The Greatest Generation - Ask the Husnock (If You Can Find Any) (DS9 S3E21)

Episode Date: January 14, 2019

When Enabran Tain devises a military strategy straight out of the Admiral Hanson playbook, the fight does not go well. But when their plan to splash the Founders puddle gets them all wet, Garak must choose between escaping with his friend or going down with the ship. How do you pronounce Enabran? What do you do when you have too much bag? Are you a thermos or a jacket person? It’s the Ginuwine “Pony” album of podcasts!

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,

and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate

in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic

and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecisoto for labor.com. That's friendsofdisoto for labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Welcome to the greatest generation, Deep Space 9, to Star Trek Podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Prandtica.

Cheers Adam, I'm Ben Harrison. Yeah, that sounded nice. Are you drinking out of a crystal goblet? I'm actually drinking out of a brandy snifter because I'm drinking some brandy. Look at you! Yeah, my- That's very Michael Cain of you. My wife got me a belated holiday present in a bottle of St. George Apple Brandy.

It's one of my favorite spirits on the planet. St. George Apple Brandy. It's one of my favorite spirits on the planet. Saint George Apple Brandy. Yeah, it's so good. It's like biting into an apple if it was boozy instead of sweet. Oh, well now you're speaking my language. That sounds great. You just drink it out of a snifter. That's the only prep you have to do. Just take it to the dome.

Yeah, no prep at all, you just, yeah, snifter or similar. And it's, it's fucking delicious, man. I'm drinking this because we had a, we had a dice roll on our last episode that determined that episode that determined that this was a Quark's bar episode, but due to some unforeseen sobriety conflicts that you have, you're not gonna be joining me on this journey of drunkenness. It's so weird how that cuts both ways, right? Like a sobriety conflict should be something to celebrate. I'm excited for this. This is gonna be fun. I'm just gonna take comfort in the fact that I have a a weapon to bludgeon you with. At some point in the future, I will be able to make you have a drunk a soda. Whether you like it or not. It's installing a bit of stress and conflict back into the show that we haven't had since the Beatles.

I like it. I'm all for it. I'm all for that level of stress and conflict. Bring it on. Kind of a throwback. Ben, I'm drinking, I mean, I'm not drinking to get drunk because I told you before I cannot. But I'm drinking some of this bozal miscal. Yeah.

Really, really good. That's the Tobaii shren. Yeah. That stuff is great. This stuff might be rocketing to the tap of my list. Wow. Is it gonna, is it gonna do a displace Kazamigos? The price point of Kazamigos makes it really hard to resist.

Yeah. That's an easy choice. What is that about a $75 bottle? Yeah, I think I got it for less at the spirit shop, not far away from you, but the bozal is a little, it's a bigger step up. It's a spendy bottle, yeah. Yeah, yeah, but you can taste the spend, that's for sure.

You know what? Like, God, how often, like liquor is such an interesting thing that way, and that, like, if you take a shot at a bottle that you've heard is good and then you don't like it, that's a real bummer. I've got a couple of those bottles, but it's what makes. Yeah, if you get to it makes it so great to hit one. It's like hearing a single off of an album and then buying that album and then the rest of the album is nothing like the single and you don't like it, you know. It's the genuine pony album of problems. Yeah. How disappointed you were in the rest of that album? I sure was. You know, I never got that one.

I felt like my cup runneth over with Pony the year that it came out and it played non-stop on the radio and at every school dance I attended. Why did they ever let Pony get played at a school dance? It isn't even suggestive, it is explicit. I went to very permissive, progressive schools, you know. You went to sex high school? And I failed! I failed miserably!

You know, I'm looking here at your grade, Spanjaman, and it sounds like those aren't the only things you're having a hard time keeping up. You're saying I was impudent in high school. I had a bad case of ED when I was 17. I mean, I was just doing a little scene. I didn't really have any more back stories than that. Okay. Well, I'm only having one glass of this because it's special and then I'm going to switch back to the, to the mezcal I was drinking before. Yeah.

Just some El Celenzio Espodine mezcal. Oh, that's good stuff. That's good stuff. It's a nice, easy drinker. The thing that's clear, Ben, is that the choices have been made this episode. This is a Quarx Bar episode for you. It is not for me.

I'd say we've both in a way made bad choices this episode. Okay. We have cast our own die. Our own dies really. We know what this episode is going to be for us personally, but what will it mean for the characters of Deep Space 9? What do you say we get into it, Ben? It's the second in our two-parter, even though it does not say improbable cause part

two. It's season three episode 21 of deep space nine the die is cast And we open like we open in the first part of this two part of we're back at a meal this time Bashir is gone with his plan B. It's not Gary, it's O'Brien. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien, this is fucking spectacular! I love the choice that Kyle Meene makes of tucking the napkin into his uniform like a bib. It's a real like 50s dad at the dinner table kind of vibe just just totally focused on his food because why why talk? The thing we know about O'Brien up to now is that he doesn't like

Plated fancy meals with dignitaries. What my theory presupposes is maybe O'Brien likes eating alone and only alone. He doesn't like eating with Keko because he doesn't like her food. He doesn't like going to state dinners. He doesn't like eating with Bashir. He's an alone eater. I think that's fine. I'm down with that. I went to a hamburger restaurant yesterday and ordered myself a burger and sat there

by myself and ate it and enjoyed it. The way a burger should be enjoyed alone. Yeah, staring out in the middle distance Focus on all those ingredients and trying to keep the sandwich together in my hand Is this a burger you would throw out there to our greater viewership as a as a good burger? Yeah, or do you now want to ruin it for yourself by telling our tens and tens of thousands of listeners? I wouldn't want the secret about five guys to get out. No, the secret about five guys is, Ben, it's a secret that you and I learned about

on our way to Max von Konnys. The secret to five guys, burgers and fries, is the hotdog. Yeah, the hotdog is banging. That is a dope dog. Yeah. You can't get it when you're by yourself, though. You gotta split that dog.

