The Greatest Generation - A Peepee Poopoo Based Star Trek Podcast (VOY S6E24)

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

When Doc Holoday gets bad news from Jupiter Station, he mails himself there to try to impress his dada. But when Dr. Z turns out to be a terrible patient, it takes a conspiracy from Barclay and Troi to bring them together. Which type of prison will Chakotay be sentenced to? What’s the most troubling thing anyone has ever come up with in Star Trek? Why program Haley with such specific kinks? It’s the episode that confirms Doc Holoday wears Ron DeSantis shoes!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Friends of DeSoto for Labor.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on YouTube.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

The Share Your Embarrassment Tour is close to wrapping up for the year. And with only 5 shows left, you can't wait to get your tickets, because they're gonna be gone. And we can't announce it yet, but there will be one final performance of the Share Your Embarrassment Live Show, early 2024. Because of existing agreements with venues and promoters, I can't tell you which city it'll take place in, but I can reveal that it starts with an S and it ends with an Anfram Sisco. Anfram Sisco without the S. Yeah, that's just the end part of it. Share your embarrassment with us and the friends of Disodo and gain strength from the sharing in these remaining cities. Seattle, Salt Lake City, Denver, Portland, and Los Angeles.

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Captain Captain Bringsden where the U.S. is. Fort Hector. Do it Captain. Welcome'm Adam Pranica. How you doing today, Adam? I'm great. You look great. Ready and great. That's me. You look handsome. Hmm. Did you get a haircut? What do you think?

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm great. You look great. Ready and great. That's me. You look handsome.

Hmm. Did you get a haircut? What are you buttering me up about? What's the bad news you're gonna drop on me? Not giving you a shit sandwich. Ben, I'd say it's a great opportunity to bring back a beloved segment. Mmm. This is a tour story.

Tour story of two podcasters. I'm sure I'll have to bring back a beloved segment. Mmm. This is a tour story. Tour story! Of two podcasters. Welcome to the greatest generation. Who chose to leave their house. Go on the road. And do their show in front of an audience. To find out what happens.

When things stop being edited. Oh no. And start getting real. The tour world. You know we're out on tour. You should know we've been out on tour for a little while, almost halfway through the share your embarrassment tour. My philosophy has always been if you can remember being on tour.

You weren't really there, man. Yeah. That I think I believe you and a lot of friends at DeSoto believe you too. But we came back with some really fun stories and experiences from our last leg. Peak behind the pod is that we returned from our East Coast leg of the tour recently. and we got a great invitation

from our friend of the Soto to visit a very unusual place to visit a home that he partly owns that we all partly own sometimes someone will slide into the DMs. This is why I love Bill Tilly He's our filtration in there. He's like hey guys. I got an offer from an FOD It doesn't seem legit, but here you go and the offer was like hey, I work in and around the White House. Do you want a tour? And this is a couple months ago that this person reached out and I work in and around the White House. Do you want a tour? And this is a couple of months ago that this person reached out.

And you and I were like, we've gotten a lot of invitations to a lot of strange places. Most of them are bullshit. But this one seemed legit because it came with options for dates and times and a link to a background check. And that that seemed pretty legit. Like on like the White House dot gov domain.

Right. Turned out it was legit and friend of the sort of David and you and me and Bill and windy and then David's friend Louis and his, Alissa, all got to go on this tour of the West Wing and then like the executive office building that's like right next door to the White House, like within the grounds. And boy, it was so cool and fun. Not something that I ever expected to be a part of making a podcast about Star Trek and taking Vartjokes with you. I didn't expect it to be so chill. It was Sunday morning that we did this.

And I think part of what made it so cool was that it was so chill. Like next to nobody was there. Yeah. Everyone seemed to be in a pretty cool chill mood as far as like security and secret service and all that goes. Like, yeah. It was a good vibe.

You have one point struck up a conversation with a secret service agent officer. I'm not sure. She was in uniform, not in like a suit. I believe the term is secret servant. Oh, okay. And she was like super nice and like wanted to tell us about what it's like to have that job.

And like, she was like telling us about how much she enjoyed getting to travel for work. And we're like, oh yeah, we travel for work too. Pretty neat. I went to high school with someone who became a secret service person. A secret servant, I believe, is what they prefer. And he said I just missed him. Like he was at the White House that day. Wow. And I never thought on a million years that he would be there for any reason, because I

know what his posting is. And I was like, well, there's no chance of that. I didn't even try. But yeah, he was there. Wow. Pretty wild. Shoot. Well, the highlights for me were getting to see the Oval Office, getting to sit at the desk from which the vice president records like addresses.

Oh, yeah. It's very interesting how like some of the rooms in these buildings are set up for film and video production. Obviously, the press room is, and the press room is one of the few rooms in the West Wing where you're allowed to take your phone and take pictures. We had to put all of our devices in a locker on the way in because of security concerns. But there's also just offices in the executive office building next door that are like nice historic offices that are like wood lined

and have like gilded ceilings and stuff. And they have camera equipment and like mixing boards. And all of the things that we are used to using in our old careers to make videos. Yeah, it felt very familiar in that way, in a very unfamiliar place. Yeah, and like equipment that I recognize,

like, oh man, I've used this like monitor on, you know, I've rented that for productions that I've used and stuff like that. And it was a real treat. And I think the absolute best thing about the tour was getting to go down into the basement to check out the Truman bowling alley. This place was great.

This place had everything. It had every size of bowling show you could want. Up to like 16. Wendy made a sound when she saw it that I've never heard her make. She was delighted by this whole scene. We almost didn't get to go in here because it was locked and I was so disappointed. I wanted more than anything to see the bowling alley, but we passed by someone going in with a grocery bag full of snacks and stuff and we were like,

well, what are you doing in the basement with a bag of snacks other than to go into the Truman Bowling alley. So he's kind of slow-oct our way toward the elevator, noticed that they were going in and then like tried to tailgate a little bit into the, hey, can we just peek in there real fast? See what's up? And this person allowed it.

