The Greatest Generation - All Sparks, No Girders (DS9 S7E7)

Episode Date: September 28, 2020

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By a couple of guys who are a little bit of beerest, about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Brandica. I'm Ben Harrison. How you doing, Adam? Hanging in there. That's what I like to hear. I'm the cat on the branch.

Hanging there, baby. I don't want you to lose your grip. You know, he's the awful truth about the hang in there poster. Cat's gonna be fine. Even if he, even if he lets go of the branch, he's gonna be fine. Yeah, you're gonna land on your feet,

just like that cat would. He's got like 14 lives in him. You can tell by looking at him. He's gonna be great. As long as he stays out of the street, that's one place the cats can't go. Yeah. There's a cat in my neighborhood that I see sometimes.

This is like the most relaxed cat of all time. It's the only cat that Darwin has ever gotten anywhere near. Because Darwin will like bark his head off with this cat and then like carefully approach and smell the cat cat and the cat stays lying there like yeah, go ahead. I don't know. Give a fuck Is there anything is dumb looking as a sneaky dog? No, dogs are not our dogs both have that that sneak maneuver and you're not camouflaged buddy Yeah, you're not you're not cloaked You've not cloaked.

You have not done anything to plausibly conceal yourself. But this cat, one thing that it does that blows my mind is that it, I've seen this multiple times that it will, it will like decide to plop itself down and take a nap in between the curb and the wheel of a parked car. Yeah, if that somebody gets in that car and drives away, they're not going to know that cat's there. No, no one's going to know a cat was there. It's going to turn into cat grease. Rose, yeah. How are you doing? I'm doing good, man. I have been debating whether I wanted to mention this on the show or not, but it's like a kind of major thing that's happening in my life.

And I feel like our listeners have gotten us this far and probably deserve to know. I've, my wife and I have bought a house. We love it when the homeowner gets involved with the renovation. Wow. Very weird timing to buy a house. It's the classic plumbers lament. Yeah, especially since the houses last occupants died so mysteriously. Yeah.

But we've been saving for like five years. And this was kind of when it was going to happen, if it was going to happen. Yeah. Congratulations, man. Thank you. Yeah, we're getting ready to move in. We got a few things that we need to do. My mom and dad are coming down from the Bay area

to help me out. My mom is going to make curtains for all of our windows, just bringing the sewing machine. My dad's gonna help me build a pergola in the backyard. So kind of a good news bad news situation. It sounds like, hey does your mom's curtains match the drain? I'm fucking kill you. My mom listens to this show. Well you're about to find out and all of your house guests are about to do That'll be a delight. They're never gonna leave then. Yeah, you get them on projects forget it

That guest room is theirs. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that guest room would be mine. That's why I'm so upset by this That guest room is gonna be my wife's office for the foreseeable future. I mean, I think part of the impetus here was we're in a quite a small rental apartment and moving into this place. It doesn't have, it's a two bedroom, but I will be able to take all of my crap out of the second bedroom and put it in this weird back building attached to the garage That is gonna become my studio. So I mean, I don't know Maybe we can like put an inflatable mattress in there for you. The realtor didn't call it the Methmaking facility of the previous tenant, but... Right. Anybody that smells it knows what it was.

The show is going to start to get pretty weird once the studio is built in that thing. Yeah. Pretty exciting situation for you. I was thinking about it the other day and I was reflecting on, oh man, I've been working toward this since before I had a Star Trek podcast with my friend Adam It's been in the works for a really long time. I don't remember a time pre-podcast There's the before times to me. Yeah, well, I mean I did balk you on the head super hard to convince you to start this thing with me So yeah, you got me caveman style

Just I'm just dreading the day or Yeah, you got me caveman style. Just I'm just dreading the day or on vacation and some tropical paradise and I coconut falls from a tree and you you know realize what a folly you've been engaged in in these past few years. Yeah, eventually I'll come to. But all that is to say I am feeling very lucky and very excited and honestly couldn't imagine being able to do this without the support of our listeners. So I guess I would have had to find a different way to make a living if the podcast hadn't started. And it's the house that the friends of DeSoto built.

Yeah, you can really think of it that way. Well, you know you owe them a place to crash anytime they come through, Ben. Yeah, that's the obligation. If you can demonstrate that you have access to the bonus feed at the door, we will show you in to the guest room. Wow, that sounds horrible. That sounds horrible. That sounds horrible. That sounds horrible. That sounds horrible.

That sounds horrible. Hey, my door is always open to a friend of DeSoto. But you have to find me first. Right. So, yeah, that's where I'm at. I just feel like I don't want to feel like I'm bragging because... It's going to be a big part of your life for a long time and to ignore it on the show. Like the show is us and we are the show.

