The Greatest Generation - An Entire Premise Evening (DS9 S6E3)

Episode Date: March 2, 2020

When Jake tries to Max Fischer his way into another extracurricular activity at the station, the other members of the Resistance Club take great umbrage. Meanwhile Worf fights a new enemy: the umbrage of his abandoned son Alexander. Is the big spoon the good spoon or the bad spoon? Yes…but is it art? How close is Shavasana to Sto’Vo’Kor? It’s the episode where we’re offered a drink and we ask why. 🖖 Get tickets to GreatestGenKhan II: Star Trek III! 🖖 Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow Adam and Ben on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. Ben, I have a topic for the Marin. This is so great because I had a lot of anxiety about the Marin today. Well, I think a lot like a comic professional, you've got to go out into the world to get your material, right? Yeah, you've got to go take a premise walk from time to time. That's what that's called.

I had an entire premise evening a while ago. I had a an entire premise evening a while ago. I went to a rock concert put on by friend of the show and third host of the hit podcast, Friendly Fired, John Roderick. I went out two nights in a row, and two rock concerts in a row, because he did a Friday Saturday engagement at a great venue in Seattle. Is that a, like, I barely ever go see live performances of music, but I know that there's

a culture of people that like want to go see every engagement and act they like does in their area and then compare set lists and stuff. Is that something that you're in do or? No, I'm not a completist like that, but this was a pretty rare thing because John was playing with the first significant band that he had in Seattle and it was a band that that broke up badly and was I mean, there's a whole mythology about Western day hurricanes that you could make a documentary about even if you wanted to. Oh yeah.

The documentary does not go well in a price. Yeah. So so it was a compelling case for seeing both nights at the show and I was happy to do it. And I and I mean, not to get to the end, but I'm really glad I did. I thought the shows were awesome. Nice. Were you rolling or were you just there for fun?

No, I was there as a civilian, which is great. Like I watch other people shot it, which is a delight. I mean, you and I have talked about this before. How much we enjoy video production. Now that we're not doing it, as spectators, it's the best. Yeah. When I see an event videographer in particular, that is the hardest videography there is, just because there's... It absolutely is, yeah.

Because there's always the next thing that you got to run and go get, and you know, the event's not going to stop for you, so the stakes are super high, and... Yeah, I have a special place in my heart for the folks that do that work. Yeah, solidarity to all our friends of DeSoto who are also event videographers. Anyway, something happened to me in the first five minutes of getting to the first of the two shows that I'm wondering if this has ever happened to you because, and I believe me, I'm using this term

incredibly loosely. It needs a bell and suspenders. We're newly famous, Ben. And it makes being in public a little different, especially at an event like this, where there's a lot of crossover interest between those that, like, what John does and those who like what we do.

I mean, sharing a show with him is part of the reason for that. Right. So I arrive at the show, I'm with some friends where we're watching the music, we're having fun. And the very first thing that happens to me when I enter the room is someone I don't know walks up to me and says, I'm going to buy you a drink. Welcome to the good life. Wow. No kidding. That is not how I took it, Ben. Mistakes were made.

Forgetting myself entirely in this moment, like I sized this person up and I look him square in the eyes and I say, why? And I look him square in the eyes and I say, why? Welcome to the good night. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Which is so stupid. Like, I need to know that I need to assume what that's about. And after a moment, this person explained like he really

liked what we do. He liked our shows, wanted to just pay me a kindness. Yeah. Give me a drink at the show, which was like super nice. I think it's very hard to imagine that somebody says that they want to do something like that and really means it though. Yeah, yeah.

And so this was the first of a number of that kind of interaction that I believe in hope that I got better at as the night went on and as both nights went on. Like there were a lot of friends of DeSoto there. Wow, that's super cool. That came up and said hi. Uh, all of them sweet.

Every, like, to a person, they were awesome. But I am still up in my head about that first interaction. And this Marin might be aimed at an audience of one. But like, I'm really sorry I reacted that way and I was not, that was just an unexpected thing out of nowhere. Yeah. That I was not prepared to contend with in that moment and like I learned from that experience and I and what I did rightly or wrongly was assumed that everyone who came up to me was a fan and liked me for what I did.

Which really does wonders for the kind of social anxiety that I have in large groups of people. Like it sort of flipped the switch. It was, it ended up being a good thing in the long run, but in that one specific moment, I'm afraid it might have been a bad thing for that person who tried to do something nice. So, to whoever that was, I want to apologize. And to everyone else who came and said something nice or tried to, and eventually did buy me a drink, thanks.

That was a good evening among friends. That's cool. I have not had a ton of experiences like that, but that's, you're basically entering the hot zone when you're at a John Roderick related thing. Right. I suppose. I mean, like, I don't assume when I walk out of my house and down the street to go to the grocery store, I'm going to run into a friend of Jisoto, but out in the world, it's happened.

I got, I ran into a friend of Jisoto on my flight back from France a couple of months ago. Like, yeah. into a friend of Disodal on my flight back from France a couple of months ago. Like it does happen. I mean, like when there start to be tens of thousands of listeners to something, I suppose the odds just go up a little bit. It's so much more shocking when you work in an audio medium, though. Right. Like I was part of the surprise of the whole thing. Like I didn't expect to be recognized. Yeah. I go back and think about our tour posters that are often centered

around the premise of one or the other of us is nearly nude. Yeah. I mean, I was making good choices back then, you know. I was fully clothed at these shows, so. Yeah. I don't know what they were going on. Yeah, like, it doesn't seem like if you're not in justice way or rocking knuck. Yeah. You would be immediately recognizable, but apparently you are.

One thing that David Letterman said about being a celebrity has stuck with me over the years since he retired, which was the upside to being famous at his level is that the world feels like his neighborhood. Right. And in a very, very small way, that's what it felt like going to these rock shows. That was that was really fun. Yeah, that's a, I mean, that's a level of fame that I don't think that we're at risk of getting to. But, no, not at all, but at a Seattle rock show with a specific performer.

