The Greatest Generation - A Troubling Amount of Knuck (DS9 S1E13)

Episode Date: January 8, 2018

When Sisko is presented with a perfect opportunity to redeem his reputation as a diplomat, he fails to recognize it for what it is. Meanwhile, Chief O’Brien is trying to keep a safe distance between... himself and the doctor and failing miserably. How many clown shoes fit in the average bag? Is this old man set in his ways, or is the whole town? What’s the problem with Jake Sisko? It’s the episode with sub-Nagilum-level effects.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdisotoforlabor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Welcome to the greatest generation, Deep Space 9. Star Trek Podcast by two guys you are as ever a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pranika.
Starting point is 00:02:38 I'm also still embarrassed. I'm Ben Harrison. I didn't tell you this, but I saw a, the host of another maximum fun show on the street the other day. Oh no, do you have the maximum host even regard us in the streets, in these streets? Yeah, like I thought about walking up
Starting point is 00:03:00 and introducing myself, and then I was like, I don't want to, because I don't want them to maybe be like, no, you're not, you're not a peer. How Leblin famously an asshole would have just taken you down to street level had you approached him. How Leblin was such a nice guy when we met him. I completely agree. I want a party with him again. I know.
Starting point is 00:03:24 I know. Fast. Yeah, we totally, we totally bumped into El hell of one at a house party. And it was like, whoa, this house party is dope. I immediately fell in love with him because we got into a super deep wrestling conversation like right away. It was awesome. Yeah, I just faded into the background at that point. Yeah, I just faded into the background at that point. Thing is, I want to be on tights and fights, but that show maybe, maybe more than any other really intubinate to me, the idea of being on it. I have a very shallow level of wrestling knowledge that basically ended in I think 2003.
Starting point is 00:04:01 I'm afraid all my references would be too dated for them. Yeah, you'd just be, you'd just be making the degeneration X-croch thrust the entire time and they'd be like, Adam, please. That's not a thing anymore. Yeah. You know me, always making the degeneration X-croch thing. Yeah, that's your, like, when you come out on stage in our live shows, you always do that, right?
Starting point is 00:04:27 It's kind of my move. Yeah. Uh, uh, uh, uh. Also, my move is a figure four leg lock that I put you in on stage until you submit. Yeah. Uh, painful. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Adam, this episode, I I believe is gonna come out within the same week as the debut of Friendly Fire. Oh boy, we've probably announced this elsewhere, but is it worth announcing what the the first movie we're gonna watch for Friendly Fire is? I mean, let's go ahead and announce it. Okay. If it's redundant then whatever. Yeah. People need to know this stuff.
Starting point is 00:05:10 Then hey, fuck us, right? Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. We're gonna watch the movie Saving Private Ryan. That will be the exciting and fun-filled film with which we launch our war movie watching project. A film that maybe more than anything makes us confront what a poor idea the whole project is.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Now I think the movie that will do that is Shindler's List in episode two. I don't think that's gonna be a good episode two. I'm going out on a limb. Yeah, that, uh, that the record show episode two is not Schindler's list. I think the like, the, you know, we're saving that for a live show, right? Right. Nothing puts asses and seats like a grim depiction of one of the most unspeakable acts of cruelty ever visited on humans by other humans. I believe that was a part of Leonard Maltens review was nothing puts asses and seats like Shindler's list.
Starting point is 00:06:19 Is it the same Shindler that makes the elevators? I don't know. Is that that was an elevator sometimes? I thought that was Tyson Crop, Tyson Coep or something. Oh, I don't know what that is. Ben, I used to, in high school, I took a foreign language class, that language was German.
Starting point is 00:06:42 It was a, it was a class. It was a class in which you were given something called culture credits. Culture credit was a point system reward in which you earned credits based on German cultural experiences that you would have. So if you could prove that you had a landieger in your pocket to the Yeah, the preparation or consumption of German food was was a qualification for getting a point. Yeah, watching a movie with German subtitles also of a way to get points. Like watching watching like lethal weapon two with German
Starting point is 00:07:21 subtitles was a was a creditable action. It was indeed. Yeah. Yeah. When I was in French class in high school I made a video called Quason, a Véc Benjamin. And it was like a cooking show that I did in broken friendships. If I had to guess the name of a film that you made as a student, that would have come pretty close. It would have been in your top 10 guesses. Yeah, I would have gotten there in less than 10. I still have a tape of that somewhere. It's like the telltale heart.
Starting point is 00:08:01 It's like beating in a box in my office. And I'm always conscious of it, no matter where I am in the world, I'm conscious of it being there. Well, next time I visit, I hope to see it. Yeah, fortunately, it's on a now defunct format, so it'd be pretty hard to dig it out. Well, to finish my anecdote, no one has ever said that they watch Shindler's List
Starting point is 00:08:31 more than the students of this class, who basically used it for points, like bi-weekly, like yep, watch Shindler's List again, give me another culture credit point. And really, like, a teacher is going to be reticent to press a student on their proof
Starting point is 00:08:54 of repeated watchings of that movie. Because like, it's so sad. Like, what did you get this time out of it? It's just a way to ruin the rest of your day. So it's like you just say that you watch that movie, you get the check off of the point, and then that would be that, a real conversation enter. It's a culture credit.
