The Greatest Generation - A Real Meet Scary (S1E2)

Episode Date: October 23, 2017

When Bashir makes friends with a man who is obviously a spy, the subterfuge, like the tailoring, goes way over his head. But when 90’s hair Bajorans start importing suspicious cargo, the crew will have to take risks far greater than hiding in a changing booth after store hours. Who’s your hall pass from the cast? Has DS9 overcompensated for the potted plant issue? What are Lursa and B’etor hiding with their boobs? It’s the episode where we really strain the portmanteau.

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Adam I am sitting in a very hot room in the Echo Park neighborhood of Los Angeles, California. These are the waning days of my interreganum between having an apartment and I am really excited to have climate control back in my life. Wow. Wow. Wow. You guys do Airbnb with working air conditioning as an unchecked button in your search. This one has air conditioning in the bedroom, but there's nowhere to sit and set up a computer

in the bedroom. Right. Yeah, they've all had AC, but this one is just particularly toasty in the parts that aren't the bedroom. When are you going to be doing pod from the brand new bad character studios? That will be not next episode with the episode after. And I think the first thing I will record in there, ideally, will be our super secret new project.

Right. More dark episodes. How are you doing, buddy? Uh, I'm doing great. Ben, I, it's, it's the morning after I went to go see friends of the pod, the doe boys last night in Seattle. Those guys are very funny and delightful. Oh my god, they are so fucking funny. I was laughing my ass off.

Makes me jealous how funny they are. I felt the same way seeing them do their show live so soon after we came off of our tour. Like, it's just fucking guys and mics and no audio visual accompaniment at all. It was just wall to wall laughs, just a great show. If they are touring near you, highest recommendation to go see the doboys. I think right. I felt the same way and then a few people whose opinion I really value told me that they thought we were really on to something with our live show.

That's good to hear. I was out to drinks with Jordan and Jesse of Jordan and Jesse go and Dan Kennedy the other night and Dan Kennedy made a point of saying that our live show was really amazing and hilarious to him and he's never really watched Star Trek or listen to our show before. That's huge. Dan Kennedy's a god in my country. Yeah, Dan Kennedy's one of the greatest to ever do it. He's the host of the Moth Podcast, another great show. Look at you relocating to LA and doing power launches,

slash power drinks with Jordan, Jesse, and Dan Kennedy. That's great, right? That's a soft landing for you over there. One other thing I thought was real funny about this Doe Boy show, Ben, was that this was night two of a three night tour that they're doing and they were feeling rugged like and I was like oh my god guys it's only night two like what is this amateur hour look I mean you and I got

into some some competitive eating on our tour that had some ramifications. And by competitive eating, I mean, you competitively eating at me. And an attempt to draw me into some sort of eating war that I was unwilling to participate in. But they do it professionally, man. And you saw the tanks and planes of my consuming four pounds of nachos arrayed on the battlefield and you packed up your sword and shield and ran for the hills. I wanted peace at that.

I wanted peace when I saw the entire sheet pan full of nachos that you took down in like 20 minutes. Yeah. Only Ben could go to nachos sheet pan. like 20 minutes. Um, yeah. Only Ben could go to Nacho's sheet pin. Those guys have a lot more stage time than us in their history, both having been, you know, in the birthday boys and being, you know, just regular denizens of UCB stages. Yeah. Near and far. There's something to be said about natural comfort on stage, and that is them.

Yeah, but by the same token, their show is a far more self-destructive enterprise than ours. Lordy, I really don't envy them that. Not at all. I salute them, but I do not envy them. Well Adam, do you want to get into... This is actually... We should probably address this a little bit. And we're recording this before our Emissary episode goes out. So I'm sure we will have

received numerous Facebook and tweets and Reddit notes about how we have the order wrong. Mm-hmm, but The episode we're here to talk about today is past prologue which was filmed second which was filmed third but aired second and so I think some streaming platforms have them in And so I think some streaming platforms have them in filming order and some streaming platforms have the episodes in air date order. Which is a thing that can be confusing because I know I watch the show on Netflix and on Netflix at least the order has a man alone before. Past prologue but for the purposes of the greatest generation program, we will be proceeding from airing order, which has past prologue coming first. Right, let's do it Ben. It's season one, episode two, past prologue.