Like, I think that is going to be a consequence. Weird, it was fun. Yeah, really fun. And now I'm moving away from the possibility of that ever happening again. Yeah, so that's great. Yeah, unique moment that fun. And now I'm moving away from the possibility of that ever happening again. Yeah. So that's great.

Yeah, unique moment that will never repeat. And just to that one friend of the soda who came up to add on, unannoms behalf, I am so sorry. Did I not sufficiently apologize? I just want to I just want to make sure that it's clear that I'm also sorry. I know I know if there's an opportunity for you to apologize You'll take it so I feel everyone's guilt as though it is my own

Yeah, so hopefully that's that can be instructive to you at some point Ben and to anyone else who is maybe struggling with a a change in social status Yeah, why maybe might not be the best first thing to say when someone tries to be nice to you. But it's also just fucking perfect. Like, I could not just accept someone's kindness without scrutinizing it. Yeah. You're under a lot of stress right now, man. Don't beat yourself up too much. You're under a lot of stress right now, man. Don't beat yourself up too much.

It's, I feel like this was therapeutic to talk it out with you. Good. It's over and done now. Well, I think there's a bunch of other characters in the series that we are reviewing right now that need therapy, Adam. Do you want to get into some of those issues? Yeah, nice pivot into episode bin. Let's go ahead and get into deep space 9. Season 6, episode 3.

Suns and Daughters. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. This episode opens up with some hot make-outs between Worf and Jed Zia. You can tell this is still a new relationship because they're doing the make-out against the wall. Oh yeah, yeah. Pushing her up against it.

If you get aroused and you're a Klingon and then you're unable to finish, do you have four blue balls? I don't know. Do you have four blue balls? No, do they have four balls? Or do they have two balls that are ducted into two dicks? Into two dicks. I mean, this is a great question. What we need is a is some more start track sexual anatomy. Yeah. We need day, you know, like next season of discovery, hopefully they show a Klingon

penetrating someone and we we get that shot from behind where we see the balls swinging and we can we can establish What number of balls there are? We need the Akuda Graham poster on the Klingon ships sick bay wall that just shows like The anatomy the sexual anatomy of the Klingon Ships Sick Bay Wall that just shows like the anatomy, the sexual anatomy of the Klingon. It'd be great. Yeah, this make out session is interrupted by Cisco. Cisco to DAX. They're getting back to Starbase 375.

So no, no sex will be taking place. Which, I mean, I had kind of done the math because we're on a cling We're obviously on a cling on ship, but you're not hearing any a chains dragging or Banging sounds so it just it didn't seem like it was on the table from a moose standpoint I felt the same way Especially with how the last episode ended like you remember the last scene of the last episode We're on the planet surface. And then we cut to the ship.

Yeah. I feel like we missed part of that story, but I guess we can make assumptions about what happened. Marta scooped them up. Yeah, there's a, there's brief flip service paid to that. I think Sisko's like, hey, thanks for the, thanks for the assist on that. Which of these buttons calls your parents to pick you up? Because they've gotten the radio from that one guy, right?

From Keven. From Keven. Yeah. We need to talk about Keven. Did we do that joke on that episode? God, I don't think we did, but I got to go back for it. Yeah. Do you have the pod car around to pick that one up?

Just imagine if we had edited something from this episode into the last episode Yeah, could you even One thing we get a little bit of here that we so rarely get is the O'Brien and Bashir conspiratorially making fun of their circumstances like that the The loose O'Brien vibes from the last step have carried over to this one. Yeah. It's a fun way. It seems like O'Brien, maybe more than anyone really resents getting dragged back into being at war.

Yeah. I think it's mainly, it's not even as much in the writing as how Kalamini is playing O'Brien. Like, like, I thought I put all this foolishness behind me and now I'm stuck doing this again. You think they let Ben Maxwell out of prison to fight this war? I mean, they probably need all the captains they can get at this point. They give him a ship.

He's really gonna stick it to these guys. Yeah, probably. I think I would. Like, O'Brien is close with Admiral Ross. They all are. I think he could ask him a favor. Yeah. And Maxwell would be in their cutting gem at our heads off with his bare hands.

I think this is the only scene where we get our main crew. For the rest of the episode, we cut between DS9 and Wurf on the rotor and Wurf has remained there working for Martak. Yeah and Martak still on a bird of prey like a surprisingly small ship for a guy that was like the head general of the Klingon Empire last season. He constantly complains about the missions he gets on the ship, but he never complains about the ship itself. And he really should, because I think that's part of the insult of the soul thing. If he's this great hero, he should have better equipment. And a better crew, like one of the things that I'm arguing about right here is there is they

need to be restaffed, and they were expecting a lot more people than the five that they're being given. Five. I requested 15. And they were expecting those people to be just clinging on warriors and not foreclinging on warriors and one warfs son, Alexander. Yeah. Who is majorly pissed. He is here with a chip firmly upon his armored shoulder. Alexander is different from the others in the lineup

because he does not have Klingon voice. He very clearly has guy who grew up on Earth with the Roshenko's voice, you know? Mr. Warf, Professor Longer Classboard Probe to study the energy field. Why did Warf retain his Klingon voice? It's a great question. I guess he had, he was probably like six or seven years old

when the kid or my massacre happened. So maybe he had enough grounding in the culture. It's like if you learn a language when you're like 10 or 11, you'll always have an accent. But if you learn it as a kid, you might not. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. This as a kid, you might not. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. This is a question that's answered later on, but I was surprised that Marthok didn't recognize

Alexander or know who he was at all. Marthok is not the kind of boss that takes an interest in your personal life, and I can respect that. Yeah, not the kind of boss or family member. Yeah, that's right. We need to talk about that a little bit, right? Like Marthok is family member. Yeah, that's right. I mean, they talk about that a little bit, right? Like, Mar-Tock is like, woof, I'm hurt.