Right. Is to be dishonest, I think. Yeah, so anyways, I hope this doesn't come across as like a gloat or something, because I love you guys and I'm coming from a place of deep appreciation. I'm gonna address the friends of DeSoto here. Oh yeah. I'm looking right address the friends of DeSoto here. Oh yeah. I'm looking right into the camera when I do that.

I've seen the house, friends of DeSoto. He's not bragging. He needs a lot of work. It does need a shillow to work. It's in a, it's in that great shape right now. It is what you call a fixer-eper. It's not a fixer- a bitch, you move the cemetery, but you left the bodies, didn't you?

You remember the beginning of money pit? That's what we're at right now. We're in the first act of money pit. Yeah, the tub has not fallen through the floor yet. Right, but it could. Don't overfill the tub, Ben. That's my advice. Yeah, well, do you want to get into the episode But it could! Don't overfill the tab, Ben. That's my advice. Yeah.

Well, do you want to get into the episode we came to talk about today, Adam? Yeah. Steve's Space 9 Season 7 Episode 7. Lucky episode today, huh? It's called Once More, Unto the Breach. Do you realize how incredible this seems? No. Of course you've done. Do you realize how it kind of all this seems? Hahaha!

No, of course you don't. And Wurf has kind of become the nosy bar patron, this point. O'Brien and Bashir, talking about O'Brien and Bashir's stuff. Yep. You are both wrong. Why don't you butt the hell out, Wurf? It doesn't concern you. Do me a favor, just mind your business, please.

What the fuck? Like this is a fun kind of bar hang, right? Just kind of like... Mmm. Debating some bullshit topic. I think that if you wrote this in 2020 though, Wharf would have like a way more like, like, you know, Davey Cruckett was part of an imperialist adventure

stealing land from Mexico. I have experienced a cowboy style holiday recreation, where I shot Commander Data over and over again. Like, he has experience with this kind of scene, but he, yeah, he's not interested in having a conversation. He's interested in a monologue and then he leaves. And I love on his way out the door we get that three shot of like all three of them watching him go mourn O'Brien and Bashir. I love that composition. Yeah, very fun. Worfs in a mood and he goes home and he gets a knock on the door. Who could it be?

But Dahar Master Kor! Dahar Master Kor. Hell yeah! This is one of many requests that Warf has gotten over the years. Help me die, Warf. Yeah. Is basically what Kor's message is. Nobody is going to ride harder for you

dying an honorable death if you ask them for help with something like that than Wurf. Show some pride in your accomplishments. You learned it. I will try. Wurf has a body count. He really has a track record here that is dependable for someone like Cora.

Yeah. So he fills a couple of flaggans and they sit down to enjoy a little bit of blood wine. And what Cor explains is that he actually had a hard time getting war work lately. He's pissed too many people off. He's on the war unemployment line. It's tough spot to be.

This is all Warorph's fault, though. Worph should be interrogating this moment a little further because this is the hire master core after all. Right. Why can't he get a job? But he never asks. He does not ask. Worph is not an inquisitive man ever.

We come into Marthox office and he's working with this old like adjutant guy. I'm gonna call him cling old because he's an old cling on. Yeah, all right, let's do that. This guy is very sad. His cling on name is Derock, which is just too much like Derrick to me. That's what I want to call him. Except there are no old Derrick's. There's something very tragic about this character because you know that he's not like, what it made me think is Kor really needs to check his glory privilege because this guy's never going to get in a glorious battle he he goes out with honor, right?

It's too old. I mean look at him. He's so old. With his loose loaf and old bat left. This sounds like an innocuous professional favor to ask, which is why it's so shocking. Hey, we got a Jihar master hanging around the station, he's looking for a command, he's got some, some spare ships when she's throwing one. You see that guy? He's great. And as far as Dahar goes, he has mastered the whole thing.

Martak's like, is that blood wine on your breath? What the fuck, man? So, we're up before asking you such a dumbass question, and Martak is fucking pissed. Corn, the Dahar master. That's another word. Do you hear that one word? Before asking me such a dumbass question, and Martak is fucking pissed. CORE! The Dahar Master. That's another word. Do you hear not one word?

