The Greatest Generation - A Sitting D (DS9 S5E26)

Episode Date: February 10, 2020

When Captain Sisko finally reaches the limit of his tolerance for ticks in the Alpha Quadrant, he breaks out the matches. But when he decides to evacuate DS9, his scorched wormhole policy neglects to include roll call. Is there anything worse than being asked out by Odo? Who’s on Jake duty? Is that it for Keiko? It’s the episode that is either very wise or conveniently dumb!

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. We are the guys. The embarrassed guys in question. Yeah. We are the guys, the embarrassed guys in question. Yeah, episode 300 is what we're here to do today. Ben, just last week it was our four year anniversary starting the show. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. It's now episode 300 for some reason.

Where does the time go? I don't know. I was having a conversation with my wife the other night and she was asking, what are you guys going to do when you run out of episodes of Star Trek? And I just like burst out laughing that my dumb life had led to a situation where my wife, who basically could not care less about Star Trek, is worried about the number of episodes that exist in the universe.

That's weird. My wife doesn't even ask me about what I do or how much of it is left, so. At least she takes an interest. One great thing about being 300 episodes in is that there is a good overall number of episodes for people to base a rating on. And we encourage people that think that this is a five-star operation to head over to Apple

Podcasts and leave a review. And if they've got a question, we try to answer questions that people leave in reviews when they do it. So do you want to answer a couple of questions that people asked here on the episode today, Adam? It's good to use occasions like an anniversary to do some real deep dive into how things are going and asking questions is a great way to do that right? That's what we do on our anniversaries and our personal lives right? Right. Do some checkin' in.

What do you think? I hate this! I love it! It is revolting! More? Please. Here's a question to kick this off. What is a good premise for a new Star Trek show slash movie?

Huh. Is this coming from a CBS email address? What is a good premise for a new Star Trek show slash movie? Huh! Is this coming from a CBS email address? Or rating account? The spreadsheet either strips that information out or intentionally obscures it. So... Probably smart. Yeah. Let's see.

A good premise for a show or movie. I'm ready for the Star Trek Leris show. Seeky Fakars. After only two episodes of watching Picard, I'm riding with her. Yeah, get Shabon out of here, but Leris, you want to see more of? I mean, if it's a package deal and Shabban has to come with, I'm totally down, but the two of them are real delight, so that's what I would propose. A spin-off, some type of spin-offs. Why not? I like it. I think that the Star Trek movie is a particular

challenge and they have often gone the direction of action movie to figure out how to put a Star Trek story into a two-hour plus package and you know I love action movies but I'd love to see a little bit more variety there so I'm gonna propose Star Trek Road movie like, maybe two or four characters in a shuttlecraft, heading across the Alpha Quadrant, you know, maybe an Earth to Vulcan, like Harold and Kumar go to the contra temple on Vulcan kind of story. A lampoon style vacation film where they're heading to Riza,

except Riza's closed when they get there. Like the advantage of a road movie is that you can kind of just you just put a bunch of set pieces in the middle of it like you you have a beginning and an end and then you can just have some little skits in between and you can cut them if they don't work and it doesn't really matter but also it gives you a sense of geography and I would love to have a movie that really like illuminates some of the spatial relationships between things. I think that'd be all right

and I think that's in keeping with the whole Star Trek is a place thing. We're putting a genre film on top of that place. Be a lot of fun. I think it would be cool. Adam, we have another question here. Long time viewer, first time reviewer. As of today, I am finally caught up on all the episodes and truly feel like a true friend of

just so. My one question is what do I do with my life now? I have to wait a whole week till the next episode. I'm already going through with draws. Congratulations first of all for making it through. It's a big accomplishment. It's a lot of us buzzing in your ears. I don't recommend also adding to your pod feed the the Hitch-show-friendly fire. It's our Warmovie podcast. We do a John Roderick. When I get that in the mix, that gives you a second episode every week. And that's not even counting the greatest discovery, which would give you three. What I'm proposing is a way to make you hate us. You know, like in 7, the deadly sin of overeating.

That's where that sin comes from. The movie 7. I'm encouraging a 7-style overconsumption of all of our programming and see if that doesn't satiate you. Yeah, we do also hear from people that just go back to the beginning when they're done listening to all episodes of Greatest Gen. And that's also another path to the same goal. Someone on Twitter sent me a message that I've been thinking about a lot and it was one of those messages that I instinctually just wanted to destroy the person over but instead I just let it simmer in the back of my head for a while and it went something like

I went back and I listened to your first episode and Wow, do you ever think about just re-recording that? because boy your first episode and wow, do you ever think about just re-recording that? Because boy. And Twitter's not a place for nuance and I think by giving myself time to consider this I was able to like not be so upset at the person who made that comment but the reply that I didn't write to this person I might as well just say to everyone who may be inclined to go back to our first episodes. And that is like, I think I've had ideas for lots of creative outlets that I've never seen through in any way because I wasn't sure they would be perfect from the start.

And that makes me sad. And I think a lot of people who have creative interests are maybe stifled by themselves and that very same feeling. And so initially I thought, boy, it wouldn't be great to re-record that thing and maybe re-record all of the first season, you know, giving it the spit polish that we've given episodes in the years that followed. But no, now that I think about it, I feel years that followed, but no. Now that I think about it,

I feel like that represents this whole idea. If someone listens to our first show and here's how it may be rougher than the ones that we do now, I think all that does is maybe inspire someone to do their own show, knowing that even a show as great as ours, Ben. So it started as dumb as this thing.

Yeah, like our show is one of the best shows, clearly. But look at where it began. I have a slightly different opinion about this than you, which is that we were really bad at podcasting when we started, and we have not gotten any better at it. So if that first episode doesn't work for you, episode 300 certainly will not either. Yeah, well, wait a, continue your marketing efforts.

Ben, it's appreciated. I have another question here that this looks like one that I'm not quite sure if I understand the terminology, but maybe you will. The question is, is Joe Flacco an elite QB? Is that a football question? It is. And he's not.