Yeah. You haven't opened up emotionally to me. Maybe that's why Mar-Tock gets the bird of prey. Like, he's just a little too caring as a cling on captain to get one of the bigger ships. Yeah, he's got a bit of a soft touch. Yeah. You would think that Rozenko would would have peaked

Marthok's interest, right? Like, like, Marthok doesn't even do the math on that. Yeah. Does Marthok know that worse last name is Rozenko? Clearly not. Oh, I forgot. Yeah, of course, because Earth, right. Oh, yes, That makes sense now.

Couple of- You know, I have all these personal files in my head. It's... And I'm very old. That must have been over on the right side of the piece of paper. Obviously, I don't see that well on that side. Back on DS9, up on the balcony at Quarks, a meeting of the new resistance is taking place and it's a very small meeting because it just involves Kira and Odo. But only seconds passed before Jake rolls up wanting to join their resistance club.

And that term is so condescending. Is this the resistance club meeting? Cool. club and that term is so condescending. It's, is this the resistance club meeting? Cool. He's one of the worst students we've got. Can you get Jen Ed credit for participating in this? No. Okay. Well, I'm still kind of interested.

Nothing the balcony at Quarks. There's the reserved paper, tent sign on the table up there. And it just says reserved for resistance club in quotes. And it's in comic sands like no one takes it seriously. And it's totally an open view. There was a kid that I went to college with. He was around for freshman year and then like the first part of sophomore year.

And then stopped coming to classes. And as far as anybody knew, he'd dropped out. And then I realized that I, because I was part of the comedy magazine, and when I would go to the weekly comedy magazine club meeting, I would pass the sci-fi club, and he was, he still kept going to the sci-fi club after dropping out of classes. I gotta do that. It was priorities, man. Can't give up that club. Club membership not dependent on student enrollment. I guess not, yeah.

Like he could still get into the university building and all that. I mean, if that's your support system, I think it's good that they let you keep going. But Kira and Odo look at Jake's interest with some incredulity here, and I think they're right. What are you just trying to infiltrate this to write some story for your imaginary newspaper, Jake? That's exactly it. There's nothing about Jake that is trustworthy at this point.

And I think they're right to be suspicious of his motivations here I can help how quirk maybe Does jake a kindness in trying to talk him out of being involved with it if you are looking for something to do I could use another way if his mission is to consume the tea in order to write the stories, I think being a waiter might be a better angle for him to take then resistance club. Yeah, like if this is a bar where people are sitting around openly talking

about fomenting a rebellion, like you can over here a lot of shit at this bar. Quark breaks up the meeting by telling Kira that it's almost time to greet DuCat, which we are made to understand is a regular duty of hers. Every time DuCat comes back to the station, she must be there waiting, and that just feels bad. Yeah, and she's supposed to get her fancy dress on. Yeah. You look lovely just the way you want. Gold to cotton, the cup, gold to cotton.

So... DuCunt comes back and he is busting. He is very happy to see her. And also very happy to be rolling with a certain someone who we thought was maybe getting sent to Bejor to be put in character mothballs for a big part of this season. But it's Zial. She's back.

That should be sent to the pejoran farm where they sent Keko to a tire. Yeah, she's going to be happier there. She'll have lots of space to run around. The effervescence of DuCat and Zial here is basically maintained throughout the episode. But Demar is not feeling this way. It's a real good spoon, bad spoon situation between them. Demar is just positively

brooding throughout. Is the good spoon, the inner spoon, or the outer spoon in your estimation? I mean, I like being the outer spoon most. Really? Yeah. Oh, because you're a cold man. I like to control the heat. Yeah. I hate being outer spoon because I get too hot and then I feel like I have a social obligation to remain too hot.

Oh, no, see, that's the thing. Like, it's easier to wiggle out of a snug if you're the big spoon. You get overheated, you just roll right over. But if you're the big spoon, you get overheated, you just roll right over, but if you're the little spoon, you're stuck. Yeah. I just know that I'm going to be disappointing if I wiggle out of my spoon duties.

Yeah. Daddy Ducat and Ziel, very, very happy. And I almost felt like Ziel seemed like she was drunk on DuCat's cool aid or something. Indeed. Like, she is much happier feelings about him than seemed justified by previous interactions they've had. It didn't take much convincing. Drunk is a great description, Ben. I thought that she may have been drugged or otherwise hypnotized or something.

Yeah. It just seemed so out of keeping with what we know, the truth of her life, And I thought that she may have been drugged or otherwise hypnotized or something. Yeah. It just seemed so out of keeping with what we know the truth of her life to be. Yeah. I mean, there's an interaction between Karen Zial where Kira calls her on this.

And Zial is like, you have no idea how uncomfortable Bejor was for me. And I wonder if just like being on a ship full of people that aren't staring down their ridge noses at her was enough to turn her mood around. Yeah. And so it's that feeling that combines relief and happiness. So how do the combination?

That's where she's at. Yeah, I mean, I wondered about whether cardacians are like that to her too, though, because we know that cardacians have a certain natural xenophobia that can be enhanced with drugs. Uh-huh. Like, is she cardacian enough to be that they accept her as one of their own or are they doing the same thing as the Bajorans? She may be on a 50 milligram dose of Hitler. Coded tablets. Consult your physician of hatred last longer than four hours. Right. Yeah, that's not a meme that we're asking for. It's gonna put that out there. I don't I don't want to. I don't want to see pictures of medicine called

Hitler in my mentions. You're going to get muted if you do that. Speaking of people calling people on things, Mar-Tac does call wharf on this whole. You have a son question, Mark exclamation point thing. It is a difficult subject to discuss. Mark Tak wants to keep the rotor and drama free and blood wine friendly. And this whole relationship between Warf and Alexander is kind of breaking an essential rule. Yeah.

