The Greatest Generation - Bros Before Holos (VOY S6E17)

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

When the Fair Haven villagers lose their obliviousness algorithms, they start conspiring against the Voyager crew. But when Captain Janeway gives Michael Sullivan a glimpse of her world, they convince... the townsfolk their relationships are worth saving. What’s the correct response to a calendar reminder? Did Killmannin only exist on TV? Which is the best variation of “we need to talk”? It’s the episode that misses the arch!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Friends of DeSoto for Labor.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on YouTube.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 William Shatner wrote, directed, and starred in the fifth Star Trek film in the winter of his 57th year. Over the next three decades, the film has been pilloried as one of the worst entries in the series. But when Shatner had fallen on hard times becoming primarily known as a television pitchman for a travel booking website, The recent share your embarrassment tour earned him a sudden, unexpected second run at celebrity. Well, everyone knows that Star Trek V is a catastrophic failure of a film that nearly ended the franchise.
Starting point is 00:00:37 What this tour presupposes is, maybe it isn't. Let me ask you something. Why would a reviewer make a point of saying someone is not a genius? Do you think I'm especially not a genius? You didn't even have to think about that. Did you? The share your embarrassment tour. Coming to just a few more cities this year.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Tickets still on sale at greatestgendtour.com. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Watch your back shot. Hello. I'm Captain Captain. Printing where the U.S. is. Boardhead.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Captain Captain. Printing where the U.S. is. Boardhead. Do it. Captain. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranaka. I'm Ben Harrison. Why did we start recording when we did? We just did five tight minutes
Starting point is 00:01:35 about sorkin television shows that I feel like would have killed. We didn't capture that, we didn't monetize it, we did nothing with that. That one was for us. You know, we were just clearing the mechanism. So that only our best stuff hits these mics. What the fuck? Can you hear that? My air conditioner just started making a weird noise. I can barely hear that over my own air conditioner, Ben. Which Wendy has promised us she can edit out. Yeah, I'm guessing that this one's not edit outable. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Okay. Do we need to hit a pause? I stopped the air conditioner and it's still making a weird noise. You want to take a moment to investigate? Actually, this is great pod. I don't know what to do. I could go get a ladder and go up there and whack it. I can't hear it. It sounds really bad, man. Fuck. All right, let's pause it. Let's let you figure this out.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Okay. Ben, I watched you climb up on that ladder and I don't know what you did up there because it was out of frame. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, that's all it took. Wow, there wasn't a cat stuck in there or anything? Meow, meow. No, it really sounded like the air conditioning unit was like maybe full of water, and it was about to dump like a torrent into my studio space. It was really burbling away in a way that was upsetting.
Starting point is 00:03:21 You've got one of those air conditioners that's like up on your wall. Yeah, I have a mini split unit it is called. Now when your mini split is making weird noises, you're gonna wanna climb a ladder to drain the water. As a homeowner, you're gonna wanna put a yearly reminder in your calendar app, telling you to have a certified HVAC technician come out and inspect your system.
Starting point is 00:03:49 And when that notification comes up, you're going to want to ignore it on an annual basis. God, I've got so many of those in my calendar. Replace the air filters. Empty this trap, clean this filter. And all of it, I skip every time. Yeah, I don't need to do that shit. Do you need to empty a mini split? Tell me about that, because we've got one of those,
Starting point is 00:04:15 we don't have mini splits, we just got the one box on roof, going through ducting. I guess that's kind of what we have in the house. This one's one that I had put in when we moved here so that I could survive working out in this office. And I actually don't have to turn it on very often because the building stays quite cool in the summer, but in the winter, I have to turn it on for heat because it gets quite cold out here.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah. Yeah. And as far as I can tell, it's just got a little like air filter mesh in it. And I like very, very occasionally we'll get up on a ladder and pull that thing out and like brush it off with a hand broom, you know? Sure.
Starting point is 00:05:00 90% of Alhoma injuries above a ladder. Yeah, so that's what I'm kind of banging on. Oh, yeah. You think there's any injury leave at Uxbridge, Yamota? New. I don't think so, Bob. There's not. How about new?
Starting point is 00:05:16 I was a climb in a ladder during the LA hurricane, so I could get on my roof and clear out all the gutters. I was thinking about that statistic the whole time. Oh, man. And were you a watertight during the great LA wind storm of 2023? I was. As viciously as I get roasted by my friends in New York about it having rained up it in LA.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. How are you doing, buddy? it having rained a bit in L. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. How are you doing, buddy? Oh, getting ready to get on an airplane with you tomorrow. Behind the pod, this is the day before we leave for our big tour. And this is good as it's going to get, right?
Starting point is 00:05:59 Optimism is it an all-time high? Yeah, that's what we call this. Excited to get out there and see Friends at DeSoto? I am very excited. I mean, it's kind of a The Wine Show tour, because we're playing a lot of wineries this time. Our friend and agent got his book and at least half a dozen wineries around the country. So. He saw the writing on the wall.
Starting point is 00:06:22 He saw how much we were spending backstage on our writer for alcohol. He's like, well, if you just do shows and wineries like a wine bottle and in the back is basically free to them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this is great for the bottom line. Yeah, I'm super excited about it. And by the time this episode comes out, I guess the reviews will be in. Did it suck or did it rule? I think it's gonna rule. I've got a lot of funny jokes pre-written that I will forget about. I got a lot of uh, quippy observations. I hope make you laugh. Oh man. I can't wait. I have a lot of love to give the friends of DeSoto in the meet and greet before a lot of these shows.
Starting point is 00:07:08 So it's gonna be great. It is. I'm looking forward to that, but I'm also really looking forward to talking about this very weird episode of Star Trek Voyager. I'm shocked to be back at Fairhaven, Ben. I am as well, and we smash back into it right at the beginning of this episode. Do you want to jump in? Yeah, Ben. It's a Star Trek Voyager season six episode 17.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Spirit Folk! Reaper, of course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo, dudes. I'm not turning around. Arr. We start with Ensign Paris, like a Stanley steamer. Absolutely raging through Fairhaven. It's gonna get somebody killed at him.
