The Greatest Generation - All Hat and No Loaf (VOY S3E24)

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

When people start disappearing all over Voyager, their replacements can’t explain why they’re trading places. But by the time the big takeover is revealed, it may be too late for the crew to warm ...up to their new surroundings. Do golfers get tips? Does using the transporter have to feel so itchy? How many credits do you need to shoot a food replicator weapon? It’s the episode that ties a brown ribbon to the trees!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Bringing what is the U.S.S. Board of Directors? Captain Captain, Captain, Bringing what is the U.S.S. Board of Directors? Captain Captain, Captain, Captain, Bringing what is the Board of Directors? Welcome to the greatest generation.
Starting point is 00:02:31 It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are just a little bit of bears. To have a Star Trek podcast, I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika. I almost did the intro to the greatest discovery just there out of instinct because we have, I don't think we've recorded the greatest generation in over a month. Yeah, it's been a while. We built a ton of runway so that we could go on tour. The dust is settling for the most part on that tour.
Starting point is 00:02:58 We landed the tour airplane. And now we're back to it, but but yeah it's been a long time. Inperceptible gap to the people that listen. That imperceptible gap though is what people are saying about the greatest generation while we're out on tour. Not something anyone has ever said about my front teeth but that gap is perceptible as hell. Oh man. Honestly, I don't even see it. I think you look great.
Starting point is 00:03:32 There was a time where it was like a real thing for like a model to have a gap in her two front teeth. Those were my salad days. That's what you modeled yourself after. You gave yourself that gap in a beauty mark. Those are the two things you did. I was just trying to get my modeling career up and running and it's just fucking never worked for me.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Yeah, you pivoted into feet. Yeah. You never look back. The hands and face boys don't understand the kind of pressure us footmen are under. That's true. Hold on, I think I just heard somebody touching my derived store. I want to go double
Starting point is 00:04:07 check that that's not happening. I don't know what that was. I thought for a moment this might devolve into the beginning of a horror film. Because we are looking at each other during on the Slack video. Yeah, and you thought you had heard something at your garage And I thought for a moment like I got really nervous that you were gonna go off camera Right, and I was gonna hear your screams Uh-huh, and then I would have to do the show with some new host right yeah because that's the rule That is the rule when you kill a podcaster you get to take their show and host it for them Yeah, Rob Schulte like walked over from his place and came in and is that who suspect number one would be?
Starting point is 00:04:54 Turning fake true crime into true true crime. This would be like one of those horror movies that was shot and released in the early days of the pandemic. Like, oh, it's all through Zoom. What a crazy concept. Yeah, it'd be a very paranormal activity sort of storyline there to just watch this through the slack. Maybe some new people would listen to our show if it became a true crime series. Yeah, we don't need new people. No, I think we're good with the ones we've got. Fine. Now that we're back from the bulk of our tour, I think this comes out before our Austin
Starting point is 00:05:33 show, right? Now that we're back, it's nice to finally put our feet up, nice to not constantly have to tell our wives we're going to be out of town this weekend again. That got more and more difficult by the week. Tell you what, I mean, that was perceptible, the tension in the household. My dog, I think, was like openly mad at me by the end for leaving and then coming back.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Like, he would be like excited to see me come home, but then he'd be like, all right, he'd piece of shit. My wife is away for the next 10 days on her own work trip, really throwing my work trip in my face. She's like, how do you like that? And now I'm seeing all the many strange ways
Starting point is 00:06:21 Ripley is acting when one of us has gone for a long period of time. She mostly just post up by the front door or the door to the garage. Wow, she's waiting for the inevitable return. Well, she's gonna be waiting a long time. We're not even a quarter of the way through how long she's gonna be away, but can you see her back there? Yeah. Back by the door to the garage behind me.
Starting point is 00:06:42 I feel like I blinked my eyes and she looks like a grown-up dog. She got big while I was away on tour. I came back from tour, Ben. And my kids are grown up. You're like you cycled back from the war. Yeah. And everything's a little bit different in your hometown. Drough past all the brown ribbons tied to the tree when Adam went off to tour.
Starting point is 00:07:05 They symbolize the feats of strength of all the golden brown food we consumed, but also another thing. A lot of beige plates on the road. That's for sure. That's when we could eat it all. That was one of the difficulties that we ran into pretty often. What are we going to eat after the show? How about nothing again?
Starting point is 00:07:26 Yeah. It wasn't all bad on tour, Ben. We got rid of a longstanding thing that we used to do, which was sort of wait around after the show and meet a bunch of the friends at DeSoto after. We weren't able to do that on this tour, but what ended up happening was friends at DeSoto still brought us things and sort of set them on the stage
Starting point is 00:07:44 for us to find. Yeah, I remember taking slugs out of a bottle of strange vodka that was left on stage one night. So I have a few of these objects and I wondered if you'd be up for kind of a different kind of mail call, sort of an after the tour mail call. I'm into it. Let's see what's in these code 47s. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify?
Starting point is 00:08:07 It is code 47, sir. Start lead emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. I'm just gonna kind of go and order of the things that we received. The first thing is this, everything is fucked patch. From our buddy Aaron Reynolds, the effin' bird's guy.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Yeah. We ended up having a fun hang with him around the Toronto show, and he gave us a bunch of fun shwag from his many creative endeavors. Yeah, I have, my everything is fucked patch. It's everything is fucked in the style of the red alert graphics that you see in Star Trek. Right. It would have been our first choice for a Max Fund Drive patch, probably.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Yeah, if we'd thought ahead of time. But I brought those home and I had my, everything is fucked patch and my Max Fund Drive novelty sunglasses sitting on the dining room table in our house. And like the day before the Max Fund Drive started, my wife picked them up and she was like, hey, can I throw this crap away?
Starting point is 00:09:07 I was like, no, I want both of those. I don't want this to turn in a wives be like and husbands be like kind of show, but why is it that I can be asked if I want my shit thrown away, and I could never ask that question in the other direction? I may not presume to throw anything away that isn't mine. In my wife's defense, I did leave that stuff just sitting in a common space. It was in the public space.
Starting point is 00:09:39 And it was on a horizontal surface in her. And like a table that when she works from home, she often sits at the dining table in our house so it was definitely an imposition on my part. That's not the only patch we got on tour Ben we also got these I don't know if you remember these very cool-looking patches. Oh yeah! I do not recall who gave these to us I'm gonna describe them They're sort of oval patches with a C 130 on the front The top lines as LC 130H in the bottom lines is 139 AS and Y ANG and I ran this
Starting point is 00:10:19 information past one of my buddies who flies militarily and I was like, hey, what is the story with these? It looks like a cold weather, Arctic or Antarctic style image. And my buddy actually flies in Antarctica and he said, yeah, those guys fly the C-130s on skis to the pole. Whoa! And to other places. He said ominously. So the ski 130 is what we got and three patches for us, so. Very cool. Pretty neat.
Starting point is 00:10:53 And finally, we got a bag with a couple of coins inside and a note. Oh, somehow the one with the money in it didn't make its way into my suitcase. Interesting. There are two of these. Looks like we've got two coins in each. One coin says, Geospatial Intelligence Agency. What?