She was cool about it. She had to like run back to her office to get something else. And she was like, yeah, go sick, but like, you know, be quick because I got a, I'll be back with, with guests. And I guess if you're a staffer there, you can reserve the bowling alley for stuff if you want to. What a treat. What a perk. The, the best thing of all was Adam picked up a ball and I guess David like knew how to how to turn the the system on so that the alley was activated. Your first ball was a gutter ball, which now I picked up one pin. It was bad. And then your second role, you you you picked up the spare. It was amazing.

Nine pin spare. Yeah. The first ball was too light. That was the problem. Like I felt really in a hurry. Like there were like five different balls there. And I and I just grabbed one and I was like, oh, God, this is. No warmups or anything. Super light ball.

Yeah. Whisted into just one in the corner. But then I picked up a heavy ball. My kind of heavy ball took the rest of them down. It felt great. You picked up the one that was labeled Janet Reno's bowling ball. Couldn't celebrate it though, because it felt like it was a real secret thing.

You know, I was like, I was quietly excited for what I'd done. I was really jazzed about doing that and I could not let the group leave without doing it. I was like, is anyone going to bowl here? Come on. I'm so glad you did it. My highlight was buying some white castle hamburger sandwiches out of a vending machine right outside the bowling alley and I thought it was very funny that they sold white castle in the white house. Everyone had different comedy priorities on this tour.

We got to post some pictures and maybe some video into the into the socials I think that be fun to put out there. I think that'd be fun to put out there. Yeah, I think check our YouTube for a video of Adam Bowling at the White House and check our insta for some highlights of our tour. Yeah. And our thanks to David for a great invitation and for trusting us to not be fuck ups in his place of work. Like a lot of trust extended by him. I wasn't just one-way trust, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He had to believe we weren't gonna embarrass him too bad, and we didn't. So.

That's a job where embarrassment could be a big deal. Embarrassment is a security risk to folks in that line of work. I feel very lucky that he bet on us. Yeah. You know, he's gonna win that bet most of the time. Mm-hmm. Ben Risky behavior on today's episode of Star Trek Voyager. You wanna get into what that's all about? Yeah, it's season six episode 24, Life Line. Reaver course.

Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo, dudes. I'm not turning around. Argh! Did you know that this episode is one of only two episodes in Star Trek history written by a cast member? No kidding. Robert Picardo, writing credit. Very rare.

Feels like Star Trek Director's Club is a big old table. It is. Filled with lots of folks, check out the little table on Star Trek Riders Club. It's just him and Walter Canig. It's it. I was struck by something and I don't know if I've thought of this before and set it out loud and then forgotten that I thought of it, or if this is the first time it's ever occurred to me. But this episode opens with a regional barkley

docking at Jupiter station. And it struck me that one of the like foundational jokes of our show, when we call the USS Enterprise, the entrepreneur, comes from my wife and I walking past the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, and her saying it looks like the entrepreneur. And Barclays, famously, a guy who everyone gets his name wrong and calls him broccoli. So we could call it the broccoli center just as easily as we call it the entrepreneur.

It goes both ways. I was just tripping off that at the beginning of this episode. It was like almost all I could think about. All I could think about was how everyone who works on Jupiter station is dead as a result of what the synthetics do in season one, a Star Trek Picard. Oh, do they kill everybody at Jupiter Station too? I think everyone in any orbital platform dies, right? Wow.

In the cell system? I know that they fuck up Mars. I didn't know they fucked up Jupiter too. I mean, Jupiter isn't that far away from Mars, right? I mean, they're neighbors. It's far as hell, is it? Yeah, it's way further than Mars is from Earth. Oh, okay.

Well, that doesn't work then. These guys are probably fine. Yeah, I'm sure they're fine. Anyways, yeah, Barclays here to meet Dr. Zimmerman, AKA Dr. Z, AKA the dude who invented the EMH and does not give any fucks about the Starship Voyager. He thinks it's called the USS Pioneer. How does Red Barkley still have a job at this point?

I mean, he famously was like the inventor of the Midas-erae technology to shoot communication beams at the Voyager. But like, does that forgive all the fucked up stuff he's done over the course of a, like what's the opposite of decoration if you're talking about a decorated career? Oh, a deckerous career? Yeah, he's got a very indeckerous career. Yeah.

A sheep of reports about all the bad things he's done. It was noted that the Academy of Modern Ones. But I think Admiral Paris probably like anointed him, special guy, because he got Admiral Paris on the radio with somebody standing next to his son. I think the linens do a lot of the work in this scene in conveying to us that Dr. Zimmerman is old and sick. Yeah. He's really layering him up.

We didn't see Dr. Zimmerman that long ago, right? Like he came to deep space nine to scan the doctor there. He seemed fine back then. Yeah. I mean, they rejected the Bashir based EMH because they were worried it would drink up the entire urine supply on all the ships that it was installed on, right? You mean this program is going to include all his personal likes and dislikes?

That is why we bother to choose a human template in the first place. Yeah, I mean, like the trivia about the Mark ones is that they all got sent to do like menial tasks. The Bashir model asked for sewage duty. Let me up in those pipes. I can assure you that the final product will be zesty. So, Dr. Z is dying and Barclay mentions that they're on the verge of establishing an ongoing comms link with the Voyager But Parkly is here to to look in on

Dr. Z who is who is very unwell after the theme. I really like how elegant and efficient This sequence is like as a reminder for what this technology does the camera just sort of pushes past the My Disarray into deep space and then finally ending on Voyager. That's how it works. Yeah. Well, Com's montage. Yeah.