Starting point is 00:07:50 You can't drive a horseless carriage through town. They don't have traffic signals here. You're gonna kill somebody. Do you ever think about how, if you were you, except in horsey times, and like the advent of the horseless carriage was upon you? How much more uncomfortable a car was than a horse? You know, like absolutely no shock absorption.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Like a saddle is more comfortable than riding on that fucking bench. On top of those wheels and tires, right? And he's got that like, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, energy. The entire time he's driving it, you know, you never have that energy riding a horse, especially on roads made for horses. Yeah, you're just like, ah, nice. Yeah. Horse hangs. Every serious rider has their own saddle and boy oh boy am I. Glad I borrowed bands. He just barely avoids killing people and dogs here. I don't think enough is made of that. Yeah. He runs into Shamus and... Wait, with his car? Shamus and wait with his car. He runs into barrels with his car and Shamus with his person.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Shamus is up to his old tweaks again. Oh, come into some money, kids. Yeah. What the hell is wrong with you people? Yeah, Shamus is talking about how like up there at Castle O'Dell, there's been some word of hauntings. The Queen of the Fairy Folk takes that place over at nighttime. And I was confused because I thought that the whole point of Fairhaven
Starting point is 00:09:33 was that there was no mystical bullshit in it. I know, I was so disappointed. I was disappointed too, but then I realized, like, it's just that Shamist is a fool. There isn't actually a Queen of the fairy people in the game. It's that a character in the game believes that there's a queen of the fairy people. I don't... This is literally the first time I'm considering Shamus being a fool.
Starting point is 00:09:58 Because I just like Richard Reel. Yeah, Richard Reel is great. And I don't want to believe that for him, but I think you're right. I don't wanna, God damn it, he is a fool. He's a total fool and he's got his hand out because Paris is explaining the vehicle he just crashed. And Chamus is like, boy, must be nice. Doing that backhanded compliment thing, must be nice.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Having a horseless carriage and Paris makes up some bullshit about inheritance money. Being the reason he can afford it. This is back in the 20s or something when it wasn't considered weird to have indescribable wealth in the face of others poverty. So Paris is unembarassed by this and hands out the shillings that Shem is going to need to go drink a bunch of beers. Is Shem is unaware of the
Starting point is 00:10:53 condolence and shilling economy here? I don't believe he offers his condolences in exchange for those shillings. Wasn't he going to go drink and think about the bereaved aristocrat or whatever? You don't have to buy my condolences. Oh wow. I think James is kind of shitty here for that. He's worse than a fool. He's an asshole. Well, he might not be such a fool because when he walks away and Paris asks the computer to replace the busted wheel on his horseless carriage, she aim as notices this and has kind of a religious experience noticing it. Yeah. Hey, was I of us?
Starting point is 00:11:36 Wouldn't you? Yeah, I mean, I'd first be filled with jealousy. My car is in the body shop right now because I got hit by another vehicle recently in a non-serious accident. If I could have just asked the computer to buff out that spot, that would have been great. But this is Chamus' first time seeing a horseless carriage. Is there a chance that he just believes
Starting point is 00:11:57 that's how they work? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. You just ask for what you want? Yeah. These things are like 50% and stupendous advancement in technology, 50% a evil pact with the fairy people. I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:12:16 After the theme, Shamus cannot resist holding court at the bar, telling folks about what he saw with Paris's unnatural powers. Yeah. I was a little distracted because prominently featured in this scene is Mr. Pitt, mutton chopping it up and feeling genuinely resentful of the way Tom Paris stomps around Fair Haven like he invented it. Am I making any sense here? Some actors you can't do this with,
Starting point is 00:12:47 but Mr. Pits face is always foreground. Did you notice that this episode? And not only foreground like in a two shot, he is very close up. He just has a face for close ups. Yeah, he sure does. And he's really chewing the edge of the frame all the way through the set-up. So there's this kind of like meeting of the old timey town folk, including
Starting point is 00:13:14 Shemus and Mr. Pitt and Sullivan, the love interest of Katie O'Clayer, and Sullivan is sort of arguing forth, like, hey, like these new people that come to town now are cool. I'm like, let's not be weird and superstitious. But everybody else is talking about the legend of Kill Manon in County, May. And Kill Manon is a town that apparently got kind of like overrun by and then completely fucked up by spirit folk. Is Kill Man in a Real Place? Because it's got a great name for movies and TV, right? You won't find it on any map, not any more.
Starting point is 00:13:55 I mean, what did they expect? How do you not get all of your man and killed? Did I'm saying? In a town like that. How do you not go into bankruptcy as a deodorant production line, setting up shop in Killmanon? You're supposed to be bymanon, not Killmanon. So you had to further articulate the joke to make sure it hit.
Starting point is 00:14:23 You an aided ye. I get to get in the habit of that before going out on tour. articulate the joke to make sure it hits. Mm-hmm, you and A to E. I get to get in the habit of that before going out on tour. I guess so. So Sullivan is very pro-cady, and Cady O'Clair actually shows up in the midst of this rabble. Mm-hmm. Doesn't really read the room. No.
Starting point is 00:14:43 No, and Michael Sullivan does that thing where he's in the middle of being the alpha in town, and he just goes back behind the bar. What would it be? A usual place. Poor's, KDO Claire, a mug of vegetable broth, and they have their own time off to the side. Yeah. And this is like their usual banter that they're having. And the thing about this moment
Starting point is 00:15:08 is you have to wonder looking at Sullivan's face whether or not he's a believer in James' theories, right? Yeah. He's definitely put up the biggest resistance to any of these theories of anyone in the town, including the doctor, but it seems like he's entertaining them, nonetheless. What this scene does crucially is established that he is an okay liar. Yeah. He's going to need to lie a lot this episode, and it starts here.
Starting point is 00:15:39 He shouldn't be playing rings with her. He should be playing poker. Yeah. We cut over to Voyager, speaking of rings, Harry Kim is making lilies in the mess hall replicator. I think you gotta be careful where you're replicating your stuff because when you replicate shit in the mess hall, I think you kind of deserve the attention you get, right?