Ha ha ha. Okay, who does Joe Flacco play for? Joe Flacco was a quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens for a while before being signed by the Denver Broncos, and he was not elite on either team. We have another question here. This is actually two questions and one, but I think we can let it pass the goalpost.

Who made net access? Question mark, channel 90, question mark. I think we all know the answer to that question. I'm Chris Brenner. Brenner information systems. You know interface operations net access channel 90. That Chris Brenner. It's nice to hear that drop again. Yeah. our review system qualifies as both a Q&A and just a jukebox for drops. This next question, hey Ben and Adam, our mountain Nuckmore and Mount Armus still standing. Will we get to hear about more Fs being added to it? XOXO Heart emoji.

I feel like the construction of those mountains really happened after we did the entire series of TNG. I think we noted episodes that may have belonged there as we went along throughout the seasons of TNG a little better than we've done on Deep Space 9. I think maybe the reason for that is I mean a lot of people say Deep Space 9 gets better and better and better as it goes and maybe we're just reaching that point where the episodes are mountain worthy. We did like that wrap up episode at the end of TNG where we picked our mountain episodes from each season right and then we narrowed it down to like the favorite four which was

like kind of an unscientific way of doing it, because it meant that you couldn't have two episodes from season five on your mountain or what. I think those rules would kind of cripple any attempt to do that for DS9, because I feel like the quality is kind of bunched. Right. Yeah, I don't know. I think we'll probably do an episode like that again,

but we may tweak the rules. But I think that each series probably gets its own armist and nutmore, right? The rules are ours to make and break. Okay. You want to do like two more and then call it a day? Sure. This is fun. Okay.

Can you guys tell Jesse Thorn a 2JZ is a type of Toyota high-powered engine favored by younger car guys? I think you listen to JJ Go, and I don't want to tweet at JD Power. Hmm. Well, your real life hangout friends with Jesse Ben, so I would trust you to pass along that message. Yeah, Jesse and I are take a picture of a van

and text it to each other friends. And I imagine that this person of course on the hit podcast Jordan Jesse go they ask any Any nerdy pedantic corrections be sent to JD power and associates on Twitter And our policy on this show is to send it to Jordan and Jesse right? Yeah, if there's anything wrong with our show That's right. They even have a phone number for that, which we used to give out quite a bit. Yeah, so I would say if people out there

are listening and hear this correction on behalf of this kind person who left us a five star review, could you please correct Jordan and Jesse on this 2JZ issue? Here's a long one. Do you really hate all sandwiches everywhere? I just can't understand this, given the variety of sandwiches out there and your general

open-mindedness when it comes to good food. If it's a complaint about the average sandwich, sure, the average one is subpar. But if it's just every sandwich, you can consider a hamburger sandwich and score in it. Here's my sandwich stance. I'm going to try and clear this up once and for all. The issue is of average sandwich, and specifically what people mean when they say we're getting sandwiches for lunch. Because we're getting sandwiches for lunch means there's going to be a bunch of pre-made shitty like Kaiser rolls and bad focaccia that have been sitting there for three hours on a table somewhere in a meeting room and I hate

that food I hate that food with a passion. A passion of a thousand cents and I think it is what what most sandwich people are defaulting to when they're when they say sandwich. Like, the point of I don't like sandwiches is that is not that I don't like lobster rolls or that I don't like hamburgers. It's that when people say we're getting sandwiches they never mean lobster rolls or hamburgers. They always mean a bad thing. There is my complaint. That was as practiced as the Jake or Picard commentary about working to better ourselves and each other when questioned about the absence of currency in Star Trek. This is actually a fight that your wife picks with me basically every time I see her, so I've gotten pretty good at defending my position. You're someone who fought the sandwich wars in corporate offices and in production environments for years.

That's enough to scar anyone. Like a moment that I look back on with genuine shame in my career is we had a two-day shoot where we were shooting some scenes for my documentary that I'm working on and my producer just like was handling lunch and I came into the lunch room on our break and discovered that kind of sandwich a raid for everyone and I like took him aside and I was like, dude, I have a reputation here. You cannot get this kind of sandwich tomorrow. Wow. So we got tacos the next day

and everybody was a lot happier. That's a nice swap. That's a definite upgrade. Right? Yeah. And that producer never worked again. And now he's very successful. I love that guy. Well Adam, I think it's probably enough questions for this very long marion.

Do you want to get into the final episode of season 5 episode 26? Call to Arms? Do you realize how many? What about this scenes? No, of course you don't. It feels like it's already begun. Now that we're on the other side of that job. Yeah, you're in charge.

You're the captain now. If you thought that this episode was going to begin seriously, I'm here to tell you that it's not, it feels like most of my friends got married long ago. And so the concerns of people who are engaged, especially the concerns of those on the show who are engaged, seem trivial to me. Yeah, I have friends now getting ready for second marriages. Yeah.

So this is, you know, like we're entering this phase of life. Second marriage, one of the great marriages anyone can have. It's the type of marriage where you really pull out all the stops and maybe even show up in Reisi and traditional wedding garb. Yeah, and this is the core of the conflict between Lita and Ram. It's weird, like Ram up until now was totally into having a hardcore bajorin themed wedding. And now it has swung back the other way, pendulum like into into having a Ferengi wedding that includes the nudity that one would expect. Yeah, he's looking for the gray area

between Ferengi and Bajorin customs. And that doesn't exist. He's looking for a decal attach between two ways of doing a wedding. Yeah. On the one hanging pendulum, there's fully nude forangi wedding. I am not going to be naked at my wedding. And on the other, there's tasteful pejoran wedding.

Who's done anything about naked? This drawing of a Raizy and traditional wedding attire looks like something that would get you suspension for drawing in your notebook in high school. And that it is the first shot of the episode was breathtaking to me. As fucking Parker. Yeah. Yeah, so Lita does not have time for this bullshit, but the problem is they've looked at a lot of dresses. 153 potential wedding dresses have been considered

and rejected. Lita does not say yes to the dress. Now she does not. And that prompts Zee all to suggest that she just have Garek make her something himself. Come up with an original garrick dress. Ziels back on the scene. Feels like it's been quite a while since we've seen her and it looks like she's grown close with garrick.