Starting point is 00:11:14 United States of America. Wow, and on the back, United States of America, Intelligence Community. You'll have learning about another intelligence agency that the United States has. No kidding. You know what, I'm just gonna say this.
Starting point is 00:11:28 I would rather be a friend to the intelligence community than an enemy. So, I mean. So welcome, all friends of the Soto intelligence community listeners. Yeah, yeah. Do you think anybody has ever tapped into our slack conversations and been like, hmm, this is interesting. I gotta find out how to download whatever podcast these people are recording.
Starting point is 00:11:48 No one would ever drop into our slack and then be moved to listen to our show after that's for sure. There's another coin in here Ben. This is a lot of confidence in how good your federal building looks, there's sort of a picture of a federal building on one side. An embedded photograph in a challenge coin. I've never seen it before. And then on the other side it says, Oh, it's the same group, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, United States of America, and the other side is a photograph of the planet Earth. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Letter goes like this. Dear Adam and Ben, I'm a big fan first time caller and please find two challenge coins each from the intelligence agency that I work for Whoa, we work on space imagery and mapping for the central intelligence agency Defense intelligence agency national security agency National reconnaissance office and the federal Bureau of investigations. Wow Holy shit. Damn. This guy's a fucking spook. I mean that with love.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I wonder if he considers our solar system to be a mapable-ass place or not. Mapable-ass place. Make that navigation safe. Listen to this, Ben. I love your show, and you never fail to make me laugh and smile at your various antics I sing along with the drunk Shimoda drop whenever you do it on your show and I always listen to your shows The day that they drop being a lifelong tracker. Wow Fun there's a few other paragraphs here of personal information
Starting point is 00:13:19 But some really nice things being said by a person whose name I will not say some really nice things being said by a person whose name I will not say. I don't want to blow their cover. Yeah. But it's good to have friends in the intelligence community. I mean, two less intelligent podcast hosts could not be found. I actually have something here from listener. I can't remember who brought this into what show, but somebody brought us both these stakes
Starting point is 00:13:45 that you can put in dirt to reduce your fungus net problem. Oh, yeah, I got a bag of those too. I need to install them. I have to read up on how to do it, because one of them shaped like a bird, another one shaped like a flower. Is it one of them shaped like a fucking bird? Because I think I know who gave that to you, so.
Starting point is 00:14:04 You got mosquito bits in your kit, right? Is it one of them shaped like a fucking bird? Because I think I know who gave that to you, so. Ha ha ha. You got mosquito bits in your kit, right? You got like a slightly different kit. Yeah, different kits for the both of us, but the feeling of gratitude is the same for us both been. I want to like Mr. Wizard, dunk our show into a vessel of liquid, and displace a bunch of it,
Starting point is 00:14:27 to measure its volume. It's Star Trek Voyager Season 3 Episode 24, displaced. Rebirth course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo doots, I'm not turning around. R. I would have gone archa medis for that construction,
Starting point is 00:14:42 but you do, you do, yeah. Mr. Wizard is cool. I'm a dumb. My poll is gonna be Mr. Wizard. Not a member of an intelligence agency over here. No, definitely not. Hey, don't bother interrogating those guys. They really know nothing.
Starting point is 00:15:00 The men who knew too little. Paris and BLT are finishing up a kind of a date, right? Like, they're doing a war fork out. But BLT's only doing it because you lost a bet. Lower Dex does such a great job by actually calling something like this a war fork out, like an in-universe reference to something else. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:22 But Paris has made the mistake of teaching BLT how to golf. Like you can tell, something has gone terribly wrong in the holodeck where he tried to teach her how to swing the batleth. Working with a batleth is an art. You have to use your mind and body. And it did not go well. Is that something that you're not supposed to do?
Starting point is 00:15:40 Because we went to a driving range, you and I, recently with a friend to enjoy an afternoon. And I've swung a golf club a few times in my life, but I'm obviously way worse at it than either of you are. And nobody was giving me any tips. There is sort of a rule in golf, where you do not give unsolicited tips. I asked if either of you had golf tips for me.
Starting point is 00:16:04 I solicited it. No, you didn't. I did. I asked if either of you had golf tips for me. I solicited. No, you didn't. I did. I absolutely did. When I first got up there, I said I have interest to different, and if you have any golf tips. [♪ music playing here Ben, both a friend of the show and you and I Chuck Bryant and I took one look at your golf swing and we were like, we can't help you, man. We don't have the knowledge.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Fuck. Chuck very condescendingly said, you could take a class and that would probably help a lot. Yeah, man, it's tough. Well, I won one of the games, so. Yeah, you did. Jokes on the two of you. You did fine without our tips. No tips on golfers, I guess, is the rule we were employing at that moment.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Why do you always have to get so hostile? The last thing you want, if you're having one of these arguments, is to have one of these arguments in public, right? And this is like right in a corridor. It's an awkward place to be doing it. They're lucky they don't run into a coworker. Who they do run into is a man in a funny hat. He is as confused about being there as BLT
Starting point is 00:17:18 and Paris are in seeing him. And we'd ride that vibe into the theme. When we come back, he is confused about being there. He kind of thinks he's been abducted. I feel like that, that energy is really clever because it immediately puts them on a like, hey man, we'll try and help you out. We'll figure this out.
Starting point is 00:17:38 Footing instead of A, who the fuck are you? I'm gonna hit you with this batlet, footing. You really do take your cues from the characters in a Star Trek episode about how you approach an alien. Because as soon as this guy popped up on screen, I was like, you're a human in a Shriners hat. What are you doing here? And no one calls him human,
Starting point is 00:18:03 even though he's got no loaf. He's got all hat and no loaf. And, Nariah loaf. And because Paris and BLT and everyone else on the ship never calls him human or describes him as human, at all, you kind of lose that incredulity throughout the episode, at least I did. This happens a lot in Star Trek,
Starting point is 00:18:25 where species that arose on another planet look indistinguishable from humans. Like, betas oids, I guess have dark eyes, but otherwise human looking. They encounter alien of the weeks all the time in TOS and TNG, especially, that just look human. It happens in Voyager.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Why don't you ever see like, hey, these guys look exactly like the Cardassians, but are not. This guy makes himself seem harmless right away. You know how you do that, Ben? Complaining. This guy's cold. Things are too bright.
Starting point is 00:19:00 He's presenting as a real old. It takes so long to get this guy's name. Did you notice that? Yeah, we're like 30 minutes in the episode before we get it And he doesn't even introduce himself someone else cause him by his name. Yeah, so they offer to take him to six bay where the doctor looks in on him and Janeway and two of us come down and they you know, commiserating with him like, oh man, what a scary thing that happened to you. You were walking around, minding your own business, suddenly you're here, and we're going to try and figure out what happened to you. You know, this could be a phenomenon, it could be technology. We're going to get to the bottom of this.