First, you keep up every stoppiece, officer, take to the truth, find the truth, or a historical truth, or a past, or a past. Ben, this episode sort of opens on an awkward first date between Dr. Bashir and a man we will come to know as Garrick. A Kardashian by birth, obviously. The lone Kardashian denison of the station. It's a real meat scary.

Yeah, Garrick deploys a sort of hostile politeness that seems really familiar to me like I don't know if you know anyone like this Ben whose politeness is Is so off-putting and threatening yes, but but this immediately makes Garrick Into a threat for Bashir and Bashir is super nervous about him. Yeah, the politeness feels loaded. Yeah.

And, yeah, you can hear Bashir dropping nuts and bolts in his chair. There seems to be a sort of rainforest cafe setting where everyone takes their meals. We got him trapped in rainforest cafe. And the promenade too. Like, it's a... They're really trying to in rain forest cafe. And the promenade too. Like it's a, they're really trying to shine up this dump. And not sure it's working. No one wants to take their lunch at their desk to save time at this point. That's for sure. It's sort of the crunchy coffee shops that opens in a neighborhood that's getting gentrified, but that doesn't last

10 years into the gentrification. Sure. You know, it's like this is a transitional white people restaurant, but not the final resting state of rich white assholes taking over in neighborhood. I mean, Garek will develop into a foundational character on the show. At this point, Bashir's paranoia is totally founded, but also like this just might be the way Garrick is. And there might not be any hostility meant at this point,

but we're very much seeing this through Bashir's terrified eyes. Back on the bridge of the station, we see that Kira has had a little bit of a haircut. After having a data hair, she's got season three data hair in episode three of the show. Yeah. Little high in tight. I'm in tight. And I think that Nana Visitor actually suggested this. She's of the opinion that Kira was so kind of eye on the prize as a character that she probably wouldn't be doing an involved hairdo

every time. And I think that's like a really insightful thing for an actor to choose. And I think there is so much pressure on women in Hollywood to be extremely pretty in a very conventional way. And I think it's a very like cool and bold choice that she made with that. I was surprised that they allowed her the latitude to make that kind of character decision in how she looked. And by surprise, I mean like pleasantly surprised, I think it's great

that they would allow her to bring that up and actually take it for action. It's sort of amazing that the executive producer didn't want to take more advantage of what a pretty lady she is. You know, speaking of that, my wife had an observation about the show because we've been watching this together so far in that this is a show filled with good looking actors. Much more so than Star Trek the next generation was her observation. Much right, totally believe that, but so far. At, I mean, look, I suppose your feelings on that depend largely on if you think Kalamini is an attractive man. Ben, I have to say, I think I do. He's a good-looking dude.

He's very fuckable. But if you don't think Kalamini is good-looking, then I think you would probably disagree with my wife's opinion. Does your wife have a crush on Kalamini? I think that's actually what she said. And that's what she said without saying it, Ben. Jesus. You don't look anything like Kalimini.

I know. Kalimini's the guy she told me not to worry about. Kalimini, your wife's hall pass? You know what? What a cool fucking hall pass that is. Like, talk about unconventional. Yeah. What are all these curly hairs doing around the house? Are these pubes or what's going on?

Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. Do you realize how incredible this is? Ahahahah! Oh no! Oh no! No, of course you don't. They rescue this uh, this guy, Tana Loose, from a... ...bejure in ship that's under attack by a Cardassian. Yeah, it's chasing the ship towards the station. And it's like, it's one of those like, make a break for the border things, where if the majority of the ship can get across

the border into Mexico, then the Cardassians won't have any jurisdiction to continue the chase. Right. And so, they get this guy aboard, and immediately the Cardassians are like, you gotta give us that guy, he's bad news, bears, he's a criminal, and we've got to charge him with some crimes.

