The Greatest Generation - Bar Goals (DS9 S5E18)
Episode Date: December 16, 2019When Quark becomes inspired by a Nicolas Cage movie, his career change forces a Face/Off against law enforcement on the station. But when his Lord of War routine makes his friends Gone in 60 Seconds, ...he finds himself between The Rock and a hard place. Did Odo shower after his night with Alyssa? How competitive are Starfleet leave benefits? Is Yoshi O’Brien a flour baby? It’s the episode that’s flashy craft!
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Here's to the finest crew, Deep Space Nine.
It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit of Maristat with Star
Trek podcast.
I'm one of those guys, I'm Ben Harrison.
I'm Adam Pranica.
Good afternoon Adam, or morning, if you're listening to this the second it comes out.
All right how many midnight friends of Dishoto do we have I wonder who are the Sunday night session?
There are I know that I know that Plavim one time told me that he stays up all night and listens at like 3 a.m. his time when the new episode
comes out.
Wow, that's pretty cool.
I don't know if Plavim still listens to the program. We've not had any indication of
that in a long time.
Yeah.
Did we do anything to hurt Plavim and Razz and that old gang. Did we do something? Pretty sure their torpedo tubes have softly landed on the Genesis planet somewhere and they're waiting for us to discover them.
Ben, I have a proposition for you.
It's something we have done in quite a long time, but given the topic of the day, and by that I mean the episode of Deep Space 9 we're gonna discuss,
I thought you might be interested in
doing little madlibs with me
Oh, I would love nothing more
Oh, I would love nothing more. All right, as we've done before, I am the holder of the Madlib's book, given to us by
our friend of DeSoto Dan Davis.
Yeah, that's a... that actually brings up a good point, which is that you are the holder
of that book because you were previously the holder of the PO box, but now that you're
moving, we've switched PO boxes.
Adam, so look at me. I am the PO box captain now. Really had a great experience at our PO box place
yesterday where I attempted to shut that box down. And because I was convinced to pre-pay for the year. It's like a rolling year. We're
going year to year in that month, month of the PO box. I was like, yeah, there's really
no reason for me to have this anymore. So why don't we wind this thing down and then
you can just refund me for all the months that I'm not going to use. And the guys, like,
what the fuck are you talking about? That's not how things work. That's not how any of
this works. Yeah.
And I really felt like a fool.
I told my wife that they would not give you a pro-related refund and she offered to
go to war with them.
Oh, my God. That type of shit makes her blood boil.
I couldn't even be mad I was so surprised.
Oh, yeah. Sucked. Oh, it's... Yeah.
Sucked.
Anyway, what I guess I'm trying to say is that you could keep sending stuff to the old P.O. box address, but it may be a year before we see it, so.
As ever, the rule is never send food.
Alright, Ben.
The first word I need from you is a plural noun.
Pewis. How about a verb? Shoot. How about a noun? I've been the first word I need from you is a plural noun, Peewees.
How about a verb?
Shoot.
How about a noun?
Pooper.
How about another noun?
Chair.
And an adjective.
Jazz.
We use that as an adjective all the time.
Yeah, I mean, madlibs really work great when you apply
like a personal manipulation to things.
Yeah.
It really, really creates a great one.
Nonsense in jokes.
Really improve the madlib experience.
Another noun, please.
Shuttlecraft.
Type of food.
It's gotta be gach.
Noun.
Kevin's house.
Verb ending in I-N-G.
Gambling.
Ed verb. Hmm. Farting. Farting. Farting. Farting.
Farting.
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Farting. Farting. Farting. Farting. Farting. These tenses keep tripping me. Verb ending in I&G. Farding.
Adjective.
Harry.
A place.
Deep Space Nine.
Celebrity.
Captain Picard.
And finally, adjective.
Rumpold.
Alright Ben, the title of today's Mad Lib is,
Halidec Doos & Don'ts. Fun. Today's Mad Lib is... Holiday Duse & Dotes.
Fun!
There are certain peewees that you'll have to follow if you want to shoot the holiday. First of all, what is it?
The holiday is a pooper that creates a simulated reality for anyone inside.
The chair the holiday creates seems so jazz that you can hardly tell the difference.
Eat a shuttlecraft in the holiday and it tastes like gah!
Want to play a game of Kevin's house?
Strap on your helmet and start gambling.
People on starships recklessly want to use the holiday because they can fly things
that they have not seen in months or years.
Some people like it so much that they can't stop themselves
from farting at it. That's true. That's called holodiction and it's very hairy. So if
you're missing Deep Space Nine or want to meet Captain Picard, hop into the holodic and
get ready for some rumbled fun. Wow. That worked better than almost anything. I definitely
do want to play Kevin's house.
We've kept the idea of Kevin alive.
That's maybe the main thing that we've done
on greatest generation.
That is our number one contribution to humanity
and the generation to come.
Barkley was not on board to the entrepreneur
when they met Kevin, but could you imagine
how fucking nuts it would have been
if all his holidays had to do with Kevin
and his house? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha beautiful painting of Kevin's house. How you kept that, didn't you?
Well, I don't know.
I don't know how anything works because I think Rob,
like we set stuff down on the merch table
when people give it to us and then Rob
packs up the merch table,
typically at the end of the night.
And I think some of the stuff goes into the one suitcase
that the T-shirts came in and the other stuff goes
into the suitcase that the T-shirts came in, and the other stuff goes into the suitcase that the coins and posters came in,
and that splits it up between us.
Yeah, I've noticed that same thing happens
with our cash box.
Pfft.
Huh.
And then like, have you noticed Rob has been
like, his wardrobe has really gotten a big boost.
Like, Rob has been walking around in those shoes
that have fish living in the platform souls,
really acting like he owns the place.
And Ben, it's a saltwater fish too.
Like you know, that's even more expensive.
Yeah, and all those gold teeth
that he seems to have replaced his perfectly healthy
original teeth with.
What the hell, Rob?
I don't know.
It feels like everywhere returned, people
are double-crossing us.
Ha-ha-ha-ha.
