The Greatest Generation - A Lotion for Everything and Everything in its Lotion (DS9 S2E2)

Episode Date: March 5, 2018

When a new first officer begins his career on DS9, the old one has a lot of emotional goodbyes to say. But when Quark is deputized by Odo, the mystery of What’s Even Happening gets blown wide open. Which Avenger is Jake Sisko reminding us of? Is Kira as sweaty as Ben thinks? Is the Three Day Rule Lifestyle a pyramid scheme? It’s the episode where we throw all orb continuity out the window. Follow the board game! www.gagh.biz/game

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

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and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecisoto for labor.com. That's friendsofdisoto for labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the primus crew in a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed. To have a Star Trek podcast, I'm Ben Harrison.

I'm Adam Pranika. How you doing, Adam? It's a day of days. This is one of those days where we've recorded multiple podcasts and not just greatest gin in one day. Yeah. Do you find that the reps help? This being the last of the several reps we're taking today.

Yeah. Well, we decided to record just one and not two greatest gins today, which I'm very relieved about because I also had a long conference call, so I'm feeling a little, a little talked out. But I'm gonna rally for this. Get that sweaty phone thing that a long conference call gives. Sweaty earbud, like us.

Yeah, gross. You don't wanna smell those buds, Ben. No. Those aren't the buds you wanna smell, is what I'm saying. Those aren't the buds you're looking for. Hey Adam, um, no I don't know nothing but I know that we have a post office box. Oh yeah we do. Have you checked that recently? Indeed I have. Ben I even checked it today. Dang. Would you like to see what I found.

We got a poster tube from Friend of the Podcast and Killsr. Oh, the great Anne Killsr. Anne Killsr sends us so much stuff that she does not need to ask what her address is anymore. She just sends. And part of the reason that I said it like that was because what she sent included no note of explanation. The first thing requires no explanation. She sent us the official cruise poster from Star Trek the cruise to and it is made up like a Star Trek

poster. It's got all the all the people who are on the cruise to all together and they and it spans all the shows. So this is like a movie poster with Sulu out front but also Kira and Q and Warf and Riker and Robert Piccardo and Crucordi. It's pretty great and it's like a movie poster because it's got the little credits at the bottom. That includes a credit for the Norwegian Jade which is the name of the cruise ship. Gotta get on that boat sometime, Ben. I know. We'll do it really.

The thing that I... I'm looking at a snap of somebody's trying to move a stir trick the cruise to poster on eBay, so that's a photo of what's on it. It's the next commercial. All right, somebody get to see it. Yeah, it's real classy. Not that I would sell it, but if I had to sell it, Ben, how much is it going for on eBay?

Let's see. I'm clicking, I clicked the, I found it on Google image and when I click it, it's just a list of Star Trek swag. So maybe it already sold and I missed. Well keep that eBay window open Ben because the tube included some things inside the tube which was very efficient packing by Ann. What we have here are our two pins. They are their communicator, ask pins and they say fully functional One for you and one for me cool, which is very cool, but the final one the final Group of items that she sent is what I need the explanation for been what we have are four Half-bumper stickers size stickers, okay, so they're like, keep Tahoe blue-sized? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a single word on each one of these.

Black background, white font, okay? And this is like, this is like, Helvetica. It's like, you'll recognize these when I show them to you. Like, like the meme we got in trouble for using on a tour t-shirt. Oh, that's it exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was crazy. Dick, vagina, fuck, and shit.

Are the four stickers? And where did your head can go with these bumper stickers? Because I'm thinking like when you're on the cruise ship, is do you put your sticker on your door and then that's what you're into? Yeah, or This is the poopy room Yeah, like welcome to the dick deck. Yeah, welcome to Welcome to state room for 16 or as we call it the Pach right Yeah, so I think I might want to follow up with Anne.

Where exactly these half bumps came from? Because I have so many questions. Yeah. Oh, thank you so much for sending those Anne. Anne always sends the best gifts. Yeah, she's really great. Big fan of the show as we are big fans of hers. She just moved out there to Japan and I am hoping that Great, a big fan of the show as we are big fans of hers.

She just moved out there to Japan and I am hoping that through her great ability to make friends that that can be a future tour stop because God damn it Ben, I want to go back to Tokyo so bad. That place is so great. What a crazy time to move there too, like two years before the Olympics. Yeah. It's gonna be bonkers.

It's gonna be box-onks. Let's try to get there before the Olympics, huh? Yeah. Or during, you know, we could get good at something in between now and then, right? The greatest Olympics podcast. I mean, I'm just spitballed, Ben. Yeah.

That's the thing we could do. Well, the number of times a week, Adam text me an idea for a podcast. Really, it's really gone up lately. That really, that really explains the crickets that I heard in my own head. That fill that, that silent space after I offer it to you. Yeah. I'm saying as I think we could do a tight 15 on the triple jump. Yeah. I can think of at least seven and a half and you can fill on the rest.

I can do that. Do you want to get into some Star Trek deep space 9? I sure do. And you can tell which show we did this morning by your pronunciation of the word Trek. I believe a friend of the podcast, John Rodrick, is rubbing off on you. Let's go full circle ban and talk about season one, episode two of Deep Space Nine, the circle. It's part two of a three-part arc, is what it is.

