The Greatest Generation - Biker Pixie Dreamgirl (DS9 S7E12)

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka and it is its greatest generations 2020 election special. might be oh no you might be in line people tend to tune into this show to like to take a break from all that you might be in line right now looking for something to do with the next eight to 16 hours depending on where you're at depending on how suppressed votes are in your state. Yeah. Yeah, we, Ben, we, we famously, four years ago, were laughing all the way up to election day. Jokes, jokes by the, by the dozen, jokes by the fistful

were, were followed by very sad times. We fucked up. I wonder if you want to do it any differently this time around. Do you have any records? Instead of arrogant self-assuredness, I'm approaching this one with a little bit of humility. I feel like that was the, I mean, for you and me, arrogant self-assuredness is a totally new language. We should be taking on babble or something. Like, I don't know anything about that.

But that was one of the times where we had it. And I just, we're recording this episode many weeks ahead of when this will come out. I just put my ballot in the ballot box. Who even knows if there is an election? Yeah. That's what this recording. I mean, I've already voted. It's one of the exciting dangers of a scheduling runway. Yeah, I voted today too. I put it into a dropbox. I'm fairly certain was an authentic dropbox because that's how things are going now. You got to give some scrutiny to those drop boxes.

I know, it could just be a man inside a cardboard box painted to say election drop box. Yeah, but he's really just a guy that loves eating pieces of paper. Yeah. Yeah. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Yeah, one of the past eaters from our Kindred Garden class.

All groans up. Ha ha ha. Little Ralph Wiggum has a job in the California State Republican party. Yeah. A taste like Bernie. I want to thank all our friends at DeSoto for all they've done. I think we started a couple of fundraising aparatai in order to and the the support behind both of those has been great and inspiring. I mean, I think we've both done on our own

some things to help get out of the vote. And yes, it's and now we're just on the eve of it. It's it's gonna feel weird. I wonder if it was enough or I mean I would hate to have done too much, right? I don't think I've ever done too much of anything except drink I guess. Even then. It is. It's nerve-wracking. I'm more nervous since you brought this up than I was before. See, I was hoping we could be here for our friends of DeSoto to make them feel better. I do too. I mean, I think that's one thing I'm always gratified to hear from people when they say that we're providing a needed distraction from stuff. And now we're really not doing that.

Yeah, but I mean, it's also like probably the most important couple of days that we'll experience politically, maybe in our lifetimes. Yeah. So I really hope everyone is able to vote that can. And I hope that if you can, you get out there and do it and don't vote for the fascist piece of shit that is the incumbent. There's a very... There's a very...

Let's not advance the mirror universe any further. There's a fairly obvious choice to be made here. It couldn't be any easier, I think, for most of us. And it's just about getting out there and doing the thing. If enough people who feel the way we do just do it, then we won't have anything to worry about. It's a numbers game. Perhaps fitting that today's episode of Greatest Gen is on the topic of a mirror universe episode. Right. And dedicated to Jerome Bixby who was the original, he wrote mirror mirror for the original

series. Yeah. What a legacy. Just a leather legacy, a cat suit legacy, go tease agonizers. Yeah, he gave us so much. He really did. If you go to Hollywood Forever Cemetery, you'll his gravestone wrapped in latex with it like a very suggestive kind of lean against another gravestone. It's got exposed arms. We say this was love. Jerome Bixby certainly one of the great creative minds behind. I mean, he wasn't just a Star Trek writer. He was a science fiction writer, generally, and really well regarded. So, to him, the episode of Deep Space 9 is dedicated. And to a better future, hopefully, starting very soon, we dedicate this episode of the greatest generation. So why don't we get on into it, Ben, I've powdered my legs, I'm pulling on the tight leather pants of the Mirror universe,

and I'm ready to record. Yeah, I just never took mine off from the last time we recorded, because it just seemed like too much trouble. Hopefully we'll hear that in the mic. That's the thing about leather pants, they're seemed like too much trouble. Hopefully you won't hear that in the mic. That's the thing about leather pants. They're so loud, they're louder than you think. Yeah, and you're always having to explain it

because people think it's a fart and you're like, no, it's the pants. Right, right. Just trying to slide over this naggahide booth seat in this diner. It's incompatible with my pants. Yeah, leather on tucked leather. Never a good combination.

Let's get into it, Ben. It's Deep Space 9, Season 7, Episode 12. The Emperor's New Cloak. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you're done. This is... Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha And I was thinking a lot about this during the scene. Do you think it's easier as a bartender to have a crush on a customer or customers? Then it is for a customer to have a crush on a bartender or a barista or what have you. Like at any point, Quart could go up there and ask if they wanted any more popcorn shrimp or something.