This guy asks for asylum right away. He's like, look, when these guys are chasing me, I want your asylum so I can be safe. This puts Cisco in a little bit of a pickle. Yeah, because the piece is still very fresh and new. I mean, we know from season seven that the armistice and peace treaty between the Federation and the Cardassians is still fragile more than a year after these events take place. So, you know, pissing off the guys with the worships parked on your border is probably not the easiest choice for Cisco to have to make.

Right. So, Tonalos is a part of this bejorin splinter group that is sort of painted as a terrorist organization. It's sort of Hezbollah for blonde guys with super 90s haircuts. super 90s haircuts. Blezbola? What is that? Blonde Hezbola? Oh, that is a strained portmanteau if ever there was one, Adam. All of my portmanteaus are strained. And...

Oh, I had that looked at. toes are strained. And this guy has a little bit of a history with Kira. They are acting very familiar right away. Yeah. He recognizes her when he pops up on the transporter pad and she's got some feelings. Man. The whole relationship with Kira and Sisko from the first, from the premiere episode has continued to now. Kira is popping off all the time. You're not seriously considering handing Tana over to the Cardassian. She is still undermining Sisko at every turn. And this is a real problem especially in this episode because she isn inserting herself into this conflict because this guy and her are buds and

The question I have for you at this point Ben is Is the show's depiction of women up to this point better or worse than it was in Star Trek the Next Generation. Star Trek the Next Generation famously treated its women characters as potted plants and background characters, but Kira so far is pegging the needle in the other direction in terms of like recklessness and loudness and like undermining a sort of command structure. Is that better or worse? I'd say it would be pretty hard to be worse. Yeah. I think that's an interesting take, which I hadn't really considered, that like going so hard in the opposite direction has made her into like

an irrational nag, which is not necessarily a flattering thing either. But I feel like both Kira and Dax have like three dimensions to their characters already, and that's already got this show off to a better start. Sure. I tell you what I really didn't like with Cisco putting his hands on her, on the promenade, what the fuck Cisco? What did he do? He like grabbed her by the arm and flung her around and he's like, don't you fucking tell me what to do with this ton of low-sky Like like fall in line and follow me or whatever like oh man. Yeah, it was a little disturbing

I missed that part. Yeah, I must have been looking at my phone sure. What are we doing here? So the main conflict of the of the episode is like what to do about this guy This guy has promised that he's not gonna blow shit up anymore. He's not gonna be a terrorist He wants the asylum and he also has some evidence of like having been very badly Picard it up by the cardacians. I mean, he's got real, gnarly injuries all over himself that are consistent with a gulmaset treatment.

They sort of give him that Rambo from first blood in the jail treatment. Like they take out a shirt and they're like, holy shit. Yeah, they're hitting him with the hose from across the room. David Caruso's like throwing up in the corner. They're all doomed, Adam. They're all doomed. You got ton of lows on deep space.

Nine, you better just remember one thing. A good supply of body bags. His relationship with the major is not really one of old friends like they They definitely encountered each other and like the commander even asks Kira if she was ever a part of the Kona and she's like no, I was a freedom fighter But I was never that extreme. If I had been, I would not be working with the provisional government now. It's very clear that they were more similar in their goals than not back in the battle days,

but Tana's really working the major, definitely playing her psychologically. Yeah, for such a strong character up to this point, Kira is especially subject to his manipulations. In a way I found fairly disappointing, you know? Like she is so headstrong and powerful as a character that, like, this fucking blow-dry job, like for him to be the one to get one up on her, was sort of, sort of sad to me. Yeah well it's a it's an interesting tweak to the character that she's got this kind of soft spot. Yeah. So Tana has sort of attracted the attention of Gerek of all people.