It's heroism's atom, and it starts with a showdown in the in the ready room over this change-em-up that has been affected affected where Kira has been taken off of Deep Space 9 duty and Lee Nellis has replaced her. I was under the impression Major Kira has been nothing but trouble to give you that impression. It's kind of an interesting sequence here of like actual apology and big city apology and the consequences of those two because Lee Nalus is like, you know what? I'm just caught up in this thing and I know you really like Kira, but like I'm going to try to do my best. And Frank Lamjell is character, Jaro is like big city apologizing to

Cisco like, yeah, it's's politics bro better get used to it and the consequence of this whole thing is Kirin her quarters and she's sort of a one-person receiving line to her departure yeah she's a friend's come in she's gotten in the in the pizza fighting outfit to pack up her bags and her doorbell just, it's kind of played for comedy. Her doorbell keeps ringing and more and more people keep coming in to bid her a dear- It's been a pleasure serving this year. Come in! Will someone please explain this conversation to me? A party! For you I would have reduced my catering to partying. It becomes clear that this abrasive character in major curinaries for all her abrasiveness has really won over the staff and they all love her.

And they all are sad to see her leaving. I mean, and they're expressing this in their different ways, Odo through full-blown rage and everybody else through normal emotions. Quark, in a, let's get drunk and screw, in a kind of way. Yeah. Dex has like the, the like, excuse of bringing by some hand lotion and Odo's like, how can you talk about lotion when I'm standing right here?

Like I'm not in the room. I'm sure a lot of your roommates on move out day gave you your lotion back been on your way out of the dorms. Yeah well I just have so much I have a lot to share as it were. A lotion for every occasion or feeling. Yeah. Allotion for everything and everything in its lotion. I like the scene. Yeah. Here's the thing. Like if you're trying to front load a conflict with some ambiguity about its conclusion, with some ambiguity about its conclusion. I'm not sure you portray the crew's feelings this way entirely, because all of them are like,

you gotta fight this. You gotta fight the man, you gotta get your ass back on here. To a person, no one is treating it as the goodbye that maybe if a few of them did, would serve the story a little better, I think. Yeah, nobody is writing for, oh, you get what you get, you don't get upset. Right, right. Or O'Brien going like, hey, can I change places with you? You could become like the head of engineering or something, and I could leave. I mean, one show that did that great

was TNG when they sent Picard and Warfin' Beverly to that Cardassian planet and they installed Captain Gelico and it seemed like they revealed that transfer of power and transfer of personnel really well, where it really felt like for a time it might be the end of the show as we knew it. Because the other thing is like, you have to wonder, like does first run audience of this think that Lee Nalus is really being set up to be the main cast character from now on? And I don't feel like that reads, you know?

Like I don't think that anybody is like watching this episode going like, wow, it's gonna be weird, like not having the non-visitor on the show anymore, you know? If you're someone who watched TNG and recalled Tasha Yard dying in the first season, I think you might be girded a little bit for the idea that a main cast character might leave so soon. Yeah, I guess so.

The scene ends with Vedic Beryl showing up and offering Kira and all expenses paid spa package at the Bajuran monastery that he lives at. And this is something that she accepts. She needs a vacation. Check out the big balls on Vedic Bariol, like basically asking her out in front of all of her friends. Yeah, that dude is so like, is so at peace with himself in the world.

He can just walk in and ask for what he wants. Yeah. It not me. I think like right around this time, we've got Jake calling his dad down to the crew deck and somebody has painted Yankee Go Home on the door to Cisco's apartment. We only see this uniform once but Jake makes the call to his dad and then his dad comes down to to their porch and Jake is wearing what looked to me like a pastel Superman onesie. Like it's got these weird cutouts in it

that looks like there could be like an S shield on the front. What is he wearing? What is he wearing? The Jake Cisco story. Yeah, give us the three story arc about how he chooses his clothes. Yeah, do you think Jake is ever like going to the dance and says, go, like, Jake, you can't wear that. It's too much knuck. I'm not letting any any son of mine go out and

revealing knuck, garmetry. You know what he kind of looks like is what's that guy in the Avengers? What the- You're talking about the Ironman? With the treasure troll charm in his forehead. Oh, the in his forehead. Yeah. I don't know. I think we're bad nerds for not knowing this, but I'm not a real comic book movie person. Imdeba. What is that fucker's name? I feel like it's a Paul Bettany. Jarvis slash vision. Jesus deep cut, man. I don't know.

He's like one of these guys that's just like in the, in the Avengers, whatever the most reason Avengers movie was. And I saw him again in the trailer for the new one, and I was like, I have no idea what that character is. Did you see Black Panther yet? I did see Black Panther. I also saw Black Panther, and we could go on and on about what we thought of that movie.

