The Greatest Generation - Are You There Prophets? It’s me, The Sisko (DS9 S6E6)

Episode Date: March 23, 2020

When the Federation fleet sails into the teeth of battle, only corny poetry can gird the spirits of the Little D crew. But when the battle goes much better for the Federation than is generally known, Dukat tries to clinch victory in the funnest way possible. What is Admiral Beltbuckle doing that’s more important than this? What is the Cartwright/Metallica Dialectic? What’s the quickest way to stink up the Great Link? It’s the episode where we kick a ton of ass before being murdered in thirty seconds. 🖖 Get tickets to GreatestGenKhan II: Star Trek III! 🖖 Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow Adam and Ben on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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I'm Adam Pranica. Adam, one thing we've talked a lot about over the years is the Star Trek fighting that we occasionally are treated to on this and all the shows we review. It's right. Something that has evolved quite a bit, especially on the new shows, it seems like Star Trek fighting is much more Jason Bourne level. Right. Fighting.

But I'm old school and I really appreciate the dorky fighting that was established in the original series and continues in TNG and Deep Space 9. Truly Bill Shattner was the yen wo ping of his era. But I'm not really sure how this happened but we got sent a book called Kirk Foo Manual, which is written by Dayton Ward and illustrated by Christian Cornia. You really gave that a Tin Man read right there. You mean Tin Man? Tin Man.

Tin Man. Kirk Foo Manual. And it's a, this is literally a book that teaches you how to fight like Kirk, which I imagine if you, like if you entered the octagon having built your fighting style based on this book, you would, you would kick a ton of ass. Right. Before being murdered in less than 30 seconds. Yeah.

Ronda Rousey just literally breaks you in half over her knee. Yeah. Yeah, so I had been in touch with the publishers of this book. Oh, really? And they had been trying to send us a copy for many months and our changing PO box situation made it so that it was very difficult to get here, but I'm glad that it finally did. Oh, I got to go check that PO box.

I wonder if the post office still exists. Yeah. Dynamic situation as we record this. But yeah, I mean, I thought it'd be kind of fun to go through some of these. The first move that the book teaches you is Standard karate chop, which is not the Kirk chop. This is a single hand karate chop. You can't just start with the Kirk chop, you get to work your way up to that.

You got to work your way up. This is a book that's broken down into like process like that. So like you're gonna work yourself up into the compound moves but you need to start with just the single chops. Yeah, I think there's kind of there's it's sort of practice and theory. Mm-hmm. From what I can tell, there's a page that you know with several paragraphs of explanation of why. While you might use a standard karate chop accompanied by an image of Kirk giving

a neck chop to a Nazi image of Kirk giving a neck chop to a Nazi, which is a great way to start the book. Who is the author of this? Datin Ward was the author. I gotta say, like, major props to Datin Ward for dropping what looks like 800 words on a description of a karate chop. And then the next page is a kind of step-by-step

of, you know, raise your arm and then thrust it downward. I mean, that's whenever you fight Kirk hand-to-hand, that's always the danger. Like, you know the first shot is never going to land. You really want to be the second attacker of possible. Right, yeah. The Kirk chop is actually the third move in the book. And it is referred to officially as the double clutch.

Or the finger breaker. Oh, man, he's doing it to, uh, it looks like con Nunean Singh is catching this in the face in the illustration. Wow. One thing I really like about these step-by-step illustrations is that Kirk is all, his uniform is always totally shredded by the end. Yeah. So, you know, he's fighting, but he's also finding a way to show a little skin.

He's got, perma smirk, he's got Kirk smirk going big times. He really does. Oh man, we've got, yeah, moves like head, but, what's box lunch? Oh, I love headbutt. What's box lunch? Oh, I love box lunch. Tell me about box lunch, Adam. Box lunch.

I'm handing Adam the book. Box lunch looks to be a move that I did to my brother when we were wrestling quite a bit. You just grab both sides of a person's head and you squeeze. Yeah. Real tight. Wow. It's really like the story of Ricky move.

Yeah. I think. And you know, you hit or you squeeze hard enough, you're just going to explode that head. Yeah. Pop it like a grape. This is the move that you do when you're bear hugged by your assailant. So in this example, we've got a we've got a gorns. Oh yeah. This gorns is uh has got curc- Oh my god! Captain Kirk's a gorn! Oh no! He's a gorn! Yeah so once you're in the the bear hug this is basically all you can do is do the box lunch. Yeah. And then you ask the gns once he gets back from school if he liked his lunch. And should the gorens say anything suspicious

about what may or may not have been inside, you can tell whether they actually ate it or threw it in the garbage. You can tell that that gore entrated his tuna sandwich for a ding dong. It's important to remember that, while parts of your to feds training won't be effective against every alien race,

certain physiological elements tend to be universal. Most living beings possess visual or auditory organs that are vulnerable to attack. This is the whole not every species keeps their genitals in the same place caveat. Right. So remember adaptability, quick thinking, and improvisation are the same place caveat. Right. So remember adaptability, quick thinking, and improvisation

are the key to survival. You know how like if you go to a Star Trek convention you can pay like 350 bucks to get your photo taken with Bill Shatner. Don't you think they could get like 25 people to pay a thousand bucks to take a 20 minute Kirk Foo seminar with Bill Chatner. All I want to do is walk up to a stage photograph with Bill Chatner, slip him 50 bucks and ask

for the box lunch. I slide him a 50, he slides me as room key. 50 bucks is basically... It's basically pocket change to Bill Shattner. Yeah, yeah, you gotta believe the box lunch is more expensive than that. Yeah. What this book looks like is a fun gift, and this is not like branded content or anything, but this looks like the sort of thing that you give to a Star Trek fan.

It's like got a ton of fun comic art work in it. Yeah, I really like the art style. It looks like a coffee table or back of a toilet book. You know, something you flip through. Yeah. Flying drop kick. Oh, flying drop Kirk. It's not a kick, it's a Kirk.

That's a lot of fun. It's a Kirk. Oh no! Your router is actually really good. I've spent too much time with that guy. It's starting to show. Well, Adam, speaking of Compat, there is an abundance of it in today's episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9.

You want to get into the episode? I can't wait. It's Deep Space 9, Season 6, Episode 6, Sacrifice of Angels. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. A show title that was misspelled on its screener discs. Ben, it was called Sacrifice of Angles. Really?