And during another Gerek Bishir interaction over lunch, he's like, you know, this Tana guy, not really that great of a dude, probably. I mean, I'm just guessing here, you know, what am I? I'm just a clothier, just a simple tailor, just talking to my new doctor buddy. Is this a direct John Likare thing? Oh, I don't know. He always has the tailors and spies in his books. Oh, I don't know. I'm unfamiliar. I mean, I haven't read any of it, but I know, you know, like the tailor of Panama and Tinker Taylor, so it'll soldier spy and all that is like,

I don't know, I wish I knew more about it so I could understand whether that was an intentional thing. Is that a no? So at this point in the episode, we start to realize that Garrick is sort of an intelligence asset for the station that Odo isn't even at this point. Like Lurson Batour show up, and Garrick's got like the angle on all of it. Like he sees them. He lays back in the cut and he sees them talking and then he sees Tana talk to other

blonde Hezbollah people and it's like putting the pieces together and he's sort of like telling but not telling Bishir what he thinks is happening and Bishir is just so fucking dumb. He's he is so dumb in this episode like willfully stupid and scared because every time he talks to Garek, he goes right back up to the bridge and talks to Cisco and he's like I need some guidance Yes doctor commander this Garek guy is creeping me out. He's telling me I need to get a new wardrobe I need to show up at a shop at a specific time Lurson, Batura here. They kind of scare me as people Yeah, like I don't I don't really know what to do in Cisco Not having been in on the conversation at all,

is like, go get a suit. It's obvious this is code for something. But I think that's such a fun character trait for Bashar to have, like sucking ass at subterfuge. It's like so unbranded, given the like brief glimpses we've gotten of him already, which is like, you know, asking for a date before he's introduced himself to his new boss. He's truly the buffoon of the series at this point.

Yeah. It's fun for that to be the doctor. Yeah. Like, in a weird way, he's got the like, he's got the job of having riker like swagger, but also having like data like ineptitude. Yeah, like what if Commander Riker were an idiot and a coward? That's what Bishir is at this point.

Yeah, it's like me, you know, in a lot of ways. I identify with this character more than anyone. I never pick up on anything, Adam. So, Tana has like, he's gotten provisional asylum because the, you know, the Kardashians are gonna come aboard to like make their case or whatever, but the commander is really holding shit up for them and making sure that every little regulation is followed before they're actually allowed onto the thing. And he starts going around and he's like,

he's like less a terrorist guy than like a UKIP, Maga type guy, he's like Nigel Farage of Bedurans. He's like, I don't want any humans or cardacians or shape shifters or anybody not bejeware and on the station or on bejeware. I want them all gone. I don't care what it costs us to make that happen. He's like a total xenophob.

And that really starts to drive a wedge between him and Kira. When you're a blonde haired blue eyed xenophob, all sorts of things come to mind, Ben. Really? Like what? I don't know. Yeah, well think of something. That was an incomplete thought. Yeah, well, when we come up with some blonde-haired blue-eyed xenophob ideas, we can edit them into the episode later. What do you say? That sounds great. Okay, cool. Yeah. Lersa and

Mador coming onto the station was a real thrill for me. Me too. I felt like they looked a lot different in their appearance and the thing that I figured out. I don't know to see if they were the same actors or not because I felt the same way, but they are. The reason they look so different is because they were never shot from below on TNG. And in Deep Space 9, they're shot at chest height or even below. And they look so different from that angle. I felt the same way.

They really make the camera focus on the under boob. Right, right. Yeah, they are both really rocking decalatage. I'm pretty major way. really rocking decalatage Pretty major way like Odo Odo like subjects them to like you know he takes their weapons away or whatever But we know that Klingons have like pieces of weapons hidden in their boots and stuff What do you think Larson Batur have under their boobs? Yeah, they really do they really have the cup size that they're representing?

Or is there a lot of material in there? We may never know. Gold to cotton. Gold to cotton. So. What's going on here is Tana and Lursan bator are conducting some kind of nefarious secret trade. But Lursa and Batur are also in talks with Garrick

about turning Tana over to the Kardashians for money. We are not here to buy. We are here to sell. So I think they're kind of trying to get paid twice on this job. Where they get something from him that they want, but then they also fuck him over and get something, get some money from the Kardashians.

They're like, they're feeling like they're out in the cold with no armies and no great house anymore and they're trying to drum up money and equipment so that they can get out there and become the, you know, the general purpose criminal element of the galaxy that they were born to be. I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this deal that Tana is trying to set up with Lorson Batour.