Starting point is 00:19:40 We're going to help you out, little buddy. I like how the interrogation makes Dermar describe what it felt like to be transported. That was neat. Not enough people talk about what it feels like to be beamed somewhere. There was a moment of blackness and I felt a curious sensation of. Outs, outs, outs.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Interesting. And this guy makes it seem like he was on an episode of Fear Factor, like being dunked in a tank full of bugs. It doesn't sound pleasant at all. If that's what a federation-transporter feels like, they don't make enough of a big deal on how gross everybody must think it is. It's awful. It saves a ton of time so we put up with it, but it is awful. It's like, when you catch a bug on you, you feel itchy for like the next 10 minutes. That should be the first 10 minutes
Starting point is 00:20:31 of any away team mission is just like the sense of itching us with all of the, yeah, that's not beaming into your best. No. This guy is basically useless when it comes to figuring out where he's from. He's like a lost kid who didn't remember his address. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Because he's like, yeah, I come from a solar system and it's got planets and a star in the middle. And that's about all I can remember. And they're like, hmm, doesn't sound familiar. We've been traveling for three seasons, and not ringing a bell. Do you have any guys nearby that like to harvest organs? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:21:12 That would have been a great way to narrow it down, like talk about some of the other aliens that they know about, but they don't. They don't know where Kess is either. They quickly realize that this has been a one for one kind of situation. He traded places with her. I wanna be clear, they didn't trade places in the parent trap kind of scenario. Like, Demara's still Demara and Kass is ostensibly
Starting point is 00:21:36 Kass just somewhere else. Yeah, Kim and BLT are working on trying to figure out like sensor readings on what happened. But BLT is also working out her shit with regards to Tom Paris as she talks to Harry about the diagnostics they're running. She doesn't like her personality to be mischaracterized by her sort of boyfriend. I have a temper, but that doesn't mean that I'm always hostile. No, of course not. I deal with the goddamn customer so the engineers don't have to. Garrett Wong's take here is one of my favorite parts of this episode, because he holds eye contact with BLT and kind of a pained expression.
Starting point is 00:22:18 No! It's great. Yeah. It's hostile. When BLT goes to another station to continue her work and turns around, Harry is gone. As if BLT's eye daggers did it to him. Did you think BLT was involved in the beginning of this episode because she's around for both of these disappearances? Oh, I didn't ever get that suspicion. I mean, I was suspicious of that first guy immediately.
Starting point is 00:22:50 It's interesting how dissimilar this episode is from the TNG episode where Beverly Crêche's universe shrinks. Right. Like, because she's around for all the disappearances too, that you don't get that kind of vibe from this app ever. Yeah, I think the part of that is that BLT reacts, but everybody else reacts also. Yeah, that's a big part of it.
Starting point is 00:23:12 And you don't ever get any hint in her performance that she's like putting it on for everybody else's benefit. Like, oh my God, where did Harry Kim go? I guess what also helps too is the pace of the episode really accelerates here too because we cut around to the ship and people are just flashing out everywhere and the neareans are replacing them, including the holodeck resort program. Like it doesn't matter where you are on the ship, the swaps are happening.
Starting point is 00:23:39 Some guys taking a dump, like beamed off the toilet. Yeah. Does the turd go with him or does that stay? Quite a hangar, Sergeant. That sucks so bad to be beamed away and leaving an unflush toilet behind. Oh, man. And the Voyager has an auto flush toilet situation, right?
Starting point is 00:24:01 If they're not beaming the shit's out of you, like we've long-positored, is a thing in Star Trek? It's like the airport where if you like lean forward to get the toilet paper, it flushes, and then splashes water against your butt, you know? Like, god damn it! You can't, you can't flush a toilet enough for me at a public restroom.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Like, it should be like a fountain at an outside mall. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, keep the water moving. I'm gonna Keep the water moving. The guy that shows up in Nielix's horny beach getaway holiday program really highlighted to me how conservative the Nierian seemed to be. Like, he comes around the corner in his very dour robe and hat combo to a couple of bikini bams that are making bedroom eyes at him. And, you know, he is maintaining the ruse that he is disoriented and unaware of what's going on. These babes are into some hat play, for sure.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Only this guy just isn't down. Yeah. Too Voc is one of the people that disappears pretty quickly. Yeah, and that's a big one too, because these are security guys. Right. And the person who would be tactically leading the charge on deciding how to treat this situation. There's a McLaughlin group.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Is your one. Convened where Chicoet gives the crew and us the metrics of this thing, right? Yeah. After three hours, they've exchanged 22 people in a non-consensual exchange program with the Nirians. And this is a rate of exchange that is not sustainable. Tom Parris asks a question in this Muglofflin group that really delighted me. He asks, could it have been some kind of spatial anomaly? Which is really just the functional equivalent of asking, is this an episode of Star Trek or...
Starting point is 00:25:48 Right. Could have been anything. Because they don't know how these transfers are taking place. But isn't it interesting how they're getting their information though? The Nirians that have come over in the swap are telling them about the voyage recruit that's appearing on their side. Right, yeah. And Janeway gets teaky torches
Starting point is 00:26:05 and distributes them to the senior staff and says, the Narians will not replace us. And she gets a whole march going and it's really upsetting. I was so fascinated by Janeway's attitude from jump about this. I feel like you could see her being someone who brings out the welcome wagon diplomatically.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Yeah. Yeah. And she goes dark this episode big time. She really does. She suspects something awful as a foot from jump. Something real weird about this. There's coffee in that not in the West. I make sense the first Neurion arrived. It's really frustrating because no one has any answers. They're just watching people get swapped. They're down to a very small number of crew members at this point. Pretty much everybody that isn't just keeping the ship running has been retasked to security and like corralling the nearings into cargo bays and shuttle bays and stuff. And Janeway and Chico take it down to engineering where BLT has come up with the idea
Starting point is 00:27:05 that maybe this is like a wormhole that's intermittently opening inside Voyager, like a baby wormhole. Yeah, if a wormhole could stick to a ship while it was transiting and like be dragged. Yeah, yeah. But that doesn't really answer the question of why, why would it be just like swapping one for one?
Starting point is 00:27:25 Yeah, and as they're discussing this Janeway blips out of existence and Almost concurrently with this Nielix is calling her trying to tell her some interesting information because he's been talking to a Scientist among the Nirians who might have some light to shed on this situation. I really love the order of people that get taken because it does not suggest some foul play. Like, if you wanted to take over a ship the way the Nierians are revealed to do later, and you were to start with the captain, you immediately think this is something bad. Someone is attacking us, shields up,
Starting point is 00:28:06 like that whole thing, but because the disappearances are so random, it really keeps the voyage or crew off the scent until the last possible moment. Taking Kess first was just perfect, misdirection. Yeah, because at that point, who cares? Maybe she went over there and freshen up up! So they make contact with Dr. Rizlund in the cargo bay, which is sort of looking like a refugee colony at this point.
Starting point is 00:28:36 And he also is complaining about how cold it is in there, but they've got the lights turned down, so at least that's good. But he also says that the air is too humid. Come on, man. Look, I mean, you can turn down a thermostat, but what are you supposed to do about the humidity? Just take your clothes off and enjoy the sauna. Meanwhile, up on the bridge, a young Ensign
Starting point is 00:28:57 is working with Chico Day on the air, like the only two people left to do bridge duty. She's been like field promoted into chief of security. It's everything I dreamed of soon. I love this woman and I love Chico Te's conspicuous dustbuster here. Yeah. Like they didn't start wearing weapons until this moment, until they're down to their last 40 crew people. I kind of wish that everybody had been armed because like like there are Voyager crew members that you see in the next couple of scenes that don't have the dustbuster on them. But like, what they're talking about in this scene is like, we got to like, like, we're
Starting point is 00:29:32 not sure that this is an attack, but we need to hedge for that possibility. So throw up force fields around the warp core around the weapons lock or anything sensitive on the ship. The neary ends can't use. It sure seems like that should be step one, right? As soon as you're boarded in a way that you don't approve of, you gotta start hardening your targets. They've had three hours.
