The Greatest Generation - A Charade for Dignity (DS9 S7E22)

Episode Date: January 11, 2021

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Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,

and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate

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and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the greatest generation. Deep Space 9. One of the last few episodes of a Star Trek podcast about Deep Space 9.

By a couple guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a podcast about Deep Space 9, I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. We're not ending the show. We're just getting close to the end about Deep Space Night. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. I mean, we're not ending the show. We're just getting close to the end of Deep Space Night. I don't want to scare anybody. I think you did, though. I think you scared a lot of people with that intro. Don't go anywhere.

We need you. We have so much more show to make. This is my retirement plan. As long as I'm... Start trek is an abundant resource. Yeah. Yeah. I'm content to frack this show forever until my dying day. I don't care if flammable liquid is coming out of my headphones. Aaron Brockovich is the only one who can make us stop our show. I think we've got a great dose of strength.

Yeah. Adam, we've got, we're recording this before the end of December. It's still the holiday season from our perspective. You can hear it in our voices. Yeah, all the merriment that we're experiencing, but we're releasing this like toward mid-January. So apologies that this is coming a little bit late, but we have a couple of items of mail, and I thought a little yul-tied mail call. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's in these boxes. Maybe they're gift drafts, maybe they're not, you know?

But would you like to do a little mail call with me? If the contents of our boxes aren't gift wrapped, I will take the time to wrap them and then unwrap them on the show. I mean, everybody on the livestream can see you're in a room full of Christmas wrapping supplies. That's right. That's right. I'm just trying to toward those supplies right now. Oh, man.

Our guest bedroom is where I record the show. And I don't know why in the fuck we have a bed in here. It's basically a place to store mail and crap. It's a it's to store mail and crap. It's a big sound-deadening device. Yeah, really is. The main thing it does is provide a better acoustic environment for you to record podcasts in.

Well, what do you say? Let's get into these packages. Yeah, what do you want to get to first? I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify? It is code 47, sir. First. First thing we have here is a letter. This is from Brian in Coppel, Texas. I want to say, Capell, Texas. Anyways, one of those two. This is a holiday card. It says,

Peace. It's got some Evergreens on the front, some glitter. Glitter getting all over my iPad here. That's where you want it. Dear Adam and Ben, thank you for the last five years of laughs. My partner and I have been viewers from the very beginning and it blows my mind. They are already headed for the little V in the big D. I'm not sure that's biologically sound, but go with it. Can't wait to see what tasteless, hilarious funnies you coax out of Voyager. And hopefully, greatest Jencon comes to Dallas again. Love, Brian, and Dan! Wow!

Thanks, Brian, and Dan! Has it been- Especially Brian, though. Or is it really going to be... Five years? I used to have it on my calendar, the anniversary of our first show date. It's in January, isn't it? This is around then for sure.

Yeah, we started at the beginning of 2016. This is gonna be the five year anniversary. Wow, that's great! Happy anniversary to us and thanks for the reminder. Yeah, that rules. Really cool that it, like, how closely this letter coincides with that. I have it down that the greatest generation's birthday is January 25th. That is our show's anniversary date.

So, that is, as of this show date two weeks from today That's coming right up. Yeah, well after I don't know maybe we'll do something for that We will record it and not remember that that is a significant show Most likely okay, we got a box here from Andy in Portland, Oregon. Also covered in glitter. I totally picture myself going, like leaving the home office this afternoon and having my wife wonder why I'm covered in glitter. And smelling and smelling like stripper perfume. Yeah. And why is it just all on your legs? Here is a letter which was hopefully

uh, hopefully included right at the top of this box. Dear legendary mothers of the House of DeSoto. Greetings from Portland, Oregon. A local comic book story used to throw annual Picard Day parties, featuring an art show, slash contest, slash sale. I entered this dip-dick, nobody wanted to buy it, and it didn't win, but now I know it's true home, should be with you guys or your garbage cans. If you happen to know any doctors who might be particularly interested in one of the panels, feel free to re-gift.

And if you know someone who might really like the other panel, please leave me out of it. You guys kick ass at a mirror-jorjo level, and one of you is quite handsome, and one of you has quite the sexy voice. Many thanks, Andy. Wow. Hey, here's a question, and thanks Andy. Thanks for that.

That's just a half of a broken pool queue in the floor in between us, isn't it? It begs the question, would you rather be the one with the great voice or the one with the hot looks? Of course, of course. Jeez, it is. If you're not going anywhere like us, you might want to be the hot looks. Of course. Geez, it is. If you're not going anywhere like us, you might wanna be the voice guy. I'm even. I mean, what is, I'm just trying to my own face.

What is this gonna do for anyone these days that I'm out living with? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, as pro podcasters, the face is really worthless to us. Yeah, the voice is the money maker. Wow, this is beautifully packed, left and right artworks on this dip dip.

I'm going to try and hold them up and I'm going to reveal them to both of us at the same time. Oh! Wow! These are quite a minimalist, I would say. It's a style of collage, I would say. A minimalist style of collage. And the left piece of artwork is Captain's log and it looks like a bird's eye view of a toilet bowl with a turd in it. And the right hand side of the dip dick is number

one and it's just a stream of urine. I mean, I'm seeing two pieces of art that should go up on a wall in a bath room. Yeah, absolutely. Together. Yeah, I think those would go great in a bathroom, Ben. I think that's where... Why would nobody want to buy these? Yeah, it's bizarre. They look like really to the degree that pictures of shit and piss can be, you know, well done and artful. Like the colors are really bright.

Yeah. I like them. Yeah. There's something appealing to them on a kind of South Park level. I like them, but I want to be clear. Don't send them to me. I won't be allowed to have them. Yeah, I don't think I'm allowed to have them either, but I'll find something to do with them.

Your studio is not also a guest room, and that's why. Yeah, that's a... That is one key benefit of this studio. Yeah. Alright Adam, last package here, and I believe you have a corresponding package there with you. I do it's from One of the best friends at a sodo the card daddy built-tilly. Yes So he sent us both Priority male medium flat rate boxes

Looking inside these are gift wrapped. Whoa. I have a... There's some Star Wars wrapping paper on... on one of these things. Bill is always so generous with us. Every year. Oh man. This is a real haul. Cards in here for me. I-yeah, I just got to...

my cards too. Did you get? Yeah. Yeah. This is that old scientist, man who uploaded himself into data. Yeah. And the caption on this card is,

the bells, the jingle bells. Also a card for our... for our wives... who build uh, always remembers... come gift-tell. Oh, I see. One for me, one for... Yeah.