Like we know Tana is trying to purchase bomb making Lurson Batur. Like we know Tana is trying to purchase bomb making material from them. But what is- Right, it is like one half of a bomb and he needs the other half from them. I guess Lursa and Batur are in it for money. They say that much. Tana's in it for the bomb making gear

but why would Tana ever work with Lursa and Batur? Like that's how desperate he is. Like Lurson Batur can't have a great reputation in the galaxy, right? Like, they're known fugitives. They are really bad people. And Taana thinks he's bad-ass enough to take them on. Taana, who doesn't really have a ship anymore,

that Bajoran ship was no match for the Cardassian ships. Like, what does he think he's going to fight back with against a cling on vertebrae like he's in way over his head yeah he really had his he's he's not great i uh... the last note that i wrote at the end of uh... watching this episode is uh... spoiler alert tonne of kind of sucked at his job.

Yeah, he really does. But it's also complicated by what a racist he is, like the fact that he needs aliens to help him complete his project of dismissing all the aliens from the station is bonkers. Racism is just a bad motivation for any action. dismissing all the aliens from the station is bonkers. Racism is just a bad motivation for any action and it leaves you subject to making some really bad decisions. That's what we learned here.

Hmm, hmm, thank you. It's really powerful. I'm just trying to help Ben. So there's a fun scene where Bashir is like in the dressing room listening through the drapes as Garrick and Lursa and Batur haggle over a price for for Tana Loease's head. Let us haggle. And that's where we get the kind of final confirmation that Gerek is more than he appears to be. I am no more than what I seem to be.

He is making negotiations on behalf of the Cardassian government, which makes him, you know, like knowing that going forward, a character that everybody in the Starfleet portion of Deep Space Nine has to be really careful about. Right. He's the sort of deal maker that you might expect Quark to be, but he isn't, you know, like this, this Garrett guy is a Wheeler dealer in a way that no one else is. He outquarks Quark every time. During this this investigation Kira has a little bit of a Professional and personal breakdown and goes into Odo's office for some counseling Odo basically

describes her problem to her and Kira realizes that she's sort of with she's sort of a between a rock and a hard place, right like she can either help Tana and put aside her weird feelings about whether or not Tana is acting for good or not follow Tana and be painted as some sort of traitor to her people. And this is something that she's struggling with a Tana. And Odo basically tells her like, you know, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you do

and you're damned if you don't, but like this ton of guy is gonna be bad no matter what you do. Like there's really, you can't change this guy. And that was what I got out of that conversation. But another thing I got out of it was just how close auto and Kira are. Like they're more than just professional friends,

like they are counselors to each other. I think that that's something that there was more of in seasons one and two of TNG, and less of in later seasons, like seeing people sub the captain, like bounce things off each other for moral and professional support. Yeah, I think so too. It's like it always seemed like the captain had to get involved if Warf was having like a work problem. You know, you don't need to have a counselor figure on this show if you just have people being good friends to each other because that is like one of the roles of friendship, professional or otherwise. Yeah, and I agree Adam. We're really clipping these tangents.

I don't need a tangent. That's not what this shows about. Odo does a really fun bit of investigation wherein he turns himself into a rat and spies on a conversation that Lursa Batur and Tana have. Ben, the question I have for you at this point about Odo is like, how is it that he has a certain mass as a person? He has certain mass as a liquid. But then he can become less massive as a rat. Is that rat, like, does that rat have a density that is many times the density of a normal rat?

Like, does that rat weigh 200 pounds? If that rat flew through the air and kicked you and knock you across the room. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't understand how Oda works physically. Yeah. When he does the transformation, I hope that's something we figure out a little bit more about. Because that would be fun if like, he became an ant with human strength. Because doesn't he also become a bag at some point? Yeah, like, yeah, a bag that people put gold into. And they carry it around. So it's no big deal. So,

so Odo not only has the power to change shape, but also how much he weighs, which, that's pretty great, you know. Yeah, that totally contradicts the idea of a totally massive rat, like a heavy rat, because if he was a heavy rat before, he'd have to be a heavy bag later. And Cork was carrying that bag like it was just any other bag. Or our Ferenci's super, super strong. And he didn't notice that it was a very heavy bag. I feel like we'd know if Ferenke's were super strong.