Well, it's business as usual, Adam.
Oh.
Speaking of which.
That's also the title of today's episode, Ben.
Yeah, it's season five episode 18 of Star Trek Deep Space 9.
Directed by Alexander Sidig. Yeah, it's his first time.
He's credited as a Sidig El Fadeal, but his full name, Adam, of course,
is Sidig El Tair, El Fadil, El Sidig Abdur Aman, Muhammad,
Ahmed Abdel Karim El Madi.
But he has like one stage name for acting
and another one for directing.
I like that.
And he goes in for a little piece for those two.
What do you think are the benefits of being one name
as a director and one other name as an actor?
Yeah.
I mean, do you see you have to pay double dues
if he wants to be director's guild and actor's guild?
I think you have to no matter what.
Yeah, weird.
I think when we talked to Lavar Burton back in the day, he said that they kind of,
they had like a process in place by the time he became a director on the show.
Total bullshit, man.
And if you're an actor, like a main cast actor and you ask to be given the consideration of directing some episodes, they like
the Star Trek industrial comp,
complex is prepared to talk you through how to do that.
It's just bullshit.
That's pretty great.
I think it's one of the great things about Star Trek
as a production is how you were able to get reps in this way.
Like how many Sudan-born people in Hollywood
were directing television episodes at this time?
You can't help but feel as though this experience makes you a better actor
because you want to understand that relationship from both sides, don't you?
Like, if you're an actor and you're directing something for the first time,
I think, I think you intrinsically understand what an actor wants in a way that a director
that's only ever been a director may not understand.
Yeah, I mean, and that comports, I think, with what we talked to Lavar Burton about.
And I think that, you know, Bashir is a character that has really undergone some really important
change in this season. And I think that's both like story-based character change
and also like how the production thinks about him
as a character and the kind of respect
that they pay him as a character.
Yeah.
And this feels like it may be partly
attendant to the second half of that.
Like if the production is taking him more seriously, maybe they are taking the person portraying him more seriously as well.
So this episode opens with Jetsia.
She is carrying on with one of her late night gambling hangs with Quark and he's a little
distracted.
Quark, it's your move.
Just a me. Tango has always felt to me a lot like poker in that it is a group game.
And playing Tango heads up this way really requires a lot of you.
Like you can't just fuck off and look at your phone while you're playing
two handed Tango, right?
Yeah, there are a couple of empty seats next to them.
Did you get the idea that they had eliminated all other players?
Oh, you know, I didn't even consider the idea that maybe they busted everyone out.
I don't know.
And it's like, it's like one of those games that just goes super late into the night as
they beat each other up over the pot.
That could be the case.
It looks like it's very late at night at this point.
Quark is doing that thing where he's losing a bunch
of investments at the same time
that he's losing his game of Tango,
kind of like an internet gambler playing a bunch
of poker games at once, right?
Like he's losing everywhere.
And he's losing the kind of way where he's not even feeling it emotionally.
He's just being kicked in the nuts to the degree that by the time DAX finally grabs him
by the lapels and asks him to start paying attention or else she'll leave.
He's been busted out in real life.
He's lost all of his investment. It belongs to doing a week.
If I don't come up with a Latinum, there'd be nothing left of me but a greasy spot in
the promenade.
Did you hear the Quadro Triticali futures?
I did.
Didn't do well.
Yeah.
And I don't know if hungry tribbles, I guess, to drop up that stock.
Yeah, he's really overextended himself. of hungry tribbles, I guess, to drop up that stock.
Yeah, he's really overextended himself.
And this is a real thing that happens to people in business.
They're really drawing a parallel between gambling
and investing in this scene, I think.
I think the one thing that this episode maybe ignores
is the fact that this bar has sort of been bailed out
already, and everybody brought in secondhand canar and whatever to restock the bar.
And apparently Quark has in about one year's time squandered all of that goodwill.
Yeah, sure seems that way.
And that's just the start in this episode.
At this moment, Gala barges in and this is a cousin of Quirks that we have heard of
through reputation.
He's the cousin with the moon.
Yeah.
And has an interaction with Dax.
How titillating.
And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it?
Before she beats me and he proposes a
Working arrangement with Quark wherein they would be in the weapons sales business, which is a business that
That Quark claims to not know much about even though we've for sure heard tell of him selling arms before
Right and Gala has found him at exactly the right time.
Like the exact moment he's lost everything,
that door closes and this door to Gala
and arms trading opens.
Yeah.
Gala's played by Josh Pace, who's a venerable that guy.
He's been in about a million TV shows
and a few movies, including rounders.
Might wanna leave a little something
for your daughter's writing lessons.
To speak of gambling things.
Hey, that's cool.
I really like that movie.
Written by the great Brian Coppillment.
So Prano's Sex of the City,
it's been a beautiful mind, lawn order.
What hasn't he been in?
It really gets around.
So yeah, the deal that he proposesoses is he wants to use Quark as
As one of his salesman in this in this arms dealing venture and
Quark will get 5%
Commission on deals that he closes and Quark is like wait wait wait wait wait like
Oh no Mr. Bunkie
like, Odo.
It's a fun ongoing paranoia that Quark feels
throughout the app for Odo.
Yeah, Odo is not in the app a ton,
but his presence is felt.
It's a paranoia that Quark should feel
every moment of every day,
and it's a wonder that only in this case does he feel it
the most acutely.
Right?
Yeah, I mean, cause quirk is constantly doing crime.
Be for Inge, do crime.
Yeah.
Should we make that a t-shirt?
Sure.
That's probably cultural appropriations.
Yeah.
I mean, like the paranoia is kind of late bear in this episode. There's like a lot of bouncing on barstools and dipping is pinky into drinks to see if
he can taste Odo in them.
Yeah.
And that definitely like pegs the paranoia needle.
I mean, if you're tasting for Odo, you're probably still tasting a lisa right? Whoa! Yausa! Gross! That makes a simple investigation a
little bit more complicated. Oh, then one of the more insane pairings between A and B stories ever. I think is the B story
appendage to business as usual because we cut back and forth between the A to the
O'Brien baby and how difficult it is to get young Yoshi to sleep. We get like
God the the skinniest thread of interstitial scenes woven throughout this episode.