It seems like you can do things, activities or interruptions that could make you feel better, could at least make you feel like you aren't just passively watching a love interest be smitten by Dr. Bashir. You could go up and say, uh, refill your drinks. What were you drinking again, Bashir? What was that? Just, you know, surface or reminder to, to Esri, what she's getting herself into.

I didn't think Esri and Bashir was going to be a thing. I thought she pretty strongly turned him down several episodes ago. I mean, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but we don't get much more than what Quark is paranoid might be happening in this episode because we leave the station rather swiftly. Quark is like looking at them, but he could clearly be eavesdropping. He's not.

He's just describing them physically to Odo. And Odo is like, do you want me to stick in the ear on their table? I could do it right now. I've become a drinkware before Quark. You know this. It would take nothing for me to do but I'm not going to do it for you because I hate you slash love you. We're two sides of the same coin quark but me helping you would ruin all of that. This kind of jealousy spell gets broken when rom enters the bar with some news about Grand Naga's Zek. He's 12 days late from a five-day work trip. This is, I don't know, when you're the leader of a world, I kind of feel like the moment a missing person becomes an emergency should be greater

than 12 days. Yeah, you don't want your... like what you envision is that they have to like release his schedule to the media and then, you know, explain when there are discrepancies and that schedule from what he actually does, you would think that it would have reached Quark's attention if the negas had been in Communicato with everyone for a week. Yeah, I mean, it really speaks to the kind of latitude a grand, negis gets, you know? Wouldn't it be nice to have that kind of privacy? Ha ha ha.

But I mean, I can't even imagine. I mean, even a single day without anyone up in your shit would be, I mean, I wouldn't even know what to do with that. Yeah, it would be, it would be so nice. Speaking of privacy, Adam, we get a pretty intimate scene with Quark and his prayer bust. He's bribing the celestial ex-checker? Blashet ex-checker, whose greed is it too? Where did the slips go? Because it's sort of like a piggy bank situation. He's sticking slips in, he's making prayers.

But then it's unclear where the slips are going. They must be going in there somewhere, but who comes and collects? Is it like the shrine at a certain restaurant where there's like food and cigarettes laid out? You know what I mean? I don't know. Somebody's gonna come get the food and cigarettes eventually, right?

I mean, you think? Otherwise, there'd just be a growing pile of food and cigarettes. That's nothing you wanted a restaurant. You wouldn't think that Ferengi would go in for a bribery scheme where the benefit can't be demonstrated directly, right? Right. So this was a weird scene, but yeah, he's praying for, you know, patrons with money to spend to keep coming to his bar and also by the way like if if you could keep Moving the ball down field with Esri that would be great to I don't know quark

I feel like you need to move your own ball. You gotta do something Yeah, this this don't just sit there. Yeah, but she's depending on that But she's depending on that. Speak of the devil and she will appear at him because he gets a ring on his doorbell. Come in. And it's like killer teen Esri on the other side. Yeah. She's got the late 90s blue eyeshadow. She's got the leather.

She's got a more aggressively pixie haircut happening. Kind of a biker pixie look. Biker pixie dream girl. She gets quirk up against a wall with a knife at his neck and he confesses his love and uses the name DAX, which she flips back in his face, which he interprets as, oh, we're doing role playing. I thought that that was like something you spice a relationship up with, but I see that we are launching our relationship with role play.

That's cool, that's totally cool. You're close, the knife, the aggressive attitude, it's our role playing. Call me Shmon. Except it's not that, it's not that at all. It's always awkward when one person is doing role-playing and the other person isn't. It's very humiliated.

Yeah. She know buts him. And she says that the the negus is in a great deal more troubled than he thinks. And she's got the honey stick to prove it. She plugs it into his computer and there's a vlog from Grand Nega Sec telling quirk that he's gone to the MU. And he will need a cloaking device to exchange for his freedom. He's kind of a prisoner over there except, you you know, I got to say, unlike a lot of prisoner

videos where you hold up the newspaper and you say you've been treated fairly by your captors or whatever, he seems fine. He seems just fine. Yeah, I mean, he is blinking in Morris code, also bring Beatles snuff. Yeah, you know, he's got to be jonesing for that Beatles snuff. Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, it's sweats in the mood swings, the nausea. Yeah, yeah, the next 24 hours are going to be the hardest 24 hours you've ever experienced,

but it's worth it to get him through this. No place, no method in something a cloaking device to the to anyone in the mirror universe seems just like a galactically bad idea, right? Doing business there seems extremely dumb. Yeah. It doesn't seem worth it at all. I mean, I can see where the temptation would come from, right? Like he recently was part of the give for angry women

the right to earn profit and conduct commerce movement, which doubled the market of Faringinar. And now he could do it again. He could double the market of the entire universe. The only reason to do business in the mirror universe would be if you've already extracted all the profit you could from the prime universe. And that doesn't seem even close to having happened. Yeah, it does not seem like the frangie have reached total market saturation. Does it? No. No, it does.

