the most important thing to me in in book six he really was well that's why I loved the... Again, I'm giving myself a handjob here, but I love at the end when you hear Renfall's real voice. And now it's... There's this otherworldly part of him, but then you get that conversation between him and Baron. I like that we were able to

humanize him at the end. Anyways. What I was going to say is there's a world where you fight Renfall and he's an enemy. So fighting Noxemara is possible as well. It's just they have to throw it in there. Oh, yeah, we'll let you know. And then just not.

Did that inform your decision to make him somewhat unhelpful, like throughout some of his silliness and stuff, that he could be our enemy? Like you were thinking like we had to like work it out with him. And so he was Renfall or Noxemarafall renfall no i just uh he's written in is like when they're in this room they might see an image of renfall there's actually a room inside of the tower outside in the crater where you touch something of renfalls and you see an apparition of renfall he appears and then he just floats up towards the castle, and you hear harp music the whole time.

You guys didn't see that. Your first time seeing him was going past that force wall into the room that he was killed in. But I don't know. I was just glad to have him. Next page shows you Skirgard. This isn't the Welcome to Skirgard Christmas card. This is the bird's- eye view of the camp.

That's neat. Another one. It's just like, okay, sandbox, where are you going to go? What are you going to do? Rainfarg is that wolf. The adventure assumes that you'll get there pretty soon. It was one of the last things you did. Yeah.

Yeah. Here are the maps that they provide you with, with the exception of the Longhouse, where you fought Gregonor, Hersey or Gregonor. I remember the Gristmill. Yeah, one of these I don't think you even went into, maybe the Tannery. I can't remember. So what happened in the brewery? Something happened in the brewery. Merple the Fox. You were on the catwalks. You meet hisy merple the fox catwalks you meet his uh familiar merple the fox i love merple that's right merple i can't remember what merple did but it was

funny merple was depressed voice yeah yeah we killed his bastard yeah he's really saying he was really moody yeah uh the next page is uh kupanarth this was three arms two legs i fucked it up too when i did the insect spies because i think i said like two two arms anyways this was who they were referring to right here's another image of that uh magrunda that's the frost giant we see at the beginning of the book and these are i don't even the book. And these are, I don't even remember. I just included these because I don't even remember who these were. I don't know. Aaron Gunn.

Never heard that name. This was the brewer, I think. He was a witch. He was a mess. Okay. A witch. You guys wiped him out really quick. Oh, I remember the Longhouse.

That's the Longhouse, yeah. Wait, the fox was actually named Merple? Yeah, his name was Merple. I didn't make that up, yeah. I think I told you guys. You were like, what's your name? Merple. And you guys laughed.

It's in the book, Merple. So here's what I remember about the longhouse. L5. I remember this room with the large bed. First of all, isn't there something under the rug? Or we thought there was something under the rug, and there's something actually there? There's a secret door in the back.

Hold on, I'm going to get to that. So, I think we were looking for something there, whatever it was. But then we find that secret door. We find it from the inside. We rush out that secret door. For some reason, we are rushing and we run directly into the Wicker Man fight. Yep. That is my memory.

Yep. Oh, wow. It did happen. Yeah, you were trying to chase Greganor. You thought he was going oh yes okay right we chased him directly into the wicker man fight and i was like we were not supposed to do this and this is somebody's gonna die and baron should have died that's one of those ones like if you go back and check the tape and do the math somebody should have died that day it might have been well i think we got the rules wrong we got the rules the pembroke's like uh save or whatever not saving throw but the way he saved baron oh the the teleportation the dimension door or something there was an extra action in there or something so he took an extra call me zach morris because I'm saved by the bell. Screw you guys.

Parrot lives. The Longhouse was cool. There's Gregonor. Awesome art. I feel like Jesper Ering did this as well. I included this picture of Thrimir's beard because, Grant, you made Thrimir's beard important for books five and six. It came in.

A huge thing. Every once in a while. Zipping along here, there's DeBellos. This was the cleric of Urgathoa. Oh, cool. I wanted to bring in Urgathoa worship since it was such a big part of this book, and then it became a part of

Brander's line and what happened to Highbury and Sir Will's brothers. You could see how someone could fall for someone like DiBellos, which is what happened to Bartholomew. And then there is one of the undead giants you fight inside of Skirkartla's tomb. This is the witch during...

Wait, hold on a second. Where did we lose Lork? You lost Lork against the tomb giant. Where's the tomb giant? He's coming. Oh, he was inside the tomb? No he was in the camp He was in the Urgothoa

Which I showed earlier When I showed those four maps Grant if you go back to Do you have an image of that tomb giant? Yeah So Grant go to 117 and see the map With the fly On the bottom, Temple of Ergothoa.

Yeah. Mork died in P3. The way you described, I can remember you describing some image or something on the ground in that Temple of Ergothoa, and seeing it on this map now is... I mean, I feel like I drew this. We recorded that before we had air conditioning in the new studio. Oh.

Yes. We're tied upstairs in a thousand degrees. A thousand degrees. Now go to 139, Grant, and you'll see the giant that killed Sir Will. Oh, there's the scythe.

Oh, he looks badass. I know Sir Will, Lord Brown. Yeah. He looks dignified. Yeah. And deadly. He looks like sure will, Lord Brown. Yeah. He looks dignified. Yeah. And deadly. He looks like the,

uh, the guy in the seventh seal. The, uh, death. He looks like death. Yeah. I'm,

I'm questioning the fact that he's not wearing shoes. He doesn't need them. Yeah. He looks, uh, he doesn't need them. He's dead. There's the Borrello,

by the way. Remember him? Oh God, the Borrello. Oh God. The Borrello was back matter that I just added for that transition between, like, going from Skelt to Skirgard. I felt like, ah, we need something else here.

So I added the Borrello. But the Borrello was just in back matter for book four. All right. Zip back up to pay uh slide 127 grant this is just real real quick that's uh the witch or the hag that was in charge of the uh the group that was holding nim nim and shiel oh right and the uh the carts the cold riders and the woolly rhin, right. And the carts. The cold riders and the woolly rhinoceros. What's the name? It's hard to read.