Close indeed. She's really writing for him and kind of making the case that he is great at this to the extent that they could just let him go off and design a dress and he'll come back with something that is perfect. I find your blind adoration both flattering and disturbing. Like what about somebody that has rejected 153 dresses would make her believe that she would be willing to say yes to one that she's never seen before. It's a good thing. Garek still is not racism drugs. Otherwise the the sort of dress that he'd make for Lita

would be pretty fucked up, right? Yeah, I wonder what ever happened with that inquest. Yeah, I don't know. It seems to have come and gone, and Garek is just fine. Yeah. So they spot Cisco and O'Brien walking around on the promenade, and Lita and Ram have a big question for him.

So they're gonna run up and ask him. But it's not before we get a little snippet of the conversation between Cisco and O'Brien, which serves to write Keko off the show for the foreseeable future, but I felt like was gilding the lily a bit. Keko's barely bit on the show at all, so writing her off intentionally again. It feels like a salt in the wound situation. It's such an interesting decision because this is a show that committed so much to that character early on. And they just kind of quit on her. I wish I knew how to quit her.

The one thing Lita and Ram can agree about is that they want Cisco to perform their marriage ceremony. And yeah, Cisco has a rep as a guy that can really perform. It's the one thing captains do. It's like their main job is performing with. Yeah, do you think like technically they have to go out on the ship? I don't know, out on the little D frame to have that authority or does he just have the authority as station commander? I think it's the second one. You think Warfoot agreed to have all these weddings take place on the ship that he's staying on? I think that'd be really irritating for him.

I'm like, can you turn Molota down? We're like trying to do like a pejorant ceremony here right now. Yeah, that'd be a nightmare for him. Cisco and O'Brien go over to one of the windows just in time to catch the space butthole taking a great big dump. Ticks have been flying through this thing five times in the last five weeks. They say the gemadara really accelerating their their rearming of kardasia. It's like clockwork like everyone is

assembled around the windows expecting it to happen and it does. The tics always run on time, Ben. Yeah. That's the fifth convoy headed for Cardassia in the last five weeks. Is there any race the Cardassians won't get with for their survival? They're real survival sluts. Yeah. Not to slutshade and shame the Cardassian, I think sluts are awesome. Jake and his dad have dinner a little later and they're discussing Jake's job as a correspondent for the Starfleet News Service. Yeah.

I guess this shouldn't have been a surprise. Jake's been interested in writing and in journalism for quite a while. But the argument between them has to do with Jake's access to his father and really what may or may not be on or off the record. Yeah, this is not the thing to blindside your pop with. Not at all. And I'm just going to come right out and say this is a very bad Jake episode. This is the first instance of, come on, Jake, what are you doing? Yeah. the stars and stripes of Starfleet maybe didn't hire somebody with the greatest judgment.

Yeah. In Texas, go. Yeah, they're choosing access over quality, for sure. Yeah. It's too bad. Ethically, he's a little bit shaky. Yeah, and if you have a sincere interest in journalism, like we're supposed to believe

that Jake does, even a little bit of knowledge about journalistic ethics would be assumed here, but there are not. I took a journalistic ethics class in college as like a gen ed during a summer session. And like I wasn't trying to be in journalism school, but there were a lot of people that were there because they wanted to be like on camera, like local news journalists. Oh, cool. A lot of great haircuts in that class.

Yeah, like people who came to class camera ready because they just lived their lives camera ready. Oh. And are like, you know, want to go like be wearing the North Face parka in a hurricane while they report on the hurricane kind of people. And their ability to grapple with the like Potter box model of ethical inquiry

was disturbingly limited. How popular were you in that class as guy who looks like he should be driving the news van? I will say that of all the classes I took in college, that's probably the one in which I was least popular. Yeah, that's a hell of a list, I bet. Dax and Kira are inspecting the cargo bay. We're getting a lot of like around the horn style scenes here in the early going.

There is pallet upon pallet of Yamaksas in there, which it seems, is there something wrong with Yamex sauce that you would need to smuggle it? Is Yamex sauce actually illegal in the majoran sphere of influence? Yeah, that much is unclear. I don't know, it would be like if part of the Muslim ban was that they made sure that hummus was taken off the shelves and grocery stores or something.

It's like, wow, this is both unethical and super dumb. It's not valuable enough to do anything besides dump it, which is what Odo is going to do. Like I guess just blow it out the airlock. That's a lot of yam access. And it's a very brief interaction between Odo and Kira, and it's not exactly comfortable, and this is something that DAX observes and asks Kira about. You've been avoiding each other for weeks. Ah, it's a long story.

Am I nuts in thinking that it's crazy that DAX didn't know that Oto sweats Kira? DAX is one of those characters that's written to be either very wise or conveniently dumb, depending on the circumstance. Yeah, and like, you wonder if she's playing dumb in this scene even. Like is she acting aloof and like she didn't notice

Odo's feelings in order to like draw extra information out of Kira? Yeah, potentially. I mean, you want to believe that, that someone who's hundreds of years old could be that sophisticated. I mean, I'm dumb about lots of things, you know, especially social things. My wife is always explaining to me how to behave around other people.

I've noticed you almost constantly playing dumb and social situations in order to get information. Right? I wonder if I had hundreds of years of practice to perfect that if I would be as good at it as Dax. I'll check back in with you after a hundred years to see if you've got any better. No man, when I go down, I'm taking my Ankylosor with me. In Cisco's office, Nugbriggns him a piping hot mug of rat cajino. He's asking about some shit that he heard about in the bar. Yeah, it's a piping hot mug of rat cajino with a piping hot cup of tea.