That, they should have established that from the start. That would have been great. Yeah, they have these whips and they walk funny and they have super strong. Don't know their own strength they have Lenny from a mason man level strength they're always accidentally tearing the clothes off of women they just don't know their own strength whoops

just kept talking one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic to that no one had the chance to interpret it was really quite hypnotic. Tana negotiates with Kira for a shuttle. He's like, look, I have the secret to this whole thing. I can bring peace to the quadrant. We can end this war. We can end our hostilities between each other.

We can get these federation people off our backs, wouldn't that be great? All you have to do is procure a runabout so we can go on a mission I can't tell you anything about. And, Kira fucking does it. Yeah, well, she has talked, she's like basically talked to the commander into, we need to see what his ultimate plan is and the only way we're gonna do that is if we give him a shuttle. And not only do we give him a shuttle, but I need to go with him. We have to give them the runabout.

Agreed. And I have to be on it. Not a greed major. So this is the first big test of Cisco's trust that Kira is not a terrorist. Like she seems like she might be. It's an imperfect plan because you know what the perfect plan has been? Is if Odo became Kira and went on that mission.

But he can't. I think that's like a limitation. Like he can't do the nose. Oh, that's so fucked. He's like, he's great at being a rat, but he sucks at being a humanoid. That's too bad. Like, he is flawlessly good at being a rat.

That really stops a lot of storylines before they start, huh? It really does. Very limiting. It would be really fun if he was as bad at being other objects as he was at being a humanoid. So like, you know, somebody would walk in and there would be like a radio in the corner, but it would look like the radio was made out of like, sculpted clay. I wonder if he hangs out on the promenade, a ship's come in just looking for people with shitty noses.

He's like, I could be that guy. Oh, that morning guy, I could nail that. Look at that guy's awful nose. That guy oh That morning guy I could nail that Look at that guys awful nose Oh and Wilson I'm in I could be Barry Manelow Alice Cooper I could be that guy. Do you think anyone on the stations heard of Barbara Streisand? He's Steve Martin from Roxanne.

But a little bit you got there pal. So Tana and Kira are on the runabout and it's at this point Tana discloses what's going on when this Klingon bird of prey appears. Kira starts piecing together what's going on. There's a deal here. There's a deal for bomb making supplies. Kira is not happy about it because she's party to it now. She's had this moral quandary the entire time of like not wanting to support what he's been up to. And it really lacked, it really lacked impact for me because, you know, we just assume because it's Lursa and

Batoor that what he's up to is really bad. But because she doesn't know, it feels like really flimsy in the script. Like the script doesn't have the conviction of giving her a real, like a tangible choice that she has to make. Nor do the other characters really allow her the sort of latitude to act on her own, because Cisco and DAX have tailed them in a runabout of their own. Only their runabout has a roll bar on it. Sort of a sporty runabout. They have three runabouts on the station. They're all named after rivers and they all have like

slightly different aftermarket modifications. Like one is lowered, one has ground effects, one has a huge spoiler and a bunch of window decals. And yeah, the one with the huge spoiler is kind of tailing the one that Kira and Tonar are on, making sure that they never get into too much trouble. So once the deal gets made, it's sort of a race back to the station and the wormhole. Like Tonar's sort of making this up on the fly. He realizes that they're being tailed, not only by Dax and Cisco, but by a Cardassianship. None of them are really close enough to overtake them in terms of speed.

