The Greatest Generation - A Pod that will Live in Infamy (DS9 S7E19)

Episode Date: December 21, 2020

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Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

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I'm Adam Prenica. I'm Ben Harrison. Just turned off the space heater in my studio. He got the heat on it 70 degrees out there, man. Harrison just turned off the space heater in my studio. He got the heat on at 70 degrees out there, man. This building is made out of cinder blocks, and they get all cold overnight, then it doesn't warm up

because I put insulation in the roof. That was like one of the big expensive things we did when we moved in as I insulated my studio. But what it means is it just stays cold as hell. You know what, that's the recipe for, uh, for wearing a little blanket over your legs. On the time when you're doing a show. I'm just like John Voight wheeling around in my office chair, playing FDR. I'm really excited for, uh, for when we go over the did you like portion of the episode

and you summon the will to stand up for your office chair. Hey historically I stand to make my point. The Michael Bay version of the Did You Like. Very inspirational. It's crazy that for all of the things that Michael Bayes Pearl Harbor, that people hated about that movie, that was like 10th on the list. Oh yeah, if that, I mean, come on.

Were you excited for that movie before it came out? I was so excited. I think I told you this, that when we saw the trailer for that. One of the great trailers, I thought. We're in the theater to see some other movie and the trailer plays for Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor and it finishes playing and my mom leans over to me and goes, now that's filmmaking.

I'll never forget that. That's like one of the funniest things she's ever done. I wish there were more opportunities for much like an author gets blurbs for their book on the back to entice you to buy their book. There should be more things with mom blurbs. Oh yeah, the mom blurb is such a specific thing. It really is. I mean, I feel like you kind of have to know the mom to know what that blurb means.

Like, you've met my mom several times. You know what she means when she says, now that's filmmaking. I mean, your mom is a great lady. And what I would take that to mean is that it's sincere. Yeah. And that is, in fact, great filmmaking. It was 10 out of 10 sincerity. The thing is, she wasn't wrong. Because that trailer is everything that could possibly be good about the film that followed. Unfortunately, that was it.

They skimmed the cream off the, like a thin thin layer of cream off the surface of that movie and put it in the trailer. And then all of the rest of the movie was like, what is this? Pearl Harbor was great for exactly three minutes. I think it also, I mean, I don't want to make this a Pearl Harbor podcast, but I think it also like felt really laser targeted at her because she was an Air Force brat and she spent part of her teenage years in Hawaii, like her dad was stationed there. I mean, we don't want to fight the rhymes of the Pearl Harbor podcast, a pod that will live in infamy. I mean, that shows already out there. And if it's not already out there, I just conjured it.

You just invented a whole new podcast. Yeah, I think I bet if you called up our buddy Chuck Bryant and we're like hey, do you want to do a minute by minute Pearl Harbor Podcast called a pod that will live in infamy? I bet he would take you up on that deal Hey Chuck, it's Adam Pranika Got a proposition for you. Okay. I want to do a podcast called a Pod that will live in infamy where we watch Michael Bay's You know, dude, I, uh, well, I got a lot on my plate, but I don't want to wreck what

you are trying to do, but I don't think I'm interested in being a part of it. Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh That would be a delight. That would be great. Friend of the podcast, Chuck Bryant, would hate that. Friend of the podcast and best-selling author. Do you know that there's stuff you should notebook as like a New York Times best-seller? Yeah. The only mark against Chuck Bryant is that we, for some reason, given him veto power on the crossover episodes

we do with friendly fire in him. That's true. That's a your movie podcast. We kind of got it. We almost had beef with checkbrient over the summer because of a misunderstanding about what friendly fire episode we were going to make with him. Yeah, I believe, and we've gotten this note before

about friendly fire by a Reddit commenter in particular who was like, I wish friendly fire by a Reddit commenter in particular who was like, I wish friendly fire only did good movies. I would say that that's most commenters. I didn't read the user tag of that person, but it could have been you slash Chuck Bryant. Yeah, I would say that it's likely that it was. I mean, it's annoying that we have to do bad movies for that show.

We don't always know that they're bad-giving in though. And sometimes we disagree. You, for example, loves Pearl Harbor. And John and I hated it. Look, I think the one thing that you know about me more than any other quality is that I'm a completionist. We're going to do all the war movies for friendly fire, including the bad ones.

We're gonna do all the Star Trek and Next Generation. Including the bad ones. We're gonna do it. Just as we have done all the Star Trek next generation including the bad ones and all of Deep Space Nine including the bad ones. We had a runner about not being completionists. Those vetoes, I really worried some people. One of the best parts of that show. Yeah. I feel like my knowledge of Voyager is a little bit better than my knowledge of Deep Space Nine. Are we bringing vetoes back? We could. I mean, I feel like my knowledge of Voyager is a little bit better than my knowledge of Deep Space 9. Are we bringing vetoes back? We could. I mean, I would have an unfair advantage because my sense, the sense that I get is that your knowledge of Voyager is fairly, fairly limited, right? It's not limited, it's non-existent. You never watched it at all?