Starting point is 00:15:59 Tom Parrish comes over and starts roasting Harry for the fact that he is using replicated rations to Mac on a holographic babe. Yeah. Yeah. That seems like a bad use of resources all the way around. Is a holiday date really yours or not at all yours, as a dating companion. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Not a lot about this. Like, what exactly is Paris's angle here that he's using real money to spend on a fake person or that he's spending real money on a fake person that also a lot of other people in the crew might be banging at the same time. These country girls aren't as simple as you think. Maggy O'Hallar and could be a little more
Starting point is 00:16:44 than you can handle. Hard to know. And does it matter that they're like, if you're playing Skyrim and I'm playing Skyrim, you can kill the dragon and boss and so can I. And it's not like we killed the same dragon. Right. But this is a MMORPG though.
Starting point is 00:17:01 And it's only happening the one time, right? Yeah. For everyone everyone I guess so Maybe like they do group stuff in the holodeck as a crew. I don't know. I think the captains Only playing ringtoss with Michael Sullivan and Michael Sullivan's only playing ringtoss with her Yeah, yeah, there's definitely like a velvet rope around Michael Sullivan But everybody else in the program's fair game. Computer, make velvet pubes around Michael Sullivan's genitals. I'm giving you an order.
Starting point is 00:17:32 I'm giving you an order. They have underserved it. I'm giving you an order. I'm giving you an U.S. just crossed the line. Bilti is stressed about this holiday program running around the clock. She thinks it's an accident waiting to happen, and it's also like adding to her maintenance schedule because of all the cycles it's taking. I love how she never participates in this program.
Starting point is 00:17:59 She's not a culture tourist. She doesn't give a shit about Fairhaven. There's nothing in it for. Does blowing out Hollowa midders go hand in hand with blowing out backs? Is that what's going on here? God, maybe. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely not the thing that Harry Kim is thinking about blowing out in the scene, right? No. He's got a hot date that night. He does, and we catch up with him on that date through the eyes of Tom Perez, who's like sneaking around in After Dark Fair Haven watching him. Tommy!
Starting point is 00:18:37 How's the beeping? James and Mr. Pitt are sneaking around watching Tom Perez. Who watches the watcher, Adam? That's a question on my mind. Classic Star Trek episode, this episode for that reason, right? In old ways it matter, we oughta like. Yeah. Tom Paris is in some sort of lookout bunker.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Yeah, yeah. With some binoculars. In the duck blind of hiding behind a wagon full of hay when he pushes a button and turns Maggie into a dairy cow. Right as Harry Kim was about to give her a big kiss. So I think we can agree that Paris was a little early with hitting the button, right? Because how much more fun would it have been
Starting point is 00:19:21 to transform Maggie into a cow much much later. Like, after they get home, as they're walking up the stairs maybe, that would be funny. Walking up the stairs, what do you mean? What about if Harry had gone downtown? That would be a funny moment. Like there's just some classic first date face sitting happening here. Yeah. And Harry Kim gets absolutely crushed under a dairy cow in the process.
Starting point is 00:19:53 It's actually really cool. This is an animatronic cow that they made, you know, actor safety. They didn't want to put Garrett Wong right next to a real cow. You got it. And Garrett Wong actually did acquire this animatronic in one of those prop actions after after it was on the show. Wow. They only had to make the cow pelvis, huh? For that unfilm scene. He was stating the obvious again. So needless to say, Mr. Pitt and James see this and go real big with their reactions. Holy Mother of God!
Starting point is 00:20:31 We smash cut to church where the EMH is, it's like a weird vibe in the church because EMH is preaching neighborly love but in a very like fire and brimstone tone of voice. What these sinners have forgotten is that they are neighbors. You gotta understand why the doctor loves being the priest. It's because no one listens to him on Voyager about anything anyway. Yeah, finally he has the bully pulpit.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Yeah, yeah. In walks, Shamus and Mr. Pitt and Maggie O'Calloran. And the question I had in this scene, Ben, is do you think Maggie O'Calloran thinks it's Maggie O'Halloran or do you think Maggie O'Hallaran transformed into a cow that contains none of her sentience? Oh man. Is there any of her in that cow? Because I don't think that's made clear later. Like later on, she's like, oh, I was in a weird dream that I barely remember. I mean, she's also a holodeck program. So it was the real question is who gives it shit. That's the main question that kind of runs through this whole episode. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:54 This is truly Brian Fuller at the height of his powers. Did this happen a lot in pushing daisies or whatever his hit show was? I don't know, I never watched it. A lot of cow transforms. Yeah. So they're like telling the story of how they saw Harry Kim about to lay one on Maggio Hallorin and then suddenly instead of Maggio Hallorin, there was Maggio Hallorin and the EMH
Starting point is 00:22:23 is standing up there at the pulpit trying to explain that Tom Paris is a great big prankster and this is probably just some sleight of hand that they misinterpreted. Doc, are you telling me Tom Paris? Transform Maguio Hallan into a dairy cow. Well, it thought he should do it with a little bit of class. When you milk these elders at 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious froth.
Starting point is 00:23:02 The duck kind of plays this off. He's like, when did you see this exactly? Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. to what I'm saying at the end of this scene. Leave it with me for reasons unexplained. I was sort of surprised it didn't also say like,
Starting point is 00:23:28 and you two are like the drunkest guys in town by a lot, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no one really considers the source, right? Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe he's being more empathetic to their plate because they are also hollow projections much like him. Maybe that's what's going on. Anyways, Maggie reappears just as they're coming around the corner on their way back from church and she tells her tale of woe to these two bozos and she's very disoriented because she feels like she just woke up from a dream. She was on the cover of Bovine magazine.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Shelton Pepper and Flank Steak. I've been cooking section. Yeah. Who hasn't had a weird situation inside of church? They barely remember. Yeah. So we cut back over to Sullivan's pup, which is where everybody gathers to trade superstitious yarns. And this group of people, this group of robes,
Starting point is 00:24:39 begin to conspire against the voyage recruiter who they interpret as just like the new people around town. You know what I don't like? Shameless, claiming Maggie's story at the bar. Well Maggie is sitting at the bar. I hated that. She's right there. Yeah, I don't like that at all. But the townspeople don't like the weird shit they've been seeing Around for a while too like all the injuries that may or may not have happened the disappearances and reappearances Nielix
Starting point is 00:25:22 Oh, he doesn't look like a leprechaun. I don't know who does and Michael Sullivan again takes the other side of things He's not gonna hear any of it. These are their friends. They're not the devils. Well, he's also like a business owner, so he's like, there's like a bunch of new people. Like this is good for the economy overall. They're spending money in here. Who's going to throw rings at his junk if KDO Claire is the devil? Yeah. Suddenly I don't have a wife and I know lots about books. Nobody around here wants to fuck me anymore.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Yeah. These velvet pubes aren't going to need to keep anyone out. No one's going to be interested. Yeah. Pretty soon they're going to be full of cobwebs. I miss my wife. That night, Katie, her Claire visits Michael Sullivan at the two tap that he reserved for them at his very unpopular bar. And it's there that he gives her a book. And then this has never happened to me. I always get that we need to talk without gifts, but he does a neat variation of this. He does that we need to talk with a gift.