He really fucking hates CORE, but it does not clarify why he hates CORE in this scene. Classic warfie is to theme on this one. We get kind of a warfie double take here too, before we go and into it. I feel like they had a couple seconds to pad here. Let's just stay on the shut. I'm not they had a couple seconds to pad here. Let's just stay on the shut. I'm not calling cut yet, Michael Dorn. Yeah. Why don't you flash me a couple of those eyes? Stay in it, stay in it. He is like often asked to walk out into a hallway and then pause in front of the camera and absorb what just went down. This is the stuff

we laugh about in soap operas. It's so interesting that it's not ever funny in Star Trek and yet it is like a way that Star Trek looks and feels and has for years and years. You accept you never push in in Star Trek, right? That's the difference on a soap opera. You're making that a move. I think that like early TNG they push in, you know,

and it's like they're not above like the dun dun dun. Yeah. We have very little Captain Cisco in this episode. Yeah. What we do get of him is in the scene after the opening credits where he discusses the idea of a cavalry raid with Mar-Tok. They're going to take a bunch of birds of prey and just kind of like run around behind enemy lines, smashing shit and making big problems for the Dominions ability to birth

Jim Hadar and manufacture starships, et cetera. We cut to Demar and Wayun, and Demar is just face down in a pool of his own vaham. It's a good thing he passed out face down instead of face up. You don't want an exphyxiation issue there. If you're compounding Kinar, like to Mar has been. We come back to the station where Mar-Tok on the Chitang is kind of overseeing, re-rigging the ship for this operation. They're getting some last minute. Repairs arranged for and whatnot and wharf again, asks Martak, hey, listen, I've got a great idea.

Why don't we do something W slash R slash T, the honor of core. I wish to speak with you about core. Clown of Bridge! It's like he called Martak a patak to his face. Yeah, right. I love this moment. Martak says, I did not expect to be hearing you call me a patoc

in front of everyone. And wharf said, what man, it's just freedom of speech. Doesn't do anybody any harm sticks and stones, baby. We get a nice centerpiece scene for a JG Hertzler here. You hear a storm in the distance and then the spotlight comes up on Martaq where he delivers the story. The centerpiece story about why he hates core. It did long story with a lot of beats. Yeah. And it's basically about a class war issue within the Klingon Empire. And you know, all of history can be thought of as the history of class struggle in a lot of ways, Adam.

Sure. And this is one such example. Martox family were dedicated soldiers, many generations, and Martox father knew that Martox had a lot of talent to want an officer, which would have been kind of a first for their family from the sound of it. And Mar-Tauk did not get to go to... Wished, Porn!

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Because Kaur had something to do with the like admissions committee and saw that he didn't have a noble lineage and so struck his name from the roles. Okay, that's recruiters for ROTC in my high school. Yeah, so he gets on some click on ships you get to serve as a civilian. Yeah.

So we ended up on one of these ships as a civilian, probably what, like cleaning and preparing gach for a crew of hundreds. That's it. An easy life, but what happened was bangers were dropped on a ship and he ended up getting a battlefield promotion. Yeah. Which is something I wanted to see during,

like via flashback. Where is the flashback to him, like, personally repelling a Romulan boarding party? By like pushing on Mar-talk, like old Mar-talk with one closed eye and then it dissolves to a younger, full Mar-talk that eye opens. And he's like, got the white chefs. Yeah, yeah, you're using.

He's using a cleaver to like cut up some guy and some Romulan's like jump through a hall breach and he starts chopping their heads off. There's an old-timey flapper version of Malota playing. He's working in a very clearly a Klingon diner on the ship. Things were just so much more simple back then. A lot of people of Mar-tox,x particular political stripe will tell you it was a golden age, but it wasn't a golden age for everyone. At least of all, those Romulans invading.

So what's fucked up is we reach the end of Mar-tox story and he's like, and that is why I can never be on a crew with core and war for a a beat is like, well I've put him on the ninth fleet already and I did that before walking in here sooo yeah. And not just the ninth fleet but specifically the Chitang. Like I don't know why Warp didn't put Kor just on a not-mar-talk ship of all the ships that he could have picked. It's like Warf wrote this episode. That's just sort of the sense that it makes for that decision to happen because there's no fucking... How big is the night fleet? Not very big, I guess.

No, it's a little... I mean, and especially for this raid, it's like five little ships, right? You don't want to date anyone from the ninth fleet. You're just gonna run into them all the time if you break up. It's a bad idea. Yeah. Marta, it's like fine, like do whatever the fuck you want. Just keep them out of my way.

Like as long as he doesn't become my problem, I'm going to look past this. As long as you don't staff him on my bridge, won't be a problem. Right. I had a a problem. Right. I decide out of mind, that's fine, Wurf, you know, whatever. I mean, that would be insane, Wurf. And Wurf is like, I do not know how interpersonal relationships work.