Beginning with a scene where Jake just reminds us that he's on the show.
Morning, G.
Shhh.
Like his two lines of dialogue and then he's out.
O'Brien's rocking Yoshi so long without showing his face to camera that I thought for sure it was a flower baby
before handing him to Jake and proving the hypothesis
that only with Miles O'Brien can Yoshi fall asleep
and not cry.
I think that there's a baby stand in
because there's really like two or three moments
where you actually see a living baby in this episode.
And yeah, I mean, I think the nice thing about this
be story is that it is a confirmation that chief O'Brien has finally started to pull some
of his weight in the family project of raising children.
Yeah, but at the same time, he shouldn't have to carry that weight because the starfleet
paternity slash maternity leave policy should be far more generous than it is.
What the fuck is this shit?
Yeah, what the fuck Starfleet?
Also, who does Kaka work for?
Really?
Because she's off doing work on Beijor, but does she work for Starfleet in that capacity?
I don't think so, right? So if she's an independent contractor,
why doesn't she get more time off to care for Yoshi?
Well, sometimes as an independent contractor,
as I'm sure you know,
it doesn't ever feel like you can turn work down.
The future sucks, Ben.
It's a nightmare.
Ben, did you ever have to carry around a flower baby at your tennis academy?
Was that a thing that you're familiar with or was that just me, a public school kid?
In middle school, we had a project where we had to carry a hard boiled egg for a week.
Oh, hard boiled is chicken shit.
You should have to carry a raw egg around.
Well, it's going to get should have to carry a raw egg around
well it's gonna get stinky if you carry a raw egg around for a week
uh... raw egg can totally live outside of a fridge
that is true if you're in europe or uh... certain
uh... countries in africa where they don't wash a protective coding off the
shell but in the in the u.s. you tell me that your tennis academy they would
have given you european sourced eggs give you a break at your tennis academy, they wouldn't have given you European-sourced eggs?
Give you a break.
Oh, of course not.
They got the American eggs.
My math teacher, Mrs. Long,
brought a fucking 18 pack of eggs to the class one day
that she bought a Costco.
I know that's untrue
because at your tennis academy,
the eggs come in packages of three,
like a sleeve of tennis balls.
Is that a real thing? I've never heard of that.
So did you keep your egg from cracking?
No.
It cracked.
Of course not.
How did you crack it?
You know me. I'm not a precise or careful man.
Wow.
I'm looking forward to dad bin, not cracking his raw egg sometime in the future.
You had to carry around the sack of flour.
I did. Yeah, sure did. Wow.
And you better believe that...
I guarantee you it did not shed an ounce of flour.
You know what's fucked up about a bag of flour?
Is a bag of flour will leak flour no matter how you care for it.
Yeah, you know what's fucked up about the egg thing?
It didn't have anything to do with like a health class
or anyone telling us about like what the point was.
I think it was for extra credit
and it wasn't related to anything.
Like there was no attempt to make it a teachable moment
about any specific phenomenon, W-slash-R-slash-T human biology.
That's too bad.
Cause that's what it should be. It should give you a great amount of fear. W. Slash R. Slash T. Human Biology. That's too bad.
Because that's what it should be.
It should give you a great amount of fear.
Yeah.
Not that getting anyone pregnant was ever a concern for me
at that age or in the many years that followed.
My flower was not going to leak.
Gold to cotton, the cotton, going to leak.
Back in Quarks, we get a scene of great paranoia for a possible auto appearance, but it is
on the heels of this that we are introduced to a character named Hagath.
This is my associate Hagath.
I do not know who you are yet, but I will.
Yeah, and Hagath is a real space Nazi type, a real Lord of War.
A real Colonel Patowski from Rambo 2.
Did you make this guy?
I did not.
I knew I'd seen him in things, but uh...
Oh my God, He is the greatest. He's got one speed and it is hate. It's totally evil.
You're my scream. There is no shame. I was picturing Sidig directing this guy just going bigger, more hateful. Stephen Berkoff is the actor who plays him and he really brings those Patowski vibes
to this performance.
It is great.
A real treat.
Yeah, he's also got a kind of a d'abo girl style lady with him.
My companion, Talora, who I don't think says one word in the entire episode.
I feel like they did this a little bit in TNG,
but they really do this a lot in Deep Space 9
where there is a consort escorting a guest actor
in an episode that gets very few if any lines
and is just there to look sexy.
Yeah, a little weird phenomenon.
Yeah, we are introduced to the idea of a hollow suite
being used as a sales floor,
which I think is a very interesting concept.
And it is because it represents a loophole
to the whole quark shouldn't sell arms on deep space nine
because are you really selling arms
if what you're doing is going to a
hollow suite and playing with fake arms and shooting it fake things there?
These are the finest hollow suites in the same time.
I believe it.
So, I guess the idea is that they're able to give a great deal of accuracy to the way
of the weapons perform.
They're able to program them to a high degree
of various similarities, so you can really test them.
And there are some fun scenes.
Like when they first take Haggoth in there,
he picks up a really cool looking blaster rifle
and shoots it at Quark and is delighted
that it pulls to the right right just like the real ones.
And then they start reminiscing Gala and Haggith about all of the arms deals they've done in the past
and selling to both sides of conflicts and all of the fun times they've had as merchants of death.
they've had as merchants of death. There's sort of a conflict triangle being set up here between Quark and Gala and Hagath,
because Quark is the last of the three to join in this little group of arms dealers, and
what Gala is doing is propping up quark into someone that Hagath can trust.
Hagath almost immediately is just the sort of manager that rules by fear instead of inspiration.
And so it very early on when Gala says to Hagath that it's all quark's idea that they're
selling arms on the hollus sweet, ordinarily that would feel like a moment of triumph.
Like Quark is the third on a team
and he's like a real team member at this point,
but what it really means is that Quark is now
and Hagath's vision for punishment should he ever slip up.