We catch up with the thing that is being communicated in the ASLAB where 7 is receiving the signal and it looks pretty beat up, like very static-y when she's looking at this stuff on screen. It's so scrambled you can hardly jack it to this. Yeah, the admiral that's on camera like you can't even really see what he's working with, you know. Yeah, it's like I assume he's hung. I assume he's swinging a hammer but but you know, we can't tell. It's too scrambled.

We cut over to the McLaughlin group with the whole senior staff watching. If you want. Janeway tells the gang that they're gonna start getting monthly messages from this guy. Yeah. That's at least what I'm assuming, like this one guy is gonna be who they're communicating with. Yeah. And they've got 17 hours to reply. She's like, so what this meeting is about is,

we need to decide as a team whether we pay for the premium cable package. To clear up the scrambling at them, to clear up all the, so they can see all the good stuff. That's important. Yeah. They're not given any advice on how to get the hell home faster or anything. Reginald Barkley did not give up on them. Yeah. It's too bad that it was Reginald Barkley that did not give up on them. Could have been anyone else. Yeah. There's the real kind of maternalistic conclusion to the meeting that I'm sure you remember what it was like being a little kid and a parent would be like, now be sure to thank

Barclay. That's Janeway's message to the group. Like look, you're going to get a chance to send messages home as long as you get them done in the next 17 hours, but you gotta thank Barclay. You gotta thank Barclay. It's like when you have a birthday party when you're like five and your parents make you sit there

and write thank you notes for all the action figures, you got her, whatever. You're like, this sucks. This feels like homework. And then when I get the like sc scrolled impersonal, thank you notes from all my classmates when they have a birthday party, I don't give a shit about them. It's not like I treasure these fucking notes.

Why do we do this? I never went to school or had friends like that. Pfft. Thank you notes. Right now, like for adults, I think are great. You're an excellent thank you note sender. You and your wife. I think you're great. You're you're an excellent. Thank you note sender You you in your wife I send and receive them all the time, but as a kid never did. Maybe that's why I like them so much now. Oh

Interesting I Mean I like them now too, but they were a drag when I was a child and Speaking of notes that are drags, Neelix comes down to Six Bay with a letter for the EMH, and it is from Lieutenant Berkeley, and it bears the bad news of Dr. Simmerman's illness. I really like Robert Picardos take here. The guy just going about his business and then getting bad news.

Yeah. I like that challenge for any actor and he nails it here. How old did you know him? I never met the man. Yeah, it's very interesting that all of the big acting challenges in this seem Intentional like I want to really stretch. I want to write an episode that really gives me a lot of Sandbox to play. And an episode that makes me kiss just everyone, just so many people. An episode that is resplendent with babes. A cute, subcellular degradation is the diagnosis. Doesn't sound good. Yeah, he's doing some research about this and talks to Sevin about the deal here and it's something

that he thinks that board regeneration techniques might be able to help fix. Yeah. Just whap, whap. Some assimilation nodules. You know that guy's neck? He'll be great in no time. Yeah. Seven notices on the screen that the EMH and Dr. Zimmerman

do bear a little bit of resemblance. And he says, well, I partly wrote this episode to make out with myself. You could say it's my lifelong ambition. Can't believe I kissed you. Seven's got to be careful looking at the doctor's tabs. You know, she might not always find something as innocent as Dr. Zimmerman's medical record, right?

Yeah. I know you don't want to do it. Perfect black. Make it yourself. And I know you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. I like the proximity of this episode to the previous one because he goes up to the captain's office and is like,

Hey, you remember the Videans? And I was like, I remember the Videans. We just saw them last episode. I feel like we have gotten many, many episodes of Voyager where the doctor is like, I have a great big favor to ask. And it helps no one on the ship but me. If you could just find it in your heart to not send letters home and instead send me to Jupiter Station through the data stream, that would be great. There's coffee in that data stream. If we send you, there won't be room for anything else. If I, I know that I would not have been

the popular guy in the writing room on this show. But I think they would have kept you around. I think in some ways, you would be very popular. I think they would have kept me around because I think when they were breaking this scene, I might have raised my finger and said, so if we're going to equate it to the phage, maybe make it like a, this could become something like the phage and

we can nip it in the bud now. Oh, yeah. Like maybe Dr. Zimmerman is patient zero. Is that what you're saying? Give some stakes to the thing, you know? Like I like that episode. Yeah, it's clear. No one gives a shit about Zimmerman. Like what we need is stakes to the thing, you know, like I like that the episode has clear no one gives a shit about Zimmerman, like what we need is to up the risk for sure. Yeah, like this is a pretty long scene, and it's a scene that is largely about the way the EMH can be persistent with arguing his case to the point where he wears Janeway down and gets her to agree to sending him away for a month.

Like, they're going to be without ship's doctor for a month so that he can do this project because it involves sending his program to the a-quad. The conflict here that goes... Remarked about here, but at no other point, is like, it is a sacrifice. If they send the doctor, they send nothing else. And the idea that the reply would come, and there's nothing in it,

but this thing that goes into the pepper mill that Barclays got, like, I want that scene of disappointment, where they're like, hey, hey, here comes the reply. This is the stuff from Voyager that we were expecting. What is it? Tom Mervins puts on a sweater vest and puts his shoes on for the first time in months.

For the clothes you love to live in. And everybody's like, is that sweater vest made from golden retriever skin? Oh my God, what the fuck? You know, people haven't seen Old Man Mervins in five and a half seasons. And you just come it out now? Yeah. As cliche as a cave's episode might be, this is a doc has a big ask episode.