Go to Kotlka, go to Kotlka. So, back on Deep Space 9, Esri is having a hang with Kour, and they're doing the catch up of old friends. Kour, new, Kour, Zon, and Jidzea, they fought and died together. And so he's kind of testing Esri for all this stuff. Wurf kind of like comes around the corner on the promenade and you feel a chill come through the room. a wharf kind of like comes around the corner on the promenade and

You feel a chill come through the room and as we knows that's your cue to get out of there Yeah, so she scrams and And wharf joins core at the table He's like wharf. I I can't believe you're making me work under someone from the Kethel lowlands Which everyone knows is the real shit hole of Kronos. Yeah. The alien trash of the galaxy. Warps like, what do you want me to do? There's one possible ship I could stick you on

on the ninth fleet. This is it. Yeah. I mean, and Cora is grateful, like grateful to have anything, but like, it makes clear that this is like such a one-sided hate that Marta has. Like, Cora doesn't even remember, you know, he probably like signed a document

that somebody put in front of him without reading it and it struck Mar-tock's name from a list. But Mar-tock is a true Klingon, he should appreciate that. He does not. He's slashed so many palms of hands over the years to make deals that all the palms look alike to him. Well, you would think that Mar-Tok would have a little bit of understanding of this,

because the B plot of this episode is about how many documents Mar-Tok is signing. Derek keeps coming up to him with just a stack of iPads. He's become the thing that he hates. Yeah, it's treated with a lot more subtlety than I expected. Core might be a little too old for this assignment. And the first hint of that is that Wurf tells him that he's been assigned to the Chitang, and he immediately forgets what ship he's assigned to.

He's like, hey, before you go. Which tang again? Soon as Wurf leaves, Core kind of like closes his eye, he's like, Chitang, Chitang. like does that thing like where you you meet a new person? You're trying to remember their name. Yeah, he takes out his knife and On his palm he uses it to carve to tang on his palm Yeah There's a shot right after this scene that is like a god shot of the station with the Klingon birds of prey over it

and a bunch of federationships under it that really made me sit up in my seat. I loved seeing this. It was so cool looking. Yeah, any new angle on the station with ships around it is all right by me. Yeah. One thing that's clear aboard the Chitang

is that the crew fucking loves core, and if you didn't even know the backstory that Mar-Tox said a couple scenes ago, you don't like the thunders' dealing. Yeah. Mar-Tox the captain, and there's a real life war hero on board, and they want to suck his goch so hard. Like everyone's like fighting over it. Yeah, he is the emperor and core is maximus and unlike the emperor, like Marthok cannot

hang when all of the glory is accruing to somebody else. And he really acts like a baby with a poopy diaper for most of this episode in reaction to this. Like he really fucking can't get over this. It's hurtful when someone holds court in your court. And that's what's happening here. I felt some sympathy from Artuck in this scene. He's a total fucking bastard later on in a way that earns far less sympathy for me, but right here I sort of get it. I feel sympathy for him, but I just feel like,

as a leader, you've got to play this differently, you know? Here's what I thought. Why aren't there the old school rules of the Pach involved here? Should they not be threatening to kill each other immediately? I feel like this is a capital offense what's happening here in the mess hall of the Chitang. I feel like they should go to knives on it. Yeah, that would have been nice. On the station we get a scene of Ezri and Kira having a hang. And this was a bit of dialogue that I really liked, like the opening discussion is about,

you know, Ezri kind of experiencing some kind of weird summarizations of what she means to people just really like skeaving her out. I'm sure it'll pass. And Kira, you know, just kind of offering a friendly year for this. And Ezri is like impressed with Kira's therapy skills. And then they just start doing bits about what Kira would be like as a therapist. And I loved it.

You want to try jobs? Yeah, it's pretty fun. They both agree that she'd be terrible. I love funny Kira. Funny Kira is a mode that we know exists and we don't get to see very often. It's one of the things that makes Kira the total package to me. Mm-hmm. I felt even more in love with her in this scene. Odo doesn't deserve her. You're crazy.

Anyway, Quark overhears their conversation like halfway through it. He's got a trayful of beverages. And at the conclusion of this scene, you're kind of like, what half of that conversation did he hear? Because if he came through midstream, there could be an interpretation of a thing that was unintended. Do you need something?

No. You have to remember that Quark is a man with giant ears, so he can hear everything super well. He does not need to be close to the table with a tray full of beverages. Yeah, unless the story doesn't call for him to have gotten the full picture of what they were talking about. So, yeah. In which case he won't have heard critical context. Do you think if you don't umox in a while you're hearing that's worse?