That's its own nightmare universe, I feel like. Quark and ROM really get to work on this plan. There's a Klingon Martak ship is parked outside and they've boarded it and so we cut from the exterior to the interior where they've emerged from the ship with a cloaking device and the great part about a cloaking device is that it itself is cloaked. And I thought they should have never decloaked this. I thought it should always be cloaked. Yeah.

I guess it's just that it's bumping around. It decloaks a tiny bit periodically. But I mean, the effect was good. And I thought that the gag was very funny. Like I thought that this was a great little scene. They have to, it's super heavy. They're complaining about how heavy it is. They have to put it down at one point.

It's great, like Max Gridentic and Armin Schimmerman really practiced this for a couple of days. Because it's hard to mime weight, especially when you need to coordinate your movements with someone else. Telling to my hernia. They do a great job with it. Yeah. And they almost get caught by Cisco and Martak.

The wheels could come off this at any moment. And you really expect Odo to be onto this in a way that he isn't. It's a scene where I think both Quark and Rom are lucky that they're Farengy because when Marthok and Cisco confront them, the question on their minds has to be, is this suspicious or are they just being Farengy? And they ultimately decide that they're just Farengy, and that's the thing that gives them cover. So they get this device to a cargo bay that has a transporter in it and they're getting ready to

beam to the mirror universe with mirror Esri and I guess she's just gonna take it initially but they have to hop on to the pad because Mar-Tok comes storming into the cargo bay. Mar-Tok, I'll have you hanging by your ears. Knowing what has happened, and it's a beam out just in the nick of time. I love how this shot is composed. It feels like Jurassic Park to me, and Mar-Tok is a T-Rex, like like stomping through a parking lot full of cars because he's just like going through the cargo and the cargo bay. How fun must it be to have all these like lightweight, unfilled, you know, rubber-made

bins full of nothing and just like tear ass through them. Mark. It's a great feeling. It's also one of those reset problems too where you're like, okay, we got one reset it and then like guys come in and stack everything up again. Yeah. Back to one. When I was in film school, we did a film that was set in a factory and the AD was a first

timer and he'd scheduled the entire shoot without thinking of the fact that we were making several different sets out of like a lot of the same boxes and shelving units. And so he'd like scheduled it for actor convenience, but what he didn't realize is that we had to break down and rebuild several sets like four or five times over the course of a seven day shoot. So we would like build a set up and like take a million photographs of it, shoot like a two-word dialogue scene and then break it down, build a different set, shoot a couple of scenes there, and then break it down and rebuild the first set, just hoping that it would match based on our photos. It was crazy. I was in a nightmare.

Yeah. I was in, I was a first AD exactly once. That was all the experience I needed to know that that was not a job I ever wanted again. It's a hard job, man. It's like all of the fiddly organizational stuff and also everyone's mad at you because you're writing their ass because the schedule is fucked. It's a special person that does it and I have the maximum amount of respect for anyone who is that I that is not my kind of temperament. I have huge admiration for the for the folks that do that work. Let me just say that we're not going to make our day if I'm the first day do

Yeah, don't you thought we were gonna get three pages today? No Yeah, but you know what everyone's gonna say really chill set They materialize in a very similar, you know speaking of similar similar sets. Adam, the two-ferengue are like, it didn't work. The only thing that changes is that Marthok isn't here. Right. It's big fun when Vic Fontaine storms into the room, John Woustylele with a couple of phasers and he's being chased by a busier who is pissed. So what do they call it? The alternate universe.

Dual-wheeled Vic Fontaine is a pretty rugged look. It doesn't make any fucking sense and I kind of like that the episode makes fun of the idea of this making sense. Several times, it sort of makes us rom. Yeah. Like the writers anticipated you and I would be making a podcast about this episode 20 something years later and going like, well, if Vic Fontaine is a hologram

in one universe and a real guy and the other, what does that mean? And just had rom, the dumbest guy in the show, be the one asking all those questions all through the episode. I thought you'd do it, Dad. We are! It's a moment that seems aimed at Star Trek convention Q&A portions,

like aggressively. Like this scene comes on TV and they ruin conventions for five years. Brutal. The shears so mad at Vic Fontaine that he shoots him dead. Yeah. And he looks corporeal. That looks like a real death. You think in the Mirror universe,