Starting point is 00:09:16 This is precisely the kind of thing that led to Trump being elected. It's a, look, it was an unfair system. The system was the problem man the system which asked students to To do these very flimsy culture credit tasks Wasn't right and so The light is a government repeatedly about how many you he had he's a mother fucker Rowling was a terrible teacher
Starting point is 00:09:52 Completely subjective in here grading of the students Seriously one of the worst teachers I've ever had and And I'm not gonna bleep out her name. Actually, I should bleep out her name. That's not cool. Oh, Ben, what you and I just tell it stories. For the show, using our Marin Open. That's what the Marin Open's for, right? Do it just for everybody's time.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Much like the title of the episode to come, Ben. Season 1 episode 13 of Deep Space 9. 13 episodes in already. Lucky 13. Episode today is the Storyteller. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. We start with the reveal that the... This is going to come as a major disappointment to you at him, but the Pakuut and the Navaat
Starting point is 00:10:58 are having a disagreement. And so... But who is going gonna mediate that? Obviously Ben Sisko. The Paku and the Navout are having a big disagreement. But one majoring station commander is caught right in the middle. What they should have done is start this episode with the cold open of Cisco attempting to mediate a piece between the two factions in the last episode and it devolving into a knife fight. And then like this is his shot to like get back on top as a as a diplomat. Like this is a redemption story guys. This is that's what that's what this episode needed was like anything anything
Starting point is 00:11:51 I was hoping for like the glimpse at Cisco's dark past with a Back on my planet we used to self-disputes this way and he like breaks a pool queue over his knee Set it in the middle of the room I don't expect you to kill a 15-year-old girl, but if you want those river rights, you'll do what you have to do. The other thing that's going on in the cold open is O'Brien is desperately trying to convince Cisco to let him get out of flying Bashir to Bageor on a runabout. And Cisco is having none of it. So, O'Brien, who is rightfully, at this point, in his life, super creeped out by, by Bashir, gets stuck, uh, basically, ubering him to, to the planet.
Starting point is 00:12:40 I thought we might have gotten another glimpse of lieutenant toast Lieutenant George Priman Starfleet security Yeah, cuz O'Brien O'Brien's like look we got more than six Federation people on the station right and then it's just cricket. He's like now just me I'm the only one that can drive this run about yeah, they're really short staffed right now I mean they were short staffed right now. I mean, they were short staffed in the last episode too. Like the rescue operation for the most important person on Bezier involved two Starfleet officers
Starting point is 00:13:15 and nobody else as far as we could tell. They said they're best too. They sure did. You say they did that. Well, Major Kira and Commander Sisco had down to, uh, to greet the, the leader of the Paku and the door opens in a gray-haired old man steps forward. But then, look, steps aside, and in his place steps a young woman. So, I guess here in the 24th century young women are being allowed to have political power. The devil you say. You're not even old enough to
Starting point is 00:13:55 drive. She's a very soul, the tetra of the Paco. Of course she has been. What's a tetra? I mean, contextually, she's like the mayor or whatever. She was given the mayorship after her dad died. I guess that's how the mayorship's work. He vacated his seat. She crawled up into it and has been there at a very young age.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Yeah. Like a surprising kind of political leader for the bejorans to have given the fact that they're being considered for entry into the federation. Like are we really doing, like, seats of power pass down from one member of the family to another or, like, wouldn't you have to be, like, a pretty democratic society to get into the federation? Beiju really seems like it seems contemporarily a lot like Earth in which there are just so many little areas, like outlier areas, that have their own weird version of government and their own weird rule of law. In many ways, this is an explanation
Starting point is 00:15:10 of the primitive parts of the Bedurin culture. Yeah. In other ways, it's just a fucking bag full of clown shoes. You need a pretty big bag to hold all those clown shoes been. His clown shoes are very large. Bashir and O'Brien pile into a Winnipego and are heading to Beijor. And we get an extended scene about how awkward it is between them. Like, Bashir is trying to, you know, he's doing all the work in a conversation and O'Brien is just like, I don't want to talk to you, bro. I like, don't, I don't want to be here. I don't want to be around you. And if you
Starting point is 00:15:59 ask me what I'm thinking about, I'm going to tell you the most boring thing I can think of on the spot. I thought a lot during this scene about, you know, it's just after the holiday's been. And I think one of the movies that I watch most often during the last month is Plains, Trains and Automobiles, which is like a great exploration into the politics of an unwilling road trip. I was having a perfectly nice trip until you walked into my life. You know, like between two people, two different people. Yeah. And it's weird like how, how caustic and broad,
Starting point is 00:16:35 and occasionally not broad at all, candy and Martin play their characters, and how narrowly Bishir and O'Brien act, act out their own animus for each other. You know? Like, we don't really get open war with them in a way that I think would be way more interesting. Like, it's almost as if, as if they're obeying the Jean Roddenberry precept about, like, not having conflict between Federation people?
Starting point is 00:17:07 It would be okay if they were openly hostile with each other, but they don't even come close to that. The thing is, it just spent the last two hours alone together in this runabout, and you've hardly said a word to me the whole time. Really? I had noticed. I think Bashir isn't even really picking up on what's going on. Like, like he's... There's an obliviousness to this year that sort of like it unlocks the whole thing for him
Starting point is 00:17:30 for his character for me in this scene, which is like, he doesn't grasp his own power because for him who outranks O'Brien to ask him a question like, do I annoy you? Is wildly inappropriate because he doesn't understand that a subordinate could never answer that question honestly. Yeah, it's, how do I answer this in a way that is honest and or not insulting?