I really liked it. I did too. But fucking Marvel movies do that thing where they give you three sequences in the credits. And- Oh, you know, I didn't stay for the credits. Well, I don't think you missed anything, Ben, because I did, and I didn't understand what they were getting at. And the fucking kids in the row behind us were like, oh, that's so-and-so from the Captain

America movies, which was a branch of this Marvel tree that I have not watched. I haven't seen any Captain America movies. I haven't seen any Thor movies. And I guess he was associated to both of those. I saw that movie with our pod daddy, Jesse Thorn. And when the credits started rolling, we just like got up and we're like, that was fun. And left the theater. And then, Ellie, that's such a trope for Marvel movies that people got up at the end of Black Panther and people were like shouting them down. In back in the season. There's no over. Yeah. Yeah. I took a ride in a popular gig economy ride-sharing app the next day. And

my driver happened to be a black man and he had seen the movie the night before as well. And shared with me how meaningful it was to him to like see a movie with a mostly black cast being heroes. Like he feels like, he felt like, you know, he's lived his whole life waiting to have a hero that he really identified with and that it was like a really transcendental experience for him and that he woke up the next morning feeling like there was almost a weight off his shoulder because he could like, he could see himself

in a hero and I thought that was really remarkable. I hope I hope it's a, I hope it's as meaningful to a lot of people as it was to him. Let me ask you a question, Ben. Did you bring it up or did he? It was the first, I got in the car and he said, you see black Panther. That's good because the thing I had playing in my head was you getting in the car, looking at the driver and going, black Panther, huh? Pretty great movie like, like totally, movie. Totally. I'm cool. I'm cool.

I saw it as well. I saw it as well. Like totally the dad from Get Out. Right. I would have voted for him for the third time. Right. No. Did you go to the Americana to see the film?

And I think I'm asking for our listening audience. Did you run into a certain Frenchman while watching it? No. I suggested we go to the Americana to Jesse, and he did not, did not cut into the idea particularly. Oh yeah. And I said, well, Jesse, the advantages of the Americana are one, there's no way we can deceive ourselves that we're not living in Southern California by going to the Americana, and two,

they have dinti-fung there. And God, there's like a jay crew right there. Like what could be more convenient for Jesse Thorn? I don't think. Jesse wears a lot of jay crew to be honest. No, I know that. I absolutely know that. That would disgust him, the idea.

Yeah. He's like, he's like Brooks Brothers or Up. Yeah, he's not an off the rack gentleman. Yeah. He's an off the thrift store rack, but I don't get the sense that Jesse is doing a lot of like new clothes shopping. Yeah. For the most part, I feel like he mostly thrifts.

Just like our other friend, John Roderick. Our only other friend. Gold to cut, the cut, the cut. So. So this graffiti is the big yellow circle that we've grown familiar with over the last two episodes. Again, it's more threatening that it would happen to his front door than the symbol itself.

Yeah, this is like a first draft of a symbol. Like, it's really nothing too memorable about it. I think I'm just gonna say it, I think it's a dumb looking symbol. I think it's a dumb looking symbol. Yeah, it's a dumb looking symbol. You're not wrong. Yeah, not a fan. So we get a scene where Akira takes one last walk around

ops and it is not the earned farewell that Picard had that time he had to say goodbye to the bridge. I was thinking that myself, like as we talk about how her friends told her that she'd be missed and that she should fight and also be single. And like her having to realize through that,

that they are her friends, like she hadn't even admitted that to herself. You needed four seasons of TNG to earn that, and part of the reason this felt so flat to me was that like after a single season, I was not ready to engage this on the emotional level that it wished we did. They give us the single brass instrument of sadness, but even that, and couldn't conjure the tears.

Well, also, I think that this has been a place primarily of conflict for Kira. Like she hasn't, she hasn't ever liked the fact that she's stationed here. She hasn't ever been like, this is the job for me. I fucking love you guys. And while Picard never voiced anything like that, he definitely, not until the finale of the entire series did he-

Right. Voice that. But he lived the truth of it, you know? And like the bridge did feel like Picard's home. In a way that the op section does not really feel like Kira's native turf. Odo mentions to her in the condo that, you know, you're a hot shot detective that doesn't follow the rules.

And that's your brand, baby. And the more other people describe her, I'm not sure. You're a renegade, but you get results. And you're coming back for one last job before you get out of the game for good This is another way that they don't earn the moment is because it's talked about odos like you remember all those All those missions we went on like crackin some cardi skull and kick and ask like those were the days Like looking wistfully out the window. To hear this stuff and not see it prevents us from fully engaging the gravity of it. Yeah, maybe they could have cut a little montage of past little role in the clip show device,

put it on our head, show five or six examples of... Get some vitamin C graduation song up in there. Everybody's free to wear sunscreen. Another turning point of looks looking. God, um, friend of the show Dave was the time. And I still can't think of the name of. And what I told him was, like, I am so envious of your ability to just launch into an impression that you aren't sure you can pull off.

You're thinking Andy Rooney. I'm thinking Andy Rooney. That impression of Andy Rooney, like, I'm hoping you answer me honestly here. Have you ever done an impression of him before you did it on that show? No, and I, I recall. That's can be completely bravery, man. As I recall, I got about half of the way into a sentence and then realized I didn't really know what Andy Rooney

would say about anything. Oh, man, this is too much pot on pot. Anyway, the... Kira gets on the lift and it goes down. It goes down to Bejure. Yeah. Basically. We have this passing of the baton.

So Lean Alice is now in the Kira Narees job. And Kira is trying to find some serenity. We find her very angrily attempting to rearrange stepping stones in a stream on Beijor. And I mean, I'm not a particularly spiritual person, but even I can tell that that's not how you find inner peace. I had a real problem with with Reddick Baryle's seduction technique here. I had a real problem with with redic barile seduction technique here, Ben. A little on the nose when he steps into frame and says, perhaps you'd rather try your hand at woodcrafts and then like puts his hands on this waist, like as if to present his uncut bejoran cock.