Like you really need, you need to blast those ears. Yeah, you need to clear out the pipes. Yeah. And maybe that was the difference here. It's been a while for Quark, so. Yeah. Quark is seeming a little pent up in the low region. You can't have your parabolic microphone covered in cum.

What a... You gotta clean that thing off. So it'll work properly. So what he tells Odo, because he's like, he's shocked when he returns to the bar and Odo is like, what are you shocked about? And Quark is like, I think that Ezri wants to get back together with Warf.

Which we know is like a real taboo in Tril culture too. And I wish they'd talked a little bit about that. You know, I know it's not my place to say, but that's like against the rules for their people. And it also sucks for me because I was going to try and make a play. Or whatever. Right. I don't know why Odo would care.

Really? It's that like is Odo actually Quirk's friend question. This is kind of a mind-blower for Quirk. He's going to have to come up with a, with a next step here. Well, they needed an F story in this episode. Right. Back on the Chitang, general Marthok is about to fly off the handle about what Quark represents to him when Wurf anticipating this asks Marthok to tell the assembled crew what the plan is, and he describes

their battle plan for sending a couple of ships into to cause some light damage to the first installation they're attacking and then bringing the full force of their fleet to bear when the rescue crews come out. It's a real fucked up, you know, like the Geneva conventions explicitly forbid the kind of war-making that Martak is up to here. You weren't allowed to attack the hospital ship. Yeah. But core is like super into it.

Glad you approved. Of course. And, you know, like any old timer can make a comparison to a previous experience of his, but it really feels like it's usurping some of Martox Thunder. He's an old that has the same five stories to tell, and so he pivots the conversation into one of those stories. He were a Caleb Ball. Of course he was. When the Trelka Five mission begins,

core begins to lose it fairly soon. Yeah, there's a red alert, and everybody's being summoned to the bridge, and it becomes clear that he is suffering from some kind of disorientation. I'm supposed to be somewhere. Too many headbuts over the years, probably, right? Yeah.

This is a pretty wild sequence we get of bird of prey as fighter jet. Yeah, very cool to see the in-admissive combat tactics of the Klingons. Yeah. It's a combination of like practical models that they blew up and CG ships that they added. It feels a lot more like Star Wars than Star Trek,

the way the ships move around. I can hold it. Pull up! No, I'm already. No! I got it! I'm a horror. It's gone.

I love how much foreshadowing we're given to this raid. Like I feel like we hear about the specifics of it a couple of times and I think the repetition there really serves us when Warfin Martak go down during because when Cortex command and authorizes a second pass. Yeah. Everyone knows what a huge mistake that is. Because of how much we know about the plan, we know that a second pass is gonna be fatal, because by that point, everyone's gonna know where they are

and the defenses are gonna be ready. The element of surprise is what this plan was all about. And sacrificing that is dumb. They're not trying to seize this installation. they're not trying to completely destroy it, they're trying to inflict a lot of damage that will be costly and distracting for the Dominion to deal with. And when, you know, Marthock gets like knocked out of his seat and is like riding on the floor, dealing with injuries when Corr kind of like seizes the advantage and starts issuing commands. And what becomes clear is that he believes that he is in the battle of Caleb

for the battle of Maxius sir, that's what it is, which was an ancient by our standards battle that he participated in against the Federation. We know Warf and Martak are going gonna be fine because no girders have dropped from the ceiling of the bridge here. Right, it's all sparks no girders, I would say, is what they're dealing with. Yeah. Come to a parade, come to a parade,

come to a parade, come to a parade, come to a parade. Come to a parade, come to a parade, come to a parade. Come to a parade, come to a parade, come to a parade. A bigard, a bigard, a bigard, a bigard, There is a moment here where like Marthock isn't quite with it to get up on his feet. He's sort of mumbling shit about course stupid plan and then he gets with it enough to throw a knife at core in order to kill him. How many times did you watch the knife catch? I watched it several times. It's gotta be in reverse right? With like a wire?

I thought the same thing. I couldn't quite figure it out because there are several seconds after the catch that look like they play forward in a plausible way that haven't been just reversed footage. Yeah. They really hide it well, however they did it. I thought it was a notably good sequence. I mean, it's an episode with particularly good visual effects all the way through, and

this was a real highlight. I mean... How does Martak have any depth perception for knife throwing though? He should be winging that thing across the bridge, and except he totally bulls eyes core here. The dwarf doesn't catch it. Yeah, core would be, core be eaten knife.

