The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens - Just Stop Oil !? Part 2 - Oil is the Economy | Frankly #39

Episode Date: July 28, 2023

In Part 2 of this Frankly Series, Nate breaks down why energy - and specifically oil - is currently the central foundation of our entire modern economic system. There are ecological and energetic laws... that apply to all life, including humans and our economies. By accessing a huge surplus of dense carbon energy in the form of fossil sunlight, we've effectively turbo-boosted our economies, populations, and material wealth - but what happens if this fossil abundance were to go away? What are the systemic implications of an economy tethered to growth, tethered to carbon? Is it even possible for us to choose to stop using oil? How do these complex constraints on our global systems affect the options - and most likely outcomes - in a future with declining oil availability and rising climate insecurity? For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/frankly-original/39-just-stop-oil-part-2-oil-is-the-economy To Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/-585aVUNz68

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Greetings. This is going to be part two of a series on Just Stop Oil. First, some housekeeping. I've got some amazing podcast coming up, Kevin Anderson next week, followed by Financial Energy Commentator Doomberg, followed by French energy expert Jean-Marg Jancovici, followed by philosopher Ian McGilchrist, Some of these are just fantastic episodes. Click subscribe if you haven't already. And please look forward to those. Okay, it is with some trepidation that I arrive at part two in this Just Stop Oil series.
Starting point is 00:00:51 After these next two videos, you may subscribe and then hit unsubscribe. A word of caution or a word of caution. or a word of authenticity, I am not in these next two videos advocating for what we should do. I am trying to observe and describe our situation. It is my deep belief that describing the constraints of our situation eventually will inform better decisions, better plans, better preparation.
Starting point is 00:01:24 And I don't know if Nora would chastise me for saying me, this, but better emergence. Okay, so last week briefly, we looked at the systemic implications of the serial refining of oil and that if we suddenly didn't need gasoline, we would still need roughly the same amount of oil because of the power and relevance of the middle distilates and the asphalt, bunker fuel, plastic precursors, etc. Today, I'm going to explain why, at least, least for now, oil is the economy. And what I'm going to talk about next week is 10 pathways to post-growth economies, which would use less oil and fossil fuels. So today is going to be a little bit of a long reflection. I hope I can remember everything. I'm going to start by doing
Starting point is 00:02:21 a whirlwind recap of the importance of energy and particularly oil to our societies. And then I'm going to talk about 10 systemic inferences. Okay, here we go. Energy is incredibly important in nature. Those organisms that have an energy surplus of their expense versus the income have evolutionary advantages. This is throughout the animal kingdom, and it also applies to human systems. There's something called the maximum power principle, which Howard Odom, the PhD advisor of some of my PhD advisors called the fourth law of thermodynamics, which is that organisms and ecosystems in nature self-organize around the ability to degrade an incoming energy gradient.
Starting point is 00:03:14 For instance, trees will grow the correct amount of leaves to maximize the energy degradation of the sun. One leaf wouldn't be enough and a billion leaves would be too many because they would shade. So the maximum power is in between. And this happens throughout the natural world. What ends up happening is there is a biological relationship between the mass or the size of an organism or an ecosystem and its energy throughput or its metabolism. This is called Kleber's Law. And the metabolism is roughly the mass to the three-quarter power. It doesn't matter if you're an insect or a mouse or a blue whale, this rough biological scaling law applies at all scales.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Lo and behold, the same scaling law applies to the total human system, the global human economy en masse together, where all countries grow their energy consumption about to the three-quarter power of their size. Okay, energy and humans. We need energy. We need energy. energy for absolutely everything in our economies, to move, to create, to invent, to refine, to deliver, to maintain, to repair, to dispose of. Energy is required for everything. There is, in fact, a 99% correlation between energy and GDP and around 100% correlation between materials and GDP. So our material, our GDP footprint is very, very tightly linked with more energy and more material use.