And it's like an elevation into danger.
And that, and one thing is lost on Quark.
Like the second Hagath leaves the room.
Quark is like, why the fuck did you tell him?
Yeah.
Like, and Quark wants to be the guy behind the guy.
And you know Quark's back has been against the wall
up until this point.
Like the 5% that he's gonna be making off these things
is the difference between some kind of debtors prison and living a rich
and remunerative life where he's let back into Frangie-Polite society and by the moon
and etc. etc.
The long goal here is that he becomes wealthy off of this, but the immediate concern is that
he is facing
ruination if this doesn't work out.
It's so on Quark's mind that very early on,
he sees Haggith about when he's gonna get paid.
Like what's the pay schedule gonna be here?
And Haggith, like wheels around in his office chair
and is like, you don't know this,
but your wages have actually been garnished
and going to your
debtors directly.
They were most appreciative.
And quarks like, no, no, no, no, I'm a bartender.
The only thing I garnish are drinks.
It's a really practical explanation because the way the Haggith puts it is that he needs
to work with people who are not subject to the leverage that someone who is in a great
amount of debt to someone else would have. And it's a lot like if you were ever to apply to work
in a casino or for a government job, for example, like this is the reason that a tax return is an
important document when you are running for or are president. Like you do not want evidence of any leverage over you
for any reason.
I never thought of that.
So Haggith is not a stranger to the idea
that Quark needs something for his hard work.
And so he gives him some valuable glass beads
to soften the blow.
Yeah, we're the fortune. Yeah.
Apparently.
And Quark is good at this, right?
Like we see some scenes of him like, you know,
making 2,000 rifle sales and some champagne
is toasted to his skills as a salesman.
He's got some talent.
He's selling arms and having fun.
But not everybody is having fun, Adam.
One of the people that's not having fun is Baby Yoshi.
Because Baby Yoshi has to go everywhere with Chifo Brian,
because if Kiko's not around,
Chifo Brian is the only bed that Yoshi is comfortable on.
There is a real first wave of friends who had kids
in my social group where like,
they're already on their second and even third kids,
many of them, but that first kid,
you know, got the bubble wrap treatment,
but you get that second kid.
And all of a sudden, they're going to bars
and rock concerts and stuff with them.
I like that this is the O'Brien second child
and this child gets to go play darts with Miles O'Brien.
Yeah. That's great.
Through this darts game we get our second scene of
O'Brien demonstrating the unwillingness of Yoshi to be
anywhere but in his arms and this time he's demonstrating it to
Bashir.
So it will eventually escalate to a medical condition.
But not before Quark gets some umox
from Haggith's girlfriend,
which I kind of thought they were setting up
to be like a situation where Haggith was gonna walk in on Quark
and feel betrayed by both Quark and the girlfriend.
But apparently not, that's not at all the arrangement between Hagath and this lady.
There are so many angles at which the fear is coming at Quark. I thought for sure this would be
one of those fear vectors. But maybe Hagath and this lady have kind of a non-exclusive thing.
Yeah. You know, she can, she can umox whoever she wants and that's fine.
Yeah, it's not a big deal.
He doesn't want to know the details, but he's perfectly happy for it.
I'd go have adventures.
Whether or not it's on the up and up with Haggith,
you never gonna want to get walked in on when you're experiencing umox
and Odo walks right in during.
Yeah.
I love the upside down camera.
Yeah.
Unless, on this moment, I hope I'm not interrupting anything.
That's big fun.
I mean, Alexander Siddig, we talk about this all the time.
I think, like in editing, you often do not want to be noticed
as a director, right?
Yeah.
If a move is being noticed, oftentimes it means there's something wrong.
You do see directors do things for attention,
which can really cut both ways, right?
Sometimes that's really welcome.
I think that Tarantino has a very specific style
and Wes Anderson has a very specific style and there are Wes Anderson has a very specific style, and like there are people
that that specificity grates on, and other people
that love it, you know.
Yeah, but in this episode specifically,
I think there were a couple of areas
where Alexander Siddick takes a shot
with an interesting perspective, and it works.
It's not super flashy, it's just different.
There's a scene, I don't remember what scene it is where you get a nice reflection of Quark's face
as an establishing shot and then a pan into him walking into frame. Stuff like that, good craft,
but not flashy craft. I wonder if this comes from being like,
if you're an actor on this show,
you're walking around these sets all the time
for years on end.
And one of the amazing things about the Deep Space Nine
sets is that they have ceilings,
which you don't really see a lot in television.
Like if you go on the set of like the police precinct office
on a police
procedural show, like what you will see is the four walls of the
of the office and then no ceiling because there's a grid up
there with lights clamped to it. And that is not how they did the
sets on deep space nine. Like they built the entire room with the
ceiling included and the lighting
in the ceiling is practical. That upside down shot where the camera pans from the ceiling
to upside down Odo is taking advantage of that. In a way that I feel like you might miss
if you're just a TV director coming in and getting your week.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
So Quark is hauled into the security office
and he's pretty confident that the charges
are not gonna stick.
None of these charges are gonna stick.
I haven't broken any laws.
He's kind of thrown this back in Otis' face.
Like I know I'm selling arms,
but no contraband is being brought under the station.
I'm just making arrangements.
Like there's no there there.
And Odo is not so sure, but a surprise trump card comes into play.
Let him go.
In the form of Kira and Cisco, and the reason is the Bajoran government has declared
Hagath a friend of the resistance due to his history of selling the resistance a bunch
of the arms that they used
to resist the Cardassian occupation.
This is an interesting point of difference from Lord of War, right?
Because Lord of War, the reason he gets to keep going
is like Oliver North wants to enable the arms trade to continue
because he can use it to his advantage sometimes.
Whereas, the major and malicious
really just giving this a pass as a thanks.
In this moment, I wondered if this was just a one pass thing
or if it was an in perpetuity type of pass.
Right.
Like does he get immunity forever?
I don't know, as a business person
want a little clarity on that.
Either way, Haggith doesn't seem to care other than celebrating the idea that Quark is free.