Starting point is 00:17:59 Like, when my parents were visiting recently and when they were leaving, my mom was like, hey, I bet you're glad to have us out of your hair, huh? And I was like, don't, like, never even set that up as a premise in a conversation. Because you're not gonna like the answer and it just puts me in a really awkward position. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I mean, the way this is done right is when you're Jellico. Jellico did it right. He was like, let's just drop the ranks. I think you're a son of a bitch. Like, that's how you do it. Bishier never drops rank and that's the main problem. Yeah, so they get to this town. And I guess the mission that they've been told
Starting point is 00:18:43 is that this town is being threatened with total destruction and that's kind of all they know but they know it's like a medical thing so I guess they're assuming that this is some kind of like outbreak hot zone like maybe they go in and in hazmat suits. That'd be cool. They just drop a Daisy cutter from the runabout. Problem solved. Episode over. Boy, we haven't had a cut to end music in a long time then.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Yeah, that felt good. It's good to play the hits every so often. Yeah. It's an oldie but a goodie. They're like, guys, you gotta meet this old man. This old man's job the entire time has been saving us from destruction every year on the day. This thing comes at us, threatens to kill us,
Starting point is 00:19:43 and this old man saves us. It's a good deal for us except he's sick. Have you guys ever read the children's book, Abby Yo-Yo? The old people used to tell stories about the giants that lived in the old days. I mean, like our whole village is kind of like that in a lot of ways. Anyways, let's introduce you. Here's the crazy thing about this. We've never called for help about this
Starting point is 00:20:05 problem before. Nobody from outside of this little tiny village knows about this crazy thing that happens here. No science has ever been done on this situation. And so Bashir and O'Brien are introduced to this old man, this old bedwritten man whose name is Sarah, known for being a little more bland than a Cabernet pin. Mm-hmm. Sort of a good brazing wine, I'd say. A little spicier and less fruity than a pino. Yeah, you don't want to appear that with big spicy red meat. You want to dial that back.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Yeah, and this dude is clinging to death and he's like, where is the person that the prophets have sent me? And he looks at Bashir's skin on his hand and is like, nope, too dark, get me the white. He bring O'Brien over and he looks at him and he's like, yeah, you'll do. One of the most openly racist things that I've ever seen in Star Trek.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Like it's a tone of honor. This is just like holy shit. Like there's a guy standing there in later hose into like fully cement how racist this situation. What the hell? He's totally like, he's totally peak old. He's he's laid up in a craftmatic adjustable He's watching nothing but headline news morning noon at night, and he's like nope. This guy's an a-rab The thing is he's got a handler right this? This old guy, Sarah, has got like, who, who, who, who, who, who, who,
Starting point is 00:21:47 He's got a petite Sarah, if you will. He's got a successor who's sort of like, hanging out in the periphery. That's kind of, he's a, guy kind of looks like if Fred Armason and Rob Schneider had a child together. That's what this guy looks like. Oh, sure, yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:04 He's the one hanging out in the later hose in Adam. Oh Brian doesn't really take this too seriously. He's like, sure, whatever old man, like whatever you raise a son of a bitch, like we're not gonna be here long enough to do anything about your problem anyway. Like you're talking about these sky monsters, like raining hellfire down on you. Like I'd like to see that. Yeah. Like they sort of write him off as a cook.
Starting point is 00:22:26 Yeah. I mean, and the old man, like, very convincingly plays the role that he has here as, like, you know, he, like, has the crazy eyes and like, is saying things that they don't understand. But then, you know, the second you put a wooden stick in his hand and put him on top of a craggly rock while a storm is raging around him, it's like, whoa! He, uh, you know what, he plays big really well and it's because he was the citerian in TNG, Ben. You remember that guy?
Starting point is 00:23:01 Oh, shit! When they took the ship way out there like way out there like whoa He was the guy that uh that that popped up on the bridge the Traffler that took them there was that how that went yeah, right at the Cytheirian Did the Cytheirian bring them there with with Barkley is that what that episode is? Oh Man they're all they're all just sort of a with uh... with barkley is that with that episode is oh man they're all they're all just sort of uh... all the these uh... these citerian storylines to sort of just uh...
Starting point is 00:23:32 uh... spray in my mind yeah it's uh... blurring together I'm losing focus you can every stop is a picture of the truth by the truth all the historical
Starting point is 00:23:44 all the best from truth. Well, back on a Dirt Space Nern, the talks, like Cisco's ideas, like we're going to get these talks started in kind of an informal way. We'll just have a hang like this morning before like the formal peace conference starts later today. And so he gets the tetrarch and her counterpart from...
Starting point is 00:24:07 What are they called the navat? Yeah. And they get together. And the navat guy is like a grumpy old middle-aged man. Like, you know, looks like a guy that you have to work for at your first job who's really pissed off that he's not higher up in the company who just loves bossing around 15 year olds Yeah, and just sort of great casting because that's what he gets to do
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yep The center of the dispute that these two people have is that they have like an ancient peace treaty that establishes that some river is the dividing line between their territories, but oblivious to this treaty, the Cardassians, when they controlled Bejor, diverted the river to do some irrigation project or whatever. Because of that, the Pacu wound up with a whole bunch more land than they were, than the spirit of the treaty meant for them to have, but the letter of the treaty defends their point.
Starting point is 00:25:11 So, you know, that's why they are in such disagreement. Pretty low stakes. Yeah. It's low stakes, but like the implication is that they could go to war over this, right? It's 20 kilometers of land. That's the dispute. I mean, I'm an ignorant American.