And so Tana's ordering Kira to take the run about back to the station and then to the wormhole. And Kira is like, you're gonna fucking blow up the station, you can't do that. And Tana is like, no way, I got other plans. And the blow up the wormhole. And Kira is like, you can't do that either. You can just spread this radiation all over the place. So, Kira, in a great all over the place. So Kira in a great moment in wheel man history, like sort of jerks the wheel to the side, toward the wormhole at full speed, they sort of like hit three wheel motion into the wormhole, and they do a little bit of Star Trek fighting. Well, Tana is off balance. Well, Tana is off balance. Yeah, it's good times. It's, I don't think the first time we've seen somebody use a invasive maneuver in a shuttle

to knock somebody off their feet. But it's a lot of fun. And Tana is like desperately trying to get the launch controls going for his bomb. And she's desperately trying to like pull him away from it but he gets to it but it's too late. They're through the wormhole it fires the bomb and it just goes off into space and a explode out there without harming anything. Is it gonna irradiate the gamma quadrant? It's hard to tell because no one talks about the consequences of this thing blowing up such a short distance from the other side of this thing. But I mean, if it's as dangerous to explode on the station side of the wormhole, it has to be just as bad on the other side of it. Or is it blowing up the wormhole that would have made the radiation?

I don't know, dude. I don't think anyone's concerned about that. So I'm not going to be either. Yeah. Well, Beijor really had a great opportunity there, but the path to another world just turned into a super fun site. So bad news for us. Like the idea that Tana would be like hailed as a hero of the people for doing that is so fucking crazy. Yeah. He's a real mad man. He's a mad man in an idiot. It's amazing that he sees

reason when Cisco is like, hey dude, you can either turn yourself in or we'll let the cardacians bully you. Right. Right. Yeah, so Cisco and DAX sort of pull their police cruiser in front of the other run about and Tiktana and the custody, yeah? Yep. Yeah, he gets arrested. Calls Kira a traitor. One day, you'll understand.

A traitor. Which is a real punch to the get for her. It's like the main way to insult her is to say that she's insufficiently pro-bejor. Do you think it hurt more to receive an open-handed punch to the face from Tana or to be called a traitor by Tana? Kinda, kinda even money.

Yeah, I'm gonna say. Thanks so too. Man, the Kardashians really did not observe ADA compliance when they built the S9. Every doorway has like a step, a step over. The halls all have like bars across the floor. It's really submarine like in terms of it's, if it's little, I don't know what, there are those, those aren't portholes but like the doors with raised rims around them.

Yeah, they're like gear looking doors. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really an accessibility nightmare of this station. We sort of end the episode on a sad note with Major Kira's mixed feelings about her role in the ongoing Bajoran struggle for independence. That's the note we end on.

Yeah. Did you like this episode, Ben? I kind of liked it. It's definitely a better second episode than TNG had, which is not like the standard, I think we should all these up to by, like is this a better season five episode four than for for second episodes I think there's a special consideration because

You've kind of gone through the work of inducing all the characters and now it's like let's throw an adventure at them that doesn't have anything to do necessarily with the like main plot of the series. And I think it's an interesting story. And if Tana had been, I think the two things that kind of like knock against this for me are that Tana is bad at what he's doing, like he is not a capable villain, and also that, you know, that Cure is not really torn in two directions ever. Like, it's sort of presented as though

she might get, get into a moral quandary, but she never really is. Like, she never really believes in his cause. Right. Right. And I think for there to be true stakes in this episode, she has to in a more credible way that she doesn't quite pull off. Yeah. Yeah, I feel the same way. I really, it's nice to get a second episode in the series that tosses us right into

what it's like to be in this part of the universe, which is going to involve most of the time policing these two sides. That's what life is going to be in this sort of uneasy, true state that they're in. So it was neat to get one of those right off the bat. Yeah, and a pretty interesting and generally well drawn one. Right. And also fun to have some corny cling on bullshit going on. Yeah, I mean, the more characters from TNG that show up in the show, the more I really crave those moments, I mean, I'm sure they will be more and more fleeting as we go,

but those are nice things to hang on to. It's helping with my transition into this show. Lurson and Batur's breasts help my transition into this show quite a bit. Yeah, you're just actually easing yourself into the deep space 9 hot tub. Ben, do we have any priority one messages? Oh, we surely do, Adam. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it.

supplement on it? supplement supplement Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Adam, our first priority one message is from Theo and it's for Kurt. It goes like this. Last year, my husband Kurt wrote you just after our son, Segen, was born.