Berk? Berk? Berkvilder. Berkvilder. Yeah, she was some kind of a hag. And then the next map is the map of Skirkotla's Tomb. And to me, this is one of my favorite, if not my most favorite map in the entire

adventure, because it is a classic. It feels like D&D tomb and to me this is one of my favorite if not my most favorite map in the entire adventure because it is a classic it feels like uh dnd when i played it as a kid yeah i'm actually i've been reading i have like against the giants uh one through three that i've been reading it's in the bathroom it's my bathroom reading didn't i get that for you uh you did yeah so like that's well you should be honored that that's where i'm keeping it's made it to your bed uh but it it is like it's so much like i'm reading it like reading through it you realize like how much of an inspiration it was for so much of giant slayer and this is a great like example like it just feels so much like some of those big maps in that old D&D adventure.

It's awesome. It's a great, great map. T3 is where the 2PK almost was with the Remores. T3, if you look bottom right. I remember walking into T6 and seeing the underground tunnel underneath it. Yeah. And Troy saying, it's an error in the map. It's weird. It's like a mistake they made.

And I was just like, you're so full of shit. There's something under here. We've got to figure it out. And I'm trying to like not metagame but he's like yeah it was weird it's like a typo with the i can't remember what i said like come on paizo click that shit off i don't want that there uh right look i mean look at the map now like how am i supposed to hide that shit i know you can hide it and that's the tunnel that we end up going into then pop up in T10, right?

We pop up into that room with all the acid pools and... Oh, what are we talking about? From below. Dude, what are we talking about? Didn't... No, I guess Lork died in Ergothois then. I thought he died in T10, but no. The creature that you fought...

He was dead before the tomb. Yeah. 10 but no the creature that you thought before the tomb yeah he the creature you fought in t10 had one of the uh chain links of skircotla's armor yeah that's what it was but it was a it might have been another tomb giant that's why i'm thinking like oh it's the creature killed lork but it wasn't but t7 is where four bears died against the Dullahan. Yes. When you came back through. Just a fucking great map. There is the Dullahan there on the next page, the Decapitant Lord. Dude, he's CR14?

Yeah. Wow. He was hard. That's cool. That's really high. Yeah, that was a top high. That's a really high level. He's got a plus one keen lance with three attacks, crits 19 to 20 times three crit, plus three sonic.

And of course his ranged attack is he can throw his head. I didn't think that you could keen anything that wasn't a slashing weapon. I don't know why I thought that. thought that that was well i'm sure they always get it right though uh adam would tell us of order the amber die if they got it wrong he'll like write pie zone be like you know you can't have a keen and they'll be like oh shit well don't tell anybody oh yeah it was it was a tomb giant that uh was in that room if you look nefandros because the next page has the Gluttoner, which is another thing you fought,

because there was all these undead abominations. All the Urgothor worshippers were like raising dead. Oh, yeah. But if you look, Nephandros, he was the one

that had the chain link from Skirkotla's armor. There were two tomb giants. One killed Lork, and the other was this guy that was building abominations. Remember Anthrim Rhymebeard, thebeard the revenant yes the devourer

whatever it was yep uh and then there's own infectia the oracle of before one of my favorite names that's a great name and uh this is the end of this one you fought that big fucking thing do you remember i can't remember what that thing was called. It was like this undead thing with claws for arms and three heads. Where did we fight that? In the tomb. It was in the tomb. It wasn't the final fight. Well, you'll have to be

more specific. The tomb is very large as you recall from the map. I don't remember. Where did we fight that? I don't remember that thing at all. It was in the tomb, like, toward the end, but I can't remember. Maybe it was in T10? There was something in T14 to T19. What was on that door?

There was, like, the door had, had like a... Wait, T-14? A haunt. T-14 ended, like the main door ended T-19 had some sort of horrific spirit tied to it or something or it was a haunt or a trap or a puzzle. T-14 had Arthur and

Ryan Beard, the Devourer. The haunt. The haunt was the... Like, did we just choose to not walk through the front door? I thought we, like, couldn't open the door. Yeah, you didn't. You were thinking about it. I remember you guys were thinking about doing it, and you didn't, but if you did,

it was a horrible, horrible haunt. Remember you were, like, you had to say the name of the character yeah oh it was the decapitant lord it was the guy whose head was cut off because basically i think the decapitant lord like came to skirkotla and was like i want to be your fucking champion and she was like no and she killed him and like tortured him and cut his head off. And so his spirit was serving her, but also trying to like find someone to save him. But until he could remember his name, he would always fight by her side as the Dullahan. So that was tied into the haunt.

Are you sure about that? Yes. What was the decapitant Lord had something about the name if he knew your name if you knew your name he got some crazy bonus or like auto because baron was like i'm baron red heart and i'll fuck you up and you i remember you being like i'm umlo um well there was a curse we got in the tomb, too. Was that name-related or no? That was the geese.

Yeah, the geese. The haunt, by the way, was called Dead and Forgotten. When the haunt is triggered, a ghostly apparition of a female frost giant steps out of the surface of the door and appears to slice through the target's neck with an axe. The target is affected by finger of death. Oh. So we never triggered that. I feel like you never triggered that because you were like, I don't want to touch the door.

But it was a DC 20 fortitude save, and if you fail, you die. If you pass, something really bad happens to you. I think you mentioned it. I think you talked about it after the fact on the show. Man, yeah, I can't figure out what the hell this thing was but uh there were baycocks in that fight too is the baycocks the witch fires and skir kotla to finish off the uh yeah that was brutal yep killed two of you noxie mara there's a big shot of noxie mara necrocraft was that what it was someone yes necro? Was that what it was? Yes, Necrocraft. That's what it was. I know a few

people said it. And then there's Skirkotla, but the other pictures were way better. Moving on to book five. You know, book five was a weird time for us. I think that book five suffered from not being a great book, but I don't want to blame the book. I think it also came at a time when we were getting sick of playing Pathfinder. Would you agree? No, not necessarily. I think we just kind of generally burned out. It was a combination, I think, of higher level play combined with we started doing a preposterous amount of work yeah yeah we couldn't keep up with what we were doing and we basically dropped giant slayer as a priority in terms of storytelling

yeah i guess that's true out of like we just went encounter to encounter to encounter because we were we were deep into a and a at that point and a and a was successful and we were deep into A&A at that point, and A&A was successful, and we were like, we need to keep promising things on Patreon. We need to keep promising new content. And we start Emerald Spire right at book five. We start Raiders of the Lost Continent in book five. We're playing that, and we're all playing it. We're all playing everything, and we just got totally burnt. I mean, that's,

that's right into book five for me. And then COVID. And then COVID hits at the end of book five. When it starts getting good, actually, like right when it gets to the end is when we were, we're starting to catch our stride and then COVID hit, you know, I knew the limitations of the book, but yeah, I think that we were overworked. I knew that like,

knew the limitations of the book but yeah i think that we were overworked i knew that like i just didn't have it in me to add to it because i was doing too much else and so yeah like let's look back let's look back for a second at book two right in this show and you you show and you talk about how much you added to that you know that's not in there that all stopped in book five you just did what was in the book and it's because we had no time to do anything else i remember like these the ap is like they're not built for radio like they're built for people to play so totally like it definitely benefited from troy like adding in a lot of that stuff exactly that's why i don't feel necessarily like my position today looking back it's not that book five was a weak book. I don't think that.