but shears a scat enthusiast? Can we ask that at a Star Trek convention? That's great. I don't know about you, but I like out Bashir better. They get thrown in the brig with Ezri and Captain Smiley and Mirror Bashir come down to gloat about this. They're calling Ezra a traitor because the cloaking device was intended for the Mirror Universe Warfare character, the Regent, and they consider that to be her betraying her species. I'm not a traitor. Smiley evokes the name of Jetsia Dax in this scene

and it would have kicked so much ass for her to be in this episode. Oh man. That's what disco would do. I feel like disco, no question, puts Terry Farrell in this episode. Yeah, but I feel like also the producers of Disco wouldn't have burned the bridge. Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. So they would have that opportunity. Yeah, I mean, they only had a toxic workplace for a season what? Yeah, right. And they were like, oh, that's not popular anymore. Okay, we'll change. Yeah.

Yeah. O'Brien proposes... I'd change, I mean, fire the people that we're talking to. Yeah. Yeah. O'Brien proposes. I'd like to change. I mean, fire the people that were talking. Yeah. O'Brien sees this as a pretty simple choice for the gang and the brig. You can either go home where you came from, or you can rescue Zeck without the cloaking device. Either way, the cloaking device stays. Right. And at this moment in time, I thought, what has zek ever done for ROM and Clark? And I'm just going to stick a pin in that question because I thought, I thought whoever wrote this episode really knew that that was going to be an incisive question to ask right up front and it needed an answer.

Speaking of Zach, we get a pretty fun scene with intendant Kira locked up with him, umoxing those lobes, but then like getting the sense that there may not be a cloaking device on its way, like there's a risk that whatever his plan is might fall through. And she wrenches the hell out of that loaf. If Cork and Ram don't screw things up. I feel like Zach is the kind of person that when he goes to the salon to get a pedicure, the person puts on gloves and maybe doubles them up.

And when I watched this scene, I was like, I don't think Zach would be insulted if Kira put on a couple of gloves before digging in there. Yeah. Those ears looked gnarly. It's a real mess. I was really impressed with how durable the loaf is. When she grips that ear, that's like, she's really kung fu grips it, and it doesn't rip or seem to, like you never see them touching loaf on these shrews,

and I guess I've always assumed because of that that the loaf must be pretty delicate. I guess it's not. I wonder how much more expensive, rubberized action figures are than plastic ones, because God, if there's a zek action figure, and I think we're sure that there is, like why aren't his big floppy Dumbo ears soft and pliable? Yeah, why not? Kenner. It's clear from this scene.

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Quark tells her That it makes his little sense to him as it does to her something something obligation Yeah, he's like, shut up. Convention question, ask her. This is like, I feel like this is an episode that drops moments like this repeatedly. It began with for some reason, Vic Fontaine. It continues here.

And then it continues on in a few other scenes down the road that this is an episode teaching you how to watch it. And it's saying, don't take me seriously. Yeah, this is a fun silly episode and it's not that joky, but it is like light feeling. It's both light and dark, because it's so dark. Yeah, how do they do it? Scary, isn't it?

There are a lot of scenes in this episode where Adora opens and we hear some gunfire out in the hallway and then a surprising character comes in. And in this scene, that character is Brunt. You're kidding me, right? I feel like it's been four, maybe even five episodes since we saw Jeffrey Comes. Always fun to see him. This is like a, this is a very mirror universe edition of Brunt because he has He's got a heart. He's got a conscience you two must be hungry. I've got food and great way before you want to ship a tortured conscience I might even say is there to rescue them. I

Love seeing this performance gear out of Jeffrey Cums. It's a gear you know he has Yeah, he so rarely is able to express on this show among his his Miriam characters, you know. His Miriam characters, yeah. They're a Miriam of them. I'm bringing that back. We're making that greatest Jen cannon. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and Debra instead of plethora, right? They make their escape in a forangi shuttle. Brunt has made some fried tube grubs that Rama is snacking on and trying to wrap his mind around how the mirror universe works.

If up is down and left is right, shouldn't these two ribs be poisonous? But Brent is nice. Why is the A button on the left side instead of the right? Why is the analog stick directly across when it should be up into the left? There's a lot of questions, and nobody likes it. Long doesn't even understand his own universe.

So sticking him in the Mirror universe is just totally confounding. Yeah, totally. Brunt is one of a parade of Ferengy that have a major crush on Mary Universe Ezri. And when she and Ram go off to take a nap before the rest of their adventure, he confesses this to Quark. And Quark's like, well, why aren't you doing anything about it, and they both make eye contact with the camera for a moment.

