The Greatest Generation - Big Commander Energy (DS9 S3E9)

Episode Date: October 22, 2018

When the Federation’s most popular commander beams aboard DS9 for a little R&R, the crew believes he’ll be making the station his own personal Risa. But after he starts throwing the D around too aggressively, the most sensitive parts of the galaxy are in danger of being punished. Where can you get a dope-ass tamale? Is Cal Hudson’s true legacy sartorial? Do the Cardassians take a dump without a plan? It’s the episode that chooses the wrench!

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I'm a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I've been Harrison. Took a little pause before the 9 at Deep Space 9. Thank you for that, which deep space we were talking about. I like to insert a little pregnancy into my pauses. All of the great deep spaces. Yeah.

Adam, one thing that we talk about often when we get together, IRL, when we're on tour or just visiting with each other or whatever is what a refresher it can be after sometimes weeks apart to be with somebody that is as interested in doing bits on the other as as you and I are because you know we have through life interacting with people in a professional context sometimes with our wives, sometimes with other friends that don't want us to just try bits at them non-stop. It's tough when you do bit when it is not appropriate to do bit.

Yeah, and so I don't know if this is like a recurring segment or just a thing we're talking about today, but... We should do it. I don't know if this is like a recurring segment or just something we're talking about today, but... We should do it! We should drop in everything! Yeah, and it's basically when always doing bits goes bad. Oh, I do it! Bits, bits, bits! No matter what!

You're always doing bits, bits, bits! No matter what! You're always doing bits, bits! Bits! I was doing bits. Bad bit moment! Bad bit moment. The origin of the phrase always doing bits, of course, is a very painful memory for me that, you know, it,

it tells nicely with the like sort of semi embarrassed feeling that we sometimes talk about with regard to publicly being a fan of Star Trek, which is that after college, I had a several circumstances aligned in my life that I found myself hanging out with stand-up comedians quite often. And I was at a house party with a bunch of stand-up comedians standing around in a circle with everybody with a beer in their hand and having a chat with a group of stand-up comedians standing around in a circle with everybody with a beer in their hand and having a chat with a group of people. And I guess the structure of what I was saying to

these people came across as prepared material. And so one of them from across the circle said, Ben, you should be a stand-up. You're always doing bits. And, you know, I think he was busting my chops in a nice way, but it was very embarrassing to me to have been called on the carpet in that way. Well, Hannibal Burris doesn't pull any punches. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. He may actually have been at that party, like no joke. That's the kind of, like there are definitely people.

It's the level that you were partying at, wow. Well, the thing is, it didn't feel like a level at the time because nobody at this party was famous then, but some of the people that were at that party are now famous. Right. So I have a couple of examples of times when I was doing bits, like kind of in a knee jerk way that like so the

first one is when we were just on tour in Canada we had a great time in Canada yeah and one of the things that happens when you take a bunch of tour merch into Canada is that you have to declare it so I wrote down on my customs declaration form that I had the tour merch with me. You don't have the tour merch with you. I had the tour merch with me. So I wrote it down on my form. And at a certain point in the going through, you know, the gauntlet of guys, you have to show your passport to on the way out of the airport. I got sent right and you got sent left and I had to go explain why I ticked that box on the thing. Right.

And I was assuming that they were gonna toss my suitcase and look at everything and ask me a bunch of probing questions. I've seen your Canadian border guards reality show before, but the guy just asked me like, what, what we were doing, one of the most high stakes scenarios in which I'm asked to explain why, what the hell is going on? And it's like, I have a Star Trek podcast where we're

playing a couple of live shows. I have some posters, challenge coins, et cetera, in and amongst my luggage. And it was very nice about it. Nice more than it needed to be. And he said, this is sort of at each Portergarde's discretion. Technically, we can charge you some duty for the merchandise you're bringing into our country. But I'm not going to charge you that today. And every fiber of my being was devoted to preventing me from saying, thanks for not being a duty head.

All I do is it, it's, it's, as I left the customs area. And I fortunately managed to resist the urge. You should have rightfully been arrested, had you said something like that. Oh yeah, yeah. Comedy prison is where they should have sent you. So here's one where I actually committed the crime and should have been sent to Comedy prison.

There's a hamburger sandwich chain that is taking the United States by storm called Shake Shack. And there's one not terribly far from the therapist's office that I was going to downtown. And I just kind of made my, I would build my day around getting Shake Shack and then going to therapy. Hard to tell, which is more helpful, huh? Yeah, exactly. And I was putting in my order and the order was like a double shack burger. So a two patty cheeseburger, french fries and a strawberry milkshake. And she asked the lady, working the tail asked me if I wanted whipped cream on my milkshake.

And I said, no, I'm trying to watch my figure. All I do is bits, bits, bits. No matter what. And as the words were exiting my mouth, I was like I am such a bozo like how many times a day does somebody do this bit on her and yet Adam. She doubled over with laughter. She did full bend at the waist, like back away from the register

because her head would have hit it, laugh at that. Like I got such a big pop for that joke. And undeservedly also, that's great customer service by the Shake Shack. I know. Counter person. You did not deserve that. I didn't, I didn't.

I mean, it's like when I was a back waiter at a restaurant, I would occasionally ask people if they wanted me to box up their leftovers when I found a table full of people that had cleaned their plates. All I do is bits, bits, bits. No matter what. I didn't realize at the time what a hack I was. Do you want some help with that, Ben?