Starting point is 00:26:18 And part of the reason for that is the book that he gives her. It's like the shit sandwich of notes on a creative project. Like, we're really liking the direction of this. We have some ideas about ways to improve it. Yeah. It's like, hey, I like you a lot. So much so that I got you this book.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Also. You've been lying to me, Katie. I have some concerns. I've been doing some check in with friends of mine and County Claire. Seems nobody's heard of you there. You know what's great about Kate Mulgrugh's performance and Janeway's character in general throughout all of this, is like you never get a whiff of, oh, that's cute.
Starting point is 00:26:57 Like in the face of a programmed idiot, you know? Like she likes and is attracted to Michelot Sullivan, but when Michelot Sullivan ever has agency at her, she never dismisses it. Like she takes him seriously throughout in I think a good way. Yeah, I think that playing D&D a little bit lately has made me think of the Fair Haven program
Starting point is 00:27:24 or any of the other programs they run on Voyager specifically as being kind of similar types of, it's like a game that doesn't have an end, you know, there's no end boss to beat and then you did the game. You ruin your own game by not taking it seriously, right? Right. So she stays in character when she's talking to Sullivan as KDO Claire. And when he starts saying like, yeah, weird stuff's going on. And everybody in town is kind of worried that you guys might be spirit folk.
Starting point is 00:27:57 And yeah, like, so there's a bit of a conspiracy going on. You know, I've been kind of advocating for a civilized approach to us responding to the potential that you guys are spirit folk, but yeah, I just wanted to let you know that. He takes a really interesting like in-world angle at her when he's like, you know, sometimes I'd like to see you off schedule and I could find you. Sometimes I'd like to see you off schedule
Starting point is 00:28:32 and I could find you. You're never around. Nobody's invented the telephone yet. I have no one to ask you up. You up. Haggis emoji. Backpipe emoji, droplets emoji. So surprised is Janeway in this scene that she just has to end the program. And just across the room, Chico Tay steps his dick on the hologrid. Get her in program. Are you suggesting that he was in the corner and the shadows watching this? Because he's got to get something out of this program too, right?
Starting point is 00:29:07 He was somewhere else in town, yeah. She's like, oh, you were in here too. That's what she says. You should have hung a gym sock on the door, but this is a starship so there are no door handles. No, are there our gym sucks. I've got to get that. Not now put your life number your mouth. I've got to get that. Not now.
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Starting point is 00:32:54 He is pretty vague about what he's done to modify the program, post rebuild. They get down to engineering and get some bad news from BLT and Ensign Kim who have been looking at the data surrounding running this program non-stop and it's damaged the program at them. Yeah. And Chainway is like, okay, seems easy enough. Shut down the program for repairs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Turn it off. Pull the cartridge out. Blow through your t-shirt into the cartridge, put the cartridge back in. We return in the next scene to a location we've seen just the one time before. This is the Holiday Control Lab, where Kim and Paris are working on these repairs. And when they get Michael Sullivan up on, what's the thing when you go to a tailor shop and like have your What's the thing when you go to a tailor shop and have your pants pinned or whatever, like the little platform? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:48 They got Michael Sullivan up there and he goes absolutely crazy. Yeah, and they're like, hey, do you want a single stitch or a double stitch? A double stitch is a nice, a strong stitch. Well, I don't know what I want at a double stitch. They hit a few buttons and, hey, Michael feels great again. That's awesome. His obliviousness algorithm has been deactivated somehow. They hit a few buttons and, hey, Michael feels great again. That's awesome. His obliviousness algorithm has been deactivated somehow.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Yeah. It's so fucking jealous of him having obliviousness algorithms. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That sounds great. But they're doing that thing with the camera moves where they're like staying on, Michael Sullivan, a couple seconds longer than you ordinarily would. You can tell.
Starting point is 00:34:26 You can tell he's just going along with it. Yeah, he's not as oblivious as he's acting. No, tell you that much. No. Kim and Paris agree that their patch is gonna work. And rather than just going character by character, making these changes, they're like, let's globally make the changes across all of the characters
Starting point is 00:34:44 and call it good. And they're pretty in artful about how they roll out this plan. They do it right in front of Sullivan, very trusting that in fact he is as oblivious as he claims to be. I thought for sure. Like the lower dex version of this episode goes like Kim and Paris upload the patch to all the other characters,
Starting point is 00:35:06 and now every holiday character in Fairhaven wants to fuck Janeway. Yeah. I love this program. And mostly I love that no one else on the crew loves this program anymore. Holiday 2 is all mine now. So Sullivan shows back up in the game and gets like a little boy pushing a hoop with a stick.
Starting point is 00:35:33 It's fucking dumbass. To gather the town's people in a church. That's the dumbest kid in any town, right? Hoopin' stick kid. What are you doing? I don't know. I mean, it was really fun when I was a kid. What are you doing? I don't know. I mean, it was really fun when I was a kid. Oh, no, not you.