I mean, it's a really tough story that Warf tells. It's interesting to tough story that Wurf tells. It's interesting to hear a character describe something that we have seen a lot of. Like we saw what his relationship with Alexander was like on TNG. He's not fair. The boy is unreasonable. And we know that Alexander got sent away at some point,

but it seemed like their relationship was trending in a really positive direction toward the end. Like there was a lot to struggle against at first and then as Alexander grew and Wurf embraced his role of fatherhood more, I felt like they were starting to really move in a positive direction. And what Worf describes here is that he has not been in touch with Alexander at all for years. And it's basically shocked to see Alexander showing up on this ship. And to Mark Tux credit, he's basically like,

what the fuck is wrong with you? You're a father. How could you do that to your son? I'd never say it louder. I've abandoned my tiles. I've abandoned my tiles. Both now and at the end of the episode, I think it's super clear. Warf, not a good person, and especially not a good father. I don't think. I think that it's good that Warf looks back on this with some Rue and some regret. Yeah.

But regret is not enough. That's my favorite Bond film. Later on, Alexander visits Worf and the father-son conversation does not go well. Enterprise. Worf does not believe Alexander is in this for the cause. He thinks Alexander is doing this at him. Yeah. I wondered how Alexander arranged it that he would be on this ship. Did they explain that

in a way that you understood? They didn't. And it seems statistically impossible that he would be assigned there out of coincidence. Right. Yeah. The story that they should have told is like saving private Rojanko where Warf is sent on a behind enemy lines mission because Alexander is marooned on some planet, defending a bridge somewhere. And then they finally meet him and it's like, he's like not quite what they thought.

I would love that story almost exactly, except if you switched Alexander for whoever Kern turned into. Like imagine the saving private Ryan story where private Ryan doesn't know he's private Ryan. That's pretty stressful. This doesn't make any sense. I have no brother.

Why would you commit all of these resources just to save me? I'm just a humble TSA agent back on Kronos. This is something that we couldn't talk about at the end, but I think, I think whether or not you like this episode largely depends on how much you care at all about Alexander. And at this moment in time, Warf kind of doesn't. Yeah, well, if you're thinking of your cues from Warf about who to care about. Yeah, yeah, you're fucked up. I mean, this is one of those episodes also where I feel like the circumstances of story do it a bit of a disservice because they needed to get dacks back with the star fleets and wharf back with the klingons.

And so the person that can be there to hear worst deepest, most intimate thoughts is not there. And I think she would even more forcefully call him on his bullshit than Mar-Tak would. That's a really great point. And that's, that was part of what felt so uncomfortable about Mar-Tak taking such an interest in war's personal life. Like Mar-Tak really is playing the part of DAX here.

Yeah. Except you know, Mar-Tak is going to finish War Foss. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight's performance, because of Sickness, the role of Jetsia DAX will be performed by General Mar-Tox. Finally, it's my time. Always an understudied never-at-star no more! On DS9, Kira tells Zial that she's gonna have to bail on the dinner that was proposed to her early on in the episode in the airlock. But they do get into the reason

why Zeyol left Bejure in this scene. It's because of the of the feeling of being ostracized that you were talking about Ben. She feels obligated to Duca and her family in a way that that doesn't seem quite motivated. But she's fully committed to the idea of making it work on DS9. DS9 is a place that she's doubling down on as her home. This station is the closest thing I have to a home. This is Zee all being fairly manipulative though. Like she wants to get mom and dad together. And she's like really twisting Kira's arm

in order to make it work. It's interesting, like she's been such a naive and innocent character, and now she's starting to develop a skill of manipulation. And I wonder if it is to do with the fact that she's been spending so much time with Master Garek. Yeah.

Yeah, I think so. Rubs off. The Rotor-Anne meets up with a fleet of drain cleaner class cargo ships and in the mess hall we get these. Or those Cardassian before, but now they're like if they make them in green, they're clang on, but if they make them in burnt sienna, they're kind of like, I like the logic of how these ships look. Like they look like cargo containers bolted onto like a long skinny ship. Yeah, there's a there's an equivalent to containerization of global shipping in the future. So it would make sense that different species

would have similar ships. I like that a lot. Alexander should know better in this mess hall scene because I don't think you can ever trust a Klingon who's being nice and polite to you. And that's it. That's it. This bully Klingon Chattarig is. He's invited him over. He's sitting him down.

Would you care for some grub box offs? They're making fun of everything about Alexander, is he's invited him over, he's sitting him down. Would you care for some grub box offs? They're making fun of everything about Alexander, except for the cake plate he's chosen to eat his meal off of. This doesn't seem like a very good piece of dinner where to be using. Especially if your food is liable to crawl. It's a cake plate with walk handles.

Yeah. Yeah. Did you notice that Gabrielle Union was playing one of the Klingons that boards the ship with him? I did. And I thought it was great. That was so fun. A very young Gabrielle Union. I feel like they gave her the John Teshe part. Like she, they give her a lot of cutaways, like cutaway to expression, and cutaway to a couple of words. She doesn't do much in the episode at all, but I mean, she's got a lot of lines.

It's just mostly like functionary, like she's working in a helmet or whatever. It's work dialogue and that character dialogue. Yeah. Was she famous at this point? I don't think she really was. Now, that would surprise me. I thought this was one of those things that you get a certain level of fame and you say like, you're a big fan of Star Trek and you want to call your

agency. Yeah. Make me a bit part in Star Trek is what I how I thought her story would go. She is like as famous as it gets. Now. So it's hard to imagine a time before she was famous. Yeah. What was her level of fame in 97? She had done like an episode of Moesha, an episode of Family Matters, two episodes of Saved by the Bell cold in the new class. She didn't make the leap yet. She had done like some spots in some TV shows and this was one among many of those and then 1999 she's all that and then ten things ahead of you and she is off to the races for ever ending on. That's great. Good job, I Gabriel Union. Good job by Star Trek for catching a rising star. Alexander doesn't just eat shit at this lunch. He fights back against his bully.