And then Brunt says something about, she's very particular about the men she'll date. It seems pretty hurtful. They're both Farengy. Measery doesn't date Farengy. So what would seem on the bridge of Wurf's ship, he's trying beetle snuff. And he loves it. It clears those sinuses right out. Both the Alliance and the rebellion have a pretty well-funded campaign against beetle snuff, beetle snuff, not even once. The commercial say, but that doesn't stop war.

Yeah, it shows it shows a normal person on the left and then a foreign guy on the right Yeah Your teeth get all sharp your ears get huge your skin turns this gross orange color Yeah Pretty bad wrinkly ass nose Garrick in this universe is is continuing his worm tongue routine versus is continuing his worm tongue routine. Really, really smarmy, really in Worf's ear about things.

The guy behind the guy. Or aspiring to be that. I mean, he wants to be the guy behind the guy. Yeah, he just can't get out of his own way. He also wants to be the guy behind Intentant Cure with a knife in her back. It's taken us over two years to track down that treacherous wench. He wants worse permission to do away with her, but warf is like is the type of guy that will keep somebody locked up.

If he thinks, you know, he's like, he's like a, he's a prisoner harder. He, he can come up with potential future uses of this junk that he has just lying around everywhere. Yeah. We bounce around between the cruiser and the shuttle in fairly rapid succession here. It seems like these are two opposing forces that as they get closer, those on the Furnuckian shuttle are questioning the reasons for doing this crazy plan. Quark is questioning its logic because like everyone else,

like the characters on the show and the people watching the episode, this is a plan that just doesn't hang together. Long odds on this one, but they pull up, they're coming into close contact with the regent ship. We see Wharf trying on some, some like knuckle duster, We see Wharf trying on some, like, knuckle duster, kind of fingerless gloves on his bridge, and he has, like, a subordinate come over to take a punch to the face, to see how they work. I really got survivors vibes from Wharf's review of the knuckle dusters. Well, what do you think, Mr. Wharf?

Good to you. Nice fit. God, the first time you put on punching gloves and get that first punch in, so nice, but then they never feel quite the same after you wash them. Yeah, yeah. It's like new socks, you know, like that first time you wear them is great,

but they'll never be like that again. I always said if I were ever able to be super wealthy, I'd punch a guy in the face with new gloves every day. Yeah, this is one of the many reasons that the wealthy are destroying the environment. There's throwing so many gloves into the Pacific garbage patch. Yeah. All the studded gloves clogging our waterways. It's a real shame. So the gang beams over to the cruiser

with the cloaking device. And like, there isn't even any tension in the moment because immediately it's revealed to be a double cross. Uh oh. You're not going to give us the nega, sorry. Mezuri is on Mirakirah's side of things and we know this because they have a smooch in front of everyone. And in 1998, whenever you have two women kissing, it is a scandal, right?

Yeah. Mezuri's very particular about the kind of men she dates. They have to be women. Right. But, you know, now would be a great time to just go ahead and kill Quark and Rom because Wurf has what he needs. Right. What reason is there to keep him alive? No. Instead of killing them, they're going to be locked into a different brick.

It's just one brick to another, this whole damn episode. Yeah. And this is where they come back into contact with Zach. They're beloved, Nagas, they've finally been reunited. You're not gonna tell your mother about the intention of me, are you? He tells them the backstory for how he ended up here.

Turns out that Ram left the plans for an interdimensional transporter just laying around, like Ram would do. And the negus took them, made the little beer can transporter that we've seen from time to time, the device that takes you between dimensions. He made one for himself and then he went. It takes you between dimensions and it enables you to have a chicken sitting straight up

on your grill. The interdimensional transporter releases some steam into the carcass and that helps keep the meat moist. Yes, the interdimensional cavity of the chicken. Yeah. Yeah, Zach is doing that thing where he like betrayed Ram's trust, but is acting like it was Ram's fault that he did that. Like, I'm a scorpion.

Of course, I stung you on the back. Ram the frog. You're an idiot. You live to be taken advantage of. Right. So yeah, he had this whole scheme about opening up the Mirror Universe as a new market. Much, I mean, it's very similar to opening up the G-Quad as a new market. It's the same, this is the same, for Enky Averis that unwittingly stirs up a hornet's nest kind of shit. And they agree at the end of this scene. They need to figure out how to break out of this space jail, which seems like a pretty

far-fetched idea at this point. It seems as though in order to escape, they're going to need help from the outside and everyone outside the break is on Worf's team. Except to a certain degree. Except for Brent, who has just got a real soft spot in his heart for Quark and Rom. He thinks they deserve better. Brunt's the wild car. And it's Brent who tries to convince Mezry to get Quark and rom freed. Uh, he doesn't get very far in his convincing

before Kira puts a knife through him for the suggestion. Yeah. And it's a real turnoff for Mezry. She doesn't like to see this. She was partner's, it's brunt. Yeah. That probably limited her profitering potential or something. Yeah, RSVP Brunt.