Starting point is 00:29:56 It seems like they're one step behind the entire episode. The Nierian doctor is working with BLT down in engineering and there's also one security guy down there with him and she's like this is no wormhole, this is not a natural phenomenon. And the second she comes up with this, the Doctor guy beats up her security detail, gets the phaser, turns out it's an attack. We are under attack. This poor guy really gets clobbered. You got to keep your head on a swivel when you're the security guy detailed to engineering with the stranger that's beamed aboard your ship. Hey random security guy,
Starting point is 00:30:37 you're in engineering with two other people and one of them is a crew person. So maybe have your attention in the right spot. What are you doing? Moving you into the head of the line. BLT gets beamed over, and we finally see where everybody's been going. And it's kind of your classic Star Trek courtyard. A lot of nice plant life. The sort of place where if you trampled some foliage,
Starting point is 00:31:01 you'd get the death sentence. Right, yeah, except for these people are not rocking any knuck. No, not at all. They're rocking hats. BLT is like Captain. It's actually an attack at Captain Janeway. He's like, yeah, I know. Look at these guys. They get rifles. Did you notice the audio of these scenes? Like you get the birds chirping as soon as you're in this biosphere area
Starting point is 00:31:24 in a way that I thought really pulled the whole charade together. Yeah, yeah. It was nice. Why not just enjoy it for what it is? Yeah, that's really the question, right? Back on Voyager, they're down to their last 12 and they get a radio call from engineering like after Rizzlin's fist fight.
Starting point is 00:31:43 And Chicoote decides to go down there personally to get some answers, dustbuster out. Yeah, Chicoote is fucking pissed. He's not going to just radio up and when he goes down to the cargo bay, he discovers that all of the Nirians have departed the cargo bay. So he's basically ordering the ship to go on lockdown. And I love how the cargo bay just looks like a trashed hotel room with pillows
Starting point is 00:32:10 everywhere. And they didn't even leave 20 bucks. Oh, you know, come on guys. Tip the housekeeping. Whether or not you've strewn your pillows all about or whether or not you've kept your hotel room tight. 20 bucks. 20 bucks. He got to do it. 20 bucks. We finally catch up with that first Neurion guy again. And he's like barking orders at his weird-headed buddies, you know, taking control of weapon
Starting point is 00:32:37 systems and engineering. Could you figure out whether or not the hats or the tunics meant rank in any way? I could not distinguish one Niren from any other in that way other than the original one, the Demar Guy. Yeah, he's got a different color. So maybe, yeah, maybe it's like Starfleet where the color indicates something. It didn't really look like military uniforms though.
Starting point is 00:33:01 No, it sure didn't. Up on the bridge, there's just three star fleets left, but most of them don't have guns. Only the lady that was working with Chico Te has a gun. The others kind of look like it may be their first day on the job. God, Henson Lange goes down shooting, which I love. Yeah, but like the lady standing next to her
Starting point is 00:33:21 is like, what's going on in here? Should I grab for the gun or should I, I don't know what to do? Not all ensigns are built the same, are they? If I'm doing like an after mission report here, I think Ensign Lang distinguishes herself and all other Ensign's fucking suck, Ensign Lang should get a promotion.
Starting point is 00:33:41 And the red shirt next to her maybe gets left at the next port of call, but they pull it too. In engineering, it's the same scene. They're just overrun by the sheer numbers, right? There's too many of them to shoot. Yeah, and the Nureans are just like snatching this ship. They're like decrypting the protocols and stuff. Like it's starting to look like Chico Te and his buddy,
Starting point is 00:34:06 Ensign Genaro are gonna have to go to Guerrilla War status and Starship mine this thing. So he's like, all right, we're just gonna start sabotaging the ship, making it useless to them, make them regret having done this. Kind of like what I hope by the time this episode is released will have happened to Twitter. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:26 Yeah. Would be great. I can't think of the Genaro name without thinking of Bruce Willis' ex-wife's name from Die Hard, right? Because it's like also sort of a die-hard scenario, right? Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:40 How weird is that? That had to be intentional. I think it's got to be an homage. Yeah Genaro's gone pretty quickly so it's it's just jacote and He's like running around the ship like pulling EPS stuff out and like disabling systems and really fucking things up and making life difficult for the Neurians. When you do an improvised Starship demo, you kind of want to open up any panel you see and
Starting point is 00:35:14 grab a fistful of conduit. Just start ripping. When it's an EPS conduit, you don't even need to shut it down at the break-up box. You can just rip it right out with your bare hands by some reason. I love the shot of the warp core going dark. Yeah. That's really cool.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Chico Te needs to get to Six Bay though because he is worried that they're shutting the doctor down and deleting his program. I would not have thought to do this if I were him. But it is a life-saving measure that he's taking. It is, yeah. And then he gets the doc loaded onto the mobile emitter, which has its own wireless charging pad,
Starting point is 00:35:54 which I like seeing. Yeah. The doc helps by knocking out one of the Nirians right before they both beam away. Chico, okay, does that thing where he like slightly puts the mobile emitter in his pocket like a kid stealing a candy bar from a convenience store.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Good stuff. So he grabs the mobile emitter at the last possible moment when the nearyons pour through the door and they beam him out of there but not before he basically trashed the ship. I definitely wanted a scene in this when they get back to have BLT just being like, do you co-tape what the fuck man? And then
Starting point is 00:36:32 we're back like a bug in a jar back in their environment where they're all being held captive. And we learn a little bit more about this. Like the doctor is very disoriented because he's totally disconnected from the ship, which has never happened to him before. Everybody from the ship is like not all in the same place together. Two Vach Describes, them as being distributed among ten different compounds. It's Janeway that actually suspects that this is a hollow and she is like, this is a little too familiar to me because in my hollow programs, I too am surrounded by giant trunks.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Unable to break free. They're like, yeah, this is pretty ideal. This Narian lady comes in with security detail and sort of describes the whole plot. Here's what our species is and what we do. So we've taken your ship by doing this prolonged swapping process and it's a total bloodless takeover here that we've done. The upside is, you're gonna sit on this patio for the rest of your lives eating the replicated food we've made you, and that's it. That's the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:37:54 We have a lot more replicator power than your piece of shit starship, so that's good. Everyone is super psyched about being there. No neilics in this episode to feel bad about everybody being excited about their new worse situation from a food standpoint. I love the umbridge that Theline takes about their insufficient gratitude. Yeah. We even downloaded your cultural database.
Starting point is 00:38:21 So you got plenty of entertainment. Yeah. You complain about bug. Come on. This is plenty of entertainment. Yeah. You complainin' about bug. Come on. This is great for you. Yeah. So she takes her leave. They're talkin' about how are we gonna get out of this one?