That's right, yeah. The Nug is spilling about the Romulans. Romulans signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion. And it's one of those fun sequences where we cut right from Cisco going. They want to the wardrobe where about six more people go. They want? The McLaughlin Group from Hell is the meeting of the senior staff where they realize that basically anybody not the Federation and the Klingons and the Alva Quadrant seems to have

either aligned themselves with the Dominion or taken an affirmative neutral stance on what happens between the Dominion and Starfleet. This is an incredibly long, cold open and part of the reason is because we basically recap everything that's led up to this moment in this scene. What Cisco does is drop this strategy bomb in the middle of the table. He's like, look, the plan is going to be

to mine the entrance to the wormhole. Mines! It's the sort of plan that Cisco drops to the team and then it's up to the team to figure out. And that's the next scene. It stacks an O'Brien and ROM discussing how to implement this plan. What kinds of mines, how they will disperse, how they will be used,

if they have enough, there's a lot of questions about how to implement this plan, and ROM isn't 100% committed to the idea's conversation. He's very distracted with his wedding and the temperature of his own feet. What if this is the biggest mistake of my life? What if ROM? This is one of those like letting your personal life compromise a really important career

moment, kinds of scenes, because I don't think that even half a season ago, Ram would get invited to this meeting. Right. But he's here. He's in the room where it happens, and he is totally up in his head about the wedding and kind of like thinking Along two tracks at the same time. He's like ranting about minds and the wedding like back and forth without without breaking stride In a way that I thought was really fun. It's a sign of great intelligence to hold

competing ideas in your head at the same time. So what are you doing? Well, he's got a great big dome. Yeah. He better be intelligent with a mellum like that. The self replicating minds strategy is Ram's idea and this is something that Dax and O'Brien agree to right away. It seems like a great idea.

These are going to be cloaked self replicating minds and they they're gonna lay them out in front of the wormhole. The problem is that there's gotta be a lot of them, so that there's enough to destroy ships at a rate that they come through the wormhole, which, as we've seen, is like kind of a shitload at a time. Right. At Ops, Cisco tells Kira and Worf that reinforcement aren't coming from Starfleet, so stop asking about him. like kind of a shitload at a time. Right. At Ops, Cisco tells Kira and Worf that reinforcements aren't coming from Starfleet.

So stop asking about him. Yeah. And it's one of those like very television writer excuses, right? Like they're doing something else. Yeah. You'll find out about it at the end of the episode. Cisco is basically turning to camera

and saying Starfleet doesn't have the resources to give us all of the ships we need to tell this story. I mean, fight this war. Right. The resources that Starfleet has are always a squishy amount. And in all Star Trek everywhere, it's always the story wags the resources dog. We gotta use the story of Wags, the resources dog.

We gotta use the entire Deep Space Night Buffalo here, Ben. We're gonna use the little D to lay these mines. No one else is coming to do it. We gotta do it ourselves. But the little D won't be able to cloak or raise shields while it's doing it, so it'll be a sitting D until the minefield is laid. It's true. He's Odo in the security office a little later in there.

They're talking about just what the hell Odo does every day. It's a real office space-type line of questioning. What would you say? You do here. I wish people would stop asking me what I do all day. You're only to spend all day watching, Garrick? Do you know how boring that is? All he does is put different wedding dresses on mannequins and show them to Lita.

She doesn't like them. Here's an idea, Garrick. Make me the wedding dress. I can be anything at any time. And frankly, I need practice flowing over at the Jorin Woman's body. I'm not sure if there's enough goo for me to cover all of Lita. It may be as revealing as Ron wants. This could actually benefit him a great deal.

Oh no, asking Kira on a date feels like a bigger crisis than the looming war. So he puts it out there as like, I was gonna do this, but this is worse than war, so I'm not going to do it. It also gets himself off of the social risk hook that you're on anytime you quote unquote make a move. That where you don't know what the consequences will be.

They're very much in the, I don't want to ruin our friendship if this relationship doesn't work out, uh, headspace. And just letting the air out of the balloon by saying, Hey, listen, I really want to ask you out, but I am not going to given the present situation is good. But man, the way he unloads that, like he's telling her about his cancer diagnosis or something, really makes it seem like he assumes ahead of time. It will be a real drag for her if he asks her on a date.

Her very positive reaction to tabling the issue until after the war is that sign that she's telegraphing. I don't see how Odo can see this as a win at all. It's like if you go to school and you don't want to take the big test and someone calls in a bomb thread or pulls a fire alarm, like this is not a solution to the problem. Kiritt is actually preferring to die in a war than being asked out by Odo right here and now. There's lots of different crises happening right now. I don't. Yeah. The mines are beginning to be deployed and wayune notices. He notices right away and it triggers his visit to Captain Cisco. I really like seeing this minefield getting laid. I thought that looked pretty rad. And then we get that cut to the super tick docked at the station.

And that looks really rad. This is an episode that's really like pulling out the stops. No bottle will stop this episode. This is a significant moment in the episode and in the conflict because there's an ultimatum delivered by Wei-Yu. And he's like, take the mines away or we're gonna take the station ourselves. And Sisko's like, what did you expect us to do? Like, we're noticing this buildup in Cardassian Space.

And Wei-Yu's like, look, man, the Carties are just jittery. You know, they just need protection. They've been through a lot lately. I'm sure you've noticed that. And I just want us to protect their borders for them. I really love this Cisco eyes to commercial because watching it on Netflix as I did, the camera fades out and then fades right back up. And Cisco is standing in exactly the same place.

It almost feels like they forgot that there was gonna be a commercial break here. And yeah, like when we come back, the conflict is not quite as we thought it was. When I was like, listen man, I'm trying to please do cut. I'm trying to do what the cardassians want. And it really shifts the blame on to what the cardassians desire. And it says this intolerable escalation of mining the wormhole is going to lead us to the brink of war and maybe we can find a compromise. What if it's just like a economic and medical aid that we bring through the wormhole?

Would you be cool with that? This goes like of course, it's a deal. Hardy handshake and high five. Smash cut to the attack is coming probably tomorrow. Right. I want to interrogate this moment a little bit with you Ben because it made me think a lot about the asymmetry between the dominion and DS9 like Wei-Yoon has always had all the cards and all the power and It's just up to Cisco to strategically kick the can down the road.