Starting point is 00:25:36 I don't really have a great sense of what 20 kilometers of land means. I have no idea. That could be my backyard for all I know. Is that 20 square kilometers or 20, did the river move over 20 kilometers? Is it like thousands of square kilometers because they like hundreds of miles of the river moved over several miles? Is it like a Kessel run to Parsex equation situation? I don't think we can fully understand this. Yeah. And we not supposed to? No, yeah, it's really like the terms of the dispute are established and then quickly like forgotten about.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Because what this girl is really here to do is be the object of affection for Nag. Jake and Nag are like up to no good hanging around on the promenade and they finally pay off the the rich tapestry of storytelling of Of jake and nag looking at bejoren girls When when this perfect bejoren girl appears. Yeah, got real nice hair at him. I see what they see in her She's real pretty and she's real smart and she's powerful.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Yeah, I don't think that they ever quite figure out that she is powerful. They treat her like a contemporary. They treat her like a kid. Yeah, and that's got to like, you can see her really appreciating that in scenes. She talks a lot of shit later in the episode to Cisco about like, oh, I was just using them to learn about you. But really, I think heavy lies the crown and she was happy to have some knuckleheads to divert her attention while she's in the midst of this stressful-ass conference. Ben, one way in which my attention was diverted was, I guess I'm just gonna come out and say it, Ben,
Starting point is 00:27:27 there is a problem with Jixisco W slash R slash T, Nuck. And I think we just need to put it out there. It's almost, it's almost because of the actor's age, Nuck which should not be mentioned. Like, Nuck, Nuck which should, which should go unregarded, but for the idea that his Nuck is front and center
Starting point is 00:27:49 and basically every scene. They really, he has more costume changes than anyone else on the show. He has like, he has eight onesies, none of which have belts. All of them have like, empire wastes
Starting point is 00:28:03 and are like, Nuck form fitting. You got to put the kid in some longer shirts that cover up the knuck. Ben, I don't understand it. Why are they doing this to him? I don't know. I mean, like they have kind of an established look for kids that they are inheriting from TNG, which is everybody is basically in like space pajamas.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Give the kid a cod piece though You know Yeah, so that he looks more like you know like a superhero or something. I Mean it would be it'd be less weird than what we're getting Yeah, like it's not flattering. No, no, I at least gets to wear like pantaloons and blouses so that, you know, he doesn't have like undue knuck. It's, it's a troubling amount of knuck, Ben. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a troubling amount of knuck
Starting point is 00:28:57 and it's like, I don't understand, like the thing that really, this is mind blowing. How could no one else see this? Like, we're not the only ones to see this. They're actually, wardrobe is designing a costume. Yeah. And they know what this looks like. When you go in for a fitting, you like
Starting point is 00:29:14 stand in front of a mirror. You often like, pictures in a bunch of different looks. And then like the director signs off on one. What the fuck? Like, how do they not go like, oh well his dork is poking out in a distracting way in the middle there. So not this one. That seems like an easy call. That's an easy call to make. It's red pen X over the neck. No. And then just keep-
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Starting point is 00:30:05 Yeah, they're, yeah. You don't want to throw good nut money after bad. I mean, and this is SD. Yeah. They're, they're lighting this in profile. They're pronouncing the NUC. Here's the conspiracy theory, Adam. They've said that not enough people bought the Blu-ray edition of TNG, so that's why I
Starting point is 00:30:35 note DS9 HD remaster. What our theory presupposes is, maybe they're conscious of the fact that they might all be sent to jail for the knuck situation when a higher resolution is brought to light on the character of Jake Cisco. Hey, hey costume designers, why don't you take a seat over there? And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? Why did you show up to work today with a six pack of Bacardi Breezers and a pizza from round table? What is that about?
Starting point is 00:31:17 I feel like we had to talk about it. Like, it's the knuck in the room, Ben. We had to talk about it and hopefully we will we will just never talk about it again It's it's it's been referred to it's in it's in the log. Yeah, I mean knuck what should not be mentioned I will fucking guarantee you that we will get some concern trolling for the fact that we discussed it Always do always Hey listen, I know you guys are normally like really cool on these issues, but... What's the other thing that we get?
Starting point is 00:31:49 It's not concerning, it's almost the exact opposite. People say that we're doing too much virtue signaling. Oh no, they say you do too much virtue signaling, man. No one ever makes that accusation of me. Which in a weird way, like, makes me feel bad. Like as if I'm less virtuous than you. never makes that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... that... I don't know what's going on. We're doing some heavy knuck signaling. That's what we're doing this episode Here's enough to it Ben. I'm touching all the titles. I'm licking them all lick those titles Adam What do you drink it buddy? I just finished I went down to the nerdy beer store in my neighborhood. I just finished one called the noble
Starting point is 00:32:43 ill works fun light which is a light beer from a nerdy beer beer producer and now I'm gonna be drinking a Co-let farmhouse ale from great divide brewery in Denver, Colorado. Oh Like a Denver beer. Yeah. I'm drinking a beer from the alchemist in Vermont, known to be some very great beers.
Starting point is 00:33:14 We brought them back from Vermont when my wife and I attended friend of the pod, grants wedding over there. Hey. Ben, have you ever brought beer home from a trip and then had the beer explode in a checked bag? Because that's what happened to us. That wasn't fun.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Yeah, I really just never put anything explosive in a checked bag. I'm drinking one of the two farmers' daughters that we brought back, the other farmers' daughter, don't exploded. Yeah, it's like that classic joke where the traveling salesman has to spend the night in the barn and the farmer says, don't explode my daughters is the only rule. It's such a classic. Yeah. But here in O'Brien are down on this planet and the storm picks up.
Starting point is 00:34:23 We are ready. planet and the a storm picks up. We already. This is the the visit of the Dal Rock that happens for five consecutive nights once a year in this village. And they helped this racist old cute down from his deathbed to hobble out to the to the like promontory in the middle of town. And like Moses in a Bible picture from the 30s. He stands up there with the wind whipping around and the bad green screen key on the potted plants behind him. Could it be some kind of holographic image? Yeah, I'm not picking up any power source.
Starting point is 00:35:03 This guy overhead is this big milky blob, which is not really what they described. They said that there was a monster that lived in the woods and it would come out of the woods and kill people or whatever. Instead, it's like space being that looks like milk and oil or something. It's sub-negilim level of sex work here.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Yeah, and the effects work is not going to get better over the course of the scene. It's gonna get worse because he whips the people into a frenzy like 1984, you know, the hate at noon and they're like beaming, beaming like a rays of love out of their, out of their noggins at this cloud. And then, and it's like, it's like receding into the sky and then old man catches a heart attack.
Starting point is 00:35:55 He goes down and the cloud goes back to full strength and starts taking pot shots at things. It's like it's shooting beams of light into the village and actually causing some destruction. The stakes seem existential. And yet, I never felt like they weren't any danger. You know? Like, if this thing had the power to kill them all, again, like this is the backup problem that this show frequently runs into, like, Bashir and O'Brien should do the responsible thing and call for backup.