That's great. I'm gonna read the card to me. Betten this year's been a real dominion war for us all, but hopefully we're on our way to a better 2021 with hooves and... hangs back on the menu. Thanks for giving me my cool new job with Uxbridge Shimoda, here's to us all having enough fun to make Captain DeSoto proud. Have a fantastic holiday.

Bill. Hey, that's pretty great. Bill has great handwriting, by the way. Envy of yours. He really does. He's also done a really nice job with the ramping paper. My card says Adam, I'm glad we've all made it through this global wolf 359 so far. Here's to a better 2021 and us getting back together in person for hoves and hangs.

Thanks for making me an official part of the extra-chimota industrial complex. Let's keep making more fun. Like a happy hour on the hood. Have a great holiday. I have four packages here. I'm just going to start rippin' into them Like a tapy hour on the hood. Have a great holiday. I have four packages here. I'm just going to start ripping into them. I hope you'll do the same. I have six gifts here, Ben.

And then like an envelope full of cash. Oh. Oh. Whoa. The first one I opened is a Moon Knight action figure, which was a favorite comic book of mine growing up. Wow! The first one I've opened is a Captain Picard action figure. It's about a six or seven inch, oh eight inch tall action figure of Captain Picard with 14 points of articulation. Man! You want all 14 points of articulation. Man. You want all those points of articulation.

Remarkable. Awesome. We should have done this on the Instagram. We're fools. We should have gotten Bill something instead of stuff to do. Oh cool. I've got a Jordy LaForge wooden stackable figure. I'm gonna make sure to keep him well away of the women in my life.

Bullshit, man. It's just bullshit. Pretty cool. Uh, like, just a, just something to, to fidget with on your desk. That's great. It looks like. I don't know how Bill did this. This is a t-shirt for movie express, which is the name of the that just something to fidget with on your desk. That's great. Looks like. I don't know how Bill did this. This is a t-shirt for movie express,

which is the name of the video store in my neighborhood growing up. The place I would go rent VHS tapes when I was a kid. Oh my god. That was a deep cut. I don't think there's any chance that Bill doesn't know our ATM pin numbers just... ...fist-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed-ed form at a at a retail environment? Yeah. What's that? The logo? I mean, I definitely remember there being a film reel in there. I think that they have like a train.

Yeah, I think there may have been a train with film, film reels as wheels. Wow. But I'm not positive. It's long closed. When you hang out long enough with Bill Bill you can tell he's figuring it out Hey, I got a Picard with 14 points of articulation also. Oh, man I like it. Do you think one of ours is Malibu Picard and one is is prime Picard? Hey, here's a note to the MC toy company.

No one wears the phaser pointing at their face out of the bell toaster. Is your backyard doing that? He's got his dustbester pointed up. And it's right in the middle, too. He's got total phaser boner. He woke up with morning phaser. Oh boy, I've got a stack of bagged and boarded comic books here. These are more of a friendly fire gift.

It's like mighty fighting Marines and fighting Army, GI combat comic books. Superman and Sergeant Rock, wow. I love a Sergeant Rock comic, that's from Predator. Yeah, look at Superman, he's got a couple of chevrons on his uniform in this. I just opened up my comic pack, I've got a number of fighting Marines comics. Yeah. And a Moon Knight and a GI combat. Oh yeah.

Awesome bill. Okay, I got one last one. Oh man. I got the, I got a similar stackable figure with a stackable figure, but mine is Worf. This is great, I've got a little, a growing collection of Worf action figures over here. This will go nice next to my current and my Worf that I already have set up.

Last gift from Bill is a poster of an airplane cockpit. It's like a Sesna Skylane. That is a poster of an airplane cockpit. It's like a Cessna Skylane. Wow. Glass cockpit here, airport in the distance. I used to have one of these on my wall. It's like Gage's airplane addition. That's what I'm saying. I've probably referenced this on a show at some point.

I had a number of these posters up on my wall when I was growing up of different commercial airplanes. That's the thing about Bill, he's not only generous, he's really thoughtful, that's pretty good. That rules. The thing that is really uncanny about it from my perspective is that we talk about it all the time. Like I instantly forget everything I say on the show.

The second I've said it. Yeah. And it makes Twitter not only an aggravating but a confusing place for me. Right. Yeah. Yeah. People just kind of side long referencing something that we said 15 minutes into an episode three weeks ago. And it's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Bill not only knows, but he remembers when, and that's really amazing. Very touching. Thank you, Bill, and thanks Andy and Brian and Dan. We're all the lovely gifts.

Thanks Bill and Andy and Brian and Dan. It's awesome. Bill and Andy Brian and Dan sounds like a children's book from the 50s. Uh-huh. Dan had an accident in the threshing machine. It's one of those like lessons about about being careful around the thresher.

Right. Like the old-in-times children's books were like hard life lessons about agriculture and animal safety. Yeah. Bill was working in the meat packing plant. When a combine came down on his arm, you should never let your tie dangle over the sausage case. Adam, do you want to get into the episode that we came to talk about today. Yeah, the the winds of the of the Marin open at our backs clearly.

But as we get into the episode proper, I think it's safe to say we're tacking into the wind, which is also the name of today's episode, it's deep space nine season seven episode 22. Realize how incredible this is. episode 22. So Kira is still kicking the terrorist rhymes to the Cardassians. Teaching them the ways, stop using people's real names, start using the codes. I'm sorry, Sarah, I don't remember how the code goes. She's a great teacher because she's using the visual, right? Because nothing slaps like a ship explosion, you know? That's the attention-getting introduction that you want.

Yeah. She's demonstrating that the dudes that Dimar is putting into the field to destroy ticks are not following the rules. They're kind of improvising, putting the explosions any which way, and Karr's kind of pissed at that. Like, Dimar doesn't get it. He's like, it worked. So what are we talking about?

Let us not lose sight of the fact that the mission was a success. You need to start putting your explosives and things like shoes and underpants. That way what you do is you make a society destroy itself, guys. You don't need to resort to other acts of terror. Yes, I've heard the lecture. I wouldn't say that she's like as angry as she is just disappointed.

This is not clearly not the first time that something like this has happened. Well then you shouldn't have to be reminded. Golruzat is like the hell is her problem. Like, it's fine. We blew up a ship. That's what you want, right? It seems like exploded ship should be good enough,

but a lot of people complain about a team winning ugly, you know, like when the coach of a team that's just one ugly will often say something like scoreboard, you know, like we won the game. Who cares how we want it? That's what covers so it's about. But coach Kira is still like balling up her baseball hat and throwing it on the floor of the locker room. Go and like, no, this is not how we practiced. Right, right. Gotta tighten it up.