Yeah. Is that true? Oops. This looks like maybe the first time we've gotten a mix of CG ships and miniatures in the same sequence. As far as I can tell, because we open kind of showing the federations and the dominions facing off the two huge fleets that we dun dun dun the last episode with. And I thought that the that the Kardashian ships look like they were maybe rendered. But then when you see

like the galaxy class ships and the hood class ships on the Federation side, those are definitely model miniatures. I don't say this to correct because I feel like my role on the show is one of support and lifting each other up. I think I'm the optimist of the show. I think everyone knows that. All people can talk about. But this is the first space battle on Star Trek that was specifically all CG. And the reason... Really? The reason I'm not considering this correction of you is that I think it's great that it was confused as Model Work and CG.

I think that actually says that the CG is effective. Yeah. If it doesn't look as bad as CG often can in moments like these. I suppose it's an easier target to hit when you're finishing to standard definition. Yeah. That is a great call. But I mean, we saw, I'm not sure if it's these sequences or sequences from elsewhere in the series that they showed in what we left behind when they showed the space combat

at 4K resolution from Deep Space Nine. But I mean, that stuff looked great in what we left behind, but it looks great here. And it looks, it fooled me. I'm an idiot. This is, I mean, for the lower threshold of quality, one must attempt to hit when you're creating CG effects for standard definition.

I think it's one of the moments in Star Trek where you're like, oh man, if only you had these res depth, you get a little bit of this in that dock. Yeah. You were saying, but it's breathtaking as it is I found. I have said this several times and and I will say it again. If CBS wants all access to really feel like a great value proposition, put HD or 4K deep space nine on there. Yeah, that'd be big.

That would be huge. Just spend the money, just do it. We go inside one of the ships in this armada, it's the little D and people are scared, nog is scared especially. But in times of great crisis, then the people of Starfleet have scripture and that scripture is the poetry of the 19th century. Into the mouth of hell, not the 600. Whatever it is you two are reciting, I wish you'd stop.

God. Only that. Only that can make them feel brave and strong. O'Brien Bessier has such dorks. The dorkiest. They- what's crazy is no one is concerned about the weakest link on the bridge, which is Nog. Go back. And about making him feel better at all. We know he's the weakest link because even though he's a commissioned officer,

Chief O'Brien is talking smack to him. Right. And nobody says anything. Yeah. This is a fun sequence because we see the federation Armada and from the little D Cisco's calling plays and he's got this stuff down cold. Like we're not looking at the view screen. He's just sort of like pointing finger guns at people and delegating tasks. And he knows where everyone is on the board.

And when you cut to DS9 and see ops and do cut, like, they're around the pizza parlor arcade gamification of the scene. And they're like actually looking at ships and their movements here. They're doing that like World War II, War Room thing of taking a little pool queue and moving the ships around the map of the Atlantic.

I don't think that's an accident. We're supposed to be given this idea of different amounts of involvement in this plan by both DuCat and Cisco, and Cisco's just got it in his blood. I would love for there to have been a moment where Cisco is running the entire tactics of this battle from the bridge of the little D and then just cut back to Starbase 3 blah blah blah and show Admiral Ross like lighting a cigar or something.

What are you doing at, Admiral Ross? Isn't this the most important thing that is happening under your command right now? Where are you? The sound of holodeck doors opens He goes in to do his his weird private detective program. What's a computer a generated beauty like you doing in a gin joint like this? Admiral Bell buckle doesn't need this shit. You are all. It's great. Promises have been made, like, use the thing when we cut to ops, we're seeing these fleet movements and we've got maximum chill. Yeah.

Because the minefields coming down in eight hours. The minefields coming down, they're gonna have their reinforcements, they're gonna have their Ketra cell. Co-payment. That's all good to go. Yeah. And Ducat is brimming with confidence. He is built an impenetrable fortress for himself.

And he's also brimming with the confidence of a guy that knows he's able to make his primary political foe look dumb in front of their boss. Right. Because change later is there and Ducat kind of puts wayune on the spot and says, can you analyze the battle plan that the federation is going to attempt here? I think that's, I think it's mean for a lot of reasons, but maybe primarily that he knows wayune can't see the game board the way other people can. Yeah. His visual acuity is such that it's probably just all a blur. That's a real punch down doot cut. Like the guy that has

worse eyesight than you. Yeah. Getting the jokes. You do see it, don't you? Also, way you know, some people are reluctant to like go to an optometrist, like do the hard work of taking care of their own health, maybe getting some glasses if they need them.

Yeah. Like, don't stick own health maybe getting some glasses if they need them. Yeah, like Don't stick to vanity get some glasses. I could never hope to match your Elecans and like they don't have to be that coke bodily these days like they have these high index Materials that form and function. Yeah, it's a little bit more expensive. You know why way you and not getting glasses fin He's got no ears to put the arms on, right? What he would need is morpheus glasses that clip to his nose. Nose clipy ones.

Yeah. I wonder if he could make a contact lens work on top of his existing contact lens. It'd be great. Yeah, that would be fun. There's a coworker of mine who out of nowhere started wearing the stylish contact lenses that are like not animalized,

but animalized are a version of these contact lenses that you can get. And her choice was like super crazy blue, like the craziest blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's crazy, like with no announcement or social preparation, like you just show up to a workplace that way. Yeah. I mean, it's less intense than changing your hair color really radically, I think, but I feel like it's like more insidious because you like might not notice it if you're like not looking the person in the face

Which I probably wouldn't be the first several times I had the interaction. That's what I'm saying You don't have to look at a person's hair, but you sort of have to look them in the eyes. Mm-hmm. I would disagree So, Demar has a proposition here, you know, in light of these events. It may be good to propose, it may be good to institute some greater security. Namely, Demar is a brilliant investigator and has identified the entire resistance club. The entire resistance club that is still, despite the fact that one of their members has been arrested, meeting in the open and discussing their plots in Quark's bar. Kira Quark and for some reason Jake are at the bar and they're doing that thing where Quark is standing nearby, looking like he's taking their order, but he's not.

Acting is what Quark is doing. Yeah. The table that they're gathering around is also a changeling that looks like it's a table, but it's not. Yeah. Acting. They realize that they're kind of getting down

to the wire here on the keeping the butthole plugged up issue. And they're thinking maybe the thing they need to do is bomb the central computer core so that the station won't be able to finish the job. They're kind of coming up with the outlines of this plan when DeMar comes in. Back to the inner body. Yeah. With a bunch of Sean Durham and arrest the whole lot of them. Yeah, more can I for him? Yeah.