I think I saw Year of Hell. That's who, Parker? That's a classic. And that might have been it. Wow. Right now I'm thinking about Bri Belky like putting her face in her hands, shaking with anger at me. Now remind me, Year of Hell is the episode about Voyager traveling back to 2020. Your of hell is the episode about Voyager traveling back to 2020. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then Janeway crashes the ship into what is she crashed into, Ben?

I was going to say, but that would put me on a list I don't want to be on. Yeah. The San Francisco Bay man. Right. Yeah. The San Francisco Bay, man. Right, right, that's an easy one. No one's gonna get hurt like that. Yeah, maybe crash into a humpback whale. But there's plenty of those now.

Yeah, they really fuck their way out of being endangered. Yeah. Good for them. Yeah, I think there's like tens of thousands of humpbacks now. Now the ocean is just foaming with whale sperm. Yeah. I think there's like tens of thousands of humpbacks now. Now the ocean is just foaming with whale sperm. Yeah. And sperm whales, you know, both. Honestly, it's too much. Yeah. Get a room, whales. Whales famously finding beds unnecessary to do their business, but in today's episode, beds and their associated fellows very much

a thing. Indeed. Do you want to get into season 7 episode 19 strange bedfellows? Do you realize how many? How many of them are these? No, of course you don't. 19 just feels like we're almost at the end. It blew me away that we were on episode 19.

When Yoon is psyched to watch Warfin' Ezri do it in the opening scene, that was the biggest take away from me. Warfin' Ezri brought to the wedding chamber that was hinted on in the final scene of the last episode. This brine dominion unification is a big, big deal, and Wei Yun is gloating about this. And also... Welcome to the tick.

Now, we invite you to bone in prison. I find into species mating rituals fascinating to watch. And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? Which is all the more confusing because in subsequent scenes, war for an Ezra, you're like hanging by their legs. Yeah. And stuff, like how does he expect them to do anything?

You can't physically come for yourself when you're upside down. Can't be done. Unless you're David Caradine. Yeah, David Caradine, famous upside down comer. Yeah. He tried to hang himself right side up and come, and it went very badly for him. Yeah.

When you're an auto-erotic association, that's called the stranger. Yeah, I mean, hanging upside down makes me think that you could rightly be called the Batman. I'm not going gonna bury another Batman. Yeah. We get a scene where change later comes up to the bridge of the tick and she's super flaky. Maybe even flakier than she was in the last episode. And she kind of like gets herself together a little bit.

It's sort of what like she does for herself sort of what I do when somebody's taking a photo of me and I'm in a bathing suit, like kind of suck everything in, try and look presentable for the camera. She doesn't want the, the brain leader to know how sick she is. Yeah, so she sucks in her flakes. The brain leader, his name is Gore.

Their name is Gore. I don't know what gender they are, but their rank is thought. Thought Gore. Thought Gore. That hoe over there, Gore. I couldn't believe my ears. True enough. And we never hear words spoken by the brain. It's all static and crackles.

Yeah, they make fun of Demar for not having his universal translator. Like, I don't know, I don't know if you like didn't download the app update before they left or something, but he can't understand them initially, but then later he can, but we still can't. And I feel like Star Trek almost never does that to us. It never pulls this Star Wars thing of somebody is beeping and booping or speaking in alien language, and everyone is just like, yeah, I know what Chewbacca means when he says,

brrrr. I think the show has made quite an investment in making Demar a sympathetic character, and I think this is part of it. He's frustrated by being unable to understand what's going on around him and what people are saying and by putting the viewer in that same position, I think that's a part of this whole deal. I wondered what he was going through on this ship because I know that if you get really addicted to alcohol and then you like stop drinking it for a long stretch, you can have withdrawal symptoms.

And it kind of seems like he goes for a lot of this episode without being in binge mode. And I wondered if he was like suffering under those conditions in a way that was just left implied. Yeah, he's really going through some things, clearly. And that's another aspect to him that that makes him sympathetic. He's pissed about the treaty, right? Like the brain are going to be coming into the dominion and part of the treaty between the Dominion and the Breene that Demar is being asked to sign has him signing away swathes of Cardassian territory,

entire planets to the Breene. And he's like, what the fuck, man? Like, I don't even know which planets I'm signing away. I don't want to do that. You were implying that Cardassian territory doesn't belong to the founders. Surely that isn't what you meant. He needs to get the wet version of the contract, Ben.

The wet version is something you and I have been recently made aware of. Yeah. When you do business with certain entities, it's not enough to do a digital signature. Dark you sign will not suffice. Yeah, there is not Dark you sign wet yet that we're aware of. Though that might be a North Hollywood bit of business. I'll have the Burrito Mojado and the contracto mojado, por favor. It isn't just irritating to Dimar, it's actually threatening

because you never want to sign a contract you haven't read. Diar is doing the diligence of having read the contract and he's still not getting any information that he needs from it. Oh, you need to worry about that. He clearly has a problem with alcohol, but is also capable enough to, when somebody gives him an iPad with a contract

and it like read through it and like catch shit that is fucked up about it. And just a note, this is the baseline level of incredulity that Demar will be feeling this episode. This is outrageous. It's all upward from here. Because there's also a situation on Septimus 3 that could end up being a blood bath.

