The Greatest Generation - A Real Haranguing or Banging Conundrum (DS9 S2E16)

Episode Date: June 11, 2018

When Dax and Odo find a techno-donut, it’s only the first clue in a very Star Trek mystery. Back on the station, Jake gets his first job and Quark tries to job Kira while Vedek Bareil tries to get a job of his own. Could Odo Riker an ankylosaur? Why are the Bjorans so willing to give up the jumja? What’s a good ratio of walls to holes? It’s the episode that shucks before it shaves. Come see us live on tour with Greatest Gen Khan🎉🎉🎉! Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets!

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I'm Adam Pranaka. How's it going, Adam? I'm looking at my desk and the beverages that are on it. I have three beverages there. One of them is a half-drank can of lime liqueuroy. One of them is a mug of half-finished coffee from this morning. Sure. And the other one is a Modello special. This is what I call the heartburn triple play. It's really like when you put wet garbage into a garbage can and it leaks out of the bag. That's what my tone is going to be like in about 20 minutes.

It's going to be all of those things. Each on their own and individually quite refreshing. Mm-hmm. I'm opening the beer now. I think as we do the show, I will return to each one. I'm not a fan of the flavored silters. Oh, you're a pure La Croix person or

Whatever I'd say I'd say that La Croix is fine and if there's no other Celtzer around I might drink one But but yeah if if I'm if I'm purchasing celtzer, which I don't really do because I have ways to make it myself, if I'm purchasing celtzer, I'm going for an unadulterated celtzer flavor. Has anyone ever accused you of having strong opinions, W-slash-R, slash tea, food and drink? I mean, it's come up. drink. I mean, it's come up. One of the best gifts I ever got. My mom gave me like a seltzer bottle that, you know, you get like a, you get seltzer chargers for it and

it, you make seltzer and then it's like, it's like one of those things that a marks brother would spray it another marks brother. But is that the same as a whipping siphon? Is it the same bottle and charger configuration? So it's the same principle, but I think with a whipping siphon, you use nitrogen to whip it or something not, it's not the same as a selter charger, because if you use that on whipped cream,

it comes out with a weird seleltzery aftertaste. Oh, you know what that? Yeah, which does not, is not a pleasing addition to shantee. Give me a break. I don't know what that is. Are you going to, you can tell our viewers what that is? Well, I had them in French cooking. So you're gonna tell our viewers what that is? Well, Adam in French cooking,

you take heavy cream and you can whip it until you get soft peaks, which is a shanty, but there are several phases of whipped cream all the way from liquid heavy cream to butter. And shanty is the most desirable midpoint for a dessert application. Wow, it is like you read it out of an encyclopedia. You really had that down cold. I could be totally wrong about that by the way. After you make butter is that stage the refractory?

That's just how my dad's friend Dan explained it to me one time. Oh, geez, your dad's friend Dan taught you had a whip soft peaks. Yeah, he also taught me how to check oysters. Oh, my dad's friend Dan is a cool guy. Yes, that's what about food. Yeah, I don't remember shucking my first oyster until like maybe 10 years ago. I was an adult.

He were a late bloomer. Hahaha. God, in every way, every checkbox. Hahaha. Wait, you weren't? I'd say that there was one area in which I was precocious and it was the oyster shucking. You were, you were shucking oysters 10 years before you were shaving. Yeah, absolutely.

I would, I would walk around my high school and I could, I could just look at the guys walking around that school and know which one of them had shucked in oyster and which one hadn't just by how they carried themselves, you know. You're a your Letterman's jacket was covered in patches not for football or basket ball but uh but there's like a whisk patch. That's yours. Yeah. That's yours. Yeah. Did you ever in your adolescence have a, like, an older or cooler dude go, hey Adam, you ever had sex? I bet you haven't had sex.

You don't seem like you have. Oh no, I think that was just assumed. It was just like, to even waste the breath would be- It was just like a totology even bringing it up. I am so tired of that totology. Yeah, that, that, that jocks gonna save that breath for, for athletics. It's not gonna waste it on me.

I, I imagine that happened to you though. Is that why you did that? Yeah, I feel like I had that experience like on the, on the bus to high school, at some point, where in front of a bunch of people, one of the older boys asked me if I'd ever had sex, and that split second of hesitation revealed to everybody what the real answer was. Even if I had tried to say, yeah, at that point, you must never hesitate.

So much happens in that period of hesitation. Right. But... So a pregnant pause. But I feel like anyone who asks the question already knows the answer. Yeah. They're putting you into a thing. I think that just asking the question implies

that like the person asking the question is implying about themselves that they have. Which is why you always wanna be the asker. Right. What I should have realized from that experience is never engage socially with anyone. Yeah, were you on a school bus at this point? Like how did this happen?

Yeah, it was on a school. A lot of fairly nightmarish shit took place on that school bus. God, no kidding. Not a good time. I did whatever I could to get a ride to school whenever possible. Well, Adam, do you want to slip into something a little bit more starfleet? Yeah. Something wherein the both of us don't hesitate when we ask each other questions and then give answers to those questions.

Yeah. As we talk about. We're brimming with confidence on this subject. Let's get into season two, episode 16, Shadowplay. It's a road trip with Dax and Odo. Two characters that we haven't really seen much of in the last little while I feel like. Odo, whenever possible, expresses the vibe of someone who doesn't get along well with others, doesn't have a lot of friends, certainly doesn't have a lot of romantic interest

if you were to ask him if he'd ever had sex, I think. No quick retort from Odo on that. You would totally pause there. But that brings to mind like how he talks his way onto this runabout. Like he doesn't have to be there, he's not ordered to be there. Do you think DAX is pumped about this? I feel like DAX is kind of down for, she's into variety, you know. In a cultural anthropology context, I think she's super down.