Hotdog for the table. I went to Shake Shack with my father not too long ago and they have a Chicago dog on the menu there. Oh, really? And he ordered that not familiar with the premise of Chicago dog and he's like what's all this crap on my hot dog? Oh No, yeah, I Encouraged him and he he went ahead with it and then enjoyed it greatly, but that's such a strange thing to have happened the like Ordinarily I think you're one of the more adventurous eater friends that I have in my life. Like you are often drawn to the

strange and interesting on a menu in a way that I really enjoy, but like I would never expect anyone to not know what a Chicago dog was before ordering one. What a strange predicament. Yeah, I mean, I think it's also strange just because like my dad is like my dad was born in the 40s Like he's been around a long time He's traveled. Yeah, he's a he's a pretty cosmopolitan dude I got you know like I think what it is is that there's like a taxonomy of food terms That is pretty overwhelming if you don't kind of make it your business to be interested in them.

That's fair. And I think people of our parents' generation are often like far, far less adventurous, eating-wise than we would hope. Yeah, and I think he is an adventurous eater, but just hasn't... Not that I should call go Chicago.qualifies certainly. No, but just like, they're being meaningful distinctions that people argue about on the internet over is not something that's a part of my dad's life, you know? Like, he's never heard anybody pose the hypothetical is a hot dog a sandwich

and wouldn't care to follow up on that, even if he did. Well, we are very alike in that way. Oh, shit. Are you throwing shade at our network mate, John Hodgman? I would never throw shade at Hodgman. I just don't care to adjudicate that question. Yeah, you're glad somebody's out there doing it. It's just not you.

Absolutely. Like getting a medical degree for me. Like, it's terrifying idea to even think about having the power of life and death, but I'm glad somebody takes that responsibility on. I think you have a little more power of life and death than you even realized day to day bin. What I like about this scene is that it seems like Bashir is not privy at all to all of the momentous shit that is going on

around him. What do you want me to say? He's not picking up on these non-verbal cues that O'Brien is screaming at him. Like all of the droop movement and stuff and the fact that Odo and Garrick are still missing is a big deal and Bashir is sitting there yelling at O'Brien about contemporary theater in a way that was fun

to hear, fun world building, like the idea that human playwrights are kind of obsessed with ripping off alien play premises rather than delving into the human experience at this time in history. Do I really like? I like knowing that. Yeah. But O'Brien is kind of like, hey, listen,

let's either eat or talk about some actual shit. My mother taught me. If you try to combine talking and eating, buffalo, you'll end up doing neither very well. This conversation is Deep Space 9's version of the string concerto in 10 Forward, though. So often, Star Trek turns its attention towards how drama nerdy the writers room is with these references.

And so sometimes these can cling. I don't think this is an instance of that, but I think this is an adjacent example of that. But, Shira asks O'Brien about what's up with Garek and Odo and O'Brien says that in addition to a Cardassian cruiser, the Starship Portland has been dispatched to look for them. What do you think the Starship Portland is like? I mean I think it's got a bird on it. You think when they send down an away team, they beam them down with fixed gear bikes. When they send down an away team they beam them down with fixed gear bikes

Do you want to do some hack Portland bits with me? Bits bits bits You're always doing bits. It's it's it's no matter what you're always doing bits, bits, bits. No matter what, you're always doing bits, bits. Bits? I was doing bits. Bad bit moment. Bad bit moment. Yeah, they keep their phasers not in holsters, but in sleeve garters. They pull their spaceship into the space dock for a resupply of dilithium and they just

sit there waiting for somebody to come out because they're not used to pumping their own gas. All I do is bits, bits, bits. No matter what. You know, I'm having a hard time making fun of our friends in Portland. They've really done us right the last few times we've done shows there. Yeah, but they have a good sense of humor about themselves. I mean, when we did a live show, our most recent live show in Portland,

we spent a cell at 10 minutes just doing, like, landzend and LL Bean material, so. You know what, I wanna give a free plug to my friend, Jace, in Portland, who by this time has opened up his first brick and mortar restaurant for Friday, I'm in love. Oh, yeah.

And the only reason I say that is because Portland better make sure that it's a successful opening. Friday, I'm in love, makes a great sandwich and even greater perhaps, breakfast burrito. Yeah. If you're anywhere near the Portland area, highly recommended. It's unhawthorn, it will be open by now. If you're a friend to D'Soto, you got to support Friday, I I'm in love if you're in Portland. Gold to cotton, the cotton, gold to cotton. So they get called up to ops or I guess O'Brien does and they're like this is a Cisco O'Brien

DAX and Kira just watching as the entire sector fills up with cloak chips and then they start decloaking. And it's Romulans and Cardassians. This is the invasion fleet that an Abruentane is at the helm of. And the station is pretty surprised and freaked out by this. This is kind of a lot of pretty hostile looking dudes to walk into your neighborhood, you know. A couple of things about this scene that stuck out to me. One is that it is incredibly difficult for any scene in Deep Space 9 as a non HD piece

of television to blow me away visually. But when this fleet decloaks around the station, it is beautiful and awesome. And the scale of it is amazing for a show that is not widescreen aspect ratioed. Like, it looks cinematic in a great way. Yeah, the way they put the perspective from below the equator of the station. So the ship's coming in like huge and like looming over it.

Yeah. It's a ton of fun and it's probably as many ships as we see on the screen ever in Trek, you know. Statistically, the battle of the Amari and Nebula that happens later on in this episode is the biggest battle ever depicted in Star Trek up to this point. Wow. no kidding. Ben, the other thing this scene evoked for me was that scene in Jurassic Park.

When Dr. Grant's in the field in the beginning, when he first hits the island, and they see that group of running dinosaurs running around the field. Are those meaty sources? And it looks like they're in danger for a moment, but instead the dinosaurs are just zooming past them. Yeah.

That's the feeling here. Like everyone thinks that this fleet is a threat to deep space nine, but they just zoom past them and go for the wormhole. Were you with me when the coyotes ran down the street? I was with you, that was nuts. Yeah, we were like a block from my house in Los Angeles and two coyotes just ran, like, break next speed down the street

in a way that was like, if they had decided that they wanted to fuck with us, we would have been in big trouble. And it's that feeling of danger that is just like in your presence suddenly and then gone because it's not interested in you. Yeah, so like a pack of coyotes, this fleet of Romulan, Cardassian ships, heads for the whole and they go in. They go right into that hole. On board the lead ship, Ennebron. Ennebron. Ennebron. Ankylisor.