Ben, Demar wants to deviate the klingons that are currently there, but way you want them to take a deep breath before making any decisions. He's like, I wish I could, but I need that operation. I'm reluctant to get it, though, because I've heard it's very painful. Yeah. Talk to Thought Gore. Express your concerns. Back on Deep Space Nine, Martok and Siskow are gloating about how excited they are that the

Septimus 3 campaign is going so well. In a way that like later in the episode, this seemed like a really fucked up to me, because we find out that this is what this represents is half a million cardacians being killed. Old men in walking mode, they don't stand a chance. I think you're right. This is going great. Captain Sisko is like, it's great for us, Septimus for the rest of us.

Right, talk is all about them feats of strength. Martak Pivot's much like Captain Sisko did in the last episode from the business to the personal because he's there. He was not present at Ben Cisco's wedding, which was unfortunate. My invitation must have been lost in the mail. No matter, I congratulate you on the fortuitous marriage of you to that freighter captain. Let us agree that marriage is terrible. We are two long-suffering men,

beset on all sides by the wheels of our wives. This story that he tells about Serella, basically killing his dog, is awful. And if we had heard the story before we met Serella I would have liked to even less. Yeah totally insane. Serella totally duck Phillips Martox Targ. What more do you need to know? If you were looking for a podcast that combined madman references with Star Trek Deep Space 9 characters. You found it. Yeah, welcome.

You are home. It's a fun story told well by a fun actor, but the story itself, horrifying. I mean, I think that it's like interesting character building for more talk though, right? Because what he describes, love and marriage as is an intoxicating war. Like the fact that there is conflict in his marriage is the thing for him. And I know marriages like this where like I have a couple of friends where the conflict is what they're there for. And it's like I could not live like that. It can be a little unsettling for very conflict diverse people like you and I. It can be a little unsettling for very conflict-averse people like you and I.

It can be unsettling when you go out to dinner together. I know. Yeah. I had a friend in college who just, it was like a 10 out of 10, like, debate or fight. One of the two, whenever his girlfriend was around, and I would like try and like calm things down and counsel them. And he pulled me aside at one point.

He was like, no, like me and Tammy like that. That's what we want. And I was like, oh. My grandparents used to fight like that. Like I was a very little kid when I would go stay with my grandparents and they would fight hard. Wow. All the time, like my grand had got out of a moving vehicle

one time mid-fight. Like that's how hard they would fight. And I'm in the back like, what the fuck? Or whatever the equivalent is to an eight-year-old. Yeah. What do eight-year-old say for what the fuck? But they love each other very much. Yeah, that's sweet.

Hey, speaking of love, Adam Adam Galdu-Kat and Kai win Literally feeding each other fruit in bed and they're making soul-bore bring the fruit. Are you happy? Adami More than I've ever been in my life First you want to kill me now you want to kiss me Blow yeah, they go from one fruit bulb up next. Looks like.

Yeah. Better fruit bulb than you usually get in a hotel like this, right? I didn't see any honey do melon on this plate. And that really speaks well of the accommodations on Deep Space Nine. Post-coital fruit platter, kind of a nice thing to have, I think. Put the electrolytes back up, get the blood sugar, equalized. Yeah, and like if there's pineapple in that plate,

it might speak well of the next time you get down. Gold to cut, the cut, gold to cut. So, this is a scene that made me wonder, at what point do you foresee gold to cut becoming Kai? Mm. And this is probably a question that reveals to everyone listening that I've never seen the end of the show or makes me a prophet.

Makes you, yeah. For guessing. Yeah, they're in the scene, geaming on the emissary. And you know, Kai win is kind of wondering if she's going to have the strength to do it. But it's also interesting because they've really like fallen into this dynamic like the two of us are gonna do What the prophets ask us to do together? But we are like still waiting for the call. We don't know what the mission is gonna be just yet Yeah, and so it's all about

This this mutual confidence building between the two of them. Right. And where do you build confidence, Adam? The mirror. I really... This is an episode directed by Renee Obersenwa, and a large portion of this scene takes place in the reflection of the Van Vee mirror on Kywin's desk. Yeah. Like that. It's fun to take an angle like that

when you're directing a scene this way. I pray that I'll have the strength to do what the prophets are asking of me. Speaking of love, Adam, in the next scene, Wurf and Ezri are comforting themselves in that animalistic way, hanging from the ceiling.

I think you got to tease the hair out a little more for this scene if you're setting it up, right? I didn't get the sense they were in this position very long because the hair isn't totally blown out. If Warf hadn't been in his bun, I feel like then, then we would have seen some shit, right? You can hear it in his voice though. It sounds like it's a strain to be hanging upside down if you're Michael Dorn. I doubt that is what our captors had in mind.