I mean, I realized later, I feel like I've grown somewhat, but apparently not enough. So I don't know. Do you have any recent examples of Times Square wanting to always do bits kind of backfired for you? Actually, this just happened a couple of hours ago. I told you this off mic, but I went to go turn in my badge and my laptop and my camera and a bunch of other stuff to the place where I worked for the last five years, having had my contract not renewed. And so I made the call, like they were like, hey, whenever you're in town, come drop it off, because that's I guess the level of seriousness they're treating the idea of me having a corporate

badge and a bunch of their material. They're like, yeah, I mean, whenever you're nearby, go ahead and drop in. Or whatever. Yeah, like, but anyway, I give them a call and I'm like, hey, I'm actually down here. We had just wrapped recording another hit episode of the friendly fire podcast. Boom, boom, boom. And I rolled up and I'm in the parking lot and I've got the camera bag and all the stuff laid out

outside of my car. The coworker comes up and he's like, hey, we've got some hard drives of yours. So there's the awkward exchange of things after a breakup. And I go, yeah, I was really happy to have pulled up to the workplace I'm not seeing like all of my clothes thrown out the top story window to the yard here And he looks at me like

What? Bits, bits, bits And I was like yeah, I thought about like holding a boom box over my head and playing you a Peter Gabriel song to take me back. Bits, bits, bits. And again, two swings, two misses, and I'm like, all right, well, thanks for meeting me. Like, you feel like, and this is a currency that we exchange all the time on this show, the currency of reference.

And this is a man of a certain age who I feel like watched movies in the 80s. He did not get these references at all to what I thought were pretty benign, like, break up metaphors. Yeah. Cheat just like, great guy, like lovely guy, not the guy who chose not to renew my contract, but he was like, yeah, cool. Great working with you, man. Like, you're gonna be missed. Like, sturdy handshake.

That was it. And I totally left that situation feeling like you, like, yeah, like, bit unwelcome. Yeah. Bad bit moment. Bad bit moment. And I think that the moral of the story, basically, like BITS UNWELCOME! Bad BIT MOMENT! Bad BIT MOMENT! And I think that the moral of the story basically is just that we're ruining each other for the rest of the world. Do you wanna re-enter the warm embrace of our podcast?

The place where it is safe to do BITS? I like this new segment! I hope we keep doing it! And who too? Hard to agree. Well, then speaking of innocent bystanders, I think there are several in the season 2 episode of Deep Space 9 called Defiant. Do you realize how many?

How many of these? No, of course you don't. Your major Kira, she is having a rough day, a very stressful day. DS9 is pushing its storage capacity apparently. And she's really slammed. She's slammed at work. She's taken work on from DAX and now from Bashir. She's got to go down to the infirmary and she kind of blows up at Bashir. You can't have a run about. You cannot get your medical supplies and I don't give a

damn about the colonization schedule. And he turns around and medical big dogs in a way that would really be satisfying for Dr. Crusher. Cause Dr. Crusher was a past master of this move. Captain Picard, you are not relieved of duty. I judge you to be disabled and mentally incapacitated. While there is a chain of command, I have a special place within, but also slightly outside of it,

where I'm gonna order you to chill the fuck out and there's nobody that can override that. A hot milk tawny, you're kidding. I feel disappointed that our perfect future is riddled with instances of people overworking. I know, yeah that's true. So, Kira is not in Starfleet and Kira is in a sort of capitalist society. So maybe that's always a symptom of capitalism in the conjecture of your Star Trek writer's room. I do also feel that overwork can many times be self-motivated, like that that's just a personality

type also. Sure. And it's plausible that Kira would be someone with that personality. Well, the prescription that Dr. Bashir prescribes Kira is that he takes her to Corks and puts a series of objects in front of her, one of which is a holo sweet key, which based on the last episode is kind of an attack, right? Yeah. Not good. Kind of a short memory there, Doc.

Yeah. It's kind of the fun version of the wrench belt stick decision from Goodwill Hunting, right? Well, the wrench is fucking, that's why. It's drink, hollow, sweet, gem-jestic, and gambling tokens. What would you pick of those things? I mean, one of the things about me that discussed you is my enjoyment of gambling, so you know I'm taking those tokens. I'm not judgmental of other people like in gambling.

I just don't like it. It's breathtaking how non-judgmental you are actually. I went, you're so non-judgmental that I judge myself for you. Hahaha. What? You were so cool about our time in Vegas, like every time I went to gamble and then you like disappeared to go have your own good time, I was like, oh, how I did bad, like we could have been spending time together.

No, you had a great time in Vegas and I also had a great time in Vegas. Good, great times. What would you have picked? See, I think I would put Hollow Sweet as one of my things and probably Blue Drink as the other. I like a Blue Drink and I would be very curious to try a hollow sweet at the very least, but Kira recently essentially had a hollow sweet involved sexual assault experience. And that is a totally fucked up thing for there to be in the cold open of the next episode.

Yeah, the proximity to that episode is offensive, really. It's fucked up. One thing that seems to be on offer here that is not on the table is actually... There's a fifth thing, Adam. It's next to the table, Ben, and it's leaning up against the wall. It looks like you've got your evening all planned. As it does. Hope you've got room for the wall. It looks like you've got your evening all planned. As it does.

Hope you've got room for the unexpected. It is one, one riker, William T, from all appearances. I had a smile as big as Will Rikers, just seeing him. Just utter joy to see the man back on screen. Seriously, just, just fills the frame with his charisma and you know draws a line under something that we've talked about quite a bit, which is meeting up with Kira Narees in a bar would be a very exciting thing for a gentleman to do. Yeah, and yet like if there's one lady in a bar that is too much of a match for Will Riker, it is Kira.

Yeah, yeah. This is being Riker on Hard Mode. This episode was so much fun to me. I just love Jonathan Freaks as a Riker. He's great. He's so fucking great. Very plausible backstory here. He's going to Rysa by way of DS9 and just dropping in. Did you hear that he built up three months of leave? And Dr. Crusher finally insisted that I take some of it. She nearly shoved me out of the airlock.