Yeah. I love the Janeway no Zimmerman too, right? Like, that's a part of it. Yeah, she met him at a conference. She thought he was an asshole. Enjoy hanging out with that prick. I hate his guts. And the image is like, hey, I think of him as a father figure and he's like, yeee.

Yeah. He'll go down in a long line of father figures that are not great. Yeah. We get a fun scene after this in the Six Bay where Seven is lightning the doctor's load for transfer and that means removing everything that isn't essential to who he is. So things like singing, more singing, opera singing, all the kinds of singing have a K-weight to him. Yeah. She removes his fuckstick. He's not going to get laid on this trip. Yeah. I try to leave a few of my enhancements intact.

I thought the bit of cutting his singing off, like, you know, with a hard edit midnote was great because I like was in the process of picking up my remote to see if I did something to the TV to turn off the sound. But this happened like it really worked. It's not just that the doctor would like to to contain all of the skills, qualities and abilities that his character possesses. It's that like, he really does want to impress this guy. And these are qualities that he believes would be impressive to Dr. Zimmerman. And he's expecting kind of proud Papa energy.

He has far exceeded what anyone thought his program was capable of. And the rather narcissistic take he has is like, they're going to study me. They're going to be amazed at what I've accomplished. And Dr. Zimmerman is going to be no exception to that. Except he is. He really is. Yeah. Because over on Jupiter station, we meet Haley, who is preparing Doc Zimmerman's lunch. And I think I begin to understand why Doc Zimmerman is so cranky all the time.

Every day for lunch, he appears to be fed a salad plate of mixed greens. Undressed plate of mixed greens to be precise. There's nothing on them. Yeah. As if things weren't bad enough. Now I'm dying of starvation. Maybe that's good for you, but it's not good.

If you've been diagnosed with a terminal illness, I don't know, man, maybe I'm having two hot dogs for lunch. How about that? We're pork chops, right? You know? Sure. Why not? Who cares?

I'll be dead anyway. Reg Barkley brings in this gadget that has the Docs program on it and fires it up in Dr. Zimmerman's room after his meltdown over being served dry salad instead of the pork chop, he had ordered. Do you think it's important that the doctor is contained in something larger than an isolinear chip? I thought a lot about this. Like, why this vessel? Yeah.

Is it too much of a diminishment to like have them walk in with a little isolinear chip where the doctor lives. I would have loved to get a reprise of the role of that prop that they put Moriarty in at the end of Moriarty's second episode. This enhancement module contains enough active memory to provide them with experiences for a lifetime. They will live their lives.

I never know any difference. Yeah, I understand he maybe needs something bigger, but I thought this was a strange choice. Yeah, I mean, I feel like Barclay could walk into Dastram and grab himself a Moriarty cube. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, he fires this thing up. As it is, Barclay like holds the thing over Zimmerman's

salad and starts grinding the doctor out onto it. And he says, tell me when? Finally, the doctor from Voyager appears. Please state the nature of the medical emergency. Yeah. And meeting daddy does not go well, Voyager. And EMH Mark I, I'm not in the mood for nostalgia, Reginald. Zimmerman is horrified. Not horrified, just like annoyed that Reg Barkley has walked in with a Mark one EMH to bother him with.

And he's like, what the fuck do I want with a Mark one? These things suck. They're totally obsolete. It's pretty much the shittiest mark you can have. Yeah. The later marks have not cured him of this opinion either. No. I mean, they haven't cured him of this bad mark opinion or of his debilitating disease. Precisely. And he's also seen like flesh and blood doctors on top of the various marks he's seen. Yeah. I mean, initially he like can't even wrap his mind around the idea that this mark one wants to attempt to treat him. He's like, what are you talking about?

You're on vacation. Go somewhere else. I recommend a tour of Jupiter's third moon. I hear the lava flows are lovely this time of year. Zimmerman's got that give up energy that is just so tedious for everyone around him. Like, he doesn't want to be scanned, he doesn't want to be helped, he doesn't want to take those fucking intake questions that everyone needs to answer

when they see a new doctor or whatever. Yeah, and he really lights the M.H. up. He's like, your program was reconfigured to work on waste transfer parches. And the M.H. is like, you mean like, P.P.? And he's like, no. You're a doctor, use the clinical term.

God, Mark Wons, there's such fucking babies. All Zimmerman needs to do is accept being scanned and he won't even do that. Like, this is so annoying to him, to the point where he transfers the Voyager doctor out of the lab and into like the home part of the station where people live. And Doc holiday is leaving.

He can't deal with like being sabotaged by this guy. He can't deal with the idea that there's a hollow fly buzzing around. But it sucks because he can't go home right away. He's stuck there for another couple weeks. This is the worst. I think it's very interesting that this has been a couple of weeks of him, you know, running against this brick wall too.

And Haley is like, hey, you're actually making progress because the big complaint in this scene is that he realized that his tricorder had been hacked to give the readings of a Vulcan marsupial and Haley's, like, you know, when he starts playing pranks, that's how you know you're in. He's like the Clooney of Starfleet. No bits on doctors.

Yeah. Right? No, no bits on AI doctors. So we learned a little bit about Roy the fly who we saw climbing all over Zimmerman's salad in the earlier scene and Roy the fly is part of a like a surveillance research project Not clear whether it's a hologram or a little robot that looks just like a fly though

He's dead anyway. Finally. I've accomplished something. They just smosh him with that book. Yeah, RSVP Roy. What's Barclay gonna do about this situation? He blows in a face time to... His only friend? Hmm.

I mean, she kind of blurs the line between friend and therapist, right? Sure. Anyway, he needs to get Doc Zimmerman into counseling and Deanna Troyes on the enterprise, far away. Is it possible? Do you think you could just hop on a shuttle and leave the flagship, the coolest chip in the fleet and come deal with this bullshit for me?