Yeah, I mean, if the guy had put a bunch of yamix sauce on his plate, it would be one thing, but he puts grow packs on, and Alexander is just not going to tolerate that. You can't oversaw your cling on meal. It's just swimming in it. Alexander gets a slice in on Chattaric before being thrown into the buffet table in an

embarrassing fashion. Warf has been watching the entire thing also from some remove, but he stops the fight with a classic open-handed punch to Chattarig's face, and then his punishment is grounding them as if they're children. You will remain in quarters until your next watch. I thought it was interesting, first of all, that the crew has totally cycled over from the people that were on the Rotar and the last time we spent any time on this ship.

None of the familiar faces from that episode are back in this one. And also when Alexander's being bullied, he's called Son of Warf in this like Sing Song Mocking tone. Like they got rid of the old crew from whom Warf had earned respect and replaced it with a new crew that again doesn't respect Warf. It's so interesting how like your cling on house is of such importance and like your family line is crucial in your understanding of like for Warrior to Warrior that's that's so crucial in your understanding of, like, for Warrior to Warrior, that's so crucial in an understanding of them.

And yet, like, Alexander's family line is weaponized in that way. It's a weakness for him. On the station, Zeyol starts opening up to Kira and DuKat about her ambitions as an artist. She doesn't just want to be tricky and manipulative. She also wants to make people feel things by presenting them imagery. And DuKaat and Kira agree that these are great drawings, these very spare brushstroke drawings that she's done. Junk soon to be consigned to the trash heap of art history. And Kira wants to compare them to the artwork of some bajuran Vedic and Ducat wants to compare the artwork

to some Cardassian artist. And that like provides an opportunity for Zialto say that like her great ambition with her art is to build unity and show that there are that many differences between different peoples. I suppose you could argue that all contemporary art is feces. I love Nana Visitor's take here because Ducada is obviously like finds this, he finds this noble of Zial and Kira's take like her face says ridiculous. Whatever face a person makes to purely communicate that word,

that's what she does. Again, with drafting off the stuff we were talking about with the way bejurons were really uncool and racist to Zee-al. Yeah. This is not necessarily casting the bejurons in the greatest light, right? Like the Kardashians are maybe like, don't work in good faith all the time.

And like we have our complaints about the way their society is set up and everything. But at least like, DuCat can see an optimistic future. Like Kira is willing to foreclose immediately on the idea of what the all-Zambition is, which is some cold shit. I'm kind of on curious side about this, because culture is so, as of such importance to the bejorans,

especially art, culture, and architecture. We've been told this season after season, it's one of the things that make bejorans bejorans. And it almost feels like the way that Jenna Bush is invited to be a host of the today's show. Like there's a, the idea that Zial is the daughter of a dictator who's done terrible things. There is, I think, a natural resistance to inviting someone related to that into your culture. When your culture is of such importance to your people.

Like it's the one thing they have control over. They don't have control over the station or being occupied or the planet. Like they have control over what they give value to as their cultural artifacts. And I think it's natural for her to resist this. Yeah, I mean, I think it's also, it also speaks to Zial's like Nivete, which yes, yeah, Jen and Bush seems to flow over with. Yeah. Yeah. And like, we don't want to be the people

that like blame children for the crimes of their parents. But there is a judicial version of that, and a cultural version of that. And you're kind of writing for the second one, I guess. Yeah, I think I'm not. This is a text. I might not be writing forward as much as I'm understanding of it. Yeah.

This is that first dinner back after Duucat comes back to the station and Zial like runs off to do something and we find Ducat and Kira sitting next to each other on a love seat like talking about how great Zial is and then it sort of washes over both of them like fuck she tricked us into being friendly with each other. Yeah. Yep. them like fuck, she tricked us into being friendly with each other. Yeah, yep. And it seems as uncomfortable for Ducat as it does for Kira because he likes the times when he can kind of like force herself to supplicate to him.

And this is just them as peers. Basically mother and father figures just talking over the progress of their beloved daughter. It's the scene in the late 90s movie where the stepkids have conspired to put their estranged parents together in a restaurant. Like they made a reservation for under both of their names. Like it's that kind of thing. Are you trying to parent trap us? The Rotor-Anne has cloaked itself, which means the mission has begun this,

this protection of the cargo ships. And a warf and Mar-Tak discuss the situation. He's pissed at warf. He's pissed that warf has been so distant since Alexander arrived. He's like, I used to have a great first officer, man. And now I'm not even getting the reports I used to get. So he, like, he sort of gives worse, worth the task of making Alexander battle ready. He hears about this fight in the mess hall

and is like, well, that didn't go over well. I think if Chattar could get one over on him, what chance does Alexander have against a Gem Hadar? Are you going to fight the Gem Hadar for him as well? This kind of feels like a reversal of soldiers of the Empire where Warf is being forced to confront the lack of readiness of one of his underlings by Marthok, rather than the other way around.

Yeah, good call. I mean, Marthok has even more skin in the game in this context because he's like, hey, if you're in my family, then he kind of is too. And I think you need to make sure you solve this terrible parenting problem that you've made for yourself. A lot of that is pushing the bird out of the nest stuff, like don't intervene when he's getting in a fight in the mess hall because he needs to learn how to stand up for himself. It's hard because, like, Wharf doesn't have the power to get Alexander out of the ball-kicking machine, which is a place that Alexander is the entire episode,

including here. Like, they get called out to the bridge, it's weird, like they're talking about training up Alexander, and then the very next scene is another shot to the nuts for Alexander, because he forgets to turn off the weapons readiness test, and they totally false alarm this emergency situation. Yeah, he kind of war games them. It's weird that Alexander is the tactical officer on the rotor end, just like his daddy on the enterprise. Yeah.