It's crooked. And yet it seems to be, it seems to go over her head. Like she's so, She's so upset that... She doesn't want to... She doesn't want to porn for the dialogue, because that's straight out of that. She skips that part. But did you get this vibe the entire time? It's all seduction.

It's not about Kira at all, and i don't know why she feels so in client to to believe that it is you know you mean you mean that i feel like her characters truth is that she's down there to get spiritual and reddick barai's bryles deal is to seducer but i feel like here is smarter than that yeah she knows she's been sidelined and that's super frustrating for her.

That's the ultimate lady boner killer for her. She's like, I'm not in the mood for sex. I'm pissed off about the fact that I had a pretty cool career going and now forces that are entirely above my pay grade have conspired to take me off the field of play. She's had a crazy couple of days, huh? She goes behind enemy alliance, gets Lee Nallis, pretends she's a hooker. Now this priest is trying to bang. Yeah, now she's banged and priest. She even has a, they, an orb experience, which I think is her first. And it's interesting, it's interestingly incoherent and not, it's, you know, you can't quite take as much meaning from it as the, uh, profit orb experiences that Cisco has had,

or at least when Cisco has had them, he comes out fairly sure of what he should be doing. Also, usually the profit orbs don't make Cisco be nude for half the time. Yeah, I mean, one thing that they made Kira do that happens all the time is she turned the camera and went, ow! Yeah, she has a very steamy religious experience here.

I think DS9 handles dream sequences so much better than TNG. I feel like 90% of the time that was data's dreams though. So who we've been, that was man. It is a cellular peptide cake with menta frosting. Those felt very clunky and on the nose. And there's a fair amount of ambiguity to what she's seeing. Like it feels more dreamlike than what we've gotten before on the other Star Trek shows. So I think they did a good job here, but you're right, it's a mishmash of Dax and Vettic

Win and Vettic Baryle. And she's in the middle of all these people who appear to want something from her and then Baryle shows up nude and wants something else from her. And then Kira's nude also, they sort of, he takes her into his arms and a kind of cover of a romance novel pose. Yeah, it's, and like she, like lifts her head up and you can see that there's sweat dripping down her throat. It's really intense.

Like, I wonder if they like misted them down because he's pretty sweaty too. I don't know what it is about the fidelity of my copy of the episode, but I didn't rock the sweat. There's sweat, baby. Trust me, there's sweat. Have you ever had to sweat an actor down? No. Um, yeah, sometimes in my career that I've like actually gotten to direct actors is Not that many Yeah, yeah me neither It's always it's always about breaking out the powder Gotta get that shine off. Yeah, right You don't want people to look sweaty for the most part

Unless they're nude in a dream sequence right.. I'm not sure too many of those, man. So quirk bursts into Odo's office and is like, man, we got to cut and run. It's over. Not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, not be car, be car, not be is about to consume itself. Yeah, I love the idea that Quark is looking around and is like, this is about to go sideways. I gotta go tell my buddy, Odo, it's time to get out of here. Yeah, and I mean, that's a continuation of a thread that began in the first episode of this three-parter,

which is like Quark is really trying to get on Odo's good side and really trying to engender Odo's good side and really trying to engender some good feelings between them. I guess this is something that a friend does to help out another friend. I mean, if he truly cares about, I mean, wants Odo to leave, too. Yeah. And no good deed goes unpunished, does it, Adam? No, because that earns him a field promotion. He's a he's pin to star to one

of Quark's giant ears. Deputy Quark. I mean, he wears so many vests already that feel like he's ready to be a share of Stepity. Yeah, I like that it's smash cuts and it's the bad boys song and then it's just a bunch of bunch of shots of quirk taking down nude men that are running away from him. See when you said the bad boys song I had the wild wild west songs stuck in my head because here's my thought where my thought process went. You said bad boys, I thought of Will Smith from the film series, Bad Boys. And then I thought of Wild Wild West.

Also of the Will Smith. That is complicated and wrong. Film Ubra. Like I skipped over the song, you referred to completely. I believe in improv, they call that going A to C. That's what I did. Yeah. Yeah. Odo has been communicating with security dudes down on Bejor and has formulated a theory

that the arms that the circle are using to inflict violence on the surface are coming from dubious places. And in fact, like every time Beijor is described in this episode, it's described as being like extremely chaotic and violent right now, and like a not safe place to be at all. Like the station feels at a remove, but when they talk about the capital city, it's like beatings and shootings and like guns everywhere and it's super crazy and chaotic and like members of the government are getting their asses kicked

by the circle. DoBS arms was my high school yearbook superlative. Yeah, you were in that picture of the weightlifting club, but just like way off in the one corner and not really with the rest of the group. That is a great name for a workout club, right? To be as arms. Yeah. It's funny though, because when we go to the surface, it's always in the super bucolic and peaceful grounds of the monastery. So... Yeah, there's a monasticism to that scene and then there's also the ultra

corporate look to to where the government lives. I hate being told that a planet is in chaos and not seeing any of it. Right. It's a way too much to tell not enough show. Right. Kira and Briola are like walking around in this in this park land. I guess we should say Odo and Quirk formulate a plan to get to the bottom of where the guns are coming from. And we get back to the monastery grounds and Bryl and Kira walking around when they are surprised by Nanava, then Vedic wind. What a pleasure to come upon such a flowing exchange of spiritual harmony.