It leaves quirk behind as the last resistor. Yeah, Demar, who has identified everyone in the resistance club, fails to realize that the brother of the guy he already has in custody might have something to do with it. I like Demar and you're really making him look bad. I just thought that this was a strange oversight. I mean, I like that court gets stuck doing this and I like that court established that he didn't love the idea of it going in.

Like, he's a selfish man and I really like that that his actions aren't self motivated, that he's forced into this at all times. He's forced into it. And but it's like we see tons of examples of this right now where like people that are normally super selfish are like, uh, like, can we maybe get like a universal basic income for three months? And you're like, like, where did that come from, Mitt Romney? Like, where did that come from, Mitt Romney? The battle rages on. And what's happening here is Cisco's plan has been about targeting the Cardassianships only because he knows the Gem Hedarships are going to stand firm and resist all of their

impulses to break the chain. Yeah, the Cardassians are much easier to harass and get a rise out of. So if they can get them to break ranks, there might be a hole that they can punch through. And I thought that this was like pretty well described in the dialogue, but the actual ship to ship combat moments didn't illustrate it that well to me. It's the problem. I wonder if you had 16 by 9 aspect ratio if it would be more apparent. Yeah, maybe. I think probably also the problem is that the terms of this are so based on armies on a field.

And it definitely feels like they're bringing up the archers and sending the light horse to try and do a flanking maneuver on the left. The hood is most definitely the light horse. Right. But this is a three-dimensional space battle. So what they did with the visuals didn't always line up with what they were describing. It felt more like fighter jets

than ground forces. And I think that's a good instinct to have when portraying a space battle Yeah, the galaxy classes getting into the fight was big fun I loved that that shout of the of the two galaxy classes doing like a strafing maneuver on a bunch of gollor class Destroyers. Yeah, meanwhile like the Arbor item is like all of the plants are falling over. The, the cetacean tanks are bursting and dolphins are, are choking. Every ship's counselor is like, please, captain, for the last time, can we separate the saucer

and use the battle bridge and the star drive to do this, to do this work. What we should have is a cut to and from the Armada and then like 16 saucer sections just left behind. Yeah. Waiting. Just hovering with like one defiant class ship guarding them. Yeah. It'd be great.

That would be awesome. You know what the hood stays behind to guard the saucer? You know that's what would happen, right? Yeah, that's what that would do. Yeah. Me, guys, just haul my butt back and forth between star bases. He's like, the cetaceans can hang with us. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Back on DS9, Ducat is pre-celebrating because he understands what Cisco is trying to do. This is a big secret. Like a chess master, he's seen all the moves several steps ahead. And it's Sukah that is planning on breaking the chain and allowing many of the ships through in order to close the door behind them and smash the armada that way.

It's a drop! And it's also an opportunity, you may not get another one. out of that way. He's trying to toast their inevitable victory with Wayoon who declines to drink on the job and also kind of declines to engage with DuCott's gloating. You know, he's less Wayoon more wet blanket. He's described as an adonic in this scene and I've never been more seen by an episode of Star Trek than I was right here. I was like, is that me? Is that what I am? Yeah. Could be. Yeah. No, you like to have a good time. Yeah. I've seen you have a good time. Yeah. But I am very not into having a good time

until it's time to have a good time. I do not celebrate the thing until it's done. It's interesting how throughout this episode and really starting here, wayunus instrumental in the entire thing. You could argue that he's really the boss of it, even accepting change leader, and yet the way he acts is so detached at all times,

right, that you never feel as though the shit is going to hit him or the win is going to hit him or anything, right. And I think just as a storyteller, what you're doing is you're removing the stakes from one of your main characters in an interesting way, right? You're placing them directly onto Ducat. Right. I mean, because changelage is another character like this. Like, she doesn't care about this ultimately. And when you're creating a conflict where many of your primary combatants don't care,

what an interesting challenge you've created in telling a story. Right. don't care. What an interesting challenge you've created in telling a story. Right, but it sort of makes it seem like if you are a changeling or are very close to them as a Vorta would be. It's actually an element of safety for you in this story, in this universe. Right. This is also just like really long scene. It's a kind of an exegesis of like the different philosophies of the Vorta versus the Cardassians, like talking about like what victory means. Yeah. Wayoon is like, hey, I think actually contrary to what everybody was talking about in the last episode, Earth might be the key to the Alpha Quadrant. Maybe we should just go kill everyone there. If there's going to be an organized resistance against us, its birthplace will be there.

Doot-Cot hates this idea because to him, the way you know you've won is when everybody's like, yeah, we should never have disagreed with you at the first place. You were right. Doot-Cot's a real admiral cart right about this. And Wei-Yun is not. Wei-Yun is kill him all and sort the bodies. Right. It's funny how he is more

like Napoleon, I guess. Is that who said that? Yeah. Or Metallica. Oh, yeah. It's a real cart-right Metallica dialectic. All right. Wei Yun is so interesting at the end of this scene because he's truly curious. And like I think he's just bemused. He's truly curious. And I think he's just bemused. He's truly curious and bemused by DuCott. Like he's not gonna take DuCott's example as inspiration in any way. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, like DuCott is sitting there like complaining

that there aren't any statues of him on Beijor. And while you see DuCott for the bozo that he is, but also is just content to enjoy watching him bozo around. And he's not gonna be like, well, DuCott, that's not actually realistic. Like nobody will ever erect a statue of you on Beijor. There's a weird like Peter Venkman quality of that way, wayoon.

Generally you don't see that kind of behavior in a major appliance. In like he's observing something ridiculous and it's not hitting him negatively. He's just proceeding from the premise that it's okay to be curious about everyone. Yeah. Everyone is trained. Everyone is a real weirdo. Huh, that's your thing. It's sort of the vibe.

It's Venkmaning. Yeah. Huh, that's your thing. It's sort of the vibe. He's fangbaning, yeah. Odo is feeling left out of this conflict and change leaders continuing to pull all of his strings about none of this mattering, speaking of things not mattering to characters on this show. Yeah, I really liked this because it's a cut from Cisco's office to Odo's quarters.

And I happen to watch this episode with headphones on and I notice that the hum of the station changes noticeably between those two places. History will prove me right. I have new Zodom. Which I really liked the idea that, like, depending on where you are, the acoustics of, like, the machinery of the station would hit you a little bit differently.