What are they gonna do on the D? What if the Borgs attack? Like, what then? There's a fair amount of that thing that I've always wanted to feel, which is like the idea of walking into a room and knowing that someone somewhere in that room is going holy shit, that's Adam Pranaka. Like several times in this episode, people are going holy shit, that's Will Riker,

The Will Riker. It made me think, like, there's a scene early on where it's Commander Riker and Commander Cisco in the same room. Yeah, and they kind of dropped the ranks, like it's a, it's called me Ben, call me Will. They have to do that, right? Yeah. Because I think everyone in that room knows that is the William Riker, and while commanders may be equal, like the commander of the D.

Yeah, big deal. Yeah. They also have like big commander energy appears to be a thing. Just based on this scene alone, like they're having such a fun time just like chopping it up with each other. Like Cisco's tossing the ball back and forth in his hands, like, they're talking about getting big paydays off court. You know where I think, uh, Riker's getting some of his energy bin.

It's the placement of his combat. Yeah. It looks a little lower than it was on TNG. He's got some cow Hudson energy. Yeah. I guess when they went to the squared off gold part of the con badge, right? Or proportionally new. You want to you want to put that like a tad bit lower than the oval shaped con badge. I mean, when when Jay Frakes is in the Starwagon, I think you probably popped in a couple VHS tapes of some DS9 to catch himself up.

Maybe those are the Calhuts and episodes. What are the other commanders visiting the station, Rockin' and Calhuts and is the answer to that question? He got to do your research. By reputation, everyone knows who Commander Riker is. He seems to know Major Kira. Yeah, at least by reputation. And he has a rep too.

Like the conversation between Cisco and Riker is cut against Dax and Kira having essentially like mid-work girl talk about the fact that Kira is a bit sprung off Riker. He's a warm, charming man. Dax is kind bit sprung off Riker. He's a warm, charming man. Dax is kind of sprung on him too. He's quite a doppelpair. Yeah, and they're not jealous of each other for that.

One thing that struck me about this scene though is that Kyra is just back at work. Like, did she just get an afternoon off? She was work to the bone. Why does she only get one afternoon off? Yeah, that doesn't seem right. It seems fucked up. It seems like she's spending her off time kicking it with Will Reiker. And I mean, for a variety of reasons, that sounds like as much of a fun time hang as anything that was put down on her table at Quarx, right? I think Reaker's got the jump-justic beat.

So after work, Kira is given him the walk around. They bump into each other on the promenade, he gets to get the grand tour. And he's particularly interested in the defiant. And so they go down to the defiant and this is a really fun little segment here, like the security to get onto the defiant. Like one thing I talked about in a recent episode is like why aren't we seeing more federation tech kind of grafted into the Cardassian architecture

of the station. Right. And this happens. The airlock to get onto the defiant has a very obviously like L-Cars enterprise-looking computer interface outside of it. And that's the thing you need to convince you're the right person to get into the defiant and it's backed up by the George Primin, Lieutenant Toast type, who just has a stand guard there. Get a little security toast back there. Yeah. Oh, touch a toast.

Will Riker, I mean, I'm gonna call him Will until he's not anymore. He's a character who is led around by his head a lot when he walks. And so you almost lose the idea of his paranoia here because he does look around a little sketchily in the moments leading up to his boarding the defiant that I think you would shrug off as like that's just how Will Riker walks around and looks at things. Yeah, they don't tip their hand in this episode that much. The first thing that happens when they get on the defiant is they bump into Chief O'Brien.

I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. Under some computer panel, wrenching on something and it gets up and it's like pretty happy to see the commander and gets the Chilly dust off from Ryker. It's so chilling. It's withering like you never see this character do this to anyone That's not a mortal enemy. Yeah, and this plays with expectations really well, right? Because you're expecting a great reunion between two

really well, right? Because you're expecting a great reunion between two beloved TNG characters. Right. And you so do not get that. I was really surprised that this was never explained or expanded upon or paid off in any way. It feels like so deeply hurtful that O'Brien should have brought it up at some point later as something that happened. Yeah, like my reaction to one of these is definitely what O'Brien's reaction is, which is just like, oh, bye. If I have an awkward interaction or somebody is like extremely mean or rude to me, I almost never come back over the top with more. I just kind of like shrink and disappear. to me, I almost never like come back over the top with more.

I just kind of like shrink and disappear. But then the next thing I do is go complain about is to everybody I know, you know? Like, oh, I beat him at fucking poker one time and he made me his lifelong enemy. Are you kidding me? You know, like whatever the thing is. The idea that it would be a Thomas Riker strategy

to whenever confronted by a familiar, to either like play it as, okay, cool, great to see, you gotta go like he does with DAX in the ops, or like go hard the other way, which is I don't wanna talk to you, you fucking asshole, the way he does with O'Brien, I feel like he's kind of running a script. Like, there's only a couple of ways

that this could go if I'm made. And so I need to like end these conversations quickly so I'm not found out. Well, like how perfect is it? Like, the person he is impersonating can plausibly be claimed to have been drunk the last time you saw him every single time, you know. Like he's telling stacks like, oh, that night was such a blur.

Yeah. It is great. Yeah. And because Tom Riker has access to ostensibly all of William Riker's logs and stuff, like this is research that I feel like head canon wise could have been done. Like he is utterly prepared for this impersonation. Yeah, like nothing that has happened so far makes us think this isn't Riker, even though like he big dogs,

Chief O'Brien and that, and that awful way. Even the moment that he phasers Kira, you're like, oh, okay, like do that. All right, Will Riker, like you're Will Riker, that you must have your reasons. Yeah, like, oh, fuck, is this gonna be an episode about how Kira is like actually bad and working for somebody bad

and starfully had to send somebody to dispatch her with extreme prejudice? That's what seven seasons of credibility does for you. Like, you're on Riker's side and they fucking manipulate you with that. In a great way. Only when the make-weez, make-weez. Beam over, do we realize that something bad is happening?