Fedic win is doing that thing that she always does, which is like that hostile niceness. She says something that really made me laugh here, Ben, which is something that you and I have discussed quite a bit. She's like, you know, you can stay as long as you want. Day is even, maybe even a week, if necessary. She's really setting limits while maintaining the veil of niceness.

And that, that's our three day rule, Ben. We've talked about it a bunch. That's what the three day rule is for. Yep, somebody's gonna stay at your house, set a hard limit at three days. You don't have to tell them why. You could tell them that you have a thing and be as specific as that.

I am telling everyone in the sound of my voice. You can limit a lot of conflicts in your life if you prescribed to this three day rule. It's a great rule. I'm glad you told me about it. I highly recommend it. Ever since I started living that three day rule lifestyle that you put me onto, Adam,

my life has been way better. Ben, how would you like to work with your friends and family? EARN MONEY FROM HOME WITHOUT LIFING A FINGER. Yeah. One thing that came out in this scene, she's a little salty that Burial helped himself to the orb and just let Kira look at it. And they were saying it is the third orb. And I remember in the pilot episode, Cisco is given an orb and said there are eight orbs.

The seven others are in Cardassian custody. You gotta get them back. And that seems to have stopped being the story. At some point. Did I miss something? You sound like someone who wants to read and respond to a lot of email. I don't. I'm going to take the side of the person writing those letters

and say, I'm not sure that's the case. I don't think so, Ben. But I have no idea. Well, Ben. Yeah. But I have no idea. Well, actually. I feel like a Vedic barile is just as annoyed at win as anyone else. Oh, yeah, the Hater.

It's not like win has her fans among the bejorins. I think she's universally like school children and parents of school children notwithstanding. Like I feel like people look at her kind of a scant and they don't really like her attitude. Yeah, I kind of wonder why nobody ever calls her on her one thing. And it's like, Fediquin, you always couch things in such nice language, but there always seems to be barbs.

You know, just name the game and see what she says. Yeah, no one ever tells her how much she sucks, right? I feel like people were more direct with Laxana Troy than they are with Fedrickwin. Yeah, at least people rolled their eyes in direct with Laxana Troy than they are with FedicWin. Yeah, at least people rolled their eyes in front of Laxana. Right. Right. So, I think it's around this time that Cisco heads down to the planet and meets General Krim, who is the Bajurian militia leader who is trying to hold hold civil society together with his two bare hands,

basically. And it's, it's kind of an interesting interchange because Cisco offers the, you know, the general like, hey, listen, like we've got some pretty interesting intelligence that these guns might be coming from Cardassia. Do we know that yet? Quark described the cruisaries' arms as dubiously obtained. And I think the subtext to any sort of armament in this context is probably Cardassian adjacent, if not directly Cardassian. So when Odo ratifies himself and stoves away on the ship, that's what he finds.

Right. Yeah, any treaty has to be ratified and so too any arm steel. He could be anything. And yet he's frequently the rat. Yeah. Maybe that's just his kink, man. I rat with googly eyes on it. The other thing is that Cisco is asking the general for a favor, like, hey, my girl, Major Kira got moved down here and we really like her up on the station and if she could get reinstated or stationed there and some other capacity, that would be cool,

but just any like cool job for her at this point would be appreciated because I like her a lot and I think it sucks that she got taken out of the game. And the general really respects that Cisco didn't try and use the Chrisari information as leverage for the Kira play. And it's like, it's one of those, I feel like this is great writing because it's like, maybe you wouldn't even occur to a star fleet to use information as currency because they're so unused to using currency. Yeah, but I mean, I might take the other side of this argument and saying that what this foreshadows is when that favor is returned. And that moment can feel far more satisfying

if it is not foreshadowed and instead referred to in that moment down the road. Right. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I liked the moment and I liked that it kind of ends with respect knuckles against these two characters who you can feel the tension building between. Right. Yeah.

It's a cool way for... It's a very starfleet way of addressing somebody who has the potential to make a lot of trouble for you. It's just like, hey, like full respect, I die. Here's kind of what I hope will happen. Yeah, and you know, for all the professional courtesy they share to each other, I think it's useful to remember that Cisco doesn't have a lot of power here. Right. Like he's going down there to see what's up. He's also there to ask a favor. He doesn't have a lot to give.

And this leads into scenes that happened toward the end of the episode. Just what are his choices? I think he's seeing those being reduced at a pretty rapid pace. Yep. It's like getting toward the end of a game of solitaire and realizing you are not going to finish your game of solitaire. Right. Right. He goes in, you know, tells Kira that he's still riding for her and he likes her monastery vestments. And he, like the second he leaves, she gets grabbed by faceless jawas and abducted off to the... to the star trick caves the jab a walkies are back but a lot of people argue that they never left been

right the uh... the uh... uh... uh... use the bucket

star trick cave scene is revealed that minister jaro for some, like anytime somebody said, the name Jero, I thought they were saying general. And whenever this is a general, I thought they were saying Jero. Hmm. I don't know, I don't know what that was, but I kept getting confused

about who people were talking about. But Jero is the force behind the circle. In fact, he is the circle. Ah! The law! When you cast Frank Langella, I think, like, he's never going to play the role of the good guy, you know? Like I can't remember a role of his where he has.