I just assume that we were not giving our all to that book at that time. Yeah, I don't like using the excuse that the book wasn't good. I don't think there's any such thing. I've said that before. I think it's just... I also just remember enjoying encounters individually. I remember having a lot of fun because we were mashing. There were just a lot of fun because we were mashing. There was just like a lot of the same.

And it was another sandbox as well, which is not especially at that point if we are burned out, we just don't have the energy to infuse it with more character stuff, story stuff that's not in there

to make it more interesting and this is something we were talking about the other day is like i felt like i feel like i never really got to role play metra really because like how do you role play a god like like we're so powerful right as characters i mean and i had the same thing with Dalgrith. And I remember this. I brought Dalgrith in as a world-renowned monster hunter. And I specifically was like, I don't have any time to write flashbacks for him. And you know what? I don't need to. He is a one-line flashback character.

He's a famous monster hunter. That's all you need. You don't need any more. Think about the work that went into Lork, the work that went into Sir Will and their background. How many characters did I make up in Sir Will's backstory? You know what I mean? Like, yeah,

Dalgrith has nothing. And that to me is a representation of how much other shit we were playing at that time. You just couldn't put the time into it. Do you remember the plan we tried to hatch to do Dalgrith's backstory though? Oh my God. It would have been amazing. Race Backstory, though? Oh, my God. It would have been amazing. I'm still angry at Troy.

I think he made a really bad creative decision to this day. So tell everyone what we're going to do. Well, I'm not going to tell them exactly what we're going to do. I'm going to save that. But what we did was we pitched to Troy a full episode of Dog Race Backstory that was completely written by matthew and i and played by and where matthew where troy would play a role in it and not know what was going to happen right it was kind of a gift to troy as the gm for like a session you don't have to prepare and he said that's never happening and i'm never doing an episode that i don't have complete control of

and it deflated me completely that's exactly what you said it's exactly what you said what i said and it deflated me completely and i was like i'm never doing dog respect story it was a bad idea that i'm glad i squashed and uh you didn't know the story the story i know the story you told me the story it's fine it's a fine story but it just we it wouldn't have saved book five. We needed to find other ways to save it. It would have possibly made Dalgray something more than a joke that people just shit on his dead body constantly in the castle in book six. I stand by my decision, though I did feel bad that you guys were sad about it um i i do think that book five holds up better in in repeats you know what i mean it's like uh nobody really wants when you can binge it nobody watched parks and rec when it was on but

you binge it now it's like this fucking show is great i think you'll feel that in book five there's a lot of fun stuff in there and then when we got into like what I took Thune out of what it was written and I added Brander in, I think there's some interesting stuff there to the overall story. But it was just a lot of repetitive fire giant fights. Sorry, just going back to this talk. I think real quick, I want to say Miss Miss Connection in chat says you should have let Troy think it was his idea, Joe. Yeah, that's where we failed that's where we went wrong because we had an idea that was the problem i remember the second you came up with that idea and looking at me and i mean i didn't even need to hear the idea and i

was like absolutely not this is what it's like everybody this is what it's like if you want the behind the scenes of why no one wants to do anything with this is why this is this is you didn't squash it completely right away you kind of just evaded i remember joe being like are you have you written it yet and i was like no somebody's gonna be the bad guy all right let's move through this really quickly to get to book six uh again a really cool image of the fire giants and that's the thing is like it almost made me wish that book five was a stream because the fire giants look so much cooler than uh we probably played them or or or explained them as you were fighting honestly i've always been underwhelmed by the fire giants i don't understand it like early on i created a fire giant as the ultimate enemy for lork because in my

imagination they were horrifying they are and in dude all they do is just swing a great sword they're fighters i don't understand why are they not constantly doing fire damage to you why are you not taking fire damage whenever you're around them? I don't get why they don't do fire constantly. I just never understood it. I was underwhelmed as well, but they were easy to play because they were all pretty much fighters with just... Yeah, they're fighters, and if you get hit by them,

it's very difficult. Oh, Mona's here, by the way. Eric Mona's in the chat. Eric Mona! Hello. Hey, buddy. All right, let's pip through this real quick. So the first thing I want to show you is the lower level maps that I was given. Look at this. So I had a roll 20 page for every single one of these maps. Now, the bottom right portion is like what the tunnel looks like.

Grant, so if you go full screen, you see what the tunnel looks like. Like, there's no way you do all of these encounters. But I had all of the maps ready to go in case you did. And you skipped more than half of them. Because if you go the route that finds Thun, it's assumed that Thun is like, I know the way.

Come with me. So you were able to skip a ton of these. There was some more fun variety in there. It wasn't all fire giants, but you got that eventually. This is the book that I'm most looking forward to reading. Just because I know we missed a lot of stuff in it. Yeah, it would have varied things up a little bit.

These maps are baffling to me. This is so humongous. Oh, my God. I just deleted them recently out of World 20. I should have kept them just to show you all because they were a real pain in the ass. But you see what – Why did you delete them? Yeah.

Because I'm not going to – what should we do on a rainy Saturday? Let's play A5. What is that? Is it eating up your computer's hard drive? Why do I need that map? I'm never going to use it. map i'm never going to use it in five years someone's going to be like i will pay you twenty thousand dollars cash to play a5 and now what are we going to do put a5 back into roll 20 well no here's the here's my my issue is like the effort it took

to delete it is my effort then to do nothing you're undervaluing the space in your basement. I don't know why you're like, it wasn't in your garage. It's like, I had like so many maps for,

uh, for book six. Like, I don't want to scan through 20 mini dungeons to get to the map that I want because pages on world 20,

like you guys were going, let's go to the next floor of this cloud giant castle and like, Oh, let's go back. Like I didn't want to be like, Oh fuck, because on Roll20, you guys were going, let's go to the next floor of this cloud giant castle. And like, oh, let's go back. Like, I didn't want to be like, oh, fuck, hold on. Scan through all these maps. Oh, you're right, because you weren't doing different Roll20 projects for each book.