Starting point is 00:35:49 God. Your hoop was an automatic tennis ball serving machine. And your, your stick was a racket. You would just push it to the courts. Yeah, I gotta go get my hoop pushing stick. Restrung. courts. Yeah, I gotta go get my hoop push and stick. Restrung. So this dumb kid is told to go grab Fitzgerald and bring him to church. Yeah. I don't remember Fitzgerald from the last episode. He's a new guy, right? I think so. He's like the town doctor, I guess. Yeah. Cause the EMH is playing the town priest. So if you thought that Michael Sullivan
Starting point is 00:36:25 had got one over on Paris and Kim, the next scene disabuses you of that because back on the Voyager Bridge, Paris and Kim tell Janeway that, yeah, you know, Michael Sullivan thought he was being sneaky, lying about feeling better, but we know the truth somehow. And we got a reprogram of ASAP and Janeway and Chicoete, meanwhile, are commiserating about her malfunctioning boyfriend and Chicoete is made to listen to his crush complain about how her boyfriend can't satisfy her. Yeah at the moment. In that case, you'll have to get creative. And then we like, pan down into Ticoté's hands. And he's got like a Costco-sized box of Dixon, Ticonderoga pencils.
Starting point is 00:37:11 That he busts like a fucking phone book over his knee. I mean, given the number of times he's snapped his pencil in the holodeck when people suddenly shut the program off, you know what you're doing, Janeway. This isn't nice. Yeah, it's really brutal. Chicoate, though, I feel like does a fun bit of fighting back here
Starting point is 00:37:36 because for Chicoate to tell Janeway to tell the hollow person the truth, that feels like a manipulation too, right? Like what it does. What does he what happens when you tell him the truth? That's the right thing, the truth. That feels like a manipulation too, right? Like what? It does. What does he what happens? When you tell him the truth, that's the right thing, right? Tell this old-timey person, the truth about being a starship captain, you'll feel better. Take a swing at it, see what happens. Yeah. I'm on Chicago Dayside here. I like the idea. As you see. So we catch up with Sullivan and the doctor in the church
Starting point is 00:38:08 where they're having a, like it's got the sort of tone of a confessional. They're having this kind of heart to heart about like what happened to Sullivan? Like was he in some sort of afterlife or spirit world when he showed up in the in a lab. What were these guys talking about? What do they mean when they're talking about doing what they did to him to the rest of
Starting point is 00:38:31 the town? Yeah. They're freaked, man. Like, I'm not currently attracted to KDO Claire, does it mean I'm going to be made to be attracted to her? Are we all even Maggie O'Calloran? I'm not sure what they have in mind, but we better be prepared.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Do my weird memories of having had a wife have some basis in reality? They don't have any answers to these questions, but they do know one fact, and that is tonight at the pub, Paris and Kim plan on going in there and changing something about the town. And we smashed cut to the inside of the pub
Starting point is 00:39:10 where Paris and Kim are showing up with, you know, they're like holding, like whale oil lanterns as they snoop about. And I guess there's just like a panel behind a wall in the pub that they're trying to get at so that they can, like it seems like something you should be able to change from outside the holodeck, but they have to be inside the holodeck to change something about the program. When did it become Star Trek canon that these panels had to exist in world, in like the
Starting point is 00:39:39 secret rock that you hide your key in? At some point that changed because it always used to be you had to ask the computer to show you the archer something. Yeah. And then that's how you do stuff. It doesn't seem like they have an arch on the voyager. No, I miss that arch. Yeah, I do too.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Instead, there is no arch. There's only panel. And they are messing with the panel while the town's folk are getting their guns and shit together preparing to battle the Voyager crew. And they realize they need something a little bit more powerful than just muskets. I mean, I guess the big red net doesn't qualify in terms of firepower, but I do like the non-lethal options here, including incantations and berries.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Ashberries, right. Berries which have kind of a non-specific power, right? I don't know what those are about. Yeah, like the ashberries just get mentioned and never actually get used. It's real like a Chekhov's ashberry situation. Yeah. But yeah, the incantation is mightier
Starting point is 00:40:46 than the rifle, apparently. And Shamist does is. God was fighting so hard for this title this episode. Really good stuff so far. Shamist has a grand call to arms, getting everybody riled up, ready to go. And they set upon Harry and Tom in the pub. They throw this net over them.
Starting point is 00:41:09 The red net works. This thing works great. I feel like if we were standing at a control panel in a pub and somebody threw a net on us, we'd have that net off us right away, right? Oh, I wouldn't say that at all. Have you ever had a net thrown on you? Very difficult to escape. Because the harder you struggle,
Starting point is 00:41:29 the more entangled you become. Really? Yes. That's the whole point of net. The Did you find like a deer carcass hanging from a tree in the middle of the woods at some point and find this out the hard way?
Starting point is 00:41:43 Every time I go to Wisconsin, that happens to me. To escape, they ask the computer to freeze the program, but a couple of few slides from these guns have gone into the control panel at this point. They only succeeded freezing 62% of the program, which is less than the amount of people in the US who favor stricter gun laws Quintedently enough. What did have killed the computer to give them 7% more frozen program? I know I like the piecemeal Action of this like the so it's cool the sort of workingness of the computer. Yeah safety's going off though, real bad news. That makes a red net lethal.
Starting point is 00:42:29 It does. So they hope it and get out of there and we see like the pitchfork wielding mob chasing after them through the town streets. And they get grabbed by these fucking townspeople. And when the townspeople grab Paris and Kim, they can't break free because two dozen townsspeople. And when the townsspeople grab Paris and Kim, they can't break free because two dozen townsspeople are made of holodeck and holodeck characters are strong.
Starting point is 00:42:53 They're everywhere. I don't even know why the scientists make them. If only Paris had access to the horseless carriage, he could wheel it around and really take out a lot of these folks. Oh yeah. Like bowling pins. That would have been great.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Yeah. Cough me through it. Black, coffee, black, make it, make it, make it yourself. We have him a Glockflin group. Is your one. I feel like BLT is the only sane character in a Glockflin group. Because she's like, yeah, so we just need to turn the program off and reset the characters.
Starting point is 00:43:26 And everybody's like, let's not be too rash. Like it is running itself and the safeties are misfiring, but we don't want to reset the characters in the game. I do not understand how Janeway can be against BLTs, bros before hollows, sensibility, and that she actually disagrees with this without laughing. Like you listen to Janeway's comments here, and like they sound insane.