I'm trying to imagine an episode where core does take the knife to the dome. That's how he goes out. I'm trying to imagine an episode where Core does take the knife to the dome. That's how he goes out. And like I know this episode is all about giving him the heroes death. It feels like all of season seven is about heroes exit. Yeah. Do you think that the, do you think that a Klingon bird of prey becomes an easier target when suddenly everyone on the bridge is screaming to the heavens to let Stovocore

no warriors coming for a few seconds. There's no running silent or running cloaked when the screams are happening. Back on deep space 9 quark actually steps to Ezri in the bar. He shoots a shot. This is a scene that starts, like for some reason Jake is hanging out in the bar and like you kind of think he's going to be like a part of this scene at the beginning

and then he really isn't. I kind of thought he was drunk with how he was draped over the bar. Is he like a little drunk? Yeah. But the more I thought about it, the more I was like, Srirach Lofton's a tall drink of water, but they were just folding him over to fit him in frame

for how the scene was composed, you know? And putties also just like given a real chill vibe off, you know, like if a dabbo girl goes on break, she's gonna find the stool next to him. I think giving, for some reason, Jake, a drinking problem in season seven would have been an interesting wrinkle to introduce. Little parallel alcoholism story to to demars.

Imagine how much more a captain Cisco would hate quark for over-serving Jake. Chief O'Brien, like, radio radio zip to ops and is like, sorry Captain, I'm gonna have to put off repairing that bully and freighter. There is like so much vomit on the promenade right now. And I unfortunately think it was your son. You do not want to clean vomit out of the mesh.

Quark's bar. Was O'Brien in this episode? In the very beginning, he's in the beginning shot. And that's it, right? That's it, yeah. In this scene, it had been so long since we've been in the B story, I was like, all right, there is a B story. Here it is.

It's Quark and Ezri and the thing that affected me most about this scene wasn't Quark shooting his shot and potentially missing. It's how right he is about what he's saying about Warf. Warf has done nothing and I mean nothing to deserve you. Whether or not Ezri is interested in getting back into Warf is a relevant when you just think about the truth of Warf not deserving her if she did desire that. It is kind of amazing to see Quark show his whole asshole, Tezry and her be like, oh, that was cute.

Let me give you a little kiss on the cheek. Harmon Schimmerman is great in this scene. Like he gets the spotlight treatment for this moment. Yeah. And the shot of him before the kiss, like there's shot, reverse shot of them. Yeah the one before after he shoots His shot and there's like a pregnancy in oh shit like the realization washes over him Really good moment for him as an actor I thought and I think also a good moment for him as an actor when his

Character is under the false impression that she has fallen in love with him, because he goes back and like glutes about this too for some reason Jake and is excited in a way that is infectious. Like you feel so bad for him for how excited he is. She loves me. What? Everyone knows a person like this,

like when you're crushing on a person, everything is meaningful. He's engaged in a bit of lobeful thinking. Yep. You could mad at me when I do something that might be the title. It's very unfair. He's the king of love for thee. Here's the question.

Ben, is a Moscow UL the first real drink we've ever heard ordered at Quarks or on either Deep Space Nine or TNG? I cannot remember a real drink order like this. It's like root beer, it might be. It might be the first time. Like an actual cocktail. Yeah, yeah. It's like to layer in sunset or whatever.

That's what I mean. That really got my attention. Why are they drinking more real drinks on Star Trek? I don't know, Moscow Mule is one of the few cocktails that is good enough to make it all the way into the future. Yeah. I mean, if you try at Tamarion Sunset, you're never going to want like a martini ever again. You're like, fuck that. Here's a tip. Speaking of the Moscow Mule, Moscow Mule is famously the ginger beer and

vodka combination and the cup that that sometimes a place will make you leave a deposit for. Right, because they give you that copper mug that is so precious. I wouldn't do that with ginger flavored soda water, which is what I'm drinking right now. In fact, I would encourage anyone not to get ginger flavored soda water at all for any reason. Wow, that's a hot tip.

It's not good. Not good by itself, not good with anything else. Okay, I would have bought it if I'd seen it, but I'm glad I know. I've done a thing that I'm hoping you will learn from my example. I mean, there's so many mistakes I want you to make and I'm grateful that I'm not going to make the same mistakes. Yeah. It's basically the foundation of our friendship. Back on the Chitang, core eats alone as Martak walks in. And this is a scene that made me feel like making phone of an old with a feeble mind might

be without honor. This is extremely punching down. This takes Marthuck way past the realm of redeemability because yeah they're like they're dunking on him for being disoriented and or demanded. Like he is some kind of degenerative brain illness as far as we can tell, and Bartok is like a fucking cafeteria bully with his friends dragging Korfor for that fact. Don't you have any respect for one of the greatest heroes of the Empire? Kor does that thing like all he can do really is have that parting shot of like Oh, I can say is live fast and die young my bros

Saver the fruit of life my young friends It's a real cats in the cradle moment, right? Like you'll you'll be like me one day Yeah, you fucking assholes. It does make Mark talk seem like a jerk But then like I watch how much fun He's having with his friends and I am tempted by it. Don't you go dying on me later with war The greatest indignity has occurred. Core has been quietly demoted The plan that they conspire about is is forcing core onto Galron Poor Galron. Yeah.