Ennebron Tain is on the lead ship. And he's with Garrick enjoying the orange drink of rehiring an old employee. Yeah, it's a little runny, right? It's got a little bit more texture than I think seems good. It's a little bit of a Julius, it looks like. Yeah, in a gross way. Because Julius is delicious, right? No, I like him.

I don't know if I've ever had a Julius actually. Wow. I haven't spent that much time in malls at him. Do they have an orange Julius at the Americana brand? Probably give you an orange Julius and a glass there. That's how nice it would be. So, Garrick and Tane have a pretty long hang here. One of the things they talk about is Mela, Tane's lady assistant who we met on FaceTime in the last episode, Tane is like, yeah, she probably needs to get killed. Mela may not be around much longer. Because his plan is not to return

to obscurity. He's making a play for returning to his job as the chief spy of Cardassia. He's going to start this war and then install himself in the Cardassian system again. Some is made of this, but I wish more was made of the idea that Tane through his great leadership here is going to be THE MAN henceforth. But I think what undercuts that is that the Romulans don't give him any fucking respect at all. Yeah, we meet Colonel Lovak, who is played by Leland Orser who eagle-eyed viewers might remember from having that knife dick in seven. He's great Romulan. Yeah he is. Who are we going to cast for this Romulan? Let's just spit all some ideas guys. Like no wrong answers. The intern is like, uh, I could call the knife dick guy.

He's actually my roommate. I like him, uh, as a Romulan though, it's a very, he makes a very, a bunch of very like specific decisions about how this character is gonna play. He reminds me of the Romulan from Star Trek 6. Sure. Real big eyes, very squirrely looking. Yeah. A little slight. He's nothing like the Romulan from Star Trek 5.

No, that one's different. It doesn't have the giant hook here. Indeed. Odo has been squirreled away into his quarters, which have been brigified through the use of some force fields. And LowVac has banned Garek from any and all sensitive areas of the ship, kind of insulting if you're a newly hired and promoted Garek. Yeah, but also understandable that people wouldn't want you anywhere near the sensitive stuff. This scene introduces that power dynamic between low-vac and tain, though,

in that it never totally feels like tain has free reign here. Yeah, because you can kind of extrapolate that some of the same rules might apply to tain. Yeah. So tain gives Derek his first job, which is to go betray Odo. It's kind of like the undercover copy and given a rail of coke and saying, you're going to do it, right? You know, and he has to do it to prove that he's not a cop. I thought this was an interesting moment because watching it, I was like, Garek could be

intentionally playing Tain right now. And this is a scene of of pain testing that by saying, like, go betray the guy you showed up with so that I can, I know that I can trust you. It's a test that also involves Garyk having to make the choice between interrogating his friend himself or letting someone else do it. Yeah. And he at least has the good sense to control the situation, to the degree that he can.

And what they want is for him to get Odo to kind of spill his guts about the founders. And I guess the theory is that Odo knows something else that they can use against the founders and their mission is to go blow up the founders planet. Right. This is a death star task force. Yeah, kind of a pregnant moment here.

Let's get it going to do. Hard to tell at this point. What is deep space 9 going to do is maybe a bigger question because you would imagine there is a full-fledged freak out happening because the station is not going to be able to put up much of a fight against a fleet of combined Romulan and Cardassian ships, so they blow in a facetime to one Admiral Tadman. I never hoped for war major. Who appears to be working out

of Chris Brenner's apartment. That Chris Brenner. They get to watch an Abruentane who's recorded like a bit of a hostage video. Like it's basically saying like to the Cardassian Central Command, like a bit of a hostage video. Yeah. It's basically saying like to the Cardassian Central Command, you're now at war whether you like it or not, you better start acting like it.

And I guess Starfleet Intelligence has intercepted this classified transmission. And so in the ward room, we get like the McLaughlin Group. Issue one of the entire senior staff, including Commander Eddington, watching this video and then talking to Admiral Toddman about the implications of it. It's really kind of a doctor-strange love type mission, isn't it? Tane's whole idea is that once he starts war,

everyone will be compelled to continue and attempt to win war. Yeah, the stated goal of this task force is to go commit genocide. And at no point in this conversation is startfully talking about like, even if we don't necessarily like the people that are getting genocide, maybe we should prevent genocide. Maybe it's just that Admiral Tadman knows how difficult it is to prevent genocide. I mean, look at the man, he looks great a bit like me. He's got a sun-drenched office space, much like my house in Malibu, and genocide steps seeming like such a bad thing when you get to a certain age. In my experience, genocide is fairly easy to do.

It's the prevention of genocide. That the Hushnak had a very difficult time with. Just ask the Hushnak if you can find any. I doubt you can. I'm gonna let you in on a secret. I was angry with the Hushnak, but it happened when I stepped my toe really badly. The Hushnak got genocided by accident. That's how easy it is. I filled in all that stuff

about them killing my wife after the fact to make it seem like it was kind of justified from an emotional point of view, but really I could have taken her leave in her. I mean, she was fine. Rishan was in perfect. She would go on and on about how much she wanted a clarifred chairp. The very tub that I stepped my tail on causing the genocide of the Hushna. Why did we bring this cast iron monstrosity from a bag on air a entire house. I may be an all-powerful being, but even a dared can she be comfort of a tepid pool of murky water. Anyway, as I canceled our subscription to HGTV right after that, because just giving us terrible ideas about home decor.

If I wanted to, I could make our home the cover of dwell every single month from here to eternity. What I should have done is eliminated all property brothers everywhere. I mean how many of them are there? I'm all knowing and I don't know. I lose track, they all look the same to me. That's not a racism thing. They're just identical twins Admiral Toddman rocking operations gold is a flag officer have we seen that before I thought that was really cool looking I like the look

Good look and it's and it's the starship look right the the black mantle and the and the yellow shirt you're right about in the yellow shirt. You're right about Toddman slash Starfleet's position that they're going to let this play out, which is a little weird. Not only that, like Toddman's advice is fucking insane at this point. He's like, look, we're going to send you nine starships tomorrow. But in the meantime, we want you to vacuate the station and then just set up the little D outside, ready like gas

or up. And get ready to take on an armada of either a combination strike force of Romulan and Cardassian ships or a wasps nest of ticks like newly angered and out for blood. Yeah, and I mean like it's not even really nine starships, it's eight starships and the Portland. Okay. You know the Portland's gonna show up late.