Yeah. He's kind of a bon vivant, you know? Like he's drinking brandy and explaining his
brilliant business mind. Like sometimes you don't sell weapons for a profit,
sometimes you sell them so that you can get a favor again
from those people later.
And there's some truth to that, I guess.
He's got the candle labra suite on DS9,
so you know, he's rolling pretty hard.
Yeah, except for that candle labra fell over
and all the candlesticks are bent.
Yeah.
That looks like a candlestick that they got from like
the beetle juice prop wear.
I'm a rei, come to a fore, a foree, can't do it for you.
What are you doing?
Come, what are you doing?
Come, what are you doing now?
I'm a rei, I'm a rei, I'm a rei.
I'm a be-car, I'm not be-car, I'm not be-car, I'm not be-car, I'm not be coward, I'm not a coward, I'm not a coward, I'm not a coward, I'm not a coward, exactly.
Because in this episode you can't ever be comfortable around Hagath, there is a ring at the
door and a person named Farak enters. Farak is an employee of Hagath and he is there to
grovel for some mistakes that he has made in... Forock also known as Pete R. Principle.
Right.
Yeah, and Haggith fires him in front of everyone.
And that's, I mean, this is like, management 101.
You never want to discipline an employee in front of other employees.
And that's how you know that Haggith is not a good manager.
Our relationship is terminated.
Yeah. Haggith is not a good manager. Our relationship is terminated. Yeah, a friend of a friend recently was told
that he had to let his entire team go.
And it was just a like his direct manager took him for a walk
and said like you've got to let all five of your employees
go in the next 60 minutes.
Oh my god.
And like because this person was human felt terrible about it. And like, because this person was human,
felt terrible about it and...
Yeah, that doesn't leave a lot of time to cry in between.
Yeah, and like I think that this,
as a contrast shows how much haggith is just,
is like totally sociopathic, you know?
Right.
Because the second Phyroch leaves, like it's like toasts andic, you know? Because the second Phyroch leaves,
like it's like toasts and laughs, you know?
I think the casting of this episode is really crucial
because I think Stephen Burkov
is in like the top 10% of faces that can pull this off
and make it believable.
What's fucked up is this is also an episode
with Lawrence Tierney in it.
And Lawrence Tierney is another example
of that type of face.
It's a total casting boom.
Yeah.
And I think Gala is well cast too
because he's like, he's the intermediate face
where like he can play really like lovable characters and super hateable characters.
He can be either the devil or the angel on the shoulder, depending.
Yeah. Gail is super tempting to Quirk because he's this lifeline,
but he's also come with some consequences, as illustrated by the next scene,
where Quirk is like polishing a glass at the bar, and Gail is like,
business always this good.
And Quark is like, yeah, like Starfleet has stopped patronizing my business
since I got into business with you.
It must be off limits.
It's something that Quark seems fairly affected by here.
Like there's a sadness to him.
Like more and more is enough, I think, to keep a bar operating.
For the long term, I think.
Yeah, Morn is like one max fund donor
that's contributing at the $250 a month level
to only your show.
Yeah, Morn is the platinum angel in the scenario or whatever.
Right.
You can tell you're a beloved regular
when you pass out from being over served at a bar and they don't get you a cap
Those are bar goals
Also gala casually mentions maybe more casually than he should
But also maybe in a way that tells you a lot about gala as a person that
Farak died in a freak warp core quote unquote accident,
but really Hagath had him killed.
Yeah.
Because he can't show up late for work
if you're working for Hagath.
Farak was living it up on rice
when he should have been closing deals.
Yeah.
I think that it would have been an interesting script choice
if Farak had shown some humanity maybe instead of just being a lazy
asshole. I think like it's not like Farrak never never didn't believe in
selling weapons of war. It's not an excuse but it's a reason if Farrak
were to be like look I took some time off to be with my lady on Ryza but for
whatever reason like the weather situation there
was all fucked up and there was a storm.
And the resort caught me a week
because the weather was so fucked up
and there was like an earthquake.
It was actually really weird for Ryza.
And that happened like two months ago,
but this was like the only weekend I could go back.
So I had to do it, you know?
Like I wasn't gonna give up a free week on Ryza.
You gotta take him up on that deal.
Yeah, so Gaelic confesses to Quirk
that he's thinking about taking a little step back
from the day-to-day operations of the business,
you know, live his life, hang out on his moon, et cetera.
I haven't seen a lot of evidence that Gaelic is
nose to the grindstone on this whole arms
dealing thing.
Right.
But he makes the case that Quark can have a larger percentage than five if he's willing
to kind of step up to a higher level of responsibility.
So that's tempting to Quark, I guess.
But this is all in the midst of his starfleet friends abandoning him, and that is further underlined
when he runs into Dax one morning at the repulmat
and sits down with his glass of snail juice
and she just will not even give him the time of day.
Why do I join you?
Actually, I do.
Yeah, it's more painful than a freeze out.
There's some real hostility there.
She's ripshit with him.
And I think I would be ripshit with so many that sat down with a glass of dirty snail
water with snail shells in it.
Don't yuck his yum.
That's not the problem here.
I'm fine with him liking that.
I'm just saying don't bring it around me when I'm trying to eat because it looks filthy.
There's floaters and that's nail juice.
That's nasty shit.
Quark tries to make the case for himself and the reasons that he has for his new line of work,
but Dax is not even trying to hear it.
RSVP the relationship.
Oh, we get five seconds of Bichir and O'Brien and the infirmary.
There's nothing I can do for you, Chief.
And then we're back with Haggith hosting a fancy dinner for the Regents of Palomar,
who we mentioned before is played by the great Lawrence Tierney.
A.K.A. Cyrus Redblock from TNG.
Yeah.
He's the gangster that got disappeared when he walked out of the holiday.
How would you like to direct your very first episode of Deep Space Nine? that got disappeared when he walked out of the holiday.
How would you like to direct your very first episode of Deep Space Nine
and get Lawrence Tierney as a very special guest?
Man.
What a guest.
Well, it's Tierney, he does great angry old man.