Except he is not good. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Yeah. Yeah. The big takeaway from this scene is that he's the ship's fool. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of worth really bags on him for this, but that's kind of what Warthroll was in like the first couple of seasons of TNG.

It's true. Do you think it's like the narcissism of minor differences of the reason that they don't get along? I think so. I see a lot of myself in the boring. Yeah. Yeah. If Alexander fails to open doors in this episode, I think we'll know how close that apple

has come to rest. Yeah. You're doing what you're doing now. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh You know, as a demonstration of the new found piece between their people under the boot heel of the dominion. Hand in hand will march into a new era. Please clap. Thank you. Thank you. That will be all. And everybody claps and leaves the room and he says, Kira, do you mind waiting behind and invites her to a little celebration at his house to do with Zee Al's paintings getting into some exhibition somewhere on Cardassia, which from a passage of time standpoint, this kind of felt like it was just the next day.

Like another excuse for Kure to come over. Then I was like, is this like a month later? Like, has like a lot of time transpired here? Yeah, hard to know what the passage of time was. But I think crucially, it feels soon. It feels like DuCat's really laying it on thick with all of the invitations to hang. Yeah. So the first time she got invited to something at his house in this episode it was an automatic no until she was talked into it and this time it's an automatic yes. I'll be there man. Things aren't going well on the Rotor-Anne, W-Slasher, slash T, Alexander's, Mealy fighting skills. A bit warf wishes he had a holiday

gloated with those skeletons because when you just have a dojo and a batlet It's it's not great and he Wurf is not an encouraging teacher Like I feel like Wurf was a better yoga instructor than he is a batlet teacher in this scene It's a is he not doing yoga anymore. I think that might be a big reason why he's got such a hair trigger with his temper. Oh, yeah. He needs to let some steam off. Yeah.

Just cling on yoga class. Warf hasn't journeyed to Shavasana in a long time. Yeah. I mean, he's doing like classic bad teacher mistakes of every time Alexander tries to something just pointing out what he's doing wrong and not reinforcing the things he's doing right. But also like I think that's the actor that played Alexander made really good choices here. Like you talked about his voice being not super cling on E. And I think that that's good. But also the fact that he is a little

whiny when he's fighting. Like you totally forgive him for not being good at fighting, but also you're like, God, this guy sucks. Yeah. Like it's it's it's hard to root for him intentionally. So Mark Warden plays Alexander in this episode and another quality about his performance is that he has resting about to cry face a lot too. Right. Yeah, and he looks a little like, he looks a little doy, you know, he's got, they give him kind of rosy cheeks.

He doesn't look like a rugged warrior. Yeah. He looks like he's been spending a lot of time at the beach. This is maybe the moment in the episode where I wanted to drop this conversational bomb into it. Is this Star Trek's gay son story? Because that was the vibe that I got here. Like, I feel like a lot in the late 90s,

you got the story of like, for example, military dad with the gaysund, like the the hallmark movie or whatever that where he's not a man's man. Yeah, and and that felt like what was going on here to an extent that like, I wonder if they were unable to tell that story specifically and so they they told it the way they did here. Boy, I really hope that that's not what was behind this script because it's real retrograde thinking if that's it is. Like, oh, Wurf wasn't wasn't tough on him enough as a boy and it made him all all femy or whatever. Right, but that like I'm putting myself back in 1997 and going, God, like is that? Yeah, there was.

Is that the dark, the dark center to this thing because there's a lot about both of these characters that kind of match up to that way of thinking. Yeah. Well, I'd say at best an unfortunate comparison can be made between those. Yeah, agreed. You must be pleased. Now you can tell me what a failure I am as a cling on. Things end in this scene pretty tearfully. And before we know what we're back on DS9, it kira is where, I mean, who's the guy you want showing up at your apartment more than anyone?

It's, I mean, Demar is the guy that shows up with this evening dress for Kira. Demar is being insulted and Kira is also being insulted. Yeah, everyone loses in this scene. It's great. Yeah, it's like she's been lulled into a sense of normalcy by Zial and she like is initially really excited by this dress, but then she like it washes over her when she's looking at it

in the mirror and she throws it on the ground. Discuss. Happy birthday to the crowd. This really feels like a Hitler secretary moment, you know? Like you get used to the many benefits of being close to evil. I don't understand. How could you be a secretary to a medication, Adam? Yeah, exactly.

I don't know. Now we're mixing metaphors, aren't we? The show doesn't make any sense. You know what's interesting about this scene and the way it's blocked is that Kira goes along with everything until she looks at herself in the mirror. And this is something that's happened to Kira over time throughout many episodes. It takes her seeing herself to kind of snap out of of the mental state she's in and recognize the truth of her circumstance and the same happens here. Yeah. It's a moment that made

me wonder if any thought was given to the idea of having Kira choose to play this moment with a little bit more deception because she immediately storms into gold doots quarters and starts flipping him a ton of shit about this idea. You don't like the dress. The dress is fine. I don't like you. And like if you're trying to start a covert resistance movement and the head of the station is budding up to you like this, it seems like there would be some benefit in having him think that his overtures are

working. Yeah, she's not considering playing this three dimensionally and that's unfortunate. I think there are many benefits to allowing this to play out if you're her, but she can't turn that corner in her mind. And so she drops the dress off at DuCat's apartment where we realize the DuCat is a re-gifter when he gives that same dress to his daughter, which is sort of creepy as fuck, right? Like, he clearly is attracted to Kira, but a dress that emphasizes the things that makes her attractive to him.