They're gonna show up late. They're gonna, like, they're gonna have like a hacky sack, you know. There's gonna be some discussion of whether or not the, the MREs, they've been issued for this battle are gluten free. Hey Admiral Toddman, did you know that Deep Space 9 can move? I would suggest moving Deep Space 9 behind Beijor. But the but they but their priorities to protect Beijor. That's like putting the hostage in between you and the bad guy. I know what I'm recommending. She's the hostage. What?

Maybe they just turn on the engines to Deep Space 9 and they just let her go. Just fly off into the wild blue yonder? Yeah, nine starships due tomorrow. Cisco has other plans though. Cisco sees this as a window of opportunity to save Odo. No sooner have they hung up than he is arranging for a rescue mission.

And Eddington is a little bit surprised by this. He's like, I see we let him go. No! But yeah, they fire up the little D and they head into the wormhole. There was very like lurid camera work, the defiant pulling out of space stock and heading to the wormhole,

like they really made that a hero moment for the ship, which we haven't seen since it was introduced to us, I think. I wonder if some of that isn't informed by the need to pace this episode a little differently. I had read that the part one episode was supposed to be the only part of this story. And when they finished writing it, they were so unsatisfied with its ending that they decided to retroactively bolt another episode to it.

And so they actually shot these episodes out of order. They shot improbable cause and then through the looking glass and then die as cast. Wow. Because they came back to the story and decided to give it a more fitting conclusion. And so I'm wondering in the exact opposite of the whole five pounds of Star Trek and a one pound bag, like if they had too much bag here

and they filled it instead with a bunch of sequences like the little D pulling out. It also, I think, is very effective to kind of draw a bright line under this being a special episode. Like this really feels like an inflection point in the series. I really love how they're putting more weight

into exterior shots and ship to ship stuff. Like this is what we've been wanting for three seasons. The defiant is a character in this episode in a way that it has been kind of a utility in previous episodes. If you like the episode, you're going to gloss over the part where Cisco asks for volunteers for this mission, knowing that anyone who volunteers would be risking court martial, my question for you is like, why would anyone do this for Odo who is not Kira, for example? Like, why is there any other staff on the ship?

I mean, Garrick mentioned it earlier, Odo doesn't outwardly care about anyone. And so there's this asymmetry to the relationship here that is very glossed over and yet everyone is in like it is all for one and one for all Well kind of in a way that is not believable to me Maybe if they maintain plausible that Deniability for everybody else on the ship, but the people that were in that room. You know what I really liked been Hmm. It's the return of the captain's thermos. Did you see it? Oh fuck is it in there? Yeah really is I think I think it's gonna be a going concern. Captain needs a soup for the trip. I have a thermos just like that. I wish I was drinking my booze out of it today.

Captain's thermos. Just for those keeping track at home I finished my brandy and I'm now into my second mezcal. Really sounding like you're holding it together. Good job. Oh, thank you. I'd love Cisco for this choice though. He is defying orders to go try to prevent something pretty catastrophic and they head into Yamacquadrant and throw the cloak on

and pursue this evil task force. It's pretty curky, right? I don't think you'd see Picard more than 50% of the time pulling a stunt like this. Yeah, this is a very curky move. That's a great point. Back on the Romulan ship, they're discussing the plan for bombarding the Founders' home world, and it's a pretty scary plan. It's literally just shoot for hours and hours at this planet until it is totally blown away.

They really get geologic with their description of the damage. If they had only seen the Found's home world ahead of time, they would know that they could just lob a giant meteor into the lake, and then it would just empty the lake with that giant splash, right? Right. It would atomize the founders. So the issue of garric interrogating Odo has not been totally settled because Tane recommends that Garek use a new device that the Obsidian Order has cooked up, and he suggests that

he brings that into Odo's quarters and turn it on. I love Lovac in this moment because he's like, I was not informed about this device. It's only a prototype. I think he's going to be underwhelmed when he sees it. It looks like a prototype. I think he's gonna be underwhelmed when he sees it. It looks like Coleman Camp Lantern. Yeah, so there's a little bit of a skirmish about that. Not enough to prevent the interrogation from happening later. Back on the little D, they've got the cloaking device up,

but not for long, because Eddington is framed guiltily as the cloak is cocked up, and it turns out he sabotaged the cloak under Tadman's orders. By sabotaged it. They went on this very long odds mission with a crew that couldn't be trusted implicitly like this. The idea that he was behind this happening is very upsetting. And it's a real magic trick that they figured out a way

to keep adding to an on the bridge for the rest of the episode. I guess it is magical, but I really hated Cisco for this. Like, Cisco suddenly prescribing to a code he hasn't mentioned before about always trusting Starfleet people at their word. I mean, Cisco, you remember Cal Hudson, right? You remember that guy? Real low communicator. You remember that you only stopped trusting him once he took off the uniform? Do you think that was part of the reason that he took it off to begin with? Well, really makes you think. Not a good look for Cisco, I don't think.

I guess not. I mean, he is in an awkward position where Eddington doesn't really report to him. Like Eddington's commanding officer is Toddment. And I guess they are all doing a court-martialable offense at the time. Yeah. Who's the most wrong here? Is Eddington just as court martial able still?

I mean, I would guess not if he's doing things for Tadman at the time. Yeah. But wouldn't he just like sabotage the ability of the ship to leave space dock if that was the case? It's like, it's moral equivalency, isn't it?

Yeah. It just, it feels like he's spoiled from here on out and he's he's been burked You know, right? This is an emotional moment for all of us, okay? Like how can he ever be redeemed? Let's not make snap judgments, please. I don't think you can trust him as a character And I hope we aren't made to at any point. Yeah, but also I would cite Quirk as an example of Yeah, I character that we shouldn't ever trust or like after this and somehow this show just kind of resets him a bunch of times. There's something so much more insidious about a guy doing a thing because he's in a uniform versus Quirk who is just acting in his nature because that's

how he is. Yeah. You know, there's, I guess the difference between the two is I think one is making a choice and one, one isn't. One is just being. Right. One is the scorpion on the frog's back. Yeah.