Segen is about to turn one and Kurt's parental leave is coming to an end. Long walks with Segen while his dad listens to the greatest generational carry on, of course. Kurt, you are a wonderful husband and a wonderful father. Lots of love from your wife Theo. Wow. Awww. Little Seagun has been alive for the, like, there's not been a day that Seagun's been alive that the greatest generation hasn't been a thing.

Hahaha. Oh, what a quote. Oh, what a quote. Oh, what a quote. Oh, what a quote. Oh't been a thing. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Yeah, no kidding. Jeez, very fortunate. Yeah. Ben our second priority one message is from John from Philadelphia. It is to Ben and Adam. I think that refers to us. Message goes like this. Hey guys, I just want to say thanks and great job on your tour. Cut the first half of the filly show, but miss the end because I brought my wife. Anyways, thanks for all you do. Oh no. John that was such a perfect way to say that. We walked someone.

Wow. And the Philly Show was probably our least full room. Maybe I can't believe we walked someone. Maybe John's wife got food poisoning and it didn't have anything to do with us at all because it was sort of like, the Philly show was like the sort of dinner theater show. Wasn't it?

Yeah, yeah, it was the venue and our tour booking folks got their wires crossed a little bit and they set it up like a dinner cabaret rather than a comedy show Right it had a weird feel to it, but uh people were expecting us to joust as they ate their cornish gamehands Yeah I am sorry if we offended your wife but uh I am sorry if we offended your wife But I feel like it was maybe worth it for that P1 Hey, John. Thanks for trying

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told the makeup department, like, you know, I think I could go for a little less loaf in episode two. I'm really not feeling the time I have to spend in makeup. And also, I think it would help me develop my character a little better. Like Michael Dorn never did that. So he had six hours of makeup every day. Nana Visitor, like successfully negotiated an episode

to change in costuming and makeup, and it totally pulled it off. So that was sort of a big balls move. And also, she acts so big in this episode. This is like a few episodes in a row now where I don't think anyone has told her that she's not the star of this show and I think that's great. Yeah.

I love it. Keep believing that. To me, like, no one's having more fun than her She's she's getting a haircut. She's getting punched in the face and punching other people in the face Like she's having a great time clearly, so I feel like in this episode She kind of is the star of the show totally yeah, what about you Ben my drunk Shemota is garrick for the reason that this character is My drunk Samota is Garrick. For the reason that this character is written,

I think kind of badly, but I think the actor is Andrew Robinson. Man, he is fun in this role. Yeah. Like, he has just got a shit ton of charisma and it is really, really fun watch him garrick around and I'm glad that he became sort of a regular figure on this on this show. A lesser actor would have fucked this up really because everything he's doing isn't on the page you know. Yeah. You got to You get a guy over-smarming the garrick role and it's just cheesy and bad.

But this actor really plays it perfectly. And he's really like very early on in the series, like a favorite character right now. I want more of him. Yeah. He has definitely not lost track of how many times Sturdy Harry fired his gun. Ben, what do we have come up on the next episode? The next episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 is Season 1 Episode 3, a man alone. Odo must prove his innocence when a known enemy of his is found brutally murdered in a

hollow suite. Oh, that sounds like fun. A hollow, anything, isn't a frequent setting for a murder? No. And this is a, it's sounding like a Star Trek is a place. Yeah, I think it's not. Does it not? Yeah, I mean, what if the show was just murder of the week?

Well law and order start track That could be great. That could be really fun Well, that's what we'll be watching next time. Did we have we talked at all about what our plan is Are we gonna try and replace vetoes with something else in this in this edition of the greatest generation at them? Oh, I don't know, Ben. I am so unfamiliar with this show that I think to have a veto would be a totally irresponsible thing to use. Right.

So to be honest, I'd be in favor of not having vetoes at all, but I'm sort of feeling like we need something sporting. We need something that we can talk with each other about. I don't think it can be next episode related though, because we're going to both have problems remembering whether this is an episode or not that we want to veto. Well, we're both creative people. Maybe we'll come up with something as we go.

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