Yeah. That zone drill. We've been working on it for weeks. And you guys go out there and you play the man. Go resett kind of storms off. And Demar and Kira have a little post game, a post game after the post game Kira's like what the fuck is wrong with that guy

Demar's like nothing. I love it. Are you kidding? That's my guy. Yeah They like some interesting stuff here also cuz like they use the names of some names of some of the men involved with this operation. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Atethethetical to the way these dudes have been trained. They are regular army general types, and she is teaching them how to be a terrorist, and they just cannot wrap their minds around it. This is one of those scenes that low-key. I think after you watch the episode, you may appreciate even more, because Kira has got so much on her mind. She's got the Karen feeding of the Cardassian army

to consider the difference of her own life as well as odos in the face of this working arrangement and her feelings for odo, which are growing and concerned as he's starting to not look so hot. Right. And she's still able to hold it together. Look at how great she is.

Yeah, I like the way this is telegraphed in in this scene because he comes in and she asks somebody like is is there a an empty room that he can go be in by himself so that he can go be by himself and get flaky. Yeah. And he does not know that he that she knows just how flaky he has, he has become. Goal, Rousat from, from like way on the other side of the cave was like, not in my book. I had to go at that thing with like one of those waiter combs that they used to like scrape crumbs off of your table with. Scrooze his hell. When it was a kid, we had a little toy car on the kitchen table that it was like a

zamboni, you drive it around and it would collect crumbs and then you could empty the car out. Oh, I loved that thing. Then your parents tricked you into doing a chore. Yeah. So Odo is... Benjamin, I got you a gift. It's called Mr. Steamy.

You just fill him with water and then you run him over your mother and father's clothing. Thank you, Mummy. I love making your clothing flat. So, Odo's having his flaky hang when Garrick walks in and Garrick sees what's going on with Odo and immediately puts on his N95 mask and it's very concerned. And Odo's like, no, no, I'm not contagious to you. Tailors can't get this disease. Fake news. Gary, it doesn't have a great bedside manner here, but I love at least that he holds it together after seeing him in the state, you know? Yeah, this is a heavy, I mean, for a man who is, who prides himself on keeping heavy secrets,

this is about as heavy a secret as he could have stumbled into. And Odo asks him to keep that confidence. Like, please do not tell Kira, I don't want her to worry about me, but every time I go on one of these missions and shapeshift a bunch It is basically stamping harder and harder on the accelerator of this disease. Yeah, they did a great job with the makeup on him Yeah, in this scene specifically and I think it's I Think he looks worse in the dark, you know so often, a makeup effect is made to look more terrific in the hot light of a set. But I think he looks more haunted and deathly with more shadowing on him.

I think that was a good choice here. Yeah, and your imagination does more to kind of fill in detail that you can't actually see. Yeah. Go to Kotlin. Go to Kotlin. So back on Deep Space 9, Bashira's pulled four all-nighters in a row. Have you ever done that? Ben?

I've pulled a single all-nighter, but I've never stacked them up intentionally, unless I had like really bad insomnia. Either way, I've been up since 8 a.m. three days ago with Todd Tidges factored in that could be happier to see you. Yeah, I just don't know how anyone could do too. But O'Brien is trying to talk him off of this margarillage that he's on because he's working so hard to

try to find a cure to this virus that he's he's just working and working and working. Doggedly, you're not going to pull a rabbit out of your to this virus that he's just working and working and working, doggedly. You're not going to pull a rabbit out of your med kit. But she is like, I've tried over a dozen kinds of urine and none of them killed the founder's disease. Oprah, I'm like, that's actually monster energy drink. Bishir, did you think that was urine?

Yes, I find when I'm out of real urine, monster energy drink is a worthy substitute, especially when I let it go warm. Hard to tell them apart, even for me, a connoisseur. Bichir is cranky from lack of sleep and I think from lack of success. And this is something that we know about him. Like when he's frustrated by a problem, he can lash out. He's done it before, except

it's weird to watch him do this at his best bud. O'Brien. This is another episode of like what is O'Brien's job at this point? Because I'll probably just kind of seems to come hang around a lot. But this is a type of person that I remember being around the office when I used to work in an office. Like, what are you doing here? Every time I'm in the lunchroom, there you are. What's that about?

I don't care enough to ask. I'm just noting it. They talk about what could they do because they know that there is a cure out there. If this is indeed a disease that Section 31 developed, they must have developed a cure alongside it. If they have it, maybe they can just ask. And they talk about like the possibility of, you know, having Cisco float a request to Starfleet command. And that just seems absurd. Like if, if anything, that is just going to tip section 31 off that

they've kind of solved for, for the origin of the disease and only make them more jealously guarded of releasing the cure. It's interesting that there are a couple of storylines in this episode that orbit Ben Sisko and his potential power to do something that isn't actually realized, you know? Yeah, he has a really chill episode. Yeah, but she is not into the idea of asking Bentsisco. Nor is he that keen on O'Brien's idea of like infiltrating Section 31 to find the creator of the virus

in order to find its cure. And I think that's smart. Yeah. It's a very alimo-like plan, isn't it? It is. I kind of feel like this is, this is like good character work though, because like, you know,

what is a doctor going to do to solve a problem? Like get in the lab and iterate and test and retest. And what is an engineer gonna do? Like try to figure out what the shortest distance is between point A and point B and that seems to be section 31. For O'Brien. I like that. We've tried and we've tried and all we managed to do was waste two weeks chasing phantoms

from here to Vulcan. Elsewhere, Gauron is doing about Martak's big loss at Avinell. Have a note. Should have been an easy victory for him. Even though Martak was outnumbered six to one, it's not anything to be proud of according to Galron. Yeah. Galron and Sisko are having a sort of, where does the buck stop debate? In a way that made me pine for a simpler time when the head of state imagined that the buck might stop with him ever.

Who's car is this? Yeah, come on, whoever did this just get fast. We promise we won't be mad. You know what, I didn't think I would have such strong feelings for Martak, but this is a moment that made me feel that way. I was very defensive of him in this scene. I had only people shift talking him.. I was very defensive of him in the scene. I had to like people shift talking to him. And Cisco is defensive of him too.

Like, like, Cisco is writing for Martok to Galron in a way that feels like a little bit outside of like probably what his diplomatic obligations are. Yeah. Cisco has enough like, cache A to blame Galron to his face for his poor planning, which I thought was a big balls move. Look at Billy Big Balls,

sitting in the big chair. Yeah. Day's nine. And Galron to his credit doesn't kill him on the spot. But instead, like, instead like, dams him with this sort of description of like you just you're just defending Marta out of

Social obligation because your pals and not out of any professional opinion here like you don't actually think he's a great warrior. You're just you've just become close Over the years. You don't even care about warriors, man. And Gowerons, like I could take him off the board at any point, but I won't because he's just so popular. You know, you can't do that. Right. He's sort of the Douglas MacArthur of the Klingon Empire.