I mean, Odo is not something the seven lifetime's old Ankylosaur has encountered. So I think she's down for a hang with that guy. You know, Odo could put things inside of him too. I wonder if he could keep an Ankylosaur warm. Ankylosaur. Oh, it'd be like Riker, but without the surgery. Yeah, he'd have all the cables.

He'd make them. Could he pump nutrients? If you gave Odo a pint of blood, could he pump it for you? I'm positive he could, because he can turn into a pump, right? Yeah. Well, Dax is kind of talking through the various romantic gossip's taking place on the station. Frankly, Lieutenant, I failed to see any point

in your story at all. One little tidbit I enjoyed learning in this was that a Boolean woman has taken over the Jumja station. Well, it was Jumja, a Bajorian treat? It seems weird that it would be a boolean woman. I also assumed that Jumja was native to Beijor. One of the, I always watch, I always have the episode open with subtitles on next to me when we're recording this so I can scrub through and see what they're talking about. And the subtitles can get really fun because somebody who is just a professional subtitle writer had to watch the episode and write down what they're saying. And in Star Trek, there are definitely times where such a person could be forgiven for throwing their hands up. And one such time is, Jim Jekki-ask is one word in the estimation of this caption writer.

Ben, Jim Jostics are extremely sweet, bejorin confections. Man, what is this boolean woman doing with this cultural appropriation bullshit? I don't know if it's appropriation. I think you go to, you visit the kitchens of ethnic restaurants of all stripes and you'll get all kinds of people preparing and serving food of that kind.

So I don't know, why are you such a bejure and purist when it comes to the jump-jostic? I'm just saying the bejure has been through a lot. You're taking a good paying bejure and job away from a bejure. Artists, musicians, confectioners,

they've got a proud legacy, and they seem so willing to give up the jump jaw portion of their culture. Maybe the bejure and dude that worked there before that like stopped serving Kiko and Miles that time. Had to give it up because he got sued for discrimination. There are a mail of gossip to go around though. Like DAX is really giving the, here's what happened last time on Real Housewives of DS9. Sort of update to Odo. And while Odo at first is uninterested in the way that I am often uninterested in hearing you update me on Vanderpump shit,

Sure. He then states a very clear opinion toward the end of the conversation about some of the players involved. Yeah, at a certain point, even he is not immune to the charms of a Kyle Richardson. Ha, ha, ha, single name come to mind in that context is really impressive. Like a John Vanderpump.

Yep. Love that guy. They're out looking into a weird field of energy signatures or something, and they come upon a planet that has a, like, an Omicron particle field on it. And so they're kind of curious about this. It's like a M-class planet. It seems like a normal place, but they can't detect life signs, and it is very weird that Omicron particles would be just happening naturally. Like they are the result of a man-made process according to DAX. So they decide to beam down to take a peek. See what's going on.

I can't remember in a way team ever beaming down to an M class planet and finding no life there, right? That never happens. It seems rare. What do they think this is? Said the Alpha 6? Right. Give me a break. What they beam down to is the thionone self-place it. It's the same thing. The sensors can pick up neither lifelines or a nicely tiled patio, which is what the thionone self-place it is. Right. Yeah, and there's nobody's dying of radiation poisoning in here.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What they do find is like a giant techno donut in the middle of the town square that is generating the field. And they're, you know, they're poking around at it. It doesn't seem like anybody's up, but a certain point auto turns around and realizes they've been made and

the the local sheriff has drawn down on them with a pistol Is he really the local sheriff and by local sheriff? I mean like Groovy guy who I don't know lives in a California beach community and wants to tell you about the powers of a crystal. He's like, burn out, will T-Soul. Like if will T-Soul post first blood, like went full circle, and he was like, yeah, man,

I was wrong. Got really into amber beads. Oh yeah, we gotta talk about these beads, Finn. Yeah. Like they've elevated the cultural importance of the taxi cab beaded seat cover into an actual thing to wear. It's like, what if you got in a car crash with the beaded seat cover and just kept them where they were for the rest of your life. They definitely seem to convey some kind of status or difference because different people

wear different amounts of them and in different places. But you don't really know as a viewer what they mean. Yeah. I mean, this guy just might have gotten to the parade first and then and then caught all of them You had the best boobs I mean you could tell great tits on that guy. Yeah real hot tits That is our very tense High stakes cut to title sequence. Do you think Odo's ever afraid of being shot? I don't know, can he like, do you think that's why he's such a cool customer here?

Can he tee 1000 his way around the laser beams? Sure feels like you should be able to. He definitely doesn't give DAX a good heads up. He really just lets your Prattle on with, like It doesn't seem like he really has her back here. No, I agree. Even though if he wanted to, he could literally have her back. What are you doing? What are you doing now? Be guard, be guard, be guard, be guard, be guard. Exactly. Back on the station, we introduced the B in the C story, the B story being Major Kira catching

up with Quark on the topic of his cousin and whether or not that cousin will be meeting him to do crime. What an unexpected pleasure. He's gone Quark. Quark has seen the absence of Odo on the station as a great opportunity to do some dirt. And Gira is on to him like they the cousin showed up and the second anybody like asked him who he was or what he was doing here. He You know psych to psych transported on a ship that was already leaving and Here to kind of like comes clean with cork about how much he hates his guts in this scene in a way that I've been kind of waiting for somebody to put it in terms of Stark as this. I don't just not like you. I despise you. Oh! No sign! Sick burn, bro! Sick burn!

Especially because up until now, we've had a season and a half of them sniping at each other, but it almost felt like it felt like it was sort of out of love, almost, the way that friends really dunk on each other. Like, it felt as though it didn't come from a pure amount of loathing that Kira is expressing here. What she says to him is pretty mean. I mean, but also true, like he did collaborate

with the Kardashians, he's happy to do business with anybody, he does cheat his customers. Like that's not wrong. And he has in fact put the station in danger many times, which is something that we've commented on a bunch. At what point does the chicken's come home to Ruse for quirk? Why is he tolerated? That's a great point.