He's always either Dracula or a peripheral bad guy. Right. And so this reveal also was not entirely surprising, but what's great about it is his performance. Like, Langella, Langella is the shit out of this. And when he takes the high ground in those caves and reveals himself out of the shadows, like that's deeply satisfying in a way that,

when you're him, that's what you get to do. One time Frank Langella played a good guy was in robot and Frank. Have you ever seen that movie? No, and God, that was a siff a couple of years ago. And that was one of the ones I wanted to see, but just didn't It's fucking great

It's about a older man who is you know presumed presumably kind of declining mentally who's instead of his family coming and reconnecting with him they just get him a Humanoid house robot who roaps into some fun hijinks and schemes and it's written by Chris Ford who listens to

our show and is a friend of the greatest generation. What? Yeah. I highly recommend the movie Robot and Frank to anybody who enjoys thoughtful and funny sci-fi. Wow, I'm going not just because he's a friend of the show, but I will go out and see that immediately. When you started describing the story, I thought you were going to get into some real lars and the real girl vibes there. Yeah, they bang all over the house. Elderly Widow or Frank Langella is lonely. I'm so lonely.

I have no one to spend time with. That's when his friends chipped in and got him a real girl. Skip 15 if you're worried about spoilers but it turns into a heist movie. It's really fun. Cool. Any of you fucking prince Mo! I'm not gonna execute every mother fucking last one of you! So Frank Lenzuela is hanging out in the caves with the Jabalwakis. And they say to Kira a thing that dovetailed a lot with a guy in India who was denying me an extra seat on an airplane that I was trying to buy.

When he said, the British left a lot of things, specifically their bureaucracy. And I was like, you say that like it's a good thing. No one despises the Kardashians more than I major, but we did learn a few things from them by how to encourage people to talk. So we're going to now torture you. And this is something that O'Brien has stated his thoughts about many times over. Yeah, they wheel her into a room where there are four lights.

I mean, we never see them, but we can assume, right? wheel her into a room where there are four lights. I mean, we never see them, but we can assume, right? Yeah, she's got a, she's got to eat, what's the egg that you eat with the hood on your head? Oh, it's blue. The wheeler into that room with the lights, she's got to eat the blue. Yeah. There's a,

there's a bunch of, like more mental torture happening. Right. Yeah. And that implant with the universal remote. and uh, spent a more mental torture happening. Right, but yeah. And that implant with the universal remote. Right, I love Nanaa Vizator. I don't think there's any question about that, but were you surprised at how she played this scene? Like, Jero basically says, I'm gonna torture you now.

And she basically like, she does nothing. I was expecting her to go ape shit in there Yeah, start taking the row and some shit and like get into a star Trek fight with people trying to escape before she's subdued Yeah, but that it sort of fades to commercial was very dissatisfying for me especially When we've spent so much of the episode talking about you know what a badass cure it is, all her friends, describer is such, I mean maybe her blissed outness in the gardens with a vetic barile sort of. It's soft and rare too much. Yeah, that's what it seems like.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you can mentally edit in a cool Star Trek fight in that scene. That's right, I can do that. I will. Much better. Up in the station, they're like, just finding out that Cure is missing

and they're talking over, you know, like, oh, you know, how do we figure out where she is? And Cork barges into ops and is like, hey guys, I've got some news too. And they're like, knock it off, quark. Get out of here. And quark says, fuck you, quark. No, listen, I'm, I'm deputy quark now. And I've got news from Odo. He went and, he went and ratified himself and observed an arms trade and And we know where those where those weapons are going man Yeah, and so now for the first time everyone's on the same page about where these weapons have come from Yeah, it's the the kardasians are sort of doing a

Like a a backdoor destabilization of the relationship between the Federation and Baylor. It's a Putin level dirty trick where if Baylor stops trusting the Federation, the Federation will have to go and then Baylor will be weak again and the Kardashians can come back, get their space station and get a bonus space butthole that they didn't even know about last time they had that space station. It's a chilling comparison to a contemporary problem, Ben. It really is.

Kind of wild. So they mount a pretty cool Star Trek rescue mission. A lot of fun phaser fire, a lot of different guys getting beamed with energy weapons in the Star Trek caves. We now have more off-camera action too because you know Kira has been tortured because you see her fucked up face. Right and you hear her screams, but you don't see it happen. And again, like I want to feel something for her. That's you know how many lights she thinks there are. Right, right. Like, again, I want to feel something for her that's bigger than what they think there are.

Right, right. Like, I love her, but they got to beat her up, I think, for it to get super dark in the way that I think it needs to be. Yeah, I mean, like, it's like five minutes of show in between her getting abducted and getting rescued. No kidding. It's like that little amount of time. of show in between her getting abducted and getting rescued. No kidding. It's like that little amount of time.