And he blows in a call to Ops and says, like, oh, there's a bad, some kind of bad engine thing happening on the defiant. I'm gonna get her away from the station so she doesn't take the habitat ring out. And you can thank me later. And they've staged direct this a little bit. They've got something steaming it up in the background of his FaceTime shot. And the second the defiant is pulled away from the station. It's

like shields up and goes to warp. So they are not able to beam anybody off of it. And it's a riker and a couple of mequees with an unconscious Kira and the most bristling with weapons ship in this sector, heading away at high warp. It's the beginning of one of my favorite storylines. The idea that a ship could be stolen. Yeah.

And driven away. away is so fun. And like the next thing that happens is that meeting with DuCott where it's, you know, it's just like the Russian ambassador meeting with the Secretary of State in red October ago. And like, don't you see like how inherently dangerous it is to have Starfleet and the Cardassians and the Make-We-Sand the Defiant out there just like Rubin, Rubin Paint, you know. That Hunfurred October comparison is so perfect, Ben. It's like Hunfurred October if Ramias was actually out to start the war, right? Right, yeah.

It's not a direct comparison, but a lot of the premises are similar. I mean, it remains to be seen if the Cardassians take a dump without a plan. This scene is interesting because this is the second time in a row that DuCats come to DS9 and just gotten his junk kicked in. Like, he's not on a good streak here because what Cisco lays on him is that the ship has been stolen. That's a big problem and this could be a war-making conflict. The Kardashians are so... They have so much guile, everything about ascending to a high rank in Cardassia is about performing this fealty to the state, but also working very much toward your own ends. And it has this interesting effect that they never believe Starfleet people and they're

just like, hey, there's a big problem here are all of the factors about the problem that we currently know. We would like to solve it with you. We would like to work together to solve it. They're like, what's your angle? What are you working toward? How is this a trick against me? That's really fun.

I like that that's always a problem that they go through and there's just no bridging that divide because it's a difference of culture, you know? Right, right. It's a really great scene and it's one of the crucial scenes and it's strange that Will or Tom Riker is not in it because do Cots making the case that, you know, no one is going to believe this story.

It's super far fetched. Like it's fucking hilarious. You're telling me a transporter accident made another riker and then like that's who's commanding this ship, fuck you. But Cisco is like, you know what, if collateral is what you need, like take me, take me with you to Cardassia Prime and we'll work this out in your war room. And to cats like, you don't understand, like I want to destroy the ship, I don't want to, I like, I want to destroy, I do not want to take and study. don't understand, like I wanna destroy the ship, I don't wanna, I wanna destroy, I do not want to take and study.

It's sort of like a Ripley and Aliens scenario. And they're on opposing sides of that argument too, but Cisco feels like by virtue of his presence there, he could do something actionable and save the ship. I mean, Cisco's first goal is to prevent this snowballing into a situation that kills a bunch of colonists or provokes a war. Like, if you can save the ship, that's cool,

but the main goal is to not let whatever horrible thing the monkey have planned actually go down. And until like, to really like underline how horrible this is gonna be, we get a shot of Riker peeling the sideburns of his beard off to reveal a really nasty mid 90s slash mirror universe goatee. He reaches full of the frame and pulls out just an astonishing amount of pubes. Tom Riker keeps it tight. I had to put these on just in case. I had to wear this mercen for our full believability. You don't understand, man, I had to get it on. Hahaha.

I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford. What are you doing, what are you doing? What are you doing now? I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford. I'm a be-guard, I'm a be-guard, I'm a be-guard, I'm a be real kid. I'm not a real kid. I'm not a real kid. Exactly. Karen is put in a really interesting position here, because like her natural affinity is always going to be for fuck with the Kardashians.

She is naturally politically aligned to your average make-wice in a lot of ways. And Tom Riker appeals to her resistance fighter experience to sort of like get in with her, which I think is really shrewd. You were a resistance fighter, you know that certain times you do things that you're not proud of to accomplish the mission. She does not respond to it well. You accomplished your mission, so now what? She has really come to a position of like there is a right and a wrong way to fight this

fight, and what you are doing is fucking wrong. It's RO and G. Kira is a nightmare as a hostage. You know? Yeah. Like Tom Riker just not know with whom he is fucking at this point. No. Yeah.

It's, it's really like akin to us underestimating a role. Larian. And you would think, like us, Tom Riker wouldn't have any, he doesn't know from Row Lairon. Only Will Riker knows what that's about. I mean, if your job involved in personating Will Riker, I suppose watching every episode of TNG would be part of his study, right?

I mean, we know that Will Raker is given to watching previous previously on TNG Reels. So, I mean, that's one thing they have in common. Yeah. I mean, everything is the same about them, right? Like epigenetically, they split five years ago, but otherwise they're identical. I mean, you can make a choice with your body here. Yeah. And Will Riker chooses to go full bush. Tom Riker, Tom Riker's a clean shavin' man.

Keeps that man's scape high and tight. Just a quick and easy number one on the guard. I mean, that's why when they wear a knuck-refeeling garment, Will Riker always has quite a bit more volume in that department. It goes a little bit uncommented on, but I think it's fucking great that one of the Make Weas that Beams aboard is from the TNG Make Weas episode that's Kalita, the lady. Oh, is that who that is? Yeah, like she's back from that Row Lair in episode. She looked really familiar to me, but I didn't look it up. That's really awesome.