This is another moment where we're with people being tortured And then we cut back across to Cisco, like chilling out and living his normal life. Yeah, cooking, not thinking about the fact that Warf and Ezri are missing still. It's not a good look. Did Warf and Ezri come up one single time in the last episode? I was like, I don't think they did.

I'm thinking back on the episode where initially, Ezra jaked the shuttle and Odo presses Ben Cisco on why he's just gonna let her do it. And then he goes, you know, Dax gone, Dax. And that being the last time it's ever brought up, I feel like something could have happened there

constructively that for forgave all of the scenes that followed where it seems like Cisco is ignoring that situation in a cruel kind of way. Because like over the course of this episode, the concern increases on the station, but we know that it's been like at least a week at this point. Yeah. So very concerning that nobody has even brought it up. And this is a scene about the intoxicating war beginning. Right, because Cassidy has returned from a cargo

run while Sisko is at the oven preparing a meal. And she mentioned something about things changing between her and the Bajoran crew, which is like, finally, we get some Cassidy-Eights at least a little bit of agnosticism from her about the profit thing. And I think this is interesting. This creates an interesting dynamic. The thing that I don't agree with in this scene is that you should never start an argument with someone who's preparing your food. Right.

And that's what Cassidy does. Yeah, because he invites her to run some ceremony. He does for women that want to get pregnant. And he's like, it would really mean a lot to them if you gave them your blessing or whatever. And she's like, I'm for sure never going to do that. That's not my bag. I didn't convert to your religion, and I'm not going to do it. Instead, I'm going to gonna do that, that's not my bag. I didn't convert to your religion and I'm not gonna do it.

Instead, I'm gonna go take a shower. And he has like a jar of spices in his hands when she slams the door on his dick. And he switches to a different jar of spices when she does that. And that was like- He's the suggestion that those are spaces that she hates? Yeah, for sure he just like put ghost chilies in the fucking John Belaya.

What? Yeah. Cassidy will be taking another shower later on in the evening. It's an intoxicating war, Adam, an intoxicating war. And so, the battle begins. Speaking of love, Adam, war and Ezri are collaborating on a project of trying to pry a pin out from underneath the cot in their cell on Cardassia Prime, which is where they've been brought by change leaders tick. The pride does not go well

enterprise, especially for Ezri, who bonks her noggin and cuts her finger and blames all this on wharf. Are you hurt? Oh, me, Mr. Butterfingers. It seems like she would be the one to work underneath the bunk though, given how big he is, right? I know. It doesn't make sense. She can get in there easy. I mean, what really caused the bunk is this argument about who seduced who when they crashed on that planet a few episodes ago.

And this is brewing into a full-throated argument. The insults start flying back and forth. She calls him a giant ego and they're pissed at each other. I mean, pissed because they fucked on the planet. And I think they're both basically embarrassed about it. I seduced you. At least we agree on that point. What? And they don't get the opportunity to go to their separate corners and be alone with it.

Like they've got to confront it and each other for all this time that they're together. Mm-hmm. Because Wei-Yun at the beginning was like, put them in the same cell so that the dramatic tension can be higher. Right. Wei-Yun is there to introduce even more stress to them because they're war criminals now Ben. And they're due to stand trial, a trial in which they will be found guilty and executed.

He comes in with this iPad and he's like, this is, you know, when they put the clip show devices on you guys last episode, it didn't work great. So if you guys could clear up a couple of the like madlibs parts of this, that would be great. And he kind of puts Ezri's horning this for Julian Bashir on main in a way that really crushes Gwarf. Like you can see the like third party confirmation of Warf's worst fears realized and just a relentless trip to the ball kicking machine for him. Warf's violence is so instantaneous here, it was pretty terrifying. Like if all it takes is the reference of something to irritate him, to get him into

next snapping mode. What if every time Bashir came up for the rest of the season, Worf killed a man? Yeah, Worf does this next snap with the confidence and skill of a man who's done this a thousand times before. Yeah. And it's in a situation that Demar has seen maybe a thousand times before. I mean, it doesn't even make his dick move positions. You should have killed me.

There's only one Demar. This does nothing for him, seeing Wei Yun die. Yeah. So, Wei Yun dead and Demar's like, I don't really give a shit. Like, I'm kind of lost the zeal of my allegiance. Like, he hasn't lost his allegiance, but... Someone sprinkles some cat litter over Wei-Yoon's body.

You know, a good one with the rest of our day. That's gonna start to smell in a few days. Yeah, that's some rugged torture right there. You leave Wei-Yoon's body in the cell. Yeah, to me, this is a pretty long time now that Demar has gone not being drunk. And the next scene is Kai Wynne getting faded again. And I feel like at this point in the episode,

I'm going like, wow, they have really changed roles. Like now, Wynne is the lush and Demarne is like serious villain guy. They're at that point in a new relationship where they fucked a lot. And now's the time where you get to know the person you've been fucking so much lately. Who are you?