Right. Of course not. On Cardassia, change leader has, has now resorted to being openly flaky in front of the troops. Change Leader both shows up super late and looking like she does. Yeah, she's meeting with Wayu and Ait and thought-prin, different thought this time. How of Francis of Thoughtland. Wayu and Ait is trying to cover his ass because changeladers very upset that there is now open rebellion among the Kardashians.

And she doesn't feel like they can win the war if they if it's just brains, gemadars and some Kardashians fighting other Kardashians and Romulus and the Klingon Empire and the Federation. She just doesn't like the math. No, so she's definitely of the mind that the torture will continue until Maralim proves. She's like, yeah, like we're gonna we're gonna start dragging people off the street and doing interrogations and killing families here until we can find D'Amare, making that a pretty big priority. And crucially, like putting Cardassian civilians into military installations and just keeping them there using them as human shields.

If you could only hear yourselves by the very name as racist. I think D think Demar would have a much easier time killing about the humans outside of a military installation. That would, that would only embolden him to press his rebellion, wouldn't it? We've gotten oblique references to Demar's family before and the danger that they could be in should he have made the decisions that he did in order to lead this rebellion. But I wish we got to know them, even just a brief scene of him squirreling them away on a cargo ship or whatever. I think would have been nice. I agree. Like, Demar has definitely like been shown like sleeping with women, not his wife

and stuff. And I think that his sacrifice would feel bigger if he seemed like more of a family man. You gotta reduce the fractions, right? Because that's what I'm saying, because all you see is his infidelity, and all you hear about is the family. I think you need to equalize that to make us feel what this episode wants us to feel. I think you can have both, but knowing those characters and knowing that that he has doomed them would either help us understand like what he was willing to give up for the dream of freeing Kardashian or you know just how callous he is and how he will stop it nothing to get what he wants. Like I think either would be interesting stories to tell, but I feel like they kind of didn't get much impact

out of this storyline because it was all tell and no show. I feel like we're at the point and we can talk more about this toward the very end of the episode where we're in the middle part of this conclusion of this long conclusion story. And maybe all of the weight of the story is pressing on this middle. Like it seems like there's very little room for anything else to happen besides what we see. Right. Yeah. It's under a lot of pressure.

It's letting lots of farts go. It's very uncomfortable. Yeah. Gotta get the dominion ships outed with outfitted with these fancy brain weapons too. That's also another line item on change leaders list. That seems like a costly and labor intensive project given the size of fleets we've seen in some of these engagements.

You know what costs nothing, though, Ben? Dunking on wayoon, just over and over again. Which is what she does in this scene. Like she would flush him down the toilet if she could, but the cloning facilities are weeks from being operational again. So she's just got to deal with this fucking asshole. Fun. Here's the question. Is Wei-Yun being set up for a trader turn? Also because I feel like he's, we've watched him eat a ton of shit before and be delighted

in the process. Was it weighty six that turned coat? It feels like there's a visual language here. They hang on way you and at the end of this scene that made me think that he may have reached the limit of his shit eating. How much indignity he can endure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in the Star Trek caves where Kira and the Kardashians are working on their rebellion,

they find out about this plan to retrofit the Dominion fleet with brain weapons. And they come up with the idea that getting one of these brain weapons to Starfleet would be awesome for intelligence purposes because Starfleet still doesn't know how this thing works and why it works on Romulins and Federations but not Klingons like all of that is still a huge Question mark for them. So this this is gonna become the new mission I love that the goal is to capture the brain weapon in order to find a defense for it instead of make your own brain weapon and use it on the brain. They never refer to that idea. You think that the Kardashians would be like much more biased toward that line of thinking, right?

Yeah. Yeah. That seems like a way that Jordy would think, not a way that Legate De Mar would think. Totally. I had the same phone. It doesn't seem like Odo is going to be up for this mission. And this is a thought that Garek has that he shares with Kira that he may be a liability. He's like, hey, listen, I know in the last scene, Odo specifically asked me not to tell you this, but I'm telling you this. Dude is super sick and maybe should not be put in harm's way going forward. Curious like, are you kidding me, Eric?

I could keep up the charade for as. That's what she's going to. Which is also a- We ever had like a charity telephone. I feel like it would be called a charade for dignity. I was just thinking of naming an old folks home that I'm thinking about putting dad in charade for dignity. The conditions there, that great. I love the framing of this talk between Gerrick and Kirira, because the scene starts on a super wide shot

of the whole room with Kira and Kira and Demar and Resat all talking. And it's a very, very wide shot. And by the time we're in this moment where they are talking over how sick Odo is and how Kira is both maintaining a shirad for dignity but also willing to continue to use Odo for his maximum potential despite the fact that it's killing him. We are in like extremely tight shots on their faces and I really like that.

If that gives someone last shred of dignity to hold on to, then I'll go on ignoring what's happening to him until the very end. There's a quality to Renee Aubergian-Wise performance here that is great throughout. One thing that is absent from that performance, though, is what feels to be a mission above man kind of quality. Like, he never gives voice to the idea of,

this mission's so important that it's worth dying for. It's sort of, it's way more of that. Think of all the children on Romulus that I could save. I think it's in the restraint from that, that makes it clear that he's just there to be with Kira. Like at the end for him, that's all he wants to do. I wondered like the disease that he has is such a colossal crime. If it's if it was engineered to kill the his entire species, like what would it take to make auto turn on the Federation at this point?

If if he is willing to continue to fight on this side After after that that revelation Yeah, I mean It's not unusual for someone who has been diagnosed with a terminal illness to experience anger at their circumstances at some point. And especially when it seems to be intentionally done, it feels like a quality to Odo's life that should be present at some point. But it's not here at all.

I wanted that in some dialogue in this episode and I didn't get it. I was a little confused by that. I'll tell you who wasn't angry at being exterminated. They're Hushnak and you want to know where? Did it in the blink of an eye? They didn't feel a thing. They didn't get to debate it. They didn't get to process their feelings about it. They didn't sit alone in a room with the lights lowered, have friend walk in, see how see what a bad way they were in. You could argue, and I have argued this many times, that it was the most humane thing I

could have done. And yet, who has sympathy for me? Somehow I am the one that committed a crime that can't be adjudicated. All I did was drive the Hushnack up to a farm on Delta Rana 4. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I was sitting in my lap looking up at me. They didn't see the millions of shovels I had to swing at each one of their heads over and over again. Shovel after shovel until blisters formed on my hands. But again, holding the blink of an eye. I can't stretch that enough.