To be quite honest about it, that is an appere. I'm fucking an appere. Mr. Bucket. I have to refer to Bertrand Wendell state State. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. So we cross-cut back to the Romulan ship and Gerek set up both a bucket and a torture device and a kind of good will hunting spread of things, right? I'm not going to go with a belt, Evan. And this camping lantern has a pretty special power bin.

It's going to lock Odo in his human form. And that's a real problem because, as we know about Odo at this point in time, he needs to turn himself into liquid at a regular interval, otherwise a bad things. Yeah, and he gets pretty rotten when he gets interrogated here. I mean, it's like layers of latex spray painted to look like Odo like dripping off of his

uniform and face and stuff. It is really fucking devastating. There's a visual language here too, Ben, in that like, Garrick is always can'ted downward at Odo. Like, always framed above the centerline while Odo is always looking like the world is tilted against him. Some good compositions here telling a deeper story. Yeah, it's not really clear what information Garrick is after. It's not specific, but you know, he needs to prove to Tane that he is a fully committed member of the Obsidian Order in good standing, and if he can get Odo to divulge some critical secret that will help them eliminate the founders, all the better, but the secret that he gets to with Odo is that Odo really wants to return to his people

and join the great link. Yeah, my people, I don't want to be with them. I think it really messes with your expectations because I was expecting Garrick to... ...in telling Odo, just tell me anything, man. Like, he's all, he's kind of working across purposes here during the interrogation. He's like, you don't have to give me any of the dirtiest dirt, but like, give me something to take to tame. And it doesn't even matter.

And Odo takes it as gospel. Like he actually gives him a deep dark secret. Yeah, but it's also this scene makes it clear that Gertrick actually does want to be in the obsidian order. He's not playing tame. Like he's not doing the rail of coke to prove he's not a cop when he's still actually a cop. He's not playing tame. Like, like, he's not doing the rail of Coke to prove he's not a cop when he's still actually a cop. He's not a cop. He has joined the bad guys. But Garrick does tell Odo, even if it's a lie, just tell me something so I can make it

stop. Right. It muddies his intentions in a really interesting way. Right. He has joined the bad guys, but he also doesn't really wish ill of Odo and when he turns it off He's clearly very upset. Right, right. So the cloaking device on the defiant is busted They've given Chief O'Brien a couple hours to repair it and he's finally done it He even gives like a burnt-out component todington. Souvenir of your handy work. Which I really liked. It's a real fuck you. Yeah.

O'Brien doesn't get a ton to do in this episode with the last one, but what he does get is efficiently played. I totally agree. I mean, the amount of like down for the causeness coming out of that man is really impressive. Ben the aerial bombardment commences on the founders' home world and it is pretty rugged looking. Yeah, it is a lot of torpedoes and phasers hitting the surface. It's kind of what I've always wanted to see in Star Trek.

Like, what would it be like if an entire fleet just shouted a planet? Yeah, it's an itch that Star Wars was very eager to scratch and scratch again. Yeah. And it's interesting to kind of get a point of comparison here. And it's definitely going to take a while, but it does seem like these ships are going to be able to obliterate this planet. But as they're shooting it, they start to get a weird kind of contradiction in their readings because they've scanned the surface and they've found there to be lots of tiny little life forms down there and then they like blow up a large percentage of the surface and they scan again and they're like the same number of tiny little life forms. What? They're stopping in this puddle, but none of the liquids coming out.

And this is the point in the episode where like, it's a real inflection point, energy-wise, because from here, it's fairly breakneck to the end of the episode, because as soon as they realize that they've been conned, like, 150 gem-hidartic show-up. It was a rat fuck at him. Yeah. Yeah, and so thus commences the battle of the omari and nebula,

and the fight does not go well, Penn. This is an admiral Hanson level fuck up here. Yeah, and Tane kind of has Hanson e-vibes the way he runs the show here. He sure does, right? The hubris of Hansen. It is a live and well in a nobrientane. The flagship that Garrick and Odo and Tane and Lovac are on is getting pretty badly shredded. Lovac has to leave the bridge to go work with the fellas

in engineering and Tane takes over at Khan. That's when Garic takes his leave of the bridge to go like break out with Odo. Do you think low-vac radio engineering and the engineer there was you better get down here? And then Lovac reenacts the end of Wrath of Con there, totally off camera. And Leland Orser is so committed to that that he actually brand-owned even

though he wasn't even they weren't even shooting it. Very brave performance been. You know what he gave TV more than TV deserved. He really did. Garek springs Odo from his quarters using a Kirk chop to one of the guards back, which I thought was a fun moment. Like shit is flying apart. Like bangers being dropped at a pretty shocking pace. And how many bangers get dropped? Like how apart does the ship need to be flown to stand at that post and keep guarding that door? That's a great question. Like that guard is really committed to the idea.

You're really is. A Kirk Chap can be fairly convincing. It's your cannon and this guy gets two of them. He gets one to the lower back and one to the head and Garrick is getting ready to break Odo out when Lovac shows up and gives them a computer device that is going to like let them actually escape on the runabout. They're like, what the hell? Why are you helping us? You are one of the founders. Of course. He's been playing all sides. They knew about this from jump.

And this was actually Tane's idea, right? And the founders liked the idea of using like the ultra-vigilant natures of both the Romulans and the Cardassians against them. Like draw them into the Gamma Quadrant, make them think that they have struck some decisive blow and then use it to wipe them out. Take out both the talciar and the obsidian order at the same time.

It's like War Aquito, right? Yeah, pretty fun. And they basically do the math on it in the scene. Like they say like the only two real factors in the alpha quadrant once this is complete will be starfleet and the klingons. So good luck, Assles. What a scandal for Tane right now. He's a real bozo. Like you get a scene after this

where like, Garex got to go rescue Tane from the bridge. But Tane fucking stays true to the mission, true to his nature. You never get that rack into his face when he's like, oh shit, I'm fucked. Hello, what have I done? He doesn't have the bridge over the river.

