The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens - The Quadruple Bifurcation | Frankly 112

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

In this week's Frankly, Nate outlines four bifurcations that are likely to underpin the human experience in the near future. While the broad biophysical realities of energy and ecology underpin our ci...vilization's movement over time, in the moment, people will experience these trends mostly economically and psychologically. Whether related to the widening of an already existing economic gap or the expansion of dependence on cognitive crutches like AI, the demographics that comprise society are starting to splinter – to bifurcate. These divergences, and the ways we cope with them, contribute to increasing incoherence as a species. What are the areas we might witness societal bifurcation? Why should we strive to meet others in the context of their lived experiences, even when they diverge radically from our own? How might progress itself start to be redefined? (Recorded October 28th, 2025)   Show Notes and More Watch this video episode on YouTube   Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie. ---   Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future   Join our Substack newsletter   Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning. Long ago, when I began to understand the broader energy, material and ecological foundations of our current civilization, I intuited that all these biophysical issues were fundamental. The energy and ecology details would probably be too complex and slow moving to be what people noticed in their everyday lives. Instead, between and within countries, people would begin to experience a different economic and psychological reality than the more or less straight line up economy of the past 30 to 40 years, or depending on your boundary, 500 years.
Starting point is 00:00:46 But I didn't yet know back in the day about AI and politics and some other catalysts. Every civilization faces moments when it frays. As we've learned on this platform from the likes of Joseph Tainter, Peter Turchin, Luke Kemp, and many others, when the trajectories of its people's values and capacities diverge sufficiently because they no longer share the same reality. I believe we're now entering one of those moments, and I'm framing it here. here as a quadruple bifurcation. Bifurcation is a division of something into two branches or parts that will define the next several decades in the United States and across of much of the
Starting point is 00:01:38 world. Briefly, these four bifurcations are economic, cognitive, psychological, and worldview. And each of these trends is distinct from the other unfolding on its own timeline, yet they're now deeply entangled, integrating with one another in a feedback loop that is quietly becoming the backdrop for what it means to be human in the 21st century. Okay, first economically, a few weeks back, I described how the median human is actually more pro-social than the average, given the prevalence and influence of dark triad and psychopathic traits on the aggregate population. This same math extrapolates to growing well, and income inequality. Average net worth is increasingly misleading because asset inflation
Starting point is 00:02:39 primarily benefits the top quintile, while wage inflation barely offsets the increased cost of living. 60% of people in the United States now live paycheck to paycheck, even amid historically high employment and all-time record stock prices. Over 40 million Americans are on food stamps and the SNAP program that electronically distributes these is potentially on the chopping block in this current government shutdown. You know, as an aside, I went to the local Walmart this past weekend. It's actually the only place within 50 miles of me that has organic produce. And the checkout lady and I talked for quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:03:26 She told me that before COVID, they used to make $12 an hour but with full benefits, but now they They make $16 per hour, but no benefits. The benefits were removed. She said every single employee there is on food stamps. Anecdotally, another friend has a dog and a cat. And in order to pay for their care, she has to skip meals herself. Many other examples of people who have some health concern but can't get a treated due to poor or no health insurance or no money or both.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Today, we have an hourglass economy. The top 20% households are doing fine. But the 80% subprime are suffering. And this could be an entire one hour, frankly, on all the ways the majority of Americans are not doing well, but that is not my point here. My point is that the next economic downturn, and it will come, won't just be a recession, but an acceleration event in the stratification of society. When the economy rolls over again, tens of millions who are already on the edge won't just tighten their belts, which is what happened during recessions during the previous century of abundance, but likely drop out entirely into material poverty, into debt traps,
Starting point is 00:04:49 and often into despair on the current default path. So other than some hand-wavy things about universal basic income, our nation, our regions, our communities have no plans for this. This bifurcation has been unfolding for a while, but is on the verge of seriously bifurcating. If the first bifurcation is economic, the second will be cognitive. Like it or not, use it or not, AI is here. Let's for the moment leave aside the energy. material limits discussion and the fact that I personally think AI is in a biophysical bubble,
Starting point is 00:05:30 a topic for another, frankly. But let's assume that AI continues to accelerate at its currently generally accepted pace, at least generally accepted by Wall Street and the money propping it up. In the strict time is money, GDP and profits are the only goals fashion. Those people who use AI are going to outcompete in virtually every industry. The average American has 100 energy slaves doing physical tasks 24-7. Now the average American is likely to have dozens, hundreds, thousands of cognitive workers at their disposal. So we're now watching the world separate into two camps.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Those who deeply integrate AI, who use it as a force multiplier in whatever their work is, and those who don't, either by choice or by fear or by lack of access. Economically, at least at first, the AI augmented people are going to be faster, more efficient, more productive, at least measured by the current aspirations of our money as God culture. They will out-compete. And integrating these first two bifurcations together, here is a salient point. When humanity discovered fossil fuels, we effectively added hundreds of billions of physical human worker equivalents to the global economy. Yes, the wealth was spread unevenly, but most humans had access to this windfall of global
Starting point is 00:07:05 fossil sunlight. The global economy is a thousand times bigger than 500 years ago. And there's a global middle class that didn't exist 200 years ago. The average human today consumes, depending where you live, 10 to 30 times more in goods and services than what we did in the year 1800. Now, with AI, we aren't adding physical workers, but mental workers in the hundreds of billions or more. However, this windfall is unlikely to be shared the way fossil surplus was.