Starting point is 00:43:57 BLT's right. Like they've got real life people in there, in mortal danger, and Janeway struggles to draw an equivalency between them and a hallow man I'm throwing rings around. I mean like DuVoc is in the room for this. Seven of nine is in the room for this. They should have to go to the fucking sick bay after this with strained eyebrow raising muscles. Yeah, I mean, could Tufak like mind meld Janeway's basement do like maybe keep it from flooding for a moment because she's not acting rationally here.
Starting point is 00:44:40 That's that's something you do with a work friend. No, definitely not. So the plan here that Janeway proposes, as if she'd had this on the launch pad the entire time, is like, you can use pattern enhancers to get Paris and Kim off of the holodeck. And that way, it lets like a non-destructive way to accomplish their goals without erasing the program that Janeway and only Janeway thinks so highly of. There's coffee in these relationships if we can find another way.
Starting point is 00:45:11 So genius of genius plans, Janeway comes up with the idea of sending the doctor into put these pattern enhancers on Paris and Kim. And the EMH shows up in this murder party, where like basically everybody in the town has Paris and Kim like last to chairs and they're getting ready. I mean, it's like, it's got kind of like the crucible energy, like they're being accused of being spirit folk or in league with the spirit folk.
Starting point is 00:45:43 And Sullivan's like a little bit trying to speak up against mob justice but not that much Do you think the episode does enough to put Paris and Kim in the mortal danger that you're supposed to feel like they're in because the only discharge of a lethal weapon is at the computer. But I know I'm gonna sound fucked up saying this, but I feel like Kim and Parrish should be roughed up more in this scene.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Like neither of them seen particularly afraid. They're quippy and defensive, but they're not fearful. The scene is light and silly until the EMH shows up and gives his like fire and brimstone energy again. Yeah. SIDDER! SIDDER!
Starting point is 00:46:31 All of you. And you know, scolds them for getting ready to kill people in church. That's not a nice place to kill people. No. You get to kill people in the name of the church. That's how it gets done. people in the name of the church. That's how it gets done. Yeah, they found Paris and Kim's gadgets that they brought to mess with the computer. And they noticed the the EMH's mobile
Starting point is 00:46:55 emitter, which is protecting him from the rules of the game in this context. They didn't find all of Kim and Paris's gadgets that they frequently bring to the holiday, great? No, no, the butt slapping paddle gadget remains unaccounted for. Yeah. Where the hell did Mr. Pit go in this scene? Cut to him, just getting his ass absolutely paddled.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Maravilloso. So they hypnotized the doctor and we find out on the bridge that he's been integrated into the fair haven matrix. I love the science in this scene. It happens so fast, right? Like when the doctor is using the mobileometer, he's running off of mobileometer.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Yeah. But like when mobileometer is off of him, he has to switch into Living in the holodeck and subject to all the holodeck rules like this is so efficient as a story be But I really liked how this worked. Yeah Sullivan here's from the doctor that they are on a starship and is like maybe he's telling the truth. Up on the bridge they're like worrying about the doctor and they're like, oh cool, like the mobile emitter's back online. Beem him right to the bridge and instead of the doctor materializing, it is cellophon
Starting point is 00:48:17 that materializes. Now, there has been a long tradition of starship captains, wooing dums by walking them around the starship and specifically to a viewing window to seduce them, right? So that's what I was expecting here. Yeah. Sullivan is part men talking and this is his moment to be wowed. Wood and wowed. What do you think of Chico Tei's take here? Because he stands up at the end to like, sort of stop whatever this is from happening, but he doesn't really say a whole lot. And I kind of figure Chico Tei's energy is like,
Starting point is 00:48:58 just let her squirm. Like, is this more or less embarrassing than pregnant sesca? I think it's important that we equalize the shame here on the bridge crew. Everyone's had theirs. For all the Chico Te react that we get no, like I really wanted the townspeople react when Sullivan beams out. Like they're the ones that are at the center of this story. Like there's no corresponding cut back to them yeah yeah and like that would be absolutely mind shattering to them like this guy put that thing on his arm and immediately disappeared do you think there was ever a moment in this writer's room that they
Starting point is 00:49:37 considered Maggie O'Calloran being beamed to the bridge And then everyone looks back at Harry Kim like, What the fuck, Harry? Harry, is this your idea of sex? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- How long would you say that went? I lasted 22 minutes. How much of the clarinet could you get in there? Up to the bell. Yeah, so we cut to the tour around Voyager, the Janeway Gives Michael Sullivan. And he does this great thing where he recognizes a bunch of people
Starting point is 00:50:21 walking around on the corridors. That's fun. Yeah. She's kind of using the HG-Well time machine as a mental framework for him to use to understand this. It's a lot easier for him than somebody from a men talkent level of technology to wrap their mind around.
Starting point is 00:50:40 What do you think Michael Sullivan's version of the Min Taken scarf is going to be? Just a ring a wooden ring It was draped on the back of her. I mean, it's a wooden post really. Yeah Kiemelgrew does that thing with her performance where she looks at his mouth when she talks to him. I think that is a very standardized, screen acting technique to make it seem as though a character is romantically interested in the person they're talking to, right? They don't kiss in this scene, but she does that thing where she's looking at his eyes
Starting point is 00:51:23 and his mouth when she talks to him. Yeah, and he goes, me eyes are up here, Katie. I don't have velvet pubes around me lips. I shaved this morning, or I would. So they're kind of having this conversation when they get warned by two Valks that a burning at the stake situation is developing in the holodeck and you know with the safety is only being somewhat on 60% on. It's pretty concerning. I mean that's second degree burn minimum, right? Yeah. Yeah. So they got to go down there. So Katie O'Clair and Sullivan show back up in the church and try to talk the rabble down. And it's a very similar like this is
Starting point is 00:52:12 technology, not magic. It's just similar to magic because it's sufficiently advanced. And we're actually good people who enjoy hanging out in your town. you need to like recognize that all of the things you've cited as supernatural acts have actually been good. I love that. I love that part of the argument, like even taking in totality, like broken bone fixed. Kid in well saved. Maggio Callaran.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Good. Not a cow anymore and it was a good bit. Yeah. Bits, bits, bits, no matter what. Michael Sullivan proposes peaceful coexistence from this point forward, and it appears as though the town agrees. Yeah, they're talked into accommodating these weird people. Do they have a mayor or something?