Starting point is 00:36:39 But they never do. This is a crystalline entity level threat. Right. I guess they're looking at this old guy and they're like, well, if this guy can fight him off, like, we should be all right. Yeah, one thing that's pretty funny that the one of the townspeople says is like, he's the only one strong enough to fight them thing off and they just take that, they just take his word for it. Like you're all weaker than this man who's dying on this bed. Which makes the idea of Old Man Merlot
Starting point is 00:37:09 bequeathing this task to O'Brien. Sort of medium insulting. Yeah. He's like, you look like a guy who doesn't want to go home. Just stay here and fight off this lava lamp. Yeah. But they help the old man up and he gets people back whipped into a frenzy and they,
Starting point is 00:37:32 they're like, fuck you, cloud, fuck you. And the old man yells at cloud. And the rainbow glitter light kills the cloud and the rainbow glitter light kills the cloud and the alt-cheer and emits their referee, the old man, bails out once more and Dr. Bashir declares him dead on the spot. He kind of eats shit on the side of this mountain. It doesn't look like a stunt man. If it's the old man doing a practical fall, it looks somewhat painful.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Yeah, he goes down pretty hard. Good thing he's wearing all those blankets. The guy that is the mayor of the village or something is like, well, don't worry everybody because while this guy died, he left us a successor and here he is, chief of Brian. Oh Brian is like one finger down the collar, shirt. Oh I'm going to dread calling home at the end of this work day. Yeah. Miles, why aren't you home yet?
Starting point is 00:38:53 Well these people turn me into their god. Bottle god now. So back on the station on what is really our A story, a plan is hatched, a plan between this is like the most insane pairing of two stories to be told in parallel by the way. Like if you're telling two stories in parallel, usually like you kind of try and make them like be thematically related and have interesting valences and things to say about each other. Not this episode. It's like the A story looks at the B story
Starting point is 00:39:31 and is like, hold my beer, we can be less important than that. Jake and Nogsy Vera Soule, like in their old, you know, balcony spot, you know, kicking her legs over the side. Bein' all sad teenager about things. They're like, hey, if it was anything but a pretty girl, we'd be pissed that she's in her spot, but this is great. Right. And, uh, Nog is like, hey, you want to have a little fun? I got a great idea. Let's go steal Odo's bucket. Mr. Pumpkin.
Starting point is 00:40:05 There's not to be the only thing that is redeeming this episode is that this is a great prank. Complete disagree, Ben. Virusul has no idea of Odo's bucket significance. Doesn't know Odo. Doesn't even know Jake and Knock. And yet she's like, yeah, I'm super bored about about being on the precipice of war I'm gonna go do this prank with these two strangers So because Adam are you telling me that you're not familiar with the phenomenon of adolescent boys Trying to impress girls by doing things that they don't realize are going to be Insanely off-putting two girls. Oh, yeah. I, I, I am become that.
Starting point is 00:40:52 All your dog are belong to us. Nog still one of the, one of the honey sticks out of, out of Quark's bar that allows him to open up any door in the station. Sneaks in there and grabs Odo's bucket and does like a little bit of physical comedy. He likes this. Does the trip and fall and spills what he says to be Odo's liquid body all over Jake. A liquid body which has taken the form of wet oatmeal. It's oatmeal! I filled it from the replicator! My wife was eating oatmeal this morning and said,
Starting point is 00:41:35 hmm, I'd really missed oatmeal. I said, that is not a sentiment I will ever express. I missed you oatmeal. I missed you so much. Would you put oatmeal in my bucket? It puts the oatmeal in the bucket. It puts the oatmeal in the bucket whenever it is told. Jake rubs the oatmeal on his skin. Or else he gets even more oatmeal again.
Starting point is 00:42:10 He is positively covered in this oatmeal pen. Yeah. One of the eight Jake jumpsuits that he's been issued. Probably this one's probably going to get thrown in the dumpster. Yeah. I feel like he had like a different jumpsuit when they hatched the plan too. Like, yeah, I'm looking at it now. He's in a purple jumpsuit when they hatch the prank plan and then when they do the prank, he's in a green jumpsuit. So it was like cool idea dog. I'm going to head to my room and just do a quick wardrobe change change But I'll meet up with you guys at the security office. All you viewers who write in saying we don't care about this show. We don't pay attention
Starting point is 00:42:54 That's some that's a hard core knowledge right there different jumpsuits. Yeah jumpsuit gate laid bare jumpsuit gate 2018 they're they're laughing about this and, you know, Nog reveals that he just filled the bucket up in the replicator and then, how does Nog know what oatmeal is? Also, like he should have no idea what oatmeal is. Yeah, that would be a fun little, like,
Starting point is 00:43:21 I would love to discover that there was a deleted scene of nag like consulting with the computer. Like, what's a viscous substance that I can get a bunch of? That's a great idea. What would you, hey, Ben. What would you have filled the bucket up with? You're at the replicator, you have five seconds to make a decision, what's it gonna be?
Starting point is 00:43:44 I'm going with honey, because, because, I mean, that's what Odo looks like when he's melty. I am going with blood, and sort of a, and sort of a carry scene, right? I'm gonna do a carry call back. Fill that bucket with blood. Oh yeah, when Odo is in his bucket, he's blood. Was there blood in the bucket before? It is a blood bucket, so yeah, there Odo is in his bucket, he's blood. Was there blood in the bucket before?
Starting point is 00:44:06 It is a blood bucket, so yeah, there was all blood. I mean, here's, there's a subtext to Jake and Nog's friendship here, which is sort of like there, which is that they're sort of in competition for various tools of affection. Yeah. And Nog is sort of like this whole pratfall, is it an attempt to ugly up Jake in a way that makes him unattractive? What's more ugly than blood?
Starting point is 00:44:28 You cover Jake with that blood, I think the battle is won for Team Knock. Yeah, and also it would be harder for Jake to get a handful of the blood and throw it back, which he does with the oatmeal. Like if you were a set dresser, this is like your nightmare, right? You get two child actors throwing oatmeal around your set. Like just out of frame, you know there's a bunch
Starting point is 00:44:52 of viscouille on the carpet, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gold to cut. The cut. Gold to cut. So I think this is a great prank because not leads Jake and I think this is a great prank because Nugg leads Jake and Varys to believe that this is going to be a prank on Oda. When in fact, it is a prank on Jake and the prank goes great. J.K. Nugg's a dick though, right? Any prank that results in a clothing change? I think that's a dick prank.