Starting point is 00:38:32 Like they got our ship. We're all locked up. They've also talked a little bit about the idea that they may be in a hologram. And this is confirmed when they see kind of a shimmery disturbance in some of the foliage and out of it walks Jarolith, a low-fi neighbor from the adjoining
Starting point is 00:38:52 simulation and Jarolith knows that you can get from one simulation to another through this invisible door and really excited to meet them and potentially do some trading because the really excited to meet them and potentially do some trading because the species that was in here before didn't have any concept of a barter system in their culture. Did you get Jarless deal at all? Like, I suspected Mole from him, but he wasn't the Mole. He was just a fucking guy. I wanted to see Jarless's Jarleth's environment, you know? So did I, yeah. I wanted somebody to go back through with Jarleth and see what's going on over there.
Starting point is 00:39:29 He also had like a suspicious amount of kindness about him. Like I never trusted him from the start. That might be the Seattle in you though. Like the new neighbor in a lot of other places means like you go over and introduce yourself, you know. I would never do that. You're right. BLT's working on the EMH's hollow emitter and he's kind of turning to a holiday into a visor.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Yeah, he and become scanning device. And he's like looking around. They show his POV as like sort of everything is glowing. Maybe he'll be able to detect breaks in the hollow matrix so that they can find a way out of here. Yeah, I've seen a lot of tracers. Paris comes over to hang out with her while she's doing this and they sort of make up after there's somewhat combative initial scene together.
Starting point is 00:40:23 But then it devolves again. Yeah. They make up and then they break up. I kind of feel like this is the doc being a bad couple's therapist because he's sitting there like interjecting as they interact about this. They need to tell the doc to shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, that always works well telling your couple's therapist to cram it. But is he their therapist? No, he's just inviting himself into the conversation. It's like when you go out to dinner with friends and they have a fight in front of you, it's like, should I like interject here or what do you do? Will they or won't they? This Paris and BLT thing. I don't know. I thought they had this batlet thing behind them.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Guess not. And this looks like a's a pretty definitive break up here at the end. Like, Paris doesn't even want to be friends with her anymore. It's too much hassle. Too much trouble. Yeah. TuVoc, meanwhile, is megruboring some guns together. I don't use guns. Guns are for the weak. Guns are for the stupid. No offense. Neelix is procuring equipment and Tuvac and Chico Tear sitting there while Tuvac like clips them all together to make phasers for them.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Is it too much to ask when making a weapon out of food dispenser parts for that weapon to shoot food? I know the answer to that question, it is, but my God, Ben, how fun would it be if they got this thing going and it just shot hot dogs at people? If it shot unlimited party sub at people, like it just keeps shooting more and more sandwich. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:58 If it were a literal potato gun, how great would that be? That would be fun. Give me that. I also could have gone for a member of the crew being sad that Nielix is disassembling the food replicator going like, fuck, we were enjoying this food, this is the first good food we've had like three years, Nielix, why are you taking this apart?
Starting point is 00:42:19 Hey, check it out. We've disassembled the only thing we can use to trade with Jarleth. You think we're gonna like eating that guy's food? Look at him. There's no way we're gonna like the palatability of that guy's food. I think I probably, it's like crickets and stuff. Yeah, Jarleth eats nothing but Chepalines. And they're good as a snack, but you can't survive on those alone.
Starting point is 00:42:44 No, no. They're a great source of snack, but you can't survive on those alone. No, no. They're a great source of protein, but no dietary fiber. Come on! The days go by and they just keep getting constipated and constipated. Yeah. You said that the previous occupants of this simulation died of a plague. I think they died of something else, Jarla. Tuvac takes this opportunity to brag about how prepared he was for a moment like this.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Like, when you're on Vulcan, you're made to walk the desert for months with nothing but a knife as training for being out on the universe. And he really throws this in the Starfleet's face. Like your survival training was like a week in a forest? That is nothing. That shit was easy to me. Yeah. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all.
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Starting point is 00:44:42 Give Jordan Jesse Goatry. Being smart is hard. Be dumb instead. Oh, rats. Hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in mine. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line. And boy, what do I?
Starting point is 00:44:57 These giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they have such short nacks. But I'm hearing we need to get on this horse. I've got to get on the ark. It is about to rain. a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans.
Starting point is 00:45:11 We're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so same life, something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boat.
Starting point is 00:45:26 We came two by two. What do you think? O'Neil Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. They find an exit, and the away team that goes through it, kind of a surprising group of people, I would say. Jarlyth, the most surprising part, I thought. It was weird to be that Chicoete didn't go through. I really thought that this was being set up to be like a Chicoete saves the day episode.
Starting point is 00:45:56 And this episode is a real ensemble piece. I don't think it's really any one character's episode in that way. Unless it's Jarlyth's, you know, maybe it's Jarlyth's episode in that way. Right. Unless it's Jarless, you know, maybe it's Jarless' episode. I don't think we're supposed to be in here. I mean, and this was another suspicious action by him too, like because it's Paris and BLT and for some reason Jarless, and they're turning their backs on him,
Starting point is 00:46:18 I was ready for the backstab here. Yeah, because they're like in, they're in creepy tunnels with their Magruder guns. I don't use guns. They're splitting up. Yeah. Jarlyth is talking a lot of shit about not wanting to break the rules. They're like, shut up Jarlyth. Fuck it idiot. They finally find a panel with a button and you got to hit the button to the panel, Ben. Yeah. You got to see what's behind this door. Yeah. And when the door opens, we see a beautiful rain forest scene. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:44 And another button opens another door and, we see a beautiful rain forest scene. And another button opens another door, and it's like a post-apocalyptic Baywatch scene. And BLT describes this place as like a variety of biosphere to suit all tastes. Different environment behind every door, different type of leaf and stick in every jar. You don't get to see the jarless door, but you see the reaction to the jarless door, and it is horrifying. Like, I've never seen an expression like this on BLT's face before, sort of a combination of nausea and like hysterical crying. And they're only eating chappolinas. Baaah! Baaah! It's like raining chappolinas in jarless biosphere.
Starting point is 00:47:28 So they're kind of getting the grand tour of all the different sticks and leaves in jars. Well, Tuvac and Janeway find a big computer system. And initially Janeway is like, I don't know, like this, like their written language. It's like, what uses this to us? And two Vox like, well, they downloaded our cultural database, so you might be able to find a way to translate it, which I don't know if you've ever had a friend play the prank on you
Starting point is 00:47:57 of like changing your phones, operating system language into a alphabet you don't understand. It's very hard to get back to English, when that happens. I don't want to victim blame you too hard, Ben, but I don't know why you're handing your phone to people. That's how you get your tax documents looked at. I think the last time this happened to me,
Starting point is 00:48:18 I was in high school and I had a black and white screen on my phone, so the tax documents weren't. This is the Razer Phone era. That exciting. Yeah. In those days. Look who it bends into. Look at these.
Starting point is 00:48:31 Oh man, zeros and one sick. It's an open parentheses, a space, a period, a closed parentheses, and then they did that one more time. Nice. It's fucking cute. It isn't long before they realized they're on a ship, Ben. This isn't a planet full of biosphere. one more time. Nice. Hahaha. Fucking shoot. It isn't long before they realized they're on a ship, Ben. This isn't a planet full of biospears. It's a ship full of biospears. It's a big long ship and it's got thousands of people aboard.