Starting point is 00:04:57 If we consider electricity, those places in the world that have no blackouts or brownouts, but 100% connectivity are very close to it, have the highest GDP per capita. Once you just have even one or two percent of brownouts or blackouts, your GDP per capita drops substantially. Access to available energy 24-7 has so far in our society been incredibly quite. correlated with economic success. So many listeners of this program know that we are living in this couple 300 special period where humans are drawing down ancient carbon. Some might say from the maximum power standpoint, we are liberating ancient carbon productivity from the earth, tens of millions
Starting point is 00:05:44 of times faster than it was sequestered. Tony Barnowski at Stanford showed that the total animal biomass has increased 700% in the last 300 years. This isn't because of technology. It's because we liberated this productivity from under the earth. And most of that increase is farm animals and humans. But we have seven times the mammalian biomass on the planet now than 300 years ago. So it's not just energy, it's energy combining with machines. So I've said this many times. The amount of work in a barrel of oil is 11 years of my work. But I can do work two and a half times more efficient, my muscles to the actual job than fossil fuels.
Starting point is 00:06:38 So you have to handicap that by 40%. So it works out to around four, four and a half years of human labor is replace. by a barrel of oil. We use 100 billion barrel of oil equivalents of coal oil natural gas per year, which roughly is around 450 billion human worker equivalence. And I've done some tweaks on the math. It's actually closer to 400 billion. But, you know, it could be 100 billion or it could be a trillion depending on the boundaries of the analysis. I cannot, even with a thousand other people, push a fully loaded semi-truck over Pikes Peak in Colorado in the middle of winter, but I can create presentations and spreadsheets and duck houses that oil might not be able to do.
Starting point is 00:07:31 So we have incredible amounts of machines in the earth and in the human economy. The average American has 40 devices plugged in 24-7 in their houses, drawing down energy. We are surrounded by machines and we don't even think about that because they're all powered by pretty cheap energy. But if you think about the unique period we're living in where we add more and more primary energy to the global economy every single year, if you look at just the additions every year of coal, oil, and natural gas, not the baseline that we started with, but the additional fossil carbon we're adding to the economy, in effect, we're adding around 5 billion or 4.7 billion average during the last decade, human worker equivalents every
Starting point is 00:08:24 single year to the global economy. I suspect that heterodox economists in the future will look back and say that this addition of more energy every year actually explains much of Solo's residual, which is the mystery productivity that describes our wealth. So we are adding machines and the energy to power them on top of the human workers that exist every year. So for now, oil is the economy. This is a logarithmic chart showing that the correlation on the bottom between oil consumption per nation and the GDP per nation is around a 0.96R squared. Oil is incredibly special in its energy properties. It's very dense.
Starting point is 00:09:14 It's liquid at room temperatures. It's transportable in pipelines and ships. It's like superhero juice that we can store in barrels and burn and refine and turn into things when we need them. Finally, in a review, it's not oil. That is the problem with the world economy. It's the energy and emergence that we see. self-organize in an economic system that optimizes profits. Profits are linked to energy and 82% of our energy is fossil carbon.