Like, Cisco's only goal is to survive. And that means that Wei-Yun has a number of different directions that he could go, but if we know that Wei-Yun could kill Cisco even in this room and take the station instantly, is that a kind of like anti-conflict that lowers the stakes of this scene? Because the outcome is always determined by the more powerful of the two sides. You know, we talked last episode or maybe the episode before about when the super-take is docked there, they could just self-destruct right then and there and take out the station. And I realized they can't because of Odo

Odo's presence always prevents them from Completely destroying the station. That's it isn't it? Yeah Yeah, and they never they never say that out loud But I I realized like they're using that as part of the logic of this scene Yeah, you know, that's a great defense of my attempt to poke a hole in this thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I never noticed it until this moment.

I mean, but also they could murder Cisco in this room, take the station and not harm over in the process. Yeah, those two yellow shirts standing by the door are no match for the one gemadar that has a rifle that way you've brought with him. Again, not asking the gemadar that has a rifle that way you brought with him. Again, not asking the gemadar to surrender their weapons when they come aboard the station. Yeah, because what's the difference?

So the second super shitty McLaughlin group of the episode, this time including General Martok and Dax is escaping in from the little D. She is in command of it as they lay the minefield and Cisco is explaining that this this attack is coming and that means minefields gotta get finished ASAP it's a real like Cisco has Kirk to Dax as Scotty on this minefield issue. I thought exactly the same thing. And Cisco again, even though no one asks, tells everyone within your shot that no backup is expected from Starfleet.

And that's what makes Martok the backup here. He's deployed to the border to give the little D some cover. Warf is told to get all the weapons ready. Dr. Bashir is told to get the infirmary ready. They all clear out and then it's just Cisco and Kira. And he says, listen, I've kind of flip-plopped on this whole dominion non-aggression pact with the Bajoran's idea. And I think you should actually do it.

I think I should go recommend it directly to the Council of Ministers in my capacity both as Starfleet, Ashtashay, and as Emissary of the Prophets. You want Major to sign a treaty with the Dominion? Why? This is pretty consistent with Cisco's strategy the entire time, and that strategy is just to survive. If you can survive, then you have choices down the road. But if you're taken over by the dominion at this point,

you lose the luxury of having choices anymore. And I guess we're all very lucky that Cisco didn't allow the treaty to be signed a couple of months ago between the Bajorans and the Federation involving their membership because they'd be dead meat right now if they had. Yeah, Bajor would be backed into a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner.

Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner.

Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a corner. Come to a guard. Exactly. And so we get this exterior of the station where all these bajuran ships are like pulling into every available docking position because all bajuran personnel are being evacuated from the station.

And when I think bajuran personnel, I think Ziyal. Yeah. What's going to happen to her? Said a couple of people. Ha ha ha ha. Garek sees her off. She's a little nervous about going to live amongst the Bajorans because of the obvious evidence of her cardassian heritage

that she wears in her loaf. And they kiss goodbye, which feels significant. Even though the music cue here totally ignores it. Yeah, I thought it would have been fun if they'd kissed goodbye and she walked off and Garrett could have been like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. What is in, as in like, he secretly repulsed by her? Yeah.

Wow. That's mean. Because he sweats, uh, he sweats this year. secretly repulsed by her. Yeah. Wow. That's mean. Because he sweats this year. Oh, right. OK, I get what you're saying now. I'm picking up what you're putting down. Speaking of things, Garrick was working on, though.

We get to see the wedding. And lead is wedding dress winds up being just a dress. It is not a particular special dress, as far as I can tell. And quite chased, like by comparison to anything else she's worn on the show, I guess I should say. Sure. Yeah, I mean, the cut is consistent with that idea, and also the color. I think we could have assumed that Lita would not be wearing white on this occasion. Yeah. All the pictures of my parents wedding, my mom's in a purple dress, and my dad is in like a brown corduroy suit.

That's awesome. It really did not get super dressed up for that. Have you ever been to a wedding where the attendees openly questioned the choice and made predictions about how long it would last because I have? I give it two months. Yeah, that's definitely the role Quark is playing in this scene. I went to, are you saying you've been the Quark at a wedding? No, I went to a wedding where I was very good friends with the bride.

And the bride's best friend's mom was like, I don't know what she's thinking and I don't see this lasting. And if all people to come to the world, the post script of the story is that it didn't and sure it's right. But like that's not the time. Do you keep that to yourself? Well, when you've lived your life as best friends mom, you've seen a lot of life, you know? You really have. That's a privileged position where you get to be a fly on the wall for a lot of drama. You know, we're all gonna be best friends mom

some day. That's true. Gotta act classy when our time comes. We gotta steal ourselves to the inevitable reality of being best friends mom. Yeah. This is, there's a haste to this ceremony and it's because it's it's mid evacuation Yeah, and ROM sort of grabs lead up by the arm and is like okay off to the escape shuttle Yeah, it's like like Nog is like tugging on lead as upper arm like he's like

I guess you're my movie now anyways got to go she doesn't want to go obviously but ROM Quotes She doesn't want to go obviously, but ROM quotes Kasa Blanca in telling her that it's as duty to stay, it will have to be as duty later to please that booty. For right now, he's got to help defend the station. Because Adam become the Dominion War has. That's great. You drink a glass of milk before that impression.

To really nail it. It's positively Frank Azean. Yeah, I put on some loaf to give myself long pointy ears. Leeta leaves. Leeta leaves. Yeah, she gone. And they get a FaceTime from Gullducat that's like, Hey, last chance guys, like we're coming with a lot of ticks here.

So there's no reason that you should all be killed. Any interest in just standing down peacefully? Sisko tells them to go fuck himself and then does like battle stations command to commercial. I love Martak being out there on his own for this mission. He's basically in like a World War II tank with a cloaking device up against like the fiercest of modern technology bearing down on him. Yeah, same warbird that Kirk and Spock save the whales with and it's ticks that he's

going to be fighting. I loved the change in lighting when we come back from commercial. The op section goes from being like pretty flat lighting to very contrasty and the shadows are very dark. Yeah. And it goes from looking like a living room in a television sitcom to like the bridge of the red October. It's a useful commercial break, isn't it? It super is. And I wondered, like did they just take all the diffusion

off the lighting? Like it looks so different. Yeah. It looks different than it ever has. Yeah, hard shadows really make a difference. This timeline gets compressed here because the time that Dax thought she had to finish her job is an hour.

