The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens - Watch With Both Eyes Open: The Beauty and the Horror of Our Moment

Episode Date: July 24, 2026

In this week's Frankly, Nate reflects on a week spent with a group of friends and peers who share his understanding of the world's converging crises, and what it revealed about the deeply human need t...o be fully seen, without having to explain yourself first. Though the group rarely discussed climate, AI, or energy depletion, the shared awareness of these issues created space for humor, joy, and the reemergence of a version of himself that had quietly faded into the background over the years. He observes that most rooms he finds himself in either run either too hot – where people are overly fixated on systemic risk and its gory details – or too cold, where the state of the world goes unacknowledged entirely. This group served as the rare in-between: people who could hold both the beauty and the horror of our moment with both eyes open, and still show up each morning with presence, purpose, and laughter. From there, Nate widens the lens to the role of community in an age of converging crises: our evolutionary wiring as social animals, the physiological nourishment of daily in-person connection that even the strongest online relationships cannot replicate, and the quiet loneliness of seeing the world differently than those around us. Many listeners of this platform might be in the same position: aware and engaged, yet locally alone. As The Great Simplification continues to unfold, Nate suggests that finding – or helping to build – local communities grounded in shared reality, mutual presence, and care may be among the most important no-regrets strategies available to us – and one this platform intends to help cultivate. What changes when you no longer have to explain the world as you see it before you can simply be yourself? Why does in-person community meet needs that even meaningful online relationships cannot? And what first steps can we take toward the kinds of local communities that help us face an uncertain future with resilience, meaning, and joy? (Recorded July 21st, 2026)   Show Notes and More   Watch this video episode on YouTube   Want to learn the broad overview of The Great Simplification in 30 minutes? Watch our Animated Movie.   ---   Support The Institute for the Study of Energy and Our Future   Join our Substack newsletter   Join our Hylo channel and connect with other listeners  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning. I took most of the last two weeks to travel to one destination and stay with a friend. And I had an experience there that I decided to share because it might be relevant and helpful to some of you. Many of you? My friend's organization is working Adjacently to the more than human predicament. Many on his team follow the podcast or I think at least watch the Franklies. And as such, I felt completely at home at our dinners and on our hikes. I felt especially at home and that I didn't need to have low EROI conversations. where I had to spend a long on-ramp discussing what I do and why and how the pieces fit together.
Starting point is 00:01:00 It was all implied and understood, even though, surprisingly, to me, we didn't speak about it, or at least very little, and not at dinner. One night we went out for Chinese food, and it was one of the funniest dinners that I've had in years. I kind of felt like a stand-up comic and I had forgotten aspects of myself that had not shown up in a long time. And it wasn't until I got home that night and reflected on what was different. We didn't talk about climate or AI or energy depletion or the geopolitical cluster we're currently hip deep in. But we all knew that each of us knew all these things. And it took such an experience for me to realize that usually I'm in a room that's too hot, talking about all the systemic risk and the gory details, or too cold, talking about football
Starting point is 00:02:12 or fireworks or this or that politician without any deep analysis or awareness or nuance or recognition of the times we're alive in. And it struck me that it took such a group of humans who knew all these things, but were being their best human selves regardless, that I could fully be myself. And I had missed that person. I mean, I think we're doing good work here with the podcast, but it is a tiny, well, not a tiny, but a mid-sized sliver of the totality of Nate, because these are not funny topics. But when I was with this group of 10 or 11 people, these were people who could see and
Starting point is 00:03:04 sit with both the beauty of the world and the horror of the world and show up with joy and meaning and presence and still get up in the morning and work on things that matter, even given our approaching cultural cul-de-sac. And for me, it was like breathing pure oxygen, which was especially poignant after coming home and being with all the wildfires. you know, the last few months of the art of the Hormuz deal madness and all the flip-flopping and the societal aircraft carrier hitting an iceberg with respect to what's going on in Iran and all the things. Reality depth perception requires both eyes open at the same time.
Starting point is 00:04:03 I think some people have the horror eye closed for good reasons. And some people have the beauty I closed. And in both of those cases, the world kind of goes two-dimensional and gray. These were 10 people with both eyes open. And for pretty much a week, my social world had full 3D depth again. All right. So why did this hit me as hard as it did? Two years ago, after spending six weeks in India with 30 people for a month, I sat on one of the, subsequent franklies, that I had been naive about community, that I had thought it was about borrowing your neighbor's lawnmower or trading garlic for potatoes, but that the real benefit showed up in my physiology, the oxytocin, the serotonin, of close, repetitive, daily
Starting point is 00:05:05 interaction with other humans, and dogs in India's case. Last week was a booster shot of that lesson, which I had gradually over the last two years forgotten. I got a shot of oxytocin. I didn't know that I was low on. Kind of like discovering a deficiency at the exact moment someone hands you a vitamin. My mammalian body did some accounting that my analyst's brain would not or could not. We are homo sapiens, we are herd animals, and we evolved in small bands where everyone saw and reacted to the same world outside.
Starting point is 00:05:53 And for a couple decades now, I've been seeing a different world than most of the people in whatever room I happen to be in. And I don't think I had really internalized what that costs me until the cost went away for a week. And despite the connections and relationships and relationships around the world from this podcast and my networks, I realized that oftentimes I paradoxically find myself lonely. None of this is to complain about online community.
Starting point is 00:06:29 I have a big online community. I'm grateful for every single day my systems ecology folks who I've been exchanging ideas with for going on 20 years and the thousands of you who see what I see right to me, who doing remarkable things where you live. But oxytocin in its truest sense doesn't travel through fiber optic cable per se. And the internet has nearly infinite bandwidth for information, but very little for the felt presence that only happens with presence, with other beings. And in my case, and I suspect in many of yours, other beings who deeply understand all the facts
Starting point is 00:07:18 and trends and risks that are now all converging. I have family who I love dearly. My brother and his wife and son were here the last three days. I have local friends. I have farmers and neighbors who would help me in a crisis. What I don't have, at least not yet, is 10 people fluent in the more than human predicament without a need to talk about it all the time within driving distance of my home. And I suspect a lot of you listening are in the same position, aware, engaged, and locally alone.
Starting point is 00:07:57 As we increasingly converge on reality, or as reality converges on this system synthesis, this is likely going to change out of necessity. So of the no regret strategies I can recommend here, I cannot more strongly recommend finding local community as this is foundational for the work ahead, even if the work is only on yourself. And I do feel like the great simplification, this platform has a role, and dare I say, responsibility to assist in this and we're taking this seriously. working on some things.
Starting point is 00:08:43 I didn't work much during the last two weeks, but I crafted about a dozen, frankly, so the next few months will be replete with content and some fantastic podcast coming up. I hope you are well. More soon.

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