Yeah, I mean the other guy, Tommal, is like a first timer, but it was cool to have that kind of continuity. I love it Tommali. I don't know if I've ever had a good tamale. What? I feel like the corn is too thick, man. Like, there's too much of that. The meal, it's so mealy.

Give me more of that stuff in. I don't think that there are that many good restaurants tamales. Like, tamales are really like a folk art. And properly, like what you want to, if you're buying a tamale out somewhere to eat, you want to be buying it out of like an igloo cooler from a lady that came into the bar that you're at

and she's got some dope ass tamales that she made. Yeah. Cause like the right way to make a tamale is like you get together with your family and like. You make a grip at tamale. Yeah, like and it's because it's a big like it's a huge process, you know, you got to make the mosa and you got to like like it's like a friend of Mexican descent from my childhood who invited me over to his house at Christmas time a couple couple of times, for the tamale making process.

And it's great. Yeah, it's like everybody's sitting around a big table and you got your corn husks and your polo masa and there's fillings and it's a huge process. Everybody takes part. Like you wind up going home with 400 tamales and then the freezer is like pack with them for the rest of the year.

And that's like, that's like properly done. But I will tend to agree that like in a restaurant, you're getting like a, they're too big for one thing. Like they're huge. Yeah, they're burrito sized. Yeah, that's not supposed to be right. Yeah, they're supposed to be like smaller than an apple mouse, you know? Like, they're little guys and they're good.

I want to be tamale friends with someone. That's the best. You get invited over for it and then yours is the kitchen that's not totally bombed out of the way. Yeah, yeah. You need to go home to a clean kitchen. It's like being a Gentile, like it gets invited to a Passover Seder. I get to go experience your culture for a night, but also this didn't impact me at all

from a mess standpoint. That's great. Yeah. So the defiance course is the Cardassian border, and that really heightens the tension, because... Warp. I mean, not nine, but let's say seven. Yeah Why warp seven? Why ever not nine? Why are they prescribing to the warp speed limit at this point if you're a terrorist you should observe no speed limit

Yeah, I guess they're like eco-terrorist. Maybe they're like well, we can't we can't contribute to Galactic global warming or whatever. I mean, I want to destroy the Cardassians, but I'm not a monster. So there's a big like war room set in Cardassia, and this is like a big room with a bunch of big screens, big board. There's an obsidian order lady there. Allow me, Georgia Juice, colonists, our observer from the obsidian order. She's kind of initially there to kind of lock it down from an operational security standpoint. Like Cisco being in the room means they need to keep their tactical readouts on a kind

of a limited basis so that he doesn't oversee something he shouldn't oversee. She's got that obsidian order stink on her, which makes her someone that even to cut kind of fears in an interesting way. Like when you've got to cut obeying the orders of someone else, you know, I mean, you know you're in rare, rare. Right. She also has kind of the, the kind of haircut

that Scott Adams would draw on a character in Dilbert. I thought she looked a lot like Tina Faye to me. Oh shit. Do you know who she is, Ben? Who is she? She is Trisha O'Neill. She played Captain Garrett in the Enterprise C episode. Whoa!

You can see it now, can't you? Damn, yeah. She looks so familiar to me, I had to look it up, but yeah, it's her, it's her under the loaf. Oh man, I'm just looking on the known for on MTV. Airwolf 1984. Yes. What was she in the airwolf?

Half-dask Bill Tilly. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Great actor. I like her work here. This is one of the scenes of many Ben where we get the pack magnification of the conflict instead of seeing torpedoes and phasers and ship to ship combat. And that's unfortunate.

Yeah. I mean, I guess this set was cost a lot to build. And I guess like having a bunch of extras and, and specifically paying freaks to come in and reprise this role. This is probably an expensive episode to do. So I guess I can kind of see why you cut back on the number of ship to ship combat shots. I was really upset by their absence,

but I thought about it a little bit longer been, and I was thinking about if you've got 44 minutes to do an app, it's not just cutting from the war room to the ship to ship combat. You need that transition, that intermediate scene between the war room and that shot, which means you got to go back to the defiant, take your 10 to 20 seconds there, then we see the exterior conflict, and then we cut back to the defiant. It takes a lot of time to do those sequences sequences and I wonder, it doesn't look like they

have the effects in the bag any way to do it, but I wonder if they, if they cut for time that that element of combat in order to keep the story moving. There is an efficiency in a three second cut to blitz on a screen. And there is a certain ratcheting of tension in that. I mean, they do that in red October. Like, what's this what's this ship over here off by the grand banks? You know, like, what's this guy doing? And, and that's exactly what they're doing here, right? They're looking, they're looking at the big board identifying ships and think saying like, oh, we're pretty sure this is the defiant and Cisco saying

like the readouts are close, but they're not a dead ringer. I think that they're trying to fool you into thinking that that's the defiant, well, in fact, the defiant is somewhere else. And this is just happening to trick you guys. Cisco does so well in this scene that Obsidian Order Carinas is like, oh, it's too bad We don't have anyone as competent as you around here and like kind of looks as scant at DuCat. Yeah One of the many ball shots that DuCat takes in this episode. I only wish we had someone with such keen tactical instincts That why did why are they defanging him in this way? Like does it feel good to tear down the bad guy?