A worse night now. I mean, I want to know everything. Yeah, I loved the part of my relationship with my wife where she never got out of a white, gossamer robe. Yeah. Kiwin's not gonna be wearing white for long. The wine that they're drinking is also the like

really fancy shit, right? The gift wine for the Cisco wedding. That's gotta hurt. She's a pre-war vintage and she's given it to do cut. Goldu cuts, like it tastes a little different, not drinking it out of a hollowed out bejure and skull. I mean, not drinking it out of a, because I would never do that.

Right, I would never do that. I'm a man of the land with a plan. Sure. I wear a calf tan, I drive a fan, definitely not a Kardashian. Kai win is interrupted by a profit vision in the scene. What she believes to be a profit vision, she gets right on the ground and starts licking boot. And mid, like after about the seventh or or 8th boot that gets licked, uh, what she believes were the profits revealed themselves to be paw-race.

Twist! At which point she's like, Petooie. Hahaha. Gross. These are not the boots I thought I was licking. I mean, I knew boots weren't supposed to taste good, but this is ridiculous. Right, and this is a shattering moment for Kai-Win. Because she believed that she was talking to the prophets the last time, and this reveal

shakes her to her core. She definitely wanted to be doing a mission for the prophets and is loyal to them. Did you understand what the Sisko Pa-Rath had in its hand? Yeah, that's a weird reference. Is it like a branch Pa Rathian earring? I wonder if it was in reference to the story she told in the last episode about the jewels that she traded.

Because it didn't look quite like a earring or an necklace to me. It looked like stones of some kind. Yeah, I couldn't decode it. It'd be curious to know what that was about. We've gotten a version of the Wii's Fletcher's Ki-Win for so long that to get this gear out of her I thought was a real treat, the shattered Ki-Win. Yeah.

The not confident version, the not scheming version, the Ki-Wident version, the not-scheming version, the Kaiwen that's lost at all, and that was just a really great performance. I did too, and one thing I really loved about this moment at the end of the vision is in the vision she shouts no, and she's also shedding no in reality and they cut right in the middle of the no. So it's like one word carried across two planes of existence in the edit. No! No! And it was really effective. I really liked that touch.

In the aftermath of this, Kaewen needs Golda Ka to bring her the orb in order to get forgiveness. Yeah. She's got to get into some kind of council. She's got to get right with gods. And Golducat's happy to do this. Once he leaves and goes out into the hallway, he is smiling ear to ear. This plan is going great for him. Yeah, he starts whistling, he clicks his heels together.

He buys two jump justics out on the promenade and licks them both. On Cardassia, Demard is into the bottle when Wei-Yun eight walks in. Yeah, it seems like he's maybe just getting started, but he's like, he's really having a great time. Back on the sauce. The death of Wei-Y and is always worthy of celebration.

You know, their prisoners are going to get executed. It's all scheduled. It's going great. They're not going to be participating in any filling in of gaps. And way you also invites the brain into the command center, into the room, they can see the big board, and this kind of freaks them out. His mood really turns in this moment because the brain start like looking through the computer systems, their classified databases and stuff, and why even has really just thrown the doors wide open to these guys. When the brain joined the tour group at Cheyenne Mountain, they assume they also have computer access.

And no one's staffing them. This is filling tomorrow with consternation. Because this is the moment where he realizes that he's been demoted below Thought Gore. This is a huge embarrassment for him. And Wayans like, nothing I can do, bro, this comes right from Trangeleter. She fucking hates your gods. You know she hates you, right?

Let's get a be a surprise. You're always complaining about the thermostat. Yeah. I was telling you to stop complaining, but you didn't listen. I will not. I love that Ezri and Worf's jailbreak scene pays off with the jailbreak. Like the door is open, which is something I'd never expected Worf to be able to do.

And they're out. And then the music swells and we get the action scene. I'm like, yes, they're getting the hell out of here. They're phasering guys in the like carpeted hallways of the Cardassian detention center. We cut to that angle around the corner, and then it's over. Like it's over as fast as it starts. Yeah, they're surrounded.

Worf takes one in the leg. He's kind of fucked up. But yeah, the escape does not go well, huh, surprise. Yeah. Back on Deep Space Nine at the bar, But yeah, the escape does not go well, Enterprise. Back on Deep Space 9 at the bar, Quark has been keeping a sort of visual for Esri where he fills a glass with her favorite, I don't know, wine or something.

The bar crew is really worried about Esri. Not a line about Wharf in this entire scene, but Bashiro, Brian, and Quark very sad that Esri, not a line about Worf in this entire scene, but Bashiro, Brian, and Quark very sad that Esri's gone. They all agreed to maybe say something to Captain Cisco about maybe trying to get them back at some point. They haven't decided who's going to do that. Maybe when the like bloom is off the rose with the wedding a little bit, you know, let's

give them a couple of weeks, but I love that Quark is like the dancer from the dirty Vegas days go by video. He's pouring the drink to bring her back, Ben. One of these days, Ezra's gonna come walking through those doors again. And this drink is gonna be sitting right here waiting for her when she does. It seems like more of a waste of booze than Quark would typically be interested in though.