Starting point is 00:45:23 I think when your best friend is Jake Sisko, guy who changes outfits in between ideas. Like that's not that big of a problem for him. Oh this, I have 20 more of them back in my quarters. They also have the same amount of knuck. Yeah. But Nog gets caught orange-handed by Commander Sisko as he attempts to flee the scene and Odo and Sisko kind of converge on the security office and it's pretty clear that they're all
Starting point is 00:45:59 in a heap of trouble. Less so for Vera's soul, I think. She's a diplomat and she's not from the station like if anyone's gonna get away scat free It's gonna be her mm-hmm. Yeah well back on the Surface of planet Bayjor in the most isolated town of all time Chief O'Brien newly minted Sarah of town is getting like gifts of gold, frankincense, and murder brought to him.
Starting point is 00:46:28 And if that wasn't enough, they also bring him the three town prostitutes apparently. And he has to explain like, oh yeah, no, I'm a married man. And they're like, oh, get out of here, hookers. Do you want us to like call your wife and get her down here because you're gonna be living here forever now? He's like, no, God, please, do not call her. He begins sort of apologetically like, it pains me to say this, but I do have a wife.
Starting point is 00:47:10 There is nothing more than I'd like than to start over with your hair. Get a fresh start. That's what I'd like to do. These girls all look like people that now get Jake would subject to the male gaze as they attempted to walk around in public on Deep Space 9 and And for that, they should be applauded. Way to keep it classy, O'Brien. But sheer sort of like angel and devil on O'Brien's shoulders is like, don't you understand? These girls are for you, man.
Starting point is 00:47:38 And if you don't want to take them, I'm sick and in line. Yeah. And O'Brien is like, well, Julian, like your creepiness is well known to everybody, but I'm not quite sure that's how it works. Your creepiness is legendary. So they got like a little bit of a mystery here. They're like, okay, like we were, we were rolling tricorders the entire time that crazy cloud came out last night and we were getting nothing.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Like, no evidence of an atmospheric despair and disturbance. Like, the cloud itself didn't show up on our sensors. And yet, it was like, shoot, it was licking shots in the atmosphere and like, you know, taking chunks out of buildings and stuff. So something happened. So there must be something up here. And, and they're trying to like look into it. And O'Brien is like, Hey, Ben, do you think we'll ever find out what's up?
Starting point is 00:48:33 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. O'Brien is like tearing the Saras apartment apart, trying to find the crap that is causing this. And Petit Saras sneaks in and is like, hey man, sorry, I got to do this, but you're not the rightful Saras I am. And he whips out a knife and they're like a struggle where he's attempting to knife chief O'Brien to death and Julian Bashir enters and and manages to rest the knife out of the guy's hand and they're like instead of just arresting him and putting him away for the attempted murder of an off-world
Starting point is 00:49:28 military officer, they're like, why did you try to kill me? In case you had any question about the level of indignity that O'Brien's willing to broke from anyone. This guy tried to kill him and he continues to walk the street a free man. Yeah. But so what he reveals is that the the the Del Rock is a is not so much a real monster as a fictional device that was invented by one of his predecessors, the first Sura. This town was full of assholes who I guess wanted to kill each other,
Starting point is 00:50:13 and he united them around a common enemy in the Del Rock by using a fragment of a profit orb, which is taken in the form of a jewel in a bracelet. By focusing the power of this jewel, he created this enemy and then got them all to commonly hate this enemy. He used a classic populist political ploy coupled with Prophet Magic to get this town working together. Prophet Magic sounds like a certain tax plan we know, Ben. Something DOO economics. Voodoo economics. Letters, we get letters. We get letters every goddamn week. And so, like, this is where this episode really kind of betrays the values of Trek to me. Because, like, this is the part?
Starting point is 00:51:20 Well, like, it's a bad episode, but that's not alien to Trek. What is alien to track is going like, oh, you use lies and illusions and risk people's lives with alien technology you're not fully in control of in order to enforce a political reality. Like we'll do everything in our power to help you continue this project. Like that is insane. Yeah, they shouldn't do that especially because this thing is dangerous, right? Like it hurts people every year. It's not can people off mountains, it's killing old people.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Yeah. Like, this is a real threat that they've conjured. And instead, like, like, in a universe where Captain Picard is like unwilling to to like plant ideas with the muntacans of his deity so that they can like cover up the fact that Starfleet was there spying on them. In this in this episode O'Brien like puts on a dashiki and goes out there and attempts to be for these people what the Saraw was. Chief O'Brien. Occasionally, I will go up into the atmosphere of my planet. It's the only place that I have total privacy to
Starting point is 00:52:46 jerk off. Occasionally I would... As a doubt, I produce a value of ejector that is probably quite alarming to you as a human being. and be on one of my more recent enjoyment of my own body. I managed to steer my Dowd Gism towards Bageor, where it manifested itself on the mountain tap. Where you couldn't currently reside.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Most are powerless to stop it. Reshann was unable to have children, therefore her womb was the only thing able to stop my fierce jishram. Perhaps you're Dishikki has a Rishan room level defense mechanism that can save your Tamish people. Well, well, O'Brien is badly. Kevin's trying to make space babies like in 2001, right? What if he's just he's just shooting it all around, Ben? Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to spread my sheet far and wide. This is a part of my life where I've decided to take advantage of the fact
Starting point is 00:54:18 that I don't have a monogamous relationship time with you. So my wild oats. It just so happens that my oats are very, very dangerous. Unlike the oats in the buckets that Nugflung on Takes this go in this episode. Mine got g cause buildings to collapse because women and children to die and yet they must be shown. It takes a bucket to size of a cement mixture to contain my own.