Starting point is 00:48:55 There are different species. There's neurians who've been at this for a long time. But they can't just go through the computer all willy and ili without setting off the alarm. Which they do in short order. Red lights flashing, transcend cultures, change, quadrants. That means you set an alarm off. We cut to the bridge of the Voyager where the doctor, that scientist guy, was it Dr. Ryzlan? Demar?
Starting point is 00:49:26 Is it Demar? Oh yeah, Ryzlan is the doctor. Demar is sort of the leader. Wow. And Demar is just slugging back, Kenar. That's new to everybody. Demar! Right? He's having a bad time.
Starting point is 00:49:42 But they get the message from that lady that welcomed them aboard, that she's dealing with some jailbreak scenarios, and they're like, all right, well, we're not normally a violent people, but if you need to start cutting heads off to get the situation under control, you have permish. I thought it was really interesting how the Nirians and specifically,
Starting point is 00:50:02 Demar, were shot, especially on the bridge. Like, you look at these guys, there's nothing particularly threatening about them. Those hats are like the opposite of threatening. But the lower you place the camera and the higher you shoot up at them, you're making them into an imposing figure that they wouldn't be ordinarily.
Starting point is 00:50:22 And you get this a lot in this episode with Demar, especially, like, they make him look very tall. They really do. In pretty short order Jarleth gets captured by some heavily armed Nereans and does he get captured or does he give himself over. I mean he's not fucking sucks. He's not moving very tactically and he also snitches the hell out of them like yeah he's such a filthy fucking snitch the second he gets caught he's like you're was there idea I didn't want to do it
Starting point is 00:50:50 I said uh went around that corner all of them you had a great observation earlier about like where is Nelix this episode I don't think you can have him in this episode a bunch because Jar-Lath is a real Nelix type yeah he's really giving Nelix energy isn't he yeah surprise really giving Nelix energy, isn't he? Yeah. Surprisingly, didn't invite himself aboard to become their chef. Yeah, Ollie makes his chapliness.
Starting point is 00:51:11 I didn't think it could be worse, but it's worse. It is so much worse than Leolo root. You have no idea. So the captain and Tuvac have found another control room where they're trying to figure out how to use the Niren transporter system. There's only two settings Tuvac Niren and Fireyon Meanwhile, BLT and Paris are getting in like hallway fights with their crappy phaser, which is like running low on juice Unliteral juice with their crappy phaser, which is like running low on juice.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Unliteral juice. Just pulpy orange juice being shot all over the place. Yeah, and the Nierians are like, ah, we hate the pulpy kind. We want the no pulpy kind. Just blow up the season budget on the food gun. Yeah, that would have been great. I know we've got a season finale coming up, but everyone would remember displaced for the food gun. Yeah, I know we've got a season finale coming up, but everyone will remember displaced for the food gun.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Resetting these hallway sets after you shoot ropes of spaghetti out of the front of the gun that hits the walls and stuff would be a real pain in the ass. Oh, God. Just try to keep a straight face as an actor, as like hundreds of rounds of Miyoki. Hahaha. Get shot at the Nirians. Hahaha.
Starting point is 00:52:32 You know what, these are soft, but enough of them hit you at speed. They also really hurt. Yeah. Hahaha. So they get a great idea, which is go into the coldest environment. Yeah. Because they know that the Nierians love a nice warm ship
Starting point is 00:52:49 with low humidity and low light Bright and cold is a great option for them they run in the lady in charge orders her men to follow them and We cut back up to the control room where follow them. And we cut back up to the control room where TuVAC and the captain are working on the displacement technology that the Nierians use. And TuVAC describes that it has a huge range. It's a 10 light year radius that it can work on, but that limits its capacity. Yeah, this is not going to be something they can use to transport the ship. They can't flood the zone with security officers, which is star-fleet practice.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Uh-huh. It would be great. I mean, this is an interesting flip of that script, though, that the airy-ends are doing, just slowly beaming in a bunch of security officers. Yeah, yeah. It's like the tetris effect of security, or it's not happening fast, but it's relentless. And then you're just falling asleep with that soundtrack in your head. So they completely painted the Star Trek cave's white for the scenes where Paris and BLT are
Starting point is 00:53:54 running from these nearing security guys. I love this. Why haven't they done this before? I think the answer is evident. They've only done this once because it's got to be a pain in the ass to hose off. Yeah, yeah, it must be. Do you think they're using just a bunch of that spray? Blocking. Yeah, yeah. You put in the corners of the
Starting point is 00:54:15 window of your coffee shop around the holidays. Yeah, it looks like BLT and Paris are shivering, but they're actually recoiling from the fume. Oh, yeah, maybe that's what's going on is that it's just off-gassing and they don't like doing it to the actors. The caves have never been more flammable than they are in this moment. Yeah, nobody's smoke on set today. Yeah. They're trying to take cover.
Starting point is 00:54:39 BLT is really suffering in the cold. She explains to Paris that Klingon's actually hate cold weather. I buy this. Yeah. You go to Kronos and you see all the lava. Basically they have open lava sewers. Yeah. Run through their cities. But Borath is cold as hell. You're right.
Starting point is 00:54:58 But they stay inside and Borath. You're just a different breed on Borath, I bet. It's like a... What about Rurapente? They fucking hate it there. I bet it works a lot like it does for people. Like you move from a cold weather place to a warm weather place, you get used to it, you get acclimated.
Starting point is 00:55:14 And then you're just weak when you go back to a cold weather place. Yeah. They get caught by one of the Nirians who like literally freeszes to death in front. This doesn't seem like it would work on the page, but in the scene it really does. I thought this smelled bad on the outside.
Starting point is 00:55:33 You don't think this is on the line when Taline orders for people into the caves. Like there's some mild resistance about going in, but at the time I was like, well, yeah, it's just gonna be uncomfortable. But death is on the line for for Tallinn's henches. I mean, talk about dedication to your job, right? And they phaser one other guy, but this seems like it was tactically a really great idea by them. Yeah. Paris has a scene with BLT where he blows on her hands. And you gotta be careful, Paris.
Starting point is 00:56:06 That's how Vulcan's get pregnant. And that's around with that finger stuff. It's good things she's not Vulcan, I guess. So back up in the control room, the captain and two Vox see what has happened with BLT in Paris. And they realize that they're gonna be in big trouble. Like they're not going to freeze quite as fast as a Neurion, but they're in negative 20 degree Celsius weather,
Starting point is 00:56:29 and they're working out an idea for saving them when Voyager comes back within range. And now we've got some real potential here. We can test our ability to use this displacement thing while also preparing to retake the ship. They keep cutting back to Tuvac and Janeway to advance their part of the story, and I kind of wish they didn't,
Starting point is 00:56:51 because every time we get a follow-up from them, like nothing else has happened. Yeah. Their part of it is unfolding so slowly. Well, and also, like, if you stayed with Tom and Volana, like the desperation of that would feel bigger and bigger and the longer it took for them to cut away. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Like she is really on her last legs when they finally do their displacement back to the ideal environment of the federation habitat. If you had a food gun in a super cold environment and you had to make a hot food to keep yourself warm. What do you think you'd make? Maybe like shoot some French onion soup right in my mouth. Ooh, but no, that would burn, right? Because you get the, you get the gray air like melted against the roof of your mouth and
Starting point is 00:57:38 be like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You know what? You might be on to something with the melted cheese. Like if you shot a food gun at someone with melty cheese, but it wasn't like volcanic melt. It was like American cheese melt, where like it's a very low temperature melt. You could kind of insulate them in a wetsuit of cheese
Starting point is 00:57:58 in a way that would probably keep you warm in a cold environment like this. That's a great idea. I don't know why I never thought of it before. And then you get to turn the food gut on yourself. So the next people to get displaced are Dr. Reisland and Demar and Janeway beams them right into the frozen environment where they immediately are shivering and very uncomfortable. And this is the position there in when Janeway starts to negotiate with them about what's gonna happen. And what she basically wants is unconditional surrender
Starting point is 00:58:35 by the Nereans. I love her use of cold as a weapon. Yeah. And as a timeline also. Right, cause they don't know their way out. Like they don't go in here, because they don't know their way out, like they don't go in here, so they don't know their way around, so if she just left them, they wouldn't really have a chance, right?