Starting point is 00:53:03 I don't know. It seems like they might need one because Michael O'Sullivan, look at him. Look at him. He's the captain of this town now. No. Hahaha. Unelected.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. But benevolent. Exactly. Yeah. Finally an engineering, BLT tells Janeway and Paris and the doc that they need to establish hollow hours. Hollow office hours are going to have to be the rule so as not to tax the system.
Starting point is 00:53:35 And Janeway decides not to wipe the town's folks' memories of the last few days. Yeah, very nice. But yeah, they can't just leave this thing running willy-nilly Tell they're gonna have to do some some fixes And we cut back to the program and everything seems to be going a lot better the button on the episode is a shot of the town hotel and in one room Harry cam and Maggie and how are and are absolutely going nuts on each other. And then the camera
Starting point is 00:54:08 pants to the next window and Janeway and Sullivan are in that room going absolutely nuts on each other as well. Yeah. It's never been hotter and fair haven. And it's all because Janeway decided to allow for their memories to remain. How about that? Did you like this episode Adam? You know, I'm really easy to get along with, most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Silly is hell, right? Fair haven. A silly, silly place where silly Star Trek happens. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I mean, for whatever reason, I like this more than the first Fairhaven episode, because it feels like something happened. The first Fairhaven episode felt very like, is Janeway gonna be okay fucking a hollow person or not? And that didn't seem, those stakes didn't seem high enough for me.
Starting point is 00:55:07 Things seemed a little worse here, but not, not as bad as I would have liked them to be. Like, it would have been nice to light the kindling under Kim and Paris's feet, you know. Yeah, yeah. I definitely didn't like this episode. Oh, oh really. I just couldn't get it.
Starting point is 00:55:29 But it's just a fair hit. Forget it, Ben, it's fair haven. Like, how could you, how could you not like this? I don't know, man. I was like, I think I was thinking a lot about like the previous episode and all like the intense board shit that had just happened. And maybe this is like a palette cleanser episode
Starting point is 00:55:49 or something, but I was just like, it is really hard for me to get it up for this no stakes app after that. Do you think they thought about turning Michael Sullivan into kind of a Moriarty? Like I agree with you that it's not a great episode. Like, clearly, that is objectively true. But like, I wonder to what extent they knew that and defanged it in the way that it was
Starting point is 00:56:18 for fear of maybe repeating that rhyme of like, oh no, is Janeway going to have to kill Michael Sullivan because he's Moriarty himself or whatever. Like what happens when you're in love with Moriarty? That's not a thing that happened in T.O.G, right? What happens when a man talking goes Moriarty? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:38 I think that could have really helped this episode just to just give like another click of tension in the Janeway Michael Sullivan conflict. We should write Brian Fuller an email and see if he can account for some of these oversights. I'm sure he'd really appreciate unsolicited ideas. But no writer is writing right now, Ben, because at the time of this record, writers and actors are still on strike, striking for their way of life, really. Yeah. And for the future of mass entertainment. Yeah. If you want all of your television actors to be Michael Sullivan's,
Starting point is 00:57:16 and I don't mean the actor plays Michael Sullivan, I mean, a holodeck character. That's really what the AMPTP want. As a dark future. Fuck that. Fuck that character. That's really what the AMPTP want. Yeah. As a dark future. Fuck that. Fuck that shit. No, we don't want it. Do not want. Yeah. Pay your actors and writers. Get it done. Well, Adam, do you want to see if there's anything we need to get done in the priority
Starting point is 00:57:36 one in box? I am. On my way. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel. Need a supplement on. Okay. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on it. supplement on it? supplement supplement
Starting point is 00:57:50 Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben, our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. No shit. And it was chosen specifically for this episode. Okay. That message goes like this, Ben and Adam, I sit here, thanking you both. The amazing work you do on this podcast, I wish she who is my wife would listen.
Starting point is 00:58:15 But she never will. Because this is her favorite episode of Voyager. Oh wow. She won't listen because this is her favorite episode of Voyager. She's worried it will roast it too hard, I guess. Since she won't, I'll spend this promotional message to say thank you for all the laughs and helping keep us out of the sad corners of life. Thank you to True FOTs, Sam and Brad from T.C.
Starting point is 00:58:41 Whoa! For years ago, getting me hooked on this phenomenal podcast, keep up the good fight for mental health everywhere. Oh yeah. This is a message from Jason G. from Milwaukee. Amazing. Who's gotta be buddies from Sam, also from Wisconsin. And yeah, any friend of theirs is a friend of ours for sure.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Did we meet Jason G. and our Milwaukee show last year? Must have. Yeah. I do have done that. Yeah. Or at Sam's wedding. Yeah, maybe maybe there too. Well, Jason G, if you just want to play this part of the episode,
Starting point is 00:59:17 you can tell your wife that I fucking love this episode. It's my favorite episode of Star Trek also. Any FODs out there who believe their partner wouldn't enjoy our programming, I would say, there's nothing stopping you from setting up a subscription and getting double downloads. Yeah. You know, I think double downloads would help quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah. They don't have to listen Adam our next priority one message is from Peter and it is to she who is my wife Aaron goes like this Happy early birthday Aaron. I had to spend a p1 to celebrate with one of the most fun voyager apps space irish 2.0 so many drunk shimotas I hope you have the best birthday and I love you so much And I'm in Ben. Do you think Kim? Kim drop She should have learned his lesson on Holodec girls after Marena. I don't remember who Marena is, but probably. It's gonna look up who that is.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Oh, look at Marina. Marina was the space station employee who was alone. Oh. Remember Marina? She was in a nebula on a station. My nebula. Right. And she appeared as a as a hollow character in the resort program.