I thought about that. You can tell that's how strong his feelings are, is that he's willing to lose a little bit. The margin on whatever beverage that is must be really big, right? Like, I'm not really losing that much profit. I like that Bashir in the scene kind of eulogizes his relationship to Ezri

and can't quite even get the words out. Yeah, the way he is lost kind of lost in a reverie, he's like not in control of his own emotions that he can't form a coherent thought almost. And he's a super genius. Yeah. So you know if he can't make the words, something's really wrong.

Something bad is happening. Yeah. So the Orba arrives in Kiwins quarters and Kiwin is ready to open them doors and get into it with the orb, but when she does, nothing happens. It is a huge bummer and it made me, I thought really hard about what's supposed to happen when you open the doors. Like, do you get right into it immediately? And there's that pregnant moment where happen when you open the doors. Like, do you get right into it immediately? And there's that pregnant moment where Kiwin opens the doors to the orb and nothing happens.

She's like washed in the bright white light. She's devastated. Yeah. No, no! And this is where Angel slash DuCat can kind of unveil the prestige. Yeah, he takes it out. He reveals that he did not stumble into her office

as a wayward farmer looking for a blessing for his next month's crop. He's been working with the Branch Power Aetheans the entire time, and like she starts to like freak out and struggle with him. She fucking slaps him with the weakest slap maybe we've ever seen on TV, and it made me wonder if they had some sort of deal on set about how hard Louise Fletcher was going to slap Mark Alamo. Yeah.

Like I really wanted to take the bark off of him a little bit. I thought it was kind of interesting because I almost interpreted it. Like she starts pounding on his chest and it really feels like she's pulling it, but it also kind of feels like she is so weakened by this kind of collapse of her concept of reality that she has no fight in her.

That makes sense. And he is giving her the branch paracian pitch, right? The prophets didn't do anything during the occupation. They turn their backs on Beige or why are you venerating these gods that don't give a shit about you kind of a line? And- When you hear this list of indignities,

it's fairly persuasive. Right, it's what's persuasive about atheism in general. It's like, why is the world so fucking terrible if there's some loving God somewhere? Golducats, like, look, we're just gonna need to brand you with the GDK initials right here. It's not weird. You're going to think it's the initials for angel, but it's actually the initials for Golducon.

Right. We're going to slot you into a real master servant situation here. Yeah. Now, I'm going to need you to text me some pictures of your butt. Yeah. But what's interesting about this scene is like, I think a weaker episode would have had Kiwin capitulate in the face of all of this proof that Goldu-Kat's giving her that she's been fucking up the entire time. And at the end of this scene, Kiwin is seeming to reject the offer. Yeah, she tells him to fuck off and then she is like slumped against the wall, basically begging this orb to tell her what to do because she is so terrified that she has

spent even a few moments in league with the bads. I love this bit of business here with how this shot and this scene is composed because we're in on Louise Fletcher as she's doing the begging and we're pulling out. Yeah. And I don't think a viewer can be sure that she's not begging Gouldoucat in this scene. Yeah. And when it's finally revealed to be the orb box, there was a little bit of relief on

my part seeing that she is of the same mind as she was in the previous scene. Right. With that desperation to have a proper, profit experience and one that can forgive her. Morning, morning, morning, steve sweet, morning, morning, morning, You need to hear everybody, morning, stop, have a time. She summons Colonel Kira to her quarters and I feel like the Ki-Win crisis of faith scene and confession to Colonel Kira is why you cast Louise Fletcher. Like this is like two giants of acting in a really intense scene together. Like the novice, the Luis Fletcher hitting this ball

back and forth was so intense. I love that when it's clear that Kaewin is misunderstood what Kira is really saying, like the subtext of her advice, there's something so threatening about that moment because like initially, this is a power imbalance, right? Kai-win has asked for help from Akira who is giving that help and it appears for a moment that they are on the same level. But once Kai-win decides that this is bad advice that she's not

going to take for action, of course she's not going to stop being Kai. She sees us that power right back. And it's scary the moment she does. It really is. The dynamics in the scene, like really blew my hair back. Because Kai-Win brings Kira in because she has lost her direction. Like she feels back into a corner.

She is betrayed. she almost has nothing and by the end of the scene She is like back to full scary villain in a way that really surprised me Bay-jorn needs me and You could say scary or as a villain because now she's less predictable It almost feels like she brought Kira in because Kira is like the thing that she bounces against as a villain so often, that just the idea of bringing Kira in is like enough for her to recalibrate and remember what she stands for. It's interesting that, twice in successive episodes, we've had a major,

bejure and religious figure ask Kira for advice. And both times that advice has been rejected, both by Cisco and by Kai Wynne here, right? Cheers gotta start getting a little bit nervous about this, mate. Yeah, I think she's gonna to start turning down invitations. Yeah, sorry, I don't, I don't really give advice to major figures in my religion anymore. So it's not gone well for me in the past.