And now his daughter gets to wear it. Like if Trump seemed like the kind of person who would ever give anyone anything, this is the kind of thing he would do. If Ducat was a little more like Larry David, I was, I was expect, like there's so much about Ducat's attitude in this entire episode that is very like bumbling

and Larry David like, that I expected when Kira came in and dropped the dress at his feet for him to be like, no good? But what Kira does is sort of, she does the breakup that a person does to someone that they become close to socially at work and she flips the switch back to work only

as their relationship status. Right. She kind of breaks up with him. Indeed she does. All right, more. On a sweet, more. More. Do you hear everybody?

More. Stop. Habitat. On the Routaren, Worse attempts to get through to Alexander. Haven't worked that well. So Mar-Toc is going to make an attempt. And he comes into Alexander practicing Batleth badly. This is something you see in a lot in like fantasy movies and stuff where

if the swordsman sucks, you compliment the blade. Like, oh yeah, well balanced. Sure. I just pulled it off the wall of this dojo. So I don't think I could take any credit for that. But thanks. That's great. What I didn't like about Alexander in the scene is that he's clearly a loud work outer. And I fucking hate that. And you Jim. You don't have to do that. That's a choice. Yeah. Take your Monica's cellist grunts and get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Martak, though, cuts to the chase, right? He's going to get answers that he wasn't able to get out of Worf, and he's direct.

He asks Alexander why he's there. And when Alexander can't answer the question, he tells him he's going to transfer him to another ship. Yeah. answer the question, he tells him he's going to transfer him to another ship. Yeah, I mean, Mar-Tok has basically all the same concerns as Wurf, but because he's not blood-related to Alexander can press these issues without losing his fucking cool. Right, right. And I thought that that was actually really good, like well observed part of the episode. That's it too.

And the deal that they make is Alexander just wants to get a chance to prove himself. And Martak is like, yeah, that has come and gone. So you're going to be reassigned to one of the ships we are escorting. It's hard to know what Alexander is thinking when he challenges Wurf to a knife fight later because it's clear that he's pissed about being sent away again, but all the challenge does is just get Wurf's attention. Like this scene is so weird to me like I love the I love starting a scene with a knife being stabbed into It's so weird to me, I love starting a scene with a knife being stabbed into a table. That's great.

Yeah. If you were challenged, anyone else in that manner, you would be dead right now. And he's clearly upset about being sent away, but is he trying to not be sent away? Is he trying to have Wharf kill him ritualistically here? I think that the thing with his character is that he just doesn't see a path to an identity, an adulthood that he can abide, that it doesn't go through living his life as a warrior, because that's all he's ever been told. Yeah.

And he basically feels like he needs to do this or die trying because otherwise he'll never be able to find happiness. Yeah. And that's some fucked up shit that Wurf put on him. Yeah, it's true. Something that Kailar was really trying to shield him from too. There's a repetition in this episode of these kinds of interactions, like they keep trying to come to some sort of understanding of each other and they never do. Yeah.

So they get into this space fight with some gemhidhar who attacked the convoy. And this is an extremely laconic fight where they're like, it really felt like they stretched this for time like, oh shit, we we actually have four minutes of episode left, and we really only wrote two minutes of fight scene. Yeah. And we only have 15 seconds of model effects to use,

so let's just add some stuff of people having conversations on the bridge while the fight is going on. His app shields are down to 25. No, 20% and he's losing anti-protons from his starboard in the cell. And, you know, like, there's some exciting model work and stuff, but mostly it's as the climax to the episode, it left a lot to be desired, in my opinion. Yeah, the battle scenes lack of girders was a frustration to me.

I was looking to the ceiling here, looking for that girder that was finally going to take Alexander out. Where is Chekhov's girder? Yeah, but instead of a girder, what we get is the news of a plasma leak that needs fixing. And this is the scene in the submarine film where you send someone you love to go repair the thing in your stead and Chatar goes with him and this is the

point in the episode where I was like RSVP Alexander. I mean, either the plasma leaks gonna take him out where Chatar is. And it's none of those things. It's Alexander locked the door behind himself to deal with this leak. I guess presumably and not risk the other people So he did an act of genuine valor and bravery and he gets like the hand on the shoulder from warf But what do you make of everyone laughing at him? Like I thought the implication was that he fucked up and accidentally tripped the lock down button. I think that they continue to believe that it was an accident and worth knows that it wasn't, but it was valor. Okay. But it's a weird scene. Like it's like the ambiguity of it doesn't serve it. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you cut the laughter bit, it just plays as like Alexander did

the thing he was saying he was going to do. He did a valorous thing. I mean, here's my punch up. The emergency doors open. Alexander's on the floor with a batlet through his back. We cut to Chattargue and he just shrugged What are you gonna do? How did that happen? How about this punch up? They press the button and the door's open and just a slurry of Alexander runs out because he's been plasma today. The pink blood from Star Trek 6. Yeah, he needs the many of them.

You really want to do this. Here, now, okay, okay, let's do it. Back on DS9C, y'all finds Kira walking in a corridor and was like, hey, why did you flake out on that party? Really missed you there. You should have seen the dress I was wearing. I, why did you flake out on that party? Really missed you there. You should have seen the dress I was wearing. I mean, it was very revealing. I mean, not the-

The more I would not stop hitting on me. Yeah, but Kira makes it pretty clear that she's not gonna be the type that socializes with Dekat anymore. She puts her foot down. It's not happening. And, you all may not understand it, but she accepts it, I think. Please don't ask me to choose between you. I'm not. The button on the episode is sort of the extended edition of the Klingon House Joining ceremony.

and this is Alexander Rochenko being inducted into the August house that is House Martok. You can tell that you're on a good ship and you're being inducted into a good house when they make the blood dressing table side like this. You pay a little extra for it when you're initiated into house, Mar-Tak, but I mean, it makes the whole, it makes it into a ceremony. That's nice. Yeah, love that. You get the fresh parmesan and it's a little old fashion, but it's like, I don't care. Yeah, I fucking love this shit. Yeah, real like white table cloth treatment there. Nice job, Bartok.