It was like the whole campaign was in one project. Yeah, the whole campaign was one book. I couldn't. Didn't you say you just deleted these the other day? Well, recently. I'm in the past couple years. Yeah, you said it. You're making up an excuse that doesn't make any sense because it didn't happen when you said make any sense it was like a year ago that i deleted them i said okay i just love the image of those maps

taking up space in your garage yes honey look at these maps i can't get my car in here all right well shut up and look next page is thune obviously he became a huge part of the adventure. As written, he's just a doppelganger that gets captured. Thune's a beef boy. He's a handsome, handsome orc. He shows you the way through, and that's it. That's the end of Thune. And I'm so glad he became what he became, because he was the only bastion of hope for this book, for us, I thought,

in terms of giving something to you guys that brought you out of just combat, combat, combat. He's the Ren Fall of book five. Yeah, he really is. There's only one NPC, and you did a great job of making him hugely important. Yeah, blessing him out. I also really appreciate the idea, and it's something that I'll carry with me forever that you really i never thought of quite but the idea of making a doppelganger a mind-bendingly like interesting character like that lives for generations and can take different forms they become an oracle of sorts just by their very nature uh they wisdom that they have when they're living so long. in a way that,

yeah, all because they can live these lives as other people, but they also deteriorate the more they change their form. It was really interesting delving into a doppelganger NPC as opposed to just

doppelganger enemies. All they are is like a surprise FU. You know, you're like, oh, come on! Usually that's all they're used.

He was part of the Council of Thorns. It was really fun to be able to have this character who, as he transforms, loses a piece of his past. So at the end when he sees that statue, did you know him? No, I feel like I did. He really – maybe he doesn't remember him. You know what I mean? But there's a part of him that is drawn to that statue.

And that's how I played Silver Tusk. I was always like, I don't want it to be an exact memory. It's a feeling. It's a strange. I feel like I know this person, but I'm not sure. It's interesting. Kate is here, too, by the way. Kate is in the chat.

Hi, Kate. Be sure to check out Time for Chaos debuting tomorrow night. I'm sorry. I haven't played with Kate in a while. I miss Kate. Be sure to check out Time for Chaos debuting tomorrow night. I'm sorry. I haven't played with Kate in a while. I miss Kate. All right. Next page. So you saw those maps that I had loaded.

Well, here's the next level, the grinder. Again, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, eight more maps, and you see what that looks like. You guys did most of these, actually. Yeah, I remember this. I just want to zip through this uh next up is uh reingar who was the uh magus that i really wanted to uh fuck you guys up but you were uh you were too strong do you remember you fought the fire i don't remember him at all i mean the frost giant

magus uh it was in this it was in the statue room where where I added in that it was statues of all you and the mural. And he said just put down your weapons. Yeah. His confidence, he oozed confidence, that dude. I was like, oh, wait. And it was one of those situations where Metra just, like the dimension door, just changed the whole fight. Just moved Baron away and Baron just like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

My initial plan, and I think I've said this on a fodder, is like I wanted, I don't know, I knew you wouldn't like throw down your weapons, but I thought maybe this could end in a standstill where they win but don't kill you and take you to the fighting pits to face Skirkotla. This is the fight where I wanted that to happen. So when it didn't happen until the Magma Dragon fight,

I was like, okay, well, this is the most dire situation they've been in. I'm going to use this as the thing that gets them to the Skirkotla fight because it allows me to, one, bring back Nestor, and two, wrap up the Skirkotla storyline because she was still alive. I have no idea what anyone in this band looks like, but he looks like he plays bassist for Avenge Sevenfold.

Like, he looks like a heavy metal. Like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, he looks bad. Screw this guy. I mean, truly badass. By the way, Eric Mona, yes, Billy Barty would be an incredible tiny murder clown. It's great casting.

All right, I'm zipping through here these next slides. Next slide is just one of the fire giant captains. Again, looks really cool and kind of sucks. I remember being... Well, I was pretty scared of those fights, but they didn't have... The fact that they didn't have dark vision gave us such an unbelievable advantage against those guys.

If they hit you, you're going to die. But if you don't get hit by them, you're going to be fine. And you guys found a way around avoiding those hits. Concealment. The next image is that of a slag giant. So now you see what they look like. Obviously, you've seen Ferran's bust. Not what I pictured at all.

But this is what they look like. Those ropey arms. Yeah. They're like the dwarves of the giant community. You know what I mean? They're forge masters. And there was a whole thing with slag giants right before you get to the fight with the magma dragon. But you guys skipped over that.

There was like a salamander from hell. And then there were these slag giants in the forge. And you guys were just beelining it to the area where you fought the dragons. And eventually were almost killed by the magma dragon. Bipping along here. Those are the upper levels. So D2 is all these salamanders that have made a deal with Tytarian. They've, like, come from hell to help Forge.

And then D1 is all, like, slag giants. Honestly, I think I may have even taken the slag giants out. I was like, we get it. Wait, wait, D4. That's where you find all the plans and stuff. The plans. And I remember going into D4 when we lost Jimmer and Thune, right? Or weren't we in D4 being like, we need to find them.

Yes. After you. So to E where it says to E up top, that's where you fight the magma dragon. You come on. Then you fly back in and you came back down and you went in here and you're like what are we going to do yeah i remember looking at these those maps and just and as dalgrith and just being like i don't care about the maps where's jimmer i need a flanking bonus yeah it was right around here go ahead skin sorry no that was just like that's just robbed Dalgrith of so much of what he can do losing Jimmer.

Yeah. Because having that flanking partner. Yeah, that was huge. And it's such a horrible swing the other way. Right. Because you bring in Nestor, who is a real prick and is constantly running Dalgrith down and is better than Dalgrith at everything. So yeah, it was a real swing in the wrong direction. Oh yeah.

Yes, sir, for old Dalgrith. Well, also, behind the scenes, when this all went down and you had the fight with the Magma Dragon, we had to the pits, I called Skid or emailed him and I was like, I think this show it it's time i think we need nester back i think it's going to add a much needed breath of fresh air to this book

because i can tell it's not resonating with the audience and no one resonates more than nester so i think we need to bring him back. So I'm going to, I think that like seeing this circumstance here where Jimmer is not there, we're going to, we're going to put Nestor in and Skid was down for it. And so he knew that that was going to happen. You guys obviously didn't know, but when you surrendered to the magma dragon,

that gave me an opportunity to bring Nestor back. Because he had let himself get captured. And then you guys got captured. And I think it was the right choice. And then COVID hit like four episodes later. Yeah. So then we take off for a year. And then we come back to the podcast.