Both Captain Cisco and Kai Wynn have asked Kira for advice about how to start a podcast and maybe the one took advice that Kira came. That feels familiar. Yeah. Great scene with Wei Yun and the brain yucking it up and Demar is revealed to be in the room and they're saying, like, oh yeah, this part of the war is going super well and Demar is like, yeah, but the Septimus thing. Like we talked about the Septimus at the beginning of the episode and how important it was to deal with that. And-

I got the Septimus pole and everything. Yeah. We're gonna do Feats a Strength. Yeah. We're gonna do the airing of grievances. I mean, there's gonna be a whole thing. Have you not heard me the entire time? I've been airing grievances.

J. Peterman came. Like, people are enthusiastic about this for once. This is the tipping point. Demar is very angry about the Septimus 3 situation and this confrontation with wayune 8 goes poorly. Listen, I'll explain. No! No!

The half a million loyal cardassians that were left to perish did not get any backup. Nobody came to save the day for them and Wei-un is like, yeah, because we were letting the Klingons commit tons of resources to Septimus 3, which doesn't have any strategic importance. This is going awesome for us. Like this, this brain alliance is great. And if cardacians have to suffer at times to serve the founders, then it's their honor to do so. The suffocation at Septimus 3 will never be forgotten. Demar's never going to get over this.

Yeah. So he kind of storms out of the room, way you and, and thought core, make a comment about how hard it is to get a days work out of tomorrow these days and another brain in the corner goes wow this kitty has claws only it's like boop boop boop boop boop and then we get the famous scene where DeMar chucks a glass of good art against a mirror. It is so nasty.

That mirror is never gonna be the same. Yeah, you can't clean that. Like, you'd have to put it through like a dishwasher. You're gonna need one of those razor blades to like, like, you get bubble gum out of a piece of concrete floor with. Yeah. Great moment.

The viscosity really makes all the difference here. Yeah. If only the bottle of canar that our listener made for us had that much viscosity to it, oh well. Yeah. So, Ezrian War for starting to lose hope and accept their fate as people about to be executed. Yeah. But they still have enough time to argue about Ezri and Jadziah and why the situation has been

so challenging for them. I hate to burst your bubble warf, but it wasn't that good. I really liked this scene. I like both them blocking, which is pretty simple, but very elegant and well done. And the kind of color palette of the scene are really nice. It's dark, but then when there's any light,

it's these deep, rich, reds and browns. And they're kind of having this scene where they agree, like, oh, we both fucked up. Like we kind of, we fell for each other by kind of rounding each other up into something that we knew we weren't going to be. It's too fairly immature characters arriving at a mature conclusion. Yeah.

Yeah. I really liked it. And I liked how they left it. And I liked that it ends with them getting to escape. Yeah, because Wurf admits to not loving Ezra as much as Jadzia. Yeah. And the thing they agree about is that maybe there was a kind of ankylossor rebound happening. Yeah. Maybe that's all it is.

And all that darkness and like cozy closeness like evaporates when the doors open and like all the light from the hallway is cast on them and reality enters again and Demar is there with a couple of gem-hidars to walk them to their execution and Demar shoots the gem-hidars, gives them the rifles and tells them how to escape from Cardassian space.

There's a Cardassian patrol ship sitting in lunch, Bay 3A, two levels above us. Do we know how Cardassians execute? If you like, that would have been a fun, little drip of trivia here. Like, I wanted to know where they were headed. What exactly was going to happen to them? Yeah.

Because that helps me be afraid of a thing, you know? where they were headed, what exactly was going to happen to them? Yeah. Because that helps me be afraid of a thing. That helps me get on the side of War of an Esri if it's like, we're going to stick you in front of a fine mesh screen and push. It's like, like that. Give me the detail of that so I have something to fear. That would have helped, absolutely. I don't know about you, but I fear the known way more than the unknown.

I think that's a great point. That would have been good. What an alien culture values is so interesting as much as how they choose to kill you, I think. You can really learn a lot about a guy, by the way, like to end your life. I mean, that's classic serial killer pathology, right? That's where you start. The method of death is how you begin to figure out where a serial killer's coming from. Yeah.

The news reaches way in and thought gore and way in. He just looks like he's had his pants pulled all the way down. He is freaking out. You know, change leader wants to see him. He knows that that's not going to go well. Yeah, much like Kai Wynne showing up for a meeting right on the heels of the disillusion of the Cisco marriage. Like, this is a terrible moment for a meeting with change leader if you're wayune eight. Yeah. terrible moment for a meeting with change leader if you're way you an eight. Yeah, but a warfin' Esri heading back to deep space nine with the news that the drunkest man on

Kardashian is their friend. You know what's gonna be great in the next episode is Esri and Warf showing up on deep space nine and everyone just being very surprised to see them. Oh, I remember you guys. There better be an explanation to this when they get back. Do you think there's a way to tie this up in a way that makes any sense? There's gotta be a reason. Forces goes in action here.