I think it's that whatever happens to do cut in this episode does not undercut his danger as a character going forward. He's not gonna stop being a goal. We just need to see this so we can understand the carinas is the big dog on the scene, yes? Yeah, it's to establish her power, but it's also embarrassed to cut is like so like Mark O'Lamon knows how to play that so well. And we saw that a little bit in the in the the station is on lockdown

and what the security protocol episode like like him, him getting caught with his pants down and that, that episode was so funny and awesome that it's like, wow, like how can we write that into another thing? More, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more, This scene is basically there to illustrate that what the make-wee is doing with the Defiant is extremely destructive to Cardasset and Materiel. Like two different outposts get destroyed. And also to illustrate that the Defiant is using the cloaking device that's on board. They don't need a Romulan to come plug a USB key into the system to get it to work.

How about that? Yeah. Which, like, I love that that question was sort of posed to us in a previous episode, and it's not long after that they're following up on that. I also like that that Kira is not comfortable just staying in her quarters like a like a kept person. Like she goes up to the replicator and starts crossing some wires.

Yeah. She flings her sabote into the gearspin. Hence the word sabote. This distraction that she creates in her quarters gives us one of the great memories of TNG that you and I have are the many riker squints to commercial. God damn it, they give them a couple of those in this sip. Like just for nostalgia sake.

Like I was really grateful that they did that. It was nice to see the banger gets dropped in the ship and it's like I think I know, I think I know what's going on squint fade to black Amazing just gold just the best. This is like batting practice to him. Yeah, it's fucking it's fucking awesome Yeah, I guess whatever cure did Cosday fairly massive explosion in the room that they were keeping her in because she goes to a

pretty torn-up uniform look for the rest of the episode. She's got a lot of shoulder showing. For being proximate to an explosion, like she's not looking, her uniform took the brunt of it. Yeah, strangely. Yeah, I wondered, like, is there actually anything that could happen that would burn that much uniform away, but also leave the skin underneath, I wondered, like, is there actually anything that could happen that would burn that much uniform away, but also leave the skin underneath basically perfectly intact? I don't know. Or did they like spray one of those healing, you know, they point one of those healing beams at her. They put some head on on it.

Yeah, applied directly to the plasma burn. applied directly to the plasma burn. So this kind of stalls the defiant in space while they patch things up. And we cut to the war room where Cisco is like, why have they stopped? Like, why are they not just marauding around killing every target of opportunity they can find? And he's trying to puzzle through it and kind of gets distracted by Galdu Kott sitting there like bumming out about missing his son's 11th birthday.

And that's sad. Cisco tries to really connect with DuKott in this moment and hugely misses the mark. At that age, they never understand do they because he's trying to build a bridge between them and Say like man like we're too career-driven dude sometimes we miss those moments in our kids lives and Kids just don't understand and Goldie got's like no he understands

He understands that humans are killing cardacians and it will make him as racist as me eventually. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, asshole. Pretty dark. Yeah. How are you raising this kid, Golducot, Jesus? I mean, if DuCot is supposed to be Star Trek Hitler, then why spend any time trying to humanize him and why give

Cisco an opportunity to to like form a bond with him? Why not just have him rant about vegetarian food and move on from there? I love my characters being multifaceted and not being all the way good and all the way evil, but this trend of pussycatting to cut, I can't get with it right now. Evil them up a little bit. I mean, he's pretty evil saying he's raising his son to be a racist. And I think the scene is more about that thing we were talking about earlier where Cisco is always always coming from a perspective

of, like, I want to do the right thing, and I want us to build together toward mutual understanding, and the Kardashians are like a thousand percent distrustful of that kind of talking a thousand percent of the time. Yeah. We also get a pretty interesting dialogue between Tom and Kira about what he is doing here. And Kira comes from a standpoint of, I used to be a terrorist. Like, third thing on my resume is terrorist. First thing is, I used to wear my hair a little bit differently back then.

And you are, you know, like three days into your new job as terrorist and I have some thoughts. I don't think you're doing a great job. She's giving him the yearly job review. Yeah, yeah. Points where you're doing well and points where you could be improving. Needs improvement, like being an actual terrorist, you're a little soft. You're really not cut out for this, are you?

You're not using the defiant to kill every target of opportunity, you're not using it to destroy the most potential cardacity and material you can. And he's saying, no, no, this is a mission. We have a higher goal, a more, you know, like we're working strategically here. Time Rikers, like, what do you know about Kim Trails?

Because I know where they're coming from, man. You just don't get it. Like the look on Kira's face when Tom Riker lays this ship on on her is like what the fuck? You're gonna take this ship there on a hunch? It's a great moment. Like the reason he is there with the defiant and the information that the maquice are working with is that there is an element of the cardacian system building an invasion fleet to take back everything that they ceded to the federation in this peace treaty. Like there's just as much dislike of the peace treaty on the cardacian side as there is on the fed side, and they want to solve that problem,

and it's called the O'Rea's system. Tom Riker, Hans Kira, a book written by Cal Hudson, like called Dionetics or something. Like I really think you'll appreciate some of the ideas in this book. It's changed my life. Like these are all Cal Hudson style arguments,

and yet there's no references to Cal Hudson. I wish there were more references to Cal Hudson. I wish Cal Hudson was in this episode. Yeah. That would have been tough. You can't have low badge against low badge on that bridge, though. Do you think Cal Hudson would have had like higher make-wish rank than Tom Raker? Because Tom Raker is a lieutenant, right?

He's not actually a commander. No. So, so. Are those ranks transferable? Yeah, well that's a question, right? Like, do the make-wish honor the, like, what you have earned in your previous work experience? I would only wanna be a make-wish

if I was given a promotion in doing so. Like a lateral move minimum, but a promotion would be ideal. Yeah. Like I'm down for the cause or whatever, but I don't want to give it my salary and benefits. I mean, what are we really talking about here? So yeah, it's about this time that this starts to see seep out in the in the war room also. Like, Ducat is like, why are they heading

to the Arraya system? That's stupid. There's nothing there. And the Obsidian order, ladies, like. My sector is under direct control of the Obsidian order and you will not enter it You just let them go there if that's where they're going and don't fucking and don't try and cross me on this because I'm pissed

It's another quarter in the ball kicking machine for DuCai Because he's like Why? It's under the control of the obsidian order band Yeah and she's like he's's trying to pull rank and say, I have tactical command from the Central Command and the Central Command is the top thing, and she says, do whatever you want, but any ship you send to that system will be destroyed.