So they have a bit of a disagreement. Kira wants Mezri to clean up the dead body of Brunt and Mezri flips that shit right back at her, which, you know, the intended cure is always delighted by civility being kind of spicy with her. So, she goes over pretty well. She's not afraid of anyone, she. Not even me.

I mean, ordinarily I would agree with Kira. Like, if one person cooks the other person cleans, that's only being fair. Right, unless you didn't ask that person to cook and then cooking kind of like actually fuck you shit up in a big way. Put another way, uh, me every night. So you're familiar with this dynamic. Right. If you had forgotten

about smiley and Bashir up until this point, uh, you are reminded that they are in control of the little D. Yes, they are on their way. They're inbound. And this is great because Regent Wurf has got this new cloaking device and he's excited to try it out, but it's not working yet. Derek sort of sniveling in the back corner with an iPad and a bunch of klingons is kind of nervous about the fact that it's not working, but this actually is great for ramen quirk because it gives ROM a bit of leverage because he actually does know how to set this thing up.

ROM thinks it's a leverage, but he's never left the ball-kicking machine and he just repeatedly sticks quarters and it expecting a different result. Because he goes up there and he fixes the cloaking device and he's like, cool, so we have a deal to get ourselves freed, right? No. That's not the deal. You're still in the ball-kicking machine. You got to do the bad guy in speed where you have like a device that can disable the cloak at any moment until they beam you off the ship. See I'm in charge here.

I drop this stick and they pick your friend up with a sponge. Did you get the sense that it was wrong that sabotaged the the machine though? What was that somebody else? Yes. I think Ram even said it. Ram said he threw his sabote into the gears. Hence the word sabote. It sort of seemed to me like he was claiming credit for that,

but I didn't totally believe that he could or would, you know. Ram is very specifically smart and capable in a way that he could or would, you know. Rahm is very specifically smart and capable in a way that I have a hard time believing that he would be cunning enough to pull this off. Yeah, exactly. Well, no, I mean, cunning enough to take the credit for something that someone else did. I actually do believe that he sabotaged the thing.

Oh. But I don't think he's playing three-dimensional chess or even two-dimensional chess. I think linear chess is that one-dimensional chess? Yeah. Yeah. The pieces are very flat. Yeah, so they're about to get like hypospraed

with some kind of super painful virus that boils or organs by Garek when the Sabo grind the gears and the, it like knocks out power all over the ship, right? It doesn't just knock out the cloak. So this leads to a little bit of a scuffle. There's bangers getting dropped. There's combat taking place. Garek winds up getting a hyposprae on him.

This was the check of virus seen that I didn't see coming. I was actually very surprised that Eric dies here. When I looked around at the group that that Eric was holding up, I was like, I don't like Mayherdew's chances, what a bit. I think we're gonna see that guy's gut spoil and it's gonna be super gross.

I thought we were gonna see some gut spoil to be honest. I was pretty surprised that they didn't even bother implying that. They just, he just like falls down out of frame and we don't even hear him like yelling or anything. W slash R slash T gut boiling. It's all tell and no show. Yeah.

Very disappointing. Sad. Morning, morning. Morning. Steve, sweet. Morning. Morning. Morning. Steve, here, buddy.

Morning. Stop. Have a time. So on the little D, there's a growing anxiety because they haven't picked... They're there to look for the Ferengy ship and they haven't picked it up yet. But what they also don't know is that they're being tailed by the regent ship. It's one of those like unmarked crown victorious behind you that you don't really suspect as a cop car that actually is. That's the situation on the little B. And when that thing declokes, it is like slam on the brakes to get yourself under the speed limit time.

Right, which is a dead giveaway, as they said. Right. Yeah, you got to let off the gas, or maybe feather in a little bit of emergency brake. Yeah. If you've got that kind of car. The cloaking device sabotage disables the the Klingon ship though, and the little D is just nailing it. It's a rain of phaser fire coming down on the ship.