She's expressing a feeling that we've had for a long time about him, and it only sounds strange to me because it's gone unsaid for so long. It is weird that it's gone unsaid. I think it's good that it has been said and it feels like it feels like something in the writers room maybe changed here where somebody said like,, listen, I've been thinking a lot about the role that Quark plays, and I feel that we haven't stayed at, like, nobody is really his antagonist in a serious way anymore, you know? Like, sure, we have Odo occasionally telling him about the crime that Odo knows he's about to try and commit and warning him off of it, but they haven't really,

they haven't been antagonists in an interesting way in a long time. And I like that they're inserting this tension in a more emphatic way. Yeah, it appears as though Kira and Odo are far more in lockstep with their opinion of Quark than they ever have been before. Like, Kira seems to have been more playful about it up until now, and now it seems like there's a harder line. And of course our C story, Adam, is Jake Sisko is going to get a job. Yeah, at the urging of his dad, his dad's like, look, you're 15 and a half or whatever. I guess the legal age for employment has not changed in several hundred years. And he's like, if you're

gonna make it in Starfleet, you better learn from the best that we have, the best of what's available and that would be one chief O'Brien. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien, this is fucking spectacular! And this is something that Jake has mixed feelings about. They've been sort of planning the seeds of this for a few episodes now, and it seems like Avery Brooks maybe went a little far with his portrayal of how much Cisco wants Jake to go to Star Fleet Academy because he literally says it like Star Fleet Academy. As if it has its own accompanying like sound effect sting at the end. Yeah. Yeah. The way he holds his hands up, who has ever done that in the history

of naming a college they want their kid to go to? I guess every overbearing dad? It's almost as if he's embodying Jake's reluctance to go by cartoonishly making it into the big deal that Jake believes he's making it into. Like there's a weird meta amount of feedback looping on that. True indeed. Yeah, you got to read the room, Pensisco.

I wonder if Jake goes to work with Chief O'Brien and is like, no, I already learned this stuff from your replicant last week. We can actually skip ahead. And how that would make Chief O'Brien feel. Yeah, anything you want to know about him because I spent a lot of time building a radio with him. So, you know, ask away if you're curious. You know the urinals on the promenade don't have partitions. So I could tell you about that too. That's Cardassian architecture for you. It's like, come on guys,

give us a little bit of privacy. Yeah, they're way close together. This is a space station, not a ballpark. You know deep space nine has troughs, right? Yeah. Mining station, it's gotta be. It's not built for comfort. It's the stainless steel trough

that's got like a trickle of water running constantly. Yeah, you know there's no ice in there either. No, they're not putting the ice in, they're not running a classy operation like that. No. There's no way to put a urinal cake in there, so you know there's build up. I went to a basketball game with a good friend of mine. One of my great, great friends.

It's a Portland Trailblazers game this season down there with him. And it is a stadium-style bathroom there with partitions, though, like partitions between urinals. All right. And so, like, you wait in the line. I'm painting this picture for anyone who has never been into a men's restroom at a sporting event. So, there's like a lineup, because it's busy. A lot of gentlemen, maybe over-consuming,

watered down beer. And needing to relieve themselves. You just wait in the queue and then you pop into the empty that someone leaves. It's very orderly. I would say that sporting event restroom and movie theater restroom are the two men's rooms that there's reliably a wait for. Yeah, that's fair. Anyway, so me and my good friend are in this line, and I'm front of the line, and so I go, and then I leave,

and I'm waiting outside because we're going to go grab some more beers and snacks, and my good friend comes out, and nothing is said about it until after the game, at which point, my good friend mentions the need to go again, and I don't regard this as anything strange. People have bladders of different sizes. Don't I know it, Adam? When he comes out for the second time, he's like, yeah, I wasn't able to go the first time. What?

I just didn't go. I just stood there. That's what he said. Because of Bachelbatter. Because of Bachelbatter. Because of Bachelbatter. What? And I have known people who have said, oh yeah, like I've got a Bachelorette. Because of Bachelorette. What? And I have known people who have said,

oh yeah, I've got a Bachelorette bladder. I have a hard time going. But I've never known someone who has stepped up to the plate and bat in hand has been unable to swing. Right. Like false alarm. I feel like I only get bashful blatter if I think about it ahead of time. Like, if I, like, I don't really consider myself to have it, but if I'm like standing there waiting, I'm like, what if I was one of those people with

bashful blatter? And then it might take me like three extra seconds to get it going. Right. Yeah. I don't know why I've never had that problem. Yeah. Well anyways. We've spent enough time in the trough at him. Let's talk about this situation on this Amacron planet where Daxonoto have been taken sort of into custody by the local protector, he calls himself. Have you committed one?

And like I hate to keep ringing this bell, but like this has got to be sort of a joke for Odo, right? Like, yeah. Like he, at any point is just going along with this. Very much as a joke, like Odo is able to beam himself up to the runabout and back. In a way that sort of makes it seem like the protector has never heard of a transporter beam.

Yeah. Never encountered this technology before. Yeah, he kind of transports, planes him. Right, but this guy is very interested in this because it says, you know, it turns out like a whole bunch of people have disappeared from this town recently. And if this is the kind of technology you're wielding, you're now my suspects number one and number two. Make some logical sense here if you consider his perspective. It does, but he winds up taking their word for it that they have not been in the system long enough for it to make any sense, because this is a problem that's been going on

for like a year or so. And the last victim vanished six hours ago, and they weren't here for any of that. They just got here like an hour ago. So. They have an alibi. They have an alibi that he does nothing to actually verify.

But he believes him, you know. Do you have any other suspects? You are my only ones. But the concern feels real. This concern of these disappearing people numbers now in the dozens. And the page reark of this camp is rare again. Yeah.

And he's the guy with the great concern. He doesn't want any more people disappearing. He's got young children here. He's got people of all kinds. He's expressing a concern for their leaving, but also, it's unclear as to if he's like an elected leader or anything or just a speaker on their behalf. Like did you have an understanding of like what he was?