To them it was a blink of an eye. To me it was weeks and weeks. Manual labor. Time flows differently for a doubt. I mean once I really got into the rhythm of things, it was kind of an assembly line Again, I can't I can't stress this enough none of them felt anything It was really me the chaffered in the air. I mean Darod Oshia came out and issued several citations for the repetitive stress environment that I had set up and I have to thank them for giving me the velcro bowling gloves to stabilize my wrists during all of these shovel blurs Really made it a more comfortable form of execution Also confusing Adam is the fact that Wurf

Doesn't seem to regret helping Gauron become chancellor. Despite what a what a turd Gauron is acting like. It's a tough spot. And it's a good reminder of just how instrumental Wurf has been in the construction of the Klingon government as it is at this point. For a man who's so terrible at doors, he sure did open one for Gauron. He blew it all on that one door. Yeah. Yeah, this is a

scene where he basically makes the case to Cisco that Gauron is intentionally fucking Martok's program up, forcing him to pick fights with the dominion that he can't win so that Martok will put together a string of embarrassing losses and Galron can kind of reassert himself as the number one hero in the Klingon state. When Cisco tells Wurf to do whatever it takes, does Ben Cisco know what he's saying here? Like, is he? He hasn't watched every episode of TNG. He doesn't know what happened to Duras.

That's what I'm saying. Like, are you activating vigilante WARF unknowingly if you're Ben Cisco? I mean, if WARF had taken his combat job in this scene, I feel like Cisco would have known, but Cisco would have been like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, bad use, bad figure of speech, not quite what I meant.

Yeah, but what this does is it really sets up the idea of something coming when you weaponize wharf, give him kind of a blank check here. Yeah. Makes you wonder what's going to happen. It does. Back in the caves, Gal Rusat and Kira are having an uncomfortable moment. He thinks she is there to continue a Cardassian killing spree? Like leveling some accusations about like, you know,

you loved killing us back in the day as a part of the resistance. I bet you're just fucking thrilled to be out here watching my people die again. And then he puts his hands on her and pays the fucking price for that. Kira kicks his fucking ass and including a nice ax handle drop on his back.

Yeah. Did you get the feeling that she had him by the balls at the end of this scene? Oh, I like that idea. I was not thinking about though. She's got one arm around his neck and one arm kind of down below camera. And like she does a couple of things

with that other arm that make him win. And I don't know, maybe she's gotten by the knee or something, but she definitely seem to have some control over how much pain he was in. You know what's wild is I think we know exactly what Cardassian balls look like. You know? Yeah, they're nasty. I feel like I know. They've got those like neck. Instead of getting a little bit narrower, they taper like their necks. In a strange way, I feel like I know what Cardassian balls look like far more than what

Klingon balls look like, or Vulcan balls, or Ferengy balls. Klingon balls probably look like a bunch of grapes. Lots of redundancy. Red grapes. Not seedless. Yeah, but like encased in like a bony carapace protection. I love it when my wife gives them a twist. Ah, the ongoing battle that is marriage. Nothing twists my balls like a fight with my wife. He makes some fucking bullshit threat on the way out, go Resat does. And here it pays it initially, no mind until Gerek emerges from the darkness having watched

this play out and it's like, you know, you might want to take that threat seriously. And seriously to the extent that maybe you should kill him before he kills you? Some bitches coming back this way. Yeah, sort of setting up a zero sum game between Resot and Kira. Two will enter, only one will leave. I mean, you can't rule that out. You know Kira, two will enter only one will leave. I mean, you can't rule that out. You know Kira's got a dinner. Yeah.

I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford. What are you doing? Come to a Ford, what are you doing? Come to a Ford, what are you doing now? Come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford. I'm a car, I'm not a car, I'm not a car, I'm not a car, I'm not a guard. I'm not a guard. Exactly.

Back on DS9, Martak has a woken. And Wurf has an idea. Here's the thing, when Wurf brings ideas to Martak, Martak is often not receptive to those ideas. I mean, Wurf has a pretty rich history of not having his ideas be taken seriously by anyone. So this can't come as a huge surprise to him. And like, kind of terrible timing because he's pitching Martaq on a coup while Martaq is still stuck in a bio bed with a clip-show device on his forehead. Like, Worf is like, I would like to propose a- to KOO

Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha We will start by crippling cronosis postal system If that doesn't work Hahahaha

We will begin spreading misinformation about how Gauron achieve power Free and fair elections are the bedrock of any marriage. We probably, given when this episode will come out, probably will regret that as a line of comedy. Martak cops to the idea of him, him just being a lowly, cathololinder. He can't rise to the level of chancellor. I mean, even if he

thought about taking a shot at Galaron here and going through with a tukku, he doesn't feel like he's the man to actually wear the cape. And so that's where this conversation ends. Like, I'm a loyal guy. Like, I ride for, I ride for the chancellor, whoever that person is. I ride for the Klingon government. I'm a loyal troop. I'm not going to do what you're asking, Worf. I have a number of reasons why. I'm basically James Worf out of the room.

Basically, laughs in Worf's face for even suggesting it. Yeah. On the run about Odo and Kira are in the front two seats. And then Kira gets up and goes to the back of the runabout. It's been done, man. We've made it almost to the back. I mean, we don't get to see the really roomy spacious part. This is all kind of hallway stuff, but we're closer than we've

ever been on Deep Space Nine, I feel like. That area of an airplane, that's where the galley is, but not quite where the bathrooms are. Right, right. Yeah. That's where we are. We're in a privileged position. We find out about Dimars family, and he's just kind of like, he's doing that Republican empathy gap thing of like, I can't believe somebody would starve a family or put a kid in a cage. Why would they do that to me? And Kirill is like, yeah, why indeed Dimar? Yeah, it's weird.

It's almost as if you don't care about things unless they happen to you directly. Yeah. Why is that? He storms out of the room and Kira thinks that she has basically blown the alliance apart between the Kardashian rebellion and the Federation. She's like, shit, that was the one guy I needed to be. I needed to have on my side. And I, I just flipped him the biggest shit I could possibly flip him while he was processing the news that his wife and daughter were. Oh, that was stupid. And uh, Garek is actually like, Hey, I think that was like exactly when you, you flipped that kind of shit to tomorrow.