And that's the Obsidian Order's final word on that. You really want to do this? Here, now I'm okay, okay, let's do it, do it! and that's the obsidian artist's final word on that. You really want to do this here. Now I'm okay, okay, let's do it, do it! Back on the defiant, Kira is really manipulating Tom Riker and part of her argument feels like it could be grounds for an intermediate episode that we don't get. Like this idea that Tom Riker seeks to distinguish himself

from Will Riker has an axe to grind still was a guy who was unhappy in his post duplicate deployment. You know, after he was saved, they sent him to a ship and I guess, like they describe it really fun on the show. It's like... What he was there, he began to express certain political opinions. Opinions that supported the marquee and their goals. I wish we got a Tom Riker bottle episode where we could really figure out what's in his head because this idea that Kira in her brief time with Tom could see that he's a man who

resents the comparison and is willing to go on a suicide mission to distinguish himself fully from Will is like a super great call by Kira, but kind of an unearned bit of psychology. I think that the only thing that makes it work for me is the extent to which Commander Riker in the episode where the existence of Tom Riker is revealed felt exactly the same way. Like every time they interact, it is Commander Riker seeing only the parts of himself that he dislikes in Tom Riker and railing against that. And to put yourself in the shoes of the guy

that has to then go on living like with a lesser rank, doing less fun and cool shit all the time, you know, and just live in the shadow of the fucking first officer of the flagship for the rest of his life, despite for all intents and purposes being the same guy. I can see why he would have an extra grind and it would be pretty surprising if he didn't kind of present.

That character. It's like being co-host on a show with the great Benjamin R. Harrison. The beloved Benjamin R. Harrison. Oh, good. Sometimes it's hard to just be Adam Pranaka. You're describing how I feel, Adam. And for that, I hate you.

Ha ha ha ha. describing how I feel, Adam. And for that, I hate you. No, I mean, yeah, it's that comparing one self to the other thing always happens. Tom Riker in this scene doesn't really have an answer for that. I feel like Kira challenges him, Abelie, but he doesn't come down, like he does not admit it. He just sort of notes it. Yeah. So, what it comes down to is it's a lot like the hunt for red October where the dogs are running the prey to the hunters.

Yeah. And the fleet of like normal Kardashian military are chasing the defiant and a lot of ships are coming out of this secret star system where the secret invasion fleet is being developed and we finally do get to see some some ship to ship combat stuff. They they save their budget for this big finale. It's some pretty heavy ship. There are five ships out there ahead of you, but there may be 50 waiting there for all we know. And Cisco basically does some horse trading with DuCat on how we can arrange for this to resolve in a peaceful way that doesn't result in everybody dying. And the idea basically is like the defiant and the crew can go back to the Federation and

the make-wrees will stand trial there, but Riker will have to be turned over to the Cardassians. And that's the deal that they strike. Yeah, the idea that these sensor logs on Arias is of a value that supersedes the ship. Right, like the like what's incredible? What the defiant has discovered just by traveling to this star system is valuable enough to do cut in the central command in like the non obsidian order part of the Cardassian body

politic that that's as much a bargaining chip as anything else, like the lives, the ship, Kira, anything. Yeah, it's so major. As if you were you understand the value because it's hard to believe anything could be more valuable than the capture and tear down of the defiant. Right. And like, if the make we've got, like, they got some intelligence that there is an invasion

force being built and they're taking kind of a long shot. Like let's steal the nastiest worship we can steal and head over there and just like do as much damage as we can. At a certain point, Cisco and DuCott get on FaceTime with Tom Riker and kind of break this deal to him and he's, you know, he thinks it over a little bit and then accepts. I was kind of surprised that the rest of the Make Wee's crew weren't like, wait a second, we all kind of put our lot on the line to come do this.

This was kind of a suicide run for us. I think cutting deals right now is not really what we're here to do. Yeah, I mean they've spent the latter part of their careers avoiding a federation prison that they are now contractually obligated to go to now because of Tom Raker's decision. I think maybe the idea that like one of them would have just phased him and just like continued the mission is probably like the realistic version of them would have just facered him and just continued the mission, it was probably like the realistic version of what would happen. I feel like we've seen that in an episode before

where you think you're out of the woods, but there's someone who isn't on the same team. Yeah. And they attempt to ruin it at the end. Kill one thing escape. Now that's convincing for both. The other thing that I thought was a little sad about this, this last scene is like we're talking about like brand new like fresh off the production line, Cardiacin

ships coming out of the Orion system. And like they're talking about them right? They're going like this, they're not galore class. They're some other class. And they're like, these, these are like moving faster than this class has ever moved like they are really kicking ass right now and they are just the exact same cardassian ship model we've always seen which I think like I think if you're gonna say that they're a different class you got to make a different model yeah you know they. Yeah. And then you got the model. You can use it for a bunch of other Shit in the future, you know Yeah, it's not like the Kardashians are going anywhere

You think it's weird that the Kardashian ships look like the symbol for Kardashian in a way that no other alien race chooses to do I do think that's a little weird this idea of of what might or might not be going on in the Orion system is a question left medium answered I guess. I mean the ships sure prove that something Strange is happening there, but we don't get to know for sure because the button on the episode is the bridge of the defiant where Tom Riker makes Kira promise to give his make-wee's crew a fair trial. Like Kira's like, okay, we kind of have a ton of proof that they helped you steal this ship for many episodes. And then Kira says something really questionable.