We can skip these next to it just shows you the salamander would have looked like and then one of the fire giant lieutenants here are the the dragons of ashpeak this is that that map here uh e3 is where you fought this magma dragon i think that that was probably easily a tpk if i just let it go out but i i just had it in my head that I wanted this other set piece moment. Before I even knew about Nestor, I was just like, I want this moment where you're going to be

paraded in front of the Fire Giant camp and have to face Skirkotla again. So I used this moment, and I don't regret it. I think that was my best chance to kill Baron, but in my head, I was like, I'll get other chances. One attack away from killing him.

I like the way the story played out. I know some people disagree with that. They would have rather had me just not, just have me kill him. But I like it. Moving on, cool shot here of, had you defeated the the magma dragon that's what it looks like tesseract but you didn't well was there anything awesome because we didn't get the treasure right

oh there was tons of treasure there tons and a dragon's horde a magma dragon's horde uh i can't remember what it was but it was a lot so, to me, that was punishment enough. And then the final map here, this is, you know, we got into this area, and F4 is where Quivixia is, right? And that's when COVID hit. You went in, you defeated her in like two rounds. And I remember driving home and being like so disappointed. I was like, I prepped Quivixia so well. I just wanted to have a good fight

and they fucking mopped the floor with her. I'm so mad. I just want to, what can I do next episode to make it better? I know that the speech at the end was really good, but da, da, da, da, and then COVID hit and we didn't record again for over a year. And then we came back and the way it played out, you skipped the encounters in F5, F6, F7, F9, F8, F10.

And all of those people were just sitting around the table watching the fight in F11. And I think it was the best move because at that point I was like, let's just get through with this book and get into the end game of our of our story there's no reason for us to come back from covet and do a bunch of mini encounters that don't mean shit when it all comes down to like you've talked to quavixia she's told you like here here's where he is i i i like that but man man, we could have added another 10 episodes if we had done all those fights. 25. 25, you think? Yeah.

You're crazy. You just said the average length of the episode was an hour and 30 minutes. Like, yeah, that would be 25 episodes. Someone would die, something would happen. That's the thing, is like, you're talking about chances to kill Baron, chances to kill everyone.

Like, every encounter could have led to a totally divergent path, or kill kill everyone. Like every encounter could have led to like a totally divergent path or kill a character or something else could have happened. Then again, if you look in F2 here, you fought this creature on the next slide, the Helgegus. You think this guy's going to give you a two-episode combat? You beat him in two rounds. That was the Nestor and Baron combo.

So deadly. So deadly deadly for against melee creatures that was the first gigi i touched ac of nine that was the first gigas you fought the second one you fought fought would be the abyss gigas yeah that's what i was thinking of that's i thought you showed us different art because i'm thinking of the abyss gigas all right yeah that's a hell gigas one of these books has like back matter all about the ecology of the gigas. All right. I'm going to finish book five here just by going through all the creatures you didn't see. Not the temple priest.

You fought a bunch of those on the next slide. But this is Hydrokin, who was Quivixia's half-fiend daughter. Remember she said like, whatever you do, don't hurt my daughter. Right. And then there's Rex Scruggs, a hill giant emissary coming to speak to Titerium. Scruggs? And then there's Maja, who was a frost giant witch, I think, or maybe Magus. No, frost giant witch you could have fought, who was here, like, treating with the fire giants.

And then one of the fire giant ambassadors gervis again you didn't fight any of these guys and this here is in that giant thing is an eidolon like uh yeah you told us that like your character averxius yeah there's this little little dude here who calls that a great image, but that fight never happened. I mean, that's exactly what a Verxius looks like in my mind. Except, yeah, just a little beefier and not quite as pretty. But yeah, it's awesome. I was excited about that fight. If there were any fights I wanted you to do, it was that one,

because it was just really different with different monsters after you had fought a million fire giants. And then the last page is here. It's just Tytarian. Great page is here is just Tytarian. Great art. Great art of Tytarian. Really cool. Great art. And then the final page is Quivixia. Does no fire damage.

Don't the weapons do fire damage? No, they have fire resistance. Yeah, stupid. The rocks, if they throw a rock, it adds fire damage. there's quavixia and oh and then tesseract the magma dragon oh there she is pretty cool that's the their white whale that's the white whale yeah the white whale that's right nail of the balloon to the there was an early draft in

my mind of of bringing the tesseract back into the finale, just so you see what they're doing. But, yeah, fuck it. And then the final book of our adventure, Shadow of the Storm Tyrant. This was what I was always worried about you guys looking at, like, as we were playing. I was like, please don't look at book six at Barnes & Noble, so you'll see what Volstis looks like. And now that's an image of Volstis that's my favorite image. He's so skinny. Yeah, he looks like sort of old. Volstis, you must eat.

Yeah. Eat, eat. But it doesn't have bones. It does make sense, though, because in that final fight, I was shocked about how Volstis was a caster more than anything. I thought that he was just going to come in and be like, slash, slash, like slashing away. It's just the orb that gives him those abilities.

Without the orb, he doesn't have a breath attack. You can't call lightning and all that shit. It's just the orb. He gets the powers of the dragon whose soul is inside of it. Great, great art. This is all very fresh in our mind here, so I don't want to spend a lot of time, uh, going through the nitty gritty. I just want to get through this and then,

uh, wrap up talking about how we feel. Uh, so you see the next image is like climbing the ropes of the hanging from ropes, climbing up the castle. And then you see, uh,

this is just a general image here of, someone using the orb of dragon kind. That's him. I think that is actually supposed to be him. Dominating the dragon. That's a Volsus. You think that's Volsus? It says,

it says like in the intro, I think that like, that's it. I believe like looking at it. Oh, that's interesting. Cause I thought that was just like a man. No,

I mean, scale wise, look at how big he is. I mean, it depends on how far away the dragon is, I guess. But if the dragon is close. It's a cool image. You see the dragon sitting on his hoard, and he just fucking, you're mine now.

Yeah. There's a little tiny orb in his hand. It's cool. This next one is the image of those were the scorpions that were cutting the chains. Oh, cool. Cool. Oh, they were the chain. Oh, cool. Oh, they were so scary.

That's cool. And the ass giant riding him. And, uh, so fucking cool. And you see, you showed us this art of the castle. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh, wait, look though here back, uh, on the page with the, the scorpion, you see, uh,

the advancement track. 17. The PC should be 17th level before they face the Storm Tyrant and the Red Dragon, Akazareth, among the heights of Ironcloud Keep. That's one thing I read long ago. I was like, wow, they're going to level up right before the final fight? All right. And you guys earned enough XP to do it. But yeah, there's that wide shot of...