We had a funny guy with us in Korea,
Tal Gunner.
They blew his brains out all over the Pacific, but I feel like is
Even angrier because they put him in some loaf. Yeah, he's like I had to get up at 5 a.m. For this shit
I love that this episode had the good sense to oppose Lawrence Tierney and Steven Berkoff like you get them together in the same scene
That's what you want
I read that Lawrence Tierney was so popular on set that like,
you know, a lot of times in these productions, like you show up for the scenes that you're there to shoot,
and if you don't have a reason to be there, then fuck off, like, there's somewhere else. But like people were there for Lawrence Tierney, and that's great.
Wow. The deal with him is he's royalty. He's the regent of something. So they have to really like dot the
eyes and cross the tees correctly to deal with him. And
there's a scene right before he shows up where Quark is is
showing Gala and Hagath all the all the all the dishes that he's
going to prepare for the regent when he arrives. He convinced
his quark that that he's really pissed
about the preparations that have been made.
And then he's like, no, I'm just fucking with you, buddy.
And this is a, like, one of the few moments
where you get the idea that there is some humanity
in Haggoth because he's doing bits.
We had you going there, didn't we?
Oh, you hot up.
Bits aren't funny when death is on the line though, right?
Like it's sort of like the rule about doing bits on tips.
Less funny that way.
You know, one of the other aspects of humanity
injected into this scene is that,
and there's like three or four trays of food being held
by some people that we can barely see in the frame.
And the tray in the most foreground is positively shaking.
And it's because the actor holding the tray
has probably had to hold it up for like eight takes.
Did you notice that?
Yeah.
And it's covered in low.
Yeah.
Like including their hands.
It's so hard to do.
The hands have like, yeah.
And these are trays that have like neon lights in them.
Yeah.
So you know that they've snaked some power cables down their sleeves
in order to power these neon lights.
And just an uncomfortable,
thankless job as an extra to be in this much loaf,
holding something heavy with a power cable going down your sleeve for that long.
Yeah, under those lights, you've got to be sweating your ass off.
Just to smell that loaf afterwards.
Yeah, you probably want to throw the loaf away at that point.
But Cyrus Redblock, man.
Yeah, he wants to buy arms, not in quantities of the arms themselves,
but based on expected casualties.
What kind of casualties are you looking for?
$78 million.
We can help you though, but that's just the beginning.
That's not a way the people buy weapons, is it?
Yeah, I guess not.
His goal is an attack on a city that will wipe out 8 million instantly and then 20 million
more over the ensuing months.
And Quark is like 28 million.
Suddenly, I am concerned about the loss of life that this is all waiting to.
Right.
It is a scope that really makes him stop and think, but Gala is someone who
reframes that scope for him in the scene after, because Gala is like 28 million might
seem like a lot, but and then they step into like the looking window outside DS9 on the
promenade and he's like, but 28 million is like one of those many dots out there
in the star field.
It's the different ways of doing the math
on loss of life.
Right.
And like this is something that happens all the time
in real life.
Like it's perspective morality, right?
Right, it's kind of the trolley problem, right?
Like if you flip the switch, you're gonna kill one person and if you don't flip the
switch, you're going to, like, like, 10 people will die.
Do you sell arms to the trolley, or don't you?
Right.
So, I think Cork kind of leads Gail to believe that he's been persuaded by this reframing
of the issue.
But really, Quark is still quite troubled
and this is illustrated in the form of a nightmare.
Right, it's kind of a night before Christmas style dream
where all of the cast members are the ghosts
of a gun-running future.
You killed us all.
They're all dead.
Like, I think that they did a good job
like making this feel distinct
from a profit experience,
despite the fact that it's a very similar device.
It's like it wasn't necessarily like a grading effect.
Oh really, I got the vibe that it was a little bit
of a grade.
Huh.
I was watching this episode on my watch.
Morning, morning.
Morning.
Stinged sweet.
Morning, morning. Morning. Morning. More. More. More. Stay sweet. More.
More.
You need everybody.
More.
Have a time.
You know what, everybody is dying to find out at them
is how did they get baby Yoshi to stop crying.
If you're Miles O'Brien, you stick that baby
in the most dangerous place on the entire station.
The exploding bunker unops.
Yeah, they call it the pit.
And I feel like that might be the first time we've heard it referred to, like by name,
but yeah, the place where all of the sparks fly whenever anything more dangerous than
a ship coming through the wormhole happens is where baby Yoshi is the most comfortable.
So yeah, that's storyline.
It is this moment where Captain Cisco
decides to give O'Brien some paternity leave.
Forces it onto him even.
Yeah.
How magnanimous.
Yeah, thanks, dude.
Quark really wants to be friends with Judzia again and
tries to bring a gift to make peace in the form of a tango
game kit and
This does not satisfy her she basically tells them to get the fuck out of her apartment and so he has to hatch a plan to avoid being a party to the deaths of 28 million people.
And so the beef that the region has is with, I guess, his daughter who was given a planet
and decided to declare independence the second she got it.
I don't know how that one got past my mind goalie. I didn't
realize they were related. Why didn't they make that a bigger deal? Maybe am I misremembering it?
I think that makes the story far more interesting if it if true. Because the gambit that he puts together
is like he's he's he convinces he convinces Gala that he's got he's going to be playing both sides
against each other like oh yeah we're going to sell the we're going to sell the same WMD to both of them.
Then, we'll make twice as much money, even though we've given a 20% discount to the
one side because we're only delivering 17 million deaths.
There's some stuff about Hagath being dissatisfied with Quark's word here,
but he's got Gaelic convinced that this is actually a come-up in the offing. And then he
arranges for this lady and the regent to be in the same cargo bay at the same time, which
having seen a zillion episodes of Star Trek, I thought was going to be she and her father
like see each other for the first time in years and are persuaded to like bury the hatchet
and try and rebuild their relationship or something.
Oh man, that's sweet. It ends up that the cargo bay turns into a phaser fight that Quark has hustled himself
away from just in time for Odo to run past on the promenade.
And Quark got a nice little alibi.