It's like a contra a bad guy at the end. Like you like just just pounding it with the spread gun. Yeah, how to fuck you jump around that many fireballs. It's impossible. Worf's temper tantrum here is pretty great. I knew I should have killed those two for engage the moment they came aboard. Bashir and Smiley get on the FaceTime and suggest an unconditional surrender and a prepare to be boarded and Worf has to admit he is beaten. This isn't the first time that Worf has lost and lost a big in the mirror universe, right? I feel like this is kind of a thing Even the mirror universe version of Warf the stock is low He's kind of a doctor cloth figure in the mirror universe like he always has these grand plans

Yeah, he never actually work. He is that shitty cat. That's always bugging at the camera What he needs is someone he can trust someone with a mind like a steel trap who can remember everything because that's the role I play in this universe a photographic memory completely free of the A photographic memory, completely free of lobotomized brain matter. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame, Worf doesn't have an ally of that kind. You just can't get good help in the Mirror Universe. Yeah, like the attendance slinks off the second she sees that he's beat.

She goes and has a little standoff with Esri in the hallways. Like this is such a moment of, I feel like this happens in every Mirror Universe episode. Like we reach a climax and a confrontation between characters and the big takeaway is one of the characters you thought was bad having some seed of conscience moment. Yeah, like since when? Meaning that there were never really any mistakes at all.

Yeah. In the 40 minutes that came before. You just know that they like originally turned that script in with Kirer getting iced by Esri at the end of the episode. And yeah. And what's his nose was like, no, I want to I want to leave the opportunity open that we get to get Kira back in the weather pants at least one more time before the where the series is over. I actually have a spec script for a DS9 movie set in the Mirror universe, and we've just got to leave that option open. So the button on the episode is that Zach has learned nothing because there is still money to be made in the Mirror universe.

This adventure, this failed adventure, didn't teach him a goddamn thing. Yeah. And he plans on coming back. Certain kinds of powerful men that don't learn lessons. And Zach is one of them. They're sort of a lesbian slide whistle to theme when Mirror Universe Lita comes out and suggests debriefing Mezry.

Who... Hi. Can you imagine a costume designer working with Chase Mazrerson going like now in the mirror universe, you're going to be wearing an even lower cut dress? Try to imagine this. She said, she said, I didn't think that the scientists had made that possible yet. Yeah. And it looks like a mirror-leeda might be

Ezri's type so they go away together so that Ezri can be deep-reafed in a manner of speaking Green, green, green, wink, wink, not your not-cinimal. Did you like the episode Adam? the Mirror universe is like, is the ultimate cheat code for writing a show and it short circuits greatest gen, really, as a way to criticize it in any way. Yeah.

It's the Sabo in our show gears. So of course, I can't be the person that says they didn't like it. This episode, like every mirror episode, is insane and doesn't make any sense and doesn't hang together logically in any way. But yeah, it's super fun and that's all it's supposed to be. Yeah. It actually had some, some like authentically funny jokes, which I didn't see coming, you know.

I don't like the cheap sexual politics of it, but that's just like 98. And that's not to say that I forgive it for being 98, but also like, it's I-rolley, you know, whatever. That's some cheap heat. It's cheap heat. We don't need it, but I'd say that if you're gonna write a episode of Deep Space 9 that has kind of mad high jinks and good comedy at it, that's something that they achieve on a fairly rare basis. And I feel like season 7 has actually been really good for comedy on this show. Yeah, yeah. Surprisingly. The funniest season of Deep Space Nine.

Is this it for the Mirror Universe in Deep Space Nine? Do they go back between now and the series finale? I can't do that right? I don't know the answer to that. I feel like they have a couple more like eight episode arcs on the way. So probably be pretty hard to get a mirror universe thing snuck in when they're trying to tie as many threads together as that implies. Was there mirror universe in Voyager? Well, maybe there isn't, because it wasn't the comic book that we were in. The first mirror universe Voyager thing.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so. In this universe, the case on are super charitable. It's so bizarre that Star Trek Discovery saw these mere universe episodes and went like, we can do something with that. And to their credit, they did did yeah, they fucking did it. What do you fun? Yeah, well whenever we look at our pile of priority one messages I think we can do something with that So let's let's head over there and see what we got been let's do it, but Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel

Need a supplement on star fleet coming in on secured channel. Need a supplement? A supplement? A supplement? A supplement. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, we have a couple of priority one messages here.

The first one is from Anonymous, and it's two band in Adam. Oh, no. Are we going to have guys in V for vendetta masks? Protesting outside of our recording studios. Please don't doxus If I get doxed, I'm just not gonna do the show anymore, so don't do that. Wow I guess I'll just like train like mimic your voice for the other half of it. Take good luck with that Anyways, here's the message, Dear Ben and Adam in 1993. So you're gonna have to turn on the pre-pubescent filter

in Adobe Audition. Yeah. Dear Ben and Adam in 1993, some nerds and I were a little bit embarrassed to build NCC 1701D for our homecoming parade. In 1994, I was a little bit embarrassed to cut class to go to a Star Trek exhibit at the museum. In 2020, I was a little bit embarrassed by the pace

at which I listened to your podcast. It has been great fun. Thank you. Wow. I'm glad, first of all, that this was anonymized. That's smart. Yeah. I also went to a museum exhibit about Star Trek. Do you remember going to this in the mid 90s? Yeah. There was a touring exhibit, uh, with like, with props. And I want to say a bridge mock-up. Yeah. Yeah. And some interactive.