Oh, yeah, that's cool. Zodom is definitely starting to waver on his commitment to being a kinky link daddy with her. And she's telling him, like, oh yeah, like we've arrested Major Kira, we'll be executing her shortly. This is all going great. Like you should, you should be totally team, team shapeshifter right now. Yeah. And this kind of snaps him out of it, I would say. It sure does. I mean, it's, it's the Rubicon for him mentally should Kirra be taken off the board. I think Change Leader knows that Odo will be hers forever. Right. But you can't just delete an X's number off of a person's phone

and expect that to end the thing. I think that Change Leader made a bad calculation here. Like, if she'd just had Kira killed, she could have kept Odo preoccupied for long enough to do that. And then, and then they could have, you know, she, like the forgiveness, I think, would have been a lot easier than the permission. I think that's the test, though, right? I think, I think change leader knows what she's doing. And she knew that that would be the point that Odo couldn't go behind. Like, I mean, you only want Odo to join your great link

if he wants to of his own volition. Like, you can't, you can't. He can really stink up the great link if he's there unwillingly. Right, right. And that's the whole point. And this is the main way to realize whether or not he's in it for the cause. Yeah, you don't want to stinky great link. Now, you want to smell that link. But

it gets Odo off of limbo. And I think that's what makes the scene crucial, right? Yeah. And there was a great link enthusiast. And now he's more of a dabble. Yeah. Yeah. The ramifications of getting off of it are also not explored in this scene. It's just you see that he realizes that he's been a bit of an idiot for a little while. Right. So, we cut back to the great big space battle. And you know, this is a Federation fleet that is greatly outmatched by the Cardassians and ticks that they're fighting. And the battle has really started to turn against them

in a bad way when... It started to go all-handsen. Yeah. It's a real Wolf 3592, the secret of the use type situation, going on. And this is when Gandalf, like, the Klingons show up. Look to my coming at first light on the fifth day. on and this is when Gandalf, like the Klingons show up. Look to my coming at first light on the fifth day.

They provide the cover, like the scene is, they're breaking through the blockade. Yeah. And it's that moment where the little D is like, all right, you guys, we're ready to go. And then they look behind them and no one's there. No one made it with them. Yeah, I went, like another scene where I wished

that there had been a cutaway to just a bridge full of klingons, like rubbing their nipples as they get blown out of the sky by ticks, like, oh, yes. Oh, death on glory. I couldn't believe that they were the only one to make it through. Yeah, little bit silly. Super silly.

It would have been better if they'd had like one or two ships get through that were like a little fucked up and they were like well maybe like turn around and harass the you know do a little rear action on those ticks. Young man, that appears to be a picture of your rear end. I feel like this show is usually very good at the whole asking you to suspend disbelief one time thing. Yeah. And this is an episode that asks you, I think, to do it three or four by the end of it. Yeah. And this is the moment where I think doubt creeped in for me.

It's like, oh, okay, well, if it's just one, what are they going to do against the station, which also has a bunch of ticks around it? It felt a lot like the, we're taking a tick behind enemy lines episode. It's like, okay, you're kind of needlessly putting them alone, like putting them alone in a way that doesn't feel. Right. Earned more is that it's cool than that it seems like a viable right thing to happen.

We cut directly to ops and do cut and dem are are considering what to do about this rogue little D heading their way. And where you ones like go ahead and destroy it. And do cut is like let him come here. It'll be more fun this way. Yeah. He chooses the fun route. The fun route. Uh, it's different. I mean, He's a hedonist, he wants the fun route. Why you and wants is an adonic, he doesn't want the fun route. It's true. So we cut to Zial walking around in the habitat ring and she goes through a door and quirk grabs her and puts his hand over her mouth.

Don't scream. And then asks her whether she's got any cooking skills to speak of. Today we're gonna do shooflay. I mean, I think you need to explain yourself before asking the question, right? But this is a thing that comes back a little later. Quark gets the order wrong many times on his demands.

It's what makes him a nightmare to work for, I bet. Oh, yeah, yeah. When he's putting a ticket in with the kitchen at the bar. The worst. He's like, he's like, maybe the worst expediter in the history of the restaurant industry. You're not supposed to put the parsley on the plate. Actually, that might be an Adam Ragusia thing, right?

Oh, yeah, put it parsley on your plate and not your steak. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, also, if you're out there and you happen to be Adam Ragusia, let us know if you're okay. Yeah, haven't heard from the goose in a while. We like him a whole lot.

Yeah, if you're mad at us, let us know why. The next scene is in the security office. Lush from Medicare. And one of my favorite characters in this episode, in this season, in DS9 appears. Major Kira has already been fed. This security guard is great. And I think mostly because I can't figure out

what he's doing with his voice. It feels like that scene in, you remember at the end of Peewee's big adventure when they're watching the movie version? Yeah. And Peewee's cameo has, they've looped his audio. It sounds like he's looped.

Yeah, I kind of thought it sounded like he was maybe doing a demar. Yeah. I know you are. What am I? But yeah, I'm not, I'm not really sure and I'm not sure why he says Mr. Herman, Paging Mr. Herman. I love this guy.

He's so weird and that's why. Yeah. Like outside of his voice, like, like the way he inspects the souffle by getting his face like two inches away from it is so insane. Yeah. He's the kind of stone that doesn't know how his body works.

And so like when he gets up off of his desk, it's like he's like trying to put his feet down in the right order. So much fun. So Quark is in there with one of those room service plates with the lid on it and underneath is a souffle and this guard needs to check it. Look at that souffle. Let's admire it for a while. Make sure that there is a force field file in the souffle. What is he poking it with? He grabs something off of his desk.

in the souffle. What is he poking it with? He grabs something off of his desk? No, stylus. And one way to check is to stick a big skewer in. Pen? Yeah. A conducting baton? After we're going to go conduct the Gemheadar Symphony Orchestra. That much is unclear, but Zial reveals the sidearm that she's had under the entire time. And that sidearm at him is a hyposprae. Yeah, to the dome. Yeah, you don't want to get that right. You don't want to apply directly to the forehead. I love how sometimes it's a souffle is just a souffle. There's no bomb in

that souffle. That souffle was all misdirection. There was not a big file in the souffle to get out of jail with. There wasn't a rock hammer. That souffle was for a face. Yeah. So Quark gets a cake to the face gag on this guy and then murders to Gem Hedar in the next scene. I think that it's, like Quark is a bad person, but he's not a cold-blooded person. And I loved that about this scene. Like he comes in and announces himself to the Gem Hedar rather than just shooting them in the back, like which would be the most expedient way to get rid of them. Yeah. Like, he comes in hoping and praying that he's going to be able to do this without murdering anyone. But isn't that in

keeping with everything about him this episode and for a while? Like, he's forced into this plan. Yeah. That he doesn't want to be a part of it. In, in the scene plays out the very same way. Like he's forced to shoot them. He was never just gonna enter the room and do it himself. I was trying to think if he's ever shot anyone before. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Hard to say.