Starting point is 00:07:38 The owners and steers of AI are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population. The owners of data centers and the like will become so powerful that I suspect worry that the line between corporate and individual power and nation states will begin to blur. The benefits from our new cognitive slaves will not be economically equal, not remotely. But that also is not my point here. Here's the twist and my main point about the cognitive bifurcation. As humans outsource more and more cognitive work, writing, thinking, creating, deciding, Subtle processes in our minds begin to atrophy. The more we outsource cognition, the more our raw human capability erodes.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Cognitive atrophy will not be immediate and will be largely invisible, but for those who have bitten AI Apple and continue to eat it will be insidious, and I suspect inevitable. And I see this in my own circles of friends already. There are dozens of people in my LinkedIn feed now write clear, concise, and somewhat robotic pros that is devoid of their own individuality. And worse, they don't recognize that their new clearer language is the same language as all the other dozens of influencers in their space. And the whole thing has become homogenized where it all sounds the same and is losing its
Starting point is 00:09:14 meaning. It's not X. It's Y has now become fingernails. on a chalkboard to me. But again, I digress. I know people who are so bought into chatbuts and productivity that they are now becoming unable to write or think for themselves. Episode 200 on the podcast with Nora Bateson and Zach Stein will dive into this deeper. It's quite disturbing how people are outsourcing not only their thinking, but their attachments to the machines. But our species has been here before. Our brain is
Starting point is 00:09:49 The gains have actually shrunk over 10% in the last 10,000 years, a change many anthropologists attribute to outsourcing our cognition to culture and tools and institutions. It's happening on steroids already with existing technology. Many humans, including yours truly, have a significant loss in the sense of direction from our using of GPS on our phones. We have less memory, less verbally inclined because of writing, books, and search engines. And many need to use a calculator for basic math. I don't need to do that, thankfully. But now we're about to do it again. At the speed of light, or rather the speed of electricity
Starting point is 00:10:35 powering our data centers, AI will not only do our work and shape what we think, but it will shape how we think. It's going to shorten attention spans and destroy nuance, and it's going to reward speed and robotic clarity over reflection and humanity. And I suspect it will result in a massive loss of creativity. If many just continue to use AI to make the first draft of something, we're going to lose the ability and practice of creating something from scratch, of knowing how to just put some words down on paper or a word doc. So those that actively use AI, and under some scenarios, that could be a large percentage of our population, will get used to not knowing because the models will know for them.
Starting point is 00:11:34 And over time, the mental muscle of independent thought is going to weaken an atrophy. And I see it happening now, even at the early stage. And I have to preempt myself from using AI as more than a research assistant. So this bifurcation will be, we'll have one population whose cognition is extended by machines, and another whose cognition is excluded from them. The first is going to seem dominant until a corporate camping trip without a internet or an impromptu speech or of more pragmatic concern to listeners of this show when we experience increasing brownouts and blackouts and people only have intermittent
Starting point is 00:12:23 or no access to the electricity that animates their cognitive slaves. How many of us will remember how to think, write, decide, and discern without access to these machines? So, just listening to these first two bifurcations might lead you to guessing the third, which is the coming explosion of mental health issues. We are already living in a society where depression, anxiety, and loneliness have become structural features of modern life in the United States. According to the National Institute of Mental Health, 60 million Americans had some mental
Starting point is 00:13:06 illness in 2022. That's almost one in five people. I have to believe based on anecdotal evidence that this is underreported. About 10 years ago, I worked on community resilience with a bunch of regional poverty directors and organizations. And I learned there is a mistaken meme in society that poor people are less intelligent. The reality is that being materially poor in our society dramatically increases one's cognitive load.
Starting point is 00:13:38 And because we're worrying about how we're going to pay our bills and feed our children, we lose the cognitive bandwidth to be able to make good decisions. So on top of everything else, the have-nots will likely be disproportionately hit psychologically. Economic stability breeds stress. Stress fuels addiction, which itself deepens mental illness. A recent study found that adults with less than $5,000 in total financial assets reported over two times the odds when being screened for depression and anxiety as adults that made over $100,000 or had over $100,000 in financial assets.