This is a great Garek episode. and this scene is one of the reasons why. I think he's going around the periphery of the story, doing what needs to be done, saying what needs to be said, even when he's told specifically not to say things to certain people. He's the sort of friend you want to have. He's proving to be indispensable here. Yeah. He is super good at the spy craft and those little nudges to the situation that kind of line everything up to go the way they need to go.

Yeah. So they rendezvous with a Cardassian shuttle that they're going to take to do this mission of trying to abscond with a brain weapon. But back on the station, we get a scene in Quartz Bar where Esri and Warf are talking over what should be kind of a lifelong regret for Warf, which is suggesting an idea, suggesting a course of action to anyone. He's like, every time I do this, it goes terribly.

I should just stop. I should really just stop. I should really just stop telling people what my opinion is. I'm bad at opinions. It's that, but it's also the location, right? Like, yeah, like the palace entry stuff should not be aired out in public. I feel like, like, they got a cocktail and they took it over to a bistro table at Quarx and are just openly talking about a toco that Wurf has proposition Bartok with on a station that has to be filled with Klingons. They wish we could say we couldn't see it coming. Filled with Klingons and other people

that are of dubious loyalty and like, or loyalty, right? Like what they're talking about. I mean, Ezra's even worse in a way because she's kind of a burn it all down and start fresh kind of critic of the constitution of the Klingon Empire. This moment really surprised me though,

not that she was wrong. I mean, and I wasn't surprised that she was right in her opinion of things. I was surprised that it came from her. I didn't think she had such strong opinions about the empire or its construction, and she is someone who has dabbled in, in Klingon for a long time. But you know, I never really, I never really got a whiff of how

she felt about the culture or the politics of, of those people. Yeah, I wonder if this is a new host who dis situation because I definitely felt like Jidziah was like down for The Klingon way in a way that Ezri is not right but yeah, I mean like Kerson and and Jidziah seem like we're both like Extremely pro the the Klingon way of life in a way that this seems to defy a little bit. The main takeaway here has got to just slap, wharf in the face though, because Ezri's

main case is like as rotten as, as the high council is and has been for years, like the reason it's as fucked up as it is is because decent men like you just watch it go to hell. Like your tolerance of unscrupulous men like Gauron running it, like is the reason that it runs the way it does. I see a society that is in deep denial about itself. She's like, you want to get into some good trouble, Wurf. You know? I like this criticism.

Yeah, me too. Back on the Cardassian Shuttle, they approach a station that I think we can only refer to as Freak Space Nine. Yeah, they approach a dog laying on its back with its legs kind of open and just so many ticks docked at the station. This thing is nuts.

It's like you got shredder, but then at the end of the movie, he interacts with the ooze and he comes out from under the pier that's collapsed on him. He's 10 times scarier. Yeah. That's what this looks like relative to Deep Space Nine. The last pile of ooms. He must have drank all of it. They put their ship in at a docking area and kind of use the classic Star Wars,

we're taking this wookie to the detention area, Gambit, but the wookie is Kira and the handcuffs are Odo. Normally, I'm the fuzzy version of these, but in this case, I need it to be more plausible. Do you want me to do the riding crop as well or hold off on that for this particular campaign? There's a new policy on the station bin and that is that no armed cardacians are allowed on a gem-hardar vessel and so they've got to give them up at the door and what's great about the door man at this gem-hardar station is that he's cardacian and what's great about the door man at this gym hadar station is that he's Cardassian and he's into it like he's in on the plan.

I'll see. Yeah. No, no cardassians are allowed to be armed and also no gym hadar who know what the leader of the Cardassian resistance looks like. Or I have to be stationed there. Right. Right. Like the demar not think you'd be recognized.

I have no idea. It's a weird to say. to be stationed there. Like, at the Mar-not, thank you to be recognized. I have no idea. It's a weird to say. The least he could have done is put on like a beagle pus or something, just to change his look up a bit. Right. Where a hat and sunglasses,

like a celebrity going into a coffee bean. Yeah, change the spoon up a little bit, at least. He does not. No. That was interesting that they go through a very DS9-style roller door here, as if the station is incorporating elements of the Kardashian. It's a Kardashian station with Tick stocked at it. It's really cool looking. tic stocked at it. It's really cool looking. They make it onto a tic and are able to disarm and kill everybody aboard the bridge of this tic by having Odo impersonate change leader.

And I wondered if this was the kind of shape shifting that could get O2 in trouble, because change leader is very flaky in this moment. Like it seems like holding shape is the thing that's messing him up. But if he's appearing to be change leader, but flaky does that count as holding shape or does that count as being flaky? I think it I think it's an easier shape to hold if you don't have to be perfect, you know? Yeah. I wondered if they had

mashed potato alarms on On these ticks because they lick a bunch of shots and kill a bunch of people and they don't seem to get in trouble but They lick a bunch of shots and kill a bunch of people, and they don't seem to get in trouble. But then they find out that the weapon, the brain weapon is like in the process of being installed. Right. As of the moment that they come aboard. This is a quality to a kind of heist war film that you and I have appreciated over the years.

The having to wait and how much stress is involved in having to wait to complete your mission like being forced to wait being forced to talk on the radio to somebody who may get suspicious when they hear what you have to say like weapons, male function, but everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here. Now, thank you. How are you? Go Roussat does not like this plan and wants to leave, even without the weapon. Yeah. I mean, he is sort of just looking for an excuse to kill Kira at all points in this

episode. And I kind of felt like that was part of what was motivating him here. Right. But, uh, but yeah, the stakes is really high and uh, when stakes are the highest is when you want to cut back to Deep Space 9 and Bashir working on some yellow liquid in a vile. Hi, hi, long. Stay sweet, long. Long, long. Even here, buddy, long.

Long, long. Lauren, Lauren. Steve, here's your buddy. Lauren, stop. Have a time. O'Brien's brought Crabbroles, which is going to help get a guy through, which is great. Yeah. I hope you have something to wash it down with. O'Brien refers to Keko as if this is a character anyone would recognize who just hopped in here over the last three seasons. This is why serialized television doesn't work, Ben.

Yeah. You can't just hop in. You're going to be confused about who Kiko is. Yeah. They came up with a cool plan here, though. They're going to lay a trap for 31 by announcing to Starfleet Medical that Bashir has cured flake 19. I love it. Good plan. Good crab rolls, Kiko. Mmm-hmm.