Did you like the episode Adam? It's weird that we were promised an Alexander episode, but what it really was was a war episode, right? Yeah, I mean, one cannot exist without the other. This ceremony at the end, I think, is it's a thing that happens to these characters, but I don't feel like any of these characters have changed from the beginning of it to the end, do you? And in that way, I feel a little unsatisfied

by what happened here, this app. And I think maybe that's as good as I could articulate it. It feels like no one grew or changed from this. I mean, Kir is the only one that went through any change as a character in her realization. But for something we were promised, I don't think it paid off in any way the War of an Alexander story.

And it made me dislike War of even more. I mean, kill Alexander this episode is what I say. Like drop their giroter on him. If you're gonna keep teasing out this father-son taffy of them being estranged, how many different times and ways can we see their estrangement? I think I'm a little bored by it at this point. It's too series of television that don't seem

to have their heart in actually telling this story in an interesting way. Fucking shock warf into feeling something for Alexander by killing him. Like make him die tragically and bad and give us some pathos to warf, which has been like a major part of his character throughout his life. Like the tragedy of him being without a house part of his character throughout his life, like the tragedy of him being without a house, the tragedy of being an orphan, the tragedy of being a regretful father who never has a chance to make it right with his son. Like go back to that because at this

point, I don't feel sorry for Warf at all. And I feel like the show wants you to and it's incapable of making me feel that way. Yeah, it's a I also think that the script is just very like it feels very mathematical. Like the curia gets invited to dinner doesn't want to go gets talked into it goes likes it then feels bad. Curia does want to go to dinner gets talked out of going to dinner doesn't go to dinner. It's like the same story told two times with one bit flipped in each scene. I just, yeah, it left me feeling a little empty. I think that overall, just like the climactic battle scene was kind of badly done and the stakes of Alexander leaving the bridge

and then getting laughed at later were like confusing and weird and not like, that's one of those moments that in a submarine film is the emotions are like almost operatic in scale when you're sealing somebody into the compartment and it's like, oh yeah, like we forgot to show the part of sealing into the compartment or explain satisfactorily what it was even right Like Steve's on died man. Like let's fucking focus on that. I'm trying to

Imagine if the show had done that if we could ever come out on the side of Judging it as tropey if they actually had, but I don't think so. I think it's something that Star Trek does really well is kill a character in a submarine fashion. Yeah. And I think I would have been into it. Yeah. If they had, you know what I'm into Adam is our priority one message inbox. Do you want to see if we've got anything in there? I bet you're into it. You look like you're into it. You're wearing the colored handkerchief

at your backpack that has a bunch of P1s on it. You want to be P1-don. That's what the color of your head he says. I'm a P1 freak. Yeah. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on this. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplement on it.

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I'm not worried that we're turning into the Mayor Universe. I'm worried that we're already there. And I'm... I'm not worried that we're turning into the Mirror Universe. I'm worried that we're already there. And I'm really glad that, like... I haven't been issued my leather cat suit. That's why I don't think we're in the Mirror Universe quite yet. Oh, it's a, it's on the way. It came to the PO outside. I forwarded yours on to you.

Oh, thanks, thanks. I gotta, I gotta counter my legs before I pull that thing on. Yeah, this stuff stops spying out of August fighting is like really scary stuff. And I am really glad that there are people out there picking these fights. They're like suing the MTA for using facial recognition and stuff.

Yeah. This is like these are big important fights that are super important right now, because this is the like, these are big important fights that are super important right now because, you know, this is the kind of thing where if it's adopted without any complaint off the bat, it's like, much harder, gets harder and harder to unring that bell going forward. That's well put. I'm reading that the surveillance technology oversight project is a 501c3 nonprofit, which means that if your employer does

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maybe more up against it than anyone in this universe right now. And yet I never feel like he's sad or isolated or missing his dad or any number of other ways a person could feel when they've been basically marooned. Yeah. So I wonder if we're going to get that angle to his character. It seems like some meat on the bone there. Yeah, about you Ben.

I am going to give my drink, Shemota, to the character or characters that are obviously having the most fun in this episode. And that is the Klingon High Command. Because it is revealed fairly late in the episode that one of the cargo ships that their XS Gorting is called the Partock, which means somebody in the Klingon High Command thought it would be fun to send Marthock to defend the partock. Oh yeah, they're having fun over there. They're just having fun, they're doing bits over there in the Klingon High Command. That's great. That's great.

Klingon High Council, they're just like us. That's what I love about them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, today's episode was love about them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, today's episode was not one that we loved. Maybe we'll get something we like a little better for episode four. What are we watching for the next episode? Ben and how will we watch it?

Well, why don't you head over to Gach.biz slash game and fire up the game of buttholes. The will of the prophets. I'll do that right now. Well, I tell you about season 6 episode 4, Behind the Lines, while Cisco's promotion takes him away from the defiant, Odo's loyalties are tested by the arrival of a fellow shape-shifter. How about that? Alright. Sounds interesting. Well, what may interest those who follow along with us at our

will of the profits game is that our runabout is currently on square 53, where one square ahead is a Quark's bar episode, and a few squares after that is a looking at each other during. You're required to learn as you play, roll. See, if we hit either of those. Tula! Did I win? Or they? Then I have rolled a four, which has hopped us over anything that could do anything to our

show to disrupt it. Oh, wow. We have been given the gift of a regular old episode and believe me when I say it is a gift, yeah. Pretty hard to imagine what a looking at each other during what have done to us at this moment in time. I mean, it's not us, I'm worried about it,

it's your marriage. I mean, when this, when this episode comes out, I'll likely be driving down the coast with my dog riding shotgun. Yeah, so kind of a lot happening big stuff, but the show goes on. That's for sure. Yeah, nothing's gonna stand about a regular episode me too. I like them. Yeah, they're my favorite kind. I know I'm weird to say this, but I kind of like them. I know. We're to say this, but I kind of like them. I know.

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