I just got the sense that it was a small enough community that like the oldest person around, which he is has some authority over the centuries. He's the guy with the most beads. Yeah, it's not gonna turn a beads. Yeah, and like the fact that there's a mystery of foot really turns out it was crank like he is super interested and wants to get involved like wants to put hit some of his investigative skills into play, you know, one of the missing people is the mother of a girl named Tyah,

who, uh, A-A-A, Clara Sutter. Yeah, from the imaginary friend episode of TNG. It almost seems impossible that this little girl could go an entire episode of Star Trek without saying the name Isabella. I know. Isabella truly the exo comp of the imaginary friends episode. Of TSU.

Yeah. Doesn't it, doesn't even make an appearance here and it really seemed strange. But she does a great little performance, I would say. I thought, I thought she was a totally good actor, both in imaginary friend and in this episode. I don't feel like she has aged at all. Like you know the way children age very fast, like even year to year, they look very different. She looks exactly as she did in an imaginary friend. Yeah. It's, I was taken right back to that.

And I think that's why I kind of, it was a little, almost despite how good her performance is, I was a little distracted just because I was expecting her to be more of the character from, like it's, it's two different characters. That's the thing that's interesting about it. There's not a lot of child actors that have a lot of range. Yeah. But I feel like she does. She's like a very different kind of melancholy

that she has in this episode. Yeah. Gold to cotton. The cotton. Gold to cotton. So. Back on the station, it's day one of the internship that Jake has with Chifo Bryan. One thing that's never expressed here, like Chifo Bryan's game.

He's just game for all this. He's excited to be teaching Jake. But this is an uncomfortable position for a subordinate to be put in by a commanding officer. And that is never expressed. Like when when when Commander Cisco asks you a favor to help out his kid, like you can't say no to that. Bit of an awkward position for J. Vobrana being, but there's some touching moments here. Cisco gives Jake his first communicator badge.

Thanks dad. It's standard equipment for all station personnel. It's a big moment in anyone's life. Yeah, I mean, I feel like kids are getting cell phones pretty young these days, but Jake is 15 or 16 getting his first communicator badge. He's also getting his first Nucleus 1z. That's a big moment in anyone's life too. Yeah, that necklace onesie moment.

I wonder if there is any sentimental value connoted to the communicator badge in the way that like what happened to Jennifer Sisko's communicator badge. And like, is that in a desk drawer somewhere in Ben's office? Like, does Ben have plans to give that to Jake? With that, is the communicator a thing that people share and cherish? When Tasha Yard died, I don't think they held onto that one, did they? Is there a 12 month upgrade cycle where it's like, you constantly feel like you have a shitty communicator badge because they put out the new one and it has like you know unlock with your face technology or whatever. You constantly have to charge it.

I want to know this stuff. Basically if I'm inside the thing is charging. Oh Brian's on the loose. No, he's not. He's just taken a shower. Also happening on the station is the arrival of Vedic Baraiil, who is there to speak at a conference taking place on the station, but makes it no surprise that he's truly there to secure. I've found it interesting the pacing of this episode because, I mean, we're like 15-ish minutes in at this point.

The arrival of Vedic Bariol is like, it's going to be a major plot point in any episode that it happens in. Because he's a big deal. He's a powerful political, you know, he's political and religious power, but also is a love interest of Major Kira. It's weird to see him with his shirt on. It really comes in just kind of from left field at this point in the episode. And I liked that about it because it coming in from left field was sort of intentional.

It feels like a lot of story plates to spin, especially in the time that they are introduced. Like to be introducing a third story at this moment in time seemed pretty ambitious. Well, it feels like they're introducing a fourth story. And I think that's why it feels like that is, it's like, wait, is Kira haranging quirk this episode or is she banging beryl? Yeah, and the truth of that is only revealed at the end. It's a real haranging or banging conundrum. Are haranga bangs apes or monkeys?

Yeah, well, have to check and see if they have a tail. If I were a monkey, I'd be a herringabang. Yeah. It's nice to see you aspiring to something greater than what you've already achieved at. Anything is better than podcaster? Yeah, do you do you introduce yourself as podcaster? Is that what your stated career is at this point? I think it has made the case for itself in a way I can no longer deny. Yeah.

And it's purely from a how do I spend my time aspect? Like I mean, admittedly you spend most of your time like going back and forth to a acupuncture treatments, but like when you, when you can squeeze it in, it's like either filmmaking or podcasting. Son of a bitch. Yeah, yeah, from time to time, I will dabble in the pod. I mean, I guess, I mean, not professionally

because I'm not getting paid for it, but like my main thing is getting acupuncture. And then sometimes I do some other stuff. I had my acupuncture person stick things in my ears that then, she then left there for a couple of days, like they're little, they they're tiny bandids, like tiny square shaped bandids. Whoa. In my ears.

I'm getting this treatment been because I've been like clenching my jaw really bad at night and it's been getting worse. But the stuff really does do the trick for me. So that's why I keep going as often as possible. Well, I don't want you to cleanse your job badly. do the trick for me. So that's why I keep going. It's often disposable. Well, I don't want you to cleanse your job badly. I can relate to that certainly in these stressful times. Yeah, well, thanks for your concern, Ben. What is the thing in the

ear even do? Well, how does that work? Well, I mean, you'll frequently see a chart on the wall. Don't make me out to be an asshole. I'm fucking, I'm fucking sympathizing with you here. God dammit. What is that even meant to imply that I don't care about your well-being, fuck you? Of course I do. You're one of my best friends.