I know he's got bodies. Every bartender does. Yeah, right into Drunk Shimoda, G-Mail.com, I'm sure it's happened, but I just couldn't, I couldn't put my finger on a time. But like the way he reacts once he's killed these two guys is definitely like, I can't believe I just did a murder. Yeah.

Like, he needs to go sit down on the floor of a shower for a while. Like that's how he's feeling. Yeah, he's got to, he's got to talk to counselor Troy. Yeah. Really process what he's done. He needs to make his way out to the gathering of saucer sections. Talk to one of the many ships, counselors, you know, who are stationed out there.

They're just idling. They're waiting, I mean, and it would be good cross-training for them because when the StarDrive sections get back, the ones that do... Could you plug any StarDrive section into any saucer section, you think? They've got to be cross compatible. Oh, yeah. No! Said the virgin for his entire life. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha I know I've ever said. It's good.

That was very nerdy. Don't let John Routerick know you ever said anything about that. Up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, He's been drinking on the job, though. That's true, which you don't think of as being do-cots vice, I guess. But, but pride definitely is, and that's, that's definitely what he's exhibiting here. When you and Tidea is great, I think, and practical, he's like, look, there's been a jailbreak. We're gonna get Odo and change leader to ops,

ops is the safest place on the station. Yeah. And it is. Right, it Ops is the safest place on the station. And it is. Right. It's sort of the bunker. And Odo's like, you know what? I'm going to... Yeah, you're right. Ops is really the Hitler's bunker of DS9.

Yeah. And Odo's like, you know what? I think I'm going to chill out around here. Maybe I'll link up with the Volkster. There's that look of understanding on change leader's face. I think I'm gonna chill out around here. Maybe I'll link up with the Volkster. There's that look of understanding on change leaders face, but I know that's just a projection because her face doesn't change expression ever. But you think she's understanding of what's happening here.

Bioto choosing not to go to Ops. I think she knows what she did with the whole Kira execution plan. Yeah, it's interesting that her not caring extends to this, right? Like, even though leaving him behind is almost certainly going to cost her this strategic holding of the station. She's always been 10 moves ahead anyway. She doesn't put up much of a fight, but there is very much that I thought we had plans and then I don't feel like it anymore. Anything where you're like, oh, this is gonna, this is gonna be

a tough one to get over. Yeah. So we got to ROM and Kira running and gunning down hallways and into cargo bays, fighting off Gemadar. They've got some Gemadar guns, so it's some pretty violent shit. And then they're like hunkered down behind some materials in this cargo bay. And ROM can hear that something in the acoustic nature of the fighting has changed. And realizes that Bajoran rifles are being used. Do you hear that? And when they poke their heads out,

they see that a squad of Bajoran security people have somehow overpowered a squad of Gemhidar with Odo at their head. Maybe, I guess maybe the Gemhidar wouldn't shoot back at them because Odo was there and if they hit Odo. That forgives this second suspension of disbelief. Like if that's your head cannon, I think it works.

But wow, could have used a cutback to, so that it's not just a cannon. Yeah, why? These the most lethal soldiers in the galaxy are getting overtaken by a bunch of guys in beige pajamas. Because an element of surprise is not going to be sufficient for the bejorans to get the upper hand here strategically. Yeah.

Even though that's what Odo says. Never underestimate the element of surprise. So Odo loads Kira and Ram into a Jeffries tube. And then- You remember how to fire these, don't you? They're never gonna see it coming. Yeah, Odo's commitment to not using a gun persists even in this moment.

Yeah. So he loads them into a Jeffers' tomb. He's gonna go off and see if he can't make some false alarms around the stations to distract the gem at our... I love Kira's, I don't forgive you, face, and attitude here. Yeah. Boy do I know this face.

But the like, we're putting on a brave face because we've got to hang out with friends. It's sort of vibe. We just arrived at the dinner party but we fought in the car the entire way. That's exactly what Kira's got. And you know, and our visitor has that in her. I think she's drawing from a well of personal experience to make this happen. When we get in the car to go home, we will continue this conversation.

And that even is the reaction that Odo has like, oh, this might take some time. Yeah. In ops, we get to see what do caught rationale for having Cisco be allowed to make it back to the station was, which is that he wants to glow. He wants Cisco to see the minefield get destroyed, and the butthole, gap open, and dump zillions of ticks into the alpha quadrant.

This is the board queen plan. What? Your future's end. And unlike the board queen's plan, it actually works. We actually see the station fire phasers on one of these mines and it has a ripple effect It takes the entire field out We get ROM realizing he was like a millisecond too late down in the Jeffries tube He's turned off the station's weapons, right?

But he does that's what he had time for that's what he had time for but he should have just been doing that from the beginning I love this moment because it fucks with your, your optimistic expectations for a Star Trek show. Yeah, like we're used to watching television and movies where it's down to the wire and the heroes snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Clip the right wire with one second left. Yeah. Yeah. And this is not like, this goes way past that. Even as the mine started going off,

I was like, well, surely the mines are going to stop detonating halfway through. Yeah, they're going to be like, oh, we missed the self-replicating unit on one of them or something. I thought this was really well done. Yeah. And so the only Hail Mary Benziska has left in his arsenal is to go into the wormhole itself and

face down the oncoming fleet of 2,800 Gemadar warships. So we go in and I feel like we haven't seen the inside of the wormhole in a really long time. I felt that way for me too. And also the profits, I feel like we haven't spent any time with lately and This is a bit of a profits ex-Machina this episode It is it's also an instance of another Starfleet captain ordering his crew to do something that is unexplained Yeah, very specifically he orders them into the wormhole without reason. Right. The crew responds and takes them in there.

And then Cisco positions the ship ahead of the giant armada, and it just sort of becomes clear to the crew what's going to happen. They're going to make their last stand in the wormhole against hundreds of ships. Yeah. But Cisco never devolges that. And so by the time we're in the fantasy scene with the profits, no exposition has happened. It just kind of appears there. And what that does is it makes it seem as though it's plausibly been planned the entire time by Cisco, but maybe not. You definitely seems confused when he shows up in profit space. Why have you brought me here? He doesn't seem like he's expecting it.