It's not as dangerous as leaving the flagship to go to a conference. No. You know, I thought it was very interesting that we're name checking the entrepreneur and name checking Picard and the idea that Picard is out there commanding a ship and like things need to be run by him so that she can get time to come deal with this. This is like during Star Trek Insurrection or whatever, like no one really remembers or cares what this mission is. She's like, once I'm done with this mission and my boobs get a lot firmer, I can come over there.

I need the best, Deanna. That is like the only thing I remember. That's it. That's the only memorable thing. What does that say about me? It doesn't say anything about you because everyone remembers that same thing and nothing else.

I guess I remember data like walking across the bottom of that lake. Yeah. Yeah, there's that. Really the funniest one, right? Yeah, it's the best. Can't wait to tour it one day. Right. one, right? Yeah, it's the best. Can't wait to tour it one day.

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Makuies? Because when we lost you, you were sort of entangled with that whole situation. Yeah. That was interesting that they burned the time code in on this admiral's transmission. Yeah. Yeah, it makes Scribner and Adelaide easier.

The Makley's thing is the sticking point with Janeway. And Jacote is like, let's just worry about that in the morning. I mean, in a few years when we see this guy again. Anyway, interested in a maybe a nice relaxing bath? I love a bath. It's my favorite way of relaxing. He really wants to kick this can and all cans down the road, I think.

I think that he's thought about it more than she has though in an interesting way. He has to have, I mean, how could he not? It's the most important thing in his career, right? Like what happens when he returns? Yeah. He's gonna end up in one of those psoriasis prisons that Paris got sent to.

Yeah, I mean, that looked pretty nice. Work outside in the fresh air, you know? Yeah. Itchy though. Yeah. Maybe they could give him like a cream or an unguent. Sounds great. Back on Jupiter station.

They have an inexhaustible amount of mixed greens in the replicator. Yeah. Oh, no, no. Plate after plate. Dr. Zimmerman has brought in like a dobo girl to give him a massage. You know what? Speaking of Star Trek insurrection, this lady's tar lack, which was like a main alien from Star Trek insurrection. Whoa. no kidding.

I haven't gotten a lot of massages, like professional massages, like from therapists or whatever. I don't recall many if any of them ever being gloved. I wonder if that's a thing. Yeah. Because this lady is rubbing them down with gloves on. And you gotta imagine there's a lot of squeaky sounds. Well, I think that, you know, as society becomes more enlightened,

more and more people subscribe to the idea that no glove, no love. This person is not a tar-like lady. This person is docolody, and Zimmerman gets very upset when he discovers that that's the reason that she's been scanning him. Suddenly the EMH has this skill of impersonating whoever he wants.

I wish he had been doing this the whole time. It kind of just makes him Odo though, you know. It does, yeah. Mr. Bulkis. Yeah. Odo I bet gives a great massage. Oh yeah, killer. Zimmerman is extremely pissed off at the subterfuge here because the image was secretly scanning him. If you'd let me examine you, I'll report you to the medical ethics board. Dr. Save it for your hearing. scanning him. Great special effect where Trichorter is passed from one Robert Piccardo to another. There's a lot of little flourishes like that in the set. Yeah. And also like I think the moment where Zimmerman says like you weren't programmed to care this much is really powerful. It's like this before we learn the kind of deeper thing that is making Zimmerman so upset about

the doctor's visit. And it still feels super powerful to like I know what you are and what you're capable of is like the position he's taking with Doc Holliday. And when Doc Holliday does stuff that's outside that, it is like troubling and not comforting and not welcome to him. Well, he's constructed a life of this weird version of solitude where like he is by himself, but he's got Haley and the fly guy and the lizard or whatever. But like, this is a variable in his life that is unwelcome. And I think he was just planning on dying with some sort of of this arranged solitude that he's got.

And now he's got basically a child on a storestep. And that child likeness of Doc holiday is like such an interesting presentation because why isn't Zimmerman giving me the respect that Voyager does is such a little kid argument to make like making simple comparisons like that. Like why isn't one person just like this other person? That's Pete Kid right there. Yeah. And it's a reminder that that really is his grasp of complex interpersonal relationships. He just doesn't get it.

It is at this moment that counselor Troy, like, cool-aid man's into the room. Yeah. And starts working with these two. And it is slow going at first, but she gets them to put on each other's shoes and walk around the room a little bit. And I love the line. I feel safer in the hands of a Klingon field medic. Great, great stuff. Yeah, they're very quippy. I love the, that he's also afraid of the specific therapy that Doc Howe Day has figured

out. It's not fit for a lab rat. Because it involves board technology. And I can imagine anybody in sector 001 would be rightfully terrified of letting any Borg thing get anywhere near them. Yeah, I wish there was more about that in this fear, but it really is about this mark oneness that the dog presents. And it's interesting to see how easily and early

Deanna Troy becomes frustrated with these two patients because you got to believe she's worked with the worst of the worst. Yeah. I mean, she's worked with Barclay. That was my point, man. There's the challenge of acting against yourself on green screen. I think that low key Marina services job in these scenes is really hard and she does a

great job with it because one of those Robert Picardos is there in the room with her and the other is not. And she is acting off both of them, like in compositions that have all three of them on camera at once. Yeah, this might be the best that it's ever been done in Star Trek up to now. It seems extremely challenging and she really pulls it off in particular. Afterward, Deanna Troy is not confident in her abilities. In this case, and Haley brings Troy a bowl of character

development to make her feel better. Yeah. Troy knows Haley's a hollow. Yeah. She's a bit like Rachel and Blade Runner. She's been like Rachel and blade runner. She's a replicant, isn't she? I'm impressed. I thought it was very nice touch that the chocolate ice cream was served in a terracotta

pot, just to make Troy feel at home. She learns a little bit more about Lewis Zimmerman from Haley and his history with developing emergency medical holograms. One reason for Andy Dick getting cast as the Mark II is that the Mark I was not a successful program and became a talisman of shame for Lewis Zimmerman, a thing that he is embarrassed to be associated with. And when they got reprogrammed, he didn't want his face to be on the subsequent versions. It's sort of like wanting to do a successful podcast and like starting out with the Star Trek podcast for practice, but that's the one that gets popular.