Starting point is 00:09:48 So what ends up happening is as we grow our economic system, we add nodes, little new subdivisions and new relationships between America and Indonesia and all different kinds of connections are added to the system. as we add nodes, the number of connections requiring energy increases by the square of the nodes divided by two as a rough guess. So if we add 10 new nodes in some division, 10 squared is 100 divided by 2 is 50. Well, the right answer is 45. We had 45 new nodes in the system, I'm a new connections in the system, each of which require energy to maintain and traverse and transport in the next iteration. So you can extrapolate this to the global economy, which is growing continuously,
Starting point is 00:10:43 creating transportation routes, shipping routes, air routes, Amazon truck routes, etc., all demanding energy. So from this perspective, global human culture is effectively, not that it was anyone's choice, not that anyone wants this to happen, but global human culture is acting as an energy-dissippating structure where oil, in effect, gasoline and diesel are the hemoglobin that's transporting goods and services through the arteries and veins of a global system. Oil is not the problem. Oil is in service of this energy-hungry global transportation system. Okay, so what are the systemic inferences for this little brief overview of oil and the economy. First of all, we live in a system with an exponential monetary system pulling the entire
Starting point is 00:11:44 thing forward. We create money with no tether to underlying resources and with no interest. So there's a compulsion of the entire system to grow. Irrespective of climate change or technology or efficiency, our economic system will continue to destroy the earth if it is based on growth as the objective, tethered to money, tethered to resources. As we eat down the high quality, low entropy, energy, and materials, not only will the scale of the human economy grow, but the percentage of our economy allocated to the energy and material sector will also grow. Shown here by an Oroboros, a snake eating its tail and getting not only larger but taking a larger percentage of the Earth. You can see this in the Jevins Paradox,
Starting point is 00:12:46 literature, and graphics that we do continue to get more efficient every year, about 1% more efficient in using resources, yet the global consumption of energy increases. Since 1990, we've increased energy efficiency by 36 percent, and yet globally we've increased our consumption by 63%. Next point, we don't look at our situation in terms of systems. We recognize that climate change is an urgent problem. We recognize that the environment is a problem. We recognize that the environment is a problem. So we take little micro snapshots of this picture and try to remedy them, like outlawing natural gas and propane stoves in New York, or outlining, lying internal combustion cars referenced last week. That's not going to directly reduce oil consumption. So a focus on
Starting point is 00:13:48 electric vehicles as a response to climate is kind of like having a personal trainer focus on bicep curls while you have a cancer diagnosis. Bicep curls are a good thing. They can help the future. Electric cars are cleaner. They use less energy. But system-wide, they are not a response to either climate or energy depletion. Next point. What about peak oil? Peak oil historically actually has never been about running out of oil. It's about the phase shift in human economies that happen once we start to lose those additional fossil workers added to the human system instead of the last hundred years where they've been increasing every year.
Starting point is 00:14:41 This chart shows it's based on Rysstad Energy. My friend Art Berman made this chart. It shows in fact that peak oil did happen in 2018, at least so far. But we're still growing the total liquids, but it's not really oil. It's natural gas plant liquids, which have less BTUs and can be used for plastics and things like that, not directly in cars. But we declined by about a quarter in the next 30 years. It's not that we're running out of oil.
Starting point is 00:15:13 It's we're running out of high quality of affordable oil at scale enough to pile. power this system and its financial claims. So the issue with peak oil isn't oil collapse, it's financial collapse. The relevance of oil decline is we continue to paper over our energy claims with more and more money the world over. And we can't print energy. We can only extract it faster with more money. So this little inflection here between the red lines and the yellow, the white line is when all of a sudden we can't extract enough energy to maintain, particularly oil, to maintain all of the musical chair financial claims on the system. This is quite relevant on why oil decline is important. Another point is getting back to the
Starting point is 00:16:12 maximum power principle. In nature, waste is actually evolutionary selected for. We don't run things purely at 100% efficiency. We don't run things purely at using all the energy at the same time. We run things right in the middle, which is the part where the maximum amount of work can be done. This is called the maximum power principle. What that means is that humans, And our aggregate system not only cares about energy and energy efficiency, but time. It's the amount of work that we get done, which is why many of the technical challenges of autonomous vehicles or lots of electric vehicles run counter to our own internal primate disposition to get neurotransmitters in the moment. I want to go see a baseball game and have fun,
Starting point is 00:17:12 the whole time. I don't want to stop for two hours and charge my electric car, even though that would be saving energy and being better for the environment. So until we change the inner tech in our minds on how we get our basket of evolutionary neurotransmitters, maximum power is going to have a big say on sustainability and our energy use. Another point, There is a social discourse where we try and integrate climate, equity, and growth. But the reality is that there is no overlap between these three circles. We do have net zero and kind of a global wealth transfer convergence from the global north or the global south is the vocal part of where these three circles overlap.