What's he gonna do with Kor? It's a sad plan because it's basically like, let's find him a desk job somewhere on Kronos. And... Galron famously with tons of patients. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Yeah, it's gonna go great. Yeah, deeply, a deeply patient man. But then they, you know, they're like, they're trying to make their escape from the dominion and they've got just a swarm of ticks flying up their asshole. And they're gaining on us.

They check the fold in space and they do not like what they see. Yeah, yeah, it's loaded with them. And Wurf comes up with a very like starfleet solution to this very cling on problem, which is like gravitan burst, make their warp fields collapse so that they have to drop out of warp and fly at impulse for, I mean, if we can get them at impulse for 10 minutes, we'll be home free.

Am I the idiot that found the math that Warf did in his head completely unbelievable? He basically does a college word problem in his head about like a train leaving Chicago at 3 p.m. going 60 miles an hour. Like he knows exactly the amount of time to distract the ticks in order to make it to Phoenix. Wow.

I did those kind of word problems in high school, Adam. That went to a technical college. Hahaha. I mean, like the solution here is obvious, right? Like they're gonna have to do, like one of the ships is gonna have to drop back and do a suicide run to force these ticks into impulse power and wharf volunteers as the person that's obvious to do it. It's like, wharf, you're not the obvious person to do it. There's one person here that is more obvious than anyone. This is what ruined the surprise for me.

Because on the one hand, I'm like, this is the perfect time to kill Wharf. He's got nothing else to live for. His stock is at its lowest. Kill Wharf. Somebody kill Wharf. It's at its lowest for Wharf, but he wasn't in the mess hall making fun of somebody

for a brain illness. Martox stock in this episode may be lower than Warf's. Yeah. I actually shorted Martox stock right before I sat down to watch this episode and I made a nice little profit. Either we're headed for a brewer session or maybe we're not. In other words, somebody's wrong here. And I'm actually going to invest in Warf stock after this episode because I think it's going up after this. They wrote themselves into this corner though

that does not make the impact of the surprise hit us hard. You know, and that's unfortunate because it was always going to be core on this death mission. It eventually becomes core by the use of his hyposprae in the transporter room. He hyposprae in the transporter room. He hyposprae's war right to the ground. Well, the thing that I wanted more than anything was to have clinging old be involved in the heist.

He has that scene with core where he's like, yeah, here's what their plan is, they've got to like confuse the sensors and shoot a bunch of torpedoes and get a graviton pulse going. And Kor sees all the angles. Like his mind is flagging, but the tactics of this are totally obvious to him.

And Klingold is like, yeah, like, you know, Worf is a capable officer, but this is like, this has got to be perfect the first time, and I just don't think he has the experience for it. But Klingel should have been part of distracting Worf. He should be on that chip too, right? Like, he needs a fucking pretext to die with honor. Another thing that was lacking from this moment, I thought was a musical accompaniment that this moment, I thought was a musical accompaniment that grounded wharf in that kind of emotional sacrifice. There was nothing about the scene other than the dialogue that made me think there

was a chance of wharf dying. Yeah, they don't make you believe it. You could obscure it a little bit by giving us a little bit of like minor key, peanut butter on it. And like if you think about like the, you know, next time on deep space nine ad that runs on the syndicated TV station, right, set it up as this is the episode where Worf like dies in battle. Right. Next week, like Worf is going to go die in battle. Come on, I'm in. It is a good day for core to die, a better day for core to die than it is for a war. I thought it was so interesting that in an episode with some pretty best and breed visual

effects, this climactic battle in which a long standing star trek character dies. It happens entirely off screen. Yeah. But I think it's a pretty effective off screen battle. It's getting the news of this battle from the sensors on the bridge of the Chitang, and holding off on the blood wine until we know it went well. You know what's great about it in context is that their growing distance from core means that they'll know less and less about the details of what's happening with him. Right.

And that is serving the story in that the further out they get and the less that they know means the more successful the mission has become. Yeah. As it goes. The further out they get and the less that they know means no more successful the mission has become. Yeah. As it goes. And you can tell like multiple stories in that scene too because Mar-Tok starts the scene believing that Wurf is running that ship.