That's the one you're going to be attached to forever. Right. Very humiliating. Yeah. And you know, forevermore, you see your failure in Star Trek. Yeah. Not your success. Amazing hubris and overconfidence here. Like he was so sure that the Mark I would be amazing. He's like, I gotta put my face on it and everything else. Yeah. Ah, and now that the doctor from Voyager has shown up, it's just a reminder of his horrible failure. All of these hundreds of hollows are supposed to be scrubbing shit. It'd be like putting your name on buildings all over the place.

It's like, I are supposed to be scrubbing shit. It'd be like putting your name on buildings all over the place and then having that taken down as your empire crumbles around you, you know? I know. That night, Doc Zimmerman does the, the grim task of recording his will. Gotta believe that this is like one of many nights he's spent doing this. Yeah. Kind of feels like he should just say I'm leaving everything to Barkley

because he's like doing individual items and those individual things are going to Barkley. The question of Haley was what really stuck out to me because he's like leaving projects to Barkley and I was like, please do not leave Haley to Barkley. Oh my God. That would be a disaster. But his request for Haley is that her program remains running as an assistant in the lab.

And man, I thought for sure she'd get emancipated or something. It's so dark. And it has nothing to do with what she wants or what would be good for her. It's like leave her running as long as this lab is in operation. I think it's the one part of this episode that is just an enormous clang is that you've got a storyline that features a character who is all about rising to the level of their human co-workers. Like the doctor has been writing for this for his entire time on Voyager, like wanting to be seen as an equal. And for him to exist in the very same episode as a Haley

character that is made to be okay to just work in a lab for other people forever and ever. It seems like hell. Yeah. Like the black mirror story in this episode is right here in a Taley. She's been as real to me as anyone I've ever known. As I'm hating him for saying this, he starts experiencing pain from his illness.

Yeah, don't manipulate me like that, Dr. Zimmerman. I was like, did my mind do that? Yeah. These are guilt pains, right? Yeah. Stabbing conscious pains? Stabbing conscience pains? Yeah. I'm Captain Captain Brinjen where the U.S. is for the U.S.

The next morning, Doc Holidays, talking to Councillor Troy in a facsimile of his office on Voyager, where he's been staying because Berkeley led him. And he's not allowed to stay in Berkeley's quarters, though. No. You know, he's super frustrated. Troy is trying to get him to kind of recommit to the project of attempting to heal Dr. Zimmerman when his major starts glitching.

They blow in a call to Berkeley to see if you can tell him what's going on. Berkeley transfers his program and it turns out Doc Hullo-J has some health problems of his own. Your primary matrix is degrading and there's nothing I can do. This may be think a lot about that first session with Troy and Dr. Zimmerman and the doctor where she's trying to like create a common ground between them. Yeah. I mean, now that the doctor from Voyager has been like given a prognosis like this, it

would seem as though that common ground has been found, right? They're both going to die. That is what it's starting to look like. And it actually takes Haley to convince Dr. Z to fix the EMH. This sort of presents itself as seeming like something that's going wrong with the EMH because of the stuff that was stripped out of his program to make him small enough to transfer across the thousands

of light years. It's a real, I've got nipples, could you milk me? Kind of argument here that Haley's got. Can Doc Zimmerman be as handy with a holographic stabilizer as a hollow woman's heart? Mm-hmm. The idea of a holographic milk is maybe the most troubling thing anyone has come up with on Star Trek, but Haley comes up with it. Yeah.

Later, Doc Holliday is activated so that Dr. Zimmerman can repair him, but he's quickly deactivated because he's giving too much lip during. So there's like a passage of time here where that night, Doc Holliday, is reactivated from more work. And it's clear at this point that Zimmerman's been working for 17 hours straight, eating nothing but tiny salad plates of spring mix. Yeah, he don't look well.

The dry greens have been devastated by this entire project. And he's really suffering. He seems very sick, very, very not well. And the EMH is starting to get worried about his ability to fix him. Really feels like the shoe's on the other foot. There is a really, really unusual shot here. I wanted to see if you recognized, like most often,

when I was working in independent film and video, like the rack focus was always in, into a subject always. But there's a rack focus out here that felt so different when Zimmerman walks toward the camera and toward the little like computer station he's at. Like we're both zooming and focusing out with him. And what felt like a really unusual move for Star Trek? Yeah, it's a bit like side-bark approaching the camera in his hostage video. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty neat.

We mentioned it before, like the two of them on camera at the same time as an effects shot. It's really cool. And like there are a couple of times where it's racking focus back and forth between the two of them. And that isn't especially cool bit of movie magic because. Yeah, they're selling the duplication.