Why what have I done? He maintains his confidence to the bitter end. Yeah, like a mistake in his world is not the end. It's just new information that can be incorporated in continuing to win. In a real fun way, he kind of doves his cap to the founders like, God damn it, like not a great look for me, but man, well played. I love the camera work in the scene

because they go to crazy wide angle lenses, very close to the actor's faces. And you know, Garic is just like begging Tane to snap out of it and come with him. I can't just leave you here! Garic's gone full pursue in his dialogue here, right? He-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he-he just like puzzling through the math of how he got tricked that he can't be persuaded. And eventually, Odo has to just come like dick. Derek can knock him out and like fireman carry him out of there.

Yeah, I mean Odo could have just absorbed him. We talk about this all the time. Like Odo could become the exoskeleton for someone else. Oh yeah. So Derek and Odo could become the exoskeleton for someone else. Oh yeah. So, Garrick and Odo get to the run about and make for the wormhole and in the process, they are just getting thumped, because it's mentioned once,

and then not really mentioned again, but there are hundreds of ticks out there. I think 150 to the 20 ships that the Kardashians and Romulans brought. I kind of wished that they didn't give a number here because it seems incredibly unlikely that the runabout would make it as far as it did. If I was gonna give a rewrite to this episode,

I thought for sure as the bangers were getting rain down on the runabout, that Oda would hail one of them and go, hey, down here over here. Yeah. I thought for sure that would happen. Because the gem had our shooting at them, not knowing who's aboard.

Right, that was the move, right? It needed to be in there. It's a mistake that it's not. Because the gem had our would never shoot at a ship. If there was any suggestion that there might be a founder. And it was less satisfying the little D ended up saving them instead. There's a founder on the warbird You know and that's getting shredded. Yeah, you can't control your like no matter how good of a space soldier you are

You can't control your shots well enough to guarantee the safety of the founder on that ship. Yeah interesting stuff It's what made it a little less satisfying that it's the little D to save them and it is an Odo using his ability to manipulate to save his own life. Like that would have been fun to do in front of Garrick. That would have been a fun bit of showing him up. But this is when the defiant pops in and saves the day. It saves Garrick and Odo. We cut to the bridge and Cisco is in like full tactical captain mode, like getting them out of this scrape and taking out the ticks that are pursuing them. I thought a very self-consciously TNG choice in this was that he uses the term engage once he's given

his series of orders. So they make it to the wormhole and they make it to the other side to safety. And in the aftermath, Toddman has a FaceTime call with Cisco. We're in Toddman evokes the memory of Wolf 3592 Cisco. Yeah. Ugh, Toddman. Not a good look, man. Like, I was trying to think of an equivalent to this. But like, it's basically like telling a widow of 9-11.

Like, boy, that terrorist attack really made you think a lot about 9-11, like, boy, that terrorist attack really made you think a lot about 9-11, huh? Like, if there's one person not to say that to its Cisco. Right, and a credit to what a good soldier's Cisco is that he just kind of like, let's that drop and move past it. I like how they're curking up Cisco a little bit even with the punishment that was threatened to him. Like, Toddman levels the threat of a punishment that is very Kirk like here. It's either the court martial or the promotion. Right. Kirk's the only guy that that works on. Totally. Yeah, and the button on the episode is a, is a garrick shop. G, Gary is picking up the pieces. Sifting through the ashes.

Like a hurricane has blown through a shop. Just nothing but a pile of pin cushions and forms, like dress forms. Yeah, like one of the most directory moments in Star Trek history, I think, is picking up the rag off the floor and wiping the mirror clean and in the revealed mirror under the suit is is Odo standing in the exploded

entryway to the store. Garek wipes the mirror and then sees Odo as a different mirror behind him. We're changing back into Odo. Just fucking with you, man. How many different dress forms do you think Garek has in his shop, like to account for all the alien body types? Oh, wow.

And every one of them. Like so many, right? Or is there just like a really advanced dress form in the field? Because my former roommate was in the costuming union in New York, and she's, you know, worked on a ton of television shows and she has a dress form that's like adjustable so you can make like the bust and waste and...

There's a bellows that you operate to inflate it. There's literally like like gears inside of it and dials on the outside of it that you turn to make to change the shape of the dress form. So maybe Garrick has like a really high level, spacey version of that that can be used for like up to three dozen species or something like that. I would like to see this. That'd be cool. In the scene, Odo thanks Garrick for leaving his That'd be cool. In the scene, Odo thanks Garrick for leaving his uncomfortable confession out of the report of what happened.

And they sort of bond over the discussion of whether or not to reopen the tailor shop. Uh, did you like the episode, Adam? Yeah, I really did. I thought it was nice to have an episode where the stakes were this high. It was exhilarating to see Tane eat shit as hard as he did. Yeah. Wow. Talk about your all-time backfires. That was fun. It is a great character that they have done so much to make seem like a supervillain. Yeah. That when he falls this low, the impact is very high, you know. If low back must survive, then I would assume that the ship that they're on would survive.

And I would also assume that Tane survives this incident. I wonder what happens to him. And if they bring him back, well, low back beamed off. So that ship is a target. The second he's gone. I mean, I wonder if he is a valuable asset to take if you're the gemheader or if you just take him out. Interesting. Yeah, I really like the episode. I mean, for the same reasons that I liked

and probably will cause, like, Garyc centric, giant, war, playset, the switcheroo of thinking that you've accomplished your mission and then utterly not, like that moment where they're bombarding the planet and then the truth don's on them that they haven't is really great. And the founders do this all the time. You don't just lose against the founders,

you lose embarrassingly. Yeah, it's always like, you think you've, Victor, is at hand, and in fact, you've lost way worse than you ever calculated was possible. I really like that about them. What about you, Ben? I think the episode two,

I was surprised and fascinated to hear that this was kind of a two-parter that happened retroactively. I can't quite imagine how it came together so well given that fact because I feel like the writing is really good. There's a lot of fun plants that were set up in the last episode that were paid off in this episode and interesting and surprising ways. I think the characters are all good and interesting and well-motivated. I thought it was fascinating to see and Garrick do things that seemed irredeemable, and then for various reasons need to be redeemed. Like, there were expediencies at play that excused things that seemed inexcusable. And that's such a complicated idea. Like, I don't want to trust you, but I have to trust you now

because there's nobody else. And bringing both of those characters back from that brink is interesting. And like Eddington is such a surprise. He wasn't even in the last episode. And it's such a surprise to think like, oh man, like he's still on the show. He's still a going concern, you know. We haven't seen him in 10 episodes, I feel like.

You really don't get a character with divided allegiances very long in Star Trek and that he keeps returning or will eventually return is such a unique aspect to him. Because usually on Star Trek, a person with divided interests is either killed or moved somewhere where they disappeared. They can't hurt anyone. They just disappeared. Like they're 10-1 toast. Like, they 10-1 toast seemed like that, and then they were just lost interest with him.

One thing that never borrows me, Ben, is the reading of a priority one message or two. You wanna see what we got? I would love to. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on this Need a supplement on top of the supplement

supplement supplement Yes extra The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship Then our first priority one message is from Andy It is for Jeremy and the message goes like this Remember 1994 The seventh grade Halloween costume contest?

I, in my Starfleet uniform, you, giving me the name Star Trek Girl. That would stick for the rest of my public school career. Guess what? I saw your photo on Facebook with P-Stu and your poster signed by the TNG cast. Hahahaha! Hook! You! Whoa! I can't wait to introduce you to the pod in this secret future P1. Damn! Andy is Star Trek girl.

This made me think of a story that I haven't told on the pod before I don't think, and if I have, if you tell me I have, I'll edit it out. But, uh, one of my earliest recalled Halloween costumes was that of a command-read Star Trek the Next Generation uniform with the four pips. Yeah. My mom made it for me. I wore it to a costume party. And, uh, I kept my jacket on. Ben, I kept it on.

So you were just in black pants in a jacket? I couldn't deal with the shame. It was like, it was middle school, like young middle schools. It was like seventh grade the most awkward time in any person's life. And it's like my mom worked very hard to make me that costume. And I was too ashamed of the social situation to share that with people I thought might be my friends. Wow. So I kept my jacket on and it's something that I've always regretted. It makes me feel sad even thinking about it.

Oh man. But Andy took off her jacket. Andy wore it with pride. Andy was her true self in public and that's hard to be. It's hard to be and there are consequences to it, but eventually you get to get your come-up ins by introducing secret future P1s to the people that made that a complicated time.

Yeah, and I guess this is my come-up-ins, this fucking show. I really did take off my jacket for the last two years, didn't I? Your jacket is all the way off, dude. I took off my jacket and for some reason my whole ass was underneath it. That's not how bodies work. Adam, we have a second priority one message here. It's from Lori, aka lore, pronounced lore. Kama, pant suit, Lori.

And of this four, Gary, aka, Gare, pronounced Gare. aka, daytime, Gary, dare, aka, daytime, gary, aka, gary of the day. I love all the parentheticals. We need all this help. Yeah, famously, the fields that you have to fill in when you do a jumbo tron at maximumfund.org slash jumbo tron. Now include the the request names only please when when they ask like who this is for and who this is from because of the greatest generation and how much like erroneous and extraneous information people are adding to those. This is just making it more specific which lore and which gear we're talking about. The message goes like this. Entrano for the con show. I thought why not get a P1 message out to my bud. I went to rub salt in that wound of yours because I'm all alone because you ditched for

your sister's wedding parenthetically whatever. Really, I'm not irked. I will just take a pick with Ben and Adam without you. Joking aside, I miss working with you, fella, and I hope we have many a drunk Shimoda Knights together. Aww. Well, that's a nice thought. That is a nice thought.

Man, this, we are now working through P1s that were sent before our Toronto show. 2018. The day of this one is post-Marked October 3rd. So thanks for your patience if you've been, if you get a P1 on the hopper. Yeah, and congrats to your sister for her wedding gear. And it sounds like you got a real cool pal in lore. Yeah. Go do a drunk Shimoda night.

Pour one out for your friends, Ben and Adam, who wish they could be there, but can't. I'm glad we read that P1 on a Corks bar episode, Ben. I'm so slurry. I can't believe I got through it. But if you would like me to slur my way through a P1, you can try your luck by going to MaximumFun.org slash JemboTron.

It's $100 bucks for a personal message and $200 for a commercial message. And we use that money to keep the lights on around this a here podcast. Hey Adam! What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? A red-o-mo? Drunk Shimoda!

Yeah, it was hard for me to choose anyone else but Eddington for actually doing a Shimoda to the little D. Isolinear chips were not involved in the sabotage of the cloaking device, but I mean what he did was he Shimoda the cloaking device. Yeah, he he did was he shimmed at the cloaking device. Let's be honest. Yeah, he kind of did. And so for that reason, I'm giving a very literal shimada to Eddington. What about you? When Garek turns on the torture device, he does it entirely using his

middle fingers. Like he goes double middles and starts punching buttons. And it's like, it's clear that like there's like, there's a couple of Romulan guards in the room, but it's also Odo. And it's clear that he's just birding everyone up. This is something that I didn't notice until you brought it up. And this is, it's incredible how I missed it,

how I missed this the first time. It's fucking amazing, right? Like, it's blatant. It's so, it's intentionally doing double middles on everyone Yeah, and it is hilarious like it's such a great Andrew Robinson choice. I fucking love it Ollie does is make great choices The show isn't such good hands with him really is fucking brilliant That's one as a director like if you're

If you're sharp enough to notice it and you really want to see it through, you're like, cut moving on. Yeah, you leave it behind as fast as possible. Yeah, like we're printing that one. And like we, we, uh, we just had the Robocop episode of friendly fire. Yeah, come out and you told a story on that about how Paul Verhoeven left the scene where they shoot Murphy to death as the last thing that they shot because they were going so over budget that he knew he would have to go back to the studio for more money to do that scene the right way. And that's why that scene is like such a perfect scene. Yeah. Yeah, he such a perfect scene. Yeah. Yeah, he took a scene hostage.

You can kind of do the same thing where you, if you get that take, the double middles take and just leave it in. You know that Paramount is not excited about the fact that they're putting an actor on primetime television doing middle fingers all over the screen. That's something that normal TV shows have to tile out. Yeah. And it's just subtle enough that it passes muster, and he gets to do it, but it's perfect.

Gotta get that, get that gold press, I got that, that gold press, I got that, gold press, I got that, am I right? Oh, yeah, am I right? Oh, oh, oh. Oh. A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss.

Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post-show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment. Hey, let's make a pretty great name for a tour. Let's do it. The Share Your Embarrassment Tour is coming in August 2023. We've got a bunch of dates in a lot of great places.

Go to greatestgentour.com to get more info. That's greatestgentour.com for dates and ticketing information for the Share Your Embarrassment Tour. I'm Jordan Morris. And I'm Jesse Thorne. On Jordan Jesse Go, we make pure, delightful nonsense. We were open awesome guests and bring them down to our level. We get stupid with Judy Greer. My friend Molly and I call it having the spaceweards.

Pat Noswald. Could I get a Balrog burger and some air-gorn fries? Thank you. And Kumail Nanjiani. I've come back with cat toothbrushes, which is impossible to use. Come get stupider with us at MaximumFun.org. Look, your podcast apps already open, just pull it out.

Give Jordan Jesse Goat try. Being smart is hard. Be dumb instead. Whoa, raps, hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in line. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line and boy. What do I? These giraffes do not smell good.

No, they do not, and they have such short neck. But I'm hearing we need to get on this. I've got to get on the art. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters.

We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal. We're not in the world. We're not in the world. We're not in the humans. We're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end,

so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two. What do you think? Ono Ross and Carrie, available on MaximumFun.org. No, tell me review it. But the next episode is season 3 episode 22, Explorers. Cisco builds a new version of an ancient, majoring space vessel in an effort to prove the truth behind an 800 year old legend. This is the sounds like one of those episodes where a character has a hobby and the stakes

are pretty low. I'm down for a low stakes app, Adam. Yeah, you mean both. What do you say I roll a die and see if we're going to watch this episode in a particular way? I would be delighted for you to do this. You're required to learn as you play, roll. We're currently on square 54.

54, of course, is a quark's bar episode. Two squares ahead is a looking at each other during, after which there's miles and miles of open road. Yeah. So the only thing we need to worry about is that looking at each other during that most expensive of squares on the board. Alright, let's roll. Whoa, and I've rolled a six. Chula! Did I win?

All of it. It has taken us all the way to square 60, and we are just two squares away from a wormhole that would knock us down 40 squares down to a corks bar if we were to hit it on a two next time but for now it is a basic episode of Greatest Gen. Wow. One that you could upon starting tell me as a quark's bar episode for me but I would recommend I don't want to tell you how to use that that coupon but I think it would be most fun if you just

gave it to me in episode race. That's that's kind of how I imagined I would use it. I'm not that evil. I'll try and reconoiter a little bit and make sure that I'm not ruining your life. Yeah, that would be helpful. But I'm not above ruining your life. It's a great position to be in, Ben.

Yeah. Well, I am looking forward to a regular episode. I got pretty ripper-er-and-drunk on this one. Good effort. I could hardly tell. You know what I want to do with my kind of amorous drunkenness right now, Adam? Oh, no. Is thank a bunch of people.

Oh, yeah. People that I really love. Love love upon them. People like the Friends of Disodo who go to maximumfund.org slash donate and contribute on a monthly basis to support the production of this program. As little as $5 a month makes a huge difference. Yeah. How we're able to do this.

Truly. And I really love doing a show that is listener supported because we have turned down lots of advertisers in our history because we didn't feel comfortable advertising their thing. And that's because we know that we're not going to break the bank if we turn down money from people that we don't want to be in business with. We want to be in business with our listeners. And so if you like that arrangement, please support the greatest generation by going to Maximumfund.org slash Doni. We've got some great viewers who support us in some pretty unique ways. We've got dark materials,

original theme music, as edited by Adam Ragusia, who's been a long time friend of the show. He edited that music into the music we use for the Deep Space 9 version of the show. But he also works with us at our live shows and our special donor only episodes that we have for those who contribute at MaximumFund.org slash donate. Get some swag, go to the maxfundstore. It's maxfundstore.com, t-shirts, hooded sweatshirts, posters, all kinds of great stuff on there that you can get to support the greatest generation. My wife was actually upset with me that I didn't get her the hoodie, the hoodie. What? And I was like like you hate this show

You hate that I do it. Yeah, what kind of messes just that send? Maybe she secretly doesn't hate it. I don't know it was confusing Anyway, we get the hoodie there too check that out get the hoodie We've seen that show up in a couple of live show lines. Looks very saft and comfortable. It's a nice hoodie. It's a high quality piece of a peril. Been the only reason to be on Twitter anymore. It's Bill Tilly's Trading Cards.

You can find those at At Bill Tilly 1973. He makes great and funny trading cards based on every show that we produce. Oh, other guy is JJ Lendle, who makes great, like, movie poster style posters of each episode of DS9 every single week. I would say that those are the two accounts that you should follow on Twitter. If you want to follow one more, you should follow At Cut for Time. You definitely shouldn't follow at Benjamin R because I

mostly just like retweet the ACLU because I'm so angry about politics all the time. Super fun feed over there at Benjamin HR. But Adam is actually keeping it fun and funny. And you should follow him. You should also head over to maxwhenfund.org and check out all the other shows on the network. There's so many great shows. We just did a donor bonus episode with our friends at the Flapp House, which is, boy, that is one of my favorite podcasts. It comes out every two weeks.

They just review a bad movie. And... Those guys are the kind of smart, fast, funny that I aspire to be. Yeah. I wish we were as good as them. Yeah. That shows great. There's so many other great shows on the network.

I really encourage you to sample all of them. Oh, Ben, I think that's it. I think we've done what we came here to do, right? With that, we'll be back to you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9. That is mostly just interested in working on their hobbies. Hmm, cool. Make it sound, make it sound. Make it sound, make it sound.

Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture, Art and Stone Listener Supported How many in culture? Art at dawn? Listen or support?