He wasn't there.
I love how Quark dirty works this whole scene, right?
Because you kind of hear it after the fact, too, right?
Like you don't even experience it in the room.
It's not a hands-on-aid!
It's great.
Yeah, big fun.
And also, economical fun, too, because you don't have to shoot a phaser fight.
You don't have to shoot a phaser fight,
like it's as fun as a phaser fight in a lot of ways.
Yeah. Because, and I think crucially, because we don't really care that much about any of the a phaser fight, like it's as fun as a phaser fight in a lot of ways.
I think crucially, because we don't really care that much about any of the individuals involved
in the fight.
Yeah, that's true.
If you don't care why shoot it or show it, it makes a ton of sense.
Speaking of things that we don't care that much about, The baby Yoshi saga.
Warf enters Casa de O'Brien and in the least surprising thing to ever happen in Star
Trek history. Right on the heels of maybe the most surprising thing to happen in Star
Trek history. Right, O'Brien hands the baby to War, and of course the baby won't cry with Wharf, because that's hilarious.
Yeah.
Wharf really has a special relationship with the O'Brien children.
You know what I really liked about this scene?
Was Wharf showing regret for not seeing his son at that age?
Like he has a line of dial, like Wharf gets next to nothing to do in this episode.
That moment really worked for me.
Yeah, and I love that it was kind of met with deaf ears because
O'Brien had already passed out.
How seldom Worf offers an instant of vulnerability like this.
And he happens to when there is or no conscious adults to absorb it. Yeah.
Yeah. It would be fun if this were an ongoing thing where like,
we're if it's a person who needs to confide and does, but no one hears him. Yeah.
Yeah. The button on the episode begins in Cisco's office and it's Quark and Cisco discussing what has happened.
It appears as though most of the people in the cargo bay had died, but Hagath and Gala escaped alive.
The daughter died.
Yeah, and the region died too.
Yeah, but there was so much damage to the cargo bay that someone's gonna be on the hook for that and that person's gonna be quark
So the wage garnishment will continue and quark will have to pay back for the repairs in an installment plan
And then the final scene is him sort of patching his friendship with DAX UP and it occurred to me if he's on the hook to repair this cargo bay
And it occurred to me if he's on the hook to repair this cargo bay that the inciting incident of the episode his problem has not been solved in any way. How does he have money to play tongue-o here?
Yeah.
Do you think he's going into his own register to gamble?
Or is it like playing with pennies when you make a six-figure salary.
Like the amount he owes is so astronomical that...
That Latinum strips are insignificant?
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe.
Interesting conclusion to the ep, Ben.
I think the Stev Tails nicely into the question.
Did you like the episode?
You really want to do this here.
Now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it.
I don't know that I did. I really liked a lot of the characters in it.
Like, I think Gala delivers as a character that's been built up for a long time
and we finally get to see all of the that guy bad guys.
We get in this episode are really fun. And the kind of like emotional stakes of the evil acts
that Quirk has engaged in are interesting.
But maybe it's the B story really clinging
against the A story.
Or maybe it's just, I feel like I have Quirk's morality
fatigue at this point with the show where I kind of feel like they,
they have besmirched Quark and alternately built him back up so many times
that I'm a little tired of the game of that.
Yeah.
Like, you know what I would compare it to is the doctor on the reboot battle
star Galacticos series where like almost every single episode he gets some
ethical conundrum and then the lady in the red dress appears.
Oh, you're not talking about Doc Coddle.
You're talking about the main character guy, right?
Yeah, and like.
God, how did I fucking have that name cold what the fuck is
wrong with me? Yeah but main character guy yeah exactly is the best either of us
is going to do for the person we're talking like at a certain point you see
that that trick coming from a mile away and it stops being interesting yeah
yeah and it feels like a manipulation right and that stops being interesting. Yeah, yeah. And it feels like a manipulation.
Right, and that's sort of where I'm at with Quark.
Like give me a long Quark storyline
that spans episodes that has nothing to do with this
and I'm gonna be all yours.
My feelings on the episode are related to this
and your comments.
Like Deep Space Nine has been called the serialized Star Trek, but it's
a fucking lie. It really is, and this is an episode that proves it, because there are no
consequences for core care. I think it's insincere and wrong for Dax to be his friend at the
end of this episode. Odo oversaw the murder of three innocent people,
and when Kira found out, she said she was,
like at the end of that episode,
basically concluded with her not being sure
if they can be friends anymore after that.
What is Dax's deal at the end of this episode?
Like the entire episode were made to feel as though
Dax is sort of the conscience of the ep,
and she is the proxy for the rest of the crew.
She's the one pushing back on the bad things that Quark is doing.
And for her to forgive and invite him back into her life so easily,
forgives all the terrible things that Quark did in this episode.
And it's emblematic of what the show does over and over for Quark. Right, like the episode gets so preoccupied
with the fact that he saved 28 million lives
that it ignores the fact that he sold a lot of weapons
before that happened.
You don't get credit for saving 28 million lives
just for not killing them.
Like, hey, Ben, I just saved 28 million lives
by not killing 28 million people. Isn't that great? Wow. Yeah.
Congratulations. You're
You're incredible. You want to play Tango? Hey head to the max fun store right now and get our new t-shirt.
I just saved 28 million lives by not killing 28 million people. That's the same math that the show is doing and I just I
Don't think it's fair. Here's another thing I want to say is like this episode
really leans into the potential of what the Ferengi always were. This is what they should have been from the start. They should have been gun runners
They should have been more pirate-like in this way and this feels like a natural like hand and glove type of fit this type of story
and that there is no consequences for Quark.
At the end of it, I think it's wasted potential.
And it's not to say that I dislike the app.
I think it is well directed, good job,
by Alexander Siddick.
I think the story is fun.
I think the guest actors are great and fun to watch.
But.
It's a show runner level problem.
Yeah, I'm coming down on the show in general more than coming down on the episode
specifically and that's something that I want to be clear about.
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Drunk Shemota! Yeah, easy, dax. I don't know how you get over what she got over,
I don't know how you get over what she got over, but she did. It's fairly nonsensical to me.