Yeah, like I don't know if that's like an effect that they're dropping onto one of them and then the other to do that, but... You know, I wonder if maybe I've confused it as an in-camera effect versus something they're doing after the fact. Like, I wonder if that's what's happening here. It's really neat. Like, this is much higher level than they've ever done it before. And like, they've done a really good job with, like, they've done this a bunch on Star Trek,

but this is like, really some next level stuff. The doctor takes great umbridge with not that he's been cured, but with all the improvements that Zimmerman has added to his programming. Like, yeah, why can't Zimmerman just leave him as is? Well, there's an answer to that question. Because he's effective. It's a monologue from Zimmerman. He's absolutely humiliated by the idea of 675 copies of him

scrubbing sewers out there. Yeah. And he sees the doctor from Voyager is an opportunity to like remove him from that population, to make him better, to maybe fix that first broken design. And the EMH is like, that's such an ugly stereotype you're carrying, you know, like all labor is skilled labor, doctor's environment. Just because somebody works in waste management or whatever, doesn't mean that they're inherently less valuable than you

just because you have like a slightly more intellectual synacure. This is just class examiner when presented with information that runs counter to his beliefs, he just collapses. Fighting to a lost star. And if you start to win win I go on my phone. Come on. Yeah. I guess this signals the moment where Doc holiday needs to begin the experiment or Zimmerman's going to die.

I mean see how it goes isn't, isn't a great amount of confidence, but I don't know if you're in Zimmerman situation. You're going to die anyway. Yeah, it's like the treatments aren't working, so we're getting into a clinical trial kind of energy. Yeah. So clean the illness out of me like you're scrubbing a plasma condom. So we cut to Barclay, Troy, and Haley just like hanging out. And it seems pretty clear that they've

been hanging out for the entire previous scene and then several hours after it. Because when they're talking, they're talking like the EMH just went in to get like his matrix fixed by Zach, Dr. Zimmerman. But then the EMH marches out and he's like, I did the Borg's thing. And I think it's gonna work. Anything to end the feeder grower relationship that Haley has with Troy, just bowl after bowl of character development. I hardly deserve it, but thanks.

Yeah, Haley's a real kingster. She's giving so much chocolate to Troy and so much leafy greens to Dr. Zimmerman. It's like, what is this about for you, Haley? I mean, what's it about for Dr. Zimmerman for having programmed her that way? Hey, full recovery, Ben. Yeah. It's looking good.

Yeah. And then we find out that this matrix degradation situation was in fact a computer virus that Berkeley put in him. It was an algorithm designed to disrupt him on Troy's orders. This was a kind of outside the box therapy technique. Amazing. She manipulated them. I don't think a therapist should get into the business of like,

deceiving their clients. Yeah. It seems bad. Well, traditional therapy wasn't getting us anywhere. I mean, if you have any bad feelings about this, I think the episode is very intentional with the... All right, let's get back to the nostalgia part. Like, let's make sure Doc Zimmerman

and Doc Holiday, you know, become the father and son that that Doc Holiday was expecting. Yeah. I mean, Doc Zimmerman's looking better, but not good enough to be working all the time. Bed rest is the doctor's order here. Yeah. And they pose for a nice picture together. Yeah. Just the two of them. I think one detail about this photograph that I thought was really interesting was that they have different smiles. Like, I don't know how often you think about your own smile, but Robert Bracardo had to here. Like, I can't smile how I usually would. I got to choose a different smile for

two characters. Yeah. And that's what you get here. And also, Doc Holiday is like three inches taller than Dr. Z. Like, is that because Dr. Z is wasting away or because Dr. Z kind of like give himself some run to Santa's shoes when he programmed the EMH Mark I?

I don't know. I mean, if you were going to make a copy of yourself in hollow form, it feels like one of the improvements would be to maybe make them a little taller. To Santa's those shoes. Weird choice. Yeah.

You like the episode, Ben? You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bollies, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too. I really like the episode.

I, uh, I'd definitely like, like one or two moments, or I was like, you sure about that? You sure about that this episode? The Haley stuff, right? The Haley stuff didn't slap for me, but, um, the core of it, the like, I want to go meet Dadda, and I want Dadda to be proud of it, the like I want to go meet dadda and I want dadda to be proud of me and flying into the teeth of a bitter man that whose like real lived experience is very different from what the image could ever have imagined is a very interesting story.

And like, you know, we've met Zimmerman once before. He was an erasible asshole then, and is an erasible asshole now. But I feel like when we saw him on D.S.P.9, he was kind of like, I'm a brilliant man that is working on the follow-up to my magnum opus and had the energy of someone who's accomplishments were already

so great that he was just so full of himself. And it was an interesting counterpoint to Julian Bashir who was also totally full of himself. And I think made for an interesting episode in that context, and to catch up with the same character years later humbled and living in a sort of self-imposed ignominy and kind of looking back on his career with as much regret as he does pride is a really interesting thing for Star Trek to do with a character like that. And it's the thing that I don't think that a lot of media franchises can do, you know, like to have a series and a universe that spans so many years and to catch up with people

and to have what their legacy means change at different times is like a very, a very cool thing that Star Trek has the power to do. So I really appreciated it. Do you think this episode and maybe that message loses something? Some of the nuance anyway by making this Zimmerman character so loud and bullish and shitty. Like the description you have of Zimmerman with all those complexities is apparent and there, but like his ass holeery throughout, I think maybe sells a lot of those other qualities short. Like those are the subheads to like the main idea, which is like shitty person who shitty to be around. And I wonder like Star Trek does this a lot with the soon people,

the soon relatives. In a way that like like they almost can't be sincere about these characters troubles, we've got to ham them up somehow. We've got to slather some sort of other different character trait on top because maybe to be that sincere would, I don't know, wouldn't read or wouldn't work for people. I kind of wish that they had tried that this time around because what I wanna be is sad for a character

like Zimmerman and I just can't get there. I differently got there in the scene where he expressed his displeasure with the Mark ones being waste extraction bots or whatever like for all my like class consciousness and not wanting to hang with his Feeling of of shittiness surrounding them having like blue collar jobs or whatever I did feel his pain in that moment. I mean who among us hasn't created an Army of unworthy hollow people sure that were then sentenced to a life of Waste cleanup.