Starting point is 00:55:04 You show me a chief of security that needs a bucket that big, I'll show you somebody that can maybe stand up to a doubt. Well, this episode got a whole lot better once we made a canonical doubt. Yeah, yeah. Big improvement. Beguard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard. Exactly. When O'Brien is up there kind of fumbling through his attempt to whip the crowd into the kind of frenzy they need to be in to shoot
Starting point is 00:55:52 their rainbow glitter beam at the daugishm. Bashir turns to petite Sura and it's like, hey, I've spent a time or two in a writer's room and I would say that like the really obvious thing that is going on here is that your failure as a Sura was a problem and that the racist old man you're like planted this bumbling full up here so that you could take over for him and prove your worth to these rustics that you're going to be the sara for for the rest of your career. So why don't you run up there, grab the bracelet and take over for my buddy because he is clearly dying on his feet up there. And so up the guy goes, he
Starting point is 00:56:47 does a great job really, you know, really gets the crowd on his side. They start chanting that he is the Sura and not O'Brien and O'Brien is like great because that was not my bag. Anyways guys, we're out of here. You can keep the the dashiki nice meeting all of you bye what the fuck happened oh Brian had a nice little adventure yeah fun little time for oh Brian did you like this episode been well we got a little button Adam oh I skipped I skipped at the end't I? Yeah. So the whole thing with what's her face meeting nag is that she like gets some some fringy wisdom which is like, oh, you shouldn't be approaching this negotiation as like we will not brook any secession of land to our enemies, but instead, let's use this as leverage and get
Starting point is 00:57:49 something from them that we want. We don't care about this land, but they really do. It's something trading rights with regard to the river or something and She like expresses some embarrassment for being involved in the bucket caper to Commander Cisco and she's off and There's like an interesting bit of like because You and I don't care about the decision that she comes to the episode doesn't care about the decision that she comes to. The episode doesn't care about the decision that she comes to. It's more about the lesson that the decision teaches. Right.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Which Cisco is advice to Vera Sol is like, no is less risky than yes, but sometimes saying yes is the only way to win anything. So maybe take a risk on yes. She's like, I'm going to try that. That's great. Yeah. She's like, I'm gonna try that. That's great. Yeah. So, and then the button on the episode is Bashir and O'Brien,
Starting point is 00:58:51 like getting off, you know, coming out of the airlock and they're now a lot closer as comrades, you know, they've been through a thing together and uh oh Brian it's like hey man like don't spread that crazy story around because I am not uh not fond of what happened down there. Do you think he left his dysfiki on the runabout? No he lives he he doesn't even give it to petite sara he leaves it piled up on the rock
Starting point is 00:59:24 I was like what the fuck are you doing? Like, the thing to do in that scene is like drape the cape around the guy. Like, like he's fucking James Brown, because he is. You've got a mintock and tapestry that shit. You get a drape it over your office chair as a reminder of the growth that you went through. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:43 That's the other thing you could do. Yeah. Then one thing I noticed in this scene that now I can't unsee is there's a step to the airlock that heads to the runabout. Yeah. And that step comes to a point. It is shaped like a triangle. And it comes to a very sharp point that sticks out
Starting point is 01:00:03 like two feet from the doorway. Yeah. That thing is a shin killer, man. Yeah. People have got to be getting killed on that thing. Yeah, that's not uh, that is not Oshav proved. The Kardashians don't have good accessibility built into their designs. Not at all. Well, the question I couldn't wait to ask you earlier, Ben, was, did you like this episode?
Starting point is 01:00:27 I like talking about it. I like to make it fun. This is one of those, isn't it? Yeah. You know, I think it's a tried and true first season of a Star Trek show situation to be like, oh, like the last episode we showed you some real potential and now we are going to squander all of that. It was just such a silly episode it was so uh... it was ridiculous it was like it didn't know what universe it took place in.
Starting point is 01:01:03 It was unintentionally funny I, in a number of parts. And when it tried to be funny, it wasn't funny to me. Like the bucket prank, eh, like, I don't know. Star Trek doesn't do slapstick very well. Yeah, I guess not. But unintentionally funny was O'Brien and the Dishikki. That's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Did you like the episode Adam? I like opportunities given to O'Brien to grow the character. Like fish out of water is a fun genre for me. O'Brien is a good personification of that when he's given the opportunity. Kalamini well acted in that role. Super fun.
Starting point is 01:01:48 But like I wish the part of the episode that I wish was more toothsome was the was how argumentative I had hoped Bishir and O'Brien would be on this mission. But they never were. It was mostly like Bishir pointing out things that O'Brien was too dumb to notice right and At no point did O'Brien be like shut the fuck up this year like I know these reconcubines like I've seen Concubines before that's basically all I do in the hollow suites is like piles of Concubines. Yeah, so I don't know like I want that to either come do it I wanted to come do ahead and then like reveal a deeper friendship
Starting point is 01:02:27 But I don't feel like the show is willing to go there at this point Well, do you want to check our priority one messages see if there's anything in there? I know we got some of that Priority one message from star flees coming in on secured channel Need a supplement on secure channel. Need a supplement on. supplement on? supplement.
Starting point is 01:02:45 supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, our first priority one message is from the Ghost of Bingo channel through Curstar Shrimp Colgare. Shh. What are you writing about?
Starting point is 01:03:01 The message is for mock and mic. But mostly mock. Hmm. Message goes like this, and in parentheses it says in voice of Bob Vila after 20 bud lights please. Heh! That should be no problem for you tonight. Oh Mark, I see you getting out of your car there. Let me talk to you for a minute.
Starting point is 01:03:24 The neighborhood has gone down hill after you left. After you and the small guy and the other two moved out. It's put me into a deep-dacked depression. But since you bowed my truck at one time, I need you to do me a favor. See, that's not about Vila impression. Let's say this old house impression. Yeah. I can't do... I don't have I can't do I don't have a Vila I don't have a Vila in my tool belt. Yeah, I think I think this is what they were asking for Well, that's what they get I think a lot of
Starting point is 01:03:56 Focus has been put on resin plavee where Mike mock and shrimp coal-gar Deserve more attention. I agree. Give me more Mike and Mock. Yeah. Give me a little more Gooch for that matter. Sure. Well Gooch is always in the team. Razz P1s, right?