Starting point is 00:18:12 But if you optimize for one of these things, the other two you can't optimize for. And this is a real problem that we're trying to optimize all three of those things. And all three of those things are really relevant. People are a lot of people within and between countries. This economic system is not working for them. They are squeezed out. And yet we need the economy to function to allow goods and services and stability. and any carbon additional admissions is counting against our carbon budget, and we're already kind of
Starting point is 00:18:50 well past what the sustainable, stable levels could be. Now, in the future, there could be overlap of these three things. We could have a better climate than the default. We could have some sort of growth in information and other things, not material growth. And we could have basic needs and well-being as a baseline for people. But right now in our current discourse, there's Gutierrez at the UN and many other people are giving lip service to how we optimize these three things at once. And I don't think we can. Another thing, and I had someone look at a draft of this and they're like, dude, you don't want to say that because you're going to look like an apologist for the fossil fuel companies. I am certainly not that. I have.
Starting point is 00:19:39 I left Wall Street because I cared about climate change in the environment. And for the last 20 years, I've been working on this. I have to observe and describe what I see. There is a meme in the news that what is happening to climate is the fault of fossil fuel companies. Certainly they, like many other companies, you know, obfuscated the facts in order to grow their profits. It is not the fault of the people at Exxon what is happening. It is the shareholders of Exxon and Google and General Electric and Home Depot, the shareholders are optimizing profits. Profits do not have an environmental component in today's day and age.
Starting point is 00:20:23 I did a video three years ago for Earth Day. You should watch this section on why fossil fuel companies are not to blame. But effectively, the meme is that there's $5 trillion of subsidies that go to fossil fuel companies. that is bunk. 90% of that are externalities. And of the remaining 10% that are actual subsidies, 90% of those are subsidies to poor people, mostly in oil producing countries to give their citizens a break to be able to drive and do other things. Of the remaining 1% of actual subsidies, subsidies to renewable companies are higher than they are for fossil fuel companies. And most of the subsidies to fossil fuel companies are actually in the form of tax credits. So to speak in terms of
Starting point is 00:21:11 the amount of subsidies that governments give to fossil fuel and oil companies is a rounding error to the 400 billion worker equivalents that fossil fuels give to us to society. Building on that, Another point in just stop oil is a UK activist organization. I realize that they're really not trying to stop oil. What they're trying to do is stop new oil and gas leases in the UK. Given the backdrop of this video so far, the critical power that is found in a barrel of oil, let me talk about the UK. UK used to be one of the world's leading oil producers shown in this graph. The blue, The blue bars are the discovery of oil in the North Sea and various places around the United Kingdom. The red graphic is the production of oil and we're less than half of the level that we used to be at. In the unshaded blue, the tiny little percentage of about 10 or 15% of the total is what's left to produce. So the UK's wealth and energy is behind it. Not only that, but energy aside, the UK invests little and saves even less relative to the other G7 countries.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And so it's no wonder that we have environmentally aware leaders in the world like President Biden and the Prime Minister of England that are environmentally aware. and yet they're approving oil and gas leases in the UK, in Alaska, et cetera, because our countries depend on that. So there's optionality that comes from this. Right now, some countries can print money and with that money they can buy energy like Japan or European Union. But ultimately, the wealth of nations is energy and materials. From that vantage point, Russia and Canada are very wealthy nations in the long term. And the UK and Japan, not so much. So when we talk about just stopping oil, this is part of it. It removes and truncates the optionality of the UK going forward if they don't have access to this incredibly potent energy source. Building on that,
Starting point is 00:23:46 it is quite apparent that we need to reduce emissions relatively quickly to avoid worse. or possibly catastrophic climate impacts. Next week I'm talking to Kevin Anderson about this. It is obvious truism that the global north has been using more fossil fuels and is responsible for the majority of the emissions. So from an equity perspective to have the global north reduce faster and still leaving fossil fuels for the global south makes sense. from a maximum power standpoint, this is the same equivalent as arguing with a forest fire.