When in fact, it's 20 minutes, everything's starting to fall apart here because with the Armada bearing down on them, no one's sure whether or not this mine mission is gonna be completed in time. Yeah, Chief O'Brien, now playing Scotty to Dax's Kirk, acknowledges the time constraints. And then we cut to the infirmary where Bashir

has enlisted the assistance of Jake. So Jake has already kind of abandoned his journalistic separation and is going to be participating directly in the medic operation on Deep Space 9, which I guess is a decision he's made in the past and the Starfleet news service didn't mind before. So more of the same. Yeah, I guess. I mean, Jake really developed a stomach for field medicine after his last experience doing so. Yeah. I think this is a nice character call back for him.

Yeah, he's just passing out mid-kits and yeah, now they wait. Now they wait till the bodies start flowing in. Yeah, we're cutting around to see how different characters are preparing in these final moments before the Armada arrives. Odo is laying back in the cut on the rail of the promenade, just waiting for it. Odo isn't preparing shit. I love the like, the groups of Starfleet walking around with their rifles, like expecting Gemhead Ars to just start beaming in at any point. And Odo is like leaning on the rail like, yeah, I don't really give a shit. This is great though, because nothing's gonna happen to him. He's gonna be greeted as a god. Yeah, sure it is.

Things are actually gonna be great for him. What's this occupation starts? We get ROM. He is working on getting the defense systems ready and quark. It's like, hey man, why don't you not and just leave. You totally can. And their relationship has really changed. The idea that ROM is subject to things quark wants is totally gone from their relationship. Like I think earlier quark looking after his bar would have meant Quark deputizing Rom to look after his bar.

And now they're like, they still have the same kind of like bickering, but because they don't actually have a business relationship anymore, the bickering takes the form of just like their expression of love for each other. Exactly. Yeah, because at the end of this scene, we understand that they both feel similarly for each other. It's just Ram as the only one that shows that outwardly. You're my brother. Whatever happens, we belong together.

Ram, you know, using his little gadgets on the circuit boards in the wall is his love language. And, of course, gives him a big kiss on the back the circuit boards in the wall is his love language and Quark gives him a big kiss on the back of the dome What's your love language Adam? Don't really have one. I think that's a problem for me. I'm Inarticulate in my love language Don't worry. There's a quiz in Cosmo for you too. This battle kicks off in a big way. I think one of the scenes you and I both really love is when the station spools up weapons. We go around the ring and we see all of the little hard points pop out, it's great. Yeah, and I know that it's the same clips that they're showing again for the fourth or

fifth time in the run of the series, but I love it every time. It always seems like shit's about to pop off when they show that. The Armada is massive and it seems laughable that the station could put up any kind of defense at this point, really. Like, the sense of scale is really pronounced in this moment. And aboard to Kat's ship, he approaches this whole situation with that kind of confidence. He psyched to return to his old home. I'm waiting for this moment for five years. I loved the arms that that do Kat andat and way you know wearing with their little

I guess I guess it's their augmented reality system for running a gem had our ship Yeah, it's neat that they're clearly sharing tech. Yeah, way you didn't really looks like he knows what he's doing wearing it And I I think it's like a performance choice, but Ducat looks like he's wearing his just to like demonstrate status to other people. Like he's never looking in it or using it. It's like how some people just don't look good wearing hats. Yeah.

Like DuCott doesn't have a hat face. Yeah, he doesn't have an augmented reality face. And like, Demar definitely didn't get one. Right. And this is a, just a way for DuCott to feel some status on everyone else. Everyone hates Demar though. That much is very clear.

Yeah, Demar's a piece of shit. Becoming clear by the moment too. Yeah. Who wants to have Kenar with that guy? Against all expectations, the shields on DS9 are holding up to the bombardment by hundreds of ships. It doesn't seem possible.

They are taking out ticks, like they're firing lots of torpedoes and like, there's some pretty amazing shit like we see a Cardassian worship blow up against the shields of the inner ring. Like, there seems to be like a secondary shield on the inner ring that this thing hits and it completely destroys it. The shields are holding after that. It's not just torpedoes and phasers that are hitting the station, it's entire starships. Especially because we've been trained to expect that kind of impact to be super destructive. We saw that a couple of seasons ago where we saw a galaxy class blown up by a ship ramming it. Right. And this is a moment where Wei Yun starts to like lose his nerve a little bit. And

and DuCott is like, yeah, like I think underestimating the federation is always something you do at your peril. Which feels so different because every time we've engaged the dominion before now, it's been just overwhelmingly odds are dominion. Did this feel a little shield's ex machina to you though? Like there's no explanation for their ability to defend as well as they are. It's just happening. Yeah, I mean, because there's like a brief moment where they, you know, Cisco like asks the computer about whether Cisco program 1, 4, 5 is ready to go or not. And I thought maybe that was what this was,

but it's not. Yeah. Like that, that, that pays off later in the episode. So I guess just the assumption is that in the background, the federation is always making improvements to its shit. And that makes sense. Mar-Toc is a little late to the party defending the little D. They take some direct hits from the Gem and Ar before Marthock shows up, meaning those were like unshielded phaser fire hits on the little D. And that's bad. Kind of a lot happens here all at once, because the little D dropped its last mine.

Martak Abily defends the little D and then Cisco evacuates the station. It's an interesting moment because Ducat, Wei-Yun and Dimar are doing the math on the back of their napkin and are like, we should have broken through by now and they're starting to get frustrated about how things were going. And then as soon as Cisco's mission is successful, the station is basically given to them through their withdrawal. This is a big twist ending. He gives like a speech to the people that he's leaving behind,

which are the non-Bajuran non-Federation people on the station. So like, mourn, quirk, and a handful of other people, basically. Right. The hardest drinkers on Deep Space 9? Yeah, just the local alcoholics. Yeah. And gives them his MacArthur speech, like I shall return. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool. Fuck you, I'm out. and then he gets beamed out

It's the little D where they've gathered all the people who are leaving and that Group includes Garrick so every last person off deep space nine that they need at this point is is on the little D There's there's definitely no one else that should be there that isn't. And they flee with Martak, sort of going in the opposite direction as the oncoming armada. It's a pretty fun shot of the two ships cloaking and working their way through. Yeah, and at some point in there,

Wurf and Dax agree to get married. Dax says yes to a question that Worf didn't ask. Yeah. A lot of shit has happened. If Michael Dorn plays that a different way, that is a terrifying moment for Worf. But as it is, he seems pretty psyched about it. Yeah. Speaking of Worf, Cura runs Cisco's program, which deploys just a sh ton of warflightening

and bricks the station, basically. Yeah, that was the bit of programming that Cisco was doing. Looks like it worked. Everything's a smoking pile. Yeah, in quarks, they are destocking the root beer and restocking the canar. Rom reports for duty.