Starting point is 00:14:27 This makes sense. But I'd be remiss in pointing out that those who are materially poor are also more than more primed to live the more simplified, localized lifestyles that the great simplification may demand from us in the future, in stark contrast to the much more intense lifestyle downsizing that the materially wealthy might experience. And I'll point out that almost 50% of people who make over six figures live paycheck to paycheck. I'll put a reference in the show notes to that. But in this case, the economically well-off will not be immune to psychological distress,
Starting point is 00:15:06 Yes, either. Many AI users will increasingly live in digital isolation, hyper-stimulated, undernourished emotionally, and having their closest friends be large language models. We are in effect slowly splitting into two psychological demographics, one that's resilient, grounded, emotionally literate, and capable of autonomy and self-regulation. And another, that's more brittle, reactive, medicated, and perpetually having to cope as a first priority, leaving the engagement as a productive member of society for some time in the future. I increasingly believe the mentally healthy are going to become a kind of elite class in our
Starting point is 00:16:02 society, those with stability, resilience, and meaning, while the rest of us are at risk of increasingly fragmenting under increased stress and existential malaise of what it means to be human in today's society. And like the previous two bifurcations, this isn't a binary, yes or no, you're in this camp or the other, but more of a sliding scale. But the direction for many in our culture is at present heading towards the unhealthy pole. As such, the mentally healthy will be the islands of coherence, not because they're richer, but because they still have capacity for reflection, for stillness, for full attention to the
Starting point is 00:16:51 moment, to the person, to the issue, and for empathy. So the third bifurcation is the one inside our heads and our hearts. between those who can maintain coherence and chaos and those who may fragment under the weight of what's happening and is on the horizon. I have a lot more to say about this. I can't offer these Franklies and have solutions on each one, but pro-social prepping, libraries of healing, rocks in the river are among the categories of intervention. I'll be unpacking in future presentations addressing this side of our areas.
Starting point is 00:17:30 encroaching reality. I could stop here, as this is quite enough already, for a Halloween, frankly. But while these fragmentations apply to individual humans, when aggregated, they also shift what kinds of worldviews and values dominate and steer society. Which brings me to the fourth bifurcation. At the philosophical level, even today, humanity is divided between two worldviews. On one side, the anthropocentrists, the human first, growth first, left brain, control first mindset. Our economy and technology are the measure of all things. Progress is expansion
Starting point is 00:18:14 and nature is the raw material. On the other side, a quieter countercurrent, the remnants of our species from before the fall, are the ecologists, the animus, the systems thinker, and many people who follow this channel. People who see humanity as part of a living web and not the apex of it, who believe that humanity's long-term survival now actually depends on de-centering ourselves and somehow moving from apex predators to apex custodians writ large. But here's the looming tragedy and why I'm kind of a a happy go lucky golden retriever personality, but I'm often quite disconsolate and pretty sober on
Starting point is 00:19:07 these frankly's and in my presentations. Energy surplus has allowed a large chunk of humanity to learn about and care about our growing impact on the biosphere and the natural world. This awareness at the species level is new and fragile and precious as I see it and have grown up witnessing it and being a part of it. But in times of instability for our species, existing structures and priorities and institutions aggressively double down on what brought us here and all the things that support the Rube Goldberg economic machine of the moment. And wisdom and humility and extension of rights to the more than human likely will lose out to the path dependence of the economic superorganism and growth at any cost.
Starting point is 00:20:02 So the fourth bifurcation is between those humans trying to master the planet and those trying to rejoin it. So the have-nots grow a number, the cognitively dependent grow in number, the mentally unwell grow in number, and our cousins in nature lose voices and champions and allies to their cause. And each of these bifurcations reinforces the next. Until we suddenly wake up one day and we're no longer one culture, but a fragmented collection of individuals living on seemingly different planets. I do not think this is the end of civilization, but I do think we're witnessing the dissolving
Starting point is 00:20:54 of a shared experience. We used to imagine progress as a linear story of human inventions over time, better tools, better lives, better futures. What's happening feels like something deeper and more existential. And the question I pose here isn't which of these bifurcation categories I'm a part of or you're a part of, but whether we will still be able to see and empathize with those at different points on the spectrum in these categories. Because once we can't, the bifurcation won't be something that's coming, but something that's already happened. For those following this channel, you know I don't
Starting point is 00:21:40 think we'll choose cultural quadruple bypass surgery ahead of the societal heart attack, but we'll have to change our behaviors and respond after the fact. The entire purpose of this platform is to understand, prepare, and steer these, in my opinion, highly probable now events in more benign directions. I don't believe there is a solution to these trends. They've been building for decades and in some cases the economic superorganism for millennium. But there are infinite responses that at least directionally makes sense, which will be the topic of next week's, frankly, and upcoming podcast.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Happy Halloween. See you next week.

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