I like to think that's what Zephyr Hall looked like before the Storm Tyrant took it over. This next image is just a real quick one of the way the crater fight could have went. Pretty much once you enter the crater, you're on a ticking clock. And they suggest, like, round one, if the ash giants in the tower spot you, they start firing at you. But what you guys did, you just immediately teleported to the top of the tower, and it threw the whole, all of this suggestion out the window. Because they tell you, like, at a certain point, you'll see a scorpion go to the chain. And then at a certain point, but you guys just teleported right there and then came through the tower from the top.

And by the time you got outside, I was like, okay, well now I'm going to just have them run to the chains and the scorpions were cutting the chains. And it was just like, let's go through it. So the next image is the crater and you see all the encounters that could have been. And maybe I exaggerated a little.

You didn't go in the basement there was stuff down there that was like uh the the thing that was powering the artillery that could turn the catapult slash ballista uh was this like volatile thing at the bottom that could easily explode and kill all of you but there was also plans for the bomb that was beneath the castle there there were more giant there might have been a haunt down there and stuff. And then where it says D on the map, there are all these crystal lizards you can fight

that have hordes of treasure. They're like lizards that eat rocks and then turn them into crystals. I don't know. It was something stupid. But it ended up being best, just get you in there. I knew the castle was going to be enough of a beast i mean the only thing that the only thing that bothered

me about it is like how often you just seem to say that we like we ran out of the caldera and missed all this stuff i i i mainly want you to feel it felt to me so cinematic and so awesome. Like, we got into this fight, we see that they're like, oh shit, they're here. We gotta go, we gotta go. And it's just our cutting chains and we're like, you're not getting anywhere. And the whole thing was awesome to me. I didn't feel like

anything was left unexplored in the way that we did it. It just felt like it was fun. There was no other way to do it. There was no other way to do it when you made that decision. There was just a lot to do it when you made that decision. There was just a lot more stuff there that you didn't see. Yeah, sometimes Troy talks to us as if we should have taken the scenic route to drive our wife to the hospital for like... While she's in labor. Yeah, while she's in labor. Yeah, no, it could have been more cinematic hanging from the chains as it's trying to cut.

Oh my God. A dog race got hit while he was on the chain. He was like the one that couldn't fly. It was awesome. Yeah, that was cool. Next page just shows you one of the ash giant artillerists, and you see how gross they are. They almost have like a tricorn-style hat.

It's like a different type of helm and armor i like that uh the next page is an image of old croft and old croft was like one of uh whatchamacallit he was one of volstice's like main guys he was the guy that also uh that that created the chains that held the uh the castle the castle in place. Cause remember you find in book five requisition for requisitions for chains for whole craft. Like he's the one that helped, uh, take that over.

And he had a very interesting story. I can't remember that you would like never find out about, about his like sores on his face and stuff. I can't remember what it was. Um, but anyways, he was pretty gross, and you guys wiped him out with ease.

Next page is the Yao Guai that came flying down when you reached the top of the chain. And then we get to the first map. And... Ooh, that's a doozy. You guys went to every single room in Iron Cloud Keep. There was not a single

room or secret area that you did not go to. So you see what I was up against. Again, another just fucking sandbox. There are five of these maps that are all just as populated as this, and that was

the end of our adventure. Joe, you might recognize this enemy on the next page. Is this Krellin? Is that who did Dalgrit? Who got Dalgrit? Oh, yeah. That art is amazing. That's cool. Yeah, the Inquisitor from Nidal, right?

That's so cool. Yeah, Inquisitor of Zond Kuthon. Oh, the cloud giant morgue who almost got Nestor, right? Yeah, next page is the cloud giant. And that's when Nestor, right? Yeah. Next page is the cloud giant morgue. And that's when Nestor, that's when Skid was like, I'm never walking into a room first again. It doesn't make any sense. I'm never doing it again.

Yeah. I included a picture of the cloud diadem on the next page, just so you can see. Imagine that dangling from the Stormtown's phallus. I love how artifacts don't have gold point, gold piece values. Priceless. Next up is the first of the generals,

Sirdasa. And again, if you leave any of these generals alive, like you did in Albia, they join Volstis in the final fight. So there's a world where like, they're all there. Where did we fight Sirdasa?

Right when you came to that next level and you walked towards that pit and a chain animated to grab Sir Will and pull him into the shaft. Oh, God, I hated that fight. Sirdasa pushed the bookcases over, remember? And then she came up. It was Sir Will's first fight back.

I have been writing this. Oh, I was so angry, because, like, immediately Lexington got pulled. Oh, God. I have been writing this name down as ser space d-a-s-s-a i got like the dasa part right but i thought it was like sir space dasa wow i ever told you guys how i thought the actor omar sharif because i like hadn't seen when i was young my mom was a big fan so she talked him. And I thought she was referring to the female actor, O. Marsha Reif, for many, many years. O. Marsha Reif.

O. Marsha Reif. O. Marsha Reif. Sardassa was a taiga giant that met Volstis early on in his adventuring days. And she is the one that gifted him with this thing called the black comet heart that he used to take down iron cloud keep when it was Zephyr Hall. It was this like returning comet that he threw. And that's why there's a hole in the atmosphere around the keep that, uh, Naxi Mara with Sir Will and Adriel could fly through because Volstis used the black comet heart that Sardassa gave him

to puncture the protective field around it, and that's how the storm giants were able to come in and take over the castle. So she has a really cool connection to Volstis, and that's why he trusted her, but you guys were able to take her out. Volstis and that's why he trusted her but you guys were able to take her out next image is just the little serving wood giant that

turns into the dragon and then next up the next map so the second and third floor look at these fucking maps I mean just F-36 is the orc party that we busted up Metro was so excited to do that aoe on them that was a fun

fight that was really yeah it was fun to fight orcs again it was like nostalgic to fight orcs after all that time it all came full circle yeah oh f41 that's the chapel right where sir will gets gets un-enseigned by Renfall. And then F-39, that was a tough fight against the Elementals. Yeah, this is all obviously much clearer in our memory. This is just in the last year. It just happened. And there's the big fight with the tree that came to life outside at F-30. That was tough.

That one was tough. That was tough. The next image is just a general cloud giant veteran that you fought a bunch of those. They were on the... They were shooting crossbows at you. They all had a scope on their weapons that could see invisible.