Like we get the entire Franklin cell monologue about him being an evil bad guy. The entire debate about where she might be and what happened, the reveal that the Kardashians are behind the whole thing to the gang and the rescue and like she's back in six bay in five minutes. You know if we're starting, if we're talking about story efficiency, I mean this is like disco level story density. They've already committed to a three episode arc. What the fuck is the difference between

going for a fourth episode? Like, let it breathe a little bit. Maybe Langella's paycheck? Oh yeah. I bet these episodes cost a little bit more than your average. Absolutely. Yeah, strike that from from the record. I'm gonna stack those landjello bucks. And so then we get a full on conspiracy scene between when and Jero where they are talking about their plans and he's gonna be the leader of of the pejorant government, she's going to be the leader of the pejorant religion and they're going to like help each other get into power by whatever means necessary and if she gets to be the guy then he gets to you know like they're linking their fates and really like twirling their moustaches the entire time.

Are Jeroen fucking? It is kind of implied that their relationship is more than just professional. I most definitely felt that way. Part of it is how they frame them because they walk around each other the same way as Vedic, Beryl and Kira do. Well, and it's also like sunset and they're always, yeah, it's like very telenovela, the way they're always like both looking in the same direction, but one is, you know,

way in the foreground and the others in the background. One thing that's blocking in this fucking episode. Everybody is always like walking from one part of a set to another and then turning and saying a thing. Like that scene in Kira's quarters at the beginning, like the rehearsal of that must have, they must have gone 25 times before they had all the blocking down.

It felt very stage play as scenes go for this show. One way I really liked that final scene also was like you rarely get two movie actors in a scene together with no one else on Star Trek and to see Luis Fletcher and Frank Langella chop it up for a good three minutes together was great. Very satisfying. Like they elevate each other in a way that is just really nice to see. I'm not diminishing the contributions that the many good actors make on this show, but like there's a difference. There's a difference between decades of film experience that

these guys have. And it's fun to watch. It is really cool. They're like really bringing a lot of prestige to the proceedings. So the button on the episode is Cisco taking a facetime from Admiral Chicoete who for those keeping track at home is just a white guy and does not appear to have anything to do with the character Chicoete from Star Trek Voyager. And this guy is saying like prime directive trumps them knowing that there's a criminal conspiracy afoot to overthrow the provisional government on Bejor and ordering the withdrawal of all Starfleet people from Deep Space 9, which is not what Cisco wanted to hear. And one thing we know about Cisco is that he's kind of a master of stalling.

Right. Like, that's kind of his main go-to move is like, hold him up in Space know, he's always stalling. I intend to take all Starfleet instruments, material. In fact, all federation property of any kind. How quickly can we do that? Well, sir, that'll take days. Where week for all I know? Well, I mean, what someone could call stalling another person could describe as thoughtful.

Like, I was pretty blown away at how quickly Chico Te made the decision to evacuate the station. Yeah In the factors go ahead and bail real surrender monkey. Yeah, and God I would have You would hope that That the administration of the Federation would take a little time to think about this, but But that's what Cisco does and that's's what he, that's what he forwards as a plan when he asks, so Brian, how long it would take to evacuate. And then he's like, well, what if we like literally took everything, like down to the last pencil that we brought

with us? You know how you move out of an apartment that you've rented and some of those apartments you, you're contracted to clean really well before you leave and the other one you're just able to leave without cleaning. Give me that. You move out of an apartment and you don't clean. Doesn't really matter. Every time. You'll lose your security deposit, Rambo. It's like eight days.

O'Brien's like, well, yeah, to get every pad off of the station, to get every runabout out of here, it's going to take that long. So that's the plan. He's like, this goes like, it looks like not all of us are gonna be gone in time. And he squints, he squints to be continued. Yeah, Riker squint to be continued. Yeah. A plus.

Did you like the episode at him? I think it's hard to like the middle of a trilogy. Most of the... What about Empire? Yeah, I mean Empire's great. Fucking A. Alright, Empire's great. Jeez. For the reasons that I stated before,

like I just, it felt a little flat throughout. You got Lee Nallus as a part of the story that doesn't really offer anything. You have... Right, he's so pivotal in the last episode and this episode he is kind of a doormat. Right, you have Kira, which should be a very high bullet point

in her character story, which is, she's tortured by Jero. Shortly after looking into a prophet orb and seeing a depiction of her future, like this should be a pivotal moment in her life. And even that feels flat to me, given how little we see of her as a result, and how much she's talked at instead of having her own agency about things. Yeah. And those are the episodes that I really like the best is when characters act like themselves

and display the agency that they've earned. And so, I mean, it's not like it's a bad episode, but like the character work isn't as strong as I like from episodes that I like. Yeah, I mean, the other thing is it never feels in this episode like we are being dug into a deeper hole. If they'd gotten it where the station is being evacuated and Kira is still missing and abducted and presumably getting tortured, like end- and end to end, I wanna feel super deep in the hole at the end of this.

And I feel like they got maybe one too many wins before the end. For it to feel like that. That's a great rewrite, Ben. Absolutely, yeah, like raise the stakes all the way. Ratchet that shit up. I don't want any wins at this point. Not even so far. Not even Vedic wins.