Yeah.
My drink, Shimoda, is quark, and it is for that snail juice order that he places.
And I think it is so interesting.
Like, there's, like, one of the shorthands in filmmaking is for bad guy is this this dude eats gross shit or eats shit in a gross way
like the the
The regent in Lord of the Rings eating those tomatoes is something we've talked about a bunch of times
like it's it's off-putting and therefore you don't like him.
And the regent in this eats gross shit
as a way of bringing into full relief
what a bad dude he is.
Like, they don't rely on you hating him
just for wanting to kill 28 million people.
They also make him eat a bunch of gross food.
But Quark orders a sludgy glass with like murky brown
liquid and visible snail shells that he's taking quaffes from in a scene where Judzia is pissed
off with him in this episode. I feel like it is amazing that the episode doesn't make more of this being like symbolic
of his descent into evil.
And it just, it like, it really stuck out to me as like being a totally amazing production
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Well, it's a great opportunity to see
me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to
cosplay, to do pre and post-show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment.
Hey, let's make a pretty great name for a tour. Let's do it! The Share Your Embarrassment
tour is coming in August 2023, and we've got a bunch of dates in a lot of great places.
Go to GreatestGenTour.com to get more info. That's GreatestGenTour.com for dates and ticketing information for the Share Your Embarrassment Tour.
I'm Jordan Morris.
And I'm Jesse Thorne.
On Jordan Jesse Go, we make pure, delightful nonsense.
We were open awesome guests and bring them down to our level. We got stupid with Judy Greer.
My friend Molly and I call it having the spaceweards. Pat Noswald. Could I get a ball
rock burger and some air-gorn fries? Thank you. And Kumail Nanjiani. I've come back with cat
tooth brushes which is impossible to use. Come get stupider with us at MaximumFun.org.
Look your podcast apps are already open just pull it out. Give Jordan Jesse Go try. brushes, which is impossible to use, come get stupider with us at MaximumFun.org.
Look, your podcast apps are already open, just pull it out, give Jordan Jesse Goatry.
Being smart is hard, be dumb instead.
Oh, Raps, hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in line.
These clouds are really freaking me out.
I hate having to stand in line and boy, what do I, these giraffes do not smell good.
No, they do not, and they've such short nacks.
But I'm hearing we need to get on this.
We've got to get on the art.
It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity.
Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, are you Noah?
Yeah, I know we look like humans.
We're actually, we're podcasters.
We are podcasters, so it's different.
Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry?
We investigate spirituality,
claims of the paranormal, stuff like that.
And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end,
so seem like something for us to check out.
We would love to be on the boats.
We came two by two.
What do you think?
Ono Ross and Carrie, available on MaximumFun.org. Well, Ben, what episode are we going to watch on the next Greatest Generation and how?
Are we going to watch it?
Well, the next episode is season 5, episode 19, Ties of Blood and Water.
The imminent death of Kira's Cardassian father
rekindles painful memories of losing her real father.
So I'm gonna go to gach.biz slash game, fire up the game of buttholes.
The will of the prophets.
Right now we are on square 55 sand which right in between a
quarks bar and a looking at each other during episode. The looking at each other during
is ahead as is a space butthole that would take us all the way down to square 18 for another corks bar. So,
uh, I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone, Adam.
You're required to learn as you play. Roll.
Wait a second. That space but hole is out of range.
Oh, okay, well, it's in range now because I've rolled it too. Shula! Did I win?
Harvey!
Yeah.
I've jumped us over if you're looking at each other during
we're on square 57 and a regular old episode.
My favorite kind!
Well, that'll be next week on the greatest generation deep space 9.
The dependability of a regular old episode, Ben.
Love it.
Yeah.
Hey, I think that a lot of people that listen to this show are going to be excited about
the new Star Trek Picard series that's coming out.
And maybe don't know that our show, The Greatest Discovery, is going to be where we cover that show.
That's right.
So, I want to put people onto that.
We are already, we already have at least one episode out as of this recording of us reviewing
a series of comic books that they're putting out that tell some of the story in between Star Trek Nemesis and the beginning of Star Trek
Picard. And if you're reading those books or if you just want to you know
follow along with our review and prep for that show, get yourself subscribed to
the greatest discovery. It's available all the same places that the greatest
generation is available. It's basically the it's available all the same places that the greatest generation is available.
It's basically the greatest generation about the new CBS shows.
Like don't think it's something different, it's the same.
It's Dicks and Farts.
It's us.
Uh, having multiple shows means needing more support and I would encourage you if you're
a fan of what we do to go to maximum fund
outdoor slash donate I've been on the record before saying that it is not a donation because you're
getting something in return. You are paying for the ongoing production of the show and getting
a ton of bonus episodes at the same time. You are and if you've already got a subscription
consider getting one for a friend as a holiday gift.
What a nice gift.
Very thoughtful.
Hey, you got me a dick joke.
Just would I always want it.
It's the dick joke that keeps on coming.
Gotta give thanks for the many friends of DeSoto who helped make this show what it is.
Gotta give a shout out to our friend Bill Tilly at Bill Tilly 1973 on Twitter.
He of the official collectible trading cards
attached to every episode that we make of the greatest generation.
And our great great friend Adam Ragusia
who makes the theme music and a lot of the music beds and
things that you hear on the show. He's a great big YouTube celebrity far more
famous than we are now and he has a cooking channel over there on YouTube. Check
it out. Yeah I mean while we're talking about people who might not listen to
the show anymore. The goose has been busy. Yeah.
He doesn't answer my calls anymore.
Oh, straight to voicemail.
Can't even get in on his day planner these days.
The goose is so successful.
But yeah, thank you to everybody that tweets about the show.
It leaves us a nice review on Apple podcasts, et cetera.
Join all the social media groups. There's groups on pretty much any social media platform
you can think of and a wikia if you want to look into the origins of any of the runner jokes
on the show.
With that we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep
Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9 with daddy issues. You're really making this a dream to edit, Ben.
Thanks.
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