Starting point is 01:04:18 Et 2 Gooch. There's nothing you feel betrayed by Gooch? Because there hasn't been a P1 in like four episodes or something. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm turning the camera right now. I'm looking at you Gooch. Hahaha It's time for you to go solo. Anyone known as the Gooch? Should be sending their own priority one messages. I'm calling you out. Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Fair enough. I had a more second priority one message. This episode is from Richard and it's Fort Yvonne. It goes like this. To she who is my wife, despite your love of sci-fi versus my fantasy, comic books versus computer games, and different star universes, We've managed to coexist without much blood said for many years now. I love you and I hope you enjoy this late Christmas present. Adam and Ben, thanks for consuming all my wife's attention. Let's eat some Korean barbecue. Hey, I'm always down for some KBBQ. Hey, anytime you want to invite your favorite podcasters for kbb
Starting point is 01:05:27 throw it out there yeah we we will Disappuse you of your star wars fandom post-saced I will suspend any awkward feelings I have about dining with strangers If it's over the fire of a Korean barbecue bin, we pick the venue though. Sure. Yeah. We don't want to show up at some strip mall Korean barbecue place and find that it's been carefully set decorated to be a trick for killing us. We have extremely high Korean barbecue standards.
Starting point is 01:06:03 And we are unwilling to lower them. Yeah, exactly. Well, if your standards for messaging are as high as ours, as high as the standards that Ben and I have for Korean barbecue, you can do no better than sending a priority one message. You can do that at the going to maximumfund.org slash jumbo-tron, where you can once there reach the tens of thousands of viewers we have for this show. You have an idea or a message you want to get out to
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Starting point is 01:08:17 neck. But I'm hearing we need to get on this arc. We've got to get on the arc. It is about to rain. Got us about to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans, but we're actually, we're podcasters. Yes, probably. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so, seem like something for us to check out.
Starting point is 01:08:40 We would love to be on the boats. We came to by two. What do you think? Ono Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? [♪ DRUMMEDO BOOM! DRUMMEDO BOOM! DRUMMEDO BOOM! [♪ I did find a drunk Shimoda, Ben. My drunk Shimoda is Dr. Julian Bashir who
Starting point is 01:09:07 Who like is sort of supposed to be instrumental to this mission like oh Brian's supposed to be the fucking driver Yeah, like he's the uber driver Bashir's supposed to be doing all the heavy lifting It takes five minutes of being on the planet service for Bashir to just basically be quip guy. Like... Like, not gonna save this old man's life, there's no medicine for me to do out here. I am just gonna make fun of Chifo Bryan, a guy who I'm fairly certain hates me, but I'm gonna make fun of him anyway.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Yeah. Like, how far would he allow things to go for his amusement? Was it thought that I had while watching this episode? Because like, O'Brien's in real danger multiple times. Like he saved, he saved him from being stabbed by petite Sera. But like at every other point, he does nothing to disabuse the bejorans from the idea that he's their new deity. Right. He really like, he sort of lays back in the cut and gives petite Sarada the idea about like the the pre-ordained plan for him from the start. Right. But like he's
Starting point is 01:10:17 he's watching O'Brien and laughing for 35 minutes at this episode, like laughing at him, not with him. Yeah, yeah. It made me wonder is Bashir a sociopath? Because the whole reason he, like, he gives Titsarad the idea to save the day, but he only does so when his own life is, is in danger, I feel like. And if that wasn't the case, I think he's willing to see this thing through to the end. I feel like if we were watching an episode of like, and if that wasn't the case, I think he's willing to see this thing through to the end. I feel like if we were watching an episode of, like, it's always sunny in Philadelphia, they would have come up with the idea of faking everybody out so that one of them could look like they saved the day.
Starting point is 01:10:56 Right. Like, ahead of time, you know? And then it would have gone bad because they need to veto, like, busted in wine drunk and ruin the whole thing or whatever. But yeah, like the like the like construction of the story is so it's so weirdly predictable that the Bashir like laying back and just watching it all and cracking wise about it the entire time is a little bit suspicious.
Starting point is 01:11:25 He's totally the Mac of the show because like he doesn't scream at people. Yeah. He kinda lays back in the cut and is very condescending. That's Bishir. Bishir is the Mac of the show. Yeah. Yeah, I think go Brian in this metaphor
Starting point is 01:11:44 is the Charlie I guess. Yeah, I can see that. This is just the janitor that I always kill and rats and take it out garbage. How about you Ben? I'm giving it to petite Sarah. This is another of our famous time stamp charmote. If you go to 26 minutes and 26 seconds, this is just after the mayor guy has like, you know, like they're like, well, we gotta go. And he's like, no, no, like, O'Brien, you live here now. You're the Sarah.
Starting point is 01:12:21 And he's like, well, I don't know anything about being a religious leader. And he's like, well, you just have to tell the story. story like that's all there is to it you just tell the story and and it saves the it saves the town every single time that's how it works and he's like that's all there's to it and he's like kind of like ultimately satisfied by that and so the mayor leaves and petite Sira is like standing the door. And as he walks out, he does that thing of like maintaining eye contact all the way off the edge of the frame, which is like the most threatening shit. And like the only thing that could have made it better if he had gone out of frame and then come back in, still maintaining eye contact. No one has ever left a room maintaining eye contact
Starting point is 01:13:10 and then not attempted to kill you later. No, yeah, like that's a thing. That is, that's like the coughing a blood of I'm gonna kill you later. Right. Oh man, that's a great chariota. What are we up coming up on the next episode, Ben? The next episode is season one episode 14 progress. A stubborn old Bedron farmer.
Starting point is 01:13:33 Of course, Kira. Just take a good look at how much she has changed since her alliance with the Federation. You've changed man. I don't even recognize you anymore. Really? Sintillating topic for an episode. Can't wait. Do you want to find out if we'll be drunk for this one Adam? I want to be drunk for this one. Feels like a good one to be drunk. Roll them bones, Ben. And we got a one atom. Oh, never a! Hell yeah! Drink the antidote! This is actually kind of a problem because we often record two at a time. And that'll be the first of two. So that could really, really pose a problem for us. But that's going to be a drunk episode. Ben that's value for the listener that's what I think. Two for the price of one. Oh man. Very exciting. Indeed. All right well uh that'll
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