And I think that they could have pegged that emotional needle a little bit more. Mar-Tok, like morning, the inevitable death of his brother because he sent him to stop the on-rushing gem-hidar. Would have been a little bit better, but like the switcheroo when Worf comes in with his classic reversal of his famous line. You expect me to believe that the Chitang doesn't have a transporter chief though? That seems like the really slummon it there on the Chitang. Yeah, they don't have a...

Chobrion. No, they sure don't. Anyway, it's mission accomplished. We get a dissolve to mission accomplished basically. Yeah, and a, you know, singing a song in the honor of the people that died to do that at the end. And this got me, man. Like, I was goose bumping it on the couch watching that moment in the episode. I thought I heard singing, sir.

I love that Martok doesn't sing. That detail of him taking his grudge to the grave. So Adam like. So perfect. So you liked that he was like you? Mar-Tok stock. Back up, baby. You want to hold on Mar-Tok right now.

Mm, just a belly full of hatred. Yeah. Did you like the episode Adam? You really want to do this. Here. Now, okay, okay. Let's do it. Do it. There is a really complex idea happening here that I'm not sure is effectively told. Like, I think when you make enough friends

and enough enemies in your life, you realize how little of a space there is between hate and pity. Like when you really have it out for someone, and I don't know what this is like. But that space is so narrow, and so little can change persons' feelings for another between those two spots specifically. And seeing Marta go through that, I thought was a kind of story that Star Trek rarely tells. I think we get a lot of familial conflicts that are neatly solved by the end that feel

and that feel, you know, familiarly familiar to a lot of people. But the grudge is a thing too. And when you don't have a good relationship to someone, how you navigate that is also a thing. And I think it's a harder story to tell. I think this is why. I liked the episode and I liked, I think what people like about this episode is like, we're going to give core the send off, foundational core, core of TOS times. He's a historical figure.

And that is the main takeaway to this, but the B story take away is that disaffected feeling that I think is really difficult stuff to convey. I'm glad it tried, I don't know if it succeeded entirely, but it really made me think. I like your review, I feel really similarly about it. I think that it's a hard mode episode and that's largely very successful at the things it tries and Yeah, I think it's it's a solid one

Thumbs up for me. God your thumb is gross. Did you did you break that thing? Mm-hmm as a youth? Yeah Only people watching the livestream can see how gross it is though It's like it's like four knuckles in though. Hey speaking of things that make me want to stick my thumbs up and I'm do you want to check and see if we have any priority on messages? Already there! Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on top. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship.

Ben, our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. Hey! The message goes like this. We're sending this message to the future from a frankly terrible present. We're pretty sure Janeway has been jacking around with the timeline and hopefully by the time this P1 airs, the present will have righted itself. One thing is certain in all timelines, Jim Shimoda will be working on their fitness. Oh, that's Jim with a G.

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I've met several of their members. Yeah. Back when we used to tour, really, really good looking muscle definition on everyone that I've met from that group. And viewable to me as a more of a sinewie body type. Yeah. There's a there's Ectomorph, there's Endomorph, there's sinewomorph. That's me.

Yeah. Do more there's endo morph there's sinew morph that's me Yeah, if you've met we've met our share of trap queens and kings It's true you know what the gym Shimoda shirt continues to be an unlikely and Unlikely seller for us. Yeah month and a month out people are going for the gym Shimoda shirt We do we do keep selling that shirt Adam our next priority one message is from David and it's to Elizabeth and it goes like this. Happy belated birthday to Shoei who is my wife. And congratulations on becoming a tenured professor! Wow! Wow!

You continue to enrich my life immeasurably ever since that trek themed cocktail party when you let me make you a last word It is green last words a good drink. It is a good drink Being your husband has been a fantastic adventure and the greatest honor. I can't imagine. I love you the most wow very sweet Very very sweet congratulations on becoming tenured-year-dollarsabit. That's fucking tough to do. It's badass. Super badass.

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Knowing everything he knows about that last-stand mission and knowing what we know about what Klingon's want Why does he not go why why doesn't he just say like I will fucking sit on the bridge with you, you know His interests are are so like cores here, that's insane. And like either, you're right. And he's a character that we meet, he's being just degraded by Mar-Tak. Mar-Tak is openly derisive to him. Yeah.

This would be a great way for him to go out, like a proper cling on. Really would, instead he's gonna live out his days as an old. Yeah, this would be a great way for him to go out like a proper Klingon really would instead He he's gonna live out his days as an old. Yeah, not gonna go out like a warrior like that He's gonna go out accidentally driving his car through his garage A Greatest Gen Live Show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post show hangs, to

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