I wish I felt like I knew. Yeah, well we'll find out when the viewers do next week. Yeah. I've got for option one. The button on the episode is DuCott getting his Kai. Yeah. She's been turned. She admits to Gulducott that her faith in the Prophet

says always been performative. This was so interesting to me. I always wonder this about like the many hens of the world. Like, like, are these people that are like so craven in the way they perform their faith? Really people that totally lack faith and are like terrified by that fact. And.

Yeah, they would seem to be the engine for that performance. Right. And I got, I think she is so interestingly written. I mean, it really reminded me of like recent political shit in this country. Like, just like, oh, I got this power that I didn't, I didn't actually think I was going to get. So I'm going to embrace like the ugliest version of that kind of thing. Right, and assuming a mandate where none exists.

Yeah, so she's going full branch pyrothian and they're gonna walk this path that the pyrothes have set out for them together. I have worked too hard, waited too long to give it all up now. And the last line of the episode is about how they're going to like sweep aside the federation and the emissary of the profits.

Pretty dark stuff. It's like, it almost feels like a third front and the war is opening up. Yeah, and the thing is, the federation doesn't know about this. Yeah. This is still a surprise waiting to happen. Well did you like this episode Ben? I did like the episode. I know that we're in

kind of the early stages of a big long arc but this felt like a great sequel to a great, like last episode in this episode feeling especially related to each other and this feeling I get great sequel to the last episode is kind of what I'm trying to put my finger on. Yeah, I agree. I keep wanting to consume this series faster in a way that is unfamiliar up until now. Like, I've been pretty happy with watching several episodes a week for the purposes of our show, but I keep wanting to watch ahead

in a binge kind of fashion because I wanna see where this goes. And I think part of the reason for that is, I'm having a hard time predicting where all of this ends. I think the show's done a very good job of obscuring what could be pretty tropey situations. They've managed to avoid things like that in favor of some pretty surprising elements at this point. I'm pretty satisfied with the story as it is right now, and I'm looking forward to more.

There's a pretty rich threading of story going on right now, that's really cool to watch. I'm enjoying it too. Yeah. Adam, do you want to see if we have any priority one messages in the inbox? P1s always threaded through the fabric of our show like like a hair piece. Priority one message from Star Fleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplemental link. Supplement? Supplement. Supplement. Yeah, it's extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Can't even see the work. Ben, our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. Okay. The message goes like this. Leadership. The final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starfleet Leadership Academy.

It's ongoing mission to develop leaders through Star Trek to boldly go where no podcast has gone before. Wow. Starfleet Leadership Academy is a Star Trek podcast told through the lens of leadership development. Jeff Aiken, a leader with over 20 years of executive management experience, breaks down each episode of Star Trek, and points out examples of great leadership, management,

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So yeah, on that one. I'm curious about that podcast. That sounds cool. Our next priority one message item is from your father. And it is to Leon and Anna Sadowski. And it goes like this. Oh boy Adam, this looks like it's a video. This is from your father, and it is to Leon and Anna Sadowski, and it goes like this.

Oh boy Adam, this looks like it's supposed to be read by you. Oh great, alright. Here's the text. Is it supposed to be in a voice? I don't see anything like that, anyways. Since you guys were born, Adam and Ben have been like a couple of guidance to your daddy's in-s and row. They kept my mood up when I was nursing a pink drink and ten forward. Consider this your baptism and these two.

You the Borg! Your Godfathers. Love daddy. Wow. And we just became Godparents, Ben. That's all it takes. Oh boy. That's a lot of responsibility. Well, I'll try not to be too insulted by the fact,

Leon and Anna, that your father had, Adam read that and not me. Right. But, you know, you can come to me for anything, maybe in your Godfather. Yeah, you're, you can come to me for anything, maybe in your godfather. Yeah, you're the cool godfather. Yeah, we always play a game of good godfather, bad godfather.

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Incredible. Drunk Shimoda! It feels like I've been very, a very actor centric lately, and I think I'm gonna give my Shimoda to Louise Fletcher, who is just expanding into the entire spectrum of character here. Yeah.

Like really, really filling the space with all the Kiwin can be. I think that's not to say the Kiwins ever been one note or that Louise Fletcher has ever played her that way, but really interesting to see a character like hers go through the stages as she, as she has to in this app. So I think that deserves a Shimoda commendation. So I'm just going to give mine to her. What about you? I'm going to give mine to Wayun. I just, I love that scene where he's doing bits with Thought Gore and the camera pulls back to reveal that Dermars in there also. Yeah. You know, the cut into two characters like laughing their bellies off is always a fun moment and I just, I really like Wayude in this episode.

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