I went to it in Washington, D.C. at the Aaron Space Museum, and then I think I went to it again when it came to San Francisco. Yeah, I went a couple of times too. That's right. With this homecoming Parade Big D, do you think Anonymous is describing a Parade float?

Was this a car scale NCC 1701D? Anonymous, I would really like to see pictures. I think you know pictures exist of any homecoming parade. Let's see this float. Yeah, it sounds really cool. Yeah. Sounds cool, is that... Is it like a rose parade where it's all...

It's all flowered? Yeah, oh yeah, they rendered it in pencils. Okay, find a bunch of gray roses. Yeah. Bend our second priority one messages from your nibble and it is tin nibble. The message goes like this. Lick. It's been a year since I wasn't even a little embarrassed to walk down the aisle to the

DS-9 theme because it was with you. Wow! The intervening time has been crazy. But I'm thankful every day to be going through it together because I don't know how I could do it any other way. Here's two continuing voyages, once we can go outside. Cool. Nibble and nibble sound like a great couple.

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Ono Ross and Carrie, available on MaximumFun.org. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Yeah it's the guy who are punches in the face. That scene. Wurf is like, hey guy, why don't you come over here and come over here or whatever. And the guy's like, dude, dude, dude, dude, hey, Wurf, what's going on? Last. That poor guy, he seems too gullible for the Mirror Universe.

Because he should have seen that coming. He's kind of the George McFly of the Mirror universe. Yeah. Because he should have seen that coming. You want, he's kind of the George McFly of the Mirror universe that guy. And for that reason, he's going to be my drunk Shemota. He's literally a punching bag. Yeah. My drunk Shemota is also a Klingon on that ship. It's the guard in the brig that is, you know, he's the one that like opens and closes the force field a couple of times when ramen Ezra are you going? And he's just, he's like, when you're casting for Klingon Warrior, I can't

believe they cast this guy because he's just like, he looks like a very scrawny teen who hasn't filled out yet. You know what? I was gonna make an observation related to that, which is every Klingon's voice who isn't Worf has a real like normal guy voice like, hey Worf, uh, this is Jeff over here at Tactical. Uh, do you need me to, uh, to do anything like firing the phasers or whatever? Hey, uh, we're detecting the defiant on long range sensors. defiant on long range sensors. There isn't even an attempt to insert any growl or affectation into the voices. And I thought that was a strange decision. It was like weird klingons in this episode.

And that guy kind of was emblematic of that. Because I just feel like, like, I'm not body shaming him. I'm just saying like, that's not the customary casting for klingon Warrior that we see on this show. And I wondered what was up with with that. It's it's a little like like if you watch a football game the kickers wear a different amount of padding right then other football players and it felt like a few of the Klingon warriors had had kicker padding. Yeah, he just had that one bar across his face. Yeah.

I'm used to seeing linebackers on those Klingon ships. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Fun. What happened to their jacked Klingons on the Alliance? Maybe they all died. Yeah. That's one of the many things that's befallen them in the Mirror universe.

Yeah. Well, the things that befalls us at the end of every episode is the the confrontation with the Game of Buttholes rule of the Prophet. It's the thing that's going to tell us and everyone else how we're going to experience the next episode. All too true, Adam. The next episode is season seven, episode 13, filled the fire. Ezri summons the suppressed homicidal memories of a previous DAX incarnation in order to solve a series of murders. There's a killer on the loose on the station, Adam,

and Ezri is going to have to become a killer in order to catch a killer. I love that a few episodes ago you and I were like, what is the point of Ezri? What is she even doing here? They're not giving her anything to do. And now it's like all Ezri all the time. It's the Ezri show and everybody else is just an extra. Yeah. Alright, Adam. I'm gonna head over to the game of buttholes with a will of the prophets, where our runabout is currently on square 37.

And I'm going to go ahead and roll this bone. There's nothing we could hit. It's a regular episode. We are just determining how much closer to that moorn hammered square we are getting right now. So give us a big roll. Here we go. You're required to learn as you play.

Roll. Chula! Did I win? Hardly. I gave a pretty big roll. I gave us a four. We're on square 41. Regular episode, but it puts a cocoa no no in range of that runabout

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