Starting point is 00:58:52 And they can't depend on jarlath to save them either. No, jarlath is probably in solitary at this point, right? Yeah, yeah. So the Neary and Stake the L, Voyager gets repopulated with its original crew, and the Nierians are locked up on their own ship, and I feel like one thing that they don't make enough of at the end of this is like, there are, I think they said 90 species on board, this ship that are non-Nierian. This is a crazy part of this episode, it is like that's part of the project that Janeway presents to
Starting point is 00:59:27 the Nareans. Like not only are we imprisoning you, we're going to do it for as long as it takes to resettle all of these alien people back on their respective worlds. Yeah, like there's like 10 episodes of that that we don't see of them just resettling. Yeah, I kind of got the sense that when they left, they'd sort of left that project in the hands of the liberated aliens. But I also feel like they should be good with species they encounter for a long time going forward because like how much good will did they just generate?
Starting point is 00:59:58 If the rest of the population is anything like jar-lath, I would not wanna delegate any tasks to him. You gotta do better than jar-lath. Yeah, I guess so. The button on the episode is the crew having gotten the ship back, and on the hollow resort, BLT finds Paris, and it's a little awkward from their time, fighting and making up, and fighting and making up over and over again. And fighting alongside and blowing on each other's hands. There was the incident of the hand blowing. Yeah. That'll, that'll thaw any relationship. I really like this moment because they make up without a bunch of words getting in the way.
Starting point is 01:00:38 It's a kind of makeup that couples get into after they've been together for a long period of time, right? The sort of unspoken makeup? Yeah. Their relationship has a certain amount of makeup precociousness that is uncharacteristic of a relationship that's young. It makes me think they're going to be all right. Yeah. But is this episode all right to you, Ben? You know, I'm maybe easy to get along with most of the time,
Starting point is 01:01:02 but I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I'm really easy to get along with most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too. I really liked this episode. This was not anything super ground-breaking in terms of big ideas about the future or anything, but it was a fun adventure. I thought it was really well told.
Starting point is 01:01:20 It felt like it had more acts than your typical episode of television, this length. Like it went through so many different discreet phases of telling this story. You know, like the Chico Tiga Rilla Warfare part, the we're confused about these people showing up here part. The now we're stuck here part, and it's totally hopeless. There were so many different parts like that.
Starting point is 01:01:43 And yet it didn't have the problem that I sometimes have, especially with early season episodes of Discovery where so much shit goes on in one episode that I'm just like, that was like, I have to watch that like three times to like totally absorb everything. Yeah. So yeah, I thought it was,
Starting point is 01:02:02 I thought it was some good, clean fun. And I think the Neoreans are a very interesting, villain species. Yeah, I think I'm with you, like with that qualifier, right? I like it for what it was. Yeah. And what it was felt like it was an episode
Starting point is 01:02:18 kind of connected to a science fiction plot wheel. And you just like give it a spin. Right. And we've got Alien Prisoner Biosphere episode. Right. And the mystery around that. And this is like Star Trek is a place, right? We're just gonna tell that story in the Star Trek world
Starting point is 01:02:35 and get into that kind of fun. And it does what it sets out to do very well. In a weird way, it's also like really forgettable. Like I wonder even the Voyager super fans, would they remember this episode specifically? I don't know. I mean, very bodily like that. A lot of bottle episodes in season three, it feels like.
Starting point is 01:02:54 True, but I feel like season three has been quite strong overall so far. So. Yeah, maybe even stronger for it. Well Adam, do you wanna see if there's anything strong for us to absorb in the priority one inbox? Oh geez, you make it sound like we're gonna be Injecting these into our veins. Yeah, we're gonna slam them priority one message from star fleets coming in on secured channel
Starting point is 01:03:20 Need a supplement on top of the moon. Stop a minute. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship I need a supplement on top of the month. Stop a month. Top of the month. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Well, Adam, our first priority one message is of a promotional nature, it goes like this. G-Y-M-Gym Shimoda on Facebook. That's it.
Starting point is 01:03:42 That's the P1. That's it. That's the P1. The call to action is just, it's a message from Kim Zadi and crew. So, uh... So, uh... So, uh... So, uh... So, Jim Shimoda. Facebook may be losing ground as the most toxic social network company.
Starting point is 01:03:58 Yeah, guess who's making gains? Facebook. And specifically the Jim Shimoda community. Yeah. Even track's making gains? Facebook. And specifically the Jim Shimoda community. Yeah, keeping track of those gains. Maybe we should have stuck with Facebook the whole time. Who knows? But about that. Jim Shimoda stuck with Facebook and they want you to join their ranks. Get involved. Jim Shimoda. What a cool community folks. Yeah, I mean, all we hear about the Jim Shimoda folks is
Starting point is 01:04:23 what a positive community of encouragement they are about just overall health Non-toxic and cool Ben our second priority one message is from Kevin and it's to Mike the message goes like this happy 40th birthday to my favorite brother Now we're both old Hopefully you'll never have to do to me what Worf did to Kern? Both olds. Wow. Hopefully you'll never have to do to me what Worf did to Kern. Maybe Adam and Ben will do a live show in Buffalo one day and we can meet up and go together.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Hope you have a great day with Mary, Archer and Ronan. Pretty close to the requested date here of May 20th. Yeah, not too bad. In this happy birthday message. Boy, turn in 40. Me and our buddy Chuck were just talking about how things just really fall apart after 40 been. Hmm, I wouldn't know.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Saver your 30s while you still have them. Yeah, I still get plenty of time. Sure do. Yeah. Adam, our final P1 today is from Gabe and it is to the crew of Starbase 69. Abby, Kate. Kate, let's Kate with a C and Kate with a K,
Starting point is 01:05:27 Oliver and new recruit Amanda, it goes like this. When I joined Jim Shimoda, that's GYM Shimoda. Shout out to Kim Zadi. 20 years ago, I had no idea I'd meet the best friends of Dissoda I could possibly ask for. Y'all really helped keep me sane over the past few years with the pandemic and having to be away from she who is my wife and the brain cancer diagnosis.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Cheers to you and Ben and Adam for making it possible. Geez, talk about a heavy lift. That seriously is. That super tough Gabe, really glad that Jim Shimoda was there for you in a dark time. And hope things are going better. Also, did you join Jim Shimoda 20 years ago? Because if you did, we're late to the game. Yeah, no kidding.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Was that supposed to be two years ago? And there's like a typographical zero? It wouldn't surprise me at all if an original viewer of TNG, Saajim Shimoda, came up with the idea of GYM Shimoda all those years ago when TNG was in its first run and already constructed this group. Yeah, I don't think. Waiting to be found. I don't think we have said anything particularly original in our entire
Starting point is 01:06:43 Star Trek podcast in career, so. It's why the intelligence community listens to us as a way to fall asleep at night. Well, if you'd like to get a priority one message on the program, we would sure appreciate you doing it, and it's doable by going to MaximumFun.org slash Jembo Tron. Hey Adam. It's that, Ben. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? to MaximumFun.org slash Jembo Tron. Hey Adam. Zappin. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda?