You just made fun of the frequency and quantity of medical treatment I've been getting. Just always seems like. You just made fun of the of the frequency and quantity of Medical treatment I've been getting Just always seems like you don't expect me to be defensive about that I just it just always seems like we have to schedule around it all I'm saying All right, well, I'll try to I'll try to go without it and see what happens Whenever you want, Ben. I'm a real monster. When Vedic Barrel and Kira are together in the same scene, there are some fireworks

been. It's undeniable. The guy who plays Vedic Barrel, Phyllic Anglim, it's not his fault that he is not as charismatic as Nena Visitor. I mean, I think he's kind of playing non-carismatic. He plays a subdued and kind of playing non-carrage magic. He plays a subdued and kind of tranquil dude in this character. Yeah, that's fair. But I mean, I think whenever you're sharing a scene with Nanavizator, like she has a thousand different micro expressions going off at once, That cannot help but just subsume anyone that she's in a scene with. Yeah, it's fun though. It's cool to see her crushing too. She's crushing. She doesn't want to kind of break the etiquette of their official relationship. And he is not tethered to that feeling of needing to stay within

propriety. He admits to her that he's kind of crushing too. And it's really fun to see them pal around together with that stated explicitly. Actually, I was hoping you'd be happy to see me. Oh, I was hoping you'd be happy to see me. Oh, I am. Your calling of attention to that impropriety is important. It takes the shape of something else, too, because at this conference, part of what happens there is Vedic Beryl's comments are counter to the going opinions on the subject. And this is something that Kira is, is willing

to argue with him about. I think this is important character building for Vedic Bariahl in that it makes the case that he is not a hard line person. It makes the case that he is not a celibate religious figure like that he's willing to, uh, to be different in how religious figures are typically portrayed on the show. Like he's, he's willing to be different in how Ridley just figures are typically portrayed on the show. Like he's willing to be strange and do things unexpected. I really like that about him. I like that he is not interested in the kind of dogmatic view of the pejoran religion in a way that Vedic win very emphatically is.

And it's an opportunistic dogmatism. But in a modern context, he would be like the preacher in jeans with the goatee and like a rock band. The affliction t-shirt. Yeah. And that's like, you hope he's not one of those, but like in attitude like he's willing to go his own way. Right. Well, back on Planet Omicron particle, the Odo investigation is really popping off. Dax has gotten nowhere with

her tricorder and has switched over to using a local tricorder, which is not confounded by the Omicron field. And she's trying to find if there's evidence of people beaming out or whatever, but there's no such evidence. We've got, you know, Odo, he talks to Clara about when her mom, who's the last person to disappear, disappeared and like whether she was happy or sad or whatever.

There's some fun character building with Odo in this scene because she doesn't even believe in shape shifters and he insists that he is one. And they talk about like what it would be like to be a shape shifter and the idea of being like a party trick shape shifter comes up. And it reveals some kind of some hurt in Odo, the fact that he had entertained people who asked him to change into the shape of something else

frequently in the past and found that he felt used and like he wasn't developing real friendships with people because of it and hence his hesitation to just do it to make a point. I wish it were that easy. Yeah, it's a strange form of popularity that he is describing. People want to be with him, but they want to be with him on their terms instead of his. Right. And he also kind of puts the screws to Rurigan, who is very insistent that the people who have disappeared are gone forever and will never be found, but also insistent that, you know, he, like he doesn't that he won't reveal why he knows that or defend that position at all.

That's just his position, man. Yeah, the idea of everything in the valley, so why would they want to leave anyway? There's no way that these lost people have left the valley. Everything they need is right there. Then that's got to be something that you've heard from living in LA for a while, right? Once you're in the valley, you never leave. That's true.

Yeah, you just try and you try and stay out of the, uh, the gravitational singularity that is the valley. So we kind of bounce back and forth between the station and what's happening on the planet surface. The stuff with Jake is fairly low stakes. It's basically just a reminder that something is going on between Jake and O'Brien as we go. He's struggling to grasp the finer concepts of what O'Brien's life is like, specifically having to do with work. Boy, I felt like everything was so low stakes in this

episode. And in a way that like, I like a good low stakes Star Trek episode. Yeah. I will defend a nice, a nice TNG episode where it basically doesn't even matter at all. Yeah, that's one of the best things that show ever did. This one, it feels like it's trying to set up stakes and failing. And I think that the big misstep is that in the A storyline, these people are disappearing and we have never met any of them. We have no emotional attachment to any of them. We just kind of have to take the show's word for it that we have to like feel bad that

they're gone and connect with Odo's desire to find them. It is so random and out of left field. It doesn't feel like anything, you know? Yeah, I mean, it really loves that. Like you take one look at all these fucking beads hanging out of everybody's hat And you're like we're never gonna see these aliens again. This is not a really alien It's yeah like the beads foreshadow the ending for sure It really loads up the tie a character to carry the burden of interest though

Like because she's grieving for her last mom That's that's what we're given to hold onto as a reason for caring. And unfortunately, it doesn't matter how good of a portrayal the tie a character is. If we don't know anyone who's disappeared, then we can't really feel her grief. Yeah, I mean, and I think that this actress does as much with that grief as could be done. She does a great job. It's a fundamental

story flaw. I think that the inciting incident should not have been Dax and Odo thinking that they're arrested. It should have been someone else. But she takes them to the edge of town, like the edge of the valley, the furthest place that she's ever been from, where she lives, which is a scraggly dead tree. She says she likes to play around. And Dax and Oto, like, keep walking and Dax's local tricorder disappears right out of her hand in a very bad CGI tracking shot. Yeah, and Taya not far behind them, pick some berries and bring them to them and totally

Polaroid from back to the futures them in trying to hand them over. I kind of wish they had cited the Moriarty stuff from TNG because this reveals to Dax and Odo and everybody that this is a village of hologram people who didn't realize they were hologram people. But unlike less sophisticated, holadette characters, they can wrap their minds around that

and are satisfied when proof is presented to them. You know? Yeah. It's like the big goodbye gangsters stepping into the hallway and disappearing. I can't do this to me. I don't know who I am. I'm Cyrus Redblast.