So that's why in that flashback, when Olgraf looks through the thing, he can see Brander as a dragon flying with Jimmer because though he was invisible, you can see invisible with the scope. That's cool. And a sea invisibility scope. I never heard of that. Scope of Stormside. It was written for this adventure.

The next image is General Numerak. He was the orc general that had come here. He thought he was there to treat with Volsus, but Volsus was just, like, humoring them. He considered them trash. Next up is, of course, the Abysgiga Skaternam. We will not talk about that fight. Best fight ever.

Best fight ever. Really us at the top of our game. There's Nalbia. We've talked about her on the show obviously she made it to the end I couldn't do anything with her she's an 8th level witch against 17th level characters she kept running away

and that did a lot Joe and I talked about this on the special bonus cannon fodder last week I'm very happy with the way I was able to use her in the final fight, because I just let her use scrolls to kind of just needle away at you, and obviously to distract Jimmer

away from fighting the Storm Gyrant. So she did her part, but one-on-one, you guys would have killed her. Here's someone who was a big thorn in your side. The Spirit naga. Linaratus, of course. That face.

We can skip ahead two slides to 194. Grant, this is just the fourth and the fifth floor. That's the end of the map. So the one good thing is the higher you got, there were less locations

that I had to prep, but the locations got increasingly harder because I knew that one of these was going to be where you fought the Storm Tyrant. There was an early thought in my mind that it would happen in F-54 on that walkway. When Metra, after the Linaratus fight, after you were chasing her,

you went up to the observatory and you saw that walkway. I thought about dropping it right there, but I was like, it doesn't feel right. Let's see what they do. And you then went downstairs. I'm like, good, I don't want to have to decide this now. But in the book, it's written like, you could encounter Volstis in F-54.

This seems self-evident now that the progression is like bottom to higher, gets harder as you ascend. I think one of the best things that we had happen was finding the secret stairs and breaking up. Like we didn't wipe out a full floor. We kind of took little endeavors into these floors and came back and it split up kind of the linearity of it. Yeah.

And that's pretty much it. The next page is the bust of Volstis, which is just a great close-up shot of him. Yeah, it's good art, too. The next page I've seen a lot of people share, but you guys may have not seen it. It's Volstis atop a Khazareth fighting you. Oh, that's cool.

Oh, yeah. Is that the Barbarian? Amiri. Yeah, that's Amiri. Flying Amiri and Flying Harsk. Cool. Has Amiri been in the artwork throughout? Constantly, yeah. Okay.

I didn't notice it. I saw the Inquisitor a bunch. Yeah, it seems like it's Harsk, Amiri, the Inquisitor, yeah. Okay. I didn't notice it. I saw the Inquisitor a bunch. Yeah, it seems like it's Harsk, Amiri the Inquisitor, and Ezran. Yeah. And that's probably the orb of storms and not the orb of dragon. Right. And then the final images are just that of Renfall's stat block. And if you go back to, if you don't look at his picture and just look at during combat,

Renfall avoids combat as much as possible. If forced to fight, he relies almost exclusively on the massive damage his corrupting cut can afflict on the living, coupled with any spells that might be of use. So if you don't befriend him, he could fuck you up. He's CR 17.

And then the final image is that of Volstis, the storm tyrant. And those are the six books of the Giant Slayer Adventure Path. A big shout-out to Michael, who is employee two, employee three of the Glass Cannon Network. He's been doing a shit ton of work uh for me specifically and then he uh put this entire slideshow together so thank you michael that was a lot of work thank you michael he's also manning the chat tonight that's him as the glass cannon oh i'm pretty sure right uh pretty sure and michael has uh been instrumental on our new show that debuts tomorrow night time for chaos massive, Massive Neolithic, but I've been sitting on these books for seven years.

It's nice to, it's nice to finally show them to other people. Now you can, now you can delete them and get them out of your garage. These are taking up a lot of space in my attic right now. Yeah. I got to clean out the shed. I know we're running long,

but can I ask you, you Troy, what was your favorite book to run? My favorite book to run was probably, well, hindsight's 20-20, right? But I feel like book two was my favorite book to run. I think that was my favorite to play. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know if it's my favorite book to run.

It's just my favorite book of the adventure. to play. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know what's my favorite book to run. It's just my favorite book of the adventure. Um, I enjoyed book four,

uh, but I really just wanted you guys to get into the two because then I knew it would become easier to prep. I liked the, the sabotage elements of book four. I liked sneaking around a camp. Yeah. Yeah. Book four was pretty great.

And turning them on each other and planting evidence. That was really fun. But yeah, book two is obviously the best written adventure, I feel like. It's just so incredible. On that boat, it's like a season of Star Trek.

It's like you're all on this boat going from location to location. Going into incredibly dangerous unknown territory. And I'll tell you, when I was in it, I didn't enjoy it because I didn't know how to prep it. I didn't prep it like I prep now, where I would write a bunch of possible dialogue or anything like that.

I was just like, making it up on the spot with you guys. But I think that rawness is what makes it so memorable memorable now because it wasn't overdone it was also so great good it was just so much uh danger happening outside of the boat that it felt like we were in a submarine and with not knowing who to trust on the on the crew like there was it was a pressure cooker on the river and that's what i loved about it yeah it was great it was midnight on the area express who's the who's the killer yeah i take it back uh we're incorrect book two i think is the best written book of the ap book three i think is our best work on the podcast as players and jam together like? The amount of characters that pass through that time in the story and the amount that we did to shake up and change

the whole rest of the story, it's all in book three. Well, book three has episode 100, which was the first true homebrew. And the last three episodes of that book, the Earth-Ash fight leading up to Della's death and Umlaut's death and Resurrection and Brander is the Dragon. I mean, I've seen it all weekend long as people talk about what is their – they always cite those last three episodes as being like game changers. So if you could just stick around for 120 episodes, we got you.

Yeah. We'll look at it. Yeah. It only takes us 125 – no, it's like 132 episodes to get into a recording studio. If you can get through that, it's wild. You'd be home for ages. But I loved – I have weird memories about Six – I mean about Five, but like I loved Six. I really did love Six because I felt like it was right around book six that I was starting to feel confident in my ability to run the game.

You know what I mean? Like, I know I can run a story, but I started to feel from doing Strange Aeons and playing in Skids games and running SideQuest, SideSesh, I just, I was starting to feel more comfortable running this game. And I didn't through a lot of those early books. I just kind of wung it. And I didn't through a lot of those early books. I just kind of wung it. And I don't know. I look back on it fondly, even though it's in our not-so-distant past. And the variety in book six was so cool.