Starting point is 01:07:07 Redo! Drunk Shimoda! I sort of tipped my Shimoda hand earlier by loving all on Ensign Lang. Ensign Lang rules. I don't know if we'll ever see her again, but you get the angle on her early on as like the last remaining one with Chicoete
Starting point is 01:07:23 and I'm like, good you, Entant Lang. Yeah. Moving on up. Like it's not failing upwards. It's just people got taken off the ship upwards. Right, right. That's some upward mobility she's got. But boy, she jerks out her phaser just a little too late
Starting point is 01:07:38 to take out all the Nierians and get shot herself in the process. Just like if you're an actor and you're guessing on an episode, she really got to do all the things. She really did. And I found it very aspirational. So it's going to be ensign Lang for me. What about you, Ben? I should vote a standing right next to ensign Lang
Starting point is 01:07:55 in that moment. It's the red shirt lady who did not think to put a dustbuster on her belt when... I'd do better than that. She was getting taken over. Just looks like she totally skipped the day at Starfleet Academy where they train you to repel an invasion of your starship.
Starting point is 01:08:16 She's lucky that no one really saw that. Like everyone's either distracted or gone. Right. She's probably gonna be okay when the crew rejoins the ship. She's also lucky that the Indians were firing face or set to stun, you know. Right. Really lucked out. Objection noted, we'll do this without you.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Do it. Do it. Do it. We'll ban let's see how our luck is over at the game of buttholes. The bill of the caretaker. It's been so long. I'm looking at our runabout. It's throbbing on Square 39.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Wow. Looks like smooth sailing up ahead. I don't think we can hit anything with this dice roll. What's the episode going to be about? Well, I'm the episode next week is called Worst Case scenario, season three episode 25, and it's described as follows. A hollow novel is discovered in the computer banks, in which Jakote raises a make-wiss mutiny on Voyager. Then, when Paris and Tuvac discover that the program has been altered, they and the Voyager crew must race to stay in one step ahead
Starting point is 01:09:21 of a holographic SESka. What? Sounds great. Seska? Yeah, she's back. She's hard to stay one step ahead of. I'll say. Yeah, no kidding. I bet you Kote thought that she'd stay one step ahead of him in one specific way, but he ended up busting one step ahead of her. And everything went to hell.
Starting point is 01:09:42 Yeah, no kidding. I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone, my friend. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. As you mentioned, we're on square 39. Can't hit anything, I don't believe. But we'll see how far ahead we get based on this roll. Wow, I rolled a five.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Chula! Did I win? So we're now on square 44 of the game of buttholes, the will of the caretaker. Just ahead is a cocoa no-no. You still owe the people a cocoa no-no by many accounts at him. Oh, you think so? Many people are saying there's a whole poll on Reddit.
Starting point is 01:10:23 That's why I didn't see it. Big, big majority says that you're pouring champagne into a coconut Didn't count if you had put a splash of rum in that coconut at the very end You would have been off the hook according to some yeah, I'd have to go to Reddit to read that poll I haven't been a Reddit in a long time I'm just gonna have to trust you that that's what the poll says. Are you lying? I'll screenshot the poll if you want. I'm not gonna have to trust you. That's what the poll says. Are you lying? I'll screenshot the poll if you want. I'm not gonna screenshot any of the rest of it.
Starting point is 01:10:48 A lot of upsetting stuff on Reddit too. I'm not sure I want you sending me any pictures of a poll. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. In any way. It's too much like a Catherine Janeway sharing a page of her hollow novel with you. Be a little too much like that scene from succession. Roman!
Starting point is 01:11:07 I have not seen that scene from succession. Didn't care for the program. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. You don't like popular things generally. I like severance. No dick picks in severance, though. Sadly not. We'd love to see what kind of hog.
Starting point is 01:11:23 I just got it, sort of. Wow, well, we have got to thank all of the friends of DeSoto who supported us throughout the Max Fun Drive, which ended last week. We really appreciated it. It means that we can continue doing this show for another year, hopefully at least. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, we're recording this during, so we don't know any final numbers
Starting point is 01:11:48 as of this record, but... Maybe you listening already know something that we don't. I mean, the intelligence community would say that that is... ...almost a certainty. Hey, we got to thank Wendy Pretty, the producer and editor, extraordinaire, holding things down at Oxbridge, Shimoda HQ. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Hey, let's think, Nick Dittmore. The guy that made the artwork for this show helps us out with the design. We don't think Nick Dittmore enough. We don't. God deserves a lot of credit. We gotta thank Adam Ragusia, the guy that made the music for this program.
Starting point is 01:12:22 We got to hang out with him at the Atlanta show that we did. It was big fun. I'm the double dumbass tour. World's stinkiest green room. You know you're with a good buddy if they're willing to hang out with you in a stinky green room.
Starting point is 01:12:33 And that's Adam Ragusea right there. That show was at a brewery. And I think that we were in like what is normally like beer making supply room that had been like recently redone as you're making supplies smell bad. It's amazing that you can be in a room that makes Atlanta feel more humid. That was the green room. That's what we had. Adam Ragusia, great podcaster, great YouTuber, also based his work for
Starting point is 01:13:02 this show off of that of dark material we really appreciate for the use of the card song. Hey need to thank Bill Tilly who really kept things fun throughout the max fun drive. He's the one who posts on the at-greatest trek, Twitter and Instagram feeds, always keeping them a delight day in and day out. He works extra hard to make the community fun and to bring the people together and we really appreciate him too. We do. Join a community of friends of DeSoto. The aforementioned Jim Shimoda on Facebook or the regular Facebook group. There's Jim Sock Shimoda, the group of enthusiasts for politicians that secretly represent foreign governments.
Starting point is 01:13:53 There's the drunksimota.com discord. Any rock you can turn over on the internet has a bunch of fun friends at a soda underneath it. Oh my god. Yeah, definitely want to compare the friends of the Soto to scurrying insects. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I mean, when you go through a transporter, it feels like you got friends of the Soto all over your bearity. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:19 You know what, that might feel pretty good. Yeah, I can see that being real nice. Yeah. Well, with that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode, Star Trek Voyager, an episode of the greatest generation Voyager that feels like something is off, but yeah, just can't put your finger on what. I'm going to make it sound. Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture Artist Oat?
Starting point is 01:15:00 Audience Supported Artist Oat? Audience supported.

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