Like don't know what's going on, but these people do. Like, oh, people are disappearing. They find out their holograms and still no sense of urgency seems to develop here. Yeah. Morning. Morning.

Sweet. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. Have a time. Back on the station, Kira and Vetic Beryl have been playing some sports against each other.

And they're cleaning up a post sports dinner and they start to have a pretty hot make-out sash. Yeah, it's on. It's on. All of this tension that we've banked up until now turns into a smooch, a talking smooch at that. Let's make out, but let's not let exposition fall by the wayside. We've got to get some exposition out.

We only have 42 minutes of episode. And who do they want to talk about but Prylar Ritt? The Ritt. It's going to be returning to Bezier. Yeah, this is a real end of usual suspects moment for Kira, because she realizes now that as good as it feels to be making out with Vedic Bariol, Beryl. It has been a manipulation of her in order to get her off of the scent of the quark bit of criminality that was teased in the cold open. Right. Quark's cousin turns out as stolen stuff from a Kardashian museum and is attempting to sell it via quark here on the station. And what she realizes is that Vedic Brails presence has been engineered entirely to give her something better to pay attention to. Pretty shrewd move by quark. How is impressed? Yeah, that's some three-dimensional chess. The guy's good. The guy is good.

He's got the lobes for it. That is taking place, and we also get kind of a bombshell reveal from Jake Sisco in a hang with Chifo Brian. He reveals to O'Brien that Starfleet is not really what he aspires to be doing in the future. Yeah, kind of a Wesley-type reluctance about joining Starfleet. And- Wesley, like at least at the beginning, wanted to. But in a similar fashion is feeling encouraged in a way that feels out of their control. And that's that I think is part of why he's why he wants to reject it. The thing that I wish they did with Jake's character is a thing that I had hoped they had done from the start which

was make the death of his mother a a major chip on his shoulder. Yeah. I think his reluctance to join Starfleet gets a little more interesting if he blames Starfleet for the death of his mom and the and the aloneness of his father. But as it is, it's never portrayed as that. It's just a conflict of ambition or skill because unlike Wesley Crusher, Jake is not the smartest kid on the station and is struggling in school. He's struggling with some engineering concepts that Wesley never would. I mean, I feel like Jake is book smart and that trade smart. Right.

But book smart can lead to trade smart. Like he's actually engaged in what he's doing with the chief in a way that he knows that this isn't his passion, but he's actually working on it. Yeah. Which I think is a good experience for a first job. That's definitely something that I went through was like, oh, I'm not passionate about working in a museum, but getting good at this is worth doing just for its own sake.

I mean, this is something that's expressed by O'Brien here too, and that, you know, his parents groomed him to be a musician. Wasn't something that he felt fulfillment from. And so he took a left and went in the starfleet, like these are. He's going to go to the Aldebrin music academy, which is one of the best. The only other thing we know about Aldebrin is Aldebrin whiskey. So I feel like that would have been great for Chief O'Brien. Yeah.

Hey, it'd probably be dead by now. He'd be around all that whiskey. Be great. He loved it. So back on the surface of the planet, the deal with the Omicron particular is that it's on the fritz and they don't not today Omicron. They bang it with a wrench and it's pretty clear that it's range is being reduced in such a way that what they recommend is what most engineers recommend is that they want to unplug it and then plug it back in to

reset the machine. And they make it pretty clear that they aren't sure what's going to happen if they do. The villagers are being, have been told that they are holograms and that they should hope for the best. I love this scene where the sheriff character comes out to ask about this because it kind of reveals like, like he seems like a simpleton at the beginning, like he interrogates them with his gun drawn on them

in his office, he's like standing there with a pistol pointed at them and they're just like sitting peacefully in their seats and I just got such a big laugh out of him coming out and going, Odo says, you know what happened to the missing villagers. Odo says, you know what happened to the missing villagers. He's such a fucking rube. Yeah, this guy, this guy is a total Dorcas.

They get everybody convinced. They're like, all right, everybody, gather around. All of you don't really exist. You're just holograms. That's fine with us. We're not judging or anything. We're going to flip the switch and turn this thing back on and see if that can't bring back all the villagers that have disappeared.

It takes a little convincing, you know, they've got the protector guy convinced, but you know, Rurigan needs a little bit more talking into it. And it winds up being teah, the toxin into it. But when Odoin Dax turn this thing off, everybody but Rurigan disappears. Yeah, they do a nice little dolly reveal of of rare again behind the particular where it becomes clear that that he was the only real one there. He his planet was attacked by the dominion and all of his people were wiped out so he set up shop with his hollow generator and went full-barcly bin. Yeah, he's kind of like the world's worst Kevin.

Many people have tried and failed to do what I did. Where Rurigan went wrong was he did not just make one partner for himself but an entire village. The ruse was sure to wear thin eventually. You see by by making one partner for myself I'm just a little creepy but in making an entire town for him to fuck Rarigan really took things to the next level. It's something I could never do. Take it from somebody with a lot of experience with this rarigan. If you're gonna design an entire town full of characters for yourself

to fuck, don't make them all wear beads. The computer is gonna have a hell of a time rendering that plausibly. It's really just gonna eat up a lot of presses or cycles that you could use for extra villagers to fuck or extra Beds to fuck them in or whatever No judgment by a daxerodo either It's no wonder the tea in your village is so terrible, Rurgan My tea gets top remarks on Yelp as does my house. I like the little Santa Fe, New Mexico kind of vibe you've gone for. I personally went with more of a Malibu type environment, but Santa Fe is beautiful and no judgements there. I mean maybe a little bit

tacky with all the stucco and everything but you know, two each is own, two each is own. I don't know anyone who's not a fan of the Spanish-style roof and patio, especially in a hunter environment. It's very pleasant. In an erud climate, it's really quite stunning. I don't want it to seem like I care about material things. All I want is four walls and Adobe slats for Roshan. Just four walls and three holes. That's all a simple man like me requires. Four walls, three holes and a cup of great tea.