Cisco's confused by talking to the profits at that point, then Cisco is dumb. And I know he's not. Yeah, yeah. I wish that we had a little bit more of the mechanics of this. Like if, if it wasn't... When you stop in the wormhole, you talk to the profits. If you don't stop, you don't.

Yeah, but if there had been times where he's like, I need to talk to the prophets and they won't pick up the phone or something like that. I believe it or not, I'm not home. And this felt like a thank goodness they answered this time. Are you their prophets? It's me, the Cisco. Ha ha So he, yeah, he wakes up and it's sort of the the seven prophets you meet when you die. Yeah, moment. It's very much albumy.

He's kind of trying to talk to them about like intervening here. For a long time though, like for almost half of this conversation, sis goes like, fuck off and leave me alone. Yeah. Like, why are you, you're holding me back from this thing I'm here to do? They keep saying he wants to end the game and he realizes that that means they've, they understand that he is making a last stand. He expects to die in this moment.

And he says, well, if you don't want me to die, do something about those dominion reinforcements. I think that they dropped some of the a-temporality of the of the prophets for this scene. Like they definitely don't seem confused about like the end of his life being the end of a span of time. They don't seem to be confused about like right now would be a great time to kill all these jambhadar. There's something a little dark about Cisco's proposition to in a, I'm gonna kill myself if I can't be with you kind of way. Wow.

Right? Like, I'm gonna die if you don't intervene. That's just what's going to happen here. And that is the kind of blackmail that felt a little bit unexpected from a character like Cisco. But I think in the moment, he's really reaching. He's not expecting to be here, I guess. He's faced with the most powerful force in the quadrant. He has an opportunity to make an ask.

Yeah. And he comes back from this profit experience, not having any certainty about which way they're headed. You described it as Deus Ex Machina. And I want to interrogate that a little bit more here because like I am on the one hand in agreement with you. But on the other hand, does it qualify as Deus Ex Machina if you've got it in your backpack at the whole time? Right. Forever. This is less incidental than that usually is. Right.

And when it's incidental, it's super fucked and bad. But this is like, the profits have been on Benzisco's gun holster for seasons and seasons. And now he's willing to draw it. Yeah, I guess we've just never seen them actually like do anything, and that's sort of the point of the scene. You want to be gods, then be gods. I need a miracle.

It's not clear to me that the wormhole aliens do want to be gods. Right. But. Yeah, it was fun hearing Cisco explain them to them. Yeah. Yeah. They also started a whole religion on Beijor,

and I expected for a moment, one of the proverbs to be like, no, we didn't. Yeah, what's a religion? What's a Pach? Yeah. They start to kind of use some of the terminology that we've heard Bajorans use, which I think is a shift.

Yeah. So, yeah, it feels that way. Anyways, he comes back from this experience, and the ships are still bearing down on them. He's getting his crew ready to fire when the ships just sort of fade out of existence. And I love that chief O'Brien's like, fuck, they've cloaked!

Fuckers, come on! It's kind of in keeping with the religious theme of that moment with the prophets. Like, I kind of got rapture vibes from this. Where did they go? Yeah, it's just, it's just happened. What happened? Shoes left over.

What is the bumper sticker in case of rapture? This car will be unoccupied. Like the wormhole is now unoccupied. Yeah, the moment that they come back out of the wormhole and we cut the ops and do cuts like oh boy here that here comes the defiant with a zillion ticks behind it. This is going to be fun and then it doesn't happen. It's great. It's it's so rare to see doot-cat totally disgraced. Yeah. He's like he's there to be a menace most of the time and to see him like on his knees in other despair is kind of cathartic,

you know. They do it with his hair the way they did it with Odo a couple of seasons ago, the broken samurai with the hair undone. Like he starts to lose the page boy a little bit. As he becomes more unhinged. He's got data with a briefcase full of plutonium hair. It's a great payoff to the earlier scene of like, Ducat fires the bullet that destroys the minefield. He thinks his gun is still working. Yeah. And when he goes to use it again on the little D, it doesn't.

It's a perfectly crafted surprise for him. There is no reason he should think that there's any problem here. Yeah, it's great. Long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long and Ducat immediately thinks to Zial and wants to go find her personally. Demar, as it pains to prevent him from doing this, but... The theme to Space Ball is the movie starts playing as everyone goes to the Escape Pod. Watch out! They try and set self-destruct, but it doesn't go and they're like, Fuck, even in the future nothing works. Ducat gets in and sits in an escape pod,

but he sits on Warren's lap and tries to buckle his arms like you see, but... Oh, man. Yeah. Uh. Let's just keep talking about our favorite part to Space Balls. Yeah, I like that part about the Crush I'd Gunner,

for example. Oh, he's got to resolve things with seawall. I love the handheld camera, doot-cott when he's stumbling around on the promenade looking for her. Yeah. It's just like the the shakiness of the camera work there, like really makes you feel how unhinged he is, like how his entire conception of self has crumbled before him and he's just like, he's working on animal instinct now.

It's great to see the composition of someone who is so clearly broken with a scene that is also broken. Yeah. Like, what's going on around him should be terrifying and bad, but I think this is Mark Alamo's finest moment on the show here because what he is doing is so much greater than what's happening behind him. He captures the energy of this vast room that he's in. Like he's on the promenade and shit is going wild behind him.

But there's not paper flying around, there behind him. Yeah, there's not but there's not like paper flying around There's not looting. There's not sure to use that running under a heron fire. I'm really dropping glass door Yeah, you you would think that like but yeah, it's still gemhead are still walking around in formation And so it is it is the unthinkable happening behind him. For sure. He catches up with Y'all and she's very happy to see him. Father. Oh, see y'all.

It feels like a fantasy. Did it feel like I thought for sure their meetup, it was so loving and beautiful in that moment that I thought for sure he had lost his mind to such a degree that she wasn't there that she would just like Reference around her and she would be in substantial. Yeah. Yeah But I think this is in keeping with your observation about how it was shot and cut Yeah, the sequence is so dreamlike and crazy feeling that I couldn't I couldn't trust what I was seeing initially until I was made to.