Numb-numb-numb. Elsewhere on the station, Galron has convened a Pataclin group where he's proposing another crazy mission. And there's a moment where you think Maraqs just gonna eat the shit. Like there's a moment of light pushback I would say. And then Martaqs finally twist my balls, why don't you? Twist my bony bunch of grapes. You haven't got the balls of a bull canary bird. But Wurf just cannot deal with this anymore. Wurf stands up, takes off the combat badge,

and suddenly the world star logo appears on the, unlike the lower, on the lower third. Yeah. Noah Disson. I always think Wurf is going to win when he hits in a batleth fight because he got champion standing all those years ago at the batleth competition. Like, I think he's the best. This is such a weird scene. This is such a weird location for a scene like this. Part of me was excited about the idea of kind of a place with low ceilings, kind of like that quality of a fight in a phone booth that you sometimes see in an action movie

is fun and interesting. But it does quite a lot. Or swung a batlet over his head like the way he did when he killed Doraus. Like he would gouge a huge hole in the ceiling and like sparks would rain down. And that would be really rad. But instead what this feels like is a fight at your parents house while they're away, because it's like it's deep space nine, it's sort of a nice place. There are objects in the

room that they that they can grab from. And there's like a vertically stood glass table in the back of the room that that is just waiting to be smashed. This is a, this is a fight scene that I had a lot of problems with. I had a, I thought it was bad that we saw how floppy the stunt batless were. I thought that the stunt man that they had playing Gauron was really, really different looking from Gauron to the extent that I thought that somebody else had

jumped into the fight at one point, especially because wouldn't that have been so plausible? One of the things I was missing from this scene is there is a table full of warriors there. I can't remember any of their faces. And I feel like in a moment like this, as important as this is to the history of the of the Klingon culture,

people should be reacting to how fucked up this moment is. And it is. The cameras are cut back to them. Yeah. And there should be that moment where you know who's on team Gauron and you know who's on team Warf and some of them are like influencing the fight as it happens. Like pushing people back into the fight

who've been thrown into the people and so forth. Right. Or like, you know, or the idea that the fight breaks out and there aren't batlets on the wall. And like, Gauron is the guy that walks around with a knife on his belt and warf is not. Like does, does warf have to fight him knifeless initially? Does somebody throw him a knife?

Like all of that would have been much more interesting. Like I don't, Mark talks like, here take this plate of meeting sandwiches. And what's like, no! The bread is chibata, hard like a warrior! I just like could have gone on like Peter Griffin versus the chicken. Like, you could have given me, where was the time is what I'm saying? Like, for something so important, give me a five minute fight scene

that spills into the corridor, that goes over the railing off of the promenade. What the gris of all, what a world? Like, make it hurt. And it's not, and to your point in the beginning Ben like Wurf is so good. It's never even in question I it felt like it should be more of a question for these two to be fighting but Wurf takes them down easily And I just come back to the way they use that stunt double the way the stunt double is like in close-ups in

In shots that don't need to be a stunt double. Like, this is season two TNG stuff. Yeah. And like, I think there's a, isn't this a mic V-HAR? It is. Episode, like, what, like, wasn't the guys rep that he like was a total perfectionist? I don't know how this got. Yeah. Out of how this got out of the first day of shooting. It feels like a schedule constraint. Yeah, there's some stuff in it that I felt like could have been really interesting too. When Warf's batlet is shattered and he picks up two pieces,

I wanted to see blood coming out of his hands because he's got to hold them by the blade. Right. You know, and really feel like how close it is, but it never feels, you're right. It feels super one-sided. Wurf is on his back on the ground, and I'm never worried that that batleth

is gonna find its way home. And he kills Gauron and gets up and they all start chanting Chancellor Wurf. Wurf, wurf, wurf, wurf. Yeah, Martok puts the James Brown cloak on him. Like it's the end of the performance. Yeah. And then Wurf is like, no, I can't be the guy. I can't be the guy. I can't be the guy. It's got to be Mar-tuck

Mar-tuck not having sought this power is exactly why It's got to be him. So wharf made the galoron thing happen by killing Durrass and then he took galoron out himself In Klingon history is wharf ever the chancellor of the high council like officially I mean for like the 30 of the high council like officially. I mean for like the 30 seconds before he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's, let's have Marta talk to it. I think he's technically the chancellor. What a moment.

Pretty wild. Marta, new leader of the Empire. RSVP Gauron. I feel bad. He should have gone out a little better than he did. I totally bad. He should have gone out a little better than he did. I totally agree. Morty to you. I knew how.

So back on the tick, they are still waiting. There's a little delay. They're having more problems installing this brain weapon down below. And this is when Odo starts to really get sick. And there's a nice cut where he is like put together and then he like ducks behind a bulkhead and Kira comes around and is like, whoa, now that's a bad sunburn. Have you ever heard of knocking? I've never heard of knocking. I think there's some allo in my dop kit.

Do you know if we brought that? Yeah, but Odo, this is travel size. I'm gonna need the three pack from Costco. This is when we get in a pretty intense cardacan standoff because this is the moment that Result picks to raise a weapon to Kira. He wants to get out of here. He doesn't, he's like, listen, like let's let them finish instilling this thing,

but you and me, Demar, take the brain weapon back and use it ourselves. Like, we don't need to give it to these federation fucks, but Garrick standing there with a pistol got thoughts of his own about about this plan. I like the tension of a resistance person resisting so badly, they can't possibly comprehend the idea of an alliance during like all. All result wants to do is take the fight back to the people and work with Kardashians to do that. I get it. I get his motivation.

Well, and then like, usually the type of training that Carol was sent there to give him was kind of base around the idea of breaking down his willingness to trust people. Like, don't tell me the names of people in your cell. Right. Like, air gap everything. Trust is a luxury we don't have. And so he pays the ultimate price, like a tomorrow, shoots him in the back, saving Kyra the work of having to do that herself, I guess. But they managed to gas everybody on the tick and steal it and warp out of there. This is a huge moment for Demar.

I mean, on a day when he's had his family killed, like he's able to dispatch with Rousseau. Like, yeah, he even says like, like, this is about making a new cardassia, dispatch with Rousseau. Like, he even says like, like this is about making a new Cardassia, and this Rousseau guy was all about the past. It kind of goes to what Garic was saying. When Kira was worried,

she'd burned Demar too hard on hearing the news of the death of his family. Garic says like, if he is the man that we hope he is, that was exactly what he needed in that moment. And maybe starting to see that Demar is the man that they hope he was. So having gassed up the ship and gone, and by that I mean gassing and killing the gem jar aboard on every other deck besides the bridge and then leaving the button on the episode is Odo's terminally ill performance here and Kira's performance is a hopeful lover, hopeful lover, but

they're both recognizing the truth of the situation. Yeah. And Odo just wants her to be with him in the end. He just wants her to stay by his side. Yeah. Did you like the episode, Adam? You really want to do this. Here, now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it. What a place for the episode to end, you know? Like when you build this multi-part sequence,

you gotta choose the ending somewhere. Boy, yeah. And I guess this is where this one falls. I've been watching for all mankind with my wife. And we watched the second to last episode of the first season the other night. And my wife told me that it was the last episode of the season. So I was expecting like some of the storylines to tie up

and everything was like so much more blown apart and desperate and scary than it had ever been. And I was like, that's the end of the season. What the fuck? I was like, oh, there's one more episode. But yeah, like I totally feel that way. Like this feels crazy. But at least they've got that brain weapon, maybe that'll help.