Hahaha. Roshan baby, you're off the hook. So what happens here is really good, gives them a pretty, a pretty sad story. He lived on a planet that got taken over by the dominion and nothing was ever the same. And he was aware of the fact that he could never go back to what he had before the dominion came. And so he left and went to an uninhabited planet and made a holographic village playset for himself.

I kind of feel like Rarig and left a family behind and made a new start in a creepy way. Yeah, so much of his story goes unchecked here. Yeah. A little bit of a creepy move, but it is revealed in this scene that he did have like truly, like a real emotional connection to these characters, you know? Like he,

Yeah, the moment you question his story, the script pivots into a Star Trek conversation about what life is and the nature of reality and love, like in an instant, we're already there. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, in an interesting way, right? Like the fact that he formed an emotional bond with them is real to him, you know? Yeah. He's got the kind of two layers of how he thinks about these people. Like at the top is like, yeah, like they seem to be real and they seem to have hopes and

dreams and they seem to have relationships with me and I with them, but they're fake. But then like just below that is I love them and feel protective of them and you know, like the reason he's turning his back on them is that the spell has been broken briefly. But what Dax and Odo make the case for is like, hey man, like the feelings you have are real. Like let's not dishonor those people by acting like those feelings aren't real. Like let's turn this thing back on if they come back. Like why leave?

Why turn your back on them? You know hearing you describe it that way, maybe just think about how in all three stories, there's sort of that duality at work. There's what you present to the world versus what you truly feel. There's rare against presentation of his holographic town and the feelings that he says he has versus the ones he truly has, there's Jake's reluctance to be team starfleet fully, even though to an outward observer, he seems like he would be the perfect fit. And then there's Kira's relationship to Baryle, which has been pretty close to the surface the entire time, but in this episode is able to be something seen

and experienced by the both of them, instead of being kept in secret. That's an interesting point. I mean, I feel like this is a little bit of a week episode for the stated reasons about the lack of emotional connection we formed with this town. Yeah. But you saying that makes me realize that they were going

for something kind of big. They were shooting for the stars on this one. Right. And that's it. They also get great performances. Like the guy that plays Rare again is like really tortured by the feelings he has. It's a great Odo episode because the appeal that he makes to Rare again, like he stirs it out of him.

Yeah. Rare again is resistant until Odo really starts, he starts interrogating him the way he would assess back. He interrogates him about his true feelings. And that's an interesting scene. You know, Odo's stated reason for being on this mission is that he's like looking in the gamma quadrant for any evidence he can about his people. And that comes from a real like motivated place, that interrogation when he says,

you know, like don't turn your back on your own people even like no matter what, like the stated realness of them is because at least you have them. Yeah. It's a people long and chill for that which longer nurse has a busy So they flip the switch the holographic town and its people come back And and the plan appears to be a success everyone's reunited and happy At least on the on the planet surface. Yeah, and back on the station Kira catches quirk and says like hey, I know you sent Pettac-Brile up here to bang me. That was great. I enjoyed banging him.

But don't think that you got that past me because we did catch your no good cousin with the stolen goods from the Cardassia Museum. So turns out I got both things. Bang, bang. And Jake comes clean to his dad. I don't want to join Starfleet. And Cisco to his credit is really cool about it. It's not, it's not as judgmental, you know, overbearing father thing. It's not a Beverly and Picard are horrified type moment. Beverly and Picard are horrified type moment. But I mean, to Jake's, I mean, in Jake's defense, he did not covert starburst someone to death,

the academy, like. Jake's strategy for getting out of being in Starfleet wasn't to be a bad student who was involved in covering up an improper death. Right. Ah. Ah. and covering up an improper death. Right. There's something that Danielle Radford said on the greatest discovery really hit me in this scene, which is that Cisco is like a very perfect character.

He really doesn't have any frailties, you know. And this, I mean, like, honestly, like, that is one thing I like about Star Trek is like depicting characters that aren't haunted and aren't, you know, fighting, fighting demons all the time. And it's something I like about Cisco. It's something I like about Picard too. But like, it is amazing to think about a father who does not pass judgment on the hopes and aspirations of their child, just kind of has like positive, affirmative things to say to that moment. I think that's, there's not a lot of TV shows that take a conversation between father and son in this direction.

You know, it's not about how dysfunctional they are. It's not about a conflict they're having. It's about Jake telling his father something that he's not sure his father is ready to hear and his father being really cool about it. There's such a difference between how you get it in this episode and how, I mean, you and I are roughly the same age, but, but how you'd see this moment depicted on a TGIF 30-minute sitcom that wraps up in a tidy way in the end when, you know, the, the music swells and the father and son embrace. Are you all right? Are you okay, Danny?

It's okay, Dad. I'm okay. Really? I you okay Danny? It's okay, dad. I'm okay. Really? I'm okay. As unreal as the idea of a perfect father is, this show manages to make the case that it's, that it's, if it's not aspirational at least, then it is possible. Right. And it's not a sock puppet like Carl Winslow or Danny Tanner. It's like a real like Carl Winslow or Danny Tanner. It's like a real three-dimensional character. Yeah, and that is unique to this show.

I can't- Which is not the insult those characters, like they're appropriate for their shows. It's just- I think everyone involved would be fine with making fun of Danny Tanner. Yeah, but I mean, Reginald Veltjanson's pretty awesome. No doubt.

Did you like the episode, Ben? Mm. I feel like it's an episode that I don't feel super strongly either way about. I mean, I feel like in talking about it with you, I've realized some things that I like about it. More things than I realized that I like about it. But yeah, I don't think it's gonna stick with me.

How about you? It is, I feel like it's the most story dense episode we've had in a long time and for its density so little happens that it really makes it unique, not in a great way though. I think I'm with you on it. I didn't particularly like the episode. I liked some of the scenes in it. I think I think here is a 10 out of 10 in the scenes that she gets when she hauls off on quark and then get some make-outs with Vedic Barale. I think those are good moments for her, but everything else is a little too forgettable.