He's taken off his, his bejorin costume and put back on a franghi costume. Actually on the spine. Is Rahm actually a spy or does Rahm just say that to get Quarkoff his back? Because I think Rahm would make a terrible spy. And this is a bad strategy if it's the truth. I feel like Starfleet intelligence signs Rome up

as a spy going like, well, worst case scenario, he gets captured and tortured, but we don't care. He's just gonna Mr. Bean this up, I think. He is heading to the waste reclamation with the root beer and discovers that Jake Sisko has chosen to stay aboard the station. Aren't you supposed to be under the Defiant? I changed my mind. Ben Sisko really fucked up Ben.

Or is this Bashir's fault? Like whose job was it to babysit Jake? I don't know. I mean the point is that Jake has a job and he has stayed behind because of his job They're so there's so many questions about this like does he have agency? Is he adult enough to have made this decision on his own? Or did someone screw up? I keep going back and forth on this. I think Ben Cisco definitely fucked up. I don't know how you don't do one last computer locate Jake Cisco, request on your way out the door. For a guy that went through

Wolf 359 and lost his wife and like experienced all of the desperation of being in a space war and and having his son be the only like close family he has left. Like you would think that he would double check. The core principle of this show, like the foundational idea of deep space nine is what when we're talking about Benzisco. Benzisco is a great father. That's it. That's every single episode basically

has been about what a great father he is. This episode is asking you to somehow believe that everything we know about Ben Sisko is forgotten because Ben Sisko got too busy and distracted by this war. I don't know, man. I have a great father and my dad has not, he doesn't have an unbroken record. He's made mistakes in the past, you know. Like overall great father, but he had a couple of a couple of slip ups or whatever. I think it's realistic. Yeah, but I think Sisko had a lot on his mind

and it's refreshing that deep face 9 is finally showing Cisco making parenting mistakes. Uh, I know your dad isn't perfect. I know no parent is, but this is tantamount to leaving a baby on Omaha beach during the invasion. It's not just a simple oopsie here. It's crazy. That's just a beautiful mental image, just a baby and a wicker basket on Omaha Beach. It's asking a lot of us, Ben. That's what I'm gonna say about it. DuCott, Wei Yun and a zillion Gem Harers soldiers board the station, Kira and Odo greet them and say, welcome to Deep Space Night. They couldn't be more excited to board the station.

I mean, they're the conquering heroes. This is DuKat's return to his one-time home, but it's not all hugs and high fives. They lost a lot of ships for this and a shipyard too. Yeah, the reason that they couldn't get any reinforcements was because a federation task force was taking out the Dominion shipyards in the Cardassian space.

So, you know, it does not feel like a total victory for the Dominion here. And when they get into the office in Ops, they find Cisco has left his baseball behind as a message to DuCat that he intends to return to that office. The very last shot is the little D and Marta's ship meeting up with the Federation Armada.

Evident, I mean, was this the Armada that destroyed that shipyard? Maybe it is. I don't know. But it is. That is a big, big fleet. It's loaded. It's loaded with galaxy classes, a couple of hood classes that don't want to be there. And a little D is in the group too.

Another little D? Which suggests that the little D class, the production line rolls on. Yeah, wow. Yeah, I guess they wouldn't stop making those, right? It's not like they're looking at less wars going forward. Big ends to a big season, Adam. You really want to do this.

Here, now, okay, okay, let's do it. Did you like the episode? I mean, big is the word, right? It's got, it's a huge story. It's a ton of moving parts. It's gathering a lot of threads together from the last couple of seasons into this moment. I mean, the score is a lot of fun. It's a way you an episode.

It has all the ingredients of episodes that I really like. I mean, it missed in a couple of areas and I think that Jake being left behind is one of them. I don't know how you write yourself out of that kind of jail. If what you're trying to do is create a reason for Jake to remain, I just can't get all the way with the reasons as stated right now. It just seems like it's too far-fetched for it to have happened this way. I might have preferred he to be taken prisoner somehow and be a reporter from behind enemy lines like that. I don't know.

I can't get with that part, but I still like the episode a lot in spite of it by you, Ben. I feel basically the same way. I don't mind the Jake thing as much. And I loved Sir Rock Lovton's performance as like being almost depressed hanging out in Corksbar as they're retooling for a new kind of clientele. He definitely made this choice and knows he probably made a huge mistake in that moment. And I liked that a lot.

And overall, I just really liked the episode. This is like, this is so much beefier of an episode. Like I, just in terms of like what my notebook looks like after watching this episode. Like I typically fill up half apage with notes for an episode and I barely had enough page space to write notes for this one. So much should happen. You get the idea that Noggin Jake aren't really friends anymore either, because that's another check on Jake that doesn't happen.