And totally again, like, on regarded, she she says, we're gonna get you out of there before Tom Riker beams away. Like, what? Really? Was Tom Riker given the whole, like, you know, you got to transport yourself over to the Cardassian ship and you're gonna be put on trial and you're gonna go to prison,

but we're gonna give you the Star Trek 6 treatment and try to bust you out later. She does not take their make out for an opportunity to put a Viridian patch on his back. Boy, Tom Riker takes one for the road, huh? Yeah. Pretty great. He goes to his lays one on her. Like, lays one on her to the extent that when she goes and like plops herself down in

the captain seat, she isn't like pops herself down in the captain seat She isn't like fully like smoking a cigarette like was it good for you? If it's anyone besides Jonathan Frakes and a riker doing this, I feel like this would be fucked up But I think it's not because of the power of John Frakes' charisma and the cult of riker personality. He gets away with it, and it's not gross or lurid or whatever, like... I mean, I think it's also good that they establish

that she's like interested in him from that standpoint early on. They got to know each other. God, like such a plum. Like, he's so great. A lot of fun. Did you like the episode? I liked it a lot. I think the the flaws are fairly well laid bare by our episode. By our good and noble work. Yeah, it's just a nice comfortable bathrobe to put on after a hot shower to see Jonathan Friggs just fucking cutting it up, you know, like. It's like old times.

Like breaking girls' hearts and fucking whooping cardassian ass in this episode. Really fun. How about yourself, Adam? This is the first episode of Deep Space Nine so far that I feel like I could say I would rewatch over and over again in a way that I rewatched TNG. Wow. That's not to say that it's the best episode because I think many of the episodes that

you and I rewatch on TNG are not considered the best. But they are like that bathrobe you speak of. Like so comfortable and fun and good that they're just irresistible. And this is one of those irresistible episodes. And I think it's the first one on DS9 that I've seen that I could say that about. Like it is a little unfortunate that it's because of a character that does not belong there. But I think that just speaks to how indomitable a riker is in any episode and in any moment. He's just, whether it's Will or Tom,

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What's happened, Ann? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Redo! Drunk Shimoda! I so want to give Tom Riker like an honorary Shimoda. In the same way that we doubled up on Cal Hudson, like to pad the statistics for him. But there is a moment in this step

that is so Shimoda-esque. Yeah. It actually overpowers that feeling for me. It's a video Shimoda-pin. If you scrub to approximately 37 minutes and 40 seconds, there's a scene in the war room that depicts an uncomfortable moment between Cisco and DuCat, where there's a look

and then a look away and then they look at each other and then DuCott looks away. It is a hilarious 10 seconds of only facial acting. That I watched many times and got a kick out of every single time. I loved it. That is a lot of fun. So if it's not honorary Tom Riker, it's this.

But if we're keeping score, I think I would have to choose this one, unfortunately. Yeah. What do you got? Mine is Cisco. It's another scene in the Warner Room, a little earlier than this. Like Cisco is not necessarily like a rule follower,

but he does have a real sense of justice in his head. And the idea comes across that the obsidian order have kind of broken the rules in building a fleet. Like, they are not supposed to be building a fleet. They're not supposed to have ships at all. And at some point, like the, the fact that they are building ships becomes plain and Cisco is outrage. As though he has a stake in like the fucking way the Kardashians run their own government. Right. And I just thought it was so fun. like he's like smacking his hand against computer panels like they're not even supposed to be building ships and I love the idea that Cisco is like just so dedicated to the rules of the game in some ways

like not in others but in some ways is dedicated to the rules of the game for the extent that he is outraged that the obsidian order has built a fleet. I wonder if his outrage is strategic in such a way that it helps, to whatever degree, there is a rift between carinas and duquat, that only benefits Cisco, right? Yeah. I wonder if that's a way for him to amplify that.

He's kind of fanning the flames of the differences between them. Yeah, that's some head cannon. Yeah. I like that scene a lot though. It's very fun. I like it when every Brooks acts big, you know? He's good. Nobody's better than acting big than him. good. A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss.

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You want to figure out what app we're watching and how we will watch it? The next episode is season 3 episode 10 fascination described by one prominent internet streaming service in the following way. The Bajoran Gratitude Festival and annual celebration is about to get underway, and both Kira and O'Brien await the arrival of their loves. Another streaming platform describes it as a Bajorant celebration on the station serves as a as the backdrop for an epidemic of inexplicable romantic attractions among the crew is going to be one of those uh... naked now weps isn't it that's kind of what i'm anticipating at them

why is that a thing i don't know man someone someone saw the naked episodes and we're like these are so good. We gotta make him a regular thing. That person was wrong. Dead wrong. You're required to learn as you play. Roll.

Well then, we're on square 15, which as you've heard, is a plain Jane yet great episode of Star Trek, Cube Space 9. Just ahead, a couple squares ahead as a quark spar, and then several squares ahead of that is a naked now. Oh! I think that's the only thing in range. Couple squares beyond that is a wormhole that then takes us back down to the traveler square,

which is a square that moves the run about five spaces forward. I think you have the roll since it's a U-app. Okay, I have rolled a four. And that means we have gone one, two, three, four. We have jumped the Quarx bar, we are into square 19, just two squares away from that space butthole. And another great, great, regular episode for you and me. All right, man. Well, I'm looking forward to it.

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and he's pouring himself some of it, but it seeps down the sides of the glass, like it's just maple syrup. Oh, I mean, it's that. I think he might be drinking coke thick. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Listen, our supporters.