Like I know, you know, I bet when you're pitching this story and you're reading the script, you're thinking, oh, this is a great Odo episode. This is going to be about Odo really coming to grips with, you know, the nature of love and relationships in a way that like could unlock him going forward. But I just don't get the sense that he is a changed man as a result in a way that could make a real difference in whether or not this is an important or good episode in the greater DS9 universe. Like, if Tyia changed him, like, here's the thing, like because Oda worked so hard to convince Rarigan that Tyia was worthy of his love

or that all the townspeople were worthy of loving, just even though they were holograms, like he did know inward work there. And I think if he had, it would have been important in a way that makes episodes good. Right. I mean, I think that that's sort of what they're trying to show in that last scene where he turns himself into a top. Right. That's just that he's like loosening up a little bit or connecting connecting with her anyways.

But that felt more selfless and nice instead of him unlocking an inner truth about himself. Right, and it doesn't seem like he's going to go back to the station and be turning himself into tops left and right. That just becomes this thing. Hey guys, I'm going to spin again. Anybody want to watch? No.

Why not? I can never go have drinks with Odo. He's constantly spilling them all over the bar with his constant top turning. It's a real drag. That double wheel has nothing on me. Get a load of this. Not come on, Odo. Not again. Been the one thing we get again, and again, and again.

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him my Shimoda label. When they demonstrate the power of the Omicron particular, they take off his cloak and disappear it in front of him. Yeah. And like, and like a fucking dummy, he's like, those is my favorite cloak. And that says you know what happened to the missing villagers. Yeah, like all of his line reads are just,

D-U-M-Dum. And that one in particular really struck me as great. Like, just a great fun performance in the way, and the most Shimoda of ways, I would say. Yeah, fun performance. My Shimoda is DAX. DAX is a starfleet and she is deeply steeped in starfleet stuff because her previous host was a starfleet diplomat.

She's really down for the cause. And yet, he hesitates not at all about just telling everybody, hey, guess what, you're just a computer simulation. Like, there is no sense of wonder. Like, oh, like we've discovered a computer simulation of people that totally believe they're real. You know, like, Morty already emerging from the holodeck was like a really show-stopping situation in TNG.

And DAX remarks on it not at all, but also I'm not really sure how the prime directive factors into this, but it does just tell everybody like, hey, so great news everybody. We figured out where the disappearing people went. They're all in a computer simulation and they were holograms and the computer just stopped Representing them. So that's where they went Like there's no attempt to like help people help people confront the like earth shattering nature of their What who and what they are, you know, I will show you that Rarigan is right on the line legally

Whether or not he's recreated real people as these holograms You might want to experiment with a latex rubber product as I have a friend that is quite plausible as human flesh It's got the right sync and bounce as they say. I have nothing, I'm sorry. Well Ben, what do we have coming up on our very next episode? Our next episode, season two episode 17, playing God while hosting her first Trill initiate. Dex discovers a tiny developing universe which threatens to destroy the station as it expands. And what says Netflix? Well it's funny you should ask

Adam because the way Netflix describes it is Arjun a trilleditio trying to qualify for joining with a symbiont is nervous that he must study under daxe. Oh that's uh that's a position that Pissier wants to find himself in. Sounds like fun. I want to know more about how how Trill Life works. Yeah. It's been a while since we've had a good DAX app. So, looking forward to it. Kind of a forgettable DAX season really. Season two. Yeah. I guess there was the the implantation at phaser point. That was season two, right? Was that season two? Yeah, I think so. But, but feels like a long time ago. It does indeed? Yeah, I think so. But feels like a long time ago.

It does indeed. Yeah, I guess that was like episode four of season two. Hmm. Well, you want to see if we're going to do that episode in any particular way? I do. We're on square 51 with a Quarx bar square, just three squares away then.

You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Oh my goodness, Adam. You want me to roll some bones? You learn as you play, Ben. I rolled a four, Adam. Tula! Did I win? Harvey. Oh, that takes us to square 55. So we are right in between. In between a quark's bar and a looking at each other during. The most expensive square on the board. Wow, yeah. I'm pretty nervous about that.

TPH, we got a lot of travel and stuff coming up for touring. Well, travel coming up for touring could make it something that we could just grab during some touring? Yeah, I could see that. It could end up working out great, you're right. It could. This is in no way going to be a disaster. You've always been the positive one, Ben.

I'm so terrified of negative situations that I just got to look at everything on the bright side try and trick myself into believing that that's true. How's that working out for you? How dare you. Well, Ben, we've got to you. Thank the friends of DeSoto, who support makes the show possible. You can support the show yourself by going to Maximumfund.org slash Donate. Get yourself plugged into our many special donors-only programs.

Got a bunch of live tour episodes. We've got some movie episodes that we've done on the tail end of the Max Fund drives that we've been involved in. Really good stuff on ranting to it all the time. We've heard a lot of really great things about our Hunford Redactober episode and really appreciate all the kind tweets and Facebook messages and stuff. It's not a surprise because that episode's great. Yeah, you sent us a tweet about how you enjoyed the Hunford Red October episode.

We know you are a supporter and we will thank you directly. We should also thank Adam Ragusia, who not only made the music for that Hunford Red October episode, but also for our Crimson Tired episode. And all of the, all of the like Cisco version of the Picard song music that you hear on great, greatest generation Deep Space 9 apps. We should also thank Dark Materia who made the original Picard song, which is our original theme song. Music so important to our show, Ben. Indeed. If you'd like to chat about any of this stuff online, use the hashtag greatestgen.

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There's all kinds of new social networks. Twitch is a thing where you watch social networks. Yeah. Maybe people are doing that. Who knows? With that, we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 in another episode of the greatest generation that's got a little space poopy on the nacill. Maximumfund.org Comedy and culture, artist owned

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