It's too bad. Nog's got a lot on his plate in this episode. Sure does. You know what we might have on our plate at him is a couple of of priority one messages you want to check? I've got a check. Priority one message from Star Fleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplemental link. Supplement? Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, our first priority one message is of a commercial nature. And it goes like this. Gabe and Jeff have been playing Dungeons and Dragons long enough to make every mistake

in the book and learned from most of them. Three years ago, they started a podcast called Interparty Conflict, where they help players new and old, avoid the pitfalls that can ruin a game. Hmm, if you're just getting into D&D or want to brush up on the basics, start with episode 151. They focus on the fundamentals of the game

to get you up to speed. Wow. 151. That's my favorite proof at him. Yeah, light that shot on fire. So listen to Interparty conflict on your favorite podcast app. That sounds great. Were you a D&Der when you were a kid? I have never in my entire life played D&D and the only experience of D&D I have is having seen the Mackle Royce play it at a max fun con one time. And I walked up to our buddy Stuart Wellington who like guessed it on that episode and I was

like, that was cool, I've never seen that before and he was like, yeah dude. That was a great Stuart Wellington impression by the way. Listen, I didn't even have nerdy friends growing up, I had no friends. That was a great Stuart Wellington impression, by the way. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh podcast. Maybe this is, maybe this is my Aunt Ray. I've been thinking a lot about starting up a Star Trek Adventures game, Ben, and I'd invite you to play with me. Oh shit dog. Should do that. Be fun. Well, I'll let you be my dungeon master any day of the week, Adam, but not that kind of dungeon. Ben, our second priority one message is of a personal nature. It's from Laurell and it's to Mike. The message goes like this. Hi babe. Happy 13th slash 35th anniversary of birth and times day. I'm

very glad you were born and I'm still happy that you're living in my house and then parenthetically and that you haven't burnt it down by accident yet. Ha ha ha ha ha. May your chicken wings stay supple, your smiles, continue to crinkle. Your mind remained inquisitive, and your soul stay gentle and full of love. With love, Laurel. Wow. What a beautiful message.

Yeah, kidding. So, a lot of hyphens and slashes, we're covering all the bases here. It's a birthday and an anniversary and Valentine's Day, all in one. I fucking envy that so much, man. Moral getting value for her P1 dollar. Good job.

For a long time, we had a situation where, my wife and I are dating anniversary is January, and then we had Valentine's Day and her birthday in February a couple of weeks apart and collapsing all of those things into one thing would be amazing. Yeah, we're kidding and especially making Valentine's Day one of the collapsibles. Get that shit out of here. This year for Valentine's Day, get this.

My wife just like was like, hey, a couple of friends of mine are going to be coming over for Valentine's Day, get this. My wife just like was like, hey, a couple of friends of mine are going to be coming over for Valentine's Day. And I was like, if I had announced that a couple of friends of mine were coming over for Valentine's Day, oh my God. Yeah. You would burn the house down with me locked inside it. And she was like, no, I wouldn't. It's totally fine. It's cool. And I was like, I'm happy that your friends are coming over. I like your friends. Like, I'm looking forward to this hang in a big way. But that is, there is no symmetry in that idea. That is fucking crazy. She fully rejected that that would be an issue if I had pulled the same move. Of course she did it was her idea. Wow. Anyway, congratulations on every occasion to Laurel and Mike and if you're out there and are interested in some

holiday and occasion collapse, you can take it out over to MaximumFund.org slash jumbo tron where personal messages for $100. And commercial messages about your podcast or D&D game or whatever else are $200. Both of which are a great way to continue the production of our show. Hey Adam, it's that Ben. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda. There is a take early on in the episode when Lita proposes talking to Cisco about the ceremony they want him to perform. Roms take of now. Let's talk to him. Now? Now, Roms. I think you even remember it., I even saying it was hilarious to me. No

And so well, well, it really should be Jake. It's obviously Jake I'm gonna give it to To Ram for the way he exclaims that in that moment. It was awesome. Very funny. It is awesome. Good job, Ram Wow, well, Ram is our daily double atom. Wow, not for the same moment, but when they're having the meeting about what they're gonna do with these minds, they all part ways, Daxo, Brian, and Rob,

and they go in different directions. And Rob is the last one to explain what he has to go do. And he says, I've got to go to waste extraction. And my mind immediately went to, that is a future sci-fi code for, I've got to go take a great big dump. It's sort of like 10-100 is, or a bathroom break on production.

Yeah. Yeah. I got to go to waste extraction. He's got to go get turds beamed out of his butt. Oh, hi. That's fun. I never thought in a million years that we'd double up on Ram here for the Shimoda.

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Next episode is season 6, episode 1, a time to stand. Cisco and his crew embarked on a secret mission in a captured gem hadar worship and for the how of how we are going to do it I'm gonna head over to our our beloved game the game of buttholes the will of the prophets looks like we're currently on square 43 where three squares ahead is a cocoa no-no. That is true. So you know, there's some real risk ahead. I have no idea what we'll do if we hit this fuck it, we'll do it live. To be honest, that is a real source of fear for me. But I'm gonna get ready and roll. What do you say?

You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Oh, Adam. Oh, Adam. Oh, lover! Drink, the antidote! You're gonna be very displeased to hear this, but we've hit the Coco No-no episodes. The next episode we record,

which a little peek behind the kimono will be in about 20 minutes. We will be drinking teaky drinks together, moon frayer. I'm going to need your help with this because I've been in a by no groceries mode ahead of the move that we're making to Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah. So like, I'm going to need to get creative on my ingredients. I know I've got pineapple juice. I'm fairly sure I have rum.

Even if it's just a rum on pineapple juice, that might be what I'm stuck with. We have no items. We have no items. And maybe you can help. I don't have rhymes. Wow. Okay, well we'll collaborate over text.

All right, sounds good. All right, well that will be next week. We will be drinking bad drinks coming right up and In the meantime, check out the greatest discovery. We are currently reviewing Star Trek Picard the Exciting new series from CBS all-access. Yeah, if you like what we're doing here I don't understand why you wouldn't also be listening to that show at the same time. It's it's Picard Yeah, it's brand-new Star Trek and it's us. Why don't you join us?

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You just search Adam Ragusia on YouTube and you'll like learn how to make a great steak, a great pizza at home, you know, put a chicken thigh up on a plate and it'll be good. Have you ever wanted to know how to put a chicken thigh up on a plate? Adam Ragusia will tell you how. up on a plate. Adam Ragusia will tell you how. I'll teach you how to use sodium citrate in your macaroni and cheese to make it more smooth and velvety. I'm using sodium citrate and everything to make things smooth and velvety. We also got to thank Bill Tilly who makes hilarious trading cards for every episode of the greatest generation and every episode of the greatest discovery. He's putting those up on Twitter, he's in the hashtag greatestgen. He's also got like a Tumblr now. He's at

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