Then do we have any priority one messages? Hell yeah. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. supplement on it? Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship? And I'm our first priority one message

is of a commercial nature. And it goes like this. Kapla, Star Trek fans. Pour yourself a hot wrecked genome and check out Advanced Sagebrush and Shootouts at ASSPodcast.com It is a comedy role-playing podcast set in an 80s slash 90s action TV world. Advanced Sagebrush and Shootouts.

It's like the adventure zone, except not for nerds. It's for cool Star Trek fans like you. And then parathetically it says, please say, ASS instead of S. They're called to action here is search for advanced sagebrush and shootouts in iTunes and some scribes or go to Aspodcast.com I'm so glad they were specific about the ass That's great marketing by them anybody that listens to to our show knows the weird specific about the ass. Man, this sounds fun. Yeah.

They have a cool lifestyle on their webpage too. That's a well-written blurb there because they know their audience by comparing anything to the Adventure Zone. That's how we should do our show. It's like the Adventure Zone, except not a role-playing game, but it's about Star Trek. And we're like, you know, a third is funny, probably.

Ben, we have a second priority one message. It is of a personal nature. It is from James Anderson, the proposed. It is for Sarah Giffon, the one who proposed. I remember this. This is a callback atom. This is an and now with the conclusion prior to one message. Yeah.

Message goes like this. Yes, I'll marry you. I may be a robot, but I'm fully functional. And when we assemble our own Lall, we'll name her Ila. I wonder what Ben's rate is in scarves to officiate. Also, I'm sorry I let it slip that day's nudge before we finish season 6 together 5 years ago. Well, nice work, James. You just spoiled it for Adam.

Wow. Sorry to any viewers who didn't already know that too. James says in parentheses. Shout out to Griffin. Man. James, if that part gets bleeped and I actually truly believe it should be know that I read it and

and know that I'm very disappointed in you Not not for not for the whole wedding proposal, which was great Yeah, and congratulations Sarah for having your your proposal Yeah, and congratulations, Sarah, for having your proposal given a yes to. That's, I know that it's been like at least a few weeks since Sarah proposed, so pretty exciting that she finally has her answer. You have my deepest feelings of joy for you both. However, the priority one message is not for spoilers. James. The priority one message is not for spoilers. And I expect Ben to tell you that in person when he officiates your wedding.

I was going to say that Adam and I are a package deal for wedding officiation, but I think Adam is so mad now. You know what the package is? Is that you're the officiant and I'm the flower boy. Adam, I have to apologize. I exchanged some emails with our friend Daniel. It makes fun about the spoiler in there. And I said, I don't think we care about spoilers for anything that's only available in standard definition because he was offering to write in and have them edit that for spoilers. But I didn't realize he didn't know. Maybe you stick it unedited after the end song to the show.

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He's like, wow, you're so tense. Why don't you come stack rocks on my garden and maybe I'll show you the box. You need to, he like rubs your shoulders. He's like, wow, you're so tense. Why don't you come stack rocks in my garden and maybe I'll show you the box. Like as a form of seduction, I don't like him. And what's more is I feel like we are supposed to like him in the context of the show. Right.

And I'm resisting that actively because of his sort of scummy techniques here. So I know this isn't a great place to like call attention to that because a Shemotus supposed to be sort of a joyful example of something better than that. But like I feel like it's also a good placeholder for something that's really an outlier when they're us at the show. And I'm gonna use my Shimoda for that. What do we or do?

We're do. My drink Shimoda is one of the guys in the circle that is defending the cave when Cisco mounts his rescue operation. One of the majorians is guns out. Like he ripped off the sleeves of the uniform that everybody else is wearing. That's the same so that he could have those arms going

for the for the shootout scene. And I just love the idea of him like you know he's living in a cave and going out and doing, like, terrorist actions, but he's like looking at his, his, the circle uniform and he's like, you know what, this would, you know, it would make this look awesome. Fucking, some arms dude and just rip some off. He's not missing back and bicep, dude. Yeah, yeah, this dude is a lot of fun.

Shout out to all my Jim Shimotor rats out there. Yeah, well those Jim Shimotas, this guy is definitely one of them. What do we have coming up on the third episode of this three episode arc bin? Well Adam, I believe we have committed to now reading both the Netflix and the Amazon episode descriptors

let me. That's a commitment that you made. I would encourage you to read the one that you find best. Okay well the uh the third part of this three part arc is season two episode three the siege part three. While Cisco leads a daring last stand against the Bajorin takeover forces, Kira and Dax embark on a desperate mission to reveal the truth about the coup. All right. There's a desperation aplenty of these three episodes only. I don't really feel it. Well, you know, sometimes it's nice to not feel the desperation that everybody else is feeling,

you know. If anybody was wanting to know how Netflix describes that episode, it goes like this, with less than five hours remaining before Bajorin forces are due to arrive, Cisco continues to evacuate deep space nine. There it is. If I'm going to vote on all of these, I'm voting for that one. Let's break capsule. Real dumb. Real dumb.

So that's next week. I believe we have a Gach.biz slashgame to play at this point. Sure do. Do you want to roll the dice this time, Adam? Oh, I thought you'd never ask. I'm always blowing on yours. You're required to learn as you play, Role. Alright, I've, uh... I've put the die into one of those yatsy cups.

Heh heh heh. Giving it a good shake, and there we go. Shula! Did I win? All of it. And my number is one. Okay, well that puts us on square eight, which is nothing.

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