Yeah. You know, that goes. We all do. A different kind of sentence could be found in the priority one message inbox, Ben. Is that true? In fact, I'm gonna go see what we've got in there right now. Priority one message from Starfleet

coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement. right now. At my first priority on message is of a promotional nature and it goes like this. Do you love watching data search for what it means to be human? Do you love MacGuffins that send the Enterprise back in time? Do you love fortune cookies? If you answered yes to any of these, then you'd love SUM, a whimsical sci-fi novella by Melinda A. Smith, and that's a sum spelled S-U-M. Some tells the story of Matheson, an android who travels through time searching for his

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Yeah, I wanna read some. I love the character named Matheson. Yeah. For a book called Some. Uh huh. That's great. It's good stuff. Ben, our second priority when message is of a personal nature.

It's from Adam 2.0. It's 2.0. 1.0. The message goes like this. Hey Adam, 1.0. Remember when goes like this. Hey Adam, 1.0. Remember when you had really bad jet lag and gave your mug of London's best house wine to a drunk Shimoda after the show? Turns out she's an evil scientist and now I'm eternally trapped in her personal holodeck.

That's okay, life isn't so bad, she's got me on a vegan diet and I've learned babble on five isn't actually the worst thing in the world. Hmm. I already won this. Weird. Huh. I do remember giving my stage wine to someone. Yeah, and she's got you on a vegan diet now?

Weird. Wow. I kicked over stage wine at that show. Oh, yeah. I brought more stage wine to the meat and greed after. Don't remember any of it. Really was a jet lag time traveling for sure. Yeah, you were.

I'm surprised that you've become vegan, but I really respect it. Oh, yeah. And our final priority on message today is from Christina Chapman, and it is to Jude Aselin, and it goes like this. I love you. You know it's hard for me to say romantic, lovey things, so I'm kinda uncomfortable.

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And any Mariah Carey album. And again, I love you. You're the bee's knees, babe. Wow. I'm so glad you read that one and not me. Here's how much I love you. I saw that one coming and I changed the order of the priority one messages when you weren't looking so that you wouldn't have to read that. Whoa!

Thanks, man. That was really great. Sounds like Jude's got someone who loves them a whole bunch. And I just learned my co-host really cares about me a whole bunch in the process. If you'd like to get a priority one message, it is maximumfund.org slash jumbo-tron. Boy, it's a fun way to get a message out about your little sisters, new novella, or a person you love a whole lot,

or someone who gave you some stage wine. Hey, Ben. What's that, Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Incredible. Dr drunk Shimoda? Yeah, I'm gonna give it to Zimmerman not for anything he does in the episode per se but for his like employee photo In the chart that kept as a great moment. It's it's on screen and a couple of different scenes in this episode and Every day I thought I laughed out loud. I thought it was so funny. And I think that, like, Picardo was a real one for this. Like, hey, these are both my characters.

I'm gonna have some fun with them. I'm gonna do some big shit with my, with my two characters in the Star Trek universe, banging them up against each other for the first time ever. And that's staff photo. Like the like you are new at your job and they're like, yeah, we got to take a picture for your employee ID. And this is the face he makes is fucking incredible. So often you just get one take. That's what you get. That's what he got. He got to believe he's okay with it too. How about you? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? That was a very convincing reason.

I mean, my pick was Zimmerman too, but for a different reason. But God, that detail at least sticks with me. It says a lot about a character in very little time. And I think that's what I like about it the most. It's just like a shot. Yeah. But like, it really conveys a lot of information about what's important to Zimmerman.

And that photograph was not. It's not, not great. All right, Adam. I'm going to go find out a little bit about the next episode of Star Trek Voyager. It's season six, episode 25, The Haunting of Deck 12, which is kind of perfect for this spooky holiday, right? I know, this episode comes out the day before Halloween. Just gonna miss it with the haunted episode. What are we doing?

We should have started the greatest generation like half a week earlier back in the day so that we would have been lined up perfectly. We blew it! We totally fucked up. Well, the episode description is Nielix recounts the harrowing tale of Voyager's newest uninvited guest. Is Neelix the best storyteller on Voyager for this? I mean, ChicoTe would make it like a

spiritual experience, right? That's what she says. This better not be fucking bedtime with Naomi Wildman. I don't want that. Get that out of here. That's what this is. I don't think we're going to have any listeners next week because people are going to be so goddamn sick of all this spooky season stuff by the time next week's episode comes out, right? Oh, I bet they'll stick around. People love Halloween. Wow. So this episode comes out on the 30th of October. The one we're recording right now, yeah. Yeah. I will have turned 40 by the time this episode comes out. Adam, I'm joining you in the in the 40s. Finally. Welcome. I've been waiting for you for a long time. Oh boy. Hope you're excited for all of the board game, Adam. We are on the last square before that Mornhammered square. And I'm gonna go ahead and roll the dice,

see if we hit a thing or if we safely roll any of the other numbers and go past the thing. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. One out of six chance. Adam, I regret to inform you that I have rolled at one. I'll never end! I'll never end!

Drink! I'll see how you do it. Of course you have. We have landed on a more damn Next week. Great. I love it. I've just looking at our production calendar We are scheduled to record two grids, Gens Back-to-back on the day that we are scheduled to record this. Maybe we can move things around a little bit. How about new? Just our luck, right? Yeah, yeah.

Big episode next week. I should have known, man, you're always the one that goes through the metal detector and gets flagged at the airport. There is no way you're gonna roll anything besides a one. Just then... You're gonna get got got don't try to get through square one hundred you getting stopped yeah yeah man all right well that's that's what's going on next week sorry everybody been a while been a while we really appreciate all the folks that support what we do here there's's a lot of ways to support it. If you've got a little bit of extra money every month, 5 bucks or whatever, MaximumFund.org slash join is a great way to make sure that this thing keeps going

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