A lot of scenes that I liked on this episode, but almost a corresponding amount of disappointment due to the death of Galron scene. Yeah. I would say I'm pretty conflicted on whether or not I like the ep in and of itself. I mean, it's amazing how the ledger works on that, right? Because I'd say that 95% of this episode is really good, but that 5% that is the disappointment of the death of Gauron kind of makes me have neutral feelings about the episode as well. I kind of respect the idea of a story creator going, no character is more important than

the story we're trying to tell. Like that is a hard baby to kill when you're breaking a show and you're breaking a season and you're breaking a series of episodes like that I Got to believe that they wanted to do better by Gauron and just couldn't like they had to make the decision Is it story or is it character and they chose story and we don't know at this point? Whether that was a good trade-off, but that's what we get for this episode Well, do you want to see what we get for priority one messages?

Adam. Oh, do you want to see what we get for Priority 1 Messages? Got em? Oh yeah, I really do. Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement only. A supplement? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra.

But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Our first Priority 1 message is from, and it's too Byron. And it goes like this. Happy birthday bud! You introduced me to this dumb podcast, and now I paid them $100 to say that you are, and always shall be, my friend. Looking forward to building more absurd art and traveling the world someday. And hey, Adam and Ben have to read whatever I put here, right?

Even an MD5 hash out of this message. 3e01ca0250250139B9C1DF642F500DD3. Okay, peace. Was that the code that data read into the enterprise computer when you took over the ship? See, now our show's locked out, Ben. Now we can make that doesn't play. Brick anybody's iPhone or something.

I don't know what that was. No, no, either. Ben, our second priority one message is from Lauren and that's mom and parentheses and it is too baby Glenn Wow, it goes like this my son You are my Star Trek viewing buddy what makes up for how you ruined my chances of going to greatest gen conto Star Trek 3 and Boston last year with your birth. Wow. I considered going anyway since you were due over a week later, but he who is my husband vetoed this plan. Wow. He was right, because little man, you arrived during the

show. Whoa! Baby Glen, Welcome to the world Happy Birthday! I mean, all things considered... We miss the birthday by a lot. Very glad things turned out the way they did, but I'd be lying! If I said I wasn't a little disappointed about the possibility of a birth during a live show, I would have been wild. You would be... you would for sure have been the wharf of that situation somehow stuck with the task of doing the delivery. Let me tell you something a greatest gen contu Star Trek 3, not a sterile environment. Especially

not that Boston show. No, I was about as drunk as I've been. Yeah, like Boston show. Like goodness. You didn't miss anything, Lauren. Yeah, we burned the tapes of that one. All right, well, if you'd like to leave a priority on message on the show, we encourage you to do so by heading to maximumplund.org slash jembo- Tron, it's a hundred bucks for a personal message and 204 a commercial message. Thank you. Thanks. I got that gold press.

I got that gold press. I got that gold press. I got my right. Oh, yeah. I got my right. Oh. A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why?

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Do I have my glasses? Hey Adam. What's happened? Did you find yourself a drunk Shemota? A Redemode. Drunk Shemota. There's a scene where Gullrassat is telling Kira, you know, you know, I bet you love this. You're just here to kill Kardashians.

What he fails to recognize is that the sentiment is right, the target is off, because he would be correct if he were saying that to Garek, who just murders so many people on that bridge. In that takeover scene, to me, I feel like Garic is having the most fun. He's up for adventure, he's being the best friend to everyone. No one's giving him any orders. He's just doing the right thing at all times. So yeah, for that reason, Garic is my drunk Shimoda. What about you, Ben? Good Shimoda. It is also a Garyk for me for a different scene. Andrew Robinson does something with his face in this episode, in that scene

where Kira kind of drags Demar for failing to check his privilege. Learning of the death of his family. When Demar storms out of the room, the look on Garrick's face is so wild. He is like, I can't believe you just said that to him. And it's very funny, because he does kind of comfort Kira, but he like, if he didn't

bring it up, he was going to leave her feeling worse than she would have if he hadn't been there. So that scene really may relapse in that moment. So he's my drink, Shemota as well. Nice. Good one. Do. Doing the work this app. We're also gonna see if next week's episode is a good one. And in what way we will be doing next week's episode. Of course, it's going to be season seven episode 23. Extreme measures, Bashir and O'Brien link minds with the man who holds the cure to Odo's deadly disease.

Wow. Link minds, some kind of clip show? That's what they should do. It is, it is well passed due for a clip show on Deep Space 9. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna head to Gach.biz-slash-game where we keep the game of buttholes the will of the prophets and I'm seeing our right about is currently on square 73 and it looks like out ahead there's an nth degree episode that we could potentially hit.

You're required to learn as you play, roll. But I'm gonna roll this bone and see what we do. Tula! Did I win? I rolled a two. Putting us on square 75 in a regular old episode of the greatest generation. My favorite kind.

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Yeah. And that should be a lot of fun. If you've been used to that recently, you can go back and listen to our episodes about it. You got to do that. You also got to watch Adam Ragusea's great Cooking YouTube channel, which I recommend not just because it's a great cooking YouTube, but also because Adam Ragusea made all the original theme music for this program.

Yeah. That's why it sounds so great. Of course he and dark materia, you know, you can't forget about him. Yeah. Dark materia made the original theme song for this and then didn't didn't even realize that they were doing so at the time. Yeah. Well, with that, we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek

Deep Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9, which will not name itself after a weird mid-90s movie with Hugh Grant and Jean Hackman, where they like get to put to homeless people and then do surgical procedures on them. Do you remember this movie? I do remember that movie being like weirdly crappy given the prestige of the actors involved. I felt the same way. Yeah, I think I remember seeing it by myself too. Like I'm going to take myself out to a movie. How about extreme measures? And it like, it just seems like a like an HBO film that somehow got released into theaters.

It's not good enough to be in a movie theater. Tell you what, I miss Gene Hackman as the heavy. Yeah, that was fun. Those were fun days. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so.

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