You fought every creature imaginable. It wasn't just giant, giant, giant. You were prepared for giants, and you fought everything but. How do you guys feel now are you like uh do you think you'll miss it i think a day will come you're like i kind of want to step yeah i mean i i'm i think i i uh i'm glad that like i wish i had a similar record for all like campaigns i've played like for my whole life it would be so nice like the campaigns that i played in like high school middle school if i had a recording of them it could go back to those moments it's so it's such a blessing to have that now like as i get older you know you can look back on this and remember specifically the accuracy,

this time in our lives that was so important. I think it's great, and it does make me sad, but it also makes me, just sitting here, how glad I am that I'm still going to be running Legacy of the Ancients and Raiders of the Lost Continent for the foreseeable future. Raiders of the Lost Continent for the foreseeable future. It just, this makes me all the more excited to, you know, keep playing those. And yeah, so it's a silver lining.

Yeah, it is pretty wild that we have this entire adventure we could go back to anytime and so many other people can listen to it. And it's done. It's a complete story. It's a long story, but it's, it's there. And, and yeah, you know,

it's not only just a story, but it's a moment in time in our lives. Like we were talking about as we were doing the finale, like God, seven years ago, our lives are so different. None of us were married except Grant. No,

he had kids. And now we've said, well, think about when we listened to it 10 years from now, how much will have changed or even seven years from now. So it's, it's like a fun little time. Thinking about like like y'all's kids like listening to this someday and like you know my like nephews like i that the thought if they even want to but like it's there for them like

if they want to like i i wish i had something of my uh elders that like left something of this for me like i that would be really cool. So that's cool too. Yeah. I always think about like how are my parents don't have like a ton of pictures of them. You know what I mean? Like in the seventies, sixties, you have a,

you have a handful of pictures from your wedding and maybe there's some baby pictures. Like a snippet of a eight millimeter home movie. It's just like, you know, five seconds or something. Now everything's photographed, you know, there's pictures of me and my wife like wasted at a christmas party like our kids are good i've got hundreds of those uh but like well we also have a 326 episode story that

we put on that is out there for uh generations of our families to enjoy and friends so yeah do you guys have any, uh, any questions that you never got to ask? I think I asked them all today. We got them out. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, there's some secrets I'll certainly never tell. Um, but I, uh, I'm glad we did this. Me too. Worked this. Me too. Worked out.

Me too. Not tonight. The, the, the entire show. Yeah. No, I'm definitely glad.

I mean, I'm definitely not glad we did this. Yeah. The campaign was great. This is exhausting. Uh, yeah, no,

it was, it was, yeah, it's just amazing to think about, like, not too many people get to do a seven-year campaign with the same players and finish it. So it's a rare gift that we're very lucky. And to have so many people joining us for it, you know,

at the time and, like, in the future, you know, that's a cool legacy to leave. and i mean i don't want to sound like a shill but there's really there's absolutely no way this ap gets finished without the nash it would never have happened because the changes in our lives it's the easiest thing in the world as soon as you have a kid to just be like, I don't have time for a campaign. I'm sorry, guys. I'll bow out. And then somebody's got to find another player to slot in, do whatever.

But when you're like, this is the thing that makes the money for my child, I have to do it. I have no choice. I have to do it. My hands are tied. And so thanks to you guys, we got to finish a campaign that never would have been finished if it wasn't for you. So thank you.

Because it came at a time when we really just started to get so many responsibilities heaped upon us. And the first thing that gets cut is your gaming, which sucks. So this was our scam to keep it going. Totally. Exactly. Exactly. And we did it. And we did it. And we did it.

We pulled off the lie. But it's a job. We can go back to our other jobs. What was I just going to say? I forgot, but it probably wasn't that great. I don't know. I'm just, I'm really glad we did this. And I don't think people realize there was a lot of times along the way when this could have easily ended for any number of reasons.

And we stuck it out and did it. And, oh, this is what I was going to say. It's like over the past couple of days since the finale dropped, i've been like trying to read as much as possible uh people's responses because i want to see how it lands on people and what people think and the questions they have and and everything and like it is it has been absolutely impossible to keep up the the outpouring of love and affection for you know not just the finale but the entire uh story and what this has meant to so many people. It is not lost on us. I've tried, I can't possibly read everything at this point, because there's so much. You go on the subreddit, and it's just post after post after post,

not even within the episode threads, but people just like putting their own posts that are like, thank you, this is what, I was at this point in my life, and this is what the Glass Cannon podcast did for me. I was at this point in my life, and this is what the Glass Cannon Podcast did for me. I was at this point in my life, and this is what the Glass Cannon Podcast did for me. So as happy as we are to go through this, we're so grateful that what we made meant so much to so many people. Obviously, it has meant so much to us,

but it adds that extra, completely necessary level of fulfillment that it meant so much to you. And as we said – And everybody who sends in emails to our generic email boxes and everything like that, like I'm sorry you don't get responses to everything. But I see all those emails come through and they're amazing. They're so wonderful. So thank you so much. And I was just going to say, as we said on the show at the end of the episode, this is

just the beginning. We have many, many more stories to tell, and hopefully without the hiccups that may have been there along the way with this. So with that, I think it is time to finally close the book on Giant Slayer, close the book on this first adventure of the Glass Cannon podcast. It's something we'll always talk about. I'm sure we go to Portland and Seattle next week. That's all people are going to want to talk about. But when you listen to that finale and you have questions like, what does this mean? What does that mean? No one's going to give you the answer. Those questions are for you to figure out. I want you to now take this story and run through it in your head where you think everybody goes.

I will give you one answer, though, because I did see this mentioned a couple times. Please make a character that is a Knight of Highbury in your home game. That is exactly what that shit was intended for. Please do it. Instead of the Knights of Ozem, you have the Knights of Highbury now. Bring it to your home game, please. For the Rose! And the Knight! Folks, we will see you real soon with, uh, with a new adventure, uh, starting next week. You're going to be able to listen to, uh, our Strange Aeons adventure from the beginning.

Uh, we'll be releasing, uh, those episodes Monday through Thursday until we're caught up with the, uh, live shows that are happening. Uh, and then we'll be releasing new content just like this, live from our homes or semi-live. And that is going to be the replacement show for the foreseeable future until the next era of the Glass Cannon podcast. Thank you to everyone who watched tonight. We've had one of our biggest, if not our largest crowds that we've had. We will see you real soon. Good night, everybody. Good night, everybody.

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