Yeah, well, and it becomes clear by the end that his mind is really broken. And I think that we're kind of getting very much subjectively his experience in these moments, which is why it would feel like that, right? Like it feels like a dream because he's insane. Yeah. And in this conversation, Deal reveals that she baked the souffle. She was instrumental in causing his downfall here. And that's Altemar,

who happens to be there, needs to hear to fire a phaser set to hole punch on Zeyol, taking like an apple-sized chunk out of her chest. And he leaves DuCott weeping over her. You know what I mentioned this being Mark Alamos finest hour, but like this is the moment. His grief over her, his begging her not to leave him in death. I thought it was beautifully done. I thought he performed this so amazingly. I really felt something here in that moment.

Yeah. And it feels like you don't like DuCad, but you don't like to see this. And it feels like a crazy emotional swing when the next moment is Cisco and his team coming through the airlock to applause like yeah, you're like, oh wow like that applause was earned through a lot of pain and grief You know even if the pain and grief was inflicted on somebody that deserved it or whatever. Right. Like it's sad to see Zalgo and it makes this moment feel a little bit more complicated. That celebratory mood is so interesting coming on the heels of the death of not a minor character on the show. General Marchock comes aboard the station and says, Captain, excellent work.

Now this station is half hours because we hope you win it. Yeah, that should really be the conversation. You know that's gonna come up over there barrel of blood wine. Totally. We get a moment with Garrick in the infirmary with Kira and Zial. Yeah. Pretty melancholy. with Kira and Zial. Yeah.

Pretty melancholy. I was very interested in the stages of grief here and who is feeling it, not that you want to rank who feels someone's death the most. That's not what death is about. Everyone grieves in their own way. However, if you are creating characters here and writing a show, I was very surprised at how sideline Kira's personal grief is at this exact moment. Yes.

A person who maybe has the most complex feelings for cardacians and for Zelle personally. Look at the way the scene is blocked. Like she's in the background. This is Gerek's scene to feel. She's soft. Focus. Yeah. I mean, to feel. She's self-focus. Yeah. I mean, it makes it clear that she had that moment already. Already? Already. But it seems mental that they didn't include that scene in the

episode. Especially because Garrick has worked so hard to suppress any sort of affection for her at all times. Right. Right. And even in this moment, like, this is the moment where it's okay for Garrick to let it all out. Right. This is this is the time for catharsis. He does not achieve that. So even now, we don't give it to us. We don't get that. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of catharsis to be found in bits and pieces in, you know, in the scenes surrounding this, you know, Ben and Jake meeting back up, quirk, with a couple of davo girls on his arms. It's a little soon for things to get back to normal, right?

Right. But yeah, like we've got a hollow sweet date in one hour was maybe the biggest suspension of disbelief moment in the whole episode. You wanna know what the real version of this is? Everyone going back to their quarters and seeing them fucked up. Yeah. Yeah, what do you think? Gemma D'Art trash hotel rooms?

Absolutely. I guess you're probably worse off with a Kardashian had your room while you were gone. Yeah. Then a, then a, because Jim had ours. So like, I mean, talk about inhidonic. They don't even shit, you know? Yeah, I mean, I gotta believe.

Do they sleep? I was just gonna say I don't think your bed needs to have its linens changed if a Jim had our estate there. I think the bed's gone unused. Yeah, but if you come home and find out that like, Demar had your room. Yeah. And he was like taking hangover dumps

every day. Brutal. You do not, yeah, I'm gonna sleep on the little D. That's the case. Yeah, Worf's the only one that's really going for an unbroken continuity. Right. He's actually getting an upgrade,

because he's coming off a bird of prey. Yeah, I mean, but that's one of the story beats here. The the wedding is on. Yeah. The wedding that everyone has been waiting for. The button on the episode is to cut in a cell, a broken man, and he gives Cisco his baseball back. Yeah. As a symbolic giving back of the station, to Cisco. And yeah, he's like talking to himself, talking to Zial. Yeah. Homie has messed up. Might want to bring to Kat over to that cluster

of saucer sections. Yeah, you could really use some help from the various counselors that will be available to him. I think they've got schedule availability over there. Yeah, probably if you lose your start drive, your schedule opens up in a big way if your counselor on a saucer's action. Not a lot of in-greef start drive sections

on their way back. They're just gone. Our start drive section got blown away, but we got a start drive section from a different ship actually. And so my schedule is back to totally full. Wow, yeah. You know, it's so much harder to rebuild section from a different ship actually. And so my schedule is back to totally full. Wow. Yeah.

You know, it's so much harder to rebuild a book of business after an incident like this. Yeah. Yeah. Really terrible. You really want to do this. Here. Now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it.

Did you like the episode, Adam? I've found it a really satisfying conclusion to this eight episode arc. I think, and I think the reason for that is primarily due to the Dicat Zial story and how it ended. I think absent that, it might have felt a little light and easy. There's a feeling you get when you see Arm moda versus our moda that, you know, like the stakes couldn't be higher. We've got all these ships and lives.

Yeah. But it's interesting how, like, how difficult it is to feel that way without seeing a story of death told in a smaller way. Right. Yeah, we have death and loss. Like we're not cutting around to these ships

and seeing their interiors and girders falling on people. So it's hard to really feel. It's too abstract. Yeah. And it's like, it's wild, right? Because you keep hearing them say like, oh, like, we've lost the reliant for. Yeah.

I think they say that they lost the C-tack at one point. Yeah. So they have enough ships that they're starting to name them after airports. Right. But when they say that, that means like hundreds of people died, right? If they're naming ships after airports, it means they're also naming ships after presidents.

Wow. Yeah. You hate to see that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I liked the episode as well. I think it was a good arc. And you know, like one of these, we talk about like how this is kind of like one of the first shows in TV history to to try for things like this and I think

you know not having a roadmap, not having previous television to base an arc like this on makes it all the more impressive that it hangs together as well as it does. I've gotten used to the hot tub water and I'm wondering if I'm gonna wanna get out like in the episodes to come, you know? Like because this is such uncharted territory for this show and for episodic television in general,

I wonder what the bends are gonna be like when we go back to Jake Sisco gets a girlfriend. For example, like, really? Are we going to start telling stories like that again now? I know some of this show's best episodes are still to come. I know that reputationally. We're going to get some really great work here, but the stakes are going to feel different and I wonder how that's going to feel as we're watching. I mean, we've got 20 episodes left in this season, so this is a pretty wild way to start a season off and then have 20 entire episodes to backfill. We're really clinging to the drama of a wedding, you know.