Starting point is 01:01:05 What ever happened to the resort program, by the way? They swapped it up for fair haven. How about you just make the resort program more interesting or than whatever this is? Yeah. That doesn't seem right. I think Peter brings up an interesting point here. Once bitten twice shy, is how hairy Kim should be, but no, he gets right back on the cow. But he does.
Starting point is 01:01:33 And I think he always will. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great point, Peter. Happy birthday, Aaron. Happy birthday, Aaron. And thanks to the both of you for listening. Ben, our final priority when message is from Chris.
Starting point is 01:01:48 To you and me, that message goes like this. Task for Ben. Please read the following as Kevin Uck's bridge. Rishan, baby. I am a man of special conscience. Now is Jesse Ventura. Oh, fuck. Okay, wait.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Rishan, I am the body. I'm a man of special conscience. What my theory presupposes is that Ben, Kevin and Jesse are actually the same person. Sounds great. I don't know, I feel like those were pretty distinct. Yeah. Like if Chris were to ask for a rulf and many Jesse the body ventured, impression, then maybe I would agree, but no, those sound distinct to me.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Hmm, a plan. Nice attitude in piano. Now do rulf sing, I don't have time to bleed. I don't have time to bleed. Oh yeah, they both sound identical. Interesting theory, Chris. I love playing a song about the Builderburger group on an out of tune piano. If you have a special occasion to celebrate, or a theory to float, or an impression to Pimp, you can take a note of a maximum fun-dotorg slash, Jumbo Tron, where your P1s will be read
Starting point is 01:03:18 by me and Ben, and they're a great way to support all the work we do here at Oxbridge, Shimoda. Hey Adam. It's that Ben. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Janeway for choosing hallows before bros. Yeah. Yeah. That was maybe the easiest Shimoda I've ever had to choose. What are you doing?
Starting point is 01:03:45 What are you doing, Janeway? What the hell was I thinking? Bad Janeway season. I could not fucking believe it, man. She should have been relieved of duty at that point. Like the second the doctor was in the grip of the hollow rabble, like Janeway should have just resigned right then in there, like our only physician.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Yeah. Yeah, she's my charmoda as well. Absolutely. Barkers. It's wild. Well, let me tell you a little something about the next episode of the show Adam. It's season six, episode 18. Ashish, ashish.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Which is not a reference to something that happens at the end of Requiem for Dream. Ash, to ash. Ash, to ash. Claiming to be a long dead crew member, an alien request to silence a Voyager. Ben, I've gone over to the game of buttholes The will of the caretaker to check on the progress of our runabout currently It pulsates on square 79 Nice nice
Starting point is 01:04:57 Three squares ahead caught in the nebula the no-notes episode wow. It's the only thing in range You're required to learn as you play... role. But, uh, as we've said before, everything is in range on this buggy, buggy game. Ha ha ha. Here comes the role. Ben ever rolled a four, it's hopped us over
Starting point is 01:05:19 the card in the nebula no notes episode. We're having notes. Shula! Did I win? Harvey. Oh, right! I love notes! Because it'sbula No Notes episode. We're having notes. Shula! Did I win? Harvey. Oh, right. I love notes. Is it a regular old episode?
Starting point is 01:05:29 Yeah! Woo! Why? Why? Why? Why? We are. Second row from the top, man.
Starting point is 01:05:38 It's been such a long time since we've been up here. I know. My ears just popped. We have a way of sliding. We do. or bugging our way to other parts of the board So we might just have a chance at a more enamored episode in the coming weeks, but for now wow ROE Regular old episode. Yeah. Yeah can't wait. Let's do a little bit of housekeeping here at the end of the show Adam. First out with the old you're fired. Oh! The day before we leave for tour.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Yeah, yeah, I just got to kind of fresh. All of our travels non-refundable! It's gonna be fine for me. Damn. Now, all I need to say is little credits here at the end of the show. The people we need to think most of all, the people who make this possible by supporting the show at MaximumFundOutdoor.org slash join the members, the true friends of DeSoto, who give us a little bit of money each month to keep this thing going.
Starting point is 01:06:41 It should be said that the supporters of the show not only keep us going week to week and month to month. They also make tours possible. Tours are very expensive. Yeah, and you don't know if you're going to make your money back, so it feels like a huge risk every time. And we really, really appreciate it. We also tremendously appreciate the folks who leave nice reviews on Apple podcast or whatever the podcast app is that they use or
Starting point is 01:07:09 Talk about what they like about the show online, you know, just spread in the word helps a ton as well Yeah, boost us in the algorithm is the point. Yeah, gotta thank Wendy pretty the producer and editor of this fine program I think Wendy Pretty, the producer and editor of this fine program, Wendy Pretty is great watching the shop while we're on the road. Yeah. I can show these episodes get to you on time every time. We're gonna get back to our studios and the saucer will be separated from the StarDrive section. We'll not know how or why that happens. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:43 She'll show us some previously on so that we can kind of catch ourselves up. Right. Gotta thank Bill Tilly, the card daddy who runs the socials at greatest trek all over the internet. Gotta thank Adam Ragusia, who made the original Janeway song, the theme music of this show, and dark material who made the original song. Gotta thank Ripley the Wheaton Terrier, who's up there giving Adam kisses right now on camera. Oh, first time on Mike is Ripley Ripley. You can't hear me right now but I love you. You know if you're out there on social media, use the hashtag gravestrick, follow at gravestrick, join the discord
Starting point is 01:08:27 druchmutter.com, add something to the wiki and greatestgen.fandom.com. Oh yeah, that wiki's great. I read it, some, join one of the Facebook groups, great groups of people all over the place. Podchap.biz, where you get your merch for the show. Yeah, greatestgen tour.com, where you get your tickets to the tour or get key merch for the show. Yeah, greatestgen tour.com's where you get your tickets to the tour or get key ones for the tour.
Starting point is 01:08:48 And we hope to see you at one of our shows in the coming weeks and months. Looking forward to that? Yeah, all right. With that, we will be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager. And an episode of the greatest generation Voyager where Adam claims to be a previous host of
Starting point is 01:09:08 this show and would like asylum aboard. We're really at the point of the show where you know what the stories are about and I do not. I don't remember this one at all. I love you! You're a bad dog. Ha ha ha. Oh she knows.

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