Starting point is 00:24:30 There is a metabolism to the system. And humans are not going to voluntarily de-grow. They're not going to reduce consumption en masse. I can reduce consumption. Those people listening to this program can reduce consumption. But on mass, humans, are not going to voluntarily sign up for less, especially when other countries can have more. And this is actually more and more I'm thinking that the great simplification will affect the
Starting point is 00:25:11 global north and the remaining fossil carbon that's extractable may be consumed happily by Indonesia and Pakistan and India and other countries after our mismanaged financial kind of musical chairs situation. So humans are generally going to get more pissed off and meaner and hot, cold, hungry, and so on, which right now all those negative emotions are directly held at bay by oil infrastructure, and I think only an insignificant minority of humans will either voluntarily be guided by abstinence. And the other thing that I should probably do an entire frankly on, but there's a sentiment to have a wealth transfer, which would be fair from the global north to the global south.
Starting point is 00:26:06 It actually cannot happen because in the process of transferring the wealth, the wealth disappears. Imagine you had a car that was worth $40,000 and you wanted to give half of the money to another person. You can't give them the engine or the wheels or something. The car exists as a totality. This office where I'm recording this is owned by a landlord. We pay him rent. I assume he's relatively wealthy. This office might be worth $400,000.
Starting point is 00:26:38 If there had to be a wealth transfer in the world, he would have to sell this office or some of his other real estate, but who would he sell it to? Because other people would have to be selling at the same time. So the metabolism of the United States is different than the metabolism of France or Indonesia. But the wealth exists because the metabolism is ongoing. And so a wealth transfer other than one or two percent or something at the margin, even if it were voted on, cannot physically happen. Okay. The other thing is when we're talking about climate and energy and oil, we're running out of time. If we look at the Russia-Ukraine situation, this was a shot across the bow, no pun intended, of a biophysical phase shift. Russia and Saudi Arabia and Iraq, the three of them together, control over 50% of the global oil exports. So I think you can see what's happening with the financial claims on reality and who controls the
Starting point is 00:27:44 oil and the energy. And this is going to be a major story in the coming decade. Russia is trying to destroy the dollar hegemony of the world. The U.S. and NATO are trying to destroy Russia. I don't know how this is going to manifest, but a lot of the, let's extrapolate the last 50 years of technology and growth forward in time, I think are unlikely going to happen. My last point in this potentially upsetting and intense, frankly, is perhaps the most upsetting and intense point. That is the concept of choice. There are a lot of people looking at our current situation, whether they're focused on the environmental issues, climate change, or global poverty and inequality or polarization or whatever. And they're like, we have a choice. We have to choose
Starting point is 00:28:42 a better future. And with respect to the metabolism and the maximum power principle, we don't have a choice. We are like individual cancer cells becoming self-aware of this situation. we have the potential for an emergent response. But there is a biophysical unfolding of what's happening where there's a history of decisions and emergence has created a situation where humans in a global market economy have outsourced our decision-making to the market. The market is now in control of all global North governments
Starting point is 00:29:28 in the world and they're afraid to circumvent the market for fear of some Wiley Coyote response. So the market as an emergent phenomenon of human culture is now exerting downward causation on the individual components of the superorganism. You, all of you watching this and me, this doesn't mean that things are bleak or that they're over. It's that there is not a direct, policy, logical response to combat this superorganism in its current form. Next week, I'm going to outline 10 potential pathways that would lead to a post-growth future and indirectly using less oil and less emissions in the following week, because that also is going to be a bit upsetting and intense. The following week, I'm going to give personal advice
Starting point is 00:30:28 as opposed to just this scientific, logical observation and witness of our global metabolic situation. I'm going to give personal advice on, as those pro-social humans aware of our situation, where do we go en route to these pathways? Thank you for paying attention to this long, frankly. Again, I'm not advocating. this. I'm not happy about this. This is the conclusion of the scientific synthesis that I've spent 20 years putting together. And I'm trying to get more smart, caring people to recognize this is where we've come and to inform the path ahead. Talk to you next week.

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