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Be dumb instead. Oh, rice. Hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in line. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line. And boy, what do I? These giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they've such short nacks.

But I'm hearing we need to get on this arc. We've got to get on the arc. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie?

We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boat. We came two by two. What do you think? Ono Ross and Carrie, available on maximum boat. We came to you by two. What do you think? Oner Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. Zappen. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! I really loved the guard, but he's not the guard.

I think the guard to name him, my Shimoda would be too obvious. I gave it away early on. So here's who's my Shimoda's gonna be. The very first fighter to get shot and destroyed during this battle. Someone's gotta be first. Yeah.

And it sucks. I think when you're first, like, like red six is going in. Yeah. And you're in with them. Like we've cut to the exterior. Like we're in the dog fight. And as soon as I saw that guy picked off, I was like, oh, in battle scenes and movies, I always look for the first guy. Yeah.

The first guy to die. Yeah, yeah. I always want to note that. Yeah. Like, like even if they're not center screen, like that person deserves to be recognized. And so I'm just going to say RSVP that first fighter. Yeah. I think their sacrifice should be recognized on our show, and I'm going to do that with my Shimoda. Nicely done. My drug Shimoda is the resistance club. The idea that you, one of your cohort would be in jail on death row, getting executed for the terrorist plot that you guys helped put him into.

And then the next meeting is at a bar that anyone can walk into, and you don't know that they're there until they're right behind you, like Demar, for example. I want to know for the purposes of our scorekeeping, if we are giving one fifth shares to all of the members of the Resistance Club, or if the Resistance Club is one unit that gets the one Shimodo from you. I mean, I think it's up to Colin Dinsmore

to kind of figure out how that distributed. It's not our job to tell him how to do that. Yeah, that's, all right. It's up to him. All right. Up to the game of Buttholes. Will of the Prophet is how we will be watching and experiencing the next episode of our program, Ben.

Yeah, the, what we're looking at here is run about that's on square 23, right ahead. We have a banger, a little bit beyond that is a Venaked Now episode, which is the one, the type of episode that we have to record live from the bathtub. So, uh. What? Wouldn't that be great to have to be in the same tub? Ha ha ha ha. No one wants that. It's impossible.

It's an impossibility. We would have to find a workaround. Yeah. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. So, I'm gonna go ahead and roll this. Tula! Did I win?

Oh I think Wow, we have jumped over everything You frequently roll sixes and I frequently roll ones. Yeah. Good job, by you We were on square 29 with a nice wide open expanse in front of us. So regular old episode next week of The greatest generation and oh, I should probably tell the people what that episode shall be. Gotta know that. Is it the wedding episode? You fucking know it is.

Goddamit. The episode is season six episode seven. You are cordially invited. And uh, the description is this. Warf's plans for a traditional cling on wedding are threatened. When Mar-tox wife refuses to accept dax into their family, wow. So, Mar-tox wife, kind of excited to meet her.

You know she's a sturdy woman. Yeah. You'd better know when you go to the grocery store for her, whether you're getting 2% or full fat milk. Wow. You know what? I had some reservations about a post-dominion war life for the show, but looking forward

to keeping a little light like a sepis. That'll be fun. I don't think this is, I think the Dominion Wars is still gonna be a factor. You think? You don't think it's over? No. Oh, no. All right. Cause the change leaders still over there

in Cardassian space. Yeah. Still got a bunch of Gemma R-6. I don't know, we never saw her ship leave. Oh. How do we know? Maybe she just got flushed down a toilet. Yeah.

She's up in the pipes of Deep Space Nine. This is why we aren't in writer's rooms, Ben. Our ideas are terrible. Well, one thing that's not terrible is the ongoing and generous support of the friends of Disodo. We know that this is an especially hard time for a lot of people right now. And we are not, we're typically reluctant to date the episodes,

but we're recording this on Monday, March 16th. Yeah. Should anything we've set up until now feel wildly out of proportion with what may be happening in the future? Yeah. A pre-apology, post-apology. I'm not apologizing, we don't know what's gonna happen in the future, but we're doing the best we can.

Doing the best we can, and we hope that this is something that is a comfort in a very scary time. So. That's a great point. It's a comfort to me in this scary time. Yeah, it absolutely is. So thank you for continuing to listen, and if it is still within your means

continuing to support. And we should also thank our buddy Adam Ragusia for all the original theme music on the show. He has a great cooking YouTube channel that you should definitely check out. Of course, Dark Materia made the original theme music for the greatest generation. The card song and it was kind enough to let us use it back when we first got into this crazy game that is podcasting. I mean, the only way to win this game is not to play.

Yeah. We got to thank Bill Tilly, who makes original comedy trading cards out of every episode of the show. Stay safe, Bill Tilly. Yeah, he's on Twitter at Bill Tilly in 1973, and he uses the hashtag GreatestGen to post those cards. They're always really fun to look at after every episode. Big, big love to all of our friends at the Soto out there.

Yeah, send a new, the most love, and I guess by the time this comes out, we'll be sort of into week two of a lot of people being on varying degrees of lockdown at least in the United States. Yeah, and I think our plan is to try and do some I don't know do some like live streaming or something just to like be out out there online having fun. Yeah, they're in these virtual streets. Yeah, out there in these virtual streets You know just doing some fun stuff so that you know people that have Tough for time being home alone, you know have some stuff to engage with so keep your eyes on our social medias for that Cuz we'll be we'll be trying to do some stuff. So I'm at Benjamin A.H.R. on Twitter and Adam is at Cut for Time

I know that the Facebook groups a lot of the greatest Gen Facebook groups are planning a lot of fun stuff right now So if you're a Facebook user definitely go check out the greatest Gen group on Facebook There are all kinds of activities and kind of virtual hangouts being being planned over there Yeah, I think the point is kinds of activities and kind of virtual hangouts being planned over there. Yeah, I think the point is, you know, physical isolation doesn't mean being alone. And it certainly doesn't have to be that way. So I think there are a number of areas and avenues you can take as a friend of DeSoto to be part of this greater community.

And I think there are a lot of welcoming people that they're ready for you. That want to have fun with you and help you through this. So, be safe out there, make sure you're taking walks, you know, going to the park and walking around and breathing some fresh air is recommended. You know, it's not just, you know, close the door and lock it behind you. Unless you're over 65 or like very immunocompromised. Like part of what's gonna get us through this is just good self-care. So, love to all of you. Part of what's gonna get you through this is taking medical advice from me and Ben.

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