The Greatest Generation - Bajoran Ragnarok (DS9 S6E21)

Episode Date: July 6, 2020

When Captain Sisko steals an ancient stone tablet from Bajor, it becomes a problem both diplomatically and conversationally. But when he decides the relic belongs smashed on the ground and not in a museum, its destruction triggers an ancient conflict that threatens Major Kira, Jake, and the station itself. What does the Betazoid military wear to battle? Why are people buying one-armed busts? How old is too old for a trundle bed? It’s the episode that serves up the jokes hot and ready!

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I'm Ben Harrison. Just bringing you the embarrassment? I'm ready. You know, the thing about our podcast, Ben, is that when a customer is ready to have it, they don't have to wait for it to be cooked. It's hot and ready for them. Yeah, ideally. We are the little Caesars of Star Trek podcasts. True.

We just got to look at behind me. Where's my camera? Oh, yeah. Just look at all these podcasts behind me. You can have any one of these. Yeah. You can even have the greatest discovery, which is another Star Trek podcast that we make. The embarrassment is distributed like so many pizza toppings.

Unevenly, I should say. One of the ways that we're kept in check is by being reviewed. We appreciate the thousands of reviews that the show has earned three years ago. Specifically, three thousands. Three thousand reviews. And that's, I mean, that's worth some kind of celebration, right? Sure it is. We've sort of warped the review system for a purpose though. And that purpose lately has been to try to do a semi-regular Q&A session on our Marin Open. I think we're going to try to do that again today. We are. And first of all, thanks to everyone who has left the five star review you totally rule and in your face to everyone that's left a one-star review you totally

Droll I mean these people made us the number one star Trek pizza podcast in the world For that we are grateful You want me to pick some questions out of the hat and throw a match you Adam? Oh, yeah, yeah, that sounds great. Like a pie to the face hit me with a cue for my A. What do you think? I hate this. I love it.

It is revolting. More? Please. Why don't you lay one on me? My body is ready. All right, this first question says, what are y'all's favorite Starfleet uniforms? Any era, any show? I mean it's hard to beat Action Jacket era Captain

Picard Starfleet uniform. I think it's great. Yeah. vest maybe a second it's crazy that one character has gotten so many great Starfleet uniforms to wear. He got many, many variations. I liked a lot of the different era uniforms they put them in for Star Trek, Cole, and Picard also. I also really have a soft spot for the TOS, like, Con and higher movie uniforms. I really like those. I think that maybe my biggest problem with those is that,

like, I kind of feel this with, like, most military uniforms, which is that I can't, like, add a glance, decode what somebody's rank is in the same, like, I think that the simplicity of detecting someone's rank in anything from TNG through,ager is something I really appreciate, but from a look standpoint, having that flap open with some blood on it. Bloody flap. On the wrap of Kanye uniform. That's a hot look. I love a bloody flap.

It's something that you just never... You know what, there wasn't a lot of blood in next gen era TV or movies, right? And when you did get it, what did it look like? It was Tashi Yars weird splatch blood under face. That didn't look like blood. It's some green, Romulan blood from time to time, or it's just some like dried on blood. It seems like space would be a dangerously bloody place. Yeah. I'm with you. I mean, if we're gonna go TOS, that era is my favorite. It's the next that do it for me. The sky high vampire neck on the on the jacket of Wrath of Khan. Yeah. Oh, man. That's an action jacket.

You know, that like I would say that the TNG movie uniforms that they are now wearing on Deep Space 9 in this era of the show may be my all-time fave because I think they kind of combine some of the stuff that I love about that TOS uniform and the stuff that I like about the TNG uniform. They have a good drape, don't they? Part of what makes early season TNG

a little bit hard on the eyes is that like adults don't tend to wear leotards. Outside of a very specific context. And everyone on that show is wearing a leotard on TV. Yeah. And as soon as the garments get thicker and they get darker, yeah.

I think it's better for an adult body wearing something like that. Yeah, it's a more tailored look. They don't always look like they're about to break out in jazz or size. Right, or like go off the top rope. That's someone. All right, here's another one.

Hypothetically, what would be our plot for the ideal Deep Space Nine episode that we never got or haven't gotten yet? You know where we are in DS9, and I think everyone who's listening to this episode knows where we are, they also know I haven't seen any episode pass this one. Yeah.

Ben, my pitch for the ultimate episode of Devespace 9 goes like this. Okay. Major Kira dumps Odo. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Fire dancers there. Everyone's psyched. Oh yeah. It's great. The Rutledge comes back. The Rutledge is the party ship, right? Yeah. If you're not gonna get the hood, get the Rutledge.

Or no, the Rutledge was, was it Brian? Oh yeah. Oh no. What was the party ship? You don't wanna confuse those ships. It wasn't the Cairo, was it? I feel like it begins with an S, the... Saratoga. Saratoga, there you go.

Yeah, you bring the Saratoga back, you docker up right under the ring, you maybe throw away the key once you dock the Saratoga. Hepatief Space Nine. Oh, man. And it's Fire Dance and For a Week. Fun. That's mine, what's yours? Boy, I think, um, how about one where Quark is finally indicted and prosecuted to the

full extent of the law? Yeah, we get a hard legal drama at the soar with Quark as the defender. And he's not on the show after. Yeah, pretty high stakes up. Yeah. All right, here's another one. This one's kind of for me, I think, is Harry Bosch canonical trek?

And then the text of the, that's the title of the review and the text is Fight Me. Hm. Ha, ha, ha. Um, I think about this a lot washing Bosch because I don't I don't know if I haven't actually looked into this, but I suspect that either there is some part of the production team or at the very least the casting team on Bosch that may also work within the Star Trek Industrial Complex because there are a lot of Star Trek that guys and that girls showing up on Bosch.

I've only watched like a couple of seasons of the show, but Jerry Ryan is on it, the lady that played Raffi in Star Trek Picard. There's a lady from Star Trek Enterprise that has some stuff in Bosch. Very few people would recognize her from that though, huh? It might be the only person that's watched both Star Trek Enterprise and Bosch. The great thing about being on Star Trek Enterprise is that you'll never be typecast. I know a lot of people love that show. I think those people also people love that show. Yeah.

I think those people also know I'm right. I think that there's some really good and redeeming stuff about Star Trek, Colin and her prize atom. I'm not ashamed to say it. Backula wasn't punished for that show. No. He continues to act.

He does. Despite that being maybe Backacula's worst role that I've ever seen him in. I think that Bacula is kind of the weak link on that show. Wow. I mean, I guess we'll never know. Ha ha ha. I tease our many Star Trek Enterprise fans.

You know we're doing that show eventually. We only roast the ones we love. Here's another question, Adam. Five stars and a question. Great show everyone should listen from TGD based on the Tilly food fight and the fortune-cooking cookie phasering. What this five star rating presupposes is, maybe there are low-level phasers that clean the mess hall. If there are DS9 or TNG shorts, what stories would you like to see? So this is a question about, I guess,

the short-trecks series that they're putting out on CBSL access. Like, what would a plot in a more DS9 TNG-type era be that we would like. This is a question that really excites me because it makes real the passability of such a thing. Like, I think it's all on the table, right? I think it's been stated fairly clearly

that the short-treks concept is not just isolated on any one show. This is a canonical story that one is able to tell on this format. So it makes me think that it could be realistic to expect era spanning short trex from even the DS9 and the TNG era. Why wouldn't we get those? Right. How about this, Adam?

Kern, on Kronos, living his falsified identity, starts to put pieces together and realize that he was someone else before. What about that episode? Why wouldn't that happen? Tony Todd's still around, isn't he? Tony Todd loves playing old. He is in fact old right now. Yeah, yeah, that'd be amazing.

Throat Todd a short track. Fight me. Short Todd. Is the episode I'd be looking forward to. Yeah. Yeah, why not? Bring back Captain Riker for a cooking show. Not a chance. Right. Like, they did that really fun thing in the trouble with Edward episode. Like, how good they can play with genre. Right. Like, they could do the Captain Riker cooking show. No way. Maybe he teaches you how to make a real pizza. At this time, That would be red.

Who wouldn't watch that? I would watch the hell out of that. I would too. And it plays on the Federation News Channel. We get commercials in it. I'd love that. That would be great. A couple of reviews with no questions.

One that I really like says, best track podcast I've ever listened to. Sorry, greatest discovery. Y'all tried. Well, the people behind greatest discovery are gonna be, that's gonna come as a great blow to them. Deeply hurtful. One last question before we get to the episode though Adam.

All right. This is a question I've, I feel like we've gotten a lot over the years. Who would get the drunk Shimoda for, for encounter at far point? Well, that was a long time ago. Ha, ha, ha, ha, man. Yeah, I, I, I don't think I've rewatched that episode since we reviewed it for the greatest generation.

So it's kind of tough to, tough to throw myself back there. Maybe I'll give it to the aliens that they tried to build the star base out of for being so horny. Because like the first thing they do is have alien six when they like come out of the ground and fly off into space. They put there nasty little tentacles together. You get the pink in the blue. That's how you know. Yeah, you can tell one's a boy and one's a girl. That type of alien practices very strict gender norms. Yeah, that was an alien gender reveal party when they popped up out of the ground.

I mean, that's a cue episode, so it's hard not to say that it's cue. He's clearly having the most fun at At our crew's expense, right? Yeah, that's true So that might be a cop-out answer, but from what I remember That is not an episode I go back and rewatch. I wonder if you're rewatching the show and picking your favorites No one ever goes back to that first episode, do they? Nobody's like encountering Firepoint, a classic.

They really had the show figured out at that point. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha going to start a Star Trek podcast and in watching it realize it has to be a comedy Star Trek podcast. It may be if you're watching an encounter at a far point that the episode is just a warning to other episodes. Oh boy, well, Adam, this is fun. Do you want to get into the DS9 episode we came to talk about today? Oh, look at the time. We better, we better get on into it, Ben. It's Deep Space 9, Season 6.

Episode 21, The Reckoning. Two. Oh, do you realize how much animal this is? Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Feels like this kind of episode been, it's a schizum's type episode where people will be talking about and are then subject to the reckoning. What mean the reckoning people will ask? Yeah, I'm just glad that they resisted the temptation to spell it. W-R-E-C-K-O-N-I-H-G. Yeah, so am I.

It seems like that may have been up on the cork board when they were in the reg. Right. It's important we get all this war stuff out of the way early. Like give us the McLaughlin group. Is your want? Stay to the war update first so we can be done with it and never think of it again. This is that scene. Yeah.

Remind us of the context that this is taking place in, but don't bog us down with it all through the episode. And it's actually some interesting context because we know that beta-z fell to the dominion recently. And now they're talking about the idea that beta-z is a supply line point in the dominion effort to expand their influence in the alpha quadrant. We know that for important beta-zoid rituals, the tradition is to do them nude. Right. Now what my theory presupposes is that

betasets also fight nude. Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, I think that probably they're just looking for every excuse they can find to eat come leaves and get naked, you know. I think it's a very libertine people. The nude fighters of beta-z are very formidable because you can't, you just can't hold onto them. They're always wriggling out of your hands.

Yeah, they, uh, they grease themselves up with, uh, with K.Y. jelly. Very sexual brand-of-fighting, I think. Well, let's just hope they can get the job done. Yeah. I mean, we never get like actual maps of this, but I think it's interesting to think of the way these planets are arrayed and how how supply lines might exist in a space context. It seems like space is so big that, you know, it's not the same as what it would be on the

ground where a supply line means a railroad or not a mountain that is impassable. You really get a sense for the defensive priorities of a star fleet. When you hear that the gemheadar have a supply line near Bet-z that puts Vulcan at risk. These are like foundational worlds. And then we're celebrating the victory that the Romulans had over the vape lords of the Benzite system. Boy, good thing Benzite is safe. Do you think that now that the Romulans control Benzar, they're going to chill out a lot?

Oh, absolutely. We're going to meet some extremely laid back Romulans in season 7. Yeah, I was the provisional governor of Benzar for a little while. Anyways, it's kind of changed my perspective on a lot of things. You know, last year, the Romulans didn't really have a smell, but now they smell like cotton candy for some reason. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha mentioned from Odo, we better hope that the Romulans ease up their iron grip on Benzar when this is all over because it's pretty unusual for them to conquer territory and then seed it later. It's not really their way.

Well, you ever in a playground fight where the two fighters had braces and they both agreed, like, no hits to the face. We can't do, we can't fuck up these braces. Do you think a Benzar and a Gemadar are like, all right, I will not grab your vape if you do not grab my straw. Well, I think anybody that's seen my mouth knows that I never had braces, but I'm also thinking that the surface of Benzar,

probably nobody has a vape because it's an entirely hot boxed planet, you know? Yeah, yeah. Right? Like they take the vape with them when they're outside of their atmosphere, but those guys have it going 24-7, 365 on Benz. You just saved us so many emails by coming in there with that fact. That's a real fact. That's why the Benzites take their rate pens with them. They don't need them on Benzar. Yeah, you think that they like a height of a like a inside of a hard drive chassis

when they're going through TSA to get into the federation? I do, I really do. They get some complicated works. After the meeting, Curinoto are left behind and they're sort of a canoodling scene. I, I blacked out during this scene. I, I came to about 20 minutes from the end of the episode. So you're going to have to carry us from here.

Okay. Yeah. This is a, came to about 20 minutes from the end of the episode. So you're gonna have to carry us from here. Okay, yeah, this is just, you know, talking about what a bummer Odo is in meetings and he says that that's mostly covered that he has to provide for himself so people won't realize how head over heels and love he is with his new GF Major Kira. If they only saw under the Conference Room table.

Pfft. They'd see what a giant charger I've got under there. Pfft. It's ribbed for her pleasure, but like, honestly, you can specify exactly what you want. If anyone like drops a pen and goes underneath the table, I'll like shrink it back up. I won't be rocking a giant dick under there. It's just for me. It's my little secret. It's fucking delightful. Look like the joke.

The joke that that is about me is that I don't like seeing Kira with anyone else, but the seriousness behind that that I want to ask you about is that I feel like this show did better about gross cute with Dax and Worf than they currently seem to be doing with Kira and Odo Why do you think that might be? I mean it is weird to see Kira call somebody schmupi, but I also think that this is the classic Sam and Diane problem where it kind of

ruins the tension in scenes when you cut it out entirely. And I think that also maybe partly owes to how they went about cutting that tension. You want to live in a world where Dawson is chasing Joey for the entire series. But here's Dawson. I want to live in a world where Dawson takes no for an answer. Right. Yeah. But now, Odo's finally caught the car.

Yeah, he doesn't know what to do with it. Now, we cut to some Star Trek caves where Captain Cisco and for some reason Jake. Why he's there? The reasons are new because for some reason, Jake's Cisco. It's me, Jake. I have headed to check out an archeological dig

that I'm curious there with them as well. This is a important ancient, the Joran artifact that has been discovered under some temple somewhere. And a lot of questions have been asked about like, why are you leaving the station during wartime to go on a spolunking addition captain? It's a very minimal satisfaction.

And Jake is here to kind of pick up the torch of why the fuck are we here? It's a long way to come to see some old ruins. He's kind of an emissary hater, right? Like he doesn't like the emissary stuff. Hey, try to look like you're enjoying yourself. Your father needs this. I like the background they give to,

for some reason, Jake later about why he might feel this way, about a mission like this. But for now, he just seems like a petulant, bored kid being taken on an errand to the carpet store, you know? Yeah. Do you think that they were going for a jaded journalist and it just kind of didn't fit the way it was written. They give him one line of dialogue, connecting it to journalism, but it's just not even necessary. I just think he's too young and too new to his journalism storyline to first of

buy that he's already like super over it. Right. And seeing everything the way a journalist character can sometimes be written. Bejures, oldest living archaeologist is the guy showing them around the Star Trek caves. And he gestures to some of these inscriptions and he's like, some of these inscriptions are as old as I am. It's been a great deal of work, but we do it, clavly, excavating the Holy City as a privilege.

And then he comes around a corner and he's like, some of them, you're not gonna believe this, are even older. And he takes them to sort of like the end exhibit of this thing. It's this rounded off sort of a stone tablet. I don't know why I am instinctually wanting to avoid the references that are so obvious here,

but there is a very clear Moses story and breaking of the tablet situation here, but yeah, it is very clearly a stone tablet, and it's got a bunch of writing on it. You mean breaking of the tablet as in the Commandments 11 through 15, that get broken in the history of the world. Oh. I like that the tablet has the Eiffel Tower drawn on it. That's fun. Cisco makes a crucial mistake

in any archeological expedition or museum context. You can't touch the display. And as soon as he does, he is punished for it. He's immediately swarmed by the prophets, who threaten the reckoning. They say that the circle is complete. They say that the reckoning will begin and it is all Cisco's fault.

Cisco keeps asking what the reckoning is and no one will tell him. No, that's the prophet's way. They never get to the point. Now the point is, if it's Cisco for the jerk cable, and then they save it by this way. Yeah, it's a good stunt. I like the cut-to special effects stunt in the same shot. It goes by so fast you can't even really see what happens. I feel like when you have a profit experience, the profits are typically represented by people like all the people you know, and in this

profit experience it's they're represented by the people in the cave. So the super old monk archaeologist is among them. Even the stone tablet as like Googley eyes in a big mouth. Even the stone tablet has like, googly eyes and a big mouth. Hi, this is Go. I'm here too. Would you like to see how a lawa's made? Follow me, it'll be fun. Yeah, this looks bad.

Like when you're jerk-cabled into a bunch of rocks, those rocks are not forgiving. It is unclear whether or not the profits will be forgiving as we go into theme song. Mmm. Go to Kotlka, go to Kotlka. So, if Cisco were admitted to a hospital on Beyshore, would his hospital bracelet have Cisco come at the... ...as his name on file? Would his hospital bracelet have a Cisco comma there?

Has his name on file? They would have like his blood type and the fact that he's the MS series So this may not be that he's passed out, but rather that he's having a vision Right very complicated goings on at a Bajorin hospital where the Cisco is involved This is a setup that is kind of familiar on Deep Space 9, which is there's an artifact and it needs to be decoded. This episode goes in a pretty different direction from previous episodes of the kind. But that one way that's true is that he brings the actual artifact back up to the station. He does not take a scan of it and recreated it in the hollow suite.

He's up in the lab with DAX, and she's doing bits on artifacts, and it's the real artifact. She's doing bits on the real thing. It's gonna be incredibly hurtful for the artifact at this point. Yeah. Hey, what are you making fun of me for? I'm just here to teach you about Bejouren religion. I'm stuck in that, my Aussie King, for 30,000 years, and now this

one gives! All right, very slowly but surely the artifact is transforming into a Southern lawyer. One thing occurs here and it happens in just a flash band, but it's kind of become a harbinger of doom on this show. One thing that needs no translation is the number of story and written by credits for this episode. We get a fairly full screen of them here

from the setup for the app. And I think you know what's to come thereafter in my opinion. I think there's two credits for story by and two credits for written by. And they're all different. Yeah, an episode that needed a lot of hammering to get put into shape.

Right. This begins a series of scenes where not a lot happens. There's some scanning of the stone taking place. There's some talking about the scanning of the stone. There's talking about why the stone is even there. Why are you pointing that track harder at me? Hey, you're not gonna stick that thing back there, are you? Oh no!

Hey, warm that thing up first. Now you wanna stick it under my tongue? No can do, buddy. After his moment in the artifact scanning room, Cisco takes a walk in the promenade and tries to just drop in on a pejorant shirt service. Yeah, thinking about filling up the tablet shaped hole in his heart. And he is interrupted by another religious figure, worth radios to him that Kai Wynn is headed to the station and he face palms into the scene where he greets her. Right in front of a a Bajoran religious character too, like I don't

know if this guy's a Vedic or what, but if you were standing in front of a Catholic priest and somebody was like, hey, you're about to meet the Pope and you did that. What is the priest going to think? I mean, you could really make an interesting merch item here by sawing off one of Cisco's arms, putting the other one, the other hand to his face, and then selling. That is an oddly crippled bust that you can buy on the Star Trek site now. I don't understand the Picard Face Palm merch item, Ben. I don't either, but our friend Manusadia has one. Why doesn't that bust have two arms?

I don't know. I mean, I guess busts often don't, but the fact that that one doesn't is creepy as hell. It's super creepy. Bend this episode gets a lot better in my mind when I think of Kai Wynn as the Belluck of the app and Cisco as the Indy. But the episode never, never makes that kind of case. She actually has like, unlike Belluck, a pretty legit grievance, which is like, hey, how you came down to our planet and took a priceless, ancient relic of our religion

and didn't ask anyone if that was okay. What the fuck? There are a lot of reasons to dislike Ki-Win, but one of them is not that she sides with said the thing that we're all thinking. Last time we found a relic like this, you scanned it and everyone was super cool with that. Why didn't you do that this time? You've angered the profits by taking a tablet from Bayshore. Because there's a conversation to be had there, right?

Like, oh well, when I touched this, it knocked me across the room after giving me a vision. So maybe it's like an orb. I think you're spot on with that observation, but it's because there are a handful of examples that qualify as why didn't you do this last time and to identify one of them on the top, I think Cripples the rest of the episode. It's a house of cards on a wobbly card table. My Admiral Beltbuckle has also been consulted and agrees with Wynn. So they've got to get the relic back to the Bajurans pretty quickly. Admiral Beltbuckle admonishes Cisco. He's like,

now I'm really disapproved of your activity here. I hope you aren't expecting me to keep an eye on you at any point the rest of the episode. As you make very important decisions. And then he's like, oh, I'm getting somebody's train to connect on three way to this transmission. Oh, look at that. It's the relic. Hey, why doesn't anybody ask me what I want to do? They're all talking over my head like I'm not even here. It's hard being a relic.

It's not easy being buried for a thousand years under a temple! Why are there so many songs about temples and what's buried underground? Tablet servicions, syscoes and profit. That Admiral Beltbuckle's like, um, anyways, I gotta go. But I get that thing back to the surface quickly.

Admiral Beltbuckle has the good sense to stay far away from this episode. Yeah, quickly. Uh, as little bell buckle has the good sense to stay far away from this episode. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, uh, Chuck, this up is one of the rare times that I think you and I are both on Kiwin side on this. Yeah, yeah. Kiwin's the hero of the episode. So this goes to villain. You're sending it back and I was just starting to have fun.

Dax is, uh, is kind of, she's been rolling her eyes at this assignment the entire time, but Cisco comes down to kind of light a fire under her ass. I need these inscriptions translated. And I have to send it back in the morning, so do it quick. And she's got like some of it translated. And the news is not great at them. It's real ghost festersie, you know, like... Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.

Rivers and seas boiling. 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcano. Given the tone of the rest of the inscriptions, I would bet unhorrible suffering. The upshot is the gateway to the temple is going to be destroyed and they're interpreting the gateway as being deep space nine. I think playing the part of the non-religious person in this episode instead of O'Brien is DAX and it feels unusual to me for her to be like this at him, even that they are sort of best friends. And he is the

emissary. She's known this from the start. She knows how important this shit is to him. I feel like she doesn't often give him this much shit about that. Yeah. Does O'Brien not appear at all in this episode? No. If one guy had been new, new being taken by a power-a-th would feel like it's him and his relationship to Keko, right? Yeah, his absence has felt very keenly, especially in the next scene, which is Odo Wurf and Bashir, getting together to have a hang, except for it's three guys who I don't really think of as friends. Hey guys, do you want to grab the world's tiniest table outside of quarks? Does this count as a patio? What they're doing? Like, like, sitting outside of quarks? This is what passes for outdoor dining on Deep Space Line.

I wonder if it feels at all like, like when you go to the Caesar's Palace Mall, and the mall is like fake outside. Right, yeah. Just get like the clouds on top. Oh, should really give it some of that flavor. Yeah, the Venice Canal inside the casino.

Yeah, there should be like more silk plants everywhere, I think. Right. They're kind of talking over this issue of like, do you believe or do you not? And Odo is in a new relationship with a woman who has a great deal of faith that he does not share. And that's a an interesting puzzle to solve for a new boyfriend, but they don't really solve it. I feel like this scene exists to introduce the experience of the first banger and nothing more. Right. Yeah, like there's like the thing about how business has been slow at quirks.

There's a lot of doom and gloom, but you know, I guess it's connected to the way the war is going. If there's one man at that table who knows what it's like to have very strong spiritual beliefs, it's war. And warf says very little. And to be in a relationship where the other person doesn't, like he could speak to it from Kieres side in an interesting way. Yeah.

And I think that that would be an interesting use of this scene, like have the scene be about that and then get the banger. The wormhole is winking, open and closed for some reason. I love the look of this banger, because it is not the super high impact banger of a R-ship has been hit. Like the camera movements are much slower than that. It's like this like rumbly, baszy,

like earthquake style banger. It's very specific. Right. But it's not gonna put a cramp in Odo's new relationship. He's still going on lunch dates with his girlfriend. Watch me eat. This begins a period of like an hour on Deep Space 9 Twitter where every post is like, did you feel it?

Banger. Banger, guys. The app didn't go out, though. So it must have been below the threshold for the app, or is the app not working? I did it not anything over in your quarters, it didn't not anything over in my quarters, my quarters were fine. My furniture has a very wide base. Nothing was in danger of falling over in there.

I sloshed out of my bucket, but that's fine. Do you think Odo just stays over at Kira's all the time? There's no way she's going to his place. What would their bed look like if they got shacked up? Is it mattress on her side and, like, kitty pool on his? Are they having weird jungle gym sex? I don't know, maybe they're taking it slow. It's hard to know how much time has passed since they made it official, right?

If Kira were truly banging Odo, she would no longer believe in God. I'll tell you that much. I just went through five things I can't say. I'm really stuck here. It doesn't work like that. Maybe it should. Kira is eating an entire package of mixed fruit? Odo doesn't have the faith that Curia does,

but he's a supportive listener. And that's what you wanna be when you're in a committed relationship, right? You don't have to believe the same things. And you can respect someone, even if you don't share their beliefs up to a point. And that's what's being shown here but

For all of their being happy despite all of the scary shit that's going on That's not how everyone's feeling. Kai win is up in Cisco's office Ripping him a new asshole over how bad things are getting on Bajor because there's like tornadoes and flooding and all kinds of all kinds of terrible natural disasters befalling Bajor. Sisko's like if I wanted a weather report, Kiowen, I'd turn on KBJN. But she is attributing this directly to the fact that that that Cisco has stolen this artifact. Cisco should be in jail for this. He just took the artifact. Yeah. And what's clear to me is that he didn't replace the artifact with a of equal size and weight bag of sand. Do you know how many boulders are just rolling around, Bayshore right now? 10,000 boulders.

Do you know how many darts are just flying out of walls? It's a mess down there. Yeah. I mean, she makes some good points, too. This has a very ominous comparison to things that the Kardashians did when they occupied our planet. That is going to lead to a diplomatic incident and she shoves a iPad across the table, add him with an order from Shikar to return the relic,

which is proof positive that Bejor is all pretty much an agreement on this. If Kiwin and Shikar agree on something, it means Cisco fucked up. That's a bad look. So he promises, it's on the next flight, it'll be there in the morning. That means Dax is gonna have to work overtime, but fortunately she has done the thing that we wondered why they didn't just do in the first place,

which is take hollow recordings of it. That's not gonna satisfy like the real thing, trust me! Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff of several we have until the end of the episode, which goes something like, this is what I believe the prophets want. No, this is what I believe the prophets want. The unprovable religious prescriptions that have... Right. And, and, and Kaiwen just doesn't believe it. So, that, you know, and she's willing to make his life unpleasant enough that he has to capitulate to what she wants. There's a conversation between Kirin Odo up in Ops about some more stuff and it's clear that this relic business is really given him a headache. Kirin suggests that his headache will go away the second the Kai leaves the station.

Which I thought was really funny. That is great. She has a real insight into why he and the Kai have such static though. She's jealous of you and of your relationship with the prophets. Well, this is one of my favorite parts of this episode. I think it's the best written. It's the most insightful about these characters, as you say. This is the narcissism of minor differences. This is you guys both occupying the same space at the same time when ordinarily only one of you would have

this kind of sway. Like try to understand, Kai-Win thought she was going to be the top of the mountain here, and now she's got to share it with the length of you. And you're not even bejoring. Right. Later, Kira meets up with Kayawin on the promenade in order to see what side the Kaya's on. Right. Like in an interesting continuation of this conversation. The Kaya is, she's happy that the relic is coming back and also suspects that Kira is always happy to see the Kaya

lose. And I don't think that that's really like what Kira's angle is here. No, and it's a scene that feels strangely abbreviated, too. Yeah. Because you really not made to draw any conclusions from any scene up until this moment. I think that what's strange about it is that the guy always clothes her actions in the this is what's good for Bay-Jour. I'm only doing what's right for Bay-Jour clothing, but Kira knows for a fact that that's

almost never actually what the guy is doing. It's always self-serving in some way. And I wish there had been some call out of that in this moment. Because I think Kira is right that the Kai is jealous and a little resentful of Cisco for co-opting some of her shine as a head religious figure. But also the Kai is super ambitious. And like, there's a way to defend that, right? Like, there's a, there's a version of this script where the Kai says, like, I'm called

by the prophets to, to lead. And that, the ambition that I have is an instrument of the prophets, you know, like she could, she could easily defend herself in a way that very religious people do sometimes, but it doesn't really, it doesn't really feel like the episode takes that up. Her position is also diminished by Cisco's because she says like she's never talked to the profits the way Cisco has. And that, that always makes her feel and act less than. has and that that always makes her feel and act less than. Even though she feels like like she's the realist of the two, she's she's true bejorin.

Right. Like she's never gonna feel equal in the eyes of the profits, and that's really put a great big chip on her shoulder. Yeah, she's super sensitive about how overlooked she feels. We both serve the profits. There is no higher calling. For some reason, Jake enters Ben Sisko's quarters, and this is the companion scene

to the one that happens in the cave. He tells his dad that he gets scared every time a tablet appears in his dad's presence because something bad always happens to his dad during. Right. And he's totally right. Yeah, he keeps showing up in uninfirmary beds with, you know, crazy mental processes running rampant. And it's freaky. I don't want it to happen again. Does Cisco sleep in a full-size bed? Is the question that I had in the scene that follows? Because you see Cisco rolling around, you can't sleep.

It seems like kind of a dorm bed situation. Yeah, it is a tiny bed. I wonder what he does when Cassidy is over. If the captain's rocking a trundle, that can't happen. That's a bad look, captain. Or maybe they're one of those couples that has like separate beds or even separate bedrooms. Are they shacked up?

I don't really get the sense that they're shacked up. Yeah, I mean, where's her shit? Like, there should be some of it around his quarters, right? Yeah, you would think. Should be science of Cassidy. Right, but there are none. He can't sleep, so he goes down to the relic lab. Oh you're up to! Hey you want to just sit and talk? I was just about to open up a bottle of canar. Somebody left it

in here. I'm a good listener. I will listen to what what do you do with your hands now? Oh I killed it! And we find out that the relic was full of farts the whole time. Very gassy relic. There's much like the encounter at Firepoint episode, a little bit of pink and a little bit of blue. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- into the ceiling. You do not want to make the relic part of your gender reveal party. I don't think. I'm gonna tell you what kind of junk your baby's gonna have. It has no bearing on what your baby's gender identity will be,

but you're trying to counteract a social shift that you don't understand. Maybe I deserve to be thrown against a wall. a social shift that you don't understand. Maybe I deserve to be thrown against a wall. Maybe I'm a disgusting performance of your retro great ideas. Later, it's like officer Odo and Dax interviewing Cisco about what happened. And the truth doesn't help. Yeah. Cisco is like, yeah, I woke up and I threw that tablet against the wall. Something inside me made me do it.

And it felt good. It's the like crime scene investigation that like doesn't have an episode after it because the guy confesses to exactly what happens in the moment. He said the profit part out loud. Yeah. And it's also like kind of one of those things of like, well, we don't arrest like rich and powerful people for doing bad shit because everybody's like, you know, no, we believe you. We're giving you the benefit of the doubt that for some reason,

you destroyed this priceless artifact. Well, we're trying to understand his why. This episode is so focused on the one point on the horizon that it must end. It does not consider the reality of the situations on our way there. And this is one of them, right? Like, Kiwin should citizens arrest him for this. Instead, he asks her to extend the trust

that the prophets told him wrecking this relic was a good idea. And why would they do that? I wish I had an answer for you. This is another Ki-Win versus Captain Cisco. You're just going to have to believe me, religious argument, that cannot be resolved. Long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, more, more, more, you need to hear everybody more and stop, have a time. And we don't have time to resolve it,

Adam, because there is a lot of caco lightning happening down on the promenade. And this time the caco lightning is getting major cure. There is no cure, there is only Zool. And that's why it's forward, Ben. Indeed. She's got blue eyes. It's like real, like big trouble in little China vibes

for a lot of the rest of this episode, because it's like the wind blowing in her hair, the blue eyes, the caco lightning. She's like storm from X-Men a little bit. Yeah. Where did all these newspapers come from on the promenade? Just blowing around? Oh, it's just, you know, this is a bad part of the promenade. It's reckoning time, Ben. But there's got to be a corresponding evil

to fight. Right. And that's what Zool is saying. Kira has been inhabited by a profit, which we know because Cisco tells the security guys that show up not to shoot her. I know this isn't unusual order coming from me. That's my girlfriend up there. I agree with. The evil one. That's a... Right, Kaiwen refers to it and it does show up in the form of for some reason Jake. This scene shouldn't have worked but I enjoyed it very much. Yeah. But I enjoyed it very much. Yeah. Srirachloftin with the giant red eyes.

I mean, we know that when you evacuate Duse-based 9, Srirachloftin is getting left behind every time. Yeah, so much. It's no surprise that he shows up, but the contacts that they put him in, the crazy veins that they put on his forehead, are a lot of fun. I love that this is another low-key fuck you to Chi-Win

because she looks at Kira being inhabited by this paw-raith and she's like, I wanna be inhabited by a paw-raith that's never happened to me. All of this super spiritual shit is going on all around her and none of it is inside her. None of it is coming out of her. It's all at her. Yeah, and Prophet Kira won't even it is inside her. None of it is coming out of her. It's all at her. Yeah, and and Prophet Kira won't even like talk to her. Like when when Cisco says something to Kira,

she like turns and answers, but when Kai Wynne like runs after her, she just gets ignored. So this turns into a showdown where there was like blue energy coming out of Kira's chest. where there was like blue energy coming out of curious chest. And orange energy coming out of Jake's chest. And a big ball of energy in the middle. And this is going to usblow the station if they're not careful. It's real Wild West energy. Yeah, this is an intense scene. There has been some suggestion that there may be a technological way out, though,

which is flood the promenade with Craniton radiation. Time travel. We know that that's something that the profits slash wormhole aliens are allergic to, so it'll force them to clear out if we do that. And Cisco, against basically everyone else who's weighing in on this is saying, no, we've got to let this play out. We've got to see who wins the reckoning because if the profits win the reckoning, it's going to be a thousand years of golden age for Bay-Jour.

Which anybody who's played like a civilization game knows is awesome, an awesome deal. But also if the pot-raith wins, it's the end, right? It's kind of Bajor and Ragnarok. And the conflict behind the conflict is the sacrifice, right? Yeah. It's Bensisco looking at his son, and it's Odo looking at Kira,

and Odo feeling like he can sacrifice her for this because this is what Kira would really want. Right. And Ben Sisko struggling with the idea of his son being sacrificed for this purpose. And hanging over all of that, the station blowing up might mean that the wormhole aliens stop preventing the dominion from coming through the wormhole, which would be really bad for everyone in the Alpha Quadrant. You can tell that Odo and Cisco feel differently about this

because Odo's just laying back in the cut, watching. And Captain Cisco is going extremely high-voice dad. But the purpose will not let anything happen to him. How do you know that? I know. Yeah. He really goes up and active when he's being a loving parent, and the scene is no different. They are evacuating the station as fast as they can, and Cisco orders everyone but him,

Kira and Jake to leave the promenade. And shockingly, it is Kai Wynn that runs to a computer somewhere and takes the technological intervention. She punches the flood the promenade with crownatons button. Everyone leaves ops and they're like, okay, so I'm not going to turn the screensaver on. We're just going to walk out of here. We don't need the password to get back in thing set up, no? What the fuck were they thinking?

Yeah. Kai-win just steps up to a station and, and releases the chronotons. How would she even know to do that? I think she was there when Dex was talking about it on the promenade. That has to be it. But knowing how to do it and knowing to do it are two different things. I think that's my main point.

Ki-win seems like someone who has a granddaughter set the clock on her VCR for her. Ha-ha-ha. Yeah. I don't think she knows the sequence of buttons to launch the chronotons. You know that Ki-win's left turn signal is on, no matter what is going on when she's driving her car. Her Bajoran Buick is just a very big land yacht. You know what?

The hood on a Bajoran Buick has got little grooves in it. Little louvers. Hey, this is a nice spacious car. I'm sure glad you arranged for me to come back to the planet so I could ride around in it with you. Kind of feel like the Pope back here. I guess you're more the Pope than me. Amazing that they were able to glue me back together so well. Anyways, mind if I smoke? Jake was also ready to die, right? He was.

We catch up with him in the infirmary. He's going to be laid up for a few days. I guess he was losing the energy fight. I thought that this was a scene where they should have discussed what win did. Like, it would be interesting for Cisco to say like, actually, Kai win kind of saved your life. I was, I was also ready for, to let that thing play out and she wasn't. Right, and how would it feel to have, for some reason, Jake, indebted to Kaiwen when,

when you, Ben Sisko, have such a rocky relationship with her, that would have injected some interesting conflict into the family. But this is a conflict-free family. Right. And this is a scene about them just expressing their love to each other and Jake expressing

what it feels like to have a par-raith inside you. And how much he welcomed death in that experience. He did the right thing. Here is like, there are times when I would also welcome death with Odo inside me. The little death that is. Sometimes I welcome it over and over and over again. It is hard to get that guy tired. Kiri leaves a prayer service and Odo has been outside waiting.

Kira doesn't feel equal to the honor that the Prophet gave her and making her zool. She's got complicated feelings about what just happened. Yeah. I did think it was cute the way she unhooked his leash from the bike stand that she'd tied him up at. She hit triangle to unlasso. The horse.

You're a good boy. She chose some gratitude to Odo for respecting her beliefs enough to allow her to possibly die during. And then she walks Kai-Win to the transport. And they talk about the kind of post game what happened for the first time since it happened and Kai-win is pretty pleased with herself having

saved Bejure from the reckoning and Curious like you didn't necessarily save it from anything. There are two farts floating around somewhere Like they're not they didn't die. They just left and I'm not sure if even the prophets know what that will mean for Bajor. Yeah, they didn't fumigate the station for those farts. Yeah. You're gonna need to do that. They didn't fumigate the station, those farts fumigated the station themselves. Kai-Win does that thing that firmly plants her on the side of hateable person because she did a thing

that ended up turning out okay and just cannot get over the fact that she's not getting the gratitude she thinks she deserves. She's like, Kira, did you not see what I did? Why am I not being carried off the station on people's shoulders. It's insane. I Prevented the destruction of this station. I like this moment for the hateability of Ki-win. Yeah, I mean That's the fun of that character is her hateability and they give it to us so seldom in this episode They give it only in this one scene, I think Right. Did you like the episode Adam? You really want to do this here. Now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it.

I liked it more as we talked about it than I did when I saw it. This episode, the problem is this episode is fat. Yeah. It is so fat. And by that I mean, we just get a ton of scenes where exposition happens and then we talk about the exposition that just happened. Yeah. Yeah. Like there's so many like interstitial

scenes that do nothing but set up the next action. And it just feels fairly unmotivated and meandering as we go through it. There are a lot of interesting questions this episode asks, but it takes a conversation like this, I think, to really sift through them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that one thing I like about this episode is that it feels like it's injecting some new chaos into the story, but it also, but it kind of does that in like a very old time TV way,

which is setting up conflict meticulously all episode long and only to snatch it away before it's actually resolved. Right. So it kind of feels like it's in this like middle place between modern television and old time television where it can't quite decide whether it wants to reset all the pieces at the end of the episode. I had read that there was an instinct to make this more of a haunted house type story, make more of a horror film feeling thing. Wow. I'm glad they didn't do that, but I wonder... more of a horror film feeling thing. Wow.

I'm glad they didn't do that, but I wonder... Yeah, I mean, we wouldn't have gotten the Muppetized Relic in that case. I wasn't joking when I was making references to Indiana Jones films. I feel like that is a theme and a story language that would be really welcome here, is those kind of conflicts,

and it's and they're touched on a little bit but yeah I think TNG was more more conversant in that kind of style of storytelling. Asaka is waking. Well, do you want to see if we have any priority one messages Adam? Got to do that. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it.

A supplement? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Then we got a couple of priority 1 messages here of a personal nature. The first one is from Dennis from Minneapolis and it's to Ben and Adam. Her message goes like this, hello!

In the past, I asked about your favorite loaf and the erotic content of Hollisweep programs. This time, I have a question about Enkiy Swords. Enkiy Swords. Imagine you're the symbiote inside DAX, which deep space 9 character would you want to get all up inside of next? And then in parenthesis it says, please set aside any world building rules that might interfere. Thanks you're the best.

Wow, I feel like if you go with somebody like Quark, you're probably like pretty low likelihood that you're gonna get like bumped or injured in any way, because Quark doesn't get into like fist fights or anything that much. Like he's a busy guy, but he lives a mostly fairly leisurely lifestyle, so maybe Quark is who I would go with. I think I would get too hot inside of quark because he wears all those layers. Oh yeah. Thick layers.

Yeah and you're also like like he's eating like bugs and stuff and so presumably you're getting like a billacle chewed up bugs. Yeah. That doesn't sound good. I don't know if you're an ankylisor. Ankylisor. That might be your favorite meal. Maybe that's what you like. I mean if you've you're an ankylosaur. Ankylosaur. That might be your favorite meal. Maybe

that's what you like. I mean if you've got the ankylosaur. Ankylosaur. Just out in like a tray that newborns are put in. What do you feed them when they're out of the womb? Probably like baby food. Yeah. I think the most comfortable character in all of DS9 is gonna be Odo Because he could he could he could stretch out to accommodate you. Oh, yeah, or he could hug you tight if that's what you want You know how like goldfish grow to the size of the ball that they're in You know like they get they get bigger and bigger as their as their environment gets bigger Do you think that the ankylosaur having no like they get bigger and bigger as their environment gets bigger. Do you think that the Ankylo sore having no practical constraints

would just keep growing inside Odo and who eventually have to be like a 50-foot tall man to accommodate his giant Ankylo sore? I bet. I want to believe that that's the truth. Yeah, I do too. He just gets gossamer-thin, but just very very very large.

Adam our second priority one message is from 39 year old Marta and it's to 40 year old Marta and it goes like this. Your milestone birthday didn't turn out how you planned, Turn out, how you planned, but taking the celebration to Zoom was the only honorable choice. In the face of an invisible enemy, a warrior stays home and saves lives. By the way, if you decide you want to forget this whole thing, never happened, hit me up.

I know a guy. I'm seeing, ever happened, hit me up. I know a guy. I feel like Karn is referring to a specific doctor on deep face nine that he knows. I know. You know, I've pivoted away from ice pick and into a form of lobotomy that comes in a convenient glass like all of my favorite things. You can use a high-pressure stream of urine, and it's just as sharp as a scalpel. It's a lot like a water pick for your brain.

But she was actually like one of the only people on Deep Space 9 that New Curr never actually met, right? Because he was there when he woke up. He does know a guy. If you're looking to eliminate witnesses, I think you start with this year. Well, if you'd like to leave a P1 on the show, you know, to do, you head to maximumone.org slash jumbo tron. It's a hundred bucks for a personal message and 200 for a commercial message. Both of which go a long, long way towards supporting the ongoing production of the greatest generation.

True indeed. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Incredible! Drunk Shimoda! Yeah, I think I'm gonna to give it to Kai win. Just being told to leave the station and she just teeders off takes a left when she was

told to make a right. Just steps up to a station. She doesn't understand. Probably has never used before. And just sees where her fingers taken? You must believe the truth of that moment for this episode to work for you. I think it all falls apart if you don't believe she can get this done. I think just the insanity of that moment falls on her shoulders.

I think I'm just going to mark the occasion by declaring her my drunk Shimoda. She might not deserve it, but I think it needs to go into the record as something crazy. I have a fast rewrite, which is DAX comes down with like a pad or a tricorder that's like, this is the trigger. Like, let's do this now.

Yeah. You know? I like that a lot. If there was a foolproof object instead of a big complicated computer screen, they would make it a lot more plausible. Plus it makes something to fight over. Right. In a fun way. Yeah. It would be fun to see Louise Fletcher like Bunkdex. I wonder if they ever thought about putting a pie rate inside the wheat's, wheat's fletcher. Hmm. That would have been fun.

Hmm. It's an interesting idea, Adam. That's my rewrite. We'll see if they ever do anything with it. My drunk tomato is Kira for having a business hotel breakfast, fruit salad. No doubt. You get those red grapes in there.

Yeah. The red grapes and the honey do melon and the canelo. Yeah. Give me a fucking break. You know that that honey do melon is just filler. Nobody likes that shit. I mean, there's good honey do melon, but it's never good in that context. It's got to be so disappointing to have better food at crafty than what you're made to

eat on camera, right? It looks like they just went to a ralphs and got it out of the refrigerated section in the fruits and vegetable area. And that's such an unusual thing for this show. Usually they do such a good job of having the food look spacey and weird or at least in the interesting cuisine, like Creole. In this, it's just like super generic North American business travel food. Yeah, here is like, hard seedless grapes, great.

Anyway, she's my drink, Shimoda, for that. Yeah, yeah, continental breakfast gets the Shimoda. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment. Hey, let's make a pretty great name for a tour.

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that episode by going over to the game of Butthold. Will the Prophet set? God's Tap is. Slash game. The episode is season 6, episode 22, valiant. Jake and Nag are rescued by an elite group of Starfleet cadets on a secret mission. So for some reason this is the Jake and Nag episode? Uh-huh. Cool. I just never trust elite groups of Starfleet cadets. It seems like like maybe the most evil group of people in the universe are elite Starfleet cadets.

And none of them are haxors either. No, Ben. No. Well, currently I run about it on Square 76. A couple of squares ahead is the Nth degree episode that of course is the one where we do so much research. Yeah, and it's like it'll it's the kind of research that makes people hate us. Right, because it's never enough. Yeah. That's why we don't do research on this show. You're required to learn as you play, role. Just calibrating the dye in my hands,

giving them a good shake. There we go. Oh, Ben, you know what I've rolled, I've rolled a one. Shula! Did I win? All right. Run square 77. Wow. Nothing different's gonna happen on the next episode, just you and me talking about an episode of Deep Space Nine. I am looking forward to that, buddy.

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And those two specifically food science, right? Yeah, yeah, amazing. That's great Food science that's oriented toward making it accessible to normals I'll say right there's probably food science people that are That are equally accomplished, but they're like that are writing like textbooks for culinary schools and shit At a regusia in Kenji Lopez Alter are making YouTube's that you can follow along at home It's right all right. We've rambled long enough haven't we? Think we have thanks for all of your support of the show over at MaximumFund.org slash join. Thanks for your support by buying P1 messages at MaximumFund.org slash jumbo

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I'm gonna be in that big hoop contraption, screaming. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah. Yeah, give me that little robot. Give me a blue jumper. Yeah. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Yorapika